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| [00:23:07] | bobc: | I'm trying to compile on windows using the .25 build script but I've run into an error building libdvdcss. Here is the config.log: http://pastebin.com/MX0jvcyA |
| [00:23:33] | bobc: | can anyone help out? |
| [00:25:09] | wagnerrp: | exit 77? well thats sure helpful! :) |
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| [00:27:02] | GrahamIRC: | evening all |
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| [00:27:14] | GrahamIRC: | so here's a question... |
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| [00:27:56] | GrahamIRC: | if I have a myth master backend with no capture devices (dummy ones only) what stores does it actually need access to? |
| [00:28:13] | GrahamIRC: | Music? Recordings? Video? EPG icons? |
| [00:28:35] | GrahamIRC: | it strikes me that it probably doesn't need access to any does it? |
| [00:28:50] | GrahamIRC: | just database access? |
| [00:29:13] | bobc: | wagnerrp: I'm wondering about line 89 gcc.exe: error: unrecognized option '-V' that appears to be where it goes bad with the next comment gcc.exe: fatal error: no input files |
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| [01:34:34] | ** wagnerrp wishes he had a knife for every time someone claims to be having hardware problems with mythtv, and then states theyre using a VM ** | |
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| [01:43:23] | GrahamIRC: | :-) |
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| [01:45:20] | GrahamIRC: | wagnerrp, I have a question that is related to VM's |
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| [01:45:41] | GrahamIRC: | if I have a myth master backend with no capture devices (dummy ones only) running as a VM what stores does it actually need access to? |
| [01:46:37] | wagnerrp: | anything you want that machine to transcode |
| [01:46:44] | wagnerrp: | plus mythweb needs file access if it is to stream |
| [01:46:56] | GrahamIRC: | Music? Recordings? Video? EPG icons? Cos it strikes me that it probably doesn't need access to any does it? Just database access? |
| [01:47:01] | wagnerrp: | plus the HLS stuff may need file access, not sure about that one |
| [01:47:05] | GrahamIRC: | ah mythweb, yes |
| [01:47:11] | GrahamIRC: | HLS? |
| [01:47:23] | wagnerrp: | http live streaming |
| [01:47:27] | GrahamIRC: | ok |
| [01:47:49] | Nasha: | Hello all, quick question: Can anyone tell me what script is called when the sleep-timer reaches 0 on MythFrontend? |
| [01:48:02] | GrahamIRC: | but without mythweb, just database? |
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| [01:48:43] | Nasha: | Database and any media i believe |
| [01:48:56] | wagnerrp: | Nasha: the only sleep timer in mythfrontend is to exit playback/livetv |
| [01:49:24] | Nasha: | Yes, i want to modify it so it turns my tv off :) |
| [01:50:03] | wagnerrp: | i do not believe that triggers anything |
| [01:50:24] | Nasha: | Damn, i thought it might be wishful thinking |
| [01:50:33] | wagnerrp: | feel free to look into the System Event mechanism |
| [01:50:44] | wagnerrp: | and have it fire off something when that explires |
| [01:51:03] | wagnerrp: | youre likely looking at no more than a couple lines |
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| [01:52:06] | Nasha: | By system event mechanism, do you mean the system event command editor in FE setup? |
| [01:52:29] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [01:52:39] | Nasha: | Theres no event in there for sleep |
| [01:52:47] | wagnerrp: | i know |
| [01:52:58] | wagnerrp: | im saying youre probably looking at a couple lines of code in the right place to add one |
| [01:53:12] | Nasha: | Gotchya! |
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| [01:53:50] | Nasha: | I shall continue on my search |
| [01:54:56] | Nasha: | While i have you... Could you think of any reason why, aftwer editiing ~/.mythtv/lircrc and rebooting, the changes arent recognised in myth? |
| [01:55:15] | wagnerrp: | whats the name of that option in the UI? |
| [01:55:50] | Nasha: | Im not following....? |
| [01:55:58] | wagnerrp: | the only two reasons ~/.mythtv/lircrc would be ignored is youre either not using lirc, and your remote is instead sending X events |
| [01:56:19] | wagnerrp: | or whatever starts mythfrontend is redirecting the config directory somewhere other than ~/.mythtv/ |
| [01:56:23] | wagnerrp: | the sleep thing |
| [01:56:24] | Nasha: | Both of which are not the cause. Its very odd |
| [01:56:28] | wagnerrp: | what is it specifically called |
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| [01:58:01] | GrahamIRC: | some remotes appear as HID devices (keyboard and mouse in the case of the speedlink I have), used to be the case that you needed a certain config to get them to play with lirc |
| [01:58:21] | NashaK: | Sorry about that, not sure what happened to my other nick |
| [01:58:39] | NashaK: | Ok, neither of wagners suggestions are the cause |
| [01:58:47] | NashaK: | Ive been using my remote fine for months |
| [01:58:59] | NashaK: | I decided to change a few things, and now the changes arent recognised. Its very odd |
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| [02:09:38] | wagnerrp: | NashaK: here we go... |
| [02:09:53] | wagnerrp: | https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . ay.cpp#L8435 |
| [02:09:54] | NashaK: | seems my remote issue is irexec related |
| [02:10:38] | wagnerrp: | in that function, add a gCoreContext->SendSystemEvent("SOME_STRING_OF_YOUR_CHOOSING") |
| [02:11:40] | NashaK: | manually start irexec and all commands work :/ |
| [02:11:56] | wagnerrp: | irexec makes mythtv IR work? |
| [02:12:00] | NashaK: | Very interesting wagnerrp |
| [02:12:02] | wagnerrp: | that makes absolutely zero sense |
| [02:12:17] | NashaK: | No, the commands that are failing call irexec |
| [02:12:43] | wagnerrp: | nothing calls irexec |
| [02:13:01] | NashaK: | My remote config does |
| [02:13:08] | wagnerrp: | irexec runs, and calls other executables on IR input |
| [02:13:24] | NashaK: | well yes, ok |
| [02:13:31] | wagnerrp: | do you mean irsend? |
| [02:13:42] | NashaK: | irsend works fine |
| [02:13:52] | NashaK: | irexec is not starting at boot, that is the issue |
| [02:14:21] | NashaK: | if i manually launch it, everything works as expected |
| [02:16:03] | NashaK: | Which is very odd.... Something in updates last night must have caused it to break |
| [02:16:26] | NashaK: | And its only a coincidence that i was playing with remote config today and it wasnt working |
| [02:17:47] | ** wagnerrp goes to the store ** | |
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| [02:48:39] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: so what kind of behavior would you expect out of a car with a nurburgring and an 'i am the stig' bumper sticker? |
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| [02:52:45] | Beirdo: | hehehe. |
| [02:53:34] | wagnerrp: | the turn light turns yellow, so he lets off the brake and starts costing forward |
| [02:53:47] | wagnerrp: | light turns red, hes almost in the intersection |
| [02:54:00] | wagnerrp: | our light turns green, and he gently caresses the gas pedal |
| [02:54:25] | wagnerrp: | he must have been afraid he was going to break the thing |
| [02:54:52] | wagnerrp: | ... so were through the intersection and about 10mph, he decides to upshift |
| [02:55:11] | wagnerrp: | clutch goes in... clutch stays in... clutch still stays in |
| [02:55:21] | [R]: | that's what she said? |
| [02:55:31] | wagnerrp: | at this point, im having to hit the brakes so my engine at idle doesnt cause me to rear end the guy |
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| [06:02:20] | bobnvic: | does anyone know if any windows binaries are available any where for .25-beta? |
| [06:02:58] | wagnerrp: | i saw someone mention one on the mailing list a few days back |
| [06:04:30] | bobnvic: | thanks, I saw that too, but when I tried running the mythfrontend.exe I got an error that a dll file with it was either corrupted or not a windows file. |
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| [06:05:02] | bobnvic: | there weren't any comments from anyone and even the person submitting it hadn't tried it. |
| [06:05:09] | [R]: | you should probably just get a real os |
| [06:05:32] | bobnvic: | R: worthless comment |
| [06:05:37] | [R]: | lol |
| [06:07:37] | wagnerrp: | worthless binaries if the guy who built them hasnt even tested them |
| [06:09:56] | bobnvic: | wagnerrp, I agree, but I can't find one anywhere else and I'm running into issues compiling it myself. |
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| [07:08:36] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: you still up? |
| [07:12:55] | Beirdo: | maybe :) |
| [07:13:15] | Beirdo: | whazzup? |
| [07:13:45] | wagnerrp: | im trying to whip together a script to split 2-episode recordings |
| [07:13:51] | wagnerrp: | like fox has been doing with alcatraz |
| [07:14:04] | wagnerrp: | im using the bookmark as a split point currently |
| [07:14:25] | wagnerrp: | but i intend to expand it with a new type of marker in the future, and do a full cutlist application in one shot |
| [07:14:34] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [07:14:34] | wagnerrp: | anyway... right now, im just having issues with mythtranscode |
| [07:14:43] | Beirdo: | there's a big surprise :) |
| [07:14:55] | Beirdo: | it's a royal PITA on a good day |
| [07:15:04] | Beirdo: | what's its damage today? |
| [07:15:05] | wagnerrp: | heres the command im running... http://pastebin.com/QgXHVUL2 |
| [07:15:32] | wagnerrp: | its reading the file, its eating up a small bit of CPU, it makes periodic logs to the logfile |
| [07:15:44] | wagnerrp: | everything _looks_ normal |
| [07:15:57] | wagnerrp: | its just not writing anything to --outfile, or anywhere else for that matter |
| [07:16:16] | Beirdo: | well, it won't until it gets past the area you said to cut out |
| [07:16:28] | wagnerrp: | i told it to invert that |
| [07:16:37] | wagnerrp: | which should mean i want that section, right? |
| [07:16:51] | Beirdo: | ummm, perhaps |
| [07:17:00] | wagnerrp: | oh, shit |
| [07:17:02] | Beirdo: | not sure if invert has ever been tested |
| [07:17:02] | wagnerrp: | i just fixed that |
| [07:17:06] | wagnerrp: | and im running an old version |
| [07:17:10] | Beirdo: | hahah |
| [07:17:10] | wagnerrp: | ..... |
| [07:17:13] | Beirdo: | ooops |
| [07:17:43] | Beirdo: | that's a wee bit embarrassing. |
| [07:17:57] | wagnerrp: | seriously... 1c2ce6a08 |
| [07:18:18] | Beirdo: | yeah, I remember seeing one about inverting the cuts |
| [07:18:28] | wagnerrp: | i was just skimming through the code for independent reasons, realized it was broken, so i fixed it |
| [07:18:35] | wagnerrp: | i completely blanked on that |
| [07:18:50] | Beirdo: | nice catch too |
| [07:19:02] | Beirdo: | and now you just proved it was borked :) |
| [07:20:09] | wagnerrp: | well thanks... detailing your stupid actions to someone else always seems to help you realize theyre stupid on your own |
| [07:20:37] | Beirdo: | hehehe |
| [07:20:51] | Beirdo: | it does seem to have that affect |
| [07:20:59] | wagnerrp: | i dont know why it is, but its invariably the case |
| [07:21:36] | Beirdo: | ugh. someone is being encouraged to put in a bug agains 0.24 mythtranscode mpeg2... |
| [07:21:42] | clever: | helps make you explain it in simple terms and think about it from another viewpoint |
| [07:21:46] | Beirdo: | that will be closed won't fix |
| [07:22:17] | Beirdo: | that whole chunk of code has been reworked, and unless someone ELSE wants to fix the bug..... |
| [07:23:50] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: its actually worse than you think |
| [07:24:02] | wagnerrp: | since the previous error would convert the boolean to a string, and parse that list |
| [07:24:07] | wagnerrp: | it would discard everything as being invalid |
| [07:24:17] | wagnerrp: | and cut out the segment from 0 to 999999999 |
| [07:24:25] | Beirdo: | gah! |
| [07:24:32] | Beirdo: | that's lame :) |
| [07:24:46] | wagnerrp: | it wasnt waiting until 221618 to start outputting |
| [07:24:52] | wagnerrp: | it was waiting until 999999999 |
| [07:24:59] | Beirdo: | heheh. wow |
| [07:25:25] | wagnerrp: | so that would be like... three months? |
| [07:25:48] | Beirdo: | be like that one dude that records every channel 24/7 |
| [07:26:20] | wagnerrp: | nah, its still going to be cutting at show markers |
| [07:30:40] | kenni: | wagnerrp: Thanks for the fix of #10426 :) |
| [07:31:07] | wagnerrp: | i forgot to close that didnt i... |
| [07:31:18] | wagnerrp: | yep |
| [07:31:39] | kenni: | I'm trying to figure out how the change in e1d3ac854 (the addition of some intelligence) gets triggered? |
| [07:32:30] | kenni: | should it print out the long help text for the failed option? |
| [07:32:48] | wagnerrp: | lets say you ran ... mythfilldatabase --with-some-gibberish |
| [07:32:57] | wagnerrp: | its supposed to print out the full generic help text |
| [07:33:18] | wagnerrp: | if instead you ran ... mythfilldatabase --help dd-grab-all --with-some-gibberish |
| [07:33:31] | wagnerrp: | it would still error, but it would print the detailed help for --dd-grab-all |
| [07:34:35] | kenni: | Hmm, that was what I though, but it doesn't do it here...hmm |
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| [07:35:19] | wagnerrp: | from the other direction, you run ... mythfilldatabase --file --ddfile <something> |
| [07:35:45] | wagnerrp: | it will error since those block each other |
| [07:35:54] | wagnerrp: | but now it will print the detailed help for the --file option |
| [07:36:01] | wagnerrp: | rather than the generic help printout |
| [07:36:09] | wagnerrp: | (or at least it did on my end in testing) |
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| [07:39:27] | Beirdo: | now I need to go to bed... and then later, find a good way of instrumenting keyPressEvent() methods |
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| [07:40:19] | Beirdo: | I want to see which one, and how long it took to decode... for all keyPress handlers |
| [07:42:33] | kenni: | wagnerrp: does this look right to you? http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ALf72jqN |
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| [07:44:41] | Beirdo: | anywho... night |
| [07:44:56] | wagnerrp: | whoops, wrong channel |
| [07:45:02] | wagnerrp: | kenni: see response in #mythtv |
| [07:45:42] | wagnerrp: | anyway, i dont know any way for the parser to realize the user wanted to apply 'xxx' to the --file option |
| [07:46:14] | wagnerrp: | since if it did, that would break the behavior of someone legitimately wanting to supply an argument after a boolean |
| [07:46:38] | [R]: | you just need to add the mindreader plugin |
| [07:46:57] | wagnerrp: | it would provide a more descriptive error in that situation, at the expense of breaking the parser in other situations |
| [07:48:44] | kenni: | ok, unfortunately I'll have to go now, I'll follow up tonight :) |
| [07:49:00] | wagnerrp: | kenni: for example, making that produce a meaningful error would break the use of ... mythavtest --windowed somefile.mpg |
| [07:49:08] | wagnerrp: | somefile.mpg wouldnt get cycled back through |
| [07:49:18] | wagnerrp: | and would instead report an error that --windowed did not accept arguments |
| [07:57:30] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: well its still not happy about something |
| [07:57:42] | wagnerrp: | i wonder if its having problems with that first cut being from 0–0 |
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| [08:56:59] | metaron: | morning – anyone able to help diagnose an h264 playback problem with 0.24.2? |
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| [12:22:25] | frankster: | suddenly this morning I'm not getting any sound with mythtv, could these log messages indicate the problem? |
| [12:22:28] | frankster: | 2012-03–11 11:30:20.445 ALSA, Error: no playback control PCM found on mixer device default |
| [12:22:31] | frankster: | 2012-03–11 11:30:20.445 ALSA, Error: Unable to open audio mixer. Volume control disabled |
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| [16:08:26] | ben1066: | how "expensive" is it to run just the scheduler to record then? |
| [16:09:37] | wagnerrp: | are you the C7 guy? |
| [16:09:45] | ben1066: | yea |
| [16:09:54] | ben1066: | its just what I had for free :P |
| [16:10:16] | wagnerrp: | the scheduler really isnt that "expensive" |
| [16:10:42] | ben1066: | Ram isnt a worry since I have 2gb, and from what ive read only 512 is needed |
| [16:10:47] | wagnerrp: | on my system, with a few dozen channels, several dozen rules, two weeks of guide data, and several thousand old recordings to run through for duplicate matching |
| [16:11:01] | wagnerrp: | scheduler runs only take some 2–3 seconds on average |
| [16:11:23] | ben1066: | well, i dont plan on having thousands....or a few dozen cahnnels |
| [16:11:23] | ben1066: | :p |
| [16:11:31] | ben1066: | Im in teh UK, most tv sucks |
| [16:11:41] | wagnerrp: | on the other hand, thats a 3.3GHz Phenom II, with several GB of DDR3 |
| [16:12:04] | ben1066: | Yea, Im trying..whatever I use, to keep it mostly passive |
| [16:12:07] | wagnerrp: | and likely 10–15x the single threaded performance of an old C7 |
| [16:12:25] | ben1066: | I think when I upgrade itll be a sandy bridge celeron dual core ht, 8gb ddr3 |
| [16:12:28] | wagnerrp: | 20–30 second scheduler runs arent a significant issue |
| [16:12:43] | wagnerrp: | they get to be a problem once they hit around a minute |
| [16:12:53] | ben1066: | so if yours is 10x the performance...then theoretically, I can do what you can :P |
| [16:12:59] | ben1066: | its just pushing it a bit |
| [16:13:07] | wagnerrp: | and with only a few channels to worry about, and no backlog of old recordings to match against, you shouldnt be in any trouble |
| [16:13:17] | ben1066: | cool :d |
| [16:13:20] | ben1066: | :D* |
| [16:13:28] | ben1066: | any reccomendation on usb tuner? |
| [16:13:48] | wagnerrp: | nope, i try to avoid anything USB |
| [16:13:59] | wagnerrp: | plus you were looking for DVB-something right? |
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| [16:14:07] | wagnerrp: | we use different standards on this side of the world |
| [16:14:16] | wagnerrp: | and the tuners are not interchangeable |
| [16:14:17] | ben1066: | yea, DVB-T or DVB-T2..although DVB-T2 only gives 4 extra HD channels... |
| [16:14:26] | ben1066: | And only 1 of those isnt a simulcast :P |
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| [16:15:09] | wagnerrp: | theres only like 1–2 DVB-T2 tuners currently usable in linux |
| [16:15:22] | ben1066: | the PCTV Nanostick t2 or something like that |
| [16:15:27] | ben1066: | it costs £45 :p |
| [16:15:46] | ben1066: | £55* |
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| [16:16:31] | ben1066: | i shouldnt have any issues using a plain splitter on my aerial since im in an area of strong signal? |
| [16:16:34] | wagnerrp: | anything supported on this wiki should work in mythtv... |
| [16:16:37] | wagnerrp: | !url tuners |
| [16:16:37] | MythLogBot: | tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information |
| [16:17:05] | wagnerrp: | thats something youll have to play by ear |
| [16:17:32] | wagnerrp: | PC tuners tend to be a bit more finicky about signal strength than ones you find in TVs and STBs |
| [16:17:56] | ben1066: | i recieve every channel at full strength, both dvbt and dvbt2 |
| [16:18:17] | ben1066: | full being what the tv tells me :p |
| [16:18:33] | wagnerrp: | right, which is more or less meaningless |
| [16:18:43] | ben1066: | also im pretty near the transmitter |
| [16:18:50] | ben1066: | within....eh 50 miles... |
| [16:19:23] | wagnerrp: | thats... not.. pretty near |
| [16:19:40] | wagnerrp: | thats out in the boonies |
| [16:19:56] | wagnerrp: | large direction receiver with amplifier territory |
| [16:20:31] | wagnerrp: | im about 5 miles from most of my transmitters |
| [16:20:55] | ben1066: | really |
| [16:21:04] | wagnerrp: | and remember, 10x the distance means 1/100th the power level |
| [16:21:34] | ben1066: | make that 25 miles |
| [16:22:03] | wagnerrp: | so only 1/60th he power level |
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| [16:23:22] | adam_: | for some reason when I put my computer to sleep and wake up it reates a new event handler for my remote and my defined keys no longer work on the remote |
| [16:23:56] | wagnerrp: | its cycling your USB controller, and reloading all the devices |
| [16:24:14] | adam_: | how do I go about fixing that |
| [16:24:26] | adam_: | ive been reading all day and cannot seem to find a solution |
| [16:24:26] | wagnerrp: | youll need to write up a UDEV rule to produce a static name for that device |
| [16:24:55] | wagnerrp: | something to specifically identify it, rather than a numbered event node |
| [16:24:59] | adam_: | oh ok |
| [16:25:05] | adam_: | il go look that up then |
| [16:25:06] | adam_: | thanks |
| [16:25:43] | wagnerrp: | adam_: your distro may actually have something set up for that purpose already |
| [16:25:59] | wagnerrp: | are there any folders in /dev/input? |
| [16:26:13] | wagnerrp: | perhaps 'by-path' or 'by-id'? |
| [16:26:34] | adam_: | there is by-path |
| [16:26:36] | adam_: | and events 0–7 |
| [16:26:43] | adam_: | or events 0–8 rather |
| [16:27:11] | wagnerrp: | the contents of by-path will be symlinks to those events for particular devices |
| [16:27:16] | wagnerrp: | based off their placement on the USB tree |
| [16:27:38] | adam_: | by-path containts two things |
| [16:27:48] | wagnerrp: | see which one corresponds to your IR receiver |
| [16:28:08] | wagnerrp: | standby a couple times, and see if that symlink name remains the same |
| [16:28:22] | wagnerrp: | if youre lucky, the USB tree should remain the same |
| [16:28:30] | wagnerrp: | in which case you point lircd at that symlink |
| [16:28:49] | wagnerrp: | and restart lircd when you come out of standby, to update it against the new target of that symlink |
| [16:30:16] | wagnerrp: | if not, let me know and i can dig through my rules to figure out what is producing this on my system... http://pastebin.com/LruV5mC2 |
| [16:31:06] | adam_: | having trouble getting the bluetooth remote to connect now |
| [16:31:08] | adam_: | for some reason |
| [16:31:14] | ben1066: | wagnerrp: if I have a 2.5ghz dual core ht celeron, am I gonna hit any limitations? |
| [16:31:32] | ben1066: | sandy bridge generation |
| [16:31:34] | wagnerrp: | they make celerons with hyperthreading? |
| [16:31:44] | ben1066: | they do indeed |
| [16:31:48] | wagnerrp: | i thought that was reserved for i5s and i7s |
| [16:31:53] | wagnerrp: | even the i3s dont do HT |
| [16:31:59] | ben1066: | http://www.dabs.com/products/intel-celeron-g5 . . . mb-7P81.html |
| [16:32:21] | ben1066: | Wait wrong one |
| [16:32:22] | ben1066: | :p |
| [16:33:07] | wagnerrp: | yeah, G530 doesnt do HT |
| [16:33:18] | ben1066: | I did see a pentium or celeron that did... |
| [16:33:21] | wagnerrp: | no matter, for most workloads, HT really doesnt help much |
| [16:33:44] | ben1066: | or it may have been the atom... |
| [16:33:52] | wagnerrp: | anyway, that would make a nice mythtv frontend/backend |
| [16:34:02] | ben1066: | Hmm, seems like a good plan then :p |
| [16:34:19] | wagnerrp: | capable of playing back just about anything besides perhaps the highest bitrate bluray content |
| [16:34:30] | ben1066: | what on the integrated graphics? |
| [16:34:42] | wagnerrp: | chances are that would choke somewhere around 30–35Mbps H264 |
| [16:34:55] | ben1066: | depending on the case and mobo I use |
| [16:35:01] | adam_: | wagnerrp it keeps creatiing an extra event |
| [16:35:03] | ben1066: | I could add a dedicated GPU |
| [16:35:05] | wagnerrp: | mythtv 0.25 will support VAAPI for use on the integrated graphics |
| [16:35:21] | wagnerrp: | but nvidia/vdpau is preferred |
| [16:35:22] | adam_: | but the by-path doesnt change |
| [16:35:41] | ben1066: | whats a good gpu to use? |
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| [16:35:55] | wagnerrp: | adam_: then you should be fine using the by-path symlink, and adding something to reset lircd when you come out of standby |
| [16:36:11] | wagnerrp: | GT210 are usually the cheapest available cards |
| [16:36:15] | ben1066: | http://www.dabs.com/products/evga-geforce-gt- . . . 0.html?src=3 |
| [16:36:19] | ben1066: | GT520? |
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| [16:36:43] | ben1066: | or is that overkill? |
| [16:37:01] | wagnerrp: | decent enough, and not bad of a price |
| [16:37:27] | wagnerrp: | although depending on where this will be placed in relation to your tv, a fanless version may be preferable |
| [16:37:37] | ben1066: | thats what I was thinking |
| [16:37:44] | ben1066: | Im trying to keep fans to a minimum |
| [16:37:53] | ben1066: | Im going to need one for anything above an atom cpu |
| [16:38:13] | ben1066: | so maybe itll be a 210 :P |
| [16:38:17] | wagnerrp: | big 120mm CPU fans are generally quiet, but those tiny little graphics fans can get loud and annoying |
| [16:38:36] | ben1066: | my gtx 560 ti in my main pc makes a lot of noise :P |
| [16:38:47] | ben1066: | its the asus direct cu2 version, has two massive fans |
| [16:38:50] | wagnerrp: | not to mention i have a terrible history with GPU fans failing |
| [16:39:08] | ben1066: | http://www.scan.co.uk/products/1gb-gainward-g . . . res-dvi-hdmi |
| [16:39:10] | ben1066: | yay fanless |
| [16:39:27] | wagnerrp: | ive got a 9800GTX running fanless in my desktop currently |
| [16:39:35] | wagnerrp: | with a big honking heatsink strapped to it |
| [16:39:43] | wagnerrp: | after the original fan died |
| [16:39:44] | ertyu-m: | the bearings tend to be so flimsy on those tiny fans that just touching the fan can destroy the bearing |
| [16:39:55] | ben1066: | yea mine has 120mm fans |
| [16:40:22] | wagnerrp: | ive got a 6800GS with a dead fan, and a 6600GT with a dead fan, and a R9800Pro with a dead fan, and... |
| [16:40:42] | wagnerrp: | to be honest, i dont upgrade my video cards for performance, i upgrade them when the fan dies |
| [16:40:55] | ben1066: | i upgrade mine when they decide to blow up |
| [16:41:00] | ben1066: | the caps blew on my last one |
| [16:41:01] | ben1066: | :p |
| [16:41:03] | wagnerrp: | blown caps? |
| [16:41:08] | ben1066: | 9800gt |
| [16:41:21] | adam_: | wagnerrp is uinput the module my remote uses? |
| [16:41:46] | wagnerrp: | adam_: no clue |
| [16:42:34] | wagnerrp: | adam_: one of the 'lsusb' options will tell you what driver is loaded for a USB device |
| [16:42:50] | wagnerrp: | ben1066: i actually went through my old parts bin a couple days back |
| [16:43:20] | ben1066: | eh? |
| [16:43:31] | wagnerrp: | and found a 6200LE from an old mythfrontend with eight of eight caps all blown |
| [16:43:58] | ben1066: | i guess for a dedicated gpu im gonna need to matx rather than mitx? |
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| [16:44:07] | wagnerrp: | and a 440MX from its previous incarnation with a blown cap as well |
| [16:44:15] | wagnerrp: | not necessarily |
| [16:44:24] | wagnerrp: | mini-itx boards generally only have one expansion slot |
| [16:44:29] | wagnerrp: | but if youre planning on using usb tuners... |
| [16:44:32] | BobLfoot: | Did anyone else have their program listings hosed by DST jump last night? |
| [16:45:15] | ** wagnerrp pokes sphery ** | |
| [16:45:23] | ben1066: | whats better about pci tuners? |
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| [16:45:54] | wagnerrp: | ben1066: theyre not USB |
| [16:46:08] | ben1066: | adn why is that better? |
| [16:46:20] | sphery: | BobLfoot: no |
| [16:46:28] | wagnerrp: | because USB is designed for low speed peripherals |
| [16:46:50] | sphery: | BobLfoot: but a better description of what you mean might allow me to help you fix your config |
| [16:46:51] | wagnerrp: | not high speed devices with explicit time and buffering constraints |
| [16:47:28] | BobLfoot: | sphery: I see nothing in the mailing lists or google about this since 2010, yet my Centos Mythbox screwed this up last night. |
| [16:47:42] | sphery: | how so |
| [16:48:27] | BobLfoot: | sphery: I use broadcast EIT info and several – I won't say all cause I ahven't checked all – listings are off by 1 hour. |
| [16:48:58] | sphery: | ah, with EIT, I can imagine having problems, since it's totally up to the network to do the right thing |
| [16:49:03] | sphery: | I assumed you were using Schedules Direct |
| [16:49:13] | BobLfoot: | sphery: 11:00 O'clock news shows at 10. etc. |
| [16:49:23] | sphery: | FWIW, with Schedules Direct, you shouldn't have any problems. |
| [16:49:32] | wagnerrp: | all bets are off when using garbage data |
| [16:49:40] | BobLfoot: | sphery: So I am at network mercy and the same 3 day wait I had in October for stuff to settler out. |
| [16:49:45] | sphery: | yep |
| [16:49:48] | wagnerrp: | its entirely possible, and not unlikely, your broadcaster fu--ed up |
| [16:49:56] | wagnerrp: | and is sending you data at the wrong offset |
| [16:50:01] | sphery: | or, you could sign up for a 7-day free trial of Schedules Direct and take matters into your own hands |
| [16:50:19] | sphery: | http://www.schedulesdirect.org/ |
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| [16:50:33] | BobLfoot: | wagnerrp: all three major networks — and their on air stuff when I look thru the tv at it is spot on. Don't think so. |
| [16:50:50] | sphery: | and it will give you 2 weeks of high-quality data with good episode identification, allowing for better duplicate matching--even across 5+ years of use |
| [16:51:04] | BobLfoot: | Wish I knew enough to flush the current data and fouce a reload. well time to RTFM before the next "Fall back" |
| [16:51:12] | sphery: | BobLfoot: if they're sending good data, now, you need to ^^^ |
| [16:51:38] | wagnerrp: | BobLfoot: well then perhaps mythtv just has poor behavior with respect to EIT when dealing with DST changes |
| [16:51:40] | sphery: | stop all mythtv units, truncate table program; , then restart and wait |
| [16:51:44] | wagnerrp: | because no one actually uses it |
| [16:51:46] | BobLfoot: | sphery: can you suggest what RTFM to learn howto "force a relaod" |
| [16:52:11] | wagnerrp: | truncate table program; ? |
| [16:52:33] | BobLfoot: | wagnerrp: thats an mysql command iirc |
| [16:52:52] | wagnerrp: | there is no mechanism in mythtv to 'flush the data' |
| [16:53:03] | wagnerrp: | besides deleting the channels |
| [16:54:07] | ben1066: | wagnerrp: do I need dedicated gfx or will the integrated graphics be enough |
| [16:54:17] | ben1066: | that seems to be the defining factor between matx and mitc |
| [16:54:56] | wagnerrp: | nvidia graphics are recommended, but the current integrated intel stuff should be enough |
| [16:55:06] | sphery: | I just don't get why someone would choose a luxury DVR system (an expensive one) and then choose to not pay $25/yr (~$0.07/day) and hobble along with limited amounts of data that's not very useful for duplicate detection (especially over the long term or across channels) |
| [16:55:18] | ben1066: | wagnerrp: I can get away with smaller and cheaper that way, that's all :p |
| [16:57:09] | ben1066: | £260 seems to be about what its gonna cost... |
| [16:57:11] | sphery: | wagnerrp: have you set up an OpenGL renderer profile (or profile group)? What kind of performance do you see with it? (And can you do timestretch?) |
| [16:58:04] | sphery: | (I'd still like to add some OpenGL profile groups by default, but haven't found anyone willing to share ones that they've made work on their systems... And since I'm getting terrible performance out of them, I figure someone else should come up with the profiles.) |
| [17:04:46] | BobLfoot: | sphery: some of us are just cheap scots and do it all for free {save our labor and contributons to community} or not at all :0 |
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| [17:07:32] | sphery: | I'm all about Free, but care little about free |
| [17:08:23] | sphery: | but, anyway, if you're happy wasting your time on issues like this or on fixing problems with duplicate detection or missing recordings due to limited data or whatever, I suppose it works for you |
| [17:09:33] | sphery: | It just seems to me to be the wrong place to try to cut costs |
| [17:12:07] | BobLfoot: | sphery: mythtv has been such an improvement over the old VHS recorder that the little bit of hassle is minor, but you're right the $25 SD subscription would be a nice birthday present for the wife to give me. |
| [17:12:41] | sphery: | I guess, though, it's a more reasonable choice for an OTA user to make than for a person who has a $100/mo cable TV subscription (some of whom still think they should be able to use EIT) |
| [17:13:33] | wagnerrp: | sphery: well... cable tv doesnt have EIT anyway |
| [17:13:35] | wagnerrp: | so its moot |
| [17:13:43] | sphery: | right |
| [17:13:56] | sphery: | but lots come in here complaining when it doesn't work for them with their cable subs |
| [17:14:45] | wagnerrp: | cant help ignorance |
| [17:15:21] | sphery: | true, but the arguing and complaining when they find out the data isn't there... |
| [17:15:27] | BobLfoot: | I have 4 OTA tuners and 2 tuners hooked to Satellite Boxes. Haven't hooked the infrared from PC to Sat yet though |
| [17:18:07] | BobLfoot: | sphery: so which updates faster; SD or EIT when local station bumps the show 30 minutes cause the ball game ran into OT. |
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| [17:27:38] | sphery: | SD is once per day, so--for me--that's faster than my local stations |
| [17:27:55] | sphery: | (that don't update the EIT data) |
| [17:29:09] | wagnerrp: | sphery: for what its worth, most of my local stations keep their data updated at least every twelve hours |
| [17:29:29] | wagnerrp: | as compared to the 24 you get from the daily mythfilldatabase run |
| [17:30:40] | wagnerrp: | (of course they only offer twelve hours of guide data in the first place :)) |
| [17:31:27] | sphery: | hehe, yeah... mine doesn't even seem to change now/next to match reality |
| [17:33:47] | BobLfoot: | sphery: well the stop myth ; truncate table program ; restart myth appears to have put my recordings for tonight at the correct time. Thanks for humoring a cheap old scot. |
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| [17:34:54] | wagnerrp: | note that now you have assorted cruft in various cross linked tables |
| [17:35:02] | wagnerrp: | things like ratings, cast members, etc... |
| [17:35:35] | wagnerrp: | i dont know if those cross links will be cleared out automatically |
| [17:35:50] | sphery: | yeah, over a period of a couple weeks, they will |
| [17:36:29] | sphery: | but that's why we don't normally recommend direct db editing |
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| [17:37:50] | Slappy: | It's me the guy whining about all the handbrakecli script errors |
| [17:37:53] | Slappy: | Guess what |
| [17:38:00] | Slappy: | Its a handbrake problem, not python |
| [17:38:24] | wagnerrp: | sphery: `people` will get cleared out as other shows use them and are removed |
| [17:38:37] | Slappy: | I just batch transcoded like 14 TV episodes in windows 7 that were recorded from mythtv, that is, I copied the files from the recordings share to a windows 7 pc, then batch transcoded all of them |
| [17:38:50] | wagnerrp: | but will the now orphaned entries in credits, used to link the program and people tables, ever get cleared out? |
| [17:38:56] | Slappy: | I got MANY 5:00 errors |
| [17:39:20] | Slappy: | recordings that terminated at the 5:00 mark |
| [17:39:30] | Slappy: | it was a handbrake problem all along |
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| [17:40:06] | sphery: | wagnerrp: ttbomk, people never gets cleared |
| [17:40:21] | sphery: | i.e. any person ever seen on any show is in your DB |
| [17:40:47] | wagnerrp: | sphery: at least anyone seen after the upgrade to 0.22... :) |
| [17:40:54] | sphery: | hehe, yeah |
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| [17:41:11] | sphery: | and, for some, parts of people seen before 0.22 |
| [17:41:32] | sphery: | (meaning some names were likely truncated or otherwise corrupted--depending on database and Qt version) |
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| [17:42:01] | BobLfoot: | sphery: so why would people be an empty table on my system? |
| [17:42:16] | sphery: | because you don't get much data from EIT |
| [17:42:41] | BobLfoot: | ah ha so EIT doesn't list people like SD — gotcha |
| [17:42:43] | sphery: | pretty sure you don't get much more than channel/start time/end time/title/subtitle/description |
| [17:43:16] | wagnerrp: | BobLfoot: nearly anyone doing scheduled recordings is going to have a DVR with a subscription guide service |
| [17:43:23] | sphery: | though that means you won't have any garbage data in people :) |
| [17:43:34] | wagnerrp: | and few TVs over here actually provide much in the way of an EPG to make use of broadcast EIT data |
| [17:43:48] | BobLfoot: | gotta say I really like the user job script feature – I post process most shows down to a 0.5gb per hr resolution and carry on thumb drive to watch from laptop. |
| [17:43:55] | wagnerrp: | so most TV stations dont bother providing any more than the bare minimum required by the FCC |
| [17:43:58] | sphery: | and many of those that do use the TV guide encrypted data |
| [17:44:22] | sphery: | where the TV manufacturer pays Gemstar/TV guide for the right to include their decoder in the TV set |
| [17:44:26] | wagnerrp: | 0.5gb per hour... so youre cutting this stuff down to 720x480? |
| [17:44:56] | wagnerrp: | even at 480p and h264, thats a bit low |
| [17:45:35] | BobLfoot: | wagnerrp: sphery — checking the scripts for actual resolution its been a couple of months since I set them up |
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| [17:46:31] | sphery: | why not just put them on laptop HDD without the cutting |
| [17:46:58] | sphery: | you can fit a lot of shows on a 250 or 500GB HDD, even at full bitrate |
| [17:47:17] | sphery: | (or, if your laptop HDD is small, just put it on a 2.5" external drive to carry with you) |
| [17:47:32] | wagnerrp: | (or replace the laptop HDD with a bigger one) |
| [17:47:40] | sphery: | or that |
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| [17:49:20] | BobLfoot: | wagnerrp: sphery — looks ffmpeg is using -acodec mp2 -ab 96k -ac 2 -vcodec libx264 -s vga -preset medium -crf 22 |
| [17:50:20] | BobLfoot: | sphery: must be nice to have a laptop with a 250 or 500 gb drive. mine is 40gb and 30gb of that is xp while 10gb is centos. |
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| [17:50:59] | Slappy: | It looks like I had 5 out of 11 recordings transcode properly with handbrakecli, ALL of the rest stopped at 5:00 |
| [17:51:20] | wagnerrp: | and they otherwise play fine in mythtv? |
| [17:51:27] | BobLfoot: | the 8gb thumbs drive will hold 1 hour without cutting. |
| [17:51:29] | Slappy: | The originals play great |
| [17:51:47] | sphery: | BobLfoot: hehe, I'm surprised you were able to fit XP in 30GB... but if you have a 30GB HDD, I'm guessing the cutting is going to be necessary just because a laptop of that vintage likely couldn't handle high-bitrate, high-definition TV |
| [17:51:53] | Slappy: | the transcoded ones, whether transcoded in linux or win7 sometimes stop at 5:00 |
| [17:51:54] | sphery: | er, a 40GB HDD |
| [17:52:30] | BobLfoot: | sphery: Dell Inspiron B120 @ 2005 with 2gb ram and 1.4ghz P4 CPU. |
| [17:52:46] | wagnerrp: | well theres also the issue of a computer laptop running XP and having a 30–40GB HD not being powerful enough for the HD MPEG2 |
| [17:52:59] | wagnerrp: | or HD H264 for that matter |
| [17:53:26] | wagnerrp: | although mp2 audio is an odd choice |
| [17:53:32] | BobLfoot: | stange thing is it does fine if I launch mythfrontend from it and connect over lan to the main mythbackend. |
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| [17:54:21] | wagnerrp: | if mythfrontend can play that content on that machine, it must be using XvMC for partial offload |
| [17:54:25] | wagnerrp: | which is removed in 0.25 by the way |
| [17:54:32] | BobLfoot: | don't recall why i chose that wagnerrp — probably saw it on some goggle howto and never ventured to try anything else, cxause it worked. |
| [17:55:35] | BobLfoot: | wagnerrp: you misunderstand vlc plays the ffmpeg recoded stuff ; mythfrontend plays the original recordings unadulterated from the master backend over lan. |
| [17:56:27] | BobLfoot: | and will sometimes miss-sync , but it's not State o' art hardware so beggars can't bbe picky. |
| [17:56:45] | wagnerrp: | no, im saying a 1.4GHz P4 will not play HD MPEG2 content without support from XvMC |
| [17:56:58] | wagnerrp: | a 1.4GHz P4 is roughly as capable as my 1GHz P3 laptop |
| [17:57:03] | sphery: | BobLfoot: hehe, for a minute, I /though/ maybe my listings (or, scheduler, actually) got confused by the time change since this morning my system recorded a show called, "Missing," with description, "The cases of 22 missing children and two missing adults; Internet safety; emergency contacts, safety skills and the buddy system; waiting for the school bus; becoming lost in a store." --a show I never would have chosen to record |
| [17:57:11] | wagnerrp: | which doesnt even come close |
| [17:57:29] | sphery: | Turns out that I had created an any/always rule to catch the new series, "Missing" ( http://www.tv.com/shows/missing-2011/ ) that starts Mar 15 |
| [17:57:36] | wagnerrp: | but from 2005... do you maybe mean 2.4GHz? |
| [17:57:44] | sphery: | so it got the news special, too |
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| [17:58:03] | sphery: | (Oh, and note that the show--regardless of what tv.com says--did /not/ premiere Dec 31, 1969 |
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| [18:00:14] | sphery: | seems I have to fix the rule with a custom rule--ABC has a series called Missing that's a Crime Drama that premieres Mar 15, and another series called Missing that's a "Reality" show |
| [18:00:31] | sphery: | funny that they're both on the same channel |
| [18:00:57] | BobLfoot: | sphery: wagnerrp http://reviews.cnet.com/laptops/dell-inspiron . . . 1637435.html |
| [18:01:07] | sphery: | title is missing and category is not reality should work |
| [18:01:37] | wagnerrp: | oh, pentium M |
| [18:01:47] | wagnerrp: | P-M and P4 are two completely different things |
| [18:02:02] | wagnerrp: | a P-M is basically an improved P3 |
| [18:02:03] | BobLfoot: | yeah my bad I was thinking it was p4 |
| [18:02:17] | wagnerrp: | putting a 1.4GHz P-M probably closer to a 2.0GHz P4 |
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| [18:02:20] | BobLfoot: | It has been a good soldier though |
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| [18:02:54] | BobLfoot: | I jsut upgraded the memory from 512 to 2.0 — that made a diff |
| [18:04:43] | metaron: | Hi, does anyone out there think they might be able to help me debug an h264 playback problem with 0.24.2? |
| [18:05:08] | wagnerrp: | DVB recording? or did you encode this yourself? |
| [18:05:38] | wagnerrp: | or from something like an HDPVR or digital camcorder? |
| [18:05:52] | metaron: | it's a file I got from my brother – plays fine in mplayer – but is shocking in the internal player |
| [18:05:59] | BobLfoot: | wagnerrp: sphery — thanks again – I'll cut my noise so you can help others |
| [18:06:02] | ben1066: | wagnerrp: why is it being removed? |
| [18:06:14] | wagnerrp: | ben1066: XvMC? |
| [18:06:18] | ben1066: | yea? |
| [18:06:25] | wagnerrp: | because it sucks balls |
| [18:06:37] | metaron: | nope Xv, (savage chipset) on a celeron 1Ghz |
| [18:06:38] | wagnerrp: | and no hardware has been released that has supported it in several years |
| [18:07:18] | wagnerrp: | nvidia dropped support completely like three years ago |
| [18:07:29] | wagnerrp: | intel support is largely unmaintained, if it still exists |
| [18:07:37] | wagnerrp: | ATI never supported it in the first place |
| [18:09:43] | wagnerrp: | but it only offered limited offload, and only for mpeg2, is completely unnecessary on any mainstream CPU from the last 5–6 years, and has some nasty implications with regards to OSDs |
| [18:11:36] | metaron: | the file(s) seemed to play fine when I did the original installation with 0.24.1 (gentoo) but since the upgrade to 0.24.2 I only seem to get 60% cpu usage and playback just isn't happening. |
| [18:12:52] | sphery: | but, hey, XvMC was cool stuff in 2000 |
| [18:13:32] | sphery: | metaron: mythfrontend Utilities/Setup| |
| [18:13:50] | sphery: | Setup|TV Settings, 3rd screen.. check your Playback Profile group--you want Slim |
| [18:14:19] | ben1066: | anyone here use a usb dvbt stick? |
| [18:14:29] | sphery: | though a celeron 1GHz with Savage graphics is unlikely to be uesful for more than very low bitrate H.264 |
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| [18:15:18] | Jester86: | I found a wifi adapter that works well enough to stream mythtv wirelessly =) |
| [18:16:03] | wagnerrp: | a single system isnt really a problem |
| [18:16:07] | wagnerrp: | multiple systems are |
| [18:16:17] | wagnerrp: | and you still have network dropouts that mythtv is not designed to handle well |
| [18:16:29] | Jester86: | that'd be dependent on the TX source wouldn't it? |
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| [18:16:51] | wagnerrp: | what? |
| [18:16:54] | Jester86: | the router.. |
| [18:17:07] | Jester86: | if you had multiple FEs using wireless |
| [18:17:16] | ben1066: | standard def dvbt is mpeg2 right? |
| [18:17:30] | Jester86: | or would more network traffic in the air period would cause problems? |
| [18:17:32] | wagnerrp: | well it would depend on whether you were doing B, G, or N |
| [18:17:45] | Jester86: | n |
| [18:17:48] | wagnerrp: | 802.11 is inherently broadcast |
| [18:17:58] | wagnerrp: | however much bandwidth that router has, is shared among all clients |
| [18:18:21] | wagnerrp: | and that 300Mbps, or 450Mbps, or even 600Mbps that router may be rated for is just the signalling rate |
| [18:18:30] | wagnerrp: | the actually data rate is far less |
| [18:18:34] | wagnerrp: | often less than half that |
| [18:18:35] | Jester86: | yeah |
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| [18:18:47] | wagnerrp: | N might be good for three frontends |
| [18:18:58] | wagnerrp: | again, with periodic dropouts calling stalls in playback |
| [18:19:06] | wagnerrp: | ben1066: some is MPEG2, some is H264 |
| [18:19:09] | Jester86: | yeah this laptop is only pulling 78mbs on the 2 channel usb adapter and ~30mbs on the integrated adapter |
| [18:19:09] | metaron: | sphery: I set it to cpu++ at about the time of the upgrade, I've now set it to slim. Top shows about 15% cpu usage against mythtv, but playback only shows about one fame every second |
| [18:19:09] | wagnerrp: | depends on the broadcaster |
| [18:19:44] | Jester86: | yeah |
| [18:19:45] | ben1066: | Uses DVB-T/MPEG-2 for SD and DVB-T2/H.264/MPEG-4 for HD transmissions. |
| [18:19:53] | ben1066: | according to wikipedia :P |
| [18:19:58] | ben1066: | thats uk specific mind |
| [18:19:58] | Jester86: | I have a Dlinks Gaming router.. 3 channel |
| [18:20:17] | ** awalls jams the nearby network clients when using the microwave oven ** | |
| [18:20:27] | ben1066: | see its odd, my tv supports h264/mpeg4 for dvbt2 yet dlna only does avchd and mpeg2 |
| [18:20:33] | awalls: | Time for a new microwave oven I guess. |
| [18:21:02] | wagnerrp: | awalls: nah, time for 5GHz gear |
| [18:21:10] | Jester86: | awalls, i noticed network difficulties last night when the following round of solar activity was toward its peak again |
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| [18:21:15] | awalls: | hehe. |
| [18:21:49] | awalls: | I prefer CAT-5e: It always works. ;) |
| [18:22:02] | Jester86: | CAT6.. |
| [18:22:04] | Jester86: | lol |
| [18:22:31] | awalls: | I'm not in the GigaBit world yet. :P |
| [18:22:31] | ben1066: | CAT6 isn't that needed yet... |
| [18:22:55] | Jester86: | yeah i know. I'm wondering if I should run it when i buy a house this summer |
| [18:23:07] | ** awalls would find it impossible to upgrade the wiring in the walls at this point anyway ** | |
| [18:23:14] | awalls: | Yes. |
| [18:23:16] | Jester86: | not sure it'll still be what you need by the time you need something better than 53 |
| [18:23:17] | wagnerrp: | i would suggest running cat7 |
| [18:23:17] | ** BobLfoot runs gigabit on cat5 with no issues .... yet. small lan ** | |
| [18:23:19] | Jester86: | 5e* |
| [18:23:24] | wagnerrp: | and probably fiber while your at it |
| [18:23:31] | ben1066: | i have cat5e with gigabit ethernet |
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| [18:23:38] | wagnerrp: | cable is cheap, running cable is a PITA |
| [18:23:51] | Jester86: | wagnerrp, fiber is cheap? |
| [18:23:53] | wagnerrp: | if youre going to be doing it, you might as well do a fat bundle of cable all at once |
| [18:24:00] | awalls: | Labor $/hr cost is huge compared to any cable. |
| [18:24:06] | BobLfoot: | +GB wagnerrp cable_running==PITA |
| [18:24:18] | awalls: | (except those sold by Monster and the like.) |
| [18:24:47] | wagnerrp: | run enough for any foreseeable future possibility |
| [18:25:04] | Jester86: | yeah |
| [18:25:08] | wagnerrp: | i.e. dont just run one ETH line to a jack, run several |
| [18:25:10] | awalls: | As a general rule, always overprovision. Someone will find a use for the bandwidth. ;) |
| [18:25:14] | Jester86: | its determining what thay may be is the difficult part.. |
| [18:25:18] | wagnerrp: | if youre not using it, you can always just leave it bare |
| [18:25:24] | wagnerrp: | or run it into an unused port on a patch panel |
| [18:25:57] | Jester86: | yeah |
| [18:26:20] | awalls: | One port in each bedroom, two ports in each family room, and living room. One or two over the kitchen counters. |
| [18:26:30] | ben1066: | id say two in all rooms... |
| [18:26:36] | awalls: | I would advise against any being run to the bathrooms. ;) |
| [18:26:42] | BobLfoot: | except when that unuse cable becomes a directional amplifying antenna for some nuisance signal wagnerrp |
| [18:26:54] | wagnerrp: | awalls: why is that? |
| [18:27:02] | ben1066: | i mean, I have 3 ethernet devices in one bedroom :S |
| [18:27:10] | Jester86: | lol |
| [18:27:19] | awalls: | Slows down the turn-over in bathroom usage. I have 4 kids. :) |
| [18:27:22] | ben1066: | TV+Blu ray+PC |
| [18:27:27] | Jester86: | I want to put a touch screen monitor in my shower.. |
| [18:27:38] | wagnerrp: | awalls: ah... |
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| [18:27:53] | wagnerrp: | weve got a tv in the bathroom as it is |
| [18:28:10] | wagnerrp: | ive been meaning to pick up a little box to run mythtv to connect to it |
| [18:28:16] | Jester86: | haha.. for the toilet or the bath? |
| [18:28:20] | wagnerrp: | bath |
| [18:28:38] | wagnerrp: | sadly its a CRT, and "little boxes" capable of outputting to CRT are getting a bit rare |
| [18:28:55] | Jester86: | yeah |
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| [18:29:05] | wagnerrp: | even big boxes with video cards capable of that are getting rare |
| [18:29:20] | metaron: | sphery: I just mounted the my back end drive nfs – mplayer uses 42–50% cpu and plays fine. Any other suggestions? |
| [18:29:27] | Jester86: | i've seen some ATX mobo's that still have integral svideo |
| [18:29:50] | Jester86: | let me check ebay real quick |
| [18:29:53] | ben1066: | i need to run some proper cabling through the walls... |
| [18:30:06] | sphery: | metaron: no other ideas, sorry |
| [18:30:33] | wagnerrp: | Jester86: sure, ive got one running one of my frontends |
| [18:30:42] | wagnerrp: | im saying you cant buy NEW hardware with such outputs |
| [18:30:49] | Jester86: | ohh yeah true |
| [18:30:50] | wagnerrp: | leaving you to a cheesy scan converter |
| [18:30:56] | metaron: | sphery: thanks for the suggestion! |
| [18:31:02] | BobLfoot: | wagnerrp: look on web for rf modulator – that'll take vga to crt real easy and for under $10 USD. most video cards can do vga nowadays |
| [18:31:12] | Jester86: | wagnerrp, what are your thoughts on the raspberry pi? |
| [18:31:25] | sphery: | metaron: good luck |
| [18:32:27] | wagnerrp: | BobLfoot: an RF modulator is for modulating over VHF.... |
| [18:32:41] | wagnerrp: | a scan converter converts from one baseband signaling to another |
| [18:33:07] | wagnerrp: | you would use a scan converter to run from VGA to svideo, and the a modulator to run from svideo to RF |
| [18:33:23] | wagnerrp: | youre just talking about a device that does both steps in one unit |
| [18:33:31] | BobLfoot: | wagnerrp: assumed your crt was old ntsc tv |
| [18:33:39] | wagnerrp: | sure, but it has svideo and composite inputs |
| [18:33:50] | wagnerrp: | every tv made in the last 25 years or so will have those |
| [18:34:08] | wagnerrp: | Jester86: worthless until such time as someone writes an openmax decoder for mythtv |
| [18:34:26] | wagnerrp: | Jester86: still worthless after that until such time as someone cleans up the frontend's memory consumption |
| [18:34:46] | wagnerrp: | 256MB is too small as it is to run a frontend comfortably |
| [18:35:06] | wagnerrp: | running it on the 180MB or so left after the GPU gets what it wants is going to be painful |
| [18:35:15] | wagnerrp: | its the same problem as trying to use a PS3 |
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| [19:04:17] | BobLfoot: | wagnerrp: beg to differ none of my crt have svideo or composite inputs |
| [19:04:43] | BobLfoot: | but they were bought before 1995 |
| [19:05:30] | wagnerrp: | i dont think weve got a tv without at least composite |
| [19:05:40] | wagnerrp: | and i think the oldest is maybe 1994 |
| [19:05:50] | wagnerrp: | the one im talking about is maybe 1999 |
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| [19:18:42] | FabriceMG: | I have lost all Tv icons in frontend |
| [19:19:29] | FabriceMG: | http://pastebin.com/hGpTJmfd |
| [19:20:28] | FabriceMG: | all Tv icons exist, and patch is good, 1 bug? |
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| [19:35:07] | wizbit: | i have setup a friend of mine a mythtv box |
| [19:35:19] | wizbit: | im wondering if i can sync his box with mine some how |
| [19:35:24] | wizbit: | remotely |
| [19:35:31] | [R]: | sync what? the recordings? |
| [19:35:38] | wizbit: | i guess that would eat too much bandwidth |
| [19:35:41] | wizbit: | yep |
| [19:35:46] | [R]: | that sounds somewhat illegal |
| [19:35:49] | wizbit: | oh ok |
| [19:35:51] | wizbit: | i wont then |
| [19:36:12] | wizbit: | that would eat too much bandwidth anyhow |
| [19:36:41] | wagnerrp: | that legality bit is why there has never been any official mechanism designed to copy content from one system to another |
| [19:36:48] | wagnerrp: | despite how obvious a feature it might appear |
| [19:36:58] | wagnerrp: | and how many times people have requested such a thing over the years |
| [19:37:14] | wizbit: | its a grey area? |
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| [19:37:23] | ** [R] is a bandwith monster ** | |
| [19:37:27] | [R]: | goggle goggle goggle |
| [19:37:28] | wizbit: | :o |
| [19:37:29] | [R]: | oops |
| [19:37:31] | wagnerrp: | whats a grey area? |
| [19:37:34] | [R]: | gobble gobble gobble* |
| [19:37:49] | wizbit: | wagnerrp: syncing boxes over the net |
| [19:38:43] | wagnerrp: | its pretty cut and dry |
| [19:39:14] | wagnerrp: | syncing boxes using a portable hard drive is a bit of a grey area |
| [19:39:31] | wagnerrp: | there are a lot of legitimate uses of such behavior |
| [19:39:50] | wagnerrp: | such as an independent system you take with you on trips |
| [19:40:18] | wagnerrp: | syncing over the internet has very few legitimate uses |
| [19:40:23] | wizbit: | aye ok |
| [19:41:21] | wagnerrp: | and most of those uses are invalidated by telling them they should have the remote hosts VPN into the local ones, and run a single shared system |
| [19:41:45] | wagnerrp: | of course there are complaints about insufficient bandwidth |
| [19:42:01] | wagnerrp: | but thats going to be less and less of an issue in the future |
| [19:42:11] | wizbit: | yep true |
| [19:42:25] | wizbit: | then that means there will be no need for mythtv :( |
| [19:42:38] | wizbit: | but i will still run it anyway |
| [19:42:38] | wagnerrp: | how so? |
| [19:42:54] | wizbit: | maybe the tv channels will let you have access to everything |
| [19:43:02] | wizbit: | select what you want to watch |
| [19:43:02] | wagnerrp: | just because you now have enough bandwidth to stream video from some VOD provider |
| [19:43:16] | wagnerrp: | doesnt mean they will be willing to provide you that video in a manner you want to consume it |
| [19:43:24] | wizbit: | aye true |
| [19:43:44] | wagnerrp: | take a look at Ultraviolet, and see if it enables you to do ANYTHING you might want |
| [19:44:06] | wagnerrp: | note that if 'anything' occurs on a Linux machine, youre SOL |
| [19:44:10] | wizbit: | is that like netflix yuk |
| [19:44:44] | wagnerrp: | if 'anything' occurs on an older copy of Windows, or an older copy of OSX (or a modern copy of OSX for all I know), youre SOL |
| [19:44:51] | wizbit: | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=S.O.L. |
| [19:44:55] | wagnerrp: | if youre currently offline, youre SOL |
| [19:45:01] | wizbit: | eeek |
| [19:45:27] | wagnerrp: | it the content provider decides to discontinue service, youre SOL |
| [19:45:52] | wizbit: | :( |
| [19:46:22] | wizbit: | ive recently got a pfsense box working now, using a old ibm netvista piii |
| [19:46:41] | wagnerrp: | "oh, youre still using Ultraviolet? well for the low low price of the same thing you paid the first time, you can repurchase your content on our new Gamma video distribution system!" |
| [19:46:52] | wizbit: | yuk |
| [19:47:07] | wizbit: | thats a bit too digital for my liking |
| [19:47:10] | wagnerrp: | yes, this is why DRM must be banned |
| [19:47:15] | wizbit: | agreed |
| [19:47:55] | wagnerrp: | it takes content control away from the content owner (you), and put it in control of the license owner (some company with an inherent motivation to make you keep paying for content you already own) |
| [19:48:22] | wizbit: | its a business model?! |
| [19:49:21] | wagnerrp: | yes, DRM is not to stop piracy, no matter what anyone may claim otherwise... it is a business model to eliminate the concept of personal ownership, and make society a perpetually paid service |
| [19:49:48] | wizbit: | i think RMS has more to say on the subject :D |
| [19:50:01] | wagnerrp: | you bought that disk |
| [19:50:07] | wagnerrp: | you can cook the disk in a microwave |
| [19:50:12] | wagnerrp: | you can hang it up as an ornament |
| [19:50:22] | wagnerrp: | you can extract the contents to your hard drive |
| [19:50:32] | wagnerrp: | you can print those content out on paper and defecate on them |
| [19:50:47] | wagnerrp: | the only thing you cannot do is make a copy, and give that copy to someone else |
| [19:50:48] | [R]: | ROFL |
| [19:50:54] | wizbit: | haha did he say that |
| [19:51:20] | wagnerrp: | did who say what? |
| [19:51:25] | wizbit: | RMS |
| [19:51:45] | wagnerrp: | how should i know what crazybeard says? |
| [19:51:52] | wizbit: | hehe |
| [19:52:18] | wizbit: | i dont think im gonna install .25 until .25.1 is released |
| [19:52:26] | wizbit: | i dont need any more features |
| [19:52:40] | wizbit: | nothing can get any better than it already is |
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| [21:37:11] | williammanda: | where can I find the port information that mythtv uses? I'm setting up UFW. |
| [21:39:30] | wagnerrp: | 6543 and 6544 |
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| [21:41:59] | williammanda: | what are they tcp or udp or both? |
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| [21:43:01] | wagnerrp: | tcp |
| [21:44:34] | williammanda: | incoming and out going? |
| [21:44:56] | wagnerrp: | huh? |
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| [21:45:09] | williammanda: | I'm new to this....:) |
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| [21:45:39] | williammanda: | when setting up rules in the firewall...I get the option of in and out |
| [21:45:50] | wagnerrp: | there is rarely any need to send data OUT of a specific port |
| [21:46:08] | wagnerrp: | typically, you send it out some available >1024 port |
| [21:46:22] | wagnerrp: | and the firewall administrator is not so anal as to prevent that |
| [21:46:38] | wagnerrp: | servers listen on a known port, in this case 6543 and 6544 |
| [21:46:54] | wagnerrp: | for TCP, connection requests come in on that port |
| [21:47:20] | wagnerrp: | and the bidirectional communication is established between port 6543/6544 on the server, and that random >1024 port on the client |
| [21:47:50] | wagnerrp: | in a stateful firewall, you track the initial allowed inbound connection on the server port |
| [21:48:04] | wagnerrp: | and subsequent outbound communication through that connection is handled automatically |
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| [22:08:39] | TheAsp: | Anyone using firewire on ubuntu 12.04? I seem to not have any audio in my mpeg files I capture... |
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