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| [00:25:19] | helptranscode: | hello |
| [00:25:41] | helptranscode: | I am trying yet another attempt here to automatically strip commercials |
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| [00:28:50] | helptranscode: | Here's a script ive been trying to use: http://pastebin.com/NnkXrVhT |
| [00:29:21] | helptranscode: | I call it as a userjob with the following command: /usr/bin/removecommercials.sh %DIR% %FILE% |
| [00:30:04] | helptranscode: | Basically what happens is that it fails somewhere while commflagging, and the mythcommflag job never ends, its still running according to mythweb |
| [00:30:19] | helptranscode: | the last time it ran, it got to 32% comflagging |
| [00:30:34] | helptranscode: | it did generate a partial cutlist though, and that was re-incorporated back into the original recording |
| [00:31:08] | helptranscode: | so that part seemed to work, I think all I need for this to work properly is to figure out why the commflag jobs never terminate |
| [00:31:55] | helptranscode: | the script leaves a file named CHANID_STARTTIME.mpg.old incase I really want to keep the original file, but it updates mythtv's recordings to use the new file |
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| [00:38:44] | helptranscode: | Any ideas on what might cause a mythcommflag job to hang? |
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| [00:44:51] | Captain_Murdoch: | seektable issue, resolution change in the video which causes a loop to go haywire, can't think of much else off the top of my head. master or 0.24? |
| [00:45:16] | wagnerrp: | plus he keeps using -f |
| [00:45:36] | helptranscode: | its 0.24 with fixes |
| [00:45:42] | helptranscode: | mythbuntu distro |
| [00:45:52] | wagnerrp: | meaning it will be written to filemarkup rather than recordedmarkup |
| [00:46:49] | helptranscode: | I love this, I'm an electrical engineer, I've been writing software for 15 years, but I am at the mercy of undocumented commandline script options |
| [00:47:12] | wagnerrp: | thats because youre doing things it was never intended to do |
| [00:47:21] | helptranscode: | yeah i suppose so |
| [00:47:22] | wagnerrp: | and --file version --chanid/--starttime are documented |
| [00:47:29] | wagnerrp: | s/version/versus/ |
| [00:48:09] | helptranscode: | ok, so instead of the %DIR% %FILE% related options, it should be using %CHANID% and %STARTTIME% ? |
| [00:48:28] | wagnerrp: | for what you pass into mythcommflag, yes |
| [00:48:35] | helptranscode: | ok |
| [00:48:55] | wagnerrp: | however your script will want to have both, so for your own manipulations, you dont have to go digging through the database to figure out where the files are located |
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| [00:52:57] | helptranscode: | The script didnt paste fully: heres the rest: http://pastebin.com/fKLiPUGe it includes the database stuff |
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| [00:55:46] | wagnerrp: | if youre going to tinker in the database, its really better to use a language that can actually access the database |
| [00:56:05] | sphery: | like bash |
| [00:56:10] | sphery: | /dev/tcp |
| [00:56:19] | sphery: | or whatever |
| [00:56:29] | wagnerrp: | there are official bindings for perl, python, and php, which at the very least would give you the database credentials and proper input formatting |
| [00:56:46] | wagnerrp: | or if you prefer, there are third party bindings for ruby and java |
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| [00:58:59] | helptranscode: | Before the database stuff even happens, the commflagging is failing though |
| [00:59:11] | helptranscode: | meaning it doesnt complete, and doesnt exist |
| [00:59:28] | helptranscode: | it still says 32% complete from this morning, and the cpu useage is like 2% now |
| [00:59:40] | helptranscode: | the 32% complete is displayed in mythweb |
| [01:00:14] | wagnerrp: | dont know what would cause that |
| [01:00:24] | helptranscode: | If I use mythtv to play a video that was run with the script, it does use the shortened, transcoded video with the first few commercials cut out |
| [01:00:40] | helptranscode: | but the rest are still there |
| [01:00:42] | wagnerrp: | although if it was updating something in mythweb, that means you passed it a jobid when you ran it |
| [01:00:44] | helptranscode: | it's bizarre |
| [01:00:50] | wagnerrp: | such that it could update its current status in the database |
| [01:01:00] | wagnerrp: | which is not the command you had listed in the script |
| [01:01:30] | helptranscode: | i used mythweb to call a user job, the user job was just the /usr/bin/script.sh %DIR% %FILE% |
| [01:02:31] | helptranscode: | brb |
| [01:06:55] | russell5: | does redlight coming from the optical cable mean that gentoo/mythtv is using the port correctly? |
| [01:07:08] | wagnerrp: | nope |
| [01:07:23] | wagnerrp: | doesnt mean anything more than the sound card is powering up the LED |
| [01:07:30] | russell5: | thats what i thought |
| [01:07:59] | wagnerrp: | these days, most people are eschewing SPDIF for HDMI audio |
| [01:08:15] | wagnerrp: | if youve got sufficiently recent equipment to do so |
| [01:09:19] | russell5: | yeah i can do that but i like to use dkms to put my tv in sleep mode. that way when i wake up the computer the tv turns back on. no need to use the tv remote |
| [01:09:40] | wagnerrp: | ? |
| [01:09:52] | wagnerrp: | what does that have to do with audio? |
| [01:09:55] | russell5: | sorry i have dvi form mythtv to the tv |
| [01:10:10] | wagnerrp: | DVI from what video card? |
| [01:10:16] | russell5: | nvidia |
| [01:10:20] | russell5: | gt220 |
| [01:10:34] | wagnerrp: | youve got half a chance that supports audio over DVI |
| [01:11:06] | wagnerrp: | even my old GF8400 used HDMI transmitters for its DVI port |
| [01:11:30] | wagnerrp: | but the 8 and 9 series didnt actually have the audio hardware to drive it |
| [01:11:35] | russell5: | mmmm |
| [01:12:00] | wagnerrp: | i would have had to solder into the spdif holes to push audio through that card |
| [01:12:22] | wagnerrp: | but i wouldnt be surprised if you could do DVI audio on a GT220 |
| [01:12:34] | wagnerrp: | (assuming its HDMI on the other end of the cable) |
| [01:13:36] | russell5: | is there a chance i can do audio through hdmi and use dvi for video? |
| [01:13:40] | russell5: | its a dvi to dvi cable |
| [01:13:52] | wagnerrp: | huh? |
| [01:14:23] | russell5: | instead of trying to get optical to work. use hdmi for audio but keep video through dvi |
| [01:14:29] | wagnerrp: | why? |
| [01:15:05] | russell5: | audio is going to reciever not tv. So i can have the tv go into sleep mode and not have to use an extra remote |
| [01:15:25] | wagnerrp: | send audio and video over HDMI into the receiver, have the receiver push the video into the TV |
| [01:15:47] | russell5: | thats how i have it set up now |
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| [01:30:12] | mrshakeipad: | Im seeing a problem with recordings. I will see 2 listings, one is greed out with an x next to it, the other will be o.oogb |
| [01:30:34] | mrshakeipad: | Neither plays and there is no recording of e show |
| [01:30:41] | mrshakeipad: | Thoughts? |
| [01:30:42] | wagnerrp: | how are you recording them? |
| [01:30:54] | mrshakeipad: | Hdhomerun |
| [01:31:01] | wagnerrp: | through cable? |
| [01:31:05] | mrshakeipad: | Using the guide |
| [01:31:07] | mrshakeipad: | It's |
| [01:31:10] | mrshakeipad: | Ever |
| [01:31:18] | mrshakeipad: | OTA |
| [01:31:48] | wagnerrp: | is it possible you have antenna alignment issues, or something else that would cause a poor signal? |
| [01:31:58] | wagnerrp: | is it possible the station may have switched frequencies at some point? |
| [01:32:07] | mrshakeipad: | Im watching live just fine |
| [01:32:28] | mrshakeipad: | And its multiple channels |
| [01:32:42] | wagnerrp: | is it possible anything else on your network besides that single backend ever accesses the HDHR? |
| [01:33:16] | mrshakeipad: | I have a second mythtv |
| [01:33:21] | mrshakeipad: | Fronted only |
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| [01:33:28] | wagnerrp: | only the backend records |
| [01:33:35] | wagnerrp: | the frontend only plays content from the backend |
| [01:33:36] | mrshakeipad: | Correct |
| [01:33:40] | mrshakeipad: | Yes |
| [01:33:49] | wagnerrp: | what version of mythtv is this? |
| [01:33:51] | mrshakeipad: | Assuming its setup right... Hahah |
| [01:34:03] | mrshakeipad: | Latest myth buntu build |
| [01:34:10] | wagnerrp: | be specific |
| [01:34:20] | wagnerrp: | mythbackend --version |
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| [01:34:37] | wagnerrp: | there should be a string in there, with a bunch of alphanumeric characters at the end |
| [01:34:39] | wagnerrp: | i want that |
| [01:34:45] | mrshakeipad: | Wait one |
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| [01:36:19] | wagnerrp: | huh... chronicles of riddick on THIS |
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| [01:36:26] | wagnerrp: | thats awfully new and high budget for them |
| [01:36:29] | mrshakeipad: | Stupid iPad |
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| [01:37:02] | mrshakeipad: | G1de0431 |
| [01:37:12] | wagnerrp: | i mean the whole thing |
| [01:37:21] | mrshakeipad: | Hold on |
| [01:37:23] | wagnerrp: | im really more interested in the two values to the left of that |
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| [01:38:00] | wagnerrp: | the version tag, and the number that denotes revisions since that tag |
| [01:38:01] | mrshakeipad: | 0.24.1–80 |
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| [01:38:09] | wagnerrp: | ok, new enough |
| [01:38:43] | wagnerrp: | there was formerly an issue with the HDHR libraries, where if you defined them using an IP address rather than autodetection, you could only ever access the first tuner |
| [01:38:58] | mrshakeipad: | Aahh |
| [01:39:01] | wagnerrp: | if you had defined both tuners, and were recording on them simultaneously, bad things would happen |
| [01:39:09] | wagnerrp: | but it should be fixed by that revision |
| [01:39:30] | wagnerrp: | only thing left is to look through backend logs at the time of the recording |
| [01:39:39] | mrshakeipad: | K |
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| [02:55:28] | sdkovacs: | is it ok to ask an OT question here about CentOS? I know it's frowned upon on the list |
| [02:56:12] | [R]: | this isn't #centos... |
| [02:56:51] | sdkovacs: | :) I know. I registered my nick and still have difficulties getting into the #centos. I'll keep trying |
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| [03:20:55] | FLeiXiuS: | Why would myth choose to record a later showing rather the next available while nothing else is conflicting? |
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| [03:37:30] | sphery: | FLeiXiuS: it never would do so--unless you tell it to do so |
| [03:37:59] | sphery: | FLeiXiuS: it will /always/ choose the first available showing unless you prioritize one higher |
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| [03:38:42] | sphery: | usually when you don't see why it's choosing a later one, it's because you're doing something like using input or channel priorities |
| [03:38:51] | sphery: | (which don't really work the way people think they do) |
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| [03:46:08] | sphery: | FLeiXiuS: oh, it /will/ choose a later showing if the current showing is not a complete showing (i.e. if you schedule the recording after the program start time or if your backend is booted after the program start time) |
| [03:46:20] | sphery: | so I guess it would do so in one situation :) |
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| [04:33:20] | FLeiXiuS: | sphery, that wasnt the case..this has been scheduled for a long timne |
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| [05:09:27] | [R]: | so my schedules direct payment is showing up as "Charities & Organizations" on my credit card |
| [05:21:50] | Captain_Murdoch: | probably because it's a non-profit |
| [05:22:04] | Captain_Murdoch: | and it is a .org :) |
| [05:22:29] | Captain_Murdoch: | and technically you're not buying anything, you're making a donation. |
| [05:22:56] | [R]: | yeah, proabbly the non-profit thing |
| [05:23:24] | Captain_Murdoch: | IIRC, the YMCA charge on my bill came up the same way. |
| [05:24:17] | wagnerrp: | Captain_Murdoch, Beirdo: im just starting on a patch that will create a separate BackendServerIP6, and make master backend selection dependent on a match with either that or the old option |
| [05:24:47] | wagnerrp: | 6543 will listen on both (meaning two separate listen sockets), same with 6544 |
| [05:24:50] | Beirdo: | Sweet |
| [05:24:59] | Beirdo: | I like that very much |
| [05:24:59] | wagnerrp: | upnp will be disabled unless the ipv4 address is specified |
| [05:25:19] | wagnerrp: | and the frontend will obey those settings for its sockets as well, if defined for that host |
| [05:25:21] | Captain_Murdoch: | nice. |
| [05:26:00] | wagnerrp: | ok, sounds good |
| [05:26:16] | wagnerrp: | just wanted to make sure i got a "dont do that!" now, rather than several hours into it |
| [05:40:11] | mangus580: | wagnerrp: I found the tutorial I needed.... if you want I can pass the link to you in case the question comes up again |
| [05:40:40] | wagnerrp: | post it somewhere on the wiki |
| [05:40:52] | wagnerrp: | or paraphrase the directions directly into the wiki |
| [05:42:04] | mangus580: | k – I will work on that tomorrow |
| [05:44:51] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: you'll likely need to duplicate the masterbackend setting too |
| [05:45:00] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: why is that? |
| [05:45:31] | Beirdo: | MasterServerIP |
| [05:45:37] | wagnerrp: | why, not why |
| [05:45:38] | wagnerrp: | what |
| [05:45:50] | Beirdo: | as it can be IPv6 too |
| [05:46:01] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [05:46:11] | Beirdo: | for slave->master backend comms |
| [05:46:19] | Beirdo: | or do we not care about that right now? |
| [05:46:45] | Beirdo: | I dunno |
| [05:46:51] | wagnerrp: | the slave can connect to the master backend through the IPv6 address if defined |
| [05:46:57] | Beirdo: | heh, you're aware of it though, so all is fine |
| [05:47:13] | wagnerrp: | if it cant because ipv6 is not configured on that host.... |
| [05:47:16] | Beirdo: | just wanted to make sure it didn't get missed :) |
| [05:47:24] | wagnerrp: | well then you shouldnt be configuring mythbackend to use ipv6 in the first aplce |
| [05:47:35] | Beirdo: | true true |
| [05:47:50] | wagnerrp: | to be honest, im not sure if theres a real need to have the internal protocol listen on both ipv4 and ipv6 |
| [05:48:07] | wagnerrp: | the http server, sure |
| [05:48:09] | Beirdo: | I'd rather have it able to do so |
| [05:48:13] | wagnerrp: | and upnp stuff needs ipv4 |
| [05:48:18] | Beirdo: | but dunno if it's really needed |
| [05:48:34] | wagnerrp: | its not all that much work to make it so |
| [05:48:47] | wagnerrp: | just a couple lines to add a second socket server and manage cleanup |
| [05:48:53] | Beirdo: | it might be nice to be able to have slaves and master (or FE) on IPv6 spanning IPv4 subnets (like my network) :) |
| [05:49:42] | Beirdo: | not really necessary though |
| [05:49:48] | wagnerrp: | im just thinking any machine youre going to be running a frontend or backend on is going to be a modern linux |
| [05:49:56] | wagnerrp: | and a modern linux has no problem running ipv6 |
| [05:50:18] | wagnerrp: | maintaining simultaneous ipv4 support is more for devices outside our control |
| [05:50:49] | wagnerrp: | i.e. upnp, accessing services api from across the internet, mobile devices that dont do ipv6, etc... |
| [05:51:53] | [R]: | what about those centos freaks |
| [05:51:56] | ** [R] snickers ** | |
| [05:52:06] | wagnerrp: | i have to believe centos has robust support for ipv6 |
| [05:52:29] | [R]: | lol |
| [05:53:40] | al_nz1: | yo |
| [05:54:00] | al_nz1: | hey wagnerrp |
| [05:54:05] | wagnerrp: | evening |
| [05:54:12] | al_nz1: | how do I get those videos into the media directory please? |
| [05:54:22] | al_nz1: | wagnerrp: you a night owl or something? |
| [05:54:33] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/Video_Library |
| [05:54:43] | [R]: | how dare you suggest someone read the documentation!@ |
| [05:54:46] | wagnerrp: | define the paths in the Videos storage group on whatever host they exist |
| [05:55:01] | wagnerrp: | and then scan for content in the frontend in Media Library -> Watch Videos |
| [05:55:04] | al_nz1: | i have defined the paths and put the videos in the folder |
| [05:55:08] | wagnerrp: | (its in the 'm' menu) |
| [05:55:11] | al_nz1: | ahhh – the scan bit |
| [05:55:46] | al_nz1: | hmmm, under media library I have |
| [05:55:49] | al_nz1: | watch videos |
| [05:55:51] | al_nz1: | watch recordings |
| [05:55:55] | al_nz1: | listen music |
| [05:55:57] | al_nz1: | image gallery |
| [05:56:03] | al_nz1: | nothing about scanning? |
| [05:56:21] | wagnerrp: | [00:55] <wagnerrp> and then scan for content in the frontend in Media Library -> Watch Videos |
| [05:56:45] | al_nz1: | yep – and when I click on watch videos nothing shows up |
| [05:56:56] | wagnerrp: | you have to open the 'm' menu |
| [05:57:13] | wagnerrp: | [00:55] <wagnerrp> (its in the 'm' menu) |
| [05:57:28] | wagnerrp: | (hint: press 'm') |
| [05:57:31] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [05:59:41] | al_nz1: | was that "m" ? |
| [05:59:43] | al_nz1: | :-) |
| [05:59:45] | al_nz1: | found it |
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| [06:45:24] | wagnerrp: | doh! |
| [06:45:29] | wagnerrp: | ietf.org cant be offline |
| [06:45:42] | wagnerrp: | thats like... one of the signs of the apocalypse |
| [06:46:26] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: in the case of frontends on hosts where BackendServerIP is not configured, right now we listen everywhere |
| [06:46:47] | wagnerrp: | im going to restrict that to RFC5735 private network addresses |
| [06:46:57] | wagnerrp: | (if i can ever load the page to figure out what they are) |
| [06:48:05] | wagnerrp: | IMHO, we should never default to listening on a routable IP address |
| [06:48:35] | wagnerrp: | on the rare occasion that a user is actually running on a machine with a public IPv4 address, they can set the necessary option to force it |
| [06:51:24] | AndyCap: | fortunately other people mirror them. :P http://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc5735 http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc5735.html |
| [06:51:49] | AndyCap: | Ooh. 0/8 |
| [06:52:43] | wagnerrp: | thanks, didnt really need them... private network definitions havent changed since RFC1918 |
| [06:53:01] | wagnerrp: | so that means 10/8, 172.16/12, and 192.168/16 |
| [06:53:53] | AndyCap: | unless you want to include 169.254/16 |
| [06:54:11] | wagnerrp: | link local? |
| [06:54:24] | wagnerrp: | nah... just use loopback in such an event |
| [07:04:38] | Beirdo: | hmmm |
| [07:04:45] | Beirdo: | link local != loopback |
| [07:04:53] | Beirdo: | you really should allow link local too |
| [07:05:00] | Beirdo: | especially in IPv6-land |
| [07:05:06] | wagnerrp: | i know, but we default to loopback, not link local |
| [07:05:10] | wagnerrp: | and loopback will always exist |
| [07:05:26] | Beirdo: | one would sure hope so |
| [07:05:43] | wagnerrp: | i cant imagine what kind of borked system would not have 127.0.0.1 |
| [07:05:58] | Beirdo: | it's not necessary to have, but who disables it? it would be dumb |
| [07:07:24] | wagnerrp: | in any case, this is just autoconfigured addresses for the frontend's http/command sockets, in case there is no backend to define them, and the user has not otherwise set them |
| [07:07:39] | Beirdo: | gotcha |
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| [07:14:04] | Beirdo: | besides, if ya get it slightly wrong, it can always get tweaked :) |
| [07:14:52] | wagnerrp: | http://pastebin.com/GdhtveT7 |
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| [07:17:11] | Beirdo: | cool |
| [07:17:53] | wagnerrp: | just populate two lists for v4 and v6 addresses, so different servers can decide which ones they want to use (or both) |
| [07:17:54] | Beirdo: | OMG, cppcheck just found another error I'd never noticed |
| [07:17:59] | Beirdo: | better go check that |
| [07:18:32] | wagnerrp: | and they spawn up a list of listen sockets, rather than just one listen-all |
| [07:18:41] | Beirdo: | Cool |
| [07:19:24] | Beirdo: | in setups without ipv6only set, we may effectively be double-listening to localhost (4 and 6), but I see no harm in that |
| [07:20:06] | wagnerrp: | listening to 127.0.0.1 without ipv6only will automatically listen on ::1? |
| [07:20:11] | wagnerrp: | that seems... wrong... |
| [07:20:41] | Beirdo: | no, but listening on ::1 should catch ipv4 too |
| [07:20:50] | Beirdo: | AFAIK |
| [07:21:16] | Beirdo: | meh, if it does, it does, it sounds like it should all work |
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| [07:26:13] | Beirdo: | actually, I think if you give it specific IPs to listen on, it listens JUST on those IPs. Never mind. |
| [07:26:31] | wagnerrp: | yeah, the other way makes no sense |
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| [07:26:41] | Beirdo: | correct |
| [07:26:51] | Beirdo: | I need sleep or caffeine |
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| [07:33:56] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: any reason why mythlcdserver has an independent log level from everything else? |
| [07:34:16] | wagnerrp: | if (debug_level > 0) LOG("listening on port ...") |
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| [07:34:51] | wagnerrp: | debug_level being set to 0 statically at the top of the file |
| [07:44:30] | Beirdo: | it never got modified past that |
| [07:44:32] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [07:44:49] | Beirdo: | I guess it could use another pass |
| [07:45:15] | wagnerrp: | hmmm... |
| [07:45:51] | wagnerrp: | seems QTcpServer is designed to be used 1:1 with a handler class |
| [07:46:14] | wagnerrp: | i cant point multiple servers at a single newConnection slot |
| [07:46:45] | Beirdo: | that's sucky |
| [07:46:54] | Beirdo: | I can't see why it shouldn't let you |
| [07:47:11] | wagnerrp: | i can, but newConnection() has no arguments |
| [07:47:18] | wagnerrp: | so i have no idea which server instance it came from |
| [07:47:36] | wagnerrp: | i would have to loop through them all with nextPendingConnection() |
| [07:47:48] | wagnerrp: | until i found one that returned something |
| [07:48:24] | Beirdo: | eww |
| [07:48:34] | Beirdo: | I guess it's better than nothing, but eww |
| [07:51:51] | wagnerrp: | anything with a Q_OBJECT macro must be defined in a header, correct? |
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| [07:52:01] | wagnerrp: | i cant have it as a private class in a cpp? |
| [07:52:31] | Beirdo: | you can |
| [07:52:44] | Beirdo: | but you need to #include the moc generated file, IIRC |
| [07:52:56] | wagnerrp: | bleh |
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| [07:52:59] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [07:53:07] | Beirdo: | don't ya love Qt? |
| [07:54:04] | Beirdo: | http://developer.qt.nokia.com/doc/qt-4.8/moc.html |
| [07:54:37] | Beirdo: | so.. #include "filename.moc" at the end of filename.cpp |
| [07:54:55] | Beirdo: | I remembered it was something odd |
| [07:55:57] | wagnerrp: | oh wait... sender() |
| [07:56:24] | wagnerrp: | i wonder how thread safe that is |
| [07:56:36] | wagnerrp: | returns whatever object sent the signal |
| [07:57:40] | wagnerrp: | dynamic_cast<QTcpServer*>(sender()) |
| [08:01:57] | Beirdo: | I would hope it is threadsafe |
| [08:02:10] | Beirdo: | probably have to read up on their site |
| [08:04:25] | wagnerrp: | lcdserver down... thats probably the easy one |
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| [08:12:10] | Beirdo: | heh, probably |
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| [10:32:58] | billy2: | Morning :) |
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| [10:33:46] | billy2: | If i want to use a DVB-T2 turner with mythtv, this its best to wait for a few more supported cards are out and about? |
| [10:37:19] | billy2: | s/this/think |
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| [11:08:37] | kwtm: | Hi. How do I get AutoExpire to set a specific limit for the amount of disk space taken up by my MythTV recordings? Do I need to subtract that amount from my total disk space and then say: "leave [the difference] Gigabytes free on my disk"? |
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| [11:11:14] | kwtm: | Less important question: How do I set up "recording groups"? It is mentioned in the wiki but I can't find the settings in MythTV setup. Specifically I'd like to put all my "news recordings" under a "news recording group" which is then set to autoexpire after a week, whereas other recordings would autoexpire after a month. How do I do this, and is there any way to autoexpire after a set time rather than wait till the total |
| [11:11:16] | kwtm: | disk space decreases beyond a "free space left" limit? |
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| [12:57:41] | Twiggy2cents: | kwtm, Setup->TV settings->General settings will have the auto expire stuff |
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| [18:28:37] | ** wizbit new HD frontend will arrive weds :D ** | |
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| [18:38:05] | aster1sk: | Greetings all – I'm experiencing some strange behaviour and I just don't know enough about the technology to figure out what's happening. |
| [18:39:19] | aster1sk: | When view a stream from Rogers (Toronto) through the 'analog' input of my Hauppage PVR-1600 I can access channels I cannot access using the tuner built into my HD Samsung. |
| [18:40:10] | aster1sk: | For instance I can view channel 44 (Comedy Central) from the Hauppage, but it's unavailable after scanning on the television tuner. |
| [18:40:51] | aster1sk: | Not that it matters, but I'm using Ubuntu Oneiric X86_64 |
| [18:41:34] | aster1sk: | The television tuner states that it is using 'DTV' for that channel. |
| [18:43:28] | wagnerrp: | does your TV have two separate coaxial inputs? |
| [18:43:45] | wagnerrp: | my samsung has separate inputs for analog and digital |
| [18:44:12] | wagnerrp: | if you wanted to use both analog and digital cable on your TV, you would need a splitter, and cables running to both inputs |
| [18:47:30] | aster1sk: | wagnerrp: no only one input |
| [18:47:48] | wagnerrp: | perhaps you told it to only scan for digital |
| [18:48:04] | aster1sk: | Yeah – I run a splitter before my PVR card, though I get nothing on the digital side. |
| [18:48:08] | aster1sk: | I had it scan everything. |
| [18:48:29] | wagnerrp: | wait, are you talking about your tv or your tuner card? |
| [18:48:40] | aster1sk: | I don't care if my TV has any signal whatsoever, I just want to understand why the hauppage card gets channels I may not actually be paying for. |
| [18:48:54] | wagnerrp: | do you have analog or digital cable? |
| [18:48:55] | aster1sk: | My tuner card gets channels I can't get on my tv. Same wire. |
| [18:49:40] | wagnerrp: | the HVR-1600 has two separate tuners, exposed as two separate devices on linux, /dev/video0 and /dev/dvb/adapter0 |
| [18:49:42] | aster1sk: | I didn't know analog cable existed any more – here's my package : https://www.rogers.com/web/link/ptvBrowsePack . . . rdTo=landing Rogers Digital Plus |
| [18:49:52] | aster1sk: | wagnerrp: you are correct – I have the same. |
| [18:50:02] | wagnerrp: | video0 is for analog NTSC, capable of tuning analog broadcasts and analog cable both |
| [18:50:26] | wagnerrp: | adapter0 is for ATSC, capable of tuning digital broadcasts, and unencrypted digital cable |
| [18:50:31] | aster1sk: | Yeah, so rogers must then still support analog cable for their digital subscribers? |
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| [18:50:41] | wagnerrp: | chances are yes |
| [18:50:57] | wagnerrp: | so they the can still plug in their old analog TV sets, rather than having to get cable boxes for each tv |
| [18:50:59] | aster1sk: | So adapter0 is useless for me with rogers, however It is possible to tune ATSC (I'm guessing that's over the air?) |
| [18:51:16] | aster1sk: | Right, I do have a sh1tty box but it's slow and I'd prefer not to use it. |
| [18:51:27] | wagnerrp: | the digital half of that card will work fine for ATSC, but you will only be able to receive those digital cable channels that are transmitted unencrypted |
| [18:51:53] | aster1sk: | Here's another question – my apartment has a coax in the wall that connects to the antenna on the roof (12 storeys) Would it be possible to use this for ATSC? |
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| [18:52:13] | aster1sk: | Which don't exist on rogers (except fireplace channel or something). |
| [18:52:37] | wagnerrp: | assuming the antenna drop has proper amplification to power every device it gets split to |
| [18:53:07] | wagnerrp: | tuner cards tend to be less forgiving for low signal power, and quality issues like multipath, than those found in TVs |
| [18:53:22] | aster1sk: | Hmm, I should try it. |
| [18:53:23] | wagnerrp: | especially an older card like the 1600 using an old tuner |
| [18:53:46] | aster1sk: | That would be neat, now I've read tons of tutorials / how-to's on scanning ATSC in mythTV – but I've yet to get any signal whatsoever in downtown Toronto, |
| [18:54:31] | aster1sk: | What settings should I use for over the air on the digital input – I've properly configured adapter0 (I know that for sure) |
| [18:54:57] | aster1sk: | I see there are several options for each type of signal such as IRC, HVC (or something like that) what one would be my best bet? |
| [18:55:16] | wagnerrp: | for scanning, use 8VSB modulation, and whatever channel table looks normal |
| [18:55:28] | wagnerrp: | (not IRC, not HRC, not any Cable) |
| [18:55:43] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: was this URL pasted in the commit message, or was it a hook – http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-fireho . . . /002887.html |
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| [18:56:52] | wagnerrp: | aster1sk: you just want "Full Scan", "Broadcast" and "Terrestrial (8-VSB)" |
| [18:57:51] | aster1sk: | Thank you wagnerrp |
| [18:58:39] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: manually, by external user... https://github.com/josejuan05/mythweb/commit/ . . . bcdfee7d14cb |
| [18:58:47] | aster1sk: | Gotta run kids screaming, thanks for all the help! |
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| [19:46:06] | sphery: | wagnerrp: is seektable rebuilding still mythcommflag and mythtranscode, and not mythutil? |
| [19:47:55] | wagnerrp: | seems it never got moved |
| [19:48:39] | sphery: | I'd love to move it (since it has nothing to do with commercial flagging or transcoding) /and/ make it a single location |
| [19:48:43] | sphery: | think that seems reasonable? |
| [19:49:13] | sphery: | having both mythcommflag --rebuild and mythtranscode --buildindex is just confusing and a maintenance issue |
| [19:49:14] | wagnerrp: | sure, but note mythcommflag has special behavior for running seektable rebuilding through the jobqueue |
| [19:49:49] | wagnerrp: | remove the command line options if you wish, as that functionality is selected for in the jobqueue table |
| [19:50:23] | wagnerrp: | but theres no sense adding mythutil has a potential job |
| [19:52:03] | sphery: | so the ones that got moved only got their command line options "unadvertised"? |
| [19:52:09] | sphery: | but they're still there and work? |
| [19:52:24] | wagnerrp: | i believe theyre still advertised and work |
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| [19:53:10] | sphery: | I don't see --resched in mythbackend help output, but it does work |
| [19:53:14] | wagnerrp: | one of those things on capt'm's list to test and make sure they work before removing all together |
| [19:53:43] | sphery: | ahh |
| [19:54:06] | wagnerrp: | mythbackend --help resched |
| [19:54:13] | wagnerrp: | (see the big thing printed at the top) |
| [19:54:14] | sphery: | so what's the special queue functionality for mythcommflag --rebuild? |
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| [19:54:28] | sphery: | mythbackend 2>&1 | grep resched |
| [19:54:36] | sphery: | (see the big nothing printed :) |
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| [19:54:48] | sphery: | so it's only in explicit help, it seems |
| [19:54:50] | wagnerrp: | right, https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . rser.cpp#L37 |
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| [19:55:02] | wagnerrp: | that flag means it still works, but it doesnt get listed |
| [19:55:41] | sphery: | still not sure what "mythcommflag has special behavior for running seektable rebuilding through the jobqueue" means |
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| [19:55:51] | wagnerrp: | getting to that... |
| [19:56:01] | sphery: | just that there's a --queue option in mythcommflag, but none in mythutil? |
| [19:57:15] | wagnerrp: | if you run 'mythcommflag --chanid --starttime --queue', it will add a commflagging task to the jobqueue |
| [19:57:34] | wagnerrp: | if you do it without --chanid and --startttime, it will add such tasks for all recordings |
| [19:57:47] | wagnerrp: | if you add a --rebuild, rather than commflagging, it will just rebuild the seektable |
| [19:57:58] | wagnerrp: | this is denoted with the flag JOB_REBUILD, or 0x0008 |
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| [19:59:17] | wagnerrp: | and looking through mythutil, it seems capt'm already implemented that |
| [19:59:36] | wagnerrp: | with different jobs for "commflag" and "rebuild" |
| [20:00:01] | wagnerrp: | i.e. mythutil --queuejob=rebuild will issue a rebuild job using mythcommflag |
| [20:01:05] | sphery: | ahhh |
| [20:01:21] | wagnerrp: | it seems mythutil does not support the behavior of adding all recordings, you have to specify each --chanid and --starttime individually |
| [20:01:25] | sphery: | so maybe better to just remove the functionality from mythtranscode --buildindex |
| [20:01:46] | wagnerrp: | no, ignore everything i said above |
| [20:01:47] | sphery: | then lobby to change the name of mythcommflag to something more appropriate (mythprocessvideo or something) |
| [20:01:59] | wagnerrp: | you can remove the command line options, and it wont affect anything |
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| [20:02:27] | wagnerrp: | mythtranscode still needs the ability to rebuild the seektable |
| [20:02:42] | wagnerrp: | just not the ability to manually specify to do that from the command line |
| [20:03:02] | wagnerrp: | unless you want to have mythtranscode call some other function to do that instead |
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| [20:04:05] | sphery: | right, but figured we could either have it call a library function |
| [20:04:10] | sphery: | or even system to mythcommflag |
| [20:04:18] | sphery: | (again, with a better name :) |
| [20:04:24] | wagnerrp: | it is a library function isnt it? |
| [20:05:03] | sphery: | yeah, seems it's MPEG2fixup::BuildKeyframeIndex |
| [20:05:42] | sphery: | so the only code I have left in mythtranscode for it is mythtranscode's BuildKeyframeIndex(), which just wraps that function and sets job status |
| [20:05:45] | sphery: | seems reasonable |
| [20:07:10] | ** Beirdo barks at the moon ** | |
| [20:07:40] | sphery: | mythcommflag uses MythCommFlagPlayer::RebuildSeekTable() |
| [20:07:58] | sphery: | why are they different? |
| [20:08:48] | wagnerrp: | MPEG2fixup actually fixes the MPEG2 file, while RebuildSeekTable just refreshes mythtv's internal index |
| [20:09:27] | wagnerrp: | i.e. you to an mpeg2->mpeg2 transcode, your timecodes and indexes will be wrong and need rebuilding |
| [20:12:04] | sphery: | so not fixing the mpeg2 file but fixing bookmarks? |
| [20:12:15] | wagnerrp: | ? |
| [20:12:17] | sphery: | or fixing the timecodes inside the mpeg2 file |
| [20:12:26] | wagnerrp: | fixing stuff in the actual MPEG2 file |
| [20:12:32] | wagnerrp: | (i assume) |
| [20:12:39] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: you would know for certain |
| [20:12:42] | sphery: | I just assumed that was actually done while transcoding |
| [20:13:52] | sphery: | anyway, static int BuildKeyframeIndex(MPEG2fixup *m2f, QString &infile, frm_pos_map_t &posMap, int jobID) ... calls JobQueue::ChangeJobComment(jobID, QString(QObject::tr("Generating Keyframe Index"))); int err = m2f->BuildKeyframeIndex(infile, posMap); |
| [20:14:02] | sphery: | so it looked like that's doing the actual rebuild of the seek table |
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| [20:19:43] | Beirdo: | I think it's fixing the timecodes, primarily |
| [20:19:55] | Beirdo: | I've half-flushed that from my brain already |
| [20:20:35] | Beirdo: | dangit, Pandora... no ads, just metal, please |
| [20:27:14] | wagnerrp: | so... amusing failure mode |
| [20:27:34] | wagnerrp: | did you read Matt Emmott's email on the list? |
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| [20:28:26] | wagnerrp: | he has some 50GB of recording space, and is using mythicalibrarian to replace the recordings with symlinks and move the recordings to a CIFS share |
| [20:28:58] | wagnerrp: | if the CIFS share fills such that mythicalibraries cannot operate, or mythicalibrarian simply ceases to function for whatever reason |
| [20:29:35] | wagnerrp: | the recording filesystem will fill, and the autoexpirer will go to town on the CIFS share, emptying it completely until it finally catches up with the last 6–7 hours of recordings |
| [20:30:30] | wagnerrp: | man... if only we had a mechanism to allow you to define alternate storage locations to move stuff to, that wouldnt be directly recorded to |
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| [20:32:45] | Peitolm: | wagnerrp: have you tried the gentoo ebuild recently? getting errors with the fixLdconfSandbox.patch |
| [20:33:10] | wagnerrp: | yeah, a new line tacked onto the .pro file means the patch no longer applies |
| [20:33:16] | Peitolm: | looks like the line offset needs tweaking |
| [20:33:20] | Peitolm: | ah |
| [20:33:26] | sphery: | Beirdo: if you subscribe, you get no ads :) |
| [20:33:33] | wagnerrp: | the patch itself needs tweaking |
| [20:33:40] | wagnerrp: | the line offset has been wrong for years |
| [20:33:46] | Peitolm: | iah, o.k. |
| [20:33:50] | wagnerrp: | but patch merely uses those as guidelines |
| [20:34:04] | Peitolm: | if i add the new line to the patch, it should work right? |
| [20:34:23] | wagnerrp: | it uses the surrounding 6 lines of unmodified code to find the actual location it is supposed to fix |
| [20:35:29] | wagnerrp: | Peitolm: replace the existing file with this, and redigest... http://pastebin.com/GikXzEFY |
| [20:35:54] | Peitolm: | thanks that's what i suspected |
| [20:36:11] | Peitolm: | i was thrown by the line numbers (and being rusty doesn't help |
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| [20:48:43] | Beirdo: | sphery: I know, I know |
| [20:48:53] | Beirdo: | mmmm, old Metallica |
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| [20:54:17] | sphery: | hehe, just had to remind you... best $36 I spent this year |
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| [20:54:46] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: fyi, it isn't a safe assertion anymore to refer to the HVR-1600 has having an old tuner. The new revision that came out about twelve months ago has a brand new demod and tuner. |
| [20:55:20] | devinheitmueller: | ... the performance on the newer 1600 should be considerably better than the original rev. |
| [20:55:24] | Beirdo: | sphery: yeah, I'll get to it :) |
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| [20:56:40] | Beirdo: | THERE |
| [20:56:50] | Beirdo: | no more bloody ads :) |
| [20:58:39] | wagnerrp: | devinheitmueller: ah, hard to know when hardware revisions get the same name |
| [20:59:51] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: I hear you. |
| [21:00:20] | devinheitmueller: | As someone who does the driver work, I certainly experience the user frustration of buying a "supported" product and finding out it's a totally different board. |
| [21:00:56] | wagnerrp: | a few days back, i saw someone reporting some 4xxx model number on an HDPVR |
| [21:01:19] | devinheitmueller: | (the hvr-1600 revisions are documented on the Linuxtv wiki though, here: http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-HVR-1600) |
| [21:01:56] | devinheitmueller: | hmmm, if I had to hazard a guess, that's probably the "gaming edition" of the HD-PVR. |
| [21:02:09] | devinheitmueller: | .... but I would have to look at the model matrix to know for sure. |
| [21:05:12] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: there's a 01445 and 01446 which are the Gaming edition versions. I'm guessing that's what you heard about. |
| [21:05:20] | sphery: | Beirdo: yay, thanks for helping to make sure my favorite music service can stay in business! |
| [21:07:56] | ** wagnerrp 's favorite music service is some guy named phil, that's next to his dentist ** | |
| [21:09:16] | Scopeuk: | sorry for wasting everyone's time the bgt3630 issue is that the manufacturer supplied drivers don't include the device sub type for this card |
| [21:09:32] | wagnerrp: | device sub type? |
| [21:10:23] | Scopeuk: | http://pastebin.com/7nutJHf4 |
| [21:10:51] | Scopeuk: | the sd element of the alias doesent have an entry which matches the actual hardware |
| [21:11:34] | Beirdo: | sphery: any time :) |
| [21:11:54] | wagnerrp: | SD? its a digital tuner, there is no "HD" or "SD" |
| [21:12:10] | Scopeuk: | wagnerrp, sd in the alias list for the kernal module |
| [21:12:16] | Beirdo: | I need my music nearly daily at work anyways, and since I managed to convince it to work with an older version of AIR, I have a Linux desktop app :) |
| [21:12:25] | Scopeuk: | alias: pci:v00001131d00007231sv00001131sd00000001bc*sc*i* |
| [21:12:37] | Scopeuk: | the portion between sd and *sc in the above |
| [21:13:02] | Scopeuk: | the manufacturer and device id match but the sub class under that doesn't |
| [21:13:47] | Scopeuk: | my terminology may be off, but long and short kernel module wont bind with the hardware |
| [21:13:59] | wagnerrp: | if its a binary driver, not much you can do besides complain to the manufacturer |
| [21:15:28] | Scopeuk: | I emailed there support a couple of days ago asking for an updated build for a morecent kernel (there drivers stop at 3.0.0.12), I'll get in touch again about it matter in hand and see if we cant get anything out of them |
| [21:16:18] | Scopeuk: | there support have previously stated they intended to release the driver open source this time of the year but we'll see how that pans out, no kernal module no sale for me, will be going back |
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| [21:23:50] | Scopeuk: | support contact querying the driver and hardware support and if and when support can be expected. will see where that gets me |
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| [21:24:14] | Scopeuk: | will give them until the end of the week then call it a day and send it back |
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| [21:29:11] | Octane-work: | omg i havent used irc on this laptop in ages and mythtv-users was on autojoin awesome |
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| [21:43:19] | qwebirc51392: | does anyone have expeirence with mythbuntu and ltsp? i changed my backend and cant figure out how to update config.xml |
| [21:44:55] | qwebirc51392: | ok, so its mythfronend where does it get its settings from to recreate config.xml? im using ltsp btw |
| [21:45:32] | wagnerrp: | qwebirc51392: LTSP works with overlays |
| [21:45:39] | wagnerrp: | you have one base image that everything boots off of |
| [21:45:52] | wagnerrp: | and then you have a writable overlay on top of that, specific to each host |
| [21:47:59] | qwebirc51392: | i see that. when mythfrontend on the remote host starts it creates a new config.xml each time. do you know where it's getting the dbhostname from ? |
| [21:48:17] | qwebirc51392: | essentially doing that overwrites the overlay info as well |
| [21:48:18] | wagnerrp: | the backend |
| [21:49:02] | qwebirc51392: | o... |
| [21:50:55] | qwebirc51392: | ha, forgot to update the ip change in mythtv-setup |
| [21:50:57] | qwebirc51392: | thanks! |
| [21:51:10] | qwebirc51392: | lead a horse to water... |
| [21:55:11] | wagnerrp: | if you have UPNP enabled, and your PIN set to 0000 |
| [21:55:25] | wagnerrp: | any frontend on the network will be able to autodetect your frontend, and pull your database credentials from the backend |
| [21:55:41] | wagnerrp: | assuming the user/pass set for the backend are usable on the remote frontend |
| [21:56:01] | wagnerrp: | if the PIN is something else, you would need to supply the pin for that to work |
| [21:56:09] | wagnerrp: | of if its nothing, that interface is disabled |
| [21:56:23] | wagnerrp: | ... of course once you discover the backend, you could query it to figure out what the pin was |
| [21:57:07] | wagnerrp: | its not so much a security mechaism, as a filtering one if for some reason you want to run multiple independent mythtv systems on the same multicast domain |
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| [22:14:25] | Peitolm: | wagnerrp: that patch mod worked, thanks |
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| [22:27:52] | qwebirc51392: | thanks wagnerrp! |
| [22:31:15] | aster1sk: | wagnerrp: is very helpful today :) |
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| [22:42:35] | bradd: | in commit 7ae19f525, is says airplay is disabled by default. in recent revisions prior to this commit, the audio streaming worked without setting any variables...does that change with this commit or is this just for video? |
| [22:43:20] | wagnerrp: | as i understand it, only audio is supported anyway, not video |
| [22:44:39] | bradd: | oh |
| [22:45:01] | bradd: | that was my understanding as well, prior to this commit, but it mentions youtube and iplayer |
| [22:45:11] | bradd: | so i thought it was maybe releated to video streaming |
| [22:45:50] | wagnerrp: | oh, this is the initial support |
| [22:46:16] | wagnerrp: | as previously, it was apple's similar but older audio-only format |
| [22:47:19] | bradd: | ah..so this replaces the audio-only stuff, and i'll need to set that variable for streaming audio to work |
| [22:47:34] | wagnerrp: | no, it supplements the previously committed audio-only stuff |
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| [22:48:03] | bradd: | all right thanks |
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| [22:48:25] | bradd: | ill just set the variable anyway i suppose |
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| [23:17:21] | clever: | !paste |
| [23:17:27] | ** clever slaps MythLogBot ** | |
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| [23:28:59] | sphery: | clever: did you want !url pastebin |
| [23:29:06] | clever: | thats probly it |
| [23:29:58] | sphery: | and/or /q -freenode MythLogBot url #mythtv-users – list |
| [23:30:13] | wizbit: | this time tomorrow my future hd frontend will be operation :D |
| [23:30:23] | ** wizbit feels excited ** | |
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| [23:36:40] | ** iamlindoro prepares to be ranted at ** | |
| [23:37:14] | wizbit: | im pretty sure i will have the cheapest HD capable frontend in this channel |
| [23:37:39] | iamlindoro: | obscenely doubtful |
| [23:37:52] | iamlindoro: | since "HD capable" is meaningless, and your wasn't all that cheap |
| [23:38:03] | wizbit: | £50 |
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| [23:38:56] | wizbit: | that just about buys you a case, let alone a system |
| [23:39:10] | iamlindoro: | $78 USD, easily doable |
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| [23:55:27] | ** wagnerrp continues to question sphery's motives in "suggesting" i write things, and then advertising them to the users so i get stuck with support and debugging ** | |
| [23:55:58] | wagnerrp: | actually, iamlindoro's the one to blame for mythvidexport |
| [23:55:59] | wagnerrp: | :) |
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