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| [01:17:51] | wagnerrp: | how the f- can i have a digest violation on an ebuild i just wrong from scratch and digested? |
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| [02:27:47] | wagnerrp: | jya: http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17embk9bzee5ikpg/original.jpg |
| [02:28:09] | jya: | what's that? |
| [02:28:29] | wagnerrp: | hmm... seems they block deep linking |
| [02:28:35] | wagnerrp: | hang on |
| [02:28:51] | jya: | all I get is an xml error |
| [02:29:25] | wagnerrp: | http://www.wagnerrp.com/files/australia.jpg |
| [02:30:29] | [R]: | haha |
| [02:31:14] | wagnerrp: | i can only imagine the discussion that resulted in that image |
| [02:31:44] | jya: | i don't get it |
| [02:31:56] | wagnerrp: | australia/austria... |
| [02:32:01] | jya: | ahhh |
| [02:37:00] | wagnerrp: | i.e.... "when i was over in eastern europe, i decided to visit georgia", "what was that, like a 15hr flight?" |
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| [04:16:04] | Hydr0p0nX: | progress ! |
| [04:16:07] | Hydr0p0nX: | kind of ... |
| [04:19:40] | Hydr0p0nX: | have stable video and only one set of channels show up in the list, but i lose all audio until i reboot after i watch live tv ... |
| [04:26:51] | lucas^: | ha, I think I just managed to fix the closed-caption sync problem |
| [04:26:59] | lucas^: | this has been bugging me for over a year |
| [04:27:20] | Hydr0p0nX: | and i thought the problems i've had the last few days were annoying |
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| [04:37:12] | Beirdo: | my poor fingers |
| [04:37:36] | Beirdo: | that should teach me to leave the bass sitting around so long. |
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| [04:55:54] | Hydr0p0nX: | heh |
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| [06:15:44] | Hydr0p0nX: | does any one have an HVR-1600 ? I'm having problems getting audio when watching live tv |
| [06:32:36] | xtort-: | Hydr0p0nX, shut yo face |
| [06:32:50] | wagnerrp: | ? |
| [06:34:50] | Beirdo: | Hydr0p0nX: sorry, I don't have one here, and ignore the troll. |
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| [06:50:44] | Lagroth: | hello |
| [06:51:31] | Lagroth: | I'm looking for some help (or directions on where to find it) with the python binding for Mythtv 0.24 |
| [06:54:13] | wagnerrp: | shoot |
| [06:55:43] | Lagroth: | What I'm trying to work out is how to find the next 5 shows that are scheduled to be recorded |
| [06:55:57] | Lagroth: | The only guidance I can find is the mythtv wiki |
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| [06:56:20] | wagnerrp: | be = MythBE(); be.getUpcomingRecordings() |
| [06:56:24] | Lagroth: | hmm |
| [06:56:38] | wagnerrp: | or pending, one of those two |
| [06:57:06] | Hydr0p0nX: | beirdo, looks like a bug in the driver most distro's ship... i'm working on building it from source now |
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| [06:57:20] | Hydr0p0nX: | unfortunately, centos makes it difficult to get kernel sources |
| [06:57:55] | Lagroth: | cheers, not sure how I missed that |
| [06:57:57] | Beirdo: | heh. There is a solution for that little problem, of course |
| [06:58:09] | Hydr0p0nX: | yea |
| [06:58:52] | Lagroth: | on my more general issue is the myth wiki the best source of info? |
| [06:59:07] | wagnerrp: | that, or skimming through the source itself |
| [06:59:19] | Hydr0p0nX: | their doc says " yum install rpm-build redhat-rpm-config unifdef", yum says "No package unifdef available." |
| [06:59:27] | wagnerrp: | anything of significant interest will be in methodheap.py or dataheap.py |
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| [07:03:56] | Lagroth: | Cheers wagnerrp. I'll go have a look at that |
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| [08:13:56] | wizbit: | http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/TBS6280 |
| [08:14:10] | wizbit: | 'As of (2012-02–14) it is now possible to tune into DVB-T & DVB-T2 at the same time,' |
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| [08:14:31] | wagnerrp: | no its not |
| [08:15:06] | wagnerrp: | oh, that actually is a dual tuner |
| [08:15:10] | wagnerrp: | not just a hybrid |
| [08:15:14] | ** wagnerrp skulks away ** | |
| [08:15:22] | wizbit: | http://www.amazon.co.uk/DVB-T2-Tuner-Definiti . . . 6&sr=8-1 |
| [08:15:33] | wizbit: | £59.99 bargain |
| [08:16:16] | wizbit: | time to upgrade kernel on backend |
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| [08:25:21] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: now I wish I lived in KY for a bit ;) |
| [08:25:43] | Beirdo: | I want some whiskey barrels to make planters for my balcony |
| [08:26:14] | wagnerrp: | living in KY wouldnt help you much there |
| [08:26:19] | Beirdo: | sure it would |
| [08:26:23] | wagnerrp: | those things are expensive |
| [08:26:27] | Beirdo: | the shipping would be a lot cheaper |
| [08:26:34] | wagnerrp: | the scots buy them up en masse |
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| [08:26:42] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [08:27:01] | Beirdo: | you can buy em for $85 for a "vintage" one... plus shipping |
| [08:27:53] | Beirdo: | even wine barrels would work, I guess, just not the same :) |
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| [08:30:45] | Beirdo: | $35 for a half-barrel, plus $49 shipping from CA |
| [08:30:49] | Beirdo: | (wine) |
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| [09:23:30] | Hydr0p0nX: | well, i got my audio fixed and can now watch/record with one tuner, the other one just throws errors |
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| [09:26:20] | Hydr0p0nX: | anyone familiar with this error? DVBChan(2:/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0) Error: SetChannelByString(13): Failed to initialize multiplex option |
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| [13:06:12] | warped: | Was anybody testing latest master git with starting LiveTV via jump point ? I get segfaults :-( |
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| [13:59:46] | bill6502: | warped: Do you see snd_device_name_hint in your backtrace? If so, http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9907, and if you're refering to |
| [14:00:33] | bill6502: | --jumppoint in the mythfrontend command line, yes, I see it more frequently too |
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| [14:02:02] | warped: | bill6502: are you referring to my q about segfault with launching LiveTV via jump point ? |
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| [14:03:04] | warped: | if so – this is last 2 days regression. I have build from 24/02 and it work pretty well – so segfault is from 25/02 or 26/02 commits |
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| [14:05:04] | bill6502: | warped: perhaps not, in my case I use --jumppoint to get to recorded programs, usually it works, (and I haven't found a way to reproduce |
| [14:05:35] | bill6502: | it every time. But in all cases, the snd_device... is there. |
| [14:06:06] | bill6502: | (in all failing cases) |
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| [14:07:54] | warped: | bill6502: can't say about bt as I'm launching fe under diskless appliance. Getting bt requires some work so usually I'm waiting as somebody else meet the same problem do get bt... |
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| [14:12:58] | bill6502: | warped: OK, can you give my your command line and I'll try it. My FE is on v0.25pre-4671-g5501fff right now, BE is on 4690. I'm about to update the FE |
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| [14:13:16] | bill6502: | which should complete in a few years;) |
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| [14:49:15] | warped: | bill6502: oh, segfault is when I press LiveTV key on remote. This key is mapped to jumping in fe configuration. To reproduce, You may simply map some key in jumpoitns and then press this key to start LiveTV. I'm getting repeatable segfault in such case. |
| [14:52:29] | bill6502: | warped: I used --jumppoint "Live TV"... , and did 2 tests. Both dropped core. The core file is 24MB and this is the 1st time I've ever seen gdb produce just one line backtrace: |
| [14:52:33] | bill6502: | #0 0x00007fedc1a5b239 in QMutex::lock() () from /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libQtCore.so.4 |
| [14:52:50] | bill6502: | I didn't use a remote, just the command line. |
| [14:54:48] | warped: | thx for playing with this. it looks segfault isn't issue of my environment (I was pretty sure it isn't). nice to have confirmation about problem. May You be so kind and fill ticket for this ? You have bt which is really helpful for devs :-) |
| [14:56:04] | warped: | bill6502: how frequently are You using livetv in current master ? |
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| [14:57:25] | bill6502: | warped: Sure, I'll write a ticket. I almost never use Live TV. |
| [14:57:45] | warped: | million thx for this ! |
| [14:58:53] | bill6502: | What version are you running on (just 0.25pre.....) not the whole output of mythfrontend --version? |
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| [15:15:48] | bill6502: | warped: mythfrontend --version | grep 'MythTV Version' please. |
| [15:16:29] | warped: | mythfrontend version: master [20120226-ga3d9891] |
| [15:18:44] | bill6502: | warped: If you: grep 'version: master' mythfrontend.2012022* (or however you store your log files) can you identify when it started failing. Not just the dates you mentioned above. |
| [15:20:12] | warped: | Oh well – previous build (running OK) was from 24/02. So I have to look on all relevant commits from 25 & 26 feb. Lets look at it… |
| [15:23:42] | warped: | build form 24/02 (runningg OK) was gd59f4f4. First candidate to blame might be gd59f4f4 |
| [15:24:03] | warped: | oops I mean 307dac8776 |
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| [15:31:27] | bill6502: | warped: This is what I'll submit to Trac, do you agree? (are you 'warpme' on the mailing list?) |
| [15:35:02] | warped: | yes, my nick is warped. thx for Your help. btw: I didn't see link. do I miss something ? |
| [15:35:25] | warped: | s/warped/warpme/ |
| [15:38:47] | bill6502: | warped: No, much easier to see if I had pasted it: http://pastebin.com/iNEyEnaD |
| [15:43:45] | warped: | Looks nice. As You also are getting segfault I think mentioning about me isn't important. Also my usage case is little different: I'm getting segfault via using remote + jump point mapped to remote key. As You will attach trace from Your system – I think it will be better to describe usage case exactly used to trigger segfault. |
| [15:47:43] | bill6502: | I just wanted to give them an idea when the segvs started and give you credit for finding it (since I rarely use live TV.) |
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| [15:48:21] | warped: | oh I see. sure ! |
| [15:51:59] | bill6502: | warped: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10386. Take care. |
| [15:54:21] | warped: | oh. thx. You too ! |
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| [15:57:46] | Hydr0p0nX: | anyone have any ideas about this error: DVBChan(2:/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0) Error: SetChannelByString(13): Failed to initialize multiplex options ? my analog tuner on the same card (HVR-1600) works fine |
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| [16:16:49] | bill6502: | Hydr0p0nX: In 0.25pre, that error is only printed here: https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . nel.cpp#L305 |
| [16:17:03] | bill6502: | and if it were me, I'd rescan my channels. |
| [16:17:44] | bill6502: | But, I've never seen the error before, and I do have an HVR-1600 card. |
| [16:19:13] | Hydr0p0nX: | i'm on .24.1 |
| [16:21:23] | Hydr0p0nX: | i think i've found the problem |
| [16:21:38] | Hydr0p0nX: | looks like the dvb side is setup twice |
| [16:21:48] | Hydr0p0nX: | at least, according to the db |
| [16:22:48] | Hydr0p0nX: | i'm gonna see if i can find the second instance of it |
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| [16:23:20] | drac_boy: | hi |
| [16:28:43] | bill6502: | Hydr0p0nX: OK. 0.24 looks the same: https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/fixes/0 . . . nel.cpp#L364 |
| [16:30:55] | wagnerrp: | thats normal |
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| [16:31:04] | wagnerrp: | you are supposed to see multiple copies of digital tuners |
| [16:31:15] | drac_boy: | is there a page on the wiki that I'm just not finding or what does mythtv have in choice of video formats? |
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| [16:31:48] | wagnerrp: | drac_boy: you have your choice between rtjpeg in a nuv, or mpeg4(asp) in a nuv |
| [16:32:02] | drac_boy: | rtjpeg? |
| [16:32:08] | drac_boy: | first time I heard of that one |
| [16:32:10] | wagnerrp: | or like most people do, you just stick with whatever your encoder card or digital tuner gives you |
| [16:32:41] | wagnerrp: | youve heard of jpeg presumably? |
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| [16:32:55] | drac_boy: | yeah, but only for static pictures |
| [16:32:56] | wagnerrp: | rtjpeg is just a sequence of jpeg images |
| [16:33:26] | wagnerrp: | i dont really know the particular differences between rtjpeg and mjpeg, or why we chose rtjpeg over the more common mjpeg |
| [16:33:27] | drac_boy: | hmm I imagine its basically a raw video just like wav is raw audio? sorry if thats not good wording |
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| [16:33:37] | wagnerrp: | no, its a jpeg |
| [16:34:01] | drac_boy: | oh I see now thanks wagnerrp |
| [16:35:18] | raydeejay: | I have a logitech harmony 300, set up to emulate keys from an HP MCE remote (which I got from an HP computer that somebody forgot at a store). I can use some of the keys configuring the remote as a 'generic' MCE remote. I'd like to be able to use all the keys. What steps should I take? |
| [16:35:35] | wagnerrp: | jpegs are compressed with discrete cosine transforms, using a dimensionally compressed color overlay |
| [16:36:25] | wagnerrp: | in other words, if you have a 1920x1080 jpeg image, your hue and saturation layers will only be 960x540 in resolution |
| [16:36:37] | wagnerrp: | resulting in 12 bits-per-pixel |
| [16:37:42] | wagnerrp: | mpeg1, mpeg2, mpeg4, h264, vc1... theyre all video formats using similar discrete cosine transforms for lossy compression, typically with a similar 12bpp color compression |
| [16:38:42] | wagnerrp: | the difference is video formats save further information by using P-frames (based off previous video frames) and B-frames (based of previous and subsequent frames) |
| [16:39:08] | wagnerrp: | where as something like rtjpeg, each frame is completely independent on its own |
| [16:39:22] | drac_boy: | mm I see |
| [16:39:24] | drac_boy: | interesting |
| [16:39:37] | wagnerrp: | drac_boy: in any case, you can only select the compression format when using a framegrabber |
| [16:39:54] | wagnerrp: | in all other cases, mythtv just stores whatever format the card outputs |
| [16:40:03] | wagnerrp: | IVTV encoder cards output MPEG2 |
| [16:40:19] | wagnerrp: | HDPVR encoder boxes output H264 |
| [16:40:43] | wagnerrp: | digital tuners output MPEG2 or H264, which ever format the broadcaster decides to compress it with |
| [16:40:50] | drac_boy: | not going to press it too much but it could be interesting if hauppauge or at least someone else decides to try webm for a change |
| [16:41:26] | wagnerrp: | hauppauge is only a high level manufacturer |
| [16:41:54] | wagnerrp: | they take capture chips, tuners, video demodulators, throw them all together on a board, and write drivers |
| [16:42:08] | wagnerrp: | they do not design or manufacture the component chips themselves |
| [16:42:24] | wagnerrp: | so they are at the mercy of the chip designers as to what encoding formats can be supported |
| [16:42:41] | drac_boy: | yeah :-/ |
| [16:46:01] | drac_boy: | at least I think that maybe a new design similar to the technisat skystar card could be welcomed in usa soon considering the fcc's plan to roll out cablecard |
| [16:46:25] | drac_boy: | being able to watch premium channels directly on your cable tuner card could be an interesting event |
| [16:46:30] | wagnerrp: | erm... the FCC enacted their plan to roll out cablecard in 2006 |
| [16:46:39] | pyrodex: | yea I have a CableCard tuner now :) |
| [16:46:43] | pyrodex: | and it's networked.. |
| [16:46:43] | drac_boy: | yeah...but its been taking a long time to actually go around :-s |
| [16:46:47] | drac_boy: | pyrodex nice |
| [16:47:00] | pyrodex: | I've had cable card for 4 years or so |
| [16:47:08] | wagnerrp: | drac_boy: every cable box since 2006 has been required to have a cablecard installed, by law |
| [16:47:25] | wagnerrp: | that modular cablecard is the only form of encryption allowed on digital cable systems |
| [16:47:55] | wagnerrp: | any other decryption not provided through that modular card is illegal (without waiver) |
| [16:49:05] | Hydr0p0nX: | i'm gonna bet that this message has something to do with my problem : cx18–0: Skipped encoder MPEG, MDL 63, 62 times – it must have dropped out of rotation |
| [16:49:23] | Hydr0p0nX: | also noticed that myth is no longer able to open the device |
| [16:49:36] | Hydr0p0nX: | the other tuner works though |
| [16:49:43] | wagnerrp: | Hydr0p0nX: this is /dev/video0 on your -1600? |
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| [16:50:39] | Hydr0p0nX: | naa, this interface : /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 |
| [16:50:41] | Hydr0p0nX: | video0 works |
| [16:50:53] | wagnerrp: | you have that set up as a DVB tuner? |
| [16:51:13] | Hydr0p0nX: | yes, /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 is setup as dvb |
| [16:51:17] | wagnerrp: | you dont potentially have multiple copies of the backend running on that system? |
| [16:51:24] | wagnerrp: | or some other application that may be using that tuner? |
| [16:51:28] | drac_boy: | wagnerrp btw I was thinking more of skipping the cable box itself and only get the cablecard from the tv provider for your own recorder pc which would have something a bit like the dual skystar hd 2 + ci slot hd 2 cards design |
| [16:51:53] | wagnerrp: | drac_boy: mythtv has had support for the HDHomeRun Prime since mid-2010 |
| [16:52:11] | wagnerrp: | it takes a single cablecard, and has three tuners |
| [16:52:19] | pyrodex: | yup, love mine |
| [16:52:23] | Hydr0p0nX: | nope |
| [16:52:25] | wagnerrp: | however cablecard only applies to digital cable |
| [16:52:39] | wagnerrp: | it cannot be used for subscription satellite, as the skystar is designed for |
| [16:52:58] | drac_boy: | wagnerrp oh ic I don't know why I never noticed that one before. yeah that was pretty much exactly what I was thinking of |
| [16:53:01] | drac_boy: | hm, well thanks a lot |
| [16:53:19] | wagnerrp: | there is no way to access subscription satellite in north america (dishnet, directtv) without satellite company hardware, and analog capture |
| [16:53:48] | drac_boy: | well I think I did mentioned 'cable tuner card' before tho |
| [16:53:56] | drac_boy: | and yeah I know that satellite is still a bit of a pain yet |
| [16:54:38] | drac_boy: | I never liked the bell or rogers cable boxes anyway, they always seem to have some issues. not to mention that the earlier roger basic boxes have a really SLOW channel guide scroll too |
| [16:55:02] | drac_boy: | hold the channel button down, and it only changes like one channel each 3–4 seconds, a bit of a joke |
| [16:59:42] | Hydr0p0nX: | k, i think a reboot fixed it, i'm going to check |
| [17:00:42] | drac_boy: | hmm think the small hdhomerun dual looks interesting enough to try find out how much it would cost here |
| [17:01:00] | wagnerrp: | bill6502: have i ever told you how much i love you? |
| [17:01:19] | drac_boy: | might doubt the ethernet throughput tho but hmm....for one channel should be ok |
| [17:01:29] | wagnerrp: | "Please attach all output as a file in bug reports." |
| [17:01:35] | wagnerrp: | and its attached as a file! |
| [17:01:38] | drac_boy: | heh |
| [17:01:42] | wagnerrp: | SOMEONE WHO ACTUALLY READS! |
| [17:01:53] | drac_boy: | heh heh heh |
| [17:01:56] | ** wagnerrp is ecstatic ** | |
| [17:02:09] | drac_boy: | someone who doesn't need to be shown to RTFM? :-) |
| [17:02:52] | wagnerrp: | i put that little change in there i believe prior to the 0.23 release |
| [17:02:58] | wagnerrp: | it was at least prior to 0.23.1 |
| [17:03:07] | wagnerrp: | but its so rarely followed |
| [17:03:38] | wagnerrp: | that whole mess of "Options compiled in" renders any form of keyword searching in trac completely useless when people paste the text directly into the ticket |
| [17:06:01] | drac_boy: | hm the 2-page pdf doesn't say too much, I assume theres no compression on the ethernet video streaming from the hdhomerun? |
| [17:06:11] | pyrodex: | Nope |
| [17:06:27] | wagnerrp: | drac_boy: same as any other digital tuner, the compression is whatever the broadcaster applies |
| [17:06:35] | wagnerrp: | which means MPEG2 video, AC3 audio |
| [17:07:15] | pyrodex: | Silicon's documentation is semi lacking but they have decent forums. |
| [17:08:15] | wagnerrp: | if the HDHR didnt have any compression, a 1080i30 channel would consume 3/4ths of a gigabit connection |
| [17:08:16] | drac_boy: | hm so I guess in that case its probably about up to 11Mb bit rate roughly? |
| [17:08:32] | wagnerrp: | its whatever the broadcaster sends you |
| [17:08:40] | drac_boy: | pyrodex mm I'll have to check their forum after my afternoon then |
| [17:08:49] | wagnerrp: | ATSC can go up to 19.4Mbps |
| [17:09:05] | wagnerrp: | a typical HD channel will usually run 12–16Mbps |
| [17:09:33] | wagnerrp: | PBS will usually run a bit lower, since they tend to have several SD subchannels |
| [17:09:39] | pyrodex: | drac_boy: I love mine so much... I have two 3CC's and they are in the closet with my Tuning Adapters and my backend is somewhere else. |
| [17:09:41] | drac_boy: | 20Mb hmm it perhaps could work just fine after all then |
| [17:10:03] | drac_boy: | pyrodex heh ok |
| [17:10:08] | wagnerrp: | drac_boy: note, the HDHR is UDP traffic |
| [17:10:17] | wagnerrp: | it is connectionless, and there is no recovery |
| [17:10:21] | wagnerrp: | lost packets are just lost |
| [17:10:22] | pyrodex: | yup... no TCP =\ |
| [17:10:29] | pyrodex: | so have a good network |
| [17:10:40] | pyrodex: | and I recommend Gigabit. |
| [17:10:48] | wagnerrp: | that means if you expect to be running other traffic through the same network as the HDHR, you want gigabit |
| [17:10:49] | drac_boy: | I think I'll rather go with the small basic hdhomerun btw. only need one cablecard and none of the other extras as well |
| [17:11:00] | wagnerrp: | you dont want to risk getting close to saturation |
| [17:11:19] | pyrodex: | Smallest one is a the 3CC that takes a CableCard. Don't be fooled by the 2 tuner ones, those aren't CableCard units |
| [17:11:41] | wagnerrp: | pyrodex: well, there is a 2-tuner HDHR Prime |
| [17:11:47] | pyrodex: | but its OTA |
| [17:11:53] | wagnerrp: | no, cablecard |
| [17:12:05] | pyrodex: | Oh the Hauppage unit |
| [17:12:13] | pyrodex: | designed by SD |
| [17:12:21] | wagnerrp: | http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_dcr2650.html |
| [17:12:34] | pyrodex: | but it's USB and doesn't have a dedicated TA USB port so the TA has to be tied to the PC if you need a TA for SDV |
| [17:12:38] | wagnerrp: | it really is just a HDHRP |
| [17:12:44] | drac_boy: | pyrodex oh just realized it now after you mentioned it .... hm |
| [17:12:44] | pyrodex: | Therefore your at the mercy of TA drivers. |
| [17:13:14] | wagnerrp: | they remove the ethernet and USB host jacks, and add a USB client jack |
| [17:13:39] | pyrodex: | Yea, if your provider uses SDV with a Tuning Adapter you have to hook it to the Backend. |
| [17:13:41] | wagnerrp: | if you look at the HDHRP internals, you can see the holes on the board where it gets soldered on |
| [17:13:55] | wagnerrp: | yeah, if you use SDV, the Prime is your only option |
| [17:14:07] | drac_boy: | not too sure if I'm much of a fan for the Prime but hmm |
| [17:14:07] | wagnerrp: | as there is no linux support for tuning adapters at this time |
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| [17:14:14] | wagnerrp: | nor is there mythtv support for managing them |
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| [17:14:53] | pyrodex: | Yea. |
| [17:15:06] | pyrodex: | I think most providers are going to SDV to free up bandwidth for growth |
| [17:15:30] | wagnerrp: | maybe |
| [17:15:39] | wagnerrp: | i doubt someone like verizon will ever switch |
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| [17:16:02] | pyrodex: | Nah verizon has enough bandwidth but they aren't growing into anymore markets from what I've heard. |
| [17:16:38] | wagnerrp: | well the difference with verizon in relation to other cable companies is that traditional cable uses the same spectrum for internet |
| [17:17:15] | Jordack: | Anyone got a HomeRun Prime working? Mine will only get a lock if i have win media center watching another channel (fc15 0.24.1) |
| [17:17:16] | wagnerrp: | internet shares the same ~5Gbps of bandwidth, so to support more users, you either need fewer channels, or smaller broadcast domains |
| [17:17:39] | pyrodex: | Jordack: I do, I used mine on 0.24+fixes but recently switched to 0.25 |
| [17:17:42] | wagnerrp: | verizon runs their internet on a separate laser carrier |
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| [17:18:12] | wagnerrp: | Jordack: how is your Prime configured? using the IP address or autodetect code? |
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| [17:18:57] | pyrodex: | As charter switches more channels to SDV they seem to be bumping out new HD channels and also increasing modem bandwidth for free. |
| [17:18:59] | Jordack: | wagn, auto i think. shoudl i delete adn add by IP? |
| [17:19:17] | pyrodex: | 0.24 needs by IP according to the guide I used |
| [17:19:23] | Jordack: | pyrodex: You building your own? |
| [17:19:34] | Jordack: | will try deleteing and readd by ip |
| [17:19:49] | pyrodex: | Jordack: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Configuring_MythTV . . . omeRun_Prime |
| [17:19:52] | pyrodex: | follow that guide. |
| [17:19:56] | wagnerrp: | pyrodex: however in an older version of mythtv, there was an issue with only being able to access the first tuner when configuring using the IP |
| [17:20:07] | pyrodex: | wagnerrp: ahhh |
| [17:20:09] | wagnerrp: | i dont recall off hand when the fix went in |
| [17:20:22] | Jordack: | did, maybe i was lazy with the ip. will run through it again. thanks |
| [17:20:25] | wagnerrp: | even if you told it to access the second or third tuner, it would ignore you and hit the first |
| [17:20:41] | wagnerrp: | which was a real problem if the first was already recording some other show at the time |
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| [17:21:01] | drac_boy: | think I better go find some lunch now, maybe talk more about this again next time pyrodex |
| [17:21:03] | drac_boy: | bye now :-) |
| [17:21:17] | pyrodex: | i always used 0.24+fixes from mythbuntu from the beginning and never had that issue personally. |
| [17:21:22] | pyrodex: | np drac_boy |
| [17:21:30] | wagnerrp: | Jordack: honest, i would seriously consider updating to 0.25 if you want to use a prime |
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| [17:21:57] | pyrodex: | Jordack: I agree with wagnerrp SO much better experiences with 0.25 and prime. |
| [17:22:34] | Jordack: | any way to upgrade without building your own? I mean anyone released rpms yet? (or i can google that) |
| [17:22:57] | Jordack: | and will my .24 frontend work with a .25 backend? |
| [17:23:12] | wagnerrp: | yes, maybe, no |
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| [17:25:22] | Jordack: | just rebuild the front tv machine. had an issue with the radeon driver. so while it was down my wife took up knitting. not sure what she will do with those needles if its down much longer |
| [17:25:35] | Hydr0p0nX: | so, i rebooted and i no longer get the error about the skipped encoder |
| [17:25:49] | Hydr0p0nX: | but, i still can't open the device |
| [17:26:52] | Hydr0p0nX: | try to do a cat /dev/dvb/... >test.mpg and get invalid argument |
| [17:28:05] | Hydr0p0nX: | permissions match the working analog tuner |
| [17:32:10] | Hydr0p0nX: | i do still get the failed to initilaize multiplex options message in myth though, i'm guessing this because i can't get a stream from it |
| [17:33:37] | pyrodex: | bbl time to watch some Ghost Adventure. |
| [17:35:58] | raydeejay: | I have a logitech harmony 300, set up to emulate keys from an HP MCE remote (which I got from an HP computer that somebody forgot at a store). I can use some of the keys configuring the remote as a 'generic' MCE remote. I'd like to be able to use all the keys. What steps should I take? |
| [17:37:04] | bill6502: | wagnerrp: re: 11:01:19 AM, no you haven't, and I sure hope that's the name of a song I've never heard (or perhaps attaching version.txt files) ;) |
| [17:37:50] | wagnerrp: | raydeejay: use the MCEUSB config files within LIRC |
| [17:38:07] | wagnerrp: | and there should be a "windows media center" profile on the harmony you can start from |
| [17:38:24] | wagnerrp: | then just program it however you want further |
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| [17:44:30] | angelus11: | Afternoon, I am having a bit of trouble changing the ownership of a directory on my video storage drive. I do the sudo chown mythtv:mythtv directory but it changes it to the mythtv- owner and is not accessable by myth |
| [17:45:15] | wagnerrp: | storage groups or local drives? |
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| [17:46:10] | angelus11: | storage groups |
| [17:46:23] | wagnerrp: | 0.24 or 0.25? |
| [17:46:26] | angelus11: | .25 |
| [17:47:04] | wagnerrp: | in 0.25, mythfrontend will try to access the filesystem directly if it thinks it should be able to access the file |
| [17:47:21] | wagnerrp: | does the user running the frontend have rights? |
| [17:47:27] | angelus11: | Apparently on the frontend it is not able to read/write the directory even though it belongs to the mythtv group |
| [17:48:09] | angelus11: | I beleive so |
| [17:48:12] | wagnerrp: | is this a non-native filesystem? |
| [17:48:17] | wagnerrp: | like fat32 or ntfs? |
| [17:48:29] | angelus11: | it is an ext4 hardware Raid 5 array |
| [17:48:43] | angelus11: | located on the master backend |
| [17:50:31] | wizbit: | i bet i will not notice any difference between .24 and .25 |
| [17:51:58] | Jordack: | well looks like there are no rpms for 24.2 and that 25 may be my best option. |
| [17:52:12] | Jordack: | opinion question: shoudl i remove the rpms before building 25? |
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| [18:02:53] | Hydr0p0nX: | I enabled some debug logging, cleared logs, and restarted the backend, can someone take a look at the dvb data in the log, http://pastebin.com/MDaE94u5 |
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| [18:21:59] | raydeejay: | wagnerrp, there's something I don't understand.... there's a configuration for "remote=mceusb, button=More" (that button works) in my lircrc file, but there's no button 'More' in the mceusb definition, it's in the 'mceusb_hauppauge' definition... why does it work? :S |
| [18:23:52] | raydeejay: | wagnerrp, forget it, it is there... |
| [18:24:58] | Jordack: | remotes; thoses are fun. |
| [18:25:48] | bill6502: | Hydr0p0nX: Tell me the -v options you used and I'll try to duplicate what you see. Do you have a channel 1? (2012-02–26 11:58:25.499 TVRec(4): Start channel: 1) |
| [18:29:00] | Hydr0p0nX: | yes |
| [18:29:24] | Hydr0p0nX: | -v media,dvbcam,playback,channel,extra |
| [18:29:56] | Hydr0p0nX: | I can try moving it to 3 or 4, but i get that same message with any channel i try |
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| [18:40:06] | bill6502: | Hydr0p0nX: I see this: dtvchannel.cpp:181 (SetChannelByString) – DTVChan(/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0): SetChannelByString(5_1):, although I'm |
| [18:40:27] | bill6502: | on 0.25pre, tuning ATSC and I did the test using LiveTV. |
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| [18:55:36] | ThisNewGuy: | hey all – I recently pulled from master and noticed the fix that metadatalookup doesn't grab inetrefs from my power search rules – would you accept a patch to bring this functionality back? |
| [18:57:07] | wagnerrp: | meaning an inetref stored against a power search rule does not get applied to recordings made by it? |
| [18:57:46] | ThisNewGuy: | correct |
| [18:59:14] | wagnerrp: | considering that behavior is different from normal operation, im going to guess it is intentional |
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| [19:02:51] | ThisNewGuy: | yeah – it looks like it was intentional but I would argue that if you don't want the inetref to be copied from a rule, why not just make the value in the rule empty? This seems to me like it takes away functionality. |
| [19:03:29] | wagnerrp: | i would discuss that with iamlindoro |
| [19:03:54] | wagnerrp: | i agree that there are some uses of power rules where they are only going to match a single series, and you would benefit from an inetref |
| [19:04:08] | wagnerrp: | but there are likely to be a lot more that dont |
| [19:04:36] | wagnerrp: | for instance, the rule sph ery uses to automatically record any new primetime shows |
| [19:05:07] | wagnerrp: | i havent yet found the code in question, but im betting preventing such was a sanity check to ensure such did not happen |
| [19:06:05] | wagnerrp: | perhaps one could popup a warning before storing the inetref against a power rule |
| [19:06:35] | wagnerrp: | or do some sort of intelligent parsing of the statement to determine if it would likely only apply to a single series |
| [19:07:59] | ThisNewGuy: | yeah – I have both cases and for me using an inetref when it's always one series while not using it if it will match multiple series handles both cases |
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| [19:13:41] | wagnerrp: | ThisNewGuy: im not actually seeing any special handling of kPowerSearch-type rules |
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| [19:17:04] | ThisNewGuy: | I recently saw a commit that mentioned this and I saw the behavior in a rule last night but I haven't tracked down the code yet – lemme see if I can find the commit |
| [19:17:33] | wagnerrp: | there were some on the 18th, more on the 20th |
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| [19:22:43] | ThisNewGuy: | from the 15th: https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/c60f3 . . . a339f3b3a2f5 |
| [19:24:26] | wagnerrp: | ah, i was looking through the various program/recordinginfo/rule files |
| [19:24:43] | wagnerrp: | well then... dekarl ^^^^ |
| [19:24:57] | Jordack: | so tring to build 25 rpms and i get this error "File not found: /root/rpmbuild/BUILDROOT/mythtv-0.25–0.1.git.4693.g878d5eb.fc15.x86_64/usr /bin/mythffplay" nothing else reffers to mythffplay any thoughts? |
| [19:26:53] | wagnerrp: | you know, youre the second person ive heard complain of that |
| [19:27:09] | wagnerrp: | i have no idea whats going on with that executable |
| [19:27:32] | wagnerrp: | supposedly it was supposed to have been added over a year ago when mythffmpeg was |
| [19:27:43] | Jordack: | well i read on a post if i try build 4650 it doesnt happen. not sure how to do that |
| [19:27:43] | wagnerrp: | and indeed, many people seem to have it |
| [19:27:55] | wagnerrp: | ive never seen it get built on any of my systems |
| [19:27:59] | wagnerrp: | freebsd or gentoo |
| [19:28:07] | wagnerrp: | nor do i see any error related to it |
| [19:28:28] | wagnerrp: | or have any idea what i might be missing that is causing it to be disabled |
| [19:29:00] | Jordack: | it comes right adter processing mythffmpeg. im assuming that is needed |
| [19:29:38] | wagnerrp: | mythffmpeg was supposed to provide a copy of ffmpeg based off myth's internal copy of the ffmpeg libraries |
| [19:29:55] | wagnerrp: | it was supposed to give external video processing scripts a static tool to target |
| [19:30:17] | wagnerrp: | rather than the plethora of ffmpeg versions, with different command line options, that may exist on a user's system |
| [19:32:28] | Jordack: | well im gonna comment it out from the .spec file and see what happens |
| [19:32:52] | wagnerrp: | ah, if youre generating mythffmpeg, but lacking mythffplay, you dont have the sdl libraries installed |
| [19:34:36] | Jordack: | sdl is installed but installed the devel just incase. now back to playing battlefield while it compiles |
| [19:34:57] | wagnerrp: | bah... dev packages |
| [19:35:07] | wagnerrp: | worthless |
| [19:35:44] | Jordack: | well i dont consder myself a noob with linux but more of an advanced-nood. programing is not my strong set |
| [19:36:38] | wagnerrp: | no, i consider packaging systems that handle "dev packages" independently as worthless |
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| [19:37:22] | wagnerrp: | theres no point to it |
| [19:37:51] | wagnerrp: | spending GB of storage on binary executables and libraries |
| [19:38:07] | wagnerrp: | but choosing for some reason that you cant afford the space the header files take up? |
| [19:42:12] | wagnerrp: | the base freebsd install is about 225MB of binaries and 40 of share... to 18MB of includes |
| [19:42:45] | wagnerrp: | my installed packages are just under 1GB, plus another 450MB of share... for a measily 39MB of includes |
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| [19:43:30] | wagnerrp: | unless youre trying to cram everything down to a 128MB CF card or something |
| [19:43:41] | wagnerrp: | theres no reason not to always include the headers |
| [19:43:55] | wagnerrp: | as it just results in a hassle if the user ever wants to build something of their own |
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| [19:48:06] | Hydr0p0nX: | i agree wagnerrp, i just dealt with that issue last night on centos |
| [19:48:41] | Hydr0p0nX: | was almost enough to make me want to throw it out and start over |
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| [20:23:52] | drac_boy: | hi |
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| [20:56:47] | sphery: | wagnerrp: but do you realize HDD space might cost as much as $0.06/GB these days? That means having 180MB of header files in /usr/include could cost me almost 1.1 pennies! |
| [20:57:09] | sphery: | maybe you have that kind of money to waste, but not all of us do |
| [20:57:55] | wizbit: | i certainly dont |
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| [21:00:22] | drac_boy: | sphery heh well don't forget there are these people that have perfectly working older hds too :-) |
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| [21:02:54] | sphery: | I still use a 13.6GB HDD on one of my systems--and have a full debugging/development install of my full OS (that means headers, which are seriously about 180MB, and debug symbols, which are about 2x as large as the binaries on the system--something like 3GB), and still have several GB free |
| [21:03:23] | sphery: | FWIW, those HDDs in the 13.6 – 15GB range were built to last... |
| [21:03:31] | wizbit: | seagate? |
| [21:03:37] | sphery: | I /want/ it to die so I have an excuse to replace it |
| [21:03:58] | wizbit: | sphery: do you have a lot of boxes burning electric |
| [21:03:59] | sphery: | I have a 15GB Seagate, the 13.6 is a Maxtor |
| [21:05:02] | sphery: | I have 10 computers plus one laptop. 4 on all the time. 3 others on all the time when I'm not traveling. 3 others are project-specific |
| [21:05:19] | sphery: | the laptop only on when I'm actively using it |
| [21:05:38] | wizbit: | 10 computers jeeeze |
| [21:06:07] | wizbit: | do you feel guilty about burning too much electric |
| [21:06:30] | sphery: | hehe, no |
| [21:06:35] | [R]: | burning electric? |
| [21:06:36] | [R]: | wtf |
| [21:06:45] | wizbit: | *using |
| [21:07:06] | wizbit: | sphery: a bet your electric bill is expensive |
| [21:07:08] | wizbit: | *i |
| [21:07:12] | sphery: | not bad |
| [21:07:31] | sphery: | usually < $100/mo, except in mid summer, when it can hit $150/mo |
| [21:07:48] | wizbit: | ok |
| [21:08:23] | sphery: | and, btw, I run setiathome on the 7 computers that are basically on all the time--meaning I get absolutely no benefit from idle power usage savings |
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| [21:08:51] | [R]: | do you win a million dollars if your computer finds the aliens? |
| [21:08:57] | ** drac_boy would actually charge you for excessive bills if you were a tentant in my house ** | |
| [21:09:31] | sphery: | (i.e. all are going full bore all the time. With my old Athlon XPs, I had measured a difference of $1.50/mo with/without SETI@home--and those had minimal power savings at idle compared to today's Athlon IIs and Core 2/i's.) |
| [21:09:59] | wizbit: | sphery: your begining to sound like 'clever' |
| [21:10:03] | sphery: | I have a feeling if my computer found the aliens, my name might be mentioned in the news relase |
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| [21:10:36] | sphery: | however, I, personally, would be very confused by the fact that the project itself found aliens |
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| [21:11:07] | sphery: | (I don't expect SETI@home to ever succeed at finding evidence of intelligent life) |
| [21:11:28] | drac_boy: | wizbit to be honest, my computers here even if for some reason were all on at the same time would still quite easily run off a hallway-closet sized battery pack for more than a day quite easily :-) |
| [21:11:36] | sphery: | (there would have to be a lot of lucky breaks for them to do it) |
| [21:11:40] | drac_boy: | that says something about some of my particular hardware picks |
| [21:12:18] | wizbit: | i have a IBM NetVista 6568 in my cupboard, i need to find how much watts it burns |
| [21:12:30] | drac_boy: | wizbit do you know what kind of cpu it had? |
| [21:12:45] | sphery: | I need to measure it for all my new Athlon II-based systems |
| [21:12:56] | wizbit: | drac_boy: PIII |
| [21:13:35] | drac_boy: | P3 hmm well if its an office computer knowing ibm then its probably only doing 30–100W without counting any disc useages |
| [21:13:36] | wizbit: | i wonder if i can replace the psu inside it with something what is much more efficient |
| [21:14:12] | [R]: | sphery: if you dont expect it to actually find aliens, why don't you do something more useful? |
| [21:14:24] | wizbit: | like save power |
| [21:14:25] | drac_boy: | efficient? yeah if you don't mind making a custom plate for the atx hole in rear you could replace it with a 160W or 200W dc-dc psu for $40 plus find an old dell laptop power brick to run it (unless you want to buy a new one instead) |
| [21:14:42] | [R]: | sphery: theres some cancer programs and math programs that ahve a real goal... |
| [21:14:47] | drac_boy: | the dc-dc itself runs at 90–98% and the brick I think can't be too far off |
| [21:15:30] | sphery: | well, just because the chances of succeeding are exceedingly low doesn't mean it's not worth trying :) |
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| [21:15:54] | wizbit: | do old IBM PCs use standard PSUs or are they specially made for the machines? |
| [21:15:58] | wizbit: | http://www.delllow.com/product/image/755/1_94658848e5e9.jpg |
| [21:16:03] | drac_boy: | standard |
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| [21:16:18] | wizbit: | drac_boy: do they have a special name |
| [21:16:21] | drac_boy: | its not like dell where it was either odd sized or had an un-atx 20pin pinout |
| [21:16:38] | wizbit: | drac_boy: so i can buy any old PSU and it will work with it? |
| [21:16:57] | drac_boy: | yeah |
| [21:17:22] | wizbit: | interesting |
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| [21:18:29] | wizbit: | drac_boy: http://partsarcade.com/images/detailed/10/2324-2340-large.jpg |
| [21:18:31] | wizbit: | that is the psu |
| [21:18:52] | wizbit: | looks pretty stanard |
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| [22:25:01] | Beirdo: | yay, my compressor is finally on the way |
| [22:25:23] | [R]: | what compressino scheme? |
| [22:25:32] | Beirdo: | Took 5 days to package the thing, apparently |
| [22:25:39] | Beirdo: | dbx 266xl |
| [22:25:40] | [R]: | big algorithm... |
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| [22:27:52] | wizbit: | Beirdo: why not use a VST |
| [22:28:05] | wizbit: | dbx.266xl.VST |
| [22:30:12] | Beirdo: | Huh? |
| [22:31:03] | Beirdo: | I don't want crappy software pseudo-studio equipment. I want real studio equipment |
| [22:32:17] | wizbit: | Beirdo: what kind of music do you make |
| [22:32:41] | Beirdo: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSlzamEVQYA |
| [22:32:46] | Beirdo: | as in one of those |
| [22:33:01] | Beirdo: | for me, I'm going to use it most for vocal |
| [22:34:08] | jya: | is there a way to change the runtime prefix when starting mythfrontend ? |
| [22:34:45] | [R]: | isn't that compiled in? |
| [22:34:58] | Beirdo: | jya: not that I know of |
| [22:35:17] | wagnerrp: | runtime prefix? |
| [22:35:33] | jya: | my point exactly.. I want to know if it's possible to change it at run time.. I'm trying to compile myth for mac, using the system build tools rather than a os-bundler custom perl script I don't understand |
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| [22:36:02] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [22:36:36] | Beirdo: | sounds like an advanced course in banging your head on the wall to me :) |
| [22:37:04] | [R]: | you know, when i was a kid and i told my mom i was bored she would tell me to go bang my head against the wall... and she denies it now |
| [22:37:28] | jya: | Beirdo: it may be, but right now I can compile mythtv and al lthe plugins against the Qt SDK downloadable online. So my build time goes from 4+ hours to 2 minutes.. |
| [22:37:33] | jya: | now if only I could run it :) |
| [22:37:53] | jya: | [R]: did you ever follow her advice ? :P |
| [22:38:14] | [R]: | lol |
| [22:38:38] | Beirdo: | nice |
| [22:39:05] | Beirdo: | if he didn't, he'd be {R} |
| [22:40:08] | jya: | the current osx-bundler.pl script, doesn't how how to handle anything by .dylib dependency ; with the Qt SDK, all Qt libs are in Frameworks instead, so the build ultimately fail |
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| [22:45:12] | Beirdo: | gotcha |
| [22:45:22] | Beirdo: | I'm not saying it's not worth doing... just OUCH |
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| [22:53:25] | jya: | what I don't get is how the bundler perl script update the runtime prefix, because it's different after running the perl script... |
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| [23:06:18] | ** jya wonder why they always forces mythtv be compiled as 32 bin apps. 64 bits works just fine ** | |
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| [23:23:42] | jya: | I'm yet to manager to install jpabq new theme |
| [23:23:54] | jya: | it always hang on "downloading.. |
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| [23:27:15] | jya: | Beirdo: rebase is the command to use on the mac to change the runtime prefix… FYI |
| [23:29:16] | Roklobsta: | If I am recording a DVB stream and the TV transmitter drops the signal (as has been happening lately here) MythTV stops recording. Is there some setting to try and keep the card open and relock for a duration of up to 2 mins? |
| [23:30:20] | Roklobsta: | can mythtv be made to automatically try to restart the recording? |
| [23:32:28] | wagnerrp: | mythtv should report the recording as bad, and attempt to schedule another instance of it |
| [23:32:42] | wagnerrp: | at least i believe 0.25 does so |
| [23:36:47] | ertyu-m: | .24 won't reschedule failed recordings? |
| [23:44:40] | Hydr0p0nX: | .24 reschedules if i start it late |
| [23:45:52] | Hydr0p0nX: | is there a way to prefer hd recording over sd ? |
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| [23:55:53] | k-man: | jya, are you awake? |
| [23:56:03] | jya: | i am |
| [23:56:22] | k-man: | i noticed you did some updates to the osx build scripts recently |
| [23:56:29] | jya: | i did |
| [23:57:02] | jya: | i have another change comming, that doesn't require compiling Qt |
| [23:57:12] | jya: | are you having issues compiling ? |
| [23:57:13] | k-man: | i've been woring on a mac homebrew script to build mythtv and i wondered if you think there might be any use for such a script? |
| [23:57:39] | jya: | k-man: for sure, does it do any more than what the current scripts do? |
| [23:57:59] | k-man: | imho, using mac homebrew could make the script a lot simpler, as it builds on the work of others for all the depends |
| [23:58:25] | jya: | I'm not familiar with homebrew. |
| [23:58:41] | jya: | Having said that, the only issue building myth is the Qt compilation that takes forever |
| [23:58:45] | jya: | and gets broken often |
| [23:59:18] | jya: | if we can rely on using the Qt SDK instead that you can download from Nokia/Qt, then compiling becomes trivial |
| [23:59:27] | k-man: | homebrew is a new alternative to mac ports, but imho its much better and quite simple for people to create and contribute ports |
| [23:59:32] | k-man: | err build scripts |
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