Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, February 19th, 2012, 00:08 UTC

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wagnerrp:

no offense to mark, but who got the idea that he was mythtv's lead developer?

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wagnerrp:

or was that supposed to be torc's lead developer?

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wagnerrp:

what a total shub...

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danielk22:

Hey anyone know how to operate trunk MythMusic here? I've set the music path and I've scanned for music, but nothing shows up in the MythMusic UI and I can't find the "show entire music tree" option..

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jpabq:

danielk22, 'M'enu -> quick playlist -> ...

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jpabq:

Someone on the mailing list, though, says it is not working for him. Works okay for me, though.

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jpabq:

danielk22, alternately, 'M'enu -> Switch View -> ... Tree

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danielk22:

jpabq: I got it to play music, but then couldn't exit from the player. I may just need to update my theme file install for it to work right. Dunno yet.

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jpabq:

danielk22, there is a setup option that defines what the "exit prompt" should be when leaving music.

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skd5aner:

justinh: I still stand by my comments in this thread 4 years ago – http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/344471#344471 – there's been progress, but the fact that usability has typically been almost an afterthought (and the fact that the project has *never* had an actual ux expert involved) is still very prevalent today

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skd5aner:

justinh: although I realize, you're probably offline right now at such a late hour your time :)

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wagnerrp:

i odnt know if you could find a comment from me 4 years ago

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danielk22:

jpabq: It showed the prompt and I selected the "No" option but it just didn't exit after that.

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: really? has it not been that long for you?

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jpabq:

danielk22, I have not had that problem. But, I have not used it much --- only to theme it.

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: it'd be hard to find much at all from my on the mailing list _newer_ that 4 years old... I kinda gave up on that a while back (except in "emergencies")

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Captain_Murdoch2:

justinh, well, we can't get rid of anything now, because as soon as Torc merged in our changes, they'd get the credit for it. :) and then people who don't understand git would assume that Torc has lots of developers because they don't understand that those commits were actually done to the MythTV repo and just merged into Torc. :)

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skd5aner:

Captain_Murdoch2: yea, I know how to manually look for the commits that weren't pulled in to torc, but is there an easy way in github to see only direct commits to that repository and ignore that pulled in stuff (easily)?

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skd5aner:

I assume not

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Captain_Murdoch2:

not that I know of, but I'm not a git or github expert

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pheld:

Why the warning about recording about to start when a live viewer is watching a channel on the same multiplex and the card is enabled for concurrent recordings? It seems unnecessary. Besides, the warning popup doesn't offer an option to keep watching channel A while the scheduled recording starts on channel B on the same multiplex.

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jya:

The myth setup I've re-installed for my mate, even after a full rescan, the freqid appearing in mythweb in the channel info are all empty

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jya:

not sure if that's normal

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jya:

he has upgraded from 0.21

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jya:

i see on mine, it has a value for each, with each channel on the same multiplex having the same freqid

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wagnerrp:

i believe the freqid is unused for digital channels

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wagnerrp:

even if populated, its just ignored

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jya:

ah ok…

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wagnerrp:

since thats what it uses dtv_multiplex for

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jya:

I was just surprised that it would be different between his setup and mine

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jya:

they are 99% identical boxes

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jya:

so multiplex will work fine, even if freqid is absent?

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wagnerrp:

thats my guess

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jya:

like it will know two channels are on the same multiplex and will now to use a physical card, and the "virtual" one instead of 2 physical cards?

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wagnerrp:

if ordered to do so

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wagnerrp:

it will always use the next available tuner capable of tuning that channel

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jya:

he has 4 cards, each card allowed to do 2 recordings

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wagnerrp:

whether that next available tuner is a new physical tuner, or a virtual on a phy tuned to the proper multiplex, the scheduler doesnt care

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jya:

so card1 to card4 are 4 separate capture card

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wagnerrp:

it will not go searching out a virtual tuner on the same multiplex

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jya:

card5 to card8 are virtual attached to card1, card6 to card2 etc

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jya:

that's what I had read about how to configure it from sphery a while back

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wagnerrp:

if thats how his tuners are configured, they should be considered broken

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jya:

i set mine the same

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wagnerrp:

the scheduler will fill up all four virtual tuners sequentially

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jya:

to do so I created the 4 capture cards

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wagnerrp:

and then add in additional recordings if the virtual tuners can access those channels

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jya:

then went back and change the number of authorised recordings for each from 1 to 2

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wagnerrp:

you are trying to do the "fix" to make livetv usage easier?

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jya:

to be honest, I can't remember when I set it up that way, i did so on advice from sphery on the user list (it's also in the wiki) years ago

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jya:

been working fine since

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jya:

i don't see why you say it would be broken

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wagnerrp:

the only reason to do anything other than sequential is to facilitate live tv

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jya:

but that doesn't break anything else right?

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jya:

he doesn't use livetv

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wagnerrp:

yes, it breaks proper use of multirec

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jya:

does it ? why ?

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wagnerrp:

as mentioned, the scheduler just runs through the input list sequentially

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wagnerrp:

and grabs the first input capable of receiving that channel

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wagnerrp:

if you add each tuner, with one virtual tuner each

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wagnerrp:

your four physical inputs are the first four ordered sequentially

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jya:

sure, so it goes from 1 to 4 (all physical) then if need be continues from 5 to 8

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wagnerrp:

so the scheduler will fill up all four directly

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wagnerrp:

without trying to use multirec

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jya:

ahh.. I see what you mean

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wagnerrp:

once you fill up all four tuners, it will attempt to reuse tuners

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wagnerrp:

but if all four tuners are already in use on the same multipelx

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wagnerrp:

you wont have any left free to use a different multiplex

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jya:

so you have to choose between liveTV working properly, or the recordings :)

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wagnerrp:

the "fix" for livetv is that after youve configured multiple inputs properly

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wagnerrp:

you go back and add one additional input for each digital tuner

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jya:

a pity that changing the number of allowed programs, afterhand will break things then

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wagnerrp:

and tell mythtv to "avoid conflicts between livetv and scheduled recordings"

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wagnerrp:

or something like that

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jya:

so if you create capture card

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jya:

later decide to change the number of allowed recordings.

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wagnerrp:

that way, live tv will pull inputs from the back of the list, where you have your four physical inputs ordered sequentially

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jya:

it won't work properly..

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wagnerrp:

while recordings will pull inputs from the front of the list, where the virtual tuners are ordered sequentially

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wagnerrp:

jya: more or less, yes

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jya:

that sucks

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wagnerrp:

thats why weve recommended people flush all their tuners, and add them back, should they ever make such changes

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wagnerrp:

its tedious, but its only going to take a couple minutes, unless youve got a big diseqc network to define

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wagnerrp:

satellite users... are just screwed

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pheld:

isn't it better to always use a virtual tuner (if available) for a new recording if a physical tuner already is active on a given multiplex regardless of wether the recordings are initiated by schedule or live?

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wagnerrp:

pheld: if you are using a virtual tuner on an in-use physical tuner

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wagnerrp:

you will be locked to only those channels accessible on that multicast

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wagnerrp:

mythtv will not automatically flip to a new virtual tuner in order to access channels outside that multicast

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wagnerrp:

getting a free physical tuner allows livetv to operate unencumbered

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pheld:

why shouldn't live-tv be able to zap across physical tuners? With 2 tuners active with ongoing recorings on different multiplexes live should still be able to zap across all channels on those 2 multiplexes, or?

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wagnerrp:

because doing so could be disruptive of scheduled recordings

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pheld:

disruptive, how? Starting or stopping recroding on a virtual tuner should never affect other activity on the same physical tuner

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wagnerrp:

no, but it suddenly means another physical tuner may no longer be usable on a particular multiplex

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wagnerrp:

which in turn may mean you just lost the tuner you were about to record something on

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wagnerrp:

so you either have to scramble to reschedule at a later time, or steal the tuner back from the user

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pheld:

With decent DVB-hardware there should really never be necessary to point 2 physical tuners to the same multiplex.

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wagnerrp:

im saying youve got two tuners, and three multiplexes

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wagnerrp:

you are currently recording something on multiplex1

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wagnerrp:

you are going to be recording something on multiplex2

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wagnerrp:

and you just started watching something on multiplex3

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wagnerrp:

three multiplexes that want to be captured, with only two tuners to do it

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wagnerrp:

you could allow people to transparently skip between physical tuners during livetv

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pheld:

then the live-user should be prompted the same way as one is with a single tuner and a recording starting on a different multiplex from the one currently used in live-tv

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wagnerrp:

and throw up a warning, say 5 minutes ahead of time

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wagnerrp:

telling the livetv session that the tuner is reserved, and they are going to be kicked off

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wagnerrp:

right now, that warning occurs as the recording starts

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wagnerrp:

so if you change channels a couple seconds before hand

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wagnerrp:

you have to rerun the scheduler, however long that takes

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wagnerrp:

and wont be able to make a decision on what to do with the recording until that is complete

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wagnerrp:

losing the beginning of the show

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wagnerrp:

yes... this whole thing could undoubtedly be handled much more intelligently

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wagnerrp:

but someone has to write that more intelligent behavior to begin with

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wagnerrp:

and the developer base simply doesnt have much use for live tv, so live tv doesnt get much love

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pheld:

that won't be necessary if the tuner (virtual or physical) is reserved for recording at the time the warning is flagged for the live-user, with default action to abort live-tv

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wagnerrp:

you need want, will, and ability to get something like that in

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wagnerrp:

and that feature simply hasnt found anyone with all three of those properties

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wagnerrp:

yes... you could reserve the tuner several minutes out in advance, preventing livetv from automatically switching to it

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wagnerrp:

but someone has to write that code in the first place

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pheld:

minutes in advance is not necessary. The current 20sec or so is adequate

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jya:

when you create a recordings rules to record on a particular channel. Say you delete that channel et re-create it.. or you change the channel number, will the recording rule still be working ?

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wagnerrp:

jya: no, since that channel will no longer exist, nothing will be recorded

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wagnerrp:

you can change that rule to 'record any'

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jya:

if you delete the channel, and re-create it. same channel number, will the rule be valid ?

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wagnerrp:

but there is no UI available to select a different channel

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wagnerrp:

i believe a matching channum will work

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wagnerrp:

but im not sure, since it references chanid directly

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pheld:

jya: I've been erasing muxes/channels and rescanning my sat-setup several times. Old recording rules keep working for channels that keep their numbers (as obtained from DVB PID)

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jya:

how do you force mythfilldatabase to rescan completely the xmltv source, removing any cache if necessary ?

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jya:

weird, in mythtv-setup, most of the name of the listing grabber are missing some ending letters

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sparkyjack:

hi, can anybody give some guidance with solving a problem with mythweb logging the follwoing message

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sparkyjack:

File does not exist: /srv/httpd/htdocs/mythweb/root_url,

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sparkyjack:

I also see errors similar to this in the http log file File does not exist: /srv/httpd/htdocs/mythweb/skin_urlimg

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bill6502:

wagnerrp: is it correct to say that if an interface hasn't finished configuring all of its assigned addresses before mythbackend

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wagnerrp:

has started, then mythbackend may not configure itself correctly

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bill6502:

that there is no form of recovery other than restarting the backend

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wagnerrp:

yes

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wagnerrp:

so... stop using wireless... and stop using networkmanager

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wagnerrp:

:)

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bill6502:

no wireless but NM in *buntu. the good news is that upstart has a reasonable way of checking

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bill6502:

it just seems to be a problem for folks like me who's servers are powered down most of the time

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wagnerrp:

if an init system cant manage to ensure network is up before starting server applications, its not worth using

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bill6502:

and it started when i make masterbackend=backendserverip6

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bill6502:

agreed, and i think a note in the wiki should take care if it.

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bill6502:

folks upgrading shouldn't notice it. at least in my tests when backendserverip6=::1, that address is already there.

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wagnerrp:

behavior is no different from any other server that listens on specific addresses

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wagnerrp:

if the addresses arent available yet, because the server is started to early, theres nothing that can be done but terminate and report for the administrator to fix the system

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bill6502:

i don't know what the latest version of upstart watches, but in the upstart wiki, it looks at "lo". universal, but doesn't help much if

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bill6502:

ethN isn't up

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wagnerrp:

they do have ubuntu server, surely it behaves differently

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wagnerrp:

s/differently/properly/

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: might want to take a look at https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/8b509a01cb17

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wagnerrp:

although to be honest, i dont know if the Perl bindings are actually complex enough to warrant any such fixes

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Beirdo:

hmm, K

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wagnerrp:

basically, a lot of the same issues as in the libraries

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wagnerrp:

selecting the correct IP address to use

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Beirdo:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

and working back from the IP address to the host, to select the correct port to use

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Beirdo:

I know the perl ones will work with IPv6 at the moment

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Beirdo:

but maybe not 100% :)

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wagnerrp:

the python bindings did a lot of autoselection with regards to that in the past

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Beirdo:

and I think it might just be using the MasterBackendIP

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wagnerrp:

and as a result, the autoselection broke when all that changed

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Beirdo:

yeah

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sparkyjack:

hi, I'm having problems getting mythweb working

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sphery:

I still wonder why everyone thinks I ever said to alternate capture cards

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sphery:

(considering I've never said to do that)

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jya:

sphery: I'm fairly confident you did :) , I may even have bookmarked the message

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jya:

it was indeed in reference to fixing Live TV

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sphery:

jya: the post I wrote was http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/369358#369358 , which said that doing alternate ones would "fix" Live TV and completely break multirec, but the end of it provided the approach I've been recommending for users who want to treat Live TV as more important than recordings

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sphery:

that end approach is "create 2–4 multirec tuners per physical card then add one and enable 'avoid conflicts...'"

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jya:

I'm amazed by your searching skill

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sphery:

but many have misinterpreted the whole thing and said that I said to alternate them

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jya:

so what would you recommend as the ideal solution for someone wanting the benefit of multirec recordings

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sphery:

and, yeah, it even got put on the wiki to do it wrong for a while

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jya:

*and* have LiveTV working as most would expect

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sphery:

the end approach I mentioned above

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sphery:

create 2–4 multirec tuners per physical card then add one and enable 'avoid conflicts...'

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sphery:

though in master, you don't need to do that since you have Live TV order and recording order

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jya:

ok.. so start with say 3 multirec for all new cards, then edit them all and add 1 to each (total of 4)

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sphery:

so for master, delete all capture cards (not all on host), create new capture cards /and/ enable as many multirec inputs as you want on each card as you go

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sphery:

then connect inputs

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jya:

ah so this is unecessary in 0.25 ?

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jya:

cool

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sphery:

then set up live tv and recording order

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sphery:

yeah

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jya:

where do you set liveTV and recording order? (not sure I even understand what it means :) )

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sphery:

technically you don't have to delete all to reorder them, but you should to make it easier

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jya:

what happened to ticket 5998 ?

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sphery:

I haven't gone through that setup, but it's probably in the connect inputs or something

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jya:

well, I find that if I don't delete them, the numbers in the mythweb list is disjointed, don't like that

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sphery:

with what davide did, the "effect" of #5998 is handle

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jya:

what is basically the principle of this livetv order?

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sphery:

so all we have left is "clean up the ugly implementation"

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sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 00965#500965 + http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 01408#501408

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sphery:

you basically say, "for recordings, use this order, and for live tv, use this order"

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sphery:

they can be the same or different or ...

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jya:

ok.. I'll have a close read later.. thanks for the hint

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sphery:

you want them different if you want to be able to use live tv "like most expect"

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jya:

I thought liveTV couldn't change cards on the fly

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sphery:

but basically, just choose different physical tuners for your live tv order

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sphery:

and put them at the "end" of the recording order

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sphery:

so, pretty much what was done before, but without having to create them/connect them in any particular order

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sphery:

and since you can't change cards in live tv without a) using the guide, b) using NEXTCARD, c) using the menu (i.e. can't do it with browse mode), you'll need ensure you use different physical tuners the first 4 live tv order

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sphery:

jya: btw, I wasn't complaining because you thought I said to alternate cards, I was wondering how so many people got that impression

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jya:

I'm right in the middle of trying something unrelated , so I can't look at it right now.. but just quickly read it here, my head hurts on how you could configure this properly

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sphery:

really, just want to know where it came from

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jya:

your reputation precede you as they say :)

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sphery:

hehe, maybe I'll write up examples

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sphery:

and put something on the wiki for 0.25 configuration

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jya:

that sounds definitely something that should be explained in the first page of setup

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sphery:

then I can send an e-mail and tell everyone who broke their config with the old approach to redo it with the new approach

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jya:

being such an important part of myth

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sphery:

on the bright side, with the new approach, you can change it whenever you like

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jya:

that sounds like a great idea

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sphery:

just a matter of changing the order in setup

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sphery:

no more deleting cards or anything

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sphery:

(so if people don't like how they initially set it up, they can fix it easily)

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jya:

I asked wagnerrp earlier about the freqid but he wasn't 100% sure.

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jya:

two machines, mine and a friend

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jya:

he upgraded from 0.21 to 0.24 in one go

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jya:

none of his channels have a freqid assigned

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jya:

mine all channels on the same multirec have the same freqid

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sphery:

the mythtv-setup scanner puts in the freqid

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sphery:

not sure if it's used for digital, but it's populated for "ease of use"

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sphery:

I got mine when I did my initial digital scans in 0.21, so it hasn't changed recently

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jya:

so why, his, even after a full rescan, still doesn't have freqid?

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jya:

I redid it on mine too, and I have freqid

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sphery:

not sure

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sphery:

perhaps it's not the scanner, but the listings provider/mythfilldatabase that puts it in

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sphery:

I haven't done a scan for a long time, but I'm due for another

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sphery:

(ever since my PBS station sold to some independent station, which has fewer subchannels)

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sphery:

I'll do some testing in 0.24-fixes and let you know what I find

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jya:

maybe.. really, our hardware and software configuration is 99% similar

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k-man:

in .24, where do you choose what sort of rendering to use? i can't find the setting

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k-man:

oh. nm, found it

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k-man:

any ideas how i might diagnose why my build of mythtv runs so painfully slow?

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k-man:

on mac osx

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k-man:

anyone tried compiling mythtv against qt4.8 on OSX?

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wizbit:

is it a good idea to fork mythtv?

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k-man:

don't know

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k-man:

i don't think anyone really knows the intentions of the people who forked it yet, at least thats what I have gathered

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trumee:

J-e-f-f-A: ping

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drac_boy:

do any of you generally leave the computer on 100% volume level or not quite so if you know that its always going to go through a seperate amp (whether dedicated or in a receiver) for any sound?

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clever:

drac_boy: on my current frontend, i need it on 100%, the output levels just plain suck, lol

[15:35:34]

clever:

the tv itself needs to be 5 to 6 times higher volume then normal to hear most shows

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drac_boy:

clever heh I was thinking of seperate room speakers but ty still :-)

[15:36:28]

clever:

once its at a good level though, i use whichever controls are closer

[15:36:45]

clever:

though i sometimes wind up with 3 seperate volume controls

[15:37:05]

clever:

no CEC yet, so i cant unify control

[15:37:22]

drac_boy:

CEC?

[15:38:33]

clever:

it lets you control things over hdmi

[15:38:54]

clever:

so the pc could control the tv/stereo/amp volume

[15:39:16]

drac_boy:

oh, don't care one bit for hdmi at all so didn't know that term anyway :-)

[15:39:38]

clever:

i'm actualy using vga right now, but theres no reason i cant abuse the hdmi bus for control

[15:39:55]

clever:

just need the hardware to interface to it

[15:40:07]

drac_boy:

mm

[15:40:34]

ertyu-m:

someone made a usb cec dongle didn't they?

[15:40:44]

clever:

ertyu-m: yep, but those are about $30

[15:40:58]

drac_boy:

this is a reason why I like to route all audio to just one set of room speaker and never use any built-in speakers at all. just one single flat volume control for me

[15:41:04]

clever:

i can probly make one from parts for under 10

[15:41:29]

clever:

drac_boy: i'm routing all of the audio into the tv, the tv has an audio-out, which then goes to the amp

[15:41:39]

clever:

so the active input on the tv controls the audio to the amp

[15:42:05]

clever:

mute on the tv also cuts off the audio-out

[15:42:18]

clever:

and since both the amp and tv support cec, the tv can control the amp volume levels seamlessly

[15:42:45]

clever:

just push one button and the tv self-mutes, the amp turns itself on, and the amp goes to the right input

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drac_boy:

I guess that works for you after all doesn't it? problem for me would be these audio-only things that doesn't need the tv screen

[15:45:10]

clever:

only way to make those work is to put the tv on the pc input

[15:45:23]

clever:

biggest problem, is that i dont have enough hdmi ports

[15:45:29]

clever:

and half the hdmi devices are stupid

[15:45:51]

clever:

tv has 2 hdmi ports, but i have 3 hdmi devices, ps3, stb, amp/dvd player

[15:46:31]

trumee:

i am getting the following error if it i try to set the LNB, "DiSEqCDevTree, Warning: No device tree for cardid 1"

[15:46:59]

trumee:

although, if i do a scan manually it works. dvbscan -x0 /usr/share/dvb/dvb-s/Astra-28.2E | tee satchannels.conf

[15:47:08]

clever:

if i put the stb&ps3 on the hdmi switcher and use a single input

[15:47:20]

trumee:

any idea why this is happening?

[15:47:20]

clever:

whenever i try to use the stb, the ps3 turns itself on

[15:47:50]

clever:

and whenever i turn the ps3 on, it switches to the right input on the tv, then doenst adjust the switcher

[15:48:10]

drac_boy:

that reminds me I still need to figure out what kind of remote I want to buy/make for my setup yet :-/

[15:48:23]

clever:

drac_boy: cec also allows the pc to hijack the tv remote

[15:48:41]

clever:

so it can use the tv as a massive&expensive ir reciever

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trumee:

this is a new install. does it mean database is broken?

[15:51:56]

clever:

drac_boy: from what i can tell, the ps3 is being stupid and not making proper use of the hdmi switcher

[15:52:18]

clever:

but if i try to put the amp&stb on the switcher, the amp is being too smart, and screws things up even more

[15:52:22]

trumee:

ah, works now. my bad.

[15:52:48]

ertyu-m:

clever, are there plans to build a cec device somewhere?

[15:53:09]

clever:

ertyu-m: none that i know of, but the protocol is relatively simple i think

[15:53:26]

drac_boy:

heh heh

[15:54:05]

clever:

i have a pdf on it somewhere...

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drac_boy:

clever well the remote I want would be just basically a Fx keypad, 4-axis 'mouse', volume, and maybe some other smaller things on it as well

[15:55:34]

drac_boy:

and if you're wondering why four axis thats because it'll be eight buttons laid out like a pie circle... so the screen cursor can more or less move in somewhat more or less smooth fashion

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drac_boy:

should be fun :-)

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clever:

ive got a cheap usb ir remote like that

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clever:

though mine is faking half the actions

[15:56:44]

clever:

the 'close' button just sends alt+f4

[15:57:15]

clever:

the a thru d buttons just send ctrl+alt+f1 thru ctrl+alt+f4 i believe

[15:57:41]

drac_boy:

clever heh well the reason I wanted the Fx buttons was so I could assign scripts to these keycodes

[15:57:58]

drac_boy:

like say one button to open the photo folder into the slideshow menu

[15:58:05]

clever:

ertyu-m: http://www.pulse-eight.com/store/products/104 . . . adapter.aspx

[15:58:35]

ertyu-m:

ya, thats the one I've seen before

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trumee:

nopes. sucks again. what KEY do i need to press in Diseqc table?

[16:01:57]

ertyu-m:

looks like the raspberry pi will have cec support built in

[16:02:01]

drac_boy:

hmm clever the motorola remote from that webshop kinda looks interesting, could use some function keys tho

[16:02:02]

trumee:

i have hitting random keys, and somehow one key worked. but it doesnt work again

[16:02:24]

trumee:

why its SUCKS so much!

[16:05:00]

trumee:

anybody using dvbs who can help me?

[16:05:19]

trumee:

i am unable to add 'LNB' to the card in mythtv-setup

[16:06:06]

trumee:

it simply says 'unconnected' and doesnt respond to key strokes

[16:06:49]

clever:

ertyu-m: weird, cant find the cec pdf anywhere

[16:07:34]

trumee:

clever: any idea?

[16:08:07]

clever:

trumee: never done any satalite stuff before

[16:08:22]

trumee:

clever: right. dvbs is shitty

[16:10:20]

clever:

ertyu-m: i'm guessing the usb cec adapter just opens the stream up to the computer, and the opensource cecd handles the actual protocol

[16:11:33]

ertyu-m:

found some posts saying pulse audio will put their code into an open library

[16:11:45]

ertyu-m:

so you just need the hardware that has the cec pin connected on hdmi to push it out

[16:12:30]

clever:

http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/cecd/ is already opensource and works with the hardware i linked earlyer

[16:16:06]

clever:

ertyu-m: found a second usb<->cec adapter, for 75$!!!

[16:16:22]

ertyu-m:

yep, the only other devices I found just increased in price

[16:17:04]

clever:

this second site happens to include more docs on the protocol though

[16:17:39]

clever:

ertyu-m: http://rainshadowtech.com/downloads/HDMICECtoUSBandRS232v2.0.pdf http://xtreamerdev.googlecode.com/files/CEC_Specs.pdf

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trumee:

how can i bring up the selection for 'LNB' in Capyure card setup?

[16:18:31]

trumee:

ertyu-m: any idea?

[16:18:45]

ertyu-m:

trumee, sorry I don't have a clue

[16:18:57]

trumee:

drac_boy: any idea?

[16:21:23]

drac_boy:

trumee no idea sorry. don't deal with dishes much if at all yet

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trumee:

damn, seems nobody is running myth with freesat

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drac_boy:

trumee I would had looked at satellite tv except that finding decent hardware is just almost impossible without mail ordering from 400+km far away :-/

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drac_boy:

so I just generally don't bother

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drac_boy:

sorry

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clever:

ertyu-m: second pdf has all the goodies! :)

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wagnerrp:

ertyu-m: pulse-eight has nothing to do with pulseaudio

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wagnerrp:

and they already have put their code into an open library, theres no "will"

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wagnerrp:

and mythtv 0.25 already has some form of support for this library and integration with mythfrontend

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wagnerrp:

clever: meaning there is little sense looking into the more expensive, and less supported rainshadowtech

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clever:

wagnerrp: i was thinking of just buying a $3 avr and making one from scratch

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clever:

beats the hell out of the cost of either of the other devices

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clever:

hmmm, might even be able to do it with an attiny i already have

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wagnerrp:

well sure, it you want to write your own 8-bit micro-controller code

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clever:

time to find my parts box!

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clever:

hardest part is just gaining access to the cec pin

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clever:

um, its a miracle this hdmi switcher even works....

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clever:

i count 7 pairs of pins bridged by poor soldering....

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wagnerrp:

HAHAHAHHAHAHA

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Seeker`:

clever: you shouldn't have pointed that out! It'll be like wile-e-coyote running over a cliff edge; he only falls after he realises

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wagnerrp:

seems dustybin managed to piss off someone in high places

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clever:

Seeker`: its crap to begin with, it never switches inputs automaticaly when i want it to

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clever:

Seeker`: and then when i dont, it suddenly starts doing it!

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Seeker`:

heh, so 'works' in the loosest sense :P

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clever:

it seems like the ps3 software just doesnt know what to do with switch boxes

[18:00:08]

clever:

so the ps3 keeps turning itself on when its not the active input

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clever:

and the switch box never goes to the ps3 input

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clever:

and it messes with 'bravia theater sync' even worse, by switching inputs when cec is only being used for volume

[18:02:20]

Seeker`:

:/

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clever:

http://www.epmi.com.tw/sayapro03.php?id=33 seems to be the core chip

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mrtim:

Hi there, Quick question. For some reason whenever I launch a frontend it asks me to specify the language I want and it launches with the wrong theme.

[18:15:25]

mrtim:

Anyone have an idea on this?

[18:17:10]

clever:

mrtim: check the log output

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wagnerrp:

mrtim: it only ever asks that information once, after which it stores that information in the database

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wagnerrp:

if you are being asked that repeatedly, then you are having some problem connecting to your database

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mrtim:

Ah I found the problem apparently it launches mythfrontend too fast before the network connection is connected

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mrtim:

I guess that is the disadvantage of using a SSD

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wagnerrp:

NO!

[18:24:45]

wagnerrp:

that is the disadvantage of using a broken init system

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wagnerrp:

if it will bring up applications that require network access, before bringing up the network itself

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wagnerrp:

it is _b_r_o_k_e_n_

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mrtim:

oh I see

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wagnerrp:

as i understand it, there is an issue in the default configuration for Upstart

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wagnerrp:

where if something requires network, it will ensure loopback is set up before running it

[18:26:39]

wagnerrp:

but leave all the "real" network interfaces for networkmanager to deal with at some later time

[18:26:47]

smoothifier:

only a week ago, i replaced the memory in my aging 2005 build. things seemed to be better but last night i got a looping long beep, which seems to be indicative of a memory problem.

[18:26:59]

smoothifier:

i guess my upgrade was right on time.

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smoothifier:

i guess i'll have to get the database backups the hard way :/

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wagnerrp:

smoothifier: in a clean room, scanning the platters with a SQUID?

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mrtim:

you just installed new ram?

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smoothifier:

i'm thinking our definitions of the hard way differ by some degree :P

[18:30:13]

smoothifier:

yeah, i RMA'ed the old stuff and only just recently put it back in

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wagnerrp:

if its not superconducting, its not worth bothering

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mrtim:

wagnerrp I fixed the problem just got rid of net manager and did everything in /etc/network/interfaces

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mrtim:

works fine

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wagnerrp:

is this a laptop or a desktop?

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mrtim:

me or smoothifier?

[18:32:16]

wagnerrp:

you

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mrtim:

its a desktop

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mrtim:

in the attic

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mrtim:

zotac mini pc

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wagnerrp:

so it should have a static network configuration, and that shouldnt be a problem then

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mrtim:

yu[

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mrtim:

yup*

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smoothifier:

can you use msqldump on a chrooted environment on a different machine? say from a knoppix boot or something like it.

[18:34:04]

smoothifier:

i know i'll have mythconverg backed up, might have lost a day but not a big deal

[18:34:05]

wagnerrp:

smoothifier: can you not boot off that hard drive directly, on other hardware?

[18:34:14]

smoothifier:

i guess i can with another machine

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smoothifier:

it's a bit different

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wagnerrp:

there is always a risk when trying to do binary transfers of mysql data

[18:35:08]

wagnerrp:

best to run it natively

[18:35:23]

wagnerrp:

in a chroot, on the same architecture (32-bit or 64-bit), you would probably be fine

[18:35:34]

wagnerrp:

but copying to a separate mysql server install would be right out

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smoothifier:

i just want to dump it

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smoothifier:

all i have are 64 bit machines other than the clunker

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smoothifier:

it's not crucial data really, but i'd like to have it

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smoothifier:

so if i ran a 32-bit bootable linux distribution i might be all right on a 64 bit machine?

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wagnerrp:

likely

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smoothifier:

it's worth a shot. i could try booting with it as well

[18:40:00]

smoothifier:

thanks. i'll take a look this afternoon.

[18:40:07]

clever:

Seeker`: as far as i can tell, the cec pin never connects to the switching chip, just the other hdmi ports

[18:40:47]

wagnerrp:

ugh!

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wagnerrp:

knightr: we _really_ need to get rid of file browse mode

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trumee:

wagnerrp: please could me with setting up a dvb-s card

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trumee:

wagnerrp: i am unable to specify 'LNB' in capture card setup

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wagnerrp:

knightr: for reference, the only reason mythtv would have to do anything but query the database when #10362 opened mythvideo is because they have file browse mode enabled

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trumee:

wagnerrp: I get a 'Unconnected' in the setup, but if i select it and press enter i am not given an option to specify LNB

[18:43:07]

wagnerrp:

and even at that, the only reason it would take 4 minutes to scan a mere couple hundred files is because hes trying to access a CIFS share

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wagnerrp:

and its nested, and its poorly configured

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wagnerrp:

trumee: i know exactly nothing about diseqc

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trumee:

wagnerrp:i get a DiSEqCDevTree, Warning: No device tree for cardid 1

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wagnerrp:

i dont know what any of that means

[18:44:51]

wagnerrp:

because i dont know anything about diseqc or how to configure it

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wagnerrp:

i cant help

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trumee:

wagnerrp: no worries. thanks

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knightr:

wagnerrp, ah, I was wondering what I had done... I didn't know what to answer the guy but I knew Trac wasn't the place to ask questions (or even worse, make feature requests...)

[18:49:20]

wagnerrp:

yeah, just hope you didnt give him the wrong idea and he adds something to the wiki

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Seeker`:

clever: does it connect to the output port too?

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knightr:

wagnerrp, sorry, I guess next time I'll leave that to professionnals...

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knightr:

:)

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wagnerrp:

no worries, im not saying you did anything wrong

[18:52:28]

wagnerrp:

just being informative

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wagnerrp:

and complaining with every new bug/complaint/feature_request that comes about due to file browse mode

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knightr:

wagnerrp, no problem... I guess that mode should either be removed or improved then...

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wagnerrp:

the plan is removal

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wagnerrp:

the original plan was that the mediamonitor (or something else) would expand to watch the filesystem for changes

[18:55:55]

wagnerrp:

and automatically add/remove files in real time

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wagnerrp:

but all the kernel mechanisms to do that came up short

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knightr:

wagnerrp, ah, thank you, now I understand why it's still there even though it causes so much problem...

[18:57:01]

wagnerrp:

file browse mode really only exists for people whose content is so transient, there is no point to performing a scan... such as removeable media

[18:57:20]

wagnerrp:

but people dont know what it does so they enable it and suffer the consequences

[18:57:53]

wagnerrp:

or people do know what it does, but they abuse it so they dont have to scan in new content their torrent client is automatically downloading

[18:58:34]

wagnerrp:

and then complain because their metadata doesnt work, or they scan and run into duplicate file issues, or the slow startup due to CIFS directory scanning issues

[19:00:28]

knightr:

wagnerrp, yikes,it would almost deserve to have a popup asking people to confirm whether they actually want to use it or not...

[19:00:41]

Seeker`:

knightr: or just be removed :P

[19:02:16]

knightr:

Seeker`, but for now it's not possible if I understood Raymond's reply correctly (what was supposed to replace it is not doable at this time...)...

[19:02:21]

knightr:

wagnerrp, BTW, I made the mistake of asking MythMusic to scan for music (or something like that, I was testing John's theme in French), there's no way of cancelling that when you make the mistake of choosing that?

[19:02:44]

wagnerrp:

knightr: no clue, havent looked through the new mythmusic stuff yet

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knightr:

wagnerrp, I hope that's because of a (configuration) problem on my PC otherwise you'll soon have a lot of people coming here with that problem...

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sphery:

wagnerrp: agreed. file browse mode needs to die. (and probably worth saying, explicitly on #10362 that it's user configuration error, and not a bug nor a "feature request without patch")

[19:10:35]

** sphery assumes you guys are talking about http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10362 , which is because the guy enabled file browse mode **

[19:11:03]

wagnerrp:

yes

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clever:

Seeker`: yeah, all 4 inputs and the output

[19:12:33]

sphery:

I think I'll actually mention that it's misconfiguration to "motivate" him to go to the -users list

[19:12:54]

clever:

Seeker`: its running under the connectors and connecting from the 'back' side of the pad, so i cant verify the exact pin its using

[19:13:05]

clever:

Seeker`: but the voltage levels on it look right

[19:13:39]

clever:

Seeker`: idle at ~3.3v, and dips down some when there should be cec traffic

[19:22:35]

** wagnerrp puts his pants on one leg at a time like everyone else, and then he crushes dreams **

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Seeker`:

I had a play with XBMC last week. Was interesting.

[19:36:34]

clever:

Seeker`: now to find my avr and start coding!

[19:36:53]

Seeker`:

clever: what are you planning on doing with it?

[19:37:08]

clever:

Seeker`: hijacking the bus and forcing it to act sanely

[19:37:13]

Seeker`:

heh

[19:37:23]

Seeker`:

tried just de-bridging the pins?

[19:37:32]

clever:

Seeker`: that would just make things worse

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Seeker`:

how so?

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clever:

then 'bravia theater sync' wouldnt work ever

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clever:

(controlling amp volume from tv remote)

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clever:

the problem, is that the cable box and amp are on the switch box

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clever:

going to a single input on the tv

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clever:

when i try to control the amp thru cec, with the cable box active

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clever:

the stupid thing switches over to the amp input!

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tweek__:

I can't tell whether I'm misinterpreting the output from ShowAnalyzer

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tweek__:

or if it just really, really, really sucks at commercial detection

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tweek__:

the forums are full of people asking for refunds :/

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justinh:

wasn't showanalyzer one of those programs which pinched their commercial detection algorithms from mythtv in the 1st place anyway?

[20:20:12]

tweek__:

it's a commercial closed-source application and the guy charges $30 per copy

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justinh:

all they really did (if it is them) was make it tuneable

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tweek__:

if that's true this is one of the few times where a GPL suit seems reasonable

[20:20:28]

justinh:

so? that doesn't mean they aren't violating the GPL

[20:21:35]

wagnerrp:

IMDB doesnt have DVD release dates anymore/

[20:21:51]

wagnerrp:

they used to have it on the left side

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justinh:

maybe they want you to become a PRO

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wagnerrp:

then they reorganized it and it was on the bottom

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wagnerrp:

now i cant find it at all

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trumee:

can somebody help me in diagnosing this error: "DiSEqCDevTree, Warning: No device tree for cardid 1"

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[R]:

its not an error, its a warning, hence "warning"

[20:33:13]

trumee:

[R]: I am unable to set 'LNB' in Capture card setup.

[20:33:41]

trumee:

[R]: and when i press enter on 'Unconnected' this message is printed on console.

[20:34:10]

[R]:

you should get a popup

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justinh:

well, that's the last of the crap moovida installed against my will, uninstalled

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[R]:

that lets you select switch rotor lnb

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trumee:

[R]: it seems i will not be able to scan, if i dont set it to lnb

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[R]:

and you're following the instructinos on the wiki?

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trumee:

[R]: yes

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trumee:

[R]: i dont get this screen, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/File:DVBSetup0.png

[20:36:20]

[R]:

weird

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[R]:

dnno, dont have dvb here

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trumee:

[R]: highlighting 'Unconnected' and pressing enter does nothing

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tweek__:

moovida seems like a Windows Media Center wannabe

[20:37:22]

trumee:

Is there anybody developer on this channel who knows how this thing works.

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justinh:

the wiki explains it all in sufficient depth

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trumee:

justinh: Pressing enter on 'Unconnected' doesnt give me the screen http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/File:DVBSetup0.png

[20:39:01]

trumee:

justinh: so it isnt working for me. All i get is a momentary flicker.

[20:39:13]

justinh:

look in the terminal output then

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justinh:

my guess is that mythbackend is already using the tuner, or you have insufficient privileges to use the card

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trumee:

justinh: http://www.pastie.org/3416282

[20:40:22]

justinh:

(/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0,HDPVR) ??

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trumee:

justinh: no mythbackend is running, and i am able to scan from cli using dvbscan

[20:40:51]

justinh:

that isn't sufficient information

[20:40:54]

justinh:

try again

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justinh:

instead of selecting the lines you think are pertinent to the problem, re-run mythtv-setup & capture everything as you go through & try to set up the tuner

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trumee:

justinh: http://www.pastie.org/3416301

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justinh:

right. delete the card in tuner setup

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justinh:

add it again, then try adding the LNB again

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trumee:

justinh: http://www.pastie.org/3416313

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trumee:

justinh: i delete the card, exited, started mythtv-setup, added card and tried to set LNB

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justinh:

is it definitely a DVB-S card?

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trumee:

yes it is.

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trumee:

04:07.0 Network controller: Techsan Electronics Co Ltd B2C2 FlexCopII DVB chip / Technisat SkyStar2 DVB card (rev 01)

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justinh:

network controller? LOL

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trumee:

that is what lspci says

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trumee:

justinh: i am able to scan using cli, 'dvbscan -x0 /usr/share/dvb/dvb-s/Astra-28.2E'

[20:55:06]

trumee:

justinh: i have tried dropping mythconverg, and starting db from scratch, but had the same error

[20:56:04]

trumee:

justinh: is that something which can be set directly in the db so atleast i can proceed to the next step?

[20:56:24]

justinh:

nope

[20:57:02]

trumee:

right, so what options do i have?

[20:57:03]

justinh:

try mythtv-setup with -v extra

[20:59:03]

trumee:

justinh: didnt give any more information

[20:59:28]

justinh:

try -v most then

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trumee:

justinh: ran out of console space :)

[21:03:26]

trumee:

justinh: bottom part of the log, http://www.pastie.org/3416407

[21:04:16]

sparkyjack:

Can somebody help me with a mythweb error?

[21:04:49]

sparkyjack:

New install on slackware, myth works fine just a problem with mythweb

[21:05:12]

sparkyjack:

I get "File does not exist: /srv/httpd/htdocs/mythweb/skin_urlimg, referer: http://myth2/mythweb/mythweb.php" in the apache error log

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jya:

ATI/AMD are still in a sad state of affair, even in 2012 :( upgraded my ubuntu partition to 11.10, put the latest version of AMD proprietary drivers… When using myth w/ OpenGL, often it would freeze, I would have to go into the text console then back to graphic for the display to unlock

[21:13:17]

jya:

and with the open source drivers, all the people in videos have blue/green face

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azertyu:

hi there

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azertyu:

is there any tv tuner to satellite tv converter ?

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tweek__:

Nvidia VDPAU used to kernel panic on a regular basis

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[R]:

azertyu: a what?

[21:17:38]

azertyu:

what tuner an usual tv integrate ? [R]

[21:18:10]

[R]:

azertyu: what?

[21:18:29]

azertyu:

do you speak english ? [R]

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[R]:

yes, but you don't seem to

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azertyu:

that's why you don't even get a basic question

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[R]:

rofl

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GTswagger:

Is there a preferred method/place to request fixes to the github packaging ebuilds?

[21:19:32]

[R]:

its called grammar, please learn it if you are goign to act all high and mighty

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GTswagger:

s/[R] grammar fascist/untentional huge irony factory/

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[R]:

GTswagger: i think wagnerrp maintains them, so talk to him

[21:20:07]

azertyu:

well it is not a grammar and vocabulary channel here

[21:20:07]

GTswagger:

:)

[21:20:15]

azertyu:

well i don't go in deep

[21:20:21]

azertyu:

well my question is just only what sort tuner card an

[21:20:24]

GTswagger:

wagnerrp: pingy!

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[R]:

azertyu: yes, but if you would like people to understand you, you have to say thi9ngs that make sense

[21:20:33]

azertyu:

TV intergrate

[21:20:38]

wagnerrp:

are you talking about the sandbox fix? or the header dependency fix?

[21:20:49]

Seeker`:

azertyu: I think that [R] was reqesting that you speak english

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justinh:

English (deleted).. DO YOU SPEAK IT? heh

[21:20:55]

azertyu:

well tell me what things not make sense ?

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[R]:

justinh: HAHA

[21:21:03]

GTswagger:

wagnerrp: linuxtv-dvb fix ... no mythvideo pre_0.25 ebuild

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[R]:

azertyu: the entire question

[21:21:05]

justinh:

do they speak English in what?

[21:21:20]

tweek__:

SAY WHAT AGAIN

[21:21:23]

wagnerrp:

GTswagger: whats wrong with mythvideo?

[21:21:27]

GTswagger:

wagnerrp: Gentoo now has linuxtv-dvb-headers as virtual/ and not media-(something)/

[21:21:43]

wagnerrp:

so yes, the header dependency fix

[21:21:46]

[R]:

justinh: i hate that movie

[21:22:05]

GTswagger:

wagnerrp: There isn't a pre_0.25 ebuild for mythvideo, only a 0.24 ... whereas all the others have proper pre_0.25 ebuilds

[21:22:09]

azertyu:

well don't go you ppl out of toppic

[21:22:13]

GTswagger:

wagnerrp: ah, sorry, when you say headers I think C code :)

[21:22:15]

azertyu:

straight to my question

[21:22:27]

wagnerrp:

GTswagger: yes, there is no 0.25 ebuild for mythvideo

[21:22:39]

azertyu:

what sort of tuner card TV intergrate ?

[21:22:42]

wagnerrp:

i dont see the problem with that

[21:23:00]

GTswagger:

wagnerrp: is the functionality now included into MythTV or something?

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justinh:

[R]: heh. I hate just about everything *but* that movie.

[21:23:04]

[R]:

azertyu: asking the same thing over and over again doesnt change the answer... it STILL makes no sense

[21:23:05]

wagnerrp:

yes

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jya:

what is a " tv tuner to satellite tv converter" ?

[21:23:12]

wagnerrp:

there is no mythvideo in 0.25

[21:23:15]

GTswagger:

wagnerrp: sweet!

[21:24:03]

GTswagger:

wagnerrp: HUGE HUGE HUGE thanks for maintaining the github ebuilds. I just migrated to Gentoo from Arch to escape being clubbed to death by the Linux kernel mceusb "THOU SHALT NOT SEND IR SIGNALS!" debacle

[21:24:05]

justinh:

azertyu: do you mean, by any chance, a box you connect to the TV which you plug into a dish? Then YES. If you want something that isn't a set-top-box, then NO

[21:24:29]

wagnerrp:

GTswagger: honestly, ive been a bit lax about it

[21:24:45]

wagnerrp:

ive been holding off updating the ebuilds while writing a new script to generate them

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GTswagger:

wagnerrp: what you have is infinitely better than what is in portage or mt-mythtv overlay

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[R]:

a script to generate a script

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[R]:

what has this world come to

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wagnerrp:

but have been procrastinating writing the script due to anger over lack of a couple necessary options in the github api

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azertyu:

what sort of TV tuner card so integrates the TV?

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[R]:

[02:23:04] [R] azertyu: asking the same thing over and over again doesnt change the answer... it STILL makes no sense

[21:26:03]

wagnerrp:

GTswagger: the problem with markt's ebuilds is that they just blindly use the latest version on github

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azertyu:

ok

[21:26:11]

wagnerrp:

theres no way to control what you actually want to use

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azertyu:

look behind your TV

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justinh:

azertyu: you mean you want to convert a regular TV into something that will accept satellite signals without a set top box?

[21:26:26]

justinh:

no such thing is available

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GTswagger:

wagnerrp: if you help me beat with a club the Linux kernel developers who migrated mceusb to devinput and then went "HERP DERP you mean you want to SEND IR signals?" I'll help you beat with a club github folks. :)

[21:26:36]

jya:

azertyu: i think that because you aren't using the proper technical term, we don't know what you are referring to

[21:26:42]

azertyu:

correct justinh

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wagnerrp:

!seen j-rod

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MythLogBot:

j-rod was last seen 121 days 4 hours 41 minutes 51 seconds ago

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wagnerrp:

seems hes not about

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azertyu:

i m sure that one exist

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azertyu:

justinh:

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GTswagger:

wagnerrp: j-rod is the guy who did that in the kernel?

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[R]:

azertyu: and what does any of this have to do with mythtv?

[21:27:32]

azertyu:

my cable operator provide that functionality

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wagnerrp:

he is the current maintainer

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wagnerrp:

whether he actually made it difficult to transmit using the mceusb devices

[21:28:05]

GTswagger:

wagnerrp: Please tell me there is some really really really good reason for sodomizing anybody with a IR blaster?

[21:28:10]

justinh:

azertyu: what? you ain't making no sense

[21:28:10]

wagnerrp:

or it was already difficult, and he just changed the input mechanism

[21:28:12]

wagnerrp:

i cant say

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wagnerrp:

i dont use lirc for transmission

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wagnerrp:

so i have no experience with it

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GTswagger:

wagnerrp: it's literally impossible .... devinput CANNOT send anything ... what so ever. Was never designed or intended to do so.

[21:29:00]

GTswagger:

You have to try to run simultaneous lircs ... one in userspace, one in kernel ... one for sending IR, one for blasting IR

[21:29:13]

GTswagger:

It's fscking impossible.

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justinh:

azertyu: anyway, it doesn't seem likely you'll get the answer you want here. this is a channel supporting an open source DVR app

[21:29:52]

azertyu:

just tell me what device i need to buy ?

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justinh:

azertyu: FOR WHAT?

[21:30:29]

azertyu:

ok let me explain you what i have done

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GTswagger:

wagnerrp: out of curiosity, what do you use for IR? Because LIRC seems like a dead end.

[21:30:50]

wagnerrp:

lirc, with an mceusb

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GTswagger:

wagnerrp: It's had this little mceusb problem for nearly a year now.

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azertyu:

i connect my dish cable to my TV and when i tune there is no channel

[21:31:00]

wagnerrp:

using lircd/lircrc as normal

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GTswagger:

wagnerrp: uname -r ?

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wagnerrp:

3.2.1

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azertyu:

connect To my TV directly on the coaxial port

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GTswagger:

WTF!

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justinh:

azertyu: that has NOTHING to do with mythtv

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** [R] hugs his lirc_serial **

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justinh:

azertyu: you CANNOT connect a satellite cable directly to a TV

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[R]:

OLD SKOOL BABY

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azertyu:

of course it is related

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justinh:

it is NOT

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wagnerrp:

i had to record a new lircd.conf after switching to 0.9.0

[21:31:59]

GTswagger:

wagnerrp: did you rip out kernel mceusb and surgically implant old lirc ... or are you not transmitting via lirc?

[21:31:59]

azertyu:

once i get the channel i want to use mythtv

[21:32:02]

wagnerrp:

but besides that, it works as it did previously

[21:32:18]

wagnerrp:

im just receiving, not transmitting

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GTswagger:

ah, therein is the problem.

[21:32:32]

azertyu:

why we can not connect satellite cable directly to tv ?

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azertyu:

justinh:

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GTswagger:

I don't know of ANYBODY in Kernel 3.x land successfully using mceusb to transmit.

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wagnerrp:

azertyu: because TVs dont have satellite tuners

[21:33:19]

GTswagger:

End user: Please change channels for me thanks. Kernel: What is this "send ir" you speak of??

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** GTswagger facepalms **

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justinh:

wagnerrp: in Europe, some do

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justinh:

azertyu: for that to work your TV must SUPPORT use of a satellite system

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justinh:

if it doesn't come with a satellite tuner built in, you're stuck – then you have to use an external box

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azertyu:

then how my cable TV provider do that dirrectly connecting to TV directly

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justinh:

because your cable TV provider is using a different means of transmission to satellite

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justinh:

and because a dish/LNB needs power, which a non-satellite tuner doesn't provide

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justinh:

and because a cable/antenna tuner doesn't know how to control the LNB on the dish

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azertyu:

on my city my cable TV provide got a dish at home and cable around the city, and from my home i just only need to connect the coaxial cable directly to my TV to search for channel availability and it works, why not working for me in the same way ?

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AndyCap:

...

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wagnerrp:

because your tv does not support the interface protocols used by satellite broadcasts

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[R]:

my head hurts

[21:37:20]

wagnerrp:

theres nothing more to it

[21:37:26]

wagnerrp:

its lacking necessary hardware

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[R]:

wagnerrp: that's what she said

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AndyCap:

azertyu: you go to your cable-tv provider and ask them to show you how it really works.

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justinh:

lol

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wagnerrp:

your TV manufacturer chose to build a less expensive product, by not making it universally capable with everything

[21:38:49]

wagnerrp:

azertyu: its the same reason why your TV doesnt have the ASI or SDI inputs typically used in a broadcast studio

[21:39:01]

wagnerrp:

it just doesnt

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russell5:

so i moved recently and still have fios but got a new cable box. same model but i assume newer. now all of a sudden recording form firewire is really unstable.

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Seeker`:

azertyu: for the same reason you can't plug a brand new intel processor in to a decade old motherboard, or use an ISA graphics card in a PCIe slot

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russell5:

i keep getting these in my backend logs

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russell5:

rom1394_0 warning: read failed: 0x0000fffff000040c

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wagnerrp:

russell5: so dont use a cable box or firewire

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AndyCap:

russell5: sounds like and improvement from the cable providers point of view. :P

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wagnerrp:

return it for a cable card, buy a cablecard tuner, and enjoy the return on investment in about a year

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[R]:

ISA... those were the deays

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azertyu:

justinh:how many different mode of transmission to satellite exist ?

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wagnerrp:

!url lmgtfy DVB-S

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MythLogBot:

lmgtfy: http://lmgtfy.com?q=DVB%2DS

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[R]:

wagnerrp: you know, my myth system was supposed to pa yfor itsel.. and i think im still waiting for that to happen

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AndyCap:

[R]: you'll make it up in volume

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russell5:

yeah whats the cheapest cablecard tuner

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[R]:

AndyCap: ROFL

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wagnerrp:

russell5: DCR-2650, two tuners for one M-card, somewhere around $130

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wagnerrp:

so a single $10/mo cable box to a single $2/mo cablecard

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wagnerrp:

youre looking at maybe 16 months, and you have double the inputs

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russell5:

could you do two channels at once with one cable card with that?

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wagnerrp:

you can do up to 6 channels with a single cablecard

[21:43:24]

wagnerrp:

but that specific tuner only does 2

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justinh:

azertyu: in simple terms, your cable provider isn't just taking signals from a bunch of dishes & putting them down a cable :-)

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wagnerrp:

the HDHR Prime is more expensive for 3

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wagnerrp:

the InfiniTV is even more expensive for 4

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wagnerrp:

there arent any available that actually do 6

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russell5:

i have a 2250 that does 90% of my recording but there are still a few things i need the cable box for

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azertyu:

so if you know how they do then ? justinh

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justinh:

azertyu: they do a whole lot more than any TV would ever do put it that way

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azertyu:

what device need to buy to do it in the same way ?

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wagnerrp:

!url lmgtfy cable headend

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MythLogBot:

lmgtfy: http://lmgtfy.com?q=cable%20headend

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[R]:

lol

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justinh:

so anyway if you're looking to get all the channels you'd get over cable, with a dish, for free... er...

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justinh:

you aren't gonna

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azertyu:

what i m looking is just only with one dish one cable a spliter dispatching 3 cables in 3 TV without using any setop box

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wagnerrp:

so youre not looking to use mythtv?

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azertyu:

between spliter and TV

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wagnerrp:

you wouldnt put mythtv between the splitter and tv, because mythtv IS the splitter

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justinh:

you can't get much satellite TV for free in the USA as far as I know. Anything worth having needs to be paid for, and you need a set to box

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awalls:

GTswagger: I think you have to use the mceusb module, the lirc_dev module and the ir-lirc-codec module

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awalls:

and lirc userspace to actually transmit

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awalls:

I could be wrong though.

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wagnerrp:

you record off a satellite card with mythtv, and then you play back on mythtv frontends attached to each tv

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azertyu:

i don't care free or not this is just only for test purpose justinh

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justinh:

wagnerrp: in the US though.. not gonna get many channels for free

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wagnerrp:

is he in the US?

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azertyu:

if possible what device need to buy ?

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wagnerrp:

azertyu: are you in the US?

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azertyu:

no

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justinh:

azertyu: you'd need at least one DVB-S tuner

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wagnerrp:

where?

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azertyu:

i allready got one dvb s tuner

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azertyu:

what else need ?

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azertyu:

justinh:

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wagnerrp:

a PC to plug it in, filled with hard drives, to use as a backend

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wagnerrp:

and three more PCs, connected to each of your tvs

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azertyu:

i got one satelite receiver

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justinh:

no I mean a DVB-S tuner for a PC

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justinh:

like a PCI or PCI-E card, or a USB DVB-S tuner

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azertyu:

why on pc ?

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azertyu:

i want to watch channel on my tv

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wagnerrp:

BECAUSE YOURE IN A MYTHTV SUPPORT CHANNEL

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justinh:

you said you want to use mythtv

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wagnerrp:

MYTHTV RUNS ON PCS

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: you mean I can't use mythtv without any boxes?

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azertyu:

LOL

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azertyu:

waste of time

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azertyu:

leave it

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azertyu:

good bye

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justinh:

if you want to watch channel from satellite on your TV you need to get a set top box

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sid3windr:

=)

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azertyu:

dont want

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azertyu:

bye

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[R]:

lol

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wagnerrp:

im freaking out man...

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sid3windr:

time for making sense 101

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justinh:

bloody french speaking countries. it's all their fault

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roknir:

hm, #mythtv-users is interesting today... :D

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awalls:

Nick: azertyu Real name: New Now Know How

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awalls:

hehe

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sid3windr:

how now brown cow

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AndyCap:

awalls: that would be french for qwertyu

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AndyCap:

wonder if qsdf will show next.

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wagnerrp:

wtf...

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awalls:

zdravstvoitye

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justinh:

do those guys only show up when I'm in here?

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justinh:

or what?

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Seeker`:

:O you mean you guys don't hve a version of mythtv that runs without any boxes at all? :(]

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roknir:

when you download myth, the container is a cardboard box... you just think it's a .deb.

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awalls:

Seeker`: that would be the Muthyical version of MythTV

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awalls:

/Mythical/

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** knightr wonders if he should be pissed or hide since he is from a French speaking country... **

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wagnerrp:

nah, youre from a french speaking state, the rest of your country speaks english...

[22:03:09]

wagnerrp:

:)

[22:04:02]

justinh:

for one, you speak English better than if you lived in What

[22:05:33]

justinh:

time for bed now. Big day ahead tomorrow, wazzing a baby out & bringing it into the world.. and I have to be there

[22:05:54]

wagnerrp:

another so soon?

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justinh:

yup. we couldn't believe our luck. or something

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justinh:

funny, I always thought experience would make me feel less spooked. not in this case ;-)

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awalls:

the second one is when you lose all your spare time

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awalls:

After that, numbers 3 and 4 are easy

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knightr:

nope, I'm in the state (actually province) where people speak predominantly French (but I probably work in the most bilinguial city in the province, Montreal...)

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Beirdo:

knightr: yeah yeah, but let's not forget the French that ain't Quebecois (like my ancestors in Manitoba)

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Beirdo:

:)

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knightr:

justinh, if you were talking to me, thank you! :)

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awalls:

Crud, its snowing. :(

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Beirdo:

knightr: how is Montreal these days? snowy or not?

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jya:

I'm actually surprised to read yanks talking about another country than their own… when did they become aware they existed?

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awalls:

We disparage all other countries equally

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awalls:

(well maybe France a little more than most)

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Beirdo:

jya: you better not be talking about me :) I'm an expatriate Canadian :)

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knightr:

Beirdo, I'm not forgetting them, that's why I said I'm in the province that speaks predominantly French but I said I was in a French speaking country...

[22:11:17]

tweek__:

is it true that basically everyone in Canada hates Quebec?

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knightr:

Beirdo, there's almost no snow left...

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jya:

tweek__: they are just jealous

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Beirdo:

heh, yeah, Canada is French-speaking... well, kinda (don't ask a Parisian)

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knightr:

tweek__, yes, even us... (I'm from that province...)

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knightr:

:)

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jya:

Beirdo: that's right… I prefer to talk in English to Canadians, no matter which province they are from...

[22:12:30]

Beirdo:

jya: ummm, no, it's the attitude of the French populace who thinks that their culture needs help to survive even though it's done pretty well for nigh on 300 years with no specific help

[22:12:53]

Beirdo:

I think French is a lovely language, personally

[22:13:13]

Beirdo:

I'm just sooo out of practise

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** awalls wait for the Ob-Matrix quote **

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knightr:

Beirdo, it's one of the two official languages... (but you have to read what was said before I said that to see why I said that, I actually consider Canada to be a bilinguial country, not an exclusively French-speaking one...

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

knightr: good man :)

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Beirdo:

it will be people with that kinda attitude that will hopefully prevail

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** wagnerrp wishes his country stuck to the one official language **

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knightr:

Beirdo, :) let's hope so but I'm not holding my breath, all the crap that happens years ago pissed off a lot of people in and outside Quebec...

[22:15:33]

Beirdo:

true true

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knightr:

s/happens/happened

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tweek__:

secession vote?

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tweek__:

back in '92 I think

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Beirdo:

not secession

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jya:

Time was the day where French was the international language of choice...

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awalls:

It still is in the UN, no?

[22:16:20]

Beirdo:

it was a "referendum" by the people of Quebec, and it was, as expected, inconclusive

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Beirdo:

we spent millions on that mess

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knightr:

awalls, and for the olympic too and a few other things I believe...

[22:17:19]

awalls:

There was a time when Latin was the international language of choice (money and power have a way of influencing such things)

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Beirdo:

knightr: did you see the spoof commercial of "Labatt 50/50" shortly after the referendum?

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chasemb:

will mythtv transcode video and stream to a web browser?

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knightr:

Beirdo, :) :) nope, I wonder if it's on Youtube...

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wagnerrp:

chasemb: sort of

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chasemb:

sort of?

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Beirdo:

I just searched, don't see it... it was on Air Farce or one of those shows :)

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Beirdo:

it was pretty funny

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chasemb:

um, I'm looking for a media center that I can access through a web app, most likely one I will build, and stream the media

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knightr:

Beirdo, Royal Canadian Air Farce?

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jya:

I don't get the upgrading image business on the myth wiki…

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jya:

I uploaded a new version, it still shows the old one. in the list of history, it shows the new one, but reverting to it, still give me the old one

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Beirdo:

knightr: yeah, that show, or another like it... Might have been Rick Mercer, dunno if he was on yet though

[22:23:31]

knightr:

Beirdo, I just found a real Labatt 50 ad from 1988, ads were so bad back then that I wondered at first if it was a real ad or a parody... :)

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Beirdo:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

gah

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Beirdo:

yeah. 50 itself is almost a parody of a beer :)

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wagnerrp:

crazy people doing bad things with my ebuilds

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Beirdo:

although it was my beer of choice in universiyt

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Beirdo:

that was a common beer of choice for UW Engineers though

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Beirdo:

we're a strange lot

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knightr:

LOL...

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** jya done editing the HD Audio wiki page **

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knightr:

sphery, are you sure giving him the answer in the ticket was the right thing to do? The next time he needs helps he'll probably create another ticket if he sees he gets the answers he needs there... :)

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knightr:

(it's not why I referred him to the mailing list though, I didn't know the answer and that wasn't the place to ask that question...)

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wagnerrp:

knightr: theres half a chance he would have just opened up another ticket to ask because the first one got locked

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knightr:

wagnerrp, LOL, didn't think of that one... :) :)

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knightr:

was I actually too quick on the lock?

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wagnerrp:

no, its a risk that must be taken

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Beirdo:

come on, you stupid macbook

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Beirdo:

it's timing out on all my IPv6 connections

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wagnerrp:

hopefully all of them, and not just mythtv

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Beirdo:

all of em

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Beirdo:

it's being a supreme jerk today

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roknir:

i installed a hauppauge hvr-2250. i'm running linux mint 12, which i assume can just be treated as ubuntu 11.10. i'm having problems getting the hard to work outside of mythtv with this error in dmesg: http://pastebin.com/5yxhw0vU anyone know what i can do to make it work?

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roknir:

card**

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wagnerrp:

looks like you need to find a copy of that file, and place it in your firmware folder

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wagnerrp:

probably /lib/firmware or something

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wagnerrp:

the card has no internal code storage

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wagnerrp:

so when you initialize it, you actually have to push code (firmware) into it

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roknir:

gotcha

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roknir:

i found some directions i'll try and see what happens

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Beirdo:

bug squashed

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knightr:

Has anybody ever reported that there was a problem with the S/N ratio we report with some tuners?

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wagnerrp:

all the time

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wagnerrp:

there is nothing incorrect about the signal data we report with some tuners

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Beirdo:

nothing we can do about it unless the drivers give good data

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knightr:

wagnerrp, LOL...

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wagnerrp:

there is something incorrect about the signal data the tuners themselves are giving us

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Beirdo:

garbage in, garbage out

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knightr:

Beirdo, wagnerrp, that was my next question, are all the tuners suppsosed to use an exponential scale?

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knightr:

(we do a log() in the code IIRC)

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knightr:

somebody ona forum mentionned that for him dividing by 10 gave a better result that the log()

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knightr:

s/ona/on a

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Beirdo:

some do one way, some another

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Beirdo:

nothing we can really do

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wagnerrp:

and then some just spew randomness

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wagnerrp:

theres no helping them

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ertyu-m:

myth seems to report /10 of what the hauppauge software does on windows for me

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wagnerrp:

do we do SNR in dB, or some funky percentage?

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knightr:

I don't think the problem is on our side but couldn't the linuxtv guys fix it (or at least have a way to let us know that the data is incorrect and should not be shown...)

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wagnerrp:

youll probably get more informed answers asking some of the linuxtv guys tomorrow

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wagnerrp:

!seen awalls

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MythLogBot:

awalls was last seen 35 minutes 40 seconds ago

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knightr:

wagnerrp, IIRC I I think it's in dB but I never look at it...

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wagnerrp:

!seen devinheitmuesller

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MythLogBot:

devinheitmuesller has not been seen here

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wagnerrp:

!seen devinheitmueller

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MythLogBot:

devinheitmueller was last seen 1 day 23 hours 37 minutes 29 seconds ago

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knightr:

the driver used by the tuner of the person who had mentionned that problem is maintained by Devin I believe (IIRC it was an USB tuner...)

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orange__:

i am a noob and have a question. I am running mythtv on arm platform for several month using archlinux arm. I just update to 0.24.2 and messed up. I would like to reconfigure storage directories to record. I cannot get mythtv-setup to run. It gives me segmentation fault. Mythbackend is running fine as well mythweb. In the past I was able to run mythtv-setup and connect using vnc. My...

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orange__:

...question is can I configure storage directory in a config file somewhere without running mythtv-setup or ur thoughts on how to solve the segmentation fault.

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wagnerrp:

get a backtrace from the core dump

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wagnerrp:

or, do you have a linux desktop somehwere?

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wagnerrp:

or just any machine with an X server?

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knightr:

wagnerrp, thanks, I'll try asking awalls (or better yet devinheitmueller since I think after research I had found he was the maintainer of that driver the next time I see him here or on their channel...)

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k-man:

anyone tried building mythtv with qt 4.8.0 on OSX?

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k-man:

who does the builds of .24fixes for OSX currently?

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wagnerrp:

nigel i think

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wagnerrp:

stuarta has a buildbot

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Beirdo:

yeah, that pretty much covers it

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orange__:

I have linux desktop and I have Xorg running on the arm.

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orange__:

When I use mythtv on win32 and use the slavebackend. It connects to master backend mythconverg(arm machine) but then says mythsocket error writestring error invalid string

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wagnerrp:

orange__: so then just 'ssh -Y' into the machine you want to configure

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wagnerrp:

and run mythtv-setup

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k-man:

i found i had to add an ifdef to be able to compile (recent) fixes branch, i wanted to check if thats just me or its soemthing that i should make a patch for and submit

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wagnerrp:

mythtv should not be run on an arm, they dont have sufficient power to run mythbackend or mysqld

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wagnerrp:

and the windows frontend has always been a bit buggy

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orange__:

yep I can ssh into arm. When I run mythtv-setup I am getting segmentation fault

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tweek__:

does mythcommflag work without a database on Windows?

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tweek__:

just curious

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wagnerrp:

when running natively? or running over VNC? or both?

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wagnerrp:

tweek__: probably

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wagnerrp:

orange__: we really cant diagnose a segfault with a a backtrace, or at the very least some logsa

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orange__:

tweek mythcommflag on frontend works but arm is too weak to do jobs. It just records shows. Cannot do commflag or live tv. Will crash.

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orange__:

wagner running over vnc seg fault. I have not tried natively is that using just ssh -Y. I will get the backtrace

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orange__:

tweek arm is really low power machine saves eletricity bill and low carbon footprint. I feel less guilty leaving it on 24hr/365 days. I use hdhomerunner as my tv tuner.

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wagnerrp:

ARM is a really low performance machine, you can get just as low power using a modern i3 combined with allowing mythtv to automatically scheduler shutdown and startup

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orange__:

but u can use any tuner that has linux support and hardware procoessing on arm platfrom

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wagnerrp:

however tweek__'s question was completely independent to yours

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wagnerrp:

youre using a digital tuner, there is no hardware processing to speak of

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wagnerrp:

and youre still stuck with mediocre scheduler and database performance

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roknir:

now i feel stupid. i was trying to follow these elaborate directions to compile v4l and all this... just copying the firmware into /lib/firmware alone made it work after reboot. :D

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orange__:

as I said I am noob. Didnt know that i3 had such lower power consumption. What about fusion platform

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wagnerrp:

an i3 system with a modest motherboard will idle around 25W

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wagnerrp:

a desktop fusion will idle a bit higher

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wagnerrp:

the nettop fusions (E350) might idle around 10–15W

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wagnerrp:

Atoms will be about the same

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wagnerrp:

but thats just a baseline consumption

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wagnerrp:

theyre all going to go up as you start adding tuners, hard drives, video cards, etc...

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jya:

so who has an arm machine with hdmi output ?

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jya:

wagnerrp: my mac mini 2010 idle at 6W, HD playback: 11–13W

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jya:

2.4GHz C2D with nvidia 320M

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wagnerrp:

well thats cheating, its a laptop sans monitor

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wagnerrp:

:)

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jya:

too bad the new mini have AMD or intel graphics

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sid3windr:

6W sounds pretty sweet

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jya:

what's great is that in sleep mode, it doesn't make a mark on my power monitor

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jya:

talking about sleep mode.

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jya:

whenever I start the TV, it turns the mini on. What I do in my scripts is when stopping/ resuming a kill mythfrontend, it will respawned later. when it respawn, I always get the screen asking me to choose my language

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jya:

no matter how long I make it wait before restarting (I thought it was because it takes a little while for the network to become active)

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wagnerrp:

wait... does that mean it actually does some form of CEC?

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wagnerrp:

or is that just normal plug detection

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jya:

not sure.. I disabled all ACPI wake-up settings

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sid3windr:

sounds like cec

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jya:

because otherwise the BT or USB would always turn it back on after a few seconds

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jya:

so it must be something occuring via the hdmi port, I can't explain anything else

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jya:

i tried long and hard to make it wake up via the IR port, but it has no effect whatsoever

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jya:

in 0.24, i never got the screen, it restarted just fine

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jya:

also, the remote used to work in 0.24 while on the choose your language option

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jya:

not in master

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jya:

I know I wrote a script to run when the pc wakes up, but can't find its location..

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roknir:

is there a good way to test the tuner card outside of mythtv to make sure it's working? (i'm having problems with mythtv-setup not finding channels when i think it should.)

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[R]:

roknir: it depends on what type of card

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roknir:

[R]: hauppauge hvr-2250

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[R]:

and that is what?

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[R]:

i said type, not nane

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[R]:

name*

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roknir:

oh, sorry. atsc/ntsc/clear qam

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[R]:

you can use the dvb tools to scan and mplayer to tune

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roknir:

i can probably figure out mplayer. how do i use the dvb tools?

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[R]:

its gboth on the wiki and in their documentation

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roknir:

do you have a link handy for either? i'm having a hard time finding what you're talking about.

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[R]:

their documentation in the package for them...

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[R]:

as for the wiki, dunno, but i know its there

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roknir:

when you say package, you mean the software package, right?

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[R]:

yes...

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