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| [00:00:13] | sphery: | so you could change the mysql default and use 0.24-fixes |
| [00:00:26] | sphery: | (and after creating DB, change default back) |
| [00:00:40] | sphery: | or you could just use 0.25beta and it will specify the engine |
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| [00:00:49] | k-man: | sphery, so mythtv prefers myisam? i hear people griping that myisam is no good compared to innodb. whats with that complaint? |
| [00:01:03] | sphery: | mythtv is designed and tested against myisam |
| [00:01:14] | sphery: | and changes haven't been made to make it work better with innodb |
| [00:01:18] | k-man: | sphery, i'm asking because of questions on the shepherd list – just trying to understand better |
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| [00:01:47] | sphery: | innodb has some benefits, but is "unsupported" since it's not what we've designed/tested against |
| [00:01:49] | k-man: | i suspect i am running myisam as i installed mytthv quite some time ago |
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| [00:01:54] | k-man: | ah i see |
| [00:02:14] | sphery: | and since we will eventually change everyone's database to innodb--and, if you've been using innodb, that change might cause problems for you, potentially causing loss of history |
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| [00:02:57] | k-man: | ah so the long term goal is to move to innodb? |
| [00:03:08] | sphery: | likely you'll be able to salvage data, but doing so may take a lot of manual effort on your part |
| [00:03:13] | wagnerrp: | sphery: got a frys near you? |
| [00:03:22] | sphery: | so we still recommend myisam |
| [00:03:30] | k-man: | sphery, i see, thanks for explaining |
| [00:03:35] | sphery: | wagnerrp: no, but they ship... unless shipping is the problem with that |
| [00:03:49] | wagnerrp: | well, specifically they dont ship |
| [00:03:59] | sphery: | oh, these are in-store only? |
| [00:04:02] | wagnerrp: | in-store availability only on a $100 seagate 2TB |
| [00:04:06] | sphery: | ahhh |
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| [00:05:05] | sphery: | so, if I were to set up a write loop on the disk that failed, then get it to get bad sectors, again, would a refurb'ed drive from RMA be any more reliable than just using the 1.5TB that had bad sectors that have been "fixed"? |
| [00:05:10] | wagnerrp: | bunch of 'em like that, one as low as $90 |
| [00:05:33] | wagnerrp: | cheapest for shipping is $125 |
| [00:05:42] | sphery: | wow, big difference |
| [00:06:01] | sphery: | anyway, I still have some space... just worried since the end of season isn't yet here |
| [00:06:02] | k-man: | sphery, why would users who have switched to innodb experience loss of data when mythtv officially moves to innodb? |
| [00:06:03] | wagnerrp: | oh, $90 is for a recert WD green |
| [00:06:24] | wagnerrp: | k-man: because mythtv will make changes under the assumption youre currently using myisam |
| [00:06:29] | sphery: | k-man: because they're changing their schema to be different from the mythtv expected schema |
| [00:06:42] | wagnerrp: | and if youre not, there is the potential for bad things to happen |
| [00:06:47] | k-man: | i see |
| [00:06:59] | sphery: | and if you are, you may have switched it differently from how we do |
| [00:07:22] | k-man: | what is the estimated time frame for the move to innodb? |
| [00:07:42] | sphery: | well, it's not high priority |
| [00:07:58] | wagnerrp: | probably not until after the move to embedded database |
| [00:08:03] | sphery: | and may not occur until we embed mysql--mainly because different distros have different levels of support for innodb engine |
| [00:08:15] | k-man: | ok |
| [00:08:21] | wagnerrp: | sphery: speaking of which, when we do go embedded |
| [00:08:25] | sphery: | and because distros--nearly universally--misconfigure mysql such that you have terrible performance by default with innodb |
| [00:08:28] | jya: | k-man: If you have installed Qt in a particular place, and it's all under the same folder, use the -qtsdk option |
| [00:08:44] | wagnerrp: | would it be a good idea to set something up that compares the existing schema with the one mythtv expects |
| [00:08:50] | jya: | so if you build Qt and installed it using a prefix of say /opt/local |
| [00:08:50] | wagnerrp: | and faults out if there are differenced |
| [00:09:00] | wagnerrp: | before committing the final move to an internal database? |
| [00:09:01] | jya: | you do -qtsdk /opt/local |
| [00:09:10] | sphery: | k-man: i.e. innodb is a "real database storage engine" meaning it requires a bit more administration/configuration than the simpler-by-design MyISAM engine |
| [00:09:21] | k-man: | sphery, ok |
| [00:10:02] | sphery: | k-man: what, specifically, in the shepherd thread prompted these questions? |
| [00:10:26] | k-man: | jya, i'm trying the option to build from source right now. i managed to get your script to start building against my brew installed QT build, but it failed, i think because qt was built 32bit and your script requires 64 bit. then i tried to get brew to build qt with 64 bit support but that failed. |
| [00:10:49] | jya: | k-man: my script doesn't require anytihng |
| [00:10:58] | k-man: | sphery, oh some guy giving mythtv crap about how the devs won't move to innodb |
| [00:11:00] | jya: | if you want to build against 32 bits lib, you use the -m32 flag |
| [00:11:09] | wagnerrp: | sphery: heated tempers and subsequent denigrating remarks following news that we will actually follow through with years of claims of an embedded DB |
| [00:11:28] | k-man: | jya, ah, i didn't use the -m32 so taht might have been the issue. but either way, i do want a 64 bit build |
| [00:11:29] | jya: | k-man: you can build against Qt in 3 different ways |
| [00:11:43] | sphery: | k-man: ah, yeah, the problem is mainly that doing so would likely cause significant performance problems, now, and likely make users have to do some serious configuration/optimization of mysql over distro defaults |
| [00:11:48] | jya: | 1- qtsdk: where Qt was installed in one place only |
| [00:12:25] | sphery: | k-man: so it's not that we won't go to it, just that we're doing it on a schedule to try to minimize problems/user effort |
| [00:12:28] | jya: | 2- qtbin and qtplugin ; if the various qt bits have been exploded in various places, that's how the pre-compiled Qt libs from the Qt webiste are packaged |
| [00:12:36] | jya: | 3- qtsrc <version> |
| [00:12:47] | k-man: | sphery, i think the brew build of QT doesn't make it obvious that it builds 32 bit out of the box, and you need to specify a "universal" option to build 64 bit – and when itried that it failed to build |
| [00:12:52] | jya: | qtsrc will build Qt from source completely.. you tell it which version you want |
| [00:13:00] | jya: | so if you want to build against Qt 4.8.0 |
| [00:13:01] | jya: | you do: |
| [00:13:07] | jya: | -qtsrc 4.8.0 |
| [00:13:08] | k-man: | sphery, ok i'm trying to compose an email back to the list to explain these things |
| [00:13:25] | wagnerrp: | k-man: want jya or i to do so? |
| [00:13:27] | k-man: | sphery, belive it or not, i'd like to see shepherd users and mythtv devs get along in harmony |
| [00:14:03] | k-man: | wagnerrp, of if you feel so inclined? i already composed half of it but its my interpretation of what you guys are explaining to me |
| [00:15:14] | k-man: | and if you don't mind me saying, i do belive that Max is keen to make shepherd work well with mythtv – i think he just doesn't follow the ins and outs of myth development very closely and so ends up coding thigns in a way that might not be the best, but solves a problem at the time |
| [00:16:03] | wagnerrp: | looks like this Jake Anderson who actually brought up innodb in the first place seems to know what hes talking about |
| [00:17:38] | k-man: | here is my responce i can post if you think its correct: http://pastie.org/3581781 |
| [00:17:46] | k-man: | or fills in the details |
| [00:18:32] | wagnerrp: | looks good enough |
| [00:18:59] | k-man: | jya, yeah, i'm now doing that option – my computer is old and slow so it'll probably take 5–6 hours to build qt :)\ |
| [00:19:05] | k-man: | wagnerrp, ok |
| [00:19:19] | jya: | k-man: I wouldn't bother building Qt to be honnest |
| [00:19:27] | k-man: | jya, oh? |
| [00:19:33] | jya: | only time it's required is to build against an old version of mythtv |
| [00:19:51] | k-man: | oh ok – but where do i get the bins from then? |
| [00:19:59] | jya: | if you're building master or the jyavenard/backports/fixes/0.24 branch, you can build against the lib you download from Qt |
| [00:20:28] | jya: | http://qt.nokia.com/downloads/qt-for-open-sou . . . -on-mac-os-x |
| [00:22:28] | k-man: | jya, ok, i'll try that, thanks |
| [00:22:49] | jya: | k-man: are you trying to build 0.25 or 0.24 ? |
| [00:22:51] | wagnerrp: | sphery: you know, we have fallthrough for video scanning, but still no artwork support |
| [00:23:04] | k-man: | jya, .25 |
| [00:23:35] | jya: | ok |
| [00:23:44] | jya: | I've built the packages already |
| [00:23:54] | jya: | not sure what building them yourself adds |
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| [00:24:42] | wagnerrp: | it lets you add use flags to compile for the completely wrong package! |
| [00:24:49] | wagnerrp: | s/package/architecture |
| [00:25:04] | k-man: | jya, err.. good point – i don't know i got so stuck on building this bloody thing i couldn't think of any other option ;) |
| [00:25:41] | jya: | k-man: my build on my website are universal 32/64 bits |
| [00:25:53] | jya: | build against Qt 4.7 |
| [00:26:14] | jya: | I've noticed some bugs where you're stuck in a menu (ESC doesn't do anything) |
| [00:26:17] | k-man: | jya, also, on a quick side note, i noticed that the "Verbose" sub is always called with &Verbose wich is an ancient way of calling functions – the & can be removed if you care to |
| [00:26:40] | k-man: | jya, yes, that was an issue i kept getting when i was making my brew builds! |
| [00:26:42] | jya: | it works bettwer in 4.8, but Qt doesn't provide universal libs for Qt 4.8: they only provide 64 bits libs |
| [00:26:45] | k-man: | jya, i'm so glad you got it too |
| [00:27:11] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, I was going to ask you what else we need to finish for that |
| [00:27:11] | jya: | That seems to be related to the version of Qt you are using |
| [00:27:21] | jya: | but seeing how buggy Qt is just to even compile it |
| [00:27:32] | jya: | I wouldn't be surprised if there were plenty of other bugs too |
| [00:27:38] | k-man: | hehe |
| [00:27:44] | wagnerrp: | well the scanning is done |
| [00:27:46] | k-man: | how do diagnose and debug it though? |
| [00:27:57] | wagnerrp: | and i _think_ artwork will fall through if you try to read it |
| [00:28:01] | jya: | k-man: I know nothing about perl, all call tu functions where with a & |
| [00:28:06] | wagnerrp: | i think were just missing the remote write |
| [00:28:06] | jya: | and perl doc said to use & |
| [00:28:11] | jya: | so I used & |
| [00:28:49] | k-man: | jya, thats very old advice |
| [00:29:09] | wagnerrp: | if not, fallthrough reads only dont work because of some flag set somewhere to intentionally disable fallthrough |
| [00:29:17] | k-man: | jya, https://www.socialtext.net/perl5/subroutines_ . . . he_ampersand |
| [00:29:37] | TheAsp: | So... Good news: 0.25 seems to support MPEG4 over firewire without my patch... Bad news: 0.25 is giving me many empty files |
| [00:29:57] | TheAsp: | WAF-- |
| [00:30:24] | k-man: | jya, i think its essentially a cosmetic change, but it might be a good time to try it out? |
| [00:30:52] | jya: | k-man: why? if the old way works, it most certainly is going to be more compatible than the new way |
| [00:31:18] | jya: | I read that on the perl web site |
| [00:31:21] | jya: | let me find i |
| [00:31:52] | k-man: | jya, read the "why its bad now" bit |
| [00:32:02] | TheAsp: | k-man, & can be removed if you have ()'s |
| [00:32:07] | TheAsp: | someFunc(); |
| [00:32:15] | TheAsp: | &someFunc |
| [00:32:15] | TheAsp: | ; |
| [00:32:33] | TheAsp: | oh |
| [00:32:34] | TheAsp: | you know that |
| [00:32:35] | TheAsp: | nm |
| [00:33:21] | TheAsp: | I missed :) |
| [00:34:55] | jya: | k-man: not from perl web site, as such, rank lower in my "why should I bother" list |
| [00:35:13] | jya: | this is the most perl I've done in years… I'm not going to change today :) |
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| [00:54:32] | k-man: | jya, ok |
| [01:01:51] | k-man: | jya, so if i want to build against the binary install of qt, where would the plugins be located? |
| [01:02:06] | jya: | -man |
| [01:02:56] | jya: | it's all in the doc |
| [01:03:12] | k-man: | ah thanks |
| [01:04:37] | k-man: | hmm |
| [01:05:12] | k-man: | http://pastie.org/3582016 |
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| [01:07:28] | k-man: | should -disctclean require: "You must define a valid Qt SDK path with -qtsdk <path> or -qtbin <path> *and* -qtplugins <path>"? |
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| [01:10:21] | k-man: | even if i specify the qtbin and qtplugin paths for distclean, i still get the error about it not being able to use the x86_64 |
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| [01:22:41] | jya: | k-man: do you have xcode installed ? |
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| [01:23:22] | jya: | I'm guessing you do, otherwise you wouldn't even get there |
| [01:23:47] | jya: | when have you done a git pull on the packaging repo last ? |
| [01:23:58] | k-man: | jya, a few minutes ago |
| [01:24:53] | jya: | edit the osx-packager-qtsdk.pl script |
| [01:25:06] | k-man: | xcode 4.3.1 installed |
| [01:25:31] | jya: | and replace |
| [01:25:32] | jya: | my $result = &Syscall("/usr/bin/make -C $dir -f $make $name 2>/dev/null >/dev/null"); |
| [01:25:36] | jya: | with: |
| [01:25:46] | jya: | my $result = &Syscall("/usr/bin/make -C $dir -f $make $name"); # 2>/dev/null >/dev/null"); |
| [01:26:06] | jya: | line 695, same line 693 |
| [01:26:24] | jya: | and then run the script with -verbose |
| [01:26:50] | jya: | let see why Qt doesn't build our code |
| [01:28:31] | k-man: | i didn't follow, is there 2 lines i need to change? |
| [01:28:47] | jya: | yes |
| [01:29:02] | jya: | by default it redirects all error and standard output to /dev/null |
| [01:29:09] | jya: | so you can't see what the actual error is |
| [01:29:28] | k-man: | oh i see what you mean |
| [01:29:29] | jya: | so just remove the 2>/dev/null >/dev/null |
| [01:29:48] | jya: | which Qt did you use? |
| [01:30:00] | jya: | 4.8.0 from Qt downloads? |
| [01:30:31] | k-man: | yes |
| [01:30:32] | jya: | going to change it so the > /dev/null isn't added when running with -verbose |
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| [01:32:23] | k-man: | is it possible my notebooks is running in 32bit mode? anyway here is the error: http://pastie.org/3582142 |
| [01:33:00] | k-man: | no its 64 bit i'm sure of it |
| [01:33:09] | jya: | you're running lion? |
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| [01:33:17] | k-man: | Darwin woodhouse.local 11.3.0 Darwin Kernel Version 11.3.0: Thu Jan 12 18:47:41 PST 2012; root:xnu-1699.24.23~1/RELEASE_X86_64 x86_64 |
| [01:33:20] | k-man: | yep |
| [01:33:55] | k-man: | could i have somehow installed a 32bit version of qt? |
| [01:34:15] | jya: | make: *** [test.o] Error 1 |
| [01:34:26] | jya: | you still have the Qt install in .osx-packager/build |
| [01:34:31] | jya: | which is build for 32 bits |
| [01:34:38] | k-man: | hmm |
| [01:34:49] | jya: | so delete all the Qt bit in .osx-packager/build |
| [01:35:10] | jya: | it's doing an include on: /Users/jason/build-test/packaging/OSX/build/.osx-packager/build/include/QtCore/q global.h:288:2 |
| [01:35:20] | k-man: | ah right |
| [01:35:21] | k-man: | thanks |
| [01:35:27] | jya: | so rm -rf .osx-packager/build/include/Qt* |
| [01:35:42] | jya: | rm -rf .osx-packager/build/lib/libQt* |
| [01:36:56] | k-man: | jya, ah that seems to have moved me forward, thanks |
| [01:37:14] | jya: | it's never really possible to compile any Qt app when ou have more than one version of Qt installed |
| [01:37:34] | jya: | and as we do a -I.osx-packager/build/include before anything else |
| [01:37:35] | danipolo: | Does anyone have a working mpg to mp4 configuration scripts that they could let me look at? |
| [01:37:45] | k-man: | jya, rigth |
| [01:37:48] | jya: | it takes precedence over the system Qt headers |
| [01:38:16] | danipolo: | I have read the wiki/readme for converting and tried using http://eternalvoid.net/tutorials/mythtv-autotranscode/ transcode scripts but I have failed both so far. |
| [01:39:22] | danipolo: | Part of the issue is i'm not sure my backend scripts are being run automatically. At least I don't see anything about it in /var/log/mythtv/backend.log (should it be there?) |
| [01:41:36] | kisak: | jya: not to give any pressure; have you had a moment to look into that JACK issue? |
| [01:42:47] | jya: | kisak: as far as I'm concerned, there are no issues. I've asked you to give me some details such as your jack config.. you haven't given me anything to work with. |
| [01:43:01] | kisak: | oh, how can I help? |
| [01:43:49] | jya: | well, you go back to our previous talk, and see the stuff I asked for… you obviously read it bcecause you were responding at the time (that it now displayed: can't connect to jack, which turned out to be a problem o your side) |
| [01:44:22] | kisak: | I determined that connection issue was unrelated |
| [01:44:34] | kisak: | and eliminated it |
| [01:45:30] | kisak: | I have a .jackdrc file which is a one liner "/usr/bin/jackd -r -dalsa -r48000 -p1024 -n2 -D -Chw:2 -Phw:2 -o8" |
| [01:45:57] | kisak: | hw:2 is the main analog out |
| [01:46:14] | jya: | as far as I can tell, there are two people in the world using jack, one being the author of the original jack code… so if you don't give me precise info on how to reproduce the problem, I won't be able to help |
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| [01:49:34] | danipolo: | jya do you use any re-encoding scripts? if so would it be possible for me to look at them? specially if you have one that uses handbreak. |
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| [01:50:31] | jya: | danipolo: if you check the mythtv-users mailing list |
| [01:50:49] | jya: | someone has posted a scripts that they are using to convert the file |
| [01:51:08] | jya: | no using handbreak however, it's using ffmpeg directly |
| [01:51:23] | jya: | but as handbreak is using ffmpeg, I don't think it matters much |
| [01:52:10] | danipolo: | I have tried to configure both the ffmpeg and handbreak :( as documented in wiki. Are scripts logged in backend.log? |
| [01:52:37] | jya: | danipolo: that script didn't run from the backend |
| [01:52:42] | jya: | they were started from the command line |
| [01:53:43] | danipolo: | I see. ok, ill look around some more |
| [01:54:09] | kisak: | I use qjackctl to fire up jack. jack is not running in realtime, sample rate of 48Khz output channels is forced to 8. I can set the audio device in mythfrontend to null, rescan, select JACK:, and I can not change away from stereo in the speaker configuration, mythfrontend -v audio outputs things like "2012-03–12 21:52:53.609907 I AOJack: Adding channels: 8" and "2012-03–12 21:52:53.611801 I Found JACK: (Use JACK default soun |
| [01:54:26] | kisak: | (the pipe is a newline) |
| [01:55:23] | kisak: | I am using jack 0.121.3 and mythtv 0.25 from 20120223 |
| [01:55:28] | jya: | kisak: using 0.24 or 0.25? |
| [01:55:43] | jya: | ah, you do have Adding channels |
| [01:55:57] | jya: | paste the output of mythfrontend -v audio |
| [01:56:11] | jya: | when you select the Scan Audio Devices |
| [01:57:04] | jya: | and you didn't have the problem a few weeks ago right? |
| [01:57:32] | kisak: | I didn't have the problem when I was running 0.25 from early january |
| [01:59:40] | jya: | that's what git bisect is supposed to do… if you want to speed up things |
| [01:59:55] | jya: | tell me which commit broke it (though I have a strong suspicion) |
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| [02:00:04] | kisak: | here's the output of mythtv-v audio after selecting NULL and rescan http://pastebin.com/KPrqSsGq |
| [02:00:35] | kisak: | my mistake, I ment to type mythfrontend -v audio |
| [02:00:54] | jya: | so it does show in the description that it supports 7.1 |
| [02:01:00] | jya: | but doesn't let you select it ?? |
| [02:01:37] | kisak: | that's correct, and when it sees the current setting of 7.1 it shows it in the speaker configuration as "8" |
| [02:01:52] | kisak: | before I select null |
| [02:01:56] | jya: | but right after doing a scan channel |
| [02:02:01] | jya: | you can't select 7.1 ? |
| [02:02:05] | kisak: | that's correct |
| [02:02:12] | jya: | i don't believe you :) |
| [02:06:08] | kisak: | I just got a screenshot |
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| [02:07:12] | jya: | well, please run git bisect because I can't think of a single change in the past few weeks that could explain that behaviour |
| [02:07:20] | kisak: | is it alright for me to private message you a link to that screenshot? |
| [02:07:40] | asanti: | hey does anyone know of a good long range remote that can sleep/wake my frontends in an attic |
| [02:07:42] | jya: | problem is that I can't replicate it in my test environment |
| [02:07:50] | jya: | my analog audio card doesn't support 8 channes |
| [02:08:58] | jya: | when you select NULL, can you select 5.1 and 7.1 ? |
| [02:09:23] | kisak: | yes, I can |
| [02:09:32] | jya: | then it makes no sense to me.. |
| [02:09:41] | jya: | send me a screen capture if you wish |
| [02:10:38] | jya: | but I can't explain why NULL would let you, and JACK wouldn't when both announce 8 channels |
| [02:11:47] | [R]: | wagnerrp: i thought you weren't going to reply to that thread about the filesize anymore |
| [02:12:11] | wagnerrp: | i know, and apparently my computer knows whats best for me |
| [02:12:20] | wagnerrp: | its not allowing me to send any more emails to the -users list |
| [02:12:27] | wagnerrp: | try as i might, they just never show up |
| [02:12:40] | [R]: | lol |
| [02:15:01] | sphery: | wagnerrp: nor to me... |
| [02:15:25] | ** sphery wonders if that could mean that the -users list is all in his mind ** | |
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| [02:35:12] | kormoc: | Is github freaking out for anyone else? |
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| [02:35:59] | kormoc: | ahh, status page loaded. It's dead Jim |
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| [02:36:53] | kormoc: | or not. it's all Green now |
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| [02:39:21] | Jules: | hello? |
| [02:40:16] | Jules: | I have an interesting query. is it possible to run myth on a pc that has a PCIe SSD. for example, a Fusion IO or a OCZ Revo drive? |
| [02:40:32] | [R]: | Jules: no, it'll maek it explode |
| [02:40:33] | kormoc: | There's no reason why it wouldn't work |
| [02:40:38] | sphery: | kormoc: seems to be working for me... pushed a couple of commits and web pages all work |
| [02:40:43] | kormoc: | other then the absolute waste of money |
| [02:40:55] | kormoc: | sphery, yeah, it's back now. I guess it was a bad server I was routed to |
| [02:41:09] | sphery: | ahh, glad you got re-routed, then |
| [02:41:42] | kormoc: | Jules, so why do you need a 10k+ drive for a pvr? |
| [02:42:09] | jya: | kormoc: I'd be glad to use one of the revo card; I can't add an extra disk on my machine as all the SATA ports are in use... |
| [02:42:17] | Jules: | well, if I have loads and loads of money, I'd do it for speed |
| [02:43:01] | kormoc: | you won't make use of it. You currently need to run multiple mysql instances on a single card to make full use of it and myth will only use one |
| [02:43:11] | Jules: | how ever, if there's little performace gain over a traditional SSD, then I'd stick with that |
| [02:43:13] | kormoc: | and recording is very very slow compared to what that card could do |
| [02:43:48] | kormoc: | jya, the Revos are 1k+ per card, it's still not something I'd consider cheap |
| [02:44:07] | jya: | nah, I got a Revo card for like $400 for the smallest one at work |
| [02:44:20] | jya: | actually, hoping to steal it next time I drop by the office |
| [02:44:33] | jya: | it was used for ZFS cache, but that box is unused now |
| [02:44:44] | kormoc: | hrm. They must be dropping the price. I remember when we specced them out, they were 1k entry level |
| [02:45:23] | kormoc: | Amazon has the 120 gig one for $400, that's not bad |
| [02:46:40] | wagnerrp: | arent the revos MLC? |
| [02:46:41] | Jules: | realistically, Im looking at alternatives to have having rotating drives, and I thought that having an PCIe SSD would kick it in to full speed-ass-hauling deal, but I was not aware of the recording speed being slow from what kormoc said |
| [02:46:49] | jya: | wagnerrp: they are |
| [02:47:15] | jya: | they were like 580MB/s read / write rated |
| [02:47:15] | wagnerrp: | meaning rather low write count, and potentially a bad option for a L2ARC? |
| [02:47:30] | kormoc: | Jules, Sata ssds are going to be cheaper and pretty much just as fast for a single database |
| [02:47:39] | jya: | wagnerrp: for the ZFS cache, I only watned to troubleshoot a particular problem |
| [02:47:47] | jya: | it was never meant to be use long term |
| [02:47:51] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [02:48:15] | jya: | the ZFS box was used as a share drive by the electronic engineer folks |
| [02:48:34] | jya: | they write their documents on a share drive, and the file is being shared by multiple people |
| [02:48:48] | Jules: | would I benefit from a SSD RAID, for example, 4 120GB in a RAID 1 |
| [02:48:49] | wagnerrp: | Jules: the HD recordings you are likely to perform are going to be on the order of 2MB/s |
| [02:48:59] | kormoc: | Jules, no |
| [02:49:00] | jya: | even on gigabit ethernet, the best they could get was around 15MB/s write to the server |
| [02:49:10] | jya: | when my mac could maxout the gigabit port |
| [02:49:39] | wagnerrp: | jya: funky... i easily manage 60–80MBps to my zfs array |
| [02:49:56] | wagnerrp: | and thats over samba |
| [02:50:01] | jya: | from a windows 7 client ? |
| [02:50:04] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [02:50:16] | jya: | that was the main issue. the windows client had very poor write |
| [02:50:30] | jya: | I ended up just blaming the cad program they used |
| [02:50:34] | jya: | from the file explorer |
| [02:50:48] | jya: | they could copy their 100+MB file in about 1–2s |
| [02:51:04] | jya: | yet, when pressing save in the cad software, it would hang for 15s + |
| [02:51:11] | wagnerrp: | Jules: you would gain from sticking the database on a 2xSSD mirror |
| [02:51:21] | wagnerrp: | the SSDs provide speed, the mirror provides redundancy |
| [02:51:28] | wagnerrp: | but the advantage would only be related to the database |
| [02:51:33] | wagnerrp: | there is no sense using an SSD for recording |
| [02:51:38] | Jules: | interesting. |
| [02:52:41] | wagnerrp: | and there is no sense using more than 2 SSDs, since youre not doing enough reads to gain anything from additional read disks |
| [02:52:43] | Jules: | I mean, I assumed that I'd have some benifit considering, I've use a raid 10 in my old powermac g4 server |
| [02:52:53] | wagnerrp: | and multiple disks in a mirror serve no benefit for writes |
| [02:53:14] | wagnerrp: | you use raid10 currently for video storage in mythtv? |
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| [02:53:43] | Jules: | no I used a raid 10 in my personal mac server. |
| [02:53:58] | Jules: | (its an old dual 867 with leopard) |
| [02:54:40] | jya: | great… a 500+Watts machine that would probably be slower than a mac mini server |
| [02:54:45] | wagnerrp: | well if your application is designed to internally load balance between multiple disks, striped arrays are a detriment to performance |
| [02:54:55] | Jules: | I've been looking at bulding a MythTV server to host like 3 tvs |
| [02:54:58] | wagnerrp: | (mythtv is such an application) |
| [02:55:35] | Jules: | and having 3 small machines boot from a drive just big enough to hold the myth front end |
| [02:55:41] | wagnerrp: | independent disks with independent filesystems will always outstrip any RAID array if the application is designed for it |
| [02:56:02] | wagnerrp: | since your disks can independently seek |
| [02:56:16] | kormoc: | Jules, Frontends don't need any disks at all, network booting works well |
| [02:56:31] | Jules: | even better, kormoc, even better |
| [02:56:32] | Jules: | :) |
| [02:56:38] | kormoc: | Jules, have a loud, large backend server hidden away and quite boxes at the tv's |
| [02:56:49] | wagnerrp: | but even still, for most MythTV users' needs, a single recording drive is sufficient |
| [02:58:33] | Jules: | wagnerrp, how large of a hard drive is 'sufficent'.. in your opinion |
| [02:59:08] | wagnerrp: | me? ive got around 10TB worth of storage, nearly filled |
| [02:59:32] | wagnerrp: | im saying a single recording drive is sufficient in terms of performance |
| [02:59:51] | Jules: | oh! Ok, missunderstood what you ment |
| [03:00:10] | wagnerrp: | multiple drives will perform better, but independent drives are better than RAID arrays |
| [03:00:43] | jya: | wagnerrp: provided all you care about is speed.... |
| [03:00:55] | jya: | I do like the idea that one of my drive can die |
| [03:01:05] | wagnerrp: | and if you want redundancy, a bunch of independent RAID1s will do better than RAID10 |
| [03:01:15] | jya: | kisak: fix is in |
| [03:01:27] | jya: | wagnerrp: but RAID 5 means you only waste one disk :) |
| [03:01:49] | wagnerrp: | so better to use that as an archive |
| [03:01:49] | kisak: | how can I prevent the DB from being changed by the test build? |
| [03:02:03] | wagnerrp: | record elsewhere, clip your recordings, and move them into the primarily read-only archive |
| [03:02:19] | wagnerrp: | of course id rather waste 2–3 disks |
| [03:02:20] | jya: | kisak: the configure arguments I gave you earlier, wouldn't touch your dtabase ever |
| [03:02:29] | wagnerrp: | did RAID-Z3 make it into freebsd yet? |
| [03:03:14] | jya: | kisak: but provided you will have to upgrade sooner or later, why not do it today? |
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| [03:03:57] | kisak: | jya: I perfer to use the gentoo ebuilds |
| [03:04:36] | kisak: | there are 7 systems that have to move together, and that's the least hassle method |
| [03:04:40] | jya: | then if it's just to compile your test rig, just use the configure line I've provided to you in private |
| [03:04:57] | jya: | when did you last upgrade? |
| [03:05:08] | kisak: | 20120223 |
| [03:05:56] | wagnerrp: | gentoo users cant "upgrade" until the release |
| [03:06:13] | wagnerrp: | well thats not true |
| [03:06:20] | wagnerrp: | they can upgrade when we start doing RCs |
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| [03:16:14] | ertyu-m: | wagnerrp, freebsd 8.3 and 9.0 have raid-z3 |
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| [03:17:10] | kisak: | speaker configuration reads as 7.1, and mythtv is putting out 6 channel audio (from 6 channel content) like it's supposed to do |
| [03:17:31] | Jules: | thanks for the help, I appreciate it. Im mostly just wanted to build something cool, and I came across this a little while ago |
| [03:19:08] | jya: | kisak: the 7.1 you selected is really just a "max" value… myth knows it supports 6 channels, so it will play 6 channels audio as 6 channels. Otherwise it would upmix 6 channels audio as 7.1 (if you checked the default upmix) or downmix it to stereo |
| [03:19:32] | jya: | what does JACK add for you ? |
| [03:21:01] | kisak: | it allows me to pause a show in mythtv, and still be able to hear other content from my computer. my sound card can not me initialized as stereo and surround at the same time |
| [03:21:27] | jya: | pulse does all that out of the box |
| [03:21:39] | jya: | and so would alsa |
| [03:22:05] | jya: | it would be a one liner in alsa config too (set up a dmix alsa device) |
| [03:22:11] | jya: | actually |
| [03:22:18] | jya: | not even required with ALSA analog |
| [03:22:23] | jya: | a dmix is created by default |
| [03:22:45] | kisak: | and yet it fails to work in my setup |
| [03:23:05] | jya: | you must have missed a step |
| [03:23:26] | kisak: | overall, jack fixed more problems than it caused |
| [03:23:56] | jya: | it just seems to be a very complex solution for a simple problem |
| [03:24:11] | kisak: | and I have enough processing power not to care about brute force |
| [03:25:02] | jya: | it's not just about brute force |
| [03:25:13] | jya: | but also unecessary latency added |
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| [03:26:02] | jya: | anyhow.. if it works for you... |
| [03:26:58] | kisak: | I tried just about everything reasonable with my last main desktop to get an alsa-only solution to work with it's ALC850 and it never worked quite right |
| [03:27:32] | kisak: | so I decided to try pulse and jack with this new build |
| [03:28:08] | kisak: | I liked jack better than pulse, so it got my attention |
| [03:28:18] | jya: | the easiest I would think would be to set pulse, because it's the most common option out of the box these days |
| [03:28:26] | jya: | and set mythfrontend to use ALSA:pulse |
| [03:28:55] | jya: | you avoid all the issues of pulse, yet works through pulse |
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| [03:29:18] | jya: | ideally, I would need to copy what the alsa folks have done to get the stuff to work against pulse |
| [03:29:26] | jya: | but I can't be bothered |
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| [03:32:24] | kisak: | hmm ... pulse doesn't even show in the 20120223 build, but it's okay in trunk |
| [03:33:59] | wagnerrp: | isnt there a use flag for it? |
| [03:34:44] | kisak: | the only problem I have with pulse right now is that it can't detect that my alsa loopback device is 8 channels, not 2. that's not really a problem, since the only thing that goes through my pulse setup is desktop dings and whistles |
| [03:34:45] | jya: | kisak: was the 20120223 build compiled with pulse support? |
| [03:34:50] | kisak: | good call wagnerrp |
| [03:35:02] | u-haul: | Hey guys, is it ok to just ask a question? I've had a good search around for a solution, but I can't find anything. I'm probably just using the wrong search terms, but I can't think what else to try. |
| [03:36:11] | kisak: | jya: no it wasn't, while it's sketchy to have one audio middleware, three is insane |
| [03:36:47] | jya: | kisak: you need to set the number of channels in the pulse server config file |
| [03:37:00] | jya: | and make sure to change the default sampling rate from 44.1kHz to 48 |
| [03:39:11] | kisak: | jya: if I could kill pulse on my system, I would, but gnome3 respawns it |
| [03:40:49] | ertyu-m: | u-haul, yes, just ask, you may even receive an answer |
| [03:42:02] | u-haul: | Thanks ertyu-m. :) Just going to prepare myself so I have all the particulars for my install, then I'll fire it off. |
| [03:52:08] | k-man: | jya, i have another problem compiling on OSX: http://pastie.org/3582754 |
| [03:52:51] | jya: | k-man: there are no error there |
| [03:53:00] | jya: | run the script with -noparallel |
| [03:53:06] | jya: | you cut out too early |
| [03:53:37] | k-man: | ok |
| [03:54:45] | k-man: | hmm.. it seems to want to use distcc |
| [03:55:06] | jya: | distcc is installed by default in 10.6 |
| [03:55:15] | k-man: | oh is it? interesting |
| [03:55:28] | jya: | I would just do sudo mv /usr/bin/distcc /usr/bin/distcc.bak |
| [03:55:42] | k-man: | ok |
| [03:55:44] | wagnerrp: | or use the configure flag to disable it |
| [03:56:13] | jya: | wagnerrp: in the script, I don't set it |
| [03:56:26] | jya: | so renaming it is the easiest for the time being |
| [03:57:45] | wagnerrp: | 15 letters in a script, or 40 letters in a command |
| [03:58:06] | jya: | whatever |
| [03:58:23] | wagnerrp: | speaking of which, i should update the ebuilds tonight |
| [03:59:51] | u-haul: | Ok – here's my question. I'm using Mythbuntu 11.10 (running 3.0.0-15-generic) running MythTV v0.24.1-80-g1de0431. I'm having trouble with a couple of things, and I think both are codec related. Some TV channels in Australia are showing up with pink and green lines through them. I'm not sure if it's all the time or depending on what content is being shown. The other problem I'm having |
| [03:59:51] | u-haul: | is with h.264 files. They don't seem to be decoded particularly well. There are a lot of artifacts in the videos. I don't know if others are having the same problem with this format. Is there a way of knowing which codecs are installed, updating them, and if that doesn't fix the problem, replacing them with something else? Please let me know if you need any more information. |
| [04:00:19] | jya: | u-haul: ATI video card I presume? |
| [04:00:44] | u-haul: | jya: Nope...running nVidia. Sorry – I should have said. |
| [04:00:57] | wagnerrp: | nvidia or nouveau drivers? |
| [04:01:21] | jya: | when you say "lines" do you mean pixelated area or a straight line? |
| [04:01:29] | u-haul: | I think I'm running nVidia drivers – is there an easy way to check over ssh? I don't have access to the frontend at the moment? |
| [04:01:40] | u-haul: | Straight, pink lines. |
| [04:01:45] | wagnerrp: | lsmod |
| [04:02:06] | wagnerrp: | if you see an 'nvidia' on the module list |
| [04:02:11] | wagnerrp: | thats the official driver module |
| [04:02:52] | u-haul: | Yeah – it's there. |
| [04:03:00] | wagnerrp: | what playback profile? |
| [04:03:16] | wagnerrp: | what video card? |
| [04:03:29] | u-haul: | It's a 8550, I believe. |
| [04:03:49] | u-haul: | Sorry – I'm a little vague about the details. |
| [04:04:02] | u-haul: | I will check the playback profile and see if adjusting makes any difference. |
| [04:04:26] | wagnerrp: | try using 'Slim' for now |
| [04:04:36] | u-haul: | Ok – will do. I'll see how that goes. |
| [04:04:58] | u-haul: | I will confirm and see if there are any VDPAU possibilities too. |
| [04:05:25] | wagnerrp: | that depends on what card you actually have |
| [04:05:29] | wagnerrp: | and there is no 8550 |
| [04:06:12] | u-haul: | Hmm...will confirm video card, too. |
| [04:06:43] | u-haul: | I thought it was a 8500 with a passive cooler. But will confirm. |
| [04:07:18] | wagnerrp: | could be an 8500 |
| [04:07:24] | wagnerrp: | that could manage VDPAU Normal |
| [04:07:50] | u-haul: | Thanks to jya, +wagnerrp for your help. :) I will collect some more information and let you know how I go. |
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| [04:33:52] | Technophil: | u-haul: If you can read your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file it may say what your video card is in there... |
| [04:34:10] | wagnerrp: | assuming there actually is one |
| [04:34:24] | wagnerrp: | i thought a lot of modern distros were doing without one |
| [04:34:31] | Technophil: | Yes, the word "may" was intended |
| [04:34:42] | jya: | on a mac, do we must have lirc support to get the apple tv remote working ? |
| [04:34:55] | u-haul: | It doesn't say, unfortunately. |
| [04:35:45] | u-haul: | Thanks Technophil. |
| [04:36:51] | Technophil: | Do you have vnc access? (As the nvidia GUI will also tell you) |
| [04:37:34] | ertyu-m: | dmesg or lspci should give you enough to identify it, shouldn't it? |
| [04:37:52] | jya: | u-haul: you will be able to read this in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| [04:38:18] | jya: | will show something like: |
| [04:38:18] | jya: | (II) NVIDIA dlloader X Driver 260.19.36 Tue Jan 18 16:57:32 PST 2011 |
| [04:38:19] | jya: | (II) NVIDIA Unified Driver for all Supported NVIDIA GPUs |
| [04:39:40] | Technophil: | dmesg and lspci fail for me and my box has an 8500 |
| [04:39:41] | u-haul: | 8500GT. |
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| [04:41:02] | Technophil: | Should do normal vdpau fine....upto 1080i / H264... |
| [04:45:20] | u-haul: | Great. :) Now that the family have stopped using it and gone to the pool I'm going to see what I can change now that I have a front-end to play with. |
| [04:45:26] | u-haul: | Thank you, everyone. |
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| [05:02:34] | u-haul: | I enabled vdpau and I'm getting an error "Failed to reinitialize video output" |
| [05:06:22] | u-haul: | I'll Google that one up first. |
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| [05:20:56] | u-haul: | Ok – nah. Can't see what's going on there. It works fine if I put it in "Slim", but I'd like to use the VDPAU modes if possible. |
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| [05:27:37] | Technophil: | What does the nvidia gui say, ie does it detail a zillion things and what driver does it report? |
| [05:39:58] | u-haul: | Ok – sorted out. I was using nVidia 173 drivers. CHanged to Current and all is swell. Thanks all again! |
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| [07:36:42] | AndyCap: | http://www.cepro.com/article/kaleidescape_dea . . . vie_servers/ |
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| [09:35:52] | strathegm: | Recently installed mythbuntu 11.10. Was running 9.04 before – had issues upgrading so decided to backup database and install fresh. |
| [09:36:16] | strathegm: | I had audio going through HDMI to my TV no problem. Now on fresh install I can't get any audio. |
| [09:37:50] | strathegm: | I've tried dmix hdmi, hdmi, hw hdmi, plughw hdmi – none of them work. |
| [09:37:58] | strathegm: | can't get anything using aplay either |
| [09:38:10] | strathegm: | I have a nvidia 750a chipset |
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| [11:02:31] | k-man: | jya, latest error: http://pastie.org/3584595 |
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| [11:26:20] | jya: | k-man: did you build the depednencies in 64 bits? |
| [11:27:01] | jya: | what does lipo -info .osx-packager/build/lib/mysql/libmysqlclient_r.dylib returns? |
| [11:27:40] | jya: | looks to me that some of your depedencies have been compiled in 32 bits mode |
| [11:27:56] | jya: | -m32 -L/Users/jason/build-test/packaging/OSX/build/.osx-packager/build/lib/mysql -lmysqlclient -lz -lm |
| [11:28:23] | jya: | definitely not something you would have seen normally… I don't use the -m32 switch, seems to come from an earlier build with the old packager |
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| [11:51:11] | kisak: | morning, I wake to find my mythfrontend in standby mode, showing a red box, and that the backend is idle. before I just kill it, what would I normally do to take the frontend out of standby mode? |
| [11:51:42] | jya: | depends on how you've configured ACPI |
| [11:52:05] | kisak: | (this is the trunk mythfrontend from last nights tests on the 20120223 backend) |
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| [11:53:34] | kisak: | the computer isn't in standby, the frontend just reads "MythTV is in standby" | <red box> Backend is idle" |
| [11:54:44] | kisak: | it's probably not significant and there's some keybinding that is missing to escape |
| [11:55:38] | kisak: | n/m ignore that whole bit, escape let me out |
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| [11:59:27] | kisak: | g'day to you jya, thank you again for the work you put towards mythtv |
| [12:01:55] | k-man: | jya, i didn't build any deps outside of the script explicitly – but i may have them installed at some point |
| [12:02:10] | jya: | k-man: what does lipo states? |
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| [12:02:20] | jya: | I'm willing to bet that it shows i386 |
| [12:02:41] | jya: | you had previous Qt build there, so obviously, you had run a previous compile there and didn't clean up |
| [12:02:48] | k-man: | yep, thats it |
| [12:03:52] | jya: | what does: ./.osx-packager/build/bin/mysql_config --libs |
| [12:03:53] | jya: | show? |
| [12:04:08] | jya: | if it contains -m32 ; then it wasn't build by my script |
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| [12:05:15] | jya: | well, I;m giving up on getting 0.24 to run using the Qt external framework… OpenGL video playback is broken in 0.24, only quartz/CoreVideo works.. And those are only available in 32 bits compile |
| [12:05:16] | k-man: | correct again |
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| [12:06:00] | jya: | k-man: I have compiled myth a thousand times on my mac for the past 2 weeks, staring at the screen for hours… I think I've seen all errors one can imagine :( |
| [12:06:03] | k-man: | jya, yeah not really much point getting .24 working given the impending releast of .25 |
| [12:06:35] | jya: | k-man: well, I like to get things working properly. you can build 0.24 with my script, but that means compile qt from source |
| [12:06:41] | k-man: | jya, can i delete the whole build directory or something to clean out all the old build stuff? |
| [12:06:55] | k-man: | without losing all the cached downloaded src files |
| [12:07:07] | jya: | on all the Qt packages I've tried, quartz (carbon) is disabled, and they are cocoa only |
| [12:07:22] | jya: | k-man: you can… however... |
| [12:07:34] | jya: | you will need to rebuild the other tool |
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| [12:08:17] | jya: | you can't delete everything in .osx-packager/src because I'm guessing you have your myth-git folder in there |
| [12:08:22] | jya: | here is what I do: |
| [12:08:40] | jya: | move .osx-packager/src/myth-git elsewhere |
| [12:08:43] | jya: | something like |
| [12:09:00] | jya: | mv .osx-packager/src/myth-git ./git |
| [12:09:13] | jya: | then go into .osx-packager |
| [12:09:17] | jya: | rm -rf build tmp |
| [12:09:19] | jya: | cd src |
| [12:09:30] | jya: | find . -type d -exec rm -rf {} \; -print |
| [12:09:38] | jya: | this will delete all folders in src |
| [12:09:52] | jya: | then either move back the myth-git folder |
| [12:09:54] | jya: | or do: |
| [12:10:17] | jya: | cd .osx-packager/src ; ln -s ~/wherever/you/moved/git myth-git |
| [12:10:26] | jya: | myth-git now becomes a link |
| [12:12:00] | k-man: | thanks jya |
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| [12:13:13] | k-man: | in .24, i need to set the audio sync to about -300ms, however it never sticks, its always 0 when i start watching a new recording |
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| [12:15:08] | jya: | k-man: in 0.25 , the audio sync is persistent |
| [12:15:23] | jya: | it's also persistent in my 0.24 branch |
| [12:15:27] | k-man: | jya, i was led to beleive it is supposed to be persistent in .24 |
| [12:15:41] | jya: | it isn't in vanilla 0.24 |
| [12:15:59] | k-man: | .24fixes (a week or so ago) is what im running |
| [12:18:45] | jya: | that doesn't change anything |
| [12:18:55] | jya: | as I said, persistent audio sync isn't in 0.24 |
| [12:19:00] | k-man: | ok |
| [12:19:02] | jya: | it is in my 0.23 backport |
| [12:19:05] | jya: | 0.24 |
| [12:19:53] | k-man: | interestingly its only in the last few months that i've needed to set an offset |
| [12:19:57] | k-man: | not quite sure what changed |
| [12:25:00] | jya: | if you're using fixes/0.24 |
| [12:25:03] | jya: | nothing have changed |
| [12:25:18] | jya: | haven't touched the coreaudio drivers in many months |
| [12:25:27] | jya: | in my backport however, it's a full rewrite |
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| [12:25:52] | TheAsp: | oh, it's persistant now? yuck |
| [12:26:05] | TheAsp: | i have one station that is off by 250ms |
| [12:26:09] | k-man: | well, its good for me |
| [12:26:10] | TheAsp: | others are all fine |
| [12:26:33] | k-man: | TheAsp, why is one station so off///? |
| [12:26:38] | TheAsp: | they suck ass |
| [12:26:45] | TheAsp: | they have corrupt dolby too |
| [12:26:59] | TheAsp: | rear right becomes center channel after commercials |
| [12:27:08] | TheAsp: | you have to stop and play again |
| [12:27:44] | jya: | TheAsp: is that using ALSA on linux ? |
| [12:27:51] | TheAsp: | pulse |
| [12:28:07] | jya: | I'd be interested in getting a sample of that video |
| [12:28:10] | TheAsp: | no passthrough |
| [12:28:18] | TheAsp: | next one, it's yours |
| [12:28:21] | jya: | TheAsp: try using the pulse ALSA device: ALSA:pulse |
| [12:28:25] | jya: | see how it works |
| [12:28:32] | TheAsp: | that used to fail horribly for me |
| [12:28:57] | TheAsp: | what problem do you think that will solve? sound channels getting messed up or audio sync? |
| [12:29:32] | TheAsp: | or the fact i cant remove this channel as they pre-empt the american broadcast so we get canadian ads ;) |
| [12:29:41] | jya: | both |
| [12:29:41] | TheAsp: | (obviously not the last one :) |
| [12:30:22] | TheAsp: | switching now |
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| [12:33:13] | TheAsp: | will let you know the next time i get something off that station |
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| [12:40:21] | k-man: | jya, so the persistent audio sync is in your .24 fixes branch? |
| [12:40:31] | k-man: | or your own rewrite of it? |
| [12:41:12] | jya: | what a silly question... |
| [12:41:29] | jya: | how many times do you want me to say it? |
| [12:41:43] | k-man: | sorry i must have misunderstood what you wrote |
| [12:42:29] | jya: | I've stated 3 times now (4 times including this one) that it's not in fixes/0.24 , but it;s in my 0.24 backport branch… |
| [12:42:39] | jya: | i don;t know how else to say it |
| [12:42:55] | k-man: | yes sorry – got it now |
| [12:43:59] | k-man: | do you make that branch public? |
| [12:44:09] | TheAsp: | grr |
| [12:44:13] | jya: | https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/tree/jyavena . . . fixes%2F0.24 |
| [12:44:14] | TheAsp: | frontend crashed |
| [12:44:42] | jya: | it's a branch on the mythtv git tree (for the time being).. it will probably be deleted once 0.25 is official |
| [12:44:51] | ** TheAsp waits for apport... ** | |
| [12:45:28] | jya: | k-man: beware that you can't build 0.24 in 64 bits or without compiling your own Qt source code |
| [12:45:52] | k-man: | jya, ok thanks |
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| [12:46:23] | jya: | e.g. you're going to wait a long time.. you should just get a build from the sourceforge website |
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| [13:00:16] | k-man: | jya, if i do give it a go, i'll be building it on my linux box, which is 32 bit as it happens |
| [13:00:35] | jya: | k-man: the issue I've mentioned are mac only |
| [13:00:58] | jya: | there's no problem with 64 bits build on linux |
| [13:01:07] | jya: | been running 64 bits linux for years |
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| [13:01:45] | k-man: | ah ok |
| [13:02:17] | k-man: | anyway i'm off to bed, night |
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| [13:28:03] | xavierh: | In the Program Guide, we can choose what channel group to display. Is there such a thing for live tv ? |
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| [14:17:35] | wagnerrp: | woo! i can send to -users again |
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| [14:44:43] | kisak: | the standby mode is supposed to dim the entire mythfrontend and give that MythTV is in standby message, right? |
| [14:45:48] | kisak: | seems like the dim effect is offset by one pixel right and down overtop of the window |
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| [14:58:37] | gratuit: | I am having a problem where anytime I try to change channels from liveTV, I get a "Error opening jump program file buffer" error when I try to change. This seems to be related to the channel it is starting, is there an easy way to make mythtv start on a different channel? |
| [14:58:55] | gratuit: | recording still works fine |
| [15:00:15] | jams: | gratuit- it's a known problem for some cards..which capture card are you using |
| [15:00:55] | gratuit: | hdr-1600 |
| [15:02:06] | gratuit: | it was working prior to yesterday, but I stopped on an SD station, and from googling, it seems that others had a similar issue though I have not found a resolution |
| [15:07:14] | gratuit: | is there a setting so live tv will always start on a specific channel? |
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| [15:08:24] | wagnerrp: | gratuit: youre using this with analog cable? |
| [15:08:41] | wagnerrp: | ive not heard of any such problems with digital tuners, only analog |
| [15:08:41] | gratuit: | no ota digital broadcast |
| [15:09:06] | wagnerrp: | is it possible the signal was too weak to tune? |
| [15:09:15] | wagnerrp: | are you otherwise capable of recording on that channel? |
| [15:10:08] | gratuit: | maybe, but now I can't change to ANY channel, yet recording still works fine on some of them, I have not tried recording the channel it is trying to tune on starting liveTV |
| [15:10:34] | wagnerrp: | now that one is an ongoing problem |
| [15:10:49] | wagnerrp: | mythfrontend is _supposed_ to stay responsive when trying to start livetv on an invalid channel |
| [15:10:54] | wagnerrp: | allowing you to change to another valid channel |
| [15:11:07] | wagnerrp: | but somehow that always manages to keep getting broken |
| [15:12:10] | gratuit: | ah, yeah I cannot record from the channel it is trying to tune, do you know of a way to change the cahnnel that will start when opening liveTV? |
| [15:12:33] | wagnerrp: | go into mythtv-setup, go into the input connection, and change the starting channel |
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| [15:15:54] | xavierh: | wagnerrp: Can we use channel group in livetv ? |
| [15:16:26] | wagnerrp: | dont know anything about channel groups, or much about livetv |
| [15:18:07] | xavierh: | Does any of the dev know anything about livetv ? :D |
| [15:23:03] | gratuit: | wagnerrp: that did the trick, thanks |
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| [16:39:53] | skd5aner: | ok – all the talk about --logfile and init scripts got me to look at mine for the first time in years... |
| [16:40:16] | skd5aner: | mine is runnign with: ARGS="-d --logfile /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log --pidfile $RUNDIR/$NAME.pid" |
| [16:40:33] | skd5aner: | so, do I just need to change that to --logpath /var/log/mythtv/ ? |
| [16:41:07] | skd5aner: | on a related note, I also need to eventually get some kind of log rotation going eventually |
| [16:42:20] | wagnerrp: | https://github.com/MythTV/packaging/blob/mast . . . ogcleanup.py |
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| [16:43:24] | skd5aner: | you just run that as a cronjob? |
| [16:43:52] | wagnerrp: | i should, but i just run it periodically as i feel the need at the moment |
| [16:44:17] | wagnerrp: | my log files are all compressed in real time, so theyre not taking up a whole lot of space anyway |
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| [17:32:15] | pyrodex_: | Is it correct to state that the packaging win32 script will build a git pull for Win32 on Linux using mingw32? |
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| [19:23:19] | sphery: | wagnerrp: ARMv5TE ... would that be our pogoplug guy? |
| [19:24:07] | wagnerrp: | i think the pogoplug is at least an ARM11 (ARMv6) |
| [19:25:30] | wagnerrp: | no, youre right |
| [19:25:40] | wagnerrp: | theyre using older ARM9 (v5) cores |
| [19:30:22] | wagnerrp: | sphery: interesting factoid, my RAID card runs an IOP333 |
| [19:30:32] | wagnerrp: | thats an 800MHz XScale chip |
| [19:30:40] | wagnerrp: | roughly 2/3 as fast as his mythtv backend |
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| [19:57:48] | coop2: | hey everyone, i just got my combined frontend/backend up and running with a hdhomerun prime + cablcard . Things appear to be set up correctly; i had to reduce my playback profile to 'slim' for live TV, things look OK… aside from HD |
| [19:57:59] | coop2: | both live TV and recordings become scrambled at times |
| [19:58:07] | coop2: | i uploaded an example to youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHQDkLRS3g0 |
| [19:58:15] | sphery: | wagnerrp: hehe, but I'm sure that a mythbackend has to do at least 1/3 more than just write data to disk |
| [19:58:33] | coop2: | I'm new to mythtv, but I'm a unix guy. how can I troubleshoot this? |
| [19:58:46] | wagnerrp: | sphery: well the card is designed to run critical RAID6 with only minimal performance loss |
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| [19:59:35] | wagnerrp: | coop2: cant tell where youre from due to your tunnel... what cable provider? |
| [19:59:49] | coop2: | SF Bay Area, CA — comcast |
| [20:00:04] | wagnerrp: | ah, so cablecard isnt an outright waste.. :) |
| [20:00:22] | coop2: | not entirely :) I was going to go OTA, but friends and family need their sports games... |
| [20:00:55] | wagnerrp: | what version of mythtv are you running? |
| [20:01:25] | wagnerrp: | those are errors caused by missing data |
| [20:01:35] | wagnerrp: | changing the playback profile wont make a difference |
| [20:01:38] | coop2: | v0.24.1-80-g1de0431 |
| [20:02:01] | wagnerrp: | hmm... |
| [20:02:06] | coop2: | the video was completely filled with pink lines with the standard playback profile, so i agree that this is different |
| [20:02:25] | coop2: | btw, this happens both in live TV and in the recordings |
| [20:02:40] | wagnerrp: | there were some recent changes in trunk that corrected for some corruption and missing data users were experiencing in 0.25 |
| [20:02:51] | wagnerrp: | but the code that was causing problems shouldnt have existed in 0.24 |
| [20:03:13] | coop2: | i took the lazy route and used mythbuntu 11.10 |
| [20:03:17] | coop2: | interesting |
| [20:04:01] | coop2: | also worth noting: video looks fine when i connect to the HDHR directly via VLC |
| [20:04:32] | wagnerrp: | yeah, it was an issue in the communication code for the HDHRs |
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| [20:13:06] | BLZbubba: | any Hauppauge HD PVR users here? trying to get lirc -> hdpvr -> IR blaster to work; getting "irsend: command failed" |
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| [20:16:50] | sphery: | coop2: while wagnerrp is correct that changing playback profile should /not/ affect the issue you're seeing, I would guess that it will |
| [20:17:04] | coop2: | hmm |
| [20:17:06] | wagnerrp: | well that depends |
| [20:17:06] | sphery: | coop2: that looks exactly like the issue I had when I enabled VDPAU decoding |
| [20:17:22] | sphery: | try switching to ffmpeg decode and vdpau rendering |
| [20:17:32] | sphery: | (assuming you have sufficiently-powerful CPU) |
| [20:17:35] | coop2: | i'm using an AMD processor with a built-in ATI chipset, so no VDPAU, right? (isn't that only for nvidia) |
| [20:17:41] | wagnerrp: | switching to a different playback profile wouldnt necessarily do it, but changed to a different video decoder would |
| [20:17:41] | sphery: | ah, ok |
| [20:17:45] | sphery: | so that's not what's going on then |
| [20:18:42] | sphery: | yeah, was thinking it might be vdpau decoder (which is rather, er, assuming in its desired input formats) |
| [20:20:18] | sphery: | so, that means it's probably like wagnerrp said... you're missing data in the stream |
| [20:20:25] | sphery: | does it do this for recordings and live tv? |
| [20:20:53] | sphery: | do you have mysql database data on a file system (ext3 or ext4, most likely) with barriers enabled? |
| [20:21:17] | sphery: | (can send output of mount command to http://www.pastebin.com/ ) |
| [20:27:46] | coop2: | sorry, didn't see the updates |
| [20:27:47] | coop2: | sure |
| [20:28:07] | coop2: | sphery: yes, it does it for both — recordings and livetv exhibit the same behavior |
| [20:28:37] | coop2: | http://pastebin.com/XNsfp6Bz |
| [20:29:01] | coop2: | i'm using an extremely fast SSD |
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| [20:32:35] | sphery: | coop2: so your db data is on which file system? I'm guessing / (=/dev/sda1), right? |
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| [20:32:47] | coop2: | yeah, ext4 |
| [20:33:08] | sphery: | if so, you definitely have barriers enabled--though, in theory, they shouldn't be a problem on a fast SSD |
| [20:33:17] | coop2: | this was my lazy 'get it working first' install — everything is in / |
| [20:33:54] | sphery: | which means we'd likely need to see backend logs showing it recording a file that displays the issue |
| [20:35:32] | coop2: | hdparm : 612 MB in 3.01 seconds = 203.57 MB/sec |
| [20:36:07] | wagnerrp: | sphery: why would someone be upgrading to 0.23 right now? |
| [20:37:00] | coop2: | hmmm… these don't look good: http://pastebin.com/3XjpEvfG |
| [20:37:34] | coop2: | i don't see any NIC errors, dropped packets, etc |
| [20:55:24] | k-man: | jya, http://pastie.org/3588535 |
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| [21:31:44] | kmcorbett: | coop2: I had similar problems (choppy video, dropped audio) with my HDHomeRun Prime. I had the same problems with a dual tuner using clear QAM. Upgrading to mythtv 0.25 did not help, though I'm glad I did the upgrade. Improving signal quality from the Comcast feed to HDHomeRun did help. I shortened the cable run (moved the HDHomeRun Prime and backend server) and removed a line off the splitter that was going to my TV. I still can't tune to one o |
| [21:32:10] | coop2: | interesting |
| [21:32:33] | coop2: | did you notice a difference in stats on the HDHR itself? i.e. in its web interface? |
| [21:32:59] | coop2: | i have it right next to my cable modem, which has great SNR |
| [21:35:17] | kmcorbett: | no I wasn't looking at the stats because VLC mostly worked. |
| [21:35:54] | sphery: | wagnerrp: because they dont' want to upgrade Ubuntu and 0.23 is the only version available for their ancient-buntu |
| [21:36:11] | coop2: | kmcorbett: what did video look like in VLC before you changed things around? |
| [21:36:14] | kmcorbett: | though the HDR web pages were useful when Comcast deactivated my CableCard :) |
| [21:36:28] | kmcorbett: | choppy but not as bad as mythtv live tv mode |
| [21:36:34] | sphery: | coop2: yeah, kmcorbett is most likely right--it looks like a signal issue |
| [21:36:45] | sphery: | should probably call the cable company and/or fix your "internal" wiring |
| [21:37:09] | coop2: | what's odd is that i just had them out here — they replaced all of my wiring last month (comcast business) |
| [21:37:29] | coop2: | they confirmed really good signal after running new lines from their stuff outside |
| [21:37:35] | coop2: | i'll try to move things around though |
| [21:37:53] | sphery: | in that case, might want to check your connections |
| [21:38:04] | kmcorbett: | check the connection into the HDHomeRun. i've managed to get that loose / crooked |
| [21:38:07] | sphery: | perhaps it's a loose cable--and that's why neutrinos go faster than the speed of light |
| [21:38:24] | kmcorbett: | (great minds, thinking alike) |
| [21:38:39] | sphery: | hehe |
| [21:38:52] | sphery: | btw, regarding neutrinos: http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2012/02/f . . . se-cable.ars |
| [21:38:53] | kmcorbett: | coop2: do you use a splitter? |
| [21:39:27] | sphery: | yeah, if so, make sure everything is properly terminated--and nothing is over-split |
| [21:39:31] | kmcorbett: | terminators |
| [21:39:32] | kmcorbett: | ha |
| [21:40:06] | coop2: | i have one splitter total — it's a 2-way splitter, and my cable modem is plugged into the other port |
| [21:40:17] | kmcorbett: | I'm actually getting better results with the old splitter Comcast left behind, rather than the fancy $$ powered one. |
| [21:40:19] | coop2: | and that one is working really well… getting a solid 50mbits |
| [21:40:25] | coop2: | let me unplug/replug real quick |
| [21:40:29] | kmcorbett: | ooh i'm jealous |
| [21:40:42] | kmcorbett: | my CC Business is capped around 23mbs |
| [21:42:12] | kmcorbett: | gotta run. good luck coop2 |
| [21:42:26] | coop2: | thanks! |
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| [21:45:59] | strathegm1: | Recently installed fresh copy of mythbuntu 11.10 – previously using 9.04 and had issues upgrading. I was routing my audio over HDMI just fine before. Now with the new install – I can't get any trace of sound. And it lists 3 or 4 different HDMI devices in Audio Configuration in the frontend. I can't get audio on my desktop either. |
| [21:46:15] | strathegm1: | aplay and speaker-test also give me nothing |
| [21:46:22] | TheAsp: | nvidia? |
| [21:46:24] | strathegm1: | I'm using a nvidia 750a chipset |
| [21:46:45] | TheAsp: | in my case my receiver/tv wasn't passing a valid EDID |
| [21:46:50] | TheAsp: | and that resulted in no sound |
| [21:46:57] | strathegm1: | I think that might be it |
| [21:47:06] | coop2: | i had the same problem |
| [21:47:11] | strathegm1: | nvidia control panel sees my TV as a hitachi – although it's a Hyundai |
| [21:47:12] | TheAsp: | i found an edid editor |
| [21:47:20] | TheAsp: | runs in windows |
| [21:47:22] | TheAsp: | let me edit it |
| [21:47:23] | strathegm1: | How do I do that? |
| [21:47:26] | TheAsp: | and i forced the use of that |
| [21:47:27] | coop2: | also in mythbuntu 11.10 — i had to unmute the output |
| [21:47:30] | TheAsp: | good luck ;) |
| [21:48:27] | strathegm1: | is it something that has to go into xorg.conf? |
| [21:48:47] | TheAsp: | you need a file for your edid |
| [21:48:58] | TheAsp: | and then you need to modify it to match your receiver |
| [21:49:07] | TheAsp: | or your tv |
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| [21:49:35] | strathegm1: | pheonix dseigner ring a bell? |
| [21:49:59] | TheAsp: | i think it was a .net app |
| [21:50:20] | TheAsp: | not phoenix |
| [21:51:52] | TheAsp: | i think it was called edid-editor |
| [21:52:41] | TheAsp: | Anyway, the url at the end of the nvidia readme points you to a site for help |
| [21:52:47] | TheAsp: | you can see if your edid is crap using that |
| [21:54:10] | TheAsp: | ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/gpu-hdmi-au . . . i-audio.html |
| [21:54:14] | TheAsp: | 12.5. Verify Your ELD Is Valid |
| [21:54:38] | coop2: | well that's embarrassing — swapped out the cable for a 3rd time, and, well, 3rd time's a charm ;) |
| [21:54:59] | coop2: | although i'm getting a small scan line while watching live TV |
| [21:55:02] | TheAsp: | coop2: welcome to computers :) |
| [21:55:34] | coop2: | murphy strikes again |
| [21:56:25] | strathegm1: | TheAsp: don't see anything that starts with eld in /proc/asound/card0/ but there is ID |
| [21:56:48] | strathegm1: | which just returns Nvidia |
| [21:57:58] | TheAsp: | card1? |
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| [22:38:08] | strathegm1: | card1 is CX88 |
| [22:38:32] | strathegm1: | CX8801 |
| [22:39:02] | strathegm1: | I believe that's part of my pcHDTV-5500 card. |
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| [23:25:40] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: you around? |
| [23:27:31] | wagnerrp: | just curious if youve done any playing around with a feature suggestion application |
| [23:28:18] | wagnerrp: | pair of entries on the wiki earlier today made me think about it |
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| [23:41:46] | sphery: | wish The_Ball would have come in here so we could mention that master backend needs tuners, too, and that if he has no capture cards in the machine he thinks should be the master, he should make the machine with the capture cards the master |
| [23:41:59] | wagnerrp: | heh |
| [23:42:13] | wagnerrp: | had one all typed out, and ended up giving up waiting |
| [23:42:19] | sphery: | yeah |
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| [23:44:57] | sphery: | 03.13 19:41:45 < sphery> wish The_Ball would have come in here so we could mention that master backend needs tuners, too, and that if he has no capture cards in the machine he thinks should be the master, he should make the machine with the capture cards the master |
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| [23:46:18] | sphery: | The_Ball: do you have capture cards in the machine you plan to make your master backend? |
| [23:48:59] | The_Ball: | sphery, I have a master backend with a tuner card, however I'm moving that server away from the antenna outlet, so I was planning to move the tuner card into another box where the TV is where there is another antenna outlet |
| [23:49:11] | The_Ball: | That would leave the master backend without any tuner cards |
| [23:49:24] | sphery: | why not just move the entire master backend system to the antenna outlet |
| [23:49:51] | The_Ball: | I wasn't planning to have the "TV machine" on 24/7 |
| [23:50:07] | The_Ball: | the 24/7 system is being moved to the shed |
| [23:50:14] | sphery: | or, if that's a machine primarily designed for frontend use (small, quiet, powerful vdpau-compatible video card, sufficient CPU for software decoding of video), just make the other box the master backend |
| [23:50:15] | The_Ball: | But there is no antenna there |
| [23:50:37] | sphery: | you can have the master backend shut down when not in use |
| [23:51:04] | sphery: | so it will only run when recording or when playing back recordings (which is the same amount of time you'd need the remote backend to run) |
| [23:51:25] | The_Ball: | Oh, really, so that doesn't orchestrate the recordings of the slave backends? |
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| [23:53:04] | sphery: | well, master backend decides which machine records, and can be set up to wake a remote machine using wake on LAN or whatever, but master backend doesn't need to run 24/7--only when you're actually using the MythTV system (for recording or playback) |
| [23:53:45] | sphery: | and if you record a show with a slave backend, you'll obviously need to run that slave backend when recording, but also (and less obviously) when watching shows that the slave backend recorded |
| [23:54:34] | The_Ball: | sphery, I was planning on using shared storage with nfs so all the recordings live on the storage-shed-server |
| [23:54:37] | sphery: | the only down side to shutting down master backend is that master backend needs to be running for mythweb, but you can easily set up a script on your web server to wake the master backend using wake on LAN, so you can use it with mythweb |
| [23:55:00] | sphery: | but the frontend still asks the recording host for the recording |
| [23:55:09] | sphery: | so if it's recorded on the slave, the frontend asks the slave for the recorded |
| [23:55:47] | The_Ball: | oh, hmmm, well I might just make the frontend box a "all-in-one" server for now until I can get an antenna on the shed roof |
| [23:56:19] | sphery: | anyway, making the system by the antenna connection a master backend and using ACPI wakeup (via mythshutdown) to allow it to shut itself down and wake up for the next recording automatically should do what you want |
| [23:56:45] | sphery: | and if you run the frontend on the master backend box, you'll want to look into mythwelcome, too |
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