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| [00:11:52] | RokLobsta: | hmmm, if i get a new mobo with integrated gfx is something with AMD or Intel GPU on board likely to be supported well with VAAPI in the next 12 months? |
| [00:12:14] | RokLobsta: | it's a shame you can't get amd/nvidia inyegrated boards any more. |
| [00:13:48] | RagingMind: | wagnerrp, so... is schedules direct the okay one? |
| [00:14:57] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: so, I have 636 rows in channels table (to answer your question from last night) |
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| [00:36:29] | sphery: | smoothifier: were you the one who was talking about creating a temp storage group earlier? if so, don't.. they're /built-in/ storage groups, so you shouldn't be creating them |
| [00:36:58] | smoothifier: | sphery: yes, that was me. i can delete them, no problem |
| [00:37:04] | sphery: | what you need to do is make it so the user running mythfrontend and mythbackend has write permission to your $HOME/.mythtv directory |
| [00:37:22] | sphery: | even if your distro uses a brain-dead configuration where they symlink $HOME/.mythtv to /etc/mythtv |
| [00:37:33] | smoothifier: | the user is mythtv and that directory is his |
| [00:37:54] | smoothifier: | right now i'm running memtest86+ |
| [00:38:12] | smoothifier: | my mythfrontend crashes are sporadic |
| [00:38:30] | sphery: | mythfrontend and mythbackend run as mythtv |
| [00:38:37] | sphery: | and $HOME/.mythtv exists and is his |
| [00:38:42] | smoothifier: | i believe so, yes |
| [00:39:01] | smoothifier: | the mythtv user is the main login |
| [00:39:03] | sphery: | and $HOME/.mythtv is the same directory in the environment in which you run mythbackend and mythfrontend (i.e .the scripts that start them)? |
| [00:39:45] | smoothifier: | mythbacked starts with a systemctl script |
| [00:40:06] | smoothifier: | mythfrontend is called by mythtv at the start of xfce |
| [00:40:32] | smoothifier: | also from a command prompt as it has been crashing :/ |
| [00:40:44] | jya: | wagnerrp: the incorrect xmtvid somehow got attached to a channel |
| [00:41:09] | sphery: | smoothifier: well, there is http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging |
| [00:41:14] | jya: | no idea on how this could have happened (I did rescan for channels, but only for new channels) |
| [00:41:52] | smoothifier: | sphery: okay i'll reboot and give it a shot |
| [00:41:53] | jya: | anyhow: correcting the xmltvid , running mythfilldatabase several time: the channel still shows the wrong programs for that channel |
| [00:42:45] | sphery: | RagingMind: Schedules Direct is a great source of listings data (and is legal and complies with all terms of service)... not sure exactly what you were asking, though |
| [00:43:15] | jya: | how do I refresh all the channel listing ??? |
| [00:44:14] | knightr: | wagnerrp, Thank you! I don't get it though why they don't make sure the scale used to report the SNR is the same for all the drivers... That should be part of their API... If for some reason they can't do it at the driver level they should report the scale so that we can make the computation ourselves... |
| [00:45:07] | knightr: | sphery, np and thank you! |
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| [00:48:19] | plink212: | Hi, I bought a new firewire cable box the other day it is a dcx-3200, weirdly the firewire id does not start 00- it starts cc- has anyone ever seen this before? |
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| [00:56:22] | smoothifier: | sphery: mythtvsetup just hung and it looked like it was right after OpenGL was called |
| [00:57:03] | smoothifier: | i'm downloading the debug packages... will be doing that for a while, 792M |
| [00:57:33] | sphery: | smoothifier: logs to pastebin, please |
| [00:57:45] | smoothifier: | sure thing |
| [00:58:31] | sphery: | and what do you mean by "hung"? proper UI but non-responsive? background only? black screen? ... |
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| [01:01:23] | smoothifier: | this time the background loaded |
| [01:01:30] | smoothifier: | it looks like it's nvidia drivers |
| [01:01:35] | smoothifier: | i'll post the log |
| [01:02:14] | sphery: | may need to reinstall nvidia drivers |
| [01:02:20] | sphery: | many times the install doesn't work properly |
| [01:03:09] | wagnerrp: | RagingComputer: schedules direct is the only one out of the three that is completely legitimate and properly licensed |
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| [01:03:43] | wagnerrp: | there is a screen scraper for the directtv website, and while reading through the various terms of use, i didn't find anything that specifically disallowed such access |
| [01:04:34] | wagnerrp: | but they are generally frowned upon, and more over, have to be constantly maintained against even minor changes to the website, and are not something you want to rely upon if there are better alternatives |
| [01:04:34] | smoothifier: | http://pastebin.com/unDQqe9T |
| [01:04:45] | smoothifier: | every crash calls libnvidia |
| [01:05:35] | smoothifier: | i can try a mythfrontend one if i get the right arguments for -v |
| [01:05:36] | wagnerrp: | RagingComputer: the third one snags the microsoft MCE data feed, which by all rights falls under federal wire and data access laws |
| [01:05:48] | wagnerrp: | and is illegal for reasons far beyond simple copyright issues |
| [01:06:21] | wagnerrp: | of course its closed source so you cant actually tell what its doing |
| [01:06:45] | wagnerrp: | and it keeps moving around and popping up under different sites, as existing ones are seized and taken down |
| [01:08:12] | smoothifier: | i had the same issues earlier today with my former install. perhaps my card is unstable with this version of the driver |
| [01:08:44] | wagnerrp: | plink212: bought a cable box? |
| [01:09:30] | sphery: | smoothifier: I need mythtv-setup logs |
| [01:09:39] | smoothifier: | okay |
| [01:10:02] | smoothifier: | how can i provide you with them? |
| [01:10:17] | plink212: | wagnerrp: yes bought at retail, i am looking to replace my dct-6200s with the dcx-3200 due to the difference in heat they give off. this is the first one as a test |
| [01:10:19] | smoothifier: | mythtvsetup -v all? |
| [01:10:39] | sphery: | mythtv-setup --logpath /tmp |
| [01:10:43] | sphery: | no, not -v all |
| [01:10:51] | smoothifier: | okay |
| [01:11:15] | sphery: | -v all generally drowns out the signal with noise |
| [01:11:43] | sphery: | -v all is a punt when you've run out of things to try--it shouldn't be a first choice |
| [01:11:51] | sphery: | default logging is generally a good first choice :) |
| [01:12:18] | jya: | wagnerrp: you've reworked mythfilldatabase.. how do you force a refresh for a particular channel (or all of them) ? --refresh-all --refresh today, or --refresh all --refresh today have no effect whatsoever |
| [01:13:43] | sphery: | jya: also, try: mythfilldatabase --help refresh |
| [01:14:00] | smoothifier: | sphery: it doesn't like --logpath. it looks like i need to choose options for -v |
| [01:14:22] | sphery: | smoothifier: are you on 0.24-fixes? |
| [01:14:44] | smoothifier: | no, just 0.24–2 or 0.24.2 :) |
| [01:14:47] | sphery: | if so, then mythtv-setup 2>&1 | tee /tmp/mythtv-setup.log |
| [01:14:52] | sphery: | same |
| [01:15:01] | sphery: | I meant as long as you're not on master |
| [01:15:27] | wagnerrp: | jya: ill take another look at the parsing, but the second form should work fine |
| [01:16:17] | jya: | when I say that it does nothing, I mean: I have now the correct xmltvid assigned to the channel, yet, it is still showing the program from the previous xmltvid |
| [01:16:50] | wagnerrp: | ah, well it should be passing the information onto mythfilldatabase as it did before my fiddling |
| [01:17:01] | wagnerrp: | what mythfilldatabase actually does with it afterwards, i have no idea |
| [01:17:38] | sphery: | smoothifier: also, fwiw, this is likely going to cause problems: Feb 20 19:58:03 sirius systemd-tmpfiles[2940]: Successfully loaded SELinux database in 11ms 672us, size on heap is 480K. |
| [01:18:41] | sphery: | jya: yeah, it sounds like it's some shepherd thing... it needs some other approach to fix the listings |
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| [01:20:16] | smoothifier: | sphery |
| [01:20:24] | wagnerrp: | jya: define VERBOSE_PARSER in your environment, and make sure the 'refresh' value is getting properly populated |
| [01:20:39] | smoothifier: | sphery: think i should disable SELinux entirely? it's on permissive |
| [01:20:41] | wagnerrp: | it should be a stringlist containing the various values youve defined |
| [01:21:31] | sphery: | smoothifier: no clue, but if things aren't working, that's definitely something to try first |
| [01:21:47] | smoothifier: | i'll do that |
| [01:23:49] | smoothifier: | http://pastebin.com/w0F41Ruy |
| [01:24:14] | smoothifier: | that's the mythfrontend log.. i wasn't able to crash the mythtv-setup :/ |
| [01:24:40] | sphery: | well, for the good news, it looks like your opengl stuff is working properly |
| [01:25:37] | sphery: | on the down side, though, I have no idea what might be causing the crash |
| [01:26:16] | smoothifier: | i wonder if it's memory |
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| [01:26:36] | smoothifier: | i have four sticks and i tested all four and got an error |
| [01:26:43] | smoothifier: | tonight i'm gonna just check these two |
| [01:27:08] | smoothifier: | i must give computers Alzheimer's |
| [01:29:35] | wagnerrp: | is it possible your memory controller is going bad? |
| [01:29:54] | wagnerrp: | memtest is not an authoritative test for bad memory |
| [01:30:05] | wagnerrp: | if it reports errors, other things could be causing those errors |
| [01:30:22] | smoothifier: | well, this is a machine that started to act poorly running windows 7 |
| [01:30:54] | ** wagnerrp wonders why hes suddenly so tired ** | |
| [01:31:02] | smoothifier: | it's not really a memory eater – only 3 years old |
| [01:31:14] | smoothifier: | well anyway i'll just look and see. perhaps you're right |
| [01:32:05] | smoothifier: | it's only been acting up for about a week... i thoguht i had some kind of virus or a hard drive issue but i could find nothing wrong |
| [01:32:06] | wagnerrp: | spent half an hour in an open freezer fixing the ice dispenser, its like the cold just knocked me out |
| [01:34:02] | awalls: | burned all your carbs maintaining core temp |
| [01:34:46] | plink212: | so any ideas about my weird cablebox firewire id |
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| [01:36:08] | ertyu-m: | plink212, does it work? |
| [01:36:34] | plink212: | the cable box works over hdmi yes? |
| [01:36:48] | ertyu-m: | over firewire? |
| [01:37:03] | plink212: | how would i test it outside of myth? |
| [01:37:23] | plink212: | i can see it in plugreport |
| [01:37:44] | ertyu-m: | test-mpeg2 perhaps |
| [01:38:18] | ertyu-m: | or firewire_tester, just throwing out the things I've used from http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/FireWire |
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| [01:48:18] | wagnerrp: | WTF is imax "tree-d"? |
| [01:49:22] | wagnerrp: | is that the one where there are so many dimensions of sound, it vibrates trees right out of the ground? |
| [01:57:25] | jya: | well, re-ran shepherd refreshing all the data… (took over an hour).. re-ran mythfilldatabase |
| [01:57:44] | wagnerrp: | wow |
| [01:57:58] | jya: | it is still showing the wrom program info for my 7 channel |
| [01:58:10] | jya: | so VERBOSE_PARSER you said? |
| [01:58:23] | plink212: | ertyu-m: hmm i did test-mpeg2 -r 0xcc7d37fffe42b737 > test.mpg and got a zero byte file so if that is correct syntax then i would say no and it is a firewire problem |
| [01:58:37] | wagnerrp: | yeah, turns on verbosity for the parser, it cerrs straight to the terminal |
| [01:58:46] | wagnerrp: | since its run before the logger has a chance to initialize |
| [01:59:08] | jya: | not much there |
| [01:59:08] | jya: | http://pastebin.com/pHSdpkYk |
| [01:59:35] | wagnerrp: | well it does mean the parser itself is working properly |
| [01:59:55] | jya: | sphery has suggested I edit the DB, removing the data for that channel |
| [02:00:06] | jya: | but Id prefer not to so I keep the history |
| [02:00:14] | jya: | it seems to have been wrong from yesterday only |
| [02:00:30] | wagnerrp: | the history, you mean guide data for the past couple days? |
| [02:01:01] | jya: | for the past year yeah :) |
| [02:01:09] | wagnerrp: | ... year? |
| [02:01:22] | wagnerrp: | i thought MFD automatically cleared all of that out |
| [02:01:36] | sphery: | all listings are cleared after 10 days |
| [02:01:37] | jya: | ah my mistake, it used to have the data from much earlier |
| [02:01:47] | jya: | ok.. so I don't mind clear the whole stuff out |
| [02:02:14] | jya: | sphery: what did you say , something like delete from program where chanid = |
| [02:02:36] | sphery: | yeah |
| [02:02:43] | jya: | need to identify the chanid |
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| [02:11:54] | jya: | hum… mythweb now shows no data as expected |
| [02:12:43] | jya: | but even after running mythfilldatabase, still no data.. so the problem is elsewhere… for some reason that channel is never updated |
| [02:13:33] | sphery: | no data at all for that channel--across all days? |
| [02:14:08] | sphery: | mfdb doesn't refill all days data, normally... it will only refill data for a non-scheduled day if that day is lacking a sufficient percentage of data |
| [02:14:43] | sphery: | meaning you may not have removed enough data (as one channel may be a small percentage of the data for your video source) |
| [02:14:45] | jya: | yep |
| [02:14:59] | jya: | so I should remove it all? |
| [02:15:23] | jya: | I deleted data from another channel: 70 |
| [02:15:26] | jya: | same deal |
| [02:15:37] | sphery: | if none for all days, that would imply that there's a difference between the xmltvid in the DB and from xmltv |
| [02:15:44] | jya: | i do see an error: XMLTV config file is: /home/mythtv/.mythtv/freetoair.xmltv |
| [02:15:50] | sphery: | or as you said, "something elsewhere"? |
| [02:15:51] | jya: | Error in 1:1: unexpected end of file |
| [02:16:21] | jya: | I looked into the xmltv output by shepherd |
| [02:16:21] | sphery: | that does sound suspicious |
| [02:16:28] | jya: | the channel is good |
| [02:16:38] | jya: | seven.shepherd.au |
| [02:17:26] | jya: | in the xmltv output by shepherd I have: <channel id="seven.shepherd.au"> and plenty of programs with that channel id |
| [02:19:56] | plink212: | hmm test-mpeg2 does actually work in broadcast mode |
| [02:20:45] | plink212: | mythtv-setup does not seem to recognize the cable box though |
| [02:20:57] | plink212: | is that because the id starts 0xcc |
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| [02:24:42] | ertyu-m: | maybe its a newer ID that needs to be added or something |
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| [02:29:48] | plink212: | hmm I saw a post on the list about that will give it a go |
| [02:31:15] | jya: | sphery: http://pastebin.com/jrZpBtjW |
| [02:31:34] | jya: | there is actaully an error showing, I wonder if that's why it's not doing any updates |
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| [02:39:38] | sphery: | jya: and is /home/mythtv/.mythtv/freetoair.xmltv really an empty file? |
| [02:39:47] | jya: | it is |
| [02:39:56] | jya: | in fact, it didn't even exist before |
| [02:40:05] | jya: | I don't even believe it should be used at all |
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| [02:40:24] | jya: | shepherd uses its own configuration |
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| [02:41:42] | sphery: | I'd suggest asking someone who uses shepherd... your mfdb output seems to imply there's no data for it to use ("2012-02–21 13:28:33.937949 I No programs found in data."), so likely need to fix the xmltv configuration somehow |
| [02:41:50] | jya: | http://pastebin.com/LG2ASDnX |
| [02:41:52] | jim_: | can I use Mythtv without a video capture simply to play the music I have stored on the drive through the surround sound system ? |
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| [02:42:42] | jya: | sphery: shepherd definitely has the right amount of data |
| [02:42:49] | jya: | the output.xmltv is valid |
| [02:44:53] | plink212: | how do i get a new firewire id added then? |
| [02:45:03] | plink212: | open a ticket with the details in it? |
| [02:47:42] | jya: | sphery: I ran mythfilldatabase with mythfilldatabase --update --file --sourceid 1 --xmlfile ~/.shepherd/output.xmltv |
| [02:47:48] | jya: | and the data is now there |
| [02:49:48] | [R]: | the rpi uses a usb nic? |
| [02:50:39] | wagnerrp: | so it has been claimed |
| [02:51:30] | [R]: | whats with that guy that wants to run a mbe 24/7 |
| [02:51:32] | [R]: | and then 3 rpis |
| [02:51:58] | wagnerrp: | drugs |
| [02:52:03] | [R]: | HAHA |
| [02:52:22] | wagnerrp: | the cool aid was laced |
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| [03:02:27] | sphery: | jya: ok, so it probably means your video source configuration is broken--perhaps for the same reason your multirec configuration was broken... as danielk was saying earlier, it's possible someone changed something in the old settings code which broke all uses of triggered configuration code, in which case, I'd expect all sorts of problems in configuration |
| [03:02:56] | sphery: | that said, I have no idea how to configure mythfilldatabase for use with shepherd, so I can't help fix it |
| [03:03:23] | jya: | why then would I still have 8 days of programs ? |
| [03:03:35] | jya: | it has appeared to have filled it up lately |
| [03:05:11] | jya: | sphery: what's the best way to restore a full database backup? |
| [03:05:15] | sphery: | because it was working until you went into mythtv-setup and reconfigured your system for 0.25, perhaps? |
| [03:05:31] | jya: | just drop database; create database then load the info into it? |
| [03:05:43] | sphery: | best way is to use http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . ing_database |
| [03:05:51] | jya: | i guess time will tell |
| [03:06:12] | jya: | didn't you say this take a very long time ? |
| [03:06:38] | sphery: | it could... depends on your mysql and system configuration |
| [03:07:05] | jya: | isnt' it just the equaivalent to |
| [03:07:14] | jya: | mysql mythconverg < file ? |
| [03:07:18] | jya: | that's quite faste |
| [03:07:20] | jya: | fast |
| [03:10:14] | sphery: | yeah, it's the equivalent, but it checks things first and all |
| [03:10:40] | sphery: | if mysql mythconverg < file is fast, the mythconverg_restore.pl will be fast, too |
| [03:11:16] | sphery: | I just don't promise it to be fast because many users seem to have unimaginably slow mysql setups |
| [03:12:33] | jya: | it did take a few minutes. |
| [03:12:47] | jya: | redoing it now to time it |
| [03:14:57] | jya: | real 2m4.611s |
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| [03:42:22] | jya: | sphery: I posted my question there http://groups.google.com/group/shepherd-list/ . . . 3a27e2?hl=en |
| [03:42:32] | jya: | (you may need to subscribe to the group to read it) |
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| [05:29:20] | wagnerrp: | hahahah... castle caught someone monologuing |
| [05:35:54] | ertyu-m: | wagnerrp, know if there are pros/cons to using mythbuntu? |
| [05:40:39] | [R]: | ertyu-m: do you know what you are doing? |
| [05:40:58] | ertyu-m: | in what context? |
| [05:41:00] | [R]: | myth |
| [05:41:18] | ertyu-m: | I've never used it before |
| [05:41:31] | [R]: | do you have any intention of reading the documentation? |
| [05:42:15] | ertyu-m: | I've read a bunch of it already |
| [05:42:22] | [R]: | then tehres no real "pro" |
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| [05:42:25] | [R]: | then again... thers no "cons" either |
| [05:42:51] | ertyu-m: | I guess I'm just wondering if there are differences particular to it |
| [05:43:03] | [R]: | its ubuntu with myth |
| [05:43:05] | [R]: | difference from what |
| [05:43:39] | ertyu-m: | differences other than ubuntu with myth, customizations or configurations |
| [05:43:48] | [R]: | huh? |
| [05:43:50] | [R]: | myth is myth |
| [05:44:28] | ertyu-m: | is it more than just ubuntu with myth preinstalled |
| [05:44:34] | [R]: | no |
| [05:45:01] | ertyu-m: | ok |
| [05:46:13] | wagnerrp: | ertyu-m: the pros of using mythbuntu is that if you are new to mythtv, it manages a lot of the initial setup for you |
| [05:46:47] | wagnerrp: | the cons of mythbuntu is that if you are not new to mythtv, it manages a lot of the initial setup for you, potentially to your confusion as things do not behave in the manner you expect |
| [05:47:35] | ertyu-m: | or if you are new to myth it does things which are confusing because they are different from what it said it was doing |
| [05:47:37] | wagnerrp: | there are some changes between the mythbuntu distro, and ubuntu+mythbuntu packages |
| [05:48:04] | jya: | wagnerrp: I use mythbuntu for my existing setup, it does 99% of what I want these days… Last time, the only thing I had to adjust for a new machine was the remote control |
| [05:48:06] | wagnerrp: | such as... no pulseaudio, no gnome, no unity |
| [05:48:16] | wagnerrp: | it uses xfce as its window manager instead |
| [05:48:55] | wagnerrp: | jya: im not saying its bad, per se |
| [05:49:08] | wagnerrp: | just that their wrappers do a lot of stuff you may not be expecting |
| [05:49:20] | jya: | i mean, even want I install it on an existing machine, it doesn't mess my existing setup |
| [05:49:36] | wagnerrp: | so if you dont know its going to happen, and you are otherwise experienced in mythtv, it may throw you off |
| [05:50:22] | jya: | I'm listening to the dark side of the moon bluray, straight from mythvideo… this is really cool… |
| [05:50:37] | jya: | yeah, the main issue is the wrapping of mythfrontend into a .real |
| [05:50:55] | wagnerrp: | and mythtv-setup |
| [05:50:55] | jya: | like mythtv-setup actaully being a wrapper that can display popup window |
| [05:51:10] | jya: | that's the most painful i think |
| [05:55:35] | ertyu-m: | switching topics, what do cable boxes do with their firewire, do they just dump the stream they are using before decoding or is there some re-encoding?...what happens with an mpeg4 stream? |
| [05:56:16] | [R]: | what cable bxoes get an mpeg4 stream? |
| [05:56:27] | wagnerrp: | yes, they just dump the stream coming through the cable line |
| [05:56:41] | wagnerrp: | and as [r] indicates, there are no cable companies using MPEG4 |
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| [05:57:04] | ertyu-m: | mine is starting to, apparently some vod content is currently |
| [05:57:21] | wagnerrp: | what company? |
| [05:57:25] | ertyu-m: | Shaw |
| [05:57:37] | wagnerrp: | canadian... bum luck there |
| [05:58:05] | ertyu-m: | yep, we just get screwed |
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| [05:58:50] | ertyu-m: | myth wouldn't care though, would it? |
| [05:59:01] | [R]: | care about what |
| [05:59:18] | wagnerrp: | MPEG2 vs. MPEG4, it should be able to handle both |
| [05:59:27] | ertyu-m: | mpeg4 stream |
| [05:59:37] | [R]: | over what? |
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| [06:00:03] | ertyu-m: | cable box firewire |
| [06:00:07] | [R]: | i know you dont have cable cards... and noone is gonna stream vod over firewire... |
| [06:00:07] | wagnerrp: | although now that i think about it, i recall some BC user complaining several months ago about mythtv complaining when it received MPEG4 over firewire |
| [06:00:30] | wagnerrp: | BC or NF, it was somewhere east |
| [06:00:47] | ertyu-m: | BC is far west and Shaw territory, NF is far east |
| [06:01:06] | wagnerrp: | erm... yeah, just realized that |
| [06:01:20] | wagnerrp: | BC is (almost) as far from east as you can get |
| [06:01:41] | ertyu-m: | [R], we actually have cablecards, just can't just them in hardware of our choosing |
| [06:02:08] | wagnerrp: | [R]: they have the same hardware as us, meaning their cable boxes have cablecards inside them just the same |
| [06:03:12] | ertyu-m: | yep, I even tried pulling a cablecard and swapping it, the cablecard activated, but their system wouldn't let it activate because the box was responding to pings |
| [06:03:24] | ertyu-m: | err, wasnt' |
| [06:03:41] | wagnerrp: | the cablecard gets paired to a specific device |
| [06:03:49] | wagnerrp: | you cannot swap it without reactivating the card |
| [06:04:01] | ertyu-m: | I tried activating it in another device |
| [06:05:08] | ertyu-m: | anyway, thats well outside the realm of supported |
| [06:07:14] | ertyu-m: | if I remember, I'll try pulling vod content via firewire and see what happens |
| [06:07:48] | ertyu-m: | just to see if it works, this cable box doesn't even support mpeg4 |
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| [07:21:44] | dekarl: | ertyu-m: see #10080, called suspicously "Firewire MPEG4 Support". where MPEG4 always means MPEG 4 Part 10 / AVC / H.264 when we're talking broadcasts |
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| [09:08:02] | jya: | wagnerrp, sphery ; I found out the issue with mythfilldatabase, it doesn't pass extra parameters to the grabber any longer.. (used to if preceded by — ) |
| [09:09:41] | wagnerrp: | oh? did someone change that? |
| [09:09:54] | jya: | not sure.. this is documented in shepherd |
| [09:09:58] | wagnerrp: | last i heard, its _supposed_ to pass through anything after a — to the script |
| [09:10:04] | jya: | to reload the data mor ethat once a day |
| [09:10:19] | wagnerrp: | written specifically to support shepherd's need for additional arguments |
| [09:10:22] | jya: | you have to run mythfilldatabase with — --reoutput |
| [09:10:40] | jya: | looking at how it creates the command to execute |
| [09:10:42] | jya: | it is simply |
| [09:10:50] | jya: | QString command = QString("nice %1 --config-file '%2' --output %3") |
| [09:10:50] | jya: | .arg(xmltv_grabber).arg(configfile).arg(filename); |
| [09:11:08] | jya: | so no argument is ever passed |
| [09:11:15] | jya: | "extra" I mean |
| [09:13:27] | jya: | oh, I misreading the code.. hold a sec |
| [09:13:41] | wagnerrp: | https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . ata.cpp#L423 |
| [09:14:16] | wagnerrp: | https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . ain.cpp#L214 |
| [09:14:20] | jya: | ok, so you have to use --graboptions now |
| [09:14:36] | wagnerrp: | no, thats comments in the code that were never updated |
| [09:15:19] | wagnerrp: | anything after an empty '--' gets passed through to the grabber command |
| [09:16:07] | jya: | ok.. so the issue is elsewhere then |
| [09:16:45] | lucas^: | seems that mythcommflag and comskip computes 'frame number' in a different way than ffmpeg |
| [09:24:28] | jya: | that's weird.. I deleted all the guide info on one channel I use little, re-run the command that fixed it for me earlier: mythfilldatabase --update --file --sourceid 1 --xmlfile /tmp/mythFsNIVh --refresh-all --refresh-today |
| [09:24:48] | jya: | and now it actually doesn't update the channel |
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| [09:26:12] | jya: | sphery mentioned something about mythfilldatabase not updating if not enough data had changed |
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| [09:40:43] | jya: | ok.. i know fully understand what was wrong… cool.. all workding as expected now |
| [09:40:59] | wagnerrp: | ? |
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| [10:15:15] | jya: | wagnerrp: I was trying to refresh using mythfilldatabase, the problem is that shepherd didn't pass it is has provided info in the past 24 hours. So — --reoutput was required. |
| [10:15:32] | somethinginteres: | is there any way to restore JUST the channels from a made with mythconverg_restore.pl? |
| [10:15:41] | jya: | then my issue was that I was using the wrong xmltvid (spelling mistake) |
| [10:16:16] | wagnerrp: | somethinginteres: as in... to send someone else your channel scan? |
| [10:16:41] | jya: | the channels as in what was scanned ? |
| [10:17:09] | somethinginteres: | wagnerrp: no, not for someone else. Just for myself. I have a backup that "found" more channels than I am currently able to find using channel scan. |
| [10:17:42] | wagnerrp: | youre certain the channels are still there, and your antenna is sufficiently powerful to pick them up? |
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| [10:18:07] | somethinginteres: | wagnerrp: almost positive. |
| [10:18:10] | jya: | most likely is that if it can't scan them, it won't be able to tuned on them anyway |
| [10:19:02] | somethinginteres: | jya, wagnerrp: I did try to manual tune the freq but it immediately told me "no new channels" |
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| [10:20:49] | somethinginteres: | jya, wagnerrp: which is very odd b/c I have always been able to get them |
| [10:21:08] | GaVa: | hello, Im setting up my backend/frontend with wake function to shutdown when idle and boot up when recordings are scheduled. With the backend/frontend setup i see you need to login to mythwelcome for the backend to notice its idle.. is there a way to make the frontend logout to mythwelcome or even shutdown the pc if the frontend GUI is idle? to get around forgetting to log the frontend out to mythwelcome |
| [10:22:09] | wagnerrp: | in 0.24, no |
| [10:22:35] | jya: | jeez, the smalled hick-up on my reception, and after hanging for 20s I end back on the main menu |
| [10:22:37] | GaVa: | is it a feature earmarked for later releases? |
| [10:23:18] | wagnerrp: | in 0.25, mythfrontend has an idle timer |
| [10:23:31] | GaVa: | excellent.. |
| [10:23:45] | wagnerrp: | after which it will switch to a "standby" mode, unblocking the backend from shutting down |
| [10:23:46] | jya: | that channel has always been a bit poor, but 0.24 never used to just hang then exit like that |
| [10:23:56] | wagnerrp: | largely eliminating the utility of mythshutdown |
| [10:24:37] | GaVa: | thats what I want to use, had a seperate frontend and a dedicated backend and it worked like a dream.. on the same box, not so... |
| [10:25:59] | GaVa: | is April 2 still the target release for .25? |
| [10:26:33] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [10:26:47] | GaVa: | all good news... |
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| [10:28:15] | GaVa: | another question... I've started having issues with my livetv pausing after the end of tv shows... i am using mythbuntu so not sure if its their build or its a mythtv thing |
| [10:29:02] | wagnerrp: | when you start a new show in livetv, mythtv starts recording to a new file |
| [10:29:27] | GaVa: | SSD scratch disk for livetv get around this? |
| [10:29:29] | wagnerrp: | there is a bit of gap in there, and some change in the past year or two caused that gap to increase |
| [10:29:34] | wagnerrp: | no clue |
| [10:29:52] | wagnerrp: | most people see a gap of something well less than a second |
| [10:29:57] | wagnerrp: | so its hardly noticeable |
| [10:30:21] | GaVa: | i had been using mythdora and had no issue... but it could have been a older version. |
| [10:30:30] | wagnerrp: | what are you running this on, hardware wise? |
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| [10:30:52] | GaVa: | is there a command in ubuntu to get stats? i can't remember what it is |
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| [10:31:19] | wagnerrp: | the CPU and memory capacity would be a good start |
| [10:31:32] | wagnerrp: | perhaps... cat /proc/cpuinfo; cat /proc/meminfo |
| [10:31:58] | GaVa: | model name : Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 920 @ 2.67GHz |
| [10:32:14] | GaVa: | MemTotal: 2052424 kB |
| [10:32:46] | wagnerrp: | 2GB of memory on an i7? that cant be right... |
| [10:33:08] | hashbang: | wagnerrp: 1GB for PCI address space, maybe? |
| [10:33:28] | hashbang: | no, wait, even that is stupid |
| [10:33:44] | GaVa: | iono old pc from work i snatched |
| [10:34:05] | wagnerrp: | GaVa: the i7s have triple channel memory controllers |
| [10:34:20] | GaVa: | ill go have a look |
| [10:34:24] | wagnerrp: | meaning memory should be installed in triplicate |
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| [10:34:43] | wagnerrp: | 3x1GB sticks, or 3x2GB sticks, or 6x1GB sticks, or.... |
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| [10:36:28] | hashbang: | wagnerrp: weren't there some budget i7 chipsets which allowed/only did dual-channel? |
| [10:36:37] | wagnerrp: | GaVa: are your recordings and database on the same disk? |
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| [10:36:57] | wagnerrp: | hashbang: no, the memory controller is on the i7, the chipset has no say in how many channels you support |
| [10:37:18] | wagnerrp: | however, there were some boards that had 4 memory slots rather than the more typical 6 |
| [10:37:30] | wagnerrp: | with 3 DIMMs, it would run triple channel |
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| [10:37:42] | wagnerrp: | with 4 DIMMs, the memory controller would automatically drop to dual channel |
| [10:40:37] | hashbang: | wagnerrp: maybe he's got one of those with 4 0.5GB DIMMs? |
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| [10:41:15] | wagnerrp: | i dare you to find 512MB DDR3 modules |
| [10:41:17] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [10:44:08] | lucas^: | is the fps of a recording used to calculate frame numbers for markup tables stored in another table somewhere? |
| [10:44:22] | lucas^: | ffmpeg seems to do very weird things with variable bitrate/res files |
| [10:44:52] | GaVa: | 2 x 1024 sticks |
| [10:45:28] | wagnerrp: | GaVa: yeah, whoever put that thing together at your company doesnt know what theyre doing |
| [10:45:29] | GaVa: | there are 6 slots on the motherbaord |
| [10:45:52] | wagnerrp: | spending $300 on a high end CPU, and not spending $20 for a third stick of memory |
| [10:46:05] | wagnerrp: | in any case, are your recordings and database on the same filesystem? |
| [10:46:10] | GaVa: | so what does that mean ? it runs? but slower? |
| [10:46:23] | GaVa: | yes at the moment.. I did just slap a new disk in for livetv/media files |
| [10:46:52] | wagnerrp: | yes, each channel of memory on that chip is good for around 10GB/s |
| [10:47:08] | wagnerrp: | 2 sticks means youre using 2 channels, and getting 20GB/s |
| [10:47:18] | wagnerrp: | 3 sticks means youre using all 3 channels, for 30GB/s |
| [10:48:08] | wagnerrp: | mythtv and mysql do not like each other |
| [10:48:19] | wagnerrp: | they each want low latency access to the disk |
| [10:48:29] | wagnerrp: | so its best to keep them separate |
| [10:48:36] | GaVa: | bastards.. so move my livetv store to a new disk |
| [10:48:59] | wagnerrp: | no, move your database to a new disk |
| [10:49:04] | wagnerrp: | leave livetv and recording on the same disk |
| [10:49:24] | wagnerrp: | or dont bother with livetv at all, and just let if fall through to the Default storage directories |
| [10:49:46] | wagnerrp: | anyway, when you end one recording and start the next, theres a flurry of database activity |
| [10:50:13] | wagnerrp: | between the database IO, a filesystem with barriers enabled, and mythtv's file sync loop |
| [10:50:25] | wagnerrp: | chances are youre just stalled waiting for disk IO |
| [10:51:00] | wagnerrp: | i wouldnt be surprised if people using SSDs, or with barriers disabled, didnt suffer those livetv gaps |
| [10:51:38] | GaVa: | so a small SSD hosting the database and livetv and recordings kept on the OS disk would be a ok setup? |
| [10:51:38] | wagnerrp: | "barriers" are a mechanism that mysql uses to ensure its writes are atomic, and are fully flushed to the non-volatile platter |
| [10:52:06] | GaVa: | is if power is cut with barriers disabled I could get a corrupt database? |
| [10:52:17] | GaVa: | so if.. |
| [10:52:20] | wagnerrp: | if you are writing to the database at that moment, yes |
| [10:52:31] | wagnerrp: | but thats why we have frequent database backups |
| [10:53:12] | wagnerrp: | of course its a fairly recent thing that linux ships with barriers enabled by default |
| [10:53:33] | wagnerrp: | so people have been running mythtv/mysql for the better part of a decade without barriers |
| [10:53:36] | GaVa: | hence the larger pauses you have seen |
| [10:53:49] | wagnerrp: | thats my guess |
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| [10:54:41] | GaVa: | moving a DB hard? detach move reatached? |
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| [10:55:44] | wagnerrp: | on a single system, stop mysqld, move the files, update the configs with the new location, start mysqld |
| [10:56:15] | wagnerrp: | generally, when people get an SSD, they get one large enough to house their OS as well |
| [10:56:34] | wagnerrp: | considering a modern linux distro is all of a few GB installed anyway |
| [10:56:42] | GaVa: | good point.. |
| [10:56:46] | wagnerrp: | you're hard pressed to find an SSD that cant house the OS |
| [10:57:23] | GaVa: | just got 4 SSD at work for my nexenta box's.. if only the tagged one more on :) |
| [10:58:43] | GaVa: | the smalles ram i can find at my local pc shop is 2gb.. how will that go with two 1gb? |
| [10:59:47] | wagnerrp: | heh, well you have to have triples of the same size for it to work properly |
| [10:59:57] | GaVa: | damn.. |
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| [11:00:45] | GaVa: | anyone got some cosair 1gb stick they want to ship to Australia ;) |
| [11:01:01] | GaVa: | corsair even |
| [11:02:03] | wagnerrp: | i would suggest remounting your filesystem to disable barriers, if only as a test to see what happens |
| [11:03:43] | GaVa: | hmmm wreaks of effort... might get the system working correctly first |
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| [11:10:38] | GaVa: | wagnerrp cheers for ya help mate... |
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| [11:22:35] | RokLobsta: | aha i have been wondering what the pauses and stuttering during playback were about. |
| [11:23:09] | RokLobsta: | and slow starts. |
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| [11:49:55] | louisdk: | Hi. Can I run backend and frontend on different MythTV versions? My frontend runs a snapshot version of 0.24 from Ubuntu 11.10 and I'm thinking of moving it's backend to a Debian stable box which has version 0.24.2 in it's unofficial multimedia repo. Would that be a bad idea? |
| [11:59:00] | jya: | louisdk: it is better if running the exact same revision.. this is what is recommended |
| [11:59:28] | jya: | however, in most cases, as long as they are both a same major release it should be okay |
| [12:00:14] | jya: | what you can do in the ubuntu is enable the mythbuntu daily repo and upgrade. |
| [12:00:36] | jya: | 0.24.2 is the version you will get on the mythbuntu nightly package |
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| [12:55:26] | knightr: | sphery, I can't seem to get that Select a ChanNo/ChanNum message in MythArchive... |
| [12:58:01] | louisdk: | jya: Thanks. I'll look it. |
| [12:58:08] | louisdk: | *at it |
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| [19:05:02] | smoothifier: | frequently after boot, i have more than one mythfrontend process running. is this normal behavoir? |
| [19:05:27] | wagnerrp: | is one mythfrontend, and the other mythfrontend.real? |
| [19:05:44] | smoothifier: | hmm they both appeared without suffixes. |
| [19:05:49] | smoothifier: | i can try a reboot and see |
| [19:06:09] | smoothifier: | other times, <defunct> was appended |
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| [19:06:21] | toad_: | easiest way to play a CD from within mythtv? |
| [19:07:17] | smoothifier: | wagnerrp: I think that my gtx 260 may be incompatible with the nvidia drivers at present. I swapped it out for a 9600 gt to see what happens (from last night) |
| [19:09:14] | toad_: | the mailing list archive is vague ... is there a nice full-screen-capable linux GUI for playing CDs anyone could recommend? |
| [19:09:30] | smoothifier: | wagnerrp: ok, this time the mythfrontend has 5 processes, 4 are [mythfrontend] <defunct> |
| [19:09:32] | stuartm: | toad_: 'Play CD' from the menu |
| [19:09:39] | toad_: | stuartm: doesn't exist |
| [19:09:47] | toad_: | stuartm: what version has it? i am using the packaged version ... |
| [19:09:54] | toad_: | stuartm: or do i need to edit the menu? |
| [19:09:55] | stuartm: | it does if you have the mythmusic plugin installed |
| [19:10:07] | toad_: | i do |
| [19:10:19] | toad_: | but maybe i've upgraded through so many versions that my menu is out of date somehow? |
| [19:10:32] | toad_: | i have play dvd, play vcd, import cd |
| [19:10:45] | toad_: | i think there was at least one other ... |
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| [19:12:18] | stuartm: | might depend on the menu theme, I swear it was there at some point but you're right, I can't see it there now |
| [19:13:16] | ** toad_ installs mythmusic on his other system, and sees the same result – Import CD, Eject disk ** | |
| [19:13:25] | toad_: | there's a thread about it on google |
| [19:14:13] | toad_: | so can anyone recommend a GUI player for CD's on linux? ideally I'd use myth as it has software upmixing, but that doesn't seem possible ... unfortunately we don't have the disk in advance so can't rip it, which is otherwise an ideal solution (no jitter!) |
| [19:14:49] | stuartm: | toad_: you can still play a CD through mythmusic, but it's not as simple as a main menu option, you need to enter mythmusic, bring up the context menu and select Play CD |
| [19:15:12] | dekarl: | does unbundled OEM qualify as "legally dubious"? I'm tempted to tell them go try the other side if they think their grass is so much greener |
| [19:15:15] | toad_: | hmmm, that's beyond my myth-fu ... go into which option? |
| [19:15:19] | toad_: | Import CD ? |
| [19:15:22] | toad_: | or the config? |
| [19:15:28] | stuartm: | although I note even that's moved in 0.25 ... not sure where to |
| [19:15:34] | toad_: | and context menu is what, press I? |
| [19:16:04] | toad_: | some sources talk about media library -> listen to music ... hmmm |
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| [19:16:16] | wagnerrp: | dekarl: while OEM copies are technically not licensed for personal use, i honestly dont think microsoft cares |
| [19:16:32] | stuartm: | toad_: MENU, normally bound to M |
| [19:16:34] | toad_: | ahhh i see |
| [19:16:38] | ** toad_ goes to test ** | |
| [19:16:50] | wagnerrp: | surely not within the scope of an end user, although they may have something to say about a sizable company buying up the oem copies and "selling" the built PCs to themselves |
| [19:16:55] | dekarl: | microsoft never cared about pirating for personal use either. after all its what supports their professional business |
| [19:17:00] | wagnerrp: | dekarl: the guy was just being a dick |
| [19:17:09] | dekarl: | doesnt mean its the right thing to do |
| [19:17:25] | dekarl: | ok, won't feed the troll |
| [19:18:40] | stuartm: | smoothifier: ubuntu? |
| [19:18:50] | wagnerrp: | this is the same guy on the forum you were reading yesterday who was complaining that people kept telling him to pay $25/yr for guide data for a free MC application |
| [19:18:53] | smoothifier: | stuartm: fedora 16 |
| [19:19:07] | wagnerrp: | and somehow got it in his mind to try to use the epgdata.com grabber for Comcast |
| [19:19:15] | toad_: | hmmm, what do you do to actually play the CD? it shows the tracks but doesn't play them on <enter> ... |
| [19:19:18] | toad_: | or <p> |
| [19:19:21] | wagnerrp: | nevermind the fact that is a pay grabber as well |
| [19:19:22] | ** toad_ tries on a different machine ** | |
| [19:19:50] | stuartm: | smoothifier: hmm, I figured ubuntu because of their startup scripts, but it's the same issue just a different distro, might be best to raise the issue with their MythTV packager |
| [19:20:31] | toad_: | okay, this is worrying – it works on the other machine straight off |
| [19:20:38] | smoothifier: | ok. so normal behavior for two /usr/bin/mythfrontend processes would be erratic? |
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| [19:21:04] | dekarl: | wagnerrp: yeah, I made that connection, too. Somehow he came to the MythTV knowledgeables but doesnt want to hear what works and what doesnt... no idea what he wants then. Attention whore? |
| [19:21:21] | smoothifier: | i think i just waxed oxymoronic. or just moronic :: |
| [19:21:35] | wagnerrp: | smoothifier: <defunct> processes generally means they were uncleanly terminated, and references are left hanging |
| [19:21:50] | wagnerrp: | theyre not actually running, but it is an indicator of something being wrong |
| [19:22:18] | lis0r: | mmm, zombies |
| [19:22:43] | smoothifier: | i keep plugging away and i feel lost. this machine was working fine 2 weeks ago in windows. i wonder if it was a power surge that got through the ups :/ |
| [19:22:59] | stuartm: | smoothifier: some bits wouldn't work correctly, e.g. telnet sockets, but it should be possible to run two copies side by side without serious issues – shared cache locations might cause odd image corruption bugs but that would be extremely rare |
| [19:23:26] | smoothifier: | ok thanks, i'll see what else i can uncover |
| [19:23:33] | wagnerrp: | stuartm: well that depends on the version |
| [19:23:54] | wagnerrp: | there were some issues a while back where a frontend would segfault if it couldnt bind to the http port |
| [19:24:15] | wagnerrp: | now, it should verbosely ignore it and continue on |
| [19:24:49] | wagnerrp: | or if youre running multiples intentionally, you can specify an alternate database profile, which comes with different ports set |
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| [19:26:32] | sphery: | knightr: meaning you can't get it to trigger to see if channel number is too long a string? I don't know my mytharchive... maybe Paul H (or even Nick R--who submitted the ticket) could help you find it. Or, for that matter, someone on -theming (channel or list)? |
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| [20:57:22] | smoothifier: | what's a good cpu stability test? right now i'm looping a kernel compile. |
| [20:58:25] | wagnerrp: | kernel compile, with as high a -j as your installed memory allows |
| [20:58:54] | wagnerrp: | you want it running the CPU as hard as possible, rather than sitting waiting for code to be read off the disk |
| [20:59:31] | wagnerrp: | hardware irregularities will show up as strange internal compiler errors |
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| [21:06:03] | smoothifier: | how can i calculate that j? |
| [21:06:15] | wagnerrp: | how much memory do you have? |
| [21:06:20] | smoothifier: | have a quad core 2 cpu, 4gb ram |
| [21:06:44] | wagnerrp: | youll probably be fine with -j8 or -j10 |
| [21:06:52] | wagnerrp: | keep an eye on your swap |
| [21:07:02] | smoothifier: | ok i'll give that a shot, leave top running. thanks |
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| [21:09:43] | smoothifier: | about 88% cpu usage |
| [21:09:58] | smoothifier: | i guess that's pretty good. only 672k swap |
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| [21:24:46] | ablyss: | I just bought a PCTV HD Pro 801e USB stick and trying to configure for analog tv on mythtv. I also have a hauppauge 1600 currently in the machine too. My problem is during mythtv-setup it's not showing the pinnacle USB stick |
| [21:25:19] | wagnerrp: | dont, just use the 1600 if you need analog |
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| [21:25:49] | ablyss: | wagnerrp, the 1600 has a problem with the analog. is there not easy way to use both? |
| [21:25:55] | drac_boy: | hi |
| [21:26:12] | wagnerrp: | describe the problems on the 1600, and lets see if we can resolve that instead |
| [21:26:59] | ablyss: | wagnerrp, well i think it maybe defected from electric static discharge. The picture is fuzzy and not as clear as direct cable to the tv |
| [21:27:28] | wagnerrp: | go into the transcoding profiles, and increase the bitrate youre having the card encode to |
| [21:27:43] | ablyss: | ok |
| [21:28:05] | ablyss: | brb. the machine is upstairs |
| [21:28:06] | wagnerrp: | i stopped noticing improvement on my -150s somewhere around 7000kbps |
| [21:28:16] | wagnerrp: | i believe default for livetv is 2200kbps |
| [21:28:23] | ablyss: | ok |
| [21:28:28] | wagnerrp: | this is a global frontend setting |
| [21:28:33] | wagnerrp: | you can configure it from any frontend |
| [21:28:52] | smoothifier: | wagnerrp: the last time i had a problem with my cpu, compiling a kernel crapped out within ten minutes. things seem to be pretty stable so far. how long do you think I have to run this to be sure? |
| [21:28:57] | wagnerrp: | more over, you can forward the frontend to any machine with an X server, and dont need to modify the setting on the actual machine in question |
| [21:29:06] | ablyss: | thx, i will get back after I try the new settings |
| [21:29:22] | wagnerrp: | smoothifier: dont know |
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| [21:29:36] | wagnerrp: | honestly, ive never bothered running any sort of burn-in for more than a couple hours |
| [21:30:15] | wagnerrp: | ablyss: the -1600 is an MPEG encoder, meaning analog capture using it comes out of the card in a nice, neat MPEG2 stream, complete with both audio and video |
| [21:30:21] | smoothifier: | every time that mythfrontend segfaults, there is a reference to libnvidia in /var/log/messages |
| [21:30:54] | wagnerrp: | on the other hand, the 801e is a framegrabber, meaning mythtv gets raw frames and raw audio, needs to encode them both in real time in software, and then try to mux them together while maintaining sync |
| [21:31:20] | wagnerrp: | its fine for digital, where encoding is all done on the broadcaster's end |
| [21:31:26] | wagnerrp: | but highly recommended against for analog |
| [21:32:34] | smoothifier: | i was not experiencing this error on my 32-bit cpu system |
| [21:32:59] | smoothifier: | what a pain :/ |
| [21:34:03] | wagnerrp: | ablyss: plus theres the whole issue of having to push that ~15MB/s sustained across the USB bus |
| [21:34:22] | wagnerrp: | USB2.0 was never designed as a high performance interface |
| [21:35:06] | ablyss: | wagnerrp, ok I'm gonna return the USB stick then |
| [21:35:33] | wagnerrp: | why? its always nice to have a spare digital tuner around |
| [21:35:39] | ablyss: | wagnerrp, i'm reading up on transcoding profiles right |
| [21:35:42] | wagnerrp: | you never intend to record more than one show at a time? |
| [21:35:52] | Scopeuk: | does anyone know of a dual or quad dvb t2 or dvbt2/s2 hybrid pcie card with linux compatability |
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| [21:36:12] | Scopeuk: | I started with a black gold 3630 , great card, no linux support |
| [21:36:18] | Scopeuk: | so thats gone back lookingfor an alternative |
| [21:36:22] | ablyss: | wagnerrp, well my initial issue was mythtv wont recognize it |
| [21:37:05] | wagnerrp: | Scopeuk: http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/TBS6280 ? |
| [21:37:11] | ablyss: | so if i can get the 1600 to work I can record two shows |
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| [21:37:45] | wagnerrp: | ablyss: mythtv will only recognize the 801e if you get linux to load the proper drivers for it |
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| [21:37:55] | wagnerrp: | do you have two folders in /dev/dvb ? |
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| [21:38:11] | wagnerrp: | /dev/dvb/adapter0 should be the -1600, and /dev/dvb/adapter1 should be the 801e |
| [21:38:34] | wagnerrp: | ablyss: correct, the -1600 is a dual tuner card, with one digital tuner and one completely independent analog tuner |
| [21:38:36] | ablyss: | wagnerrp, let me try adjusting the transcoding profiles first.. if that works I will mess around with the usb stick |
| [21:38:55] | wagnerrp: | as opposed to the 801e which is a hybrid tuner, a single tuner capable of doing both analog or digital, but not both at the same time |
| [21:39:10] | ablyss: | thx again |
| [21:39:11] | knightr: | sphery, Exactly... AFAICT Nick R doesn't use it, he just noticed that the terms weren't consistent and decided to make them consistent. AFAICT, this looks like an archive import mode and I'm not able to generate an archive to beging with... Is Paul H the maintainer of MythArchive or only uses it? |
| [21:39:38] | wagnerrp: | ablyss: http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Pinnacle_PC . . . Stick_(801e) |
| [21:39:51] | wagnerrp: | note, the linuxtv project is the group that actually maintains tuner drivers |
| [21:40:02] | wagnerrp: | mythtv just interfaces with their API |
| [21:40:16] | knightr: | sphery, good idea to ask the themeing guys, I'm in contact with John to test is new theme, maybe he knows (assuming he themed it, I'm not sure and I can't check right now... |
| [21:40:57] | wagnerrp: | we only directly support a handful of special devices, such as the HDHomeRun-family and InfiniTV network tuners |
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| [21:41:37] | knightr: | s/themeing/theming |
| [21:42:11] | ** drac_boy still has to decide if I want to order the non-mce 1600 card next week or not ** | |
| [21:42:18] | drac_boy: | still a bit hard decision for me heh |
| [21:43:08] | wagnerrp: | do you need a PCI device? |
| [21:44:15] | wagnerrp: | if not, you would likely be better off with a PCIe card like the -2250, or with a very recent kernel, the -1850 |
| [21:44:27] | wagnerrp: | there were previously driver issues that precluded use of the -1850 with mythtv |
| [21:45:19] | Scopeuk: | wagnerrp, like the sugestion |
| [21:45:24] | Scopeuk: | will cosider that one |
| [21:45:37] | Scopeuk: | haven't been able to find another dvb t2 adn dvb s2 card |
| [21:45:46] | Scopeuk: | only have the one slot in this box and its low profile at that |
| [21:45:49] | wagnerrp: | drac_boy: if for no other reason than PCI slots are getting phased out in favor of PCIe |
| [21:46:03] | wagnerrp: | so a PCIe card will have a longer usable life |
| [21:50:22] | drac_boy: | yeah I don't mind that atx boards sometimes only has 1 or 2 slots. I do honestly wish I could understand why many miniitx can't provide a full pcie slot whether this is a chipset thing or not |
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| [21:51:09] | wagnerrp: | miniitx can provide a full pcie x16 slot just fine |
| [21:51:12] | drac_boy: | that msi board with four pcie 16x next to two 1x slots was interesting. price is too much for me tho |
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| [21:51:25] | wagnerrp: | the issue is fitting that long slot on board with all the other surface mount electronics |
| [21:51:43] | wagnerrp: | and the fact that Atom boards only externally expose a single x1 connection |
| [21:51:53] | wagnerrp: | so even if you had an x16 physical slot, it would only be x1 electrical |
| [21:52:04] | drac_boy: | wagnerrp well most of the boards with only 1x had nothing behind them at all, even the sata headers were located elsewhere |
| [21:52:27] | drac_boy: | at least noone builds x4 cards except for drive controllers thankfully heh |
| [21:52:48] | wagnerrp: | note, the PCIe interface can scale up or down however it needs to connect |
| [21:53:00] | wagnerrp: | an x16 graphics card will function just fine in an x1 port |
| [21:53:08] | wagnerrp: | if at reduced performance |
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| [21:53:40] | drac_boy: | thats true but I've had no such luck with pcie risers in this manner on the other hand |
| [21:54:15] | wagnerrp: | shouldnt make any difference |
| [21:54:29] | wagnerrp: | since its not like the riser card actually does anything but extend the wires |
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| [21:54:42] | wagnerrp: | you dont even need a riser card for that matter |
| [21:54:45] | wagnerrp: | you can use a ribbon cable |
| [21:55:57] | drac_boy: | its not just simply for repositioning but to get two slots actually, just so you know |
| [21:56:27] | wagnerrp: | in that case, your board doesnt actually have a PCIe slot |
| [21:56:46] | wagnerrp: | it has some funky thing with two separate PCIe command interfaces |
| [21:56:59] | wagnerrp: | either that or has its own PCIe controller built into the riser card |
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| [21:59:29] | wagnerrp: | actually, that front part of the connector may be shared between all devices, im not sure |
| [22:00:03] | wagnerrp: | however it works, you cant share data lanes between multiple cards |
| [22:00:06] | drac_boy: | or for passive risers they just simply split the bus. I actually saw one that simply took x16 into two x8 slots, the traces made it obvious |
| [22:00:54] | drac_boy: | but anyway as for your original remark...yeah I do only have pci atm so thats why I was looking at the 1600 for now yeah |
| [22:00:54] | wagnerrp: | so the only way you would be able to connect multiple devices to a single lane is if there were a separate PCIe controller chained off the primary |
| [22:03:31] | drac_boy: | scopeuk I may be wrong but had you checked out technisat? |
| [22:04:28] | wagnerrp: | drac_boy: the issue is that DVB-T2 tuners are still quite rare |
| [22:04:34] | wagnerrp: | and ones with linux support doubly so |
| [22:04:49] | drac_boy: | yeah I noticed |
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| [22:08:31] | drac_boy: | anyway I found out one of my question from the other day |
| [22:09:11] | drac_boy: | the white header is for composite video-in, guess I'll just ignore that as its useless for me |
| [22:09:26] | wagnerrp: | composite and component |
| [22:09:34] | wagnerrp: | not component, svideo |
| [22:09:53] | wagnerrp: | the analog encoder has access to the tuner, two composite inputs, and two svideo inpts |
| [22:10:01] | wagnerrp: | and can switch between them in software |
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| [22:42:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | drac_boy: Where it *is* usable is on a PVR-500, which is dual-tuner – as there is only room on the card for 1 set of video inputs (Composite, S-Video and Audio) – and the header provides the 2nd set of connections for the 2nd tuner on the PVR-500. ;-) |
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| [22:55:57] | drac_boy: | J-e-f-f-A ah heh yeah I can imagine that |
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| [22:59:57] | drac_boy: | J-e-f-f-A well the only reason I was looking at the 1600 was for an atsc tuner. still not sure about it yet, nor is trying satellite either |
| [23:00:23] | drac_boy: | may just build a htpc that only works off local medias (dvd, hd files, etc)...but going wait and see |
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| [23:10:44] | antiPosix: | DVD playback from VLC is fine, within the native mythtv "Optical Disks"->"Play DVD" it crashes the frontend. I am using Mythbuntu 11.10. Can someone help me troubleshoot this? |
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| [23:16:06] | jm|laptop: | hello |
| [23:16:29] | jm|laptop: | if I have an programme where the seek bar doesn't seem to function and I repaired the seek table for it with mythcommflag what is left, please? |
| [23:17:05] | jm|laptop: | hmm. The file /is/ seekable as in I can shuttle around the playback – but the progress bar always shows 41/41m |
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| [23:19:51] | sphery: | wagnerrp: Who cares if it requires a supercomputer to transcode in real time... I'll be using an 8W tablet instead of a 40W frontend computer, so I'll be saving power. |
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| [23:20:11] | sphery: | and everyone knows that you don't count power usage on the backend when picking the perfect frontend |
| [23:20:39] | wagnerrp: | what are you talking about? |
| [23:20:43] | sid3windr: | :-) |
| [23:20:52] | wagnerrp: | you send the recording into the cloud, and then the cloud transcodes it for you |
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| [23:21:57] | sphery: | oh, yeah, forgot about that |
| [23:22:07] | sphery: | then Amazon pays for my power usage! |
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| [23:23:51] | jm|laptop: | takes me ~1hr to upload 2.5G of .ts though |
| [23:24:02] | jm|laptop: | guess it depends how quickly you want your transcode :) |
| [23:24:19] | sphery: | 1hr for 2.5GB... that's not bad, actually |
| [23:24:24] | sphery: | would take me 8+ |
| [23:24:35] | jm|laptop: | heh. I get ~10M/1.2M |
| [23:25:14] | jm|laptop: | !speedwars |
| [23:26:28] | sphery: | hmmm... I have 10Mbps/1Mbps connection, so I must have overestimated |
| [23:26:37] | jm|laptop: | or I'm stupid |
| [23:26:50] | sphery: | no, math says I'm wrong and you're right |
| [23:27:00] | jm|laptop: | 2.5 gigabytes = 2560 megabytes / 60 = |
| [23:27:05] | jm|laptop: | oh good. |
| [23:29:09] | sphery: | ah, wait, I did my math wrong--and you must be talking about megabytes per second? |
| [23:29:20] | jm|laptop: | seemingly |
| [23:29:23] | sphery: | seems it's 6hrs for me if I go full out |
| [23:29:38] | jm|laptop: | 1 Mbps = 0.439453125 gigabytes / hour |
| [23:29:45] | jm|laptop: | yes. |
| [23:29:51] | ** jm|laptop goes under a rock ** | |
| [23:30:13] | jm|laptop: | 2.5 / 0.439453125 = 5.68888889 |
| [23:30:21] | jm|laptop: | praise Google |
| [23:31:04] | sphery: | 1 GiB = 1073741824 B * 2.5 = 2684354560 B * 8 b/B = 21474836480 b / 1000000 bps = 21474.83648s * 1 hr / 3600 s = 5.965232355555 hrs |
| [23:31:23] | jm|laptop: | *boom* |
| [23:31:44] | jm|laptop: | SD programmes will be smaller :) |
| [23:31:46] | sphery: | where I used 2 ^ 30 for a GiB and 1e+6 for Mb |
| [23:32:02] | jm|laptop: | >^.^< 10^-6 |
| [23:32:34] | jm|laptop: | this is a sensible use of our time. I'm glad we did this. |
| [23:32:34] | sphery: | yeah, but my HDTV programs are generally in the 6GiB/hr range (only ABC is lower--seems to be about 3–4GiB/hr) |
| [23:33:02] | sphery: | my HDTV being US OTA MPEG-2, which is one of the formats that needs transcoding for Apple/Android support |
| [23:33:13] | jm|laptop: | ~2.5GB/hr for BBC HD it seems |
| [23:33:25] | jm|laptop: | e.g. 1 hr 47 mins 5.7 GB |
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| [23:34:49] | jm|laptop: | AVC innit |
| [23:35:36] | sphery: | yeah, and that's one of the formats that might be usable on embedded devices--since most are standardizing on H.264 acceleration |
| [23:35:46] | jm|laptop: | da. |
| [23:35:53] | jm|laptop: | woop RPi |
| [23:35:55] | sphery: | (that said, I've heard BBC encodes things in a format that might be tough for them, so who knows) |
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| [23:36:23] | sphery: | by that I mean "in a harder-to-decode format than some H.264, encoded with other settings" |
| [23:37:27] | jm|laptop: | hmm updating from 3.1 to 3.2 might have helped my SD and digital radio issue with my em28xx_dvb devices |
| [23:37:51] | jm|laptop: | SD DVB and DVB radio were 'choppy' in many cases |
| [23:37:56] | jm|laptop: | so far so good: one day in |
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| [23:42:34] | trumee: | J-e-f-f-A, ping |
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