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| [00:07:34] | helptranscode: | Do I have to setup a separate User Job to have mythcommflag automatically generate a cutlist? |
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| [00:22:30] | wagnerrp: | replace mythcommflag with your own script that calls mythcommflag |
| [00:23:05] | wagnerrp: | and supply the necessary command line arguments such that it works, since those are only supplied automatically if the commflagger is the specific string "mythcommflag" |
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| [00:30:21] | helptranscode: | ok, so in the mythtv backend setup, on the screen where it lets me edit mythcommflag and mythtranscode, I would replace mythcommflag with my user script? |
| [00:30:55] | wagnerrp: | with all the command line arguments needed to make it work |
| [00:31:17] | wagnerrp: | note, it must return whatever error code mythcommflag returns |
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| [00:31:35] | wagnerrp: | and you must provide mythcommflag with the job id |
| [00:33:01] | helptranscode: | the mythcommflag wiki doesnt mention the job id, just CHANID and STARTTIME |
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| [00:35:26] | wagnerrp: | when the jobqueue runs mythcommflag natively, it uses the options "-j %JOBID% -v %VERBOSE%" |
| [00:35:33] | wagnerrp: | you should call it with the same options |
| [00:35:44] | wagnerrp: | and return whatever error code it returns from your own script |
| [00:38:18] | helptranscode: | Ok, I guess the wiki might be missing the jobid stuff |
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| [00:47:07] | helptranscode: | so then the command in the script might look like mythcommflag --gencutlist -j %JOBID% -v %VERBOSE% -f %DIR%/%FILE% |
| [00:47:30] | wagnerrp: | no, no -f, no --gencutlist |
| [00:47:56] | wagnerrp: | you need to run it with '-j %JOBID% -v %VERBOSE%' to get it to run normally |
| [00:48:23] | helptranscode: | wouldnt that just make a skip list? |
| [00:48:37] | wagnerrp: | then run it a second time with '--gencutlist --chanid %CHANID% --starttime %STARTTIME%' to copy the skiplist for that recording to the cutlist |
| [00:48:45] | helptranscode: | ah |
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| [01:39:45] | Beirdo: | watching "Dinner for Schmucks" |
| [01:39:45] | Beirdo: | hehe |
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| [01:41:56] | [R]: | Beirdo: that steve carell... |
| [01:42:18] | Beirdo: | yeah, he's insane as always |
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| [02:25:56] | Seeker`: | every few minutes, while playing back a bluray stored on my backend, I get a stutter and http://paste.ubuntu.com/822114/ appearing in the backend log. Any idea what is causing this / how I can stop it? |
| [02:28:00] | [R]: | what does the frontend say |
| [02:28:52] | Seeker`: | nothing |
| [02:29:14] | [R]: | then turn up the verbosity |
| [02:30:09] | Seeker`: | it happens at exaxtly the same point in the playback each time |
| [02:33:57] | Captain_Murdoch: | sounds like it's opening a new file. run with "-v file --loglevel debug" and the Storage Group hunt code should tell you which file it's looking for. |
| [02:34:34] | Captain_Murdoch: | that or run with "-v network" but that's a lot of traffic just to see the filetransfer open, since you're streaming. |
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| [02:40:59] | CyberKnet: | My scheduler appears to not finish running... can anyone assist me in determining a more intelligent way to state my problem? I'm not exactly sure how to dig into the problem. |
| [02:41:00] | Seeker`: | Captain_Murdoch: yeah, when it changes the file it is looking for is when the stuttering happens. |
| [02:41:23] | CyberKnet: | I've ran mythbackend --printsched and it only shows one record. I ran mythbackend --testsched and it doesn't ever finish .. just hangs. |
| [02:41:33] | Seeker`: | With -v playback I get a few seconds of video being ahead of audio, then a few of audio being ahead of video, but I'm guessing thats just how the stutter presents itself in the log |
| [02:42:18] | CyberKnet: | I ran it with a -v all, and it appears to stop after looking up cardinputid from cardinput for a source... it does log a cardinputid afterward... |
| [02:42:46] | Captain_Murdoch: | CyberKnet, run the master backend with "-v schedule --loglevel debug" to see where or if it's hanging when running the scheduler. |
| [02:43:12] | CyberKnet: | Captain_Murdoch: Will do. |
| [02:43:47] | CyberKnet: | with a --testsched, or without? |
| [02:43:55] | Captain_Murdoch: | Seeker`, I'm curious how long it's taking to open the file, it should be pretty quick, but if the player doesn't ask for it until it's absolutely needed, then it may stutter. |
| [02:44:17] | Captain_Murdoch: | CyberKnet, it will perform a schedule run once you start the backend, so you don't need to force one. |
| [02:44:34] | Captain_Murdoch: | if it runs normally and --testsched doesn't return then it might be something else (though not sure what). |
| [02:44:46] | CyberKnet: | I'm getting an invalid agument --loglevel |
| [02:44:49] | Captain_Murdoch: | nevermind, I missed the "-v all" part. :) |
| [02:45:14] | Seeker`: | Captain_Murdoch: is that reported in the log? It is scrolling extremely quickly so hard to see exactly where in the log it happens. Any string I can search for to get the relevant info? |
| [02:45:40] | Captain_Murdoch: | Seeker`, you'll have to find the filetransfer open and see how long it takes to respond to the open and to the first block of data. |
| [02:45:50] | Captain_Murdoch: | "ann filetransfer" (case insensitive) |
| [02:46:01] | Captain_Murdoch: | if you're running with -v network |
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| [02:48:41] | Seeker`: | Captain_Murdoch: was it the front or backend you wanted me to run with that option? |
| [02:49:11] | Captain_Murdoch: | either one, both will show the same thing, just with swapped read/write since one is reading, the other is writing data. |
| [02:50:38] | CyberKnet: | rebooting – seeing if something just went really awry. |
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| [02:54:40] | CyberKnet: | hmmm... rebooting seems to have fixed things. |
| [02:54:45] | CyberKnet: | really, really weird. |
| [02:55:50] | CyberKnet: | I have no idea what was causing that. |
| [02:56:08] | CyberKnet: | I guess the old adage if "if in doubt, reboot" does still apply. |
| [02:57:13] | Seeker`: | Captain_Murdoch: http://paste.ubuntu.com/822134/ |
| [02:57:20] | CyberKnet: | thanks for the assistance captain. |
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| [03:00:04] | Seeker`: | Captain_Murdoch: looks like it takes ~30ms between the QUERY and actually starting to get data, but there is a big 2.5 second gap between receiving the last data from the previous file and starting the QUERY |
| [03:01:08] | Seeker`: | guess it is the buffers running dry because it sits there doing nothing until it needs the data imminently |
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| [03:05:32] | Seeker`: | Captain_Murdoch: I've gotta go get some sleep in a minute, but please let me know if you have any ideas what I can do to remedy the problem |
| [03:06:20] | Captain_Murdoch: | ok, I'll take a look in a few minutes. troubleshooting an email issue for visiting family right this minute. |
| [03:07:21] | Seeker`: | Captain_Murdoch: np, my client should stay connected, so i'll be able to pick up any messages in the morning |
| [03:16:20] | Captain_Murdoch: | Seeker`, yeah, that 2 second gap is probably the issue. might need more detailed debugging to see why the player waits so long to issue the 'done' and open the next file. could be it's playing the last 2 seconds of buffered data. not sure how to fix that if the player doesn't proactively open the next file before it's needed. |
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| [03:20:05] | Seeker`: | Captain_Murdoch: I think it is playing the last 2 seconds of buffered data, because the stutter occurs pretty much as the streaming starts again |
| [03:21:57] | Captain_Murdoch: | I don't know enough about the bd code, iamlindoro might know if there's a way to get it to pre-open the next file if it's not already. |
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| [03:56:18] | helptranscode: | Hello, what would a command for mythtranscode to convert from mpeg2 to mpeg2 including a cutlist look like? |
| [03:57:20] | helptranscode: | mythtranscode --honorcutlist --mpeg2 --chanid %CHANID% --starttime %STARTTIME% is what I tried, but it doesnt work |
| [03:58:28] | helptranscode: | I was hoping to transcode from mpeg2 to mpeg2 using the cutlist, and replacing the original file in mythtv's database so the only file left is the one that had the commercials cut out |
| [03:59:57] | Captain_Murdoch: | you have to give it a profile I think, I don't think you can just give --mpeg2. not 100% sure though. |
| [04:00:47] | helptranscode: | ok, the command line version supposedly takes --mpeg2 as an argument, but I have no idea how mythtv handles it |
| [04:00:54] | helptranscode: | I ran the above command as a user job |
| [04:02:33] | helptranscode: | Ok, so I know how to change a transcoding profile to lossless mpeg2, but is there a menu where I can add the --honorcutlist part? |
| [04:02:43] | Captain_Murdoch: | normally, the JobQueue does not call mythtranscode with the --mpeg2 option, cutless is driven by the profile I believe. I don't know how to do it from the command line without a profile if that's possible. |
| [04:04:56] | helptranscode: | Regarding the jobqueue, I've been running slave backends on remote machine without tuners in order to have them execute jobs in the jobqueue. How do I setup the jobqueue to run on a remote frontend without a slave backend?, just run mythjobqueue at a terminal on that remote frontend? |
| [04:05:33] | Captain_Murdoch: | run mythjobqueue instead of mythbackend. setup jobs as normal using mythtv-setup. |
| [04:05:58] | Captain_Murdoch: | no need to setup a tunerless backend, just use mythjobqueue instead. that's what it's for. |
| [04:08:26] | helptranscode: | so on the remote frontends all I have to do is run mythtv-setup and configure it to run userjobs, commflagging etc? |
| [04:08:34] | Captain_Murdoch: | yes |
| [04:09:01] | helptranscode: | ok great, is there anychance that mythjobqueue runs on a frontend that was compiled for windows? |
| [04:09:35] | helptranscode: | I have another laptop with mythtv running on windows , this would be interesting to test |
| [04:09:36] | Captain_Murdoch: | should, but I'm not sure about the jobs. mythcommflag should run OK, but I'm not sure about mythtranscode. |
| [04:09:42] | helptranscode: | ok |
| [04:09:58] | helptranscode: | Thank you |
| [04:10:08] | Captain_Murdoch: | yw |
| [04:10:20] | helptranscode: | I'll see if I can setup a transcode profile to include the cutlist |
| [04:11:04] | Captain_Murdoch: | ok, I don't use mpeg2 -> mpeg2 transcoding, so can't help much there other than what I've already said. |
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| [04:23:34] | al_nz1: | evening all! |
| [04:24:39] | al_nz1: | if I am typing in the ip of my mythtv setup on a browser on a pc, and i get prompted for password/login and cant remember it – where would I reset it? |
| [04:28:51] | helptranscode: | Are you using mythbuntu on your backend? |
| [04:30:01] | al_nz1: | no, normal ubuntu with mythtv added |
| [04:30:23] | helptranscode: | ok, did you install the control center? |
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| [04:30:38] | al_nz1: | yeah I think so |
| [04:30:45] | al_nz1: | how would i check? |
| [04:30:49] | helptranscode: | go to your backend pc and launch teh control center |
| [04:31:02] | ahhughes: | can I set it so that the default behaviour it to start recording 10mins early and finish 10mins late? |
| [04:31:17] | al_nz1: | done – mybuntu control center running..... |
| [04:31:29] | helptranscode: | Thats probably a recording profile thing ahhughes |
| [04:31:53] | ahhughes: | as in, set this once per recording? |
| [04:31:55] | helptranscode: | ok, in the control center go to Services |
| [04:32:06] | al_nz1: | ok |
| [04:32:47] | helptranscode: | Sorry I meant plugins |
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| [04:32:59] | al_nz1: | k |
| [04:33:05] | helptranscode: | There you can configure wether or not you want to password protect mythweb |
| [04:33:25] | al_nz1: | whats the default password, or at least how do I reset it? |
| [04:33:45] | helptranscode: | You can disable any password |
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| [04:34:02] | helptranscode: | in the plugins window |
| [04:34:15] | helptranscode: | look at the button beneath all the checkboxes, left click on it |
| [04:34:31] | helptranscode: | there you can select to reconfigure the mythweb password, or disable it altogether |
| [04:34:56] | helptranscode: | Don't forget to hit APPLY at the bottom once you reset it |
| [04:35:23] | al_nz1: | helptranscode: done, but there is nothing to display? |
| [04:35:37] | al_nz1: | it i login via browser and the web page is blank |
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| [04:36:12] | helptranscode: | Ok, can you confirm that your backend is running? |
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| [04:37:49] | al_nz1: | http://pastebin.com/JiGQywiG |
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| [04:38:53] | al_nz1: | helptranscode: yeah its running |
| [04:38:56] | helptranscode: | Doesnt look like your backend is running |
| [04:39:03] | helptranscode: | atleast not according to that pastebin |
| [04:39:04] | al_nz1: | al 28406 0.2 1.2 277540 44944 pts/2 Sl+ Jan29 3:09 mythbackend |
| [04:39:36] | helptranscode: | 2012-01–30 17:36:26.758 Backend exiting, MainServer initialization error. Error in my_thread_global_end(): 1 threads didn't exit |
| [04:39:49] | al_nz1: | http://pastebin.com/2TGn1SV4 |
| [04:40:08] | al_nz1: | see pastebin above – was it already running? |
| [04:41:58] | helptranscode: | It looked like mythtb's backend could not get access to your DVB tuner card for one thing. Second thing: it could not connect to the database: 2012-01–30 17:36:26.757 Failed to bind port 6543. Exiting. |
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| [04:47:41] | al_nz1: | so what does connecting to the webserver from a browser actually show you anywya? |
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| [05:33:10] | sphery: | wow, Breaking In got uncancelled |
| [05:41:56] | ** Beirdo opens the window to let the heat out ** | |
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| [06:23:32] | wagnerrp: | jams: something going on with the linhes website? |
| [06:24:35] | wagnerrp: | perhaps a dead DNS server? |
| [06:24:55] | wagnerrp: | whois doesn't report any recent activity that would otherwise indicate some kind of takeover |
| [06:26:09] | wagnerrp: | cesman: ^^^ |
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| [06:30:49] | Beirdo: | hahah |
| [06:31:21] | Beirdo: | I love how github's notifications see a permissions change as remove/add |
| [06:34:39] | wagnerrp: | uh oh |
| [06:36:35] | al_nz1: | hey wagnerrp |
| [06:37:28] | wagnerrp: | evening |
| [06:37:43] | al_nz1: | what time zone are you in? |
| [06:37:51] | al_nz1: | we must be close |
| [06:37:59] | wagnerrp: | not likely |
| [06:38:08] | al_nz1: | well its evening here too |
| [06:38:23] | al_nz1: | West coast US? |
| [06:38:37] | wagnerrp: | east... though i figured you for new zealand |
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| [06:39:03] | wagnerrp: | your login address seemed to agree |
| [06:39:05] | al_nz1: | days apart but actually only a few hours ahead (or behind depending on how you look at it lol) |
| [06:39:11] | iamlindoro: | It is evening in new zealand ;) |
| [06:39:14] | al_nz1: | yer nz here |
| [06:39:18] | iamlindoro: | (evening tomorrow) |
| [06:39:24] | al_nz1: | yup |
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| [06:39:40] | al_nz1: | hey anyway, I think I am gertting closer to getting this myth tv thing going |
| [06:39:54] | cesman: | wagnerrp: we should hopefully have it back up tomorrow |
| [06:40:01] | al_nz1: | what should I expect to see if I tri to connect to the server from a web browser on another pc? |
| [06:40:15] | wagnerrp: | +12... didnt realize it was so far east |
| [06:40:28] | al_nz1: | wagnerrp: as far as you can go! |
| [06:41:03] | wagnerrp: | by web server... do you mean apache running mythweb? or the web servers built into mythfrontend and/or mythbackend? |
| [06:41:38] | al_nz1: | I guess I am not sure really. I just try connecting to the server running myth, and get a login prompt |
| [06:41:50] | al_nz1: | which is accepted then get |
| [06:42:09] | al_nz1: | website cannot display page |
| [06:42:50] | wagnerrp: | sounds like something completely independent from mythtv |
| [06:43:07] | wagnerrp: | mythweb has no form of authentication |
| [06:43:14] | wagnerrp: | and http_digest is not configured by default |
| [06:43:51] | al_nz1: | ok |
| [06:44:22] | al_nz1: | well since my tv card is not hooked up as yet to the antenna, I will just add some videos to the media directory and see if they are picked up |
| [06:44:54] | wagnerrp: | mythbackend will not operate without a configured tuner card and video source |
| [06:45:12] | wagnerrp: | it errors out immediately due to a sanity check |
| [06:45:39] | al_nz1: | wagnerrp: I think the card is configuered, but not attached to antenna. |
| [06:45:55] | wagnerrp: | you still need at least once channel in an attached video source |
| [06:47:32] | al_nz1: | so in the topology I described, my mythtv box needs to run a backend to enable it to send videos to the tv? |
| [06:47:48] | al_nz1: | or does backend--->frontend--->TV? |
| [06:48:01] | wagnerrp: | correct, the backend manages all storage and tuners |
| [06:48:09] | wagnerrp: | the frontend cannot exist without a backend somewhere to connect to |
| [06:48:22] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt have to be on the same machine, or even local |
| [06:48:30] | al_nz1: | so my ubuntu machine needs to run a backend and frontend on the same box |
| [06:48:36] | wagnerrp: | just somewhere with sufficiently high network bandwidth, low latency, and reliability |
| [06:50:20] | al_nz1: | front end running now |
| [06:50:34] | al_nz1: | seems ok, and if I tab to terminal there dont seem to be any really sinister messages |
| [06:53:13] | al_nz1: | hey wagnerrp: I know this sounds like a weird question, but what sorta phone you got? |
| [06:53:17] | al_nz1: | cellphone |
| [06:53:39] | wagnerrp: | some generic dumb samsung |
| [06:54:14] | al_nz1: | android? |
| [06:54:25] | wagnerrp: | dumb |
| [06:54:33] | wagnerrp: | (not smart) |
| [06:54:39] | al_nz1: | hahaha ok |
| [06:56:38] | al_nz1: | how do you configure mythnews? |
| [06:56:54] | wagnerrp: | through the frontend? |
| [06:57:11] | wagnerrp: | theres a second to select which rss feeds to pull |
| [06:57:17] | wagnerrp: | note, it requires mythbrowser |
| [07:04:53] | al_nz1: | hmm, seem to have news feeds ok |
| [07:05:09] | al_nz1: | myth weather crashes it |
| [07:07:04] | al_nz1: | hmm, and even tho I have added some videos to /var/lib/mythtv/videos |
| [07:07:10] | al_nz1: | there is none listed in the front end |
| [07:07:25] | wagnerrp: | in 'media library -> watch videos'? |
| [07:09:15] | al_nz1: | When I first start front end the menu system I get has a variety of options that all relates to recording "watch recording/upcoming recing/schedule recording....etc |
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| [07:09:42] | wagnerrp: | sounds like you changed from the default menu theme |
| [07:10:00] | al_nz1: | ahh |
| [07:10:08] | wagnerrp: | should be in appearances |
| [07:10:09] | al_nz1: | I think I did fiddle with that |
| [07:10:57] | al_nz1: | I got media library now -> watch videos |
| [07:11:00] | al_nz1: | nothing listed |
| [07:11:13] | wagnerrp: | have you scanned for changes? |
| [07:11:22] | al_nz1: | does it matter if the video I added is in a sub dir of /var/lib/mythtv/videos ? |
| [07:11:32] | al_nz1: | wagnerrp: umm, nope – how do I do thast? |
| [07:11:47] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Video_Library |
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| [12:33:49] | Seeker`: | Captain_Murdoch: im wonderibg if the problem is that BD stored on disk and decrypted uses FileRinngBuffer not BDRingBuffer |
| [12:34:22] | wagnerrp: | Seeker`: stored... as an ISO? |
| [12:34:32] | wagnerrp: | we dont currently support BDISOs over storage groups |
| [12:35:19] | Seeker`: | wagnerrp: not an iso. the disc structure is stored in disk, it was created with makemkv |
| [12:37:09] | Seeker`: | playback works, it just stutters (#10294) |
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| [13:32:28] | beadle: | Radeon driver is ok but fglrx requires Xv to be disabled otherwise mythfrontend crashes my X. see http://ati.cchtml.com/show_bug.cgi?id=337#c7 |
| [13:35:57] | wagnerrp: | the "workaround" is to buy nvidia hardware instead |
| [13:36:47] | beadle: | wagnerrp: I've heard that. this does take a performance hit but at least it's working on the hardware that worked jfg on F14. sigh |
| [13:37:13] | wagnerrp: | well, not really |
| [13:37:19] | beadle: | hmmm? |
| [13:37:33] | wagnerrp: | either youre using opengl, such that disabling Xv makes no difference |
| [13:37:42] | wagnerrp: | or... well, there is no else |
| [13:37:58] | wagnerrp: | if you can use opengl, and xv is disabled, youre screwed |
| [13:39:07] | wagnerrp: | s/can/cant/ |
| [13:40:28] | beadle: | all I can offer is that the change to disable xv in xorg.conf allows mythfrontend to work, else it would crash X. glxgears runs 60FPS but it does seem a little blocky. |
| [13:40:47] | wagnerrp: | what does that have to do with xvideo? |
| [13:40:56] | beadle: | it's an ATI driver thing but I had to search hard to find a solution. |
| [13:41:02] | beadle: | so I wanted to mention it here |
| [13:41:28] | wagnerrp: | xvideo is an overlay renderer, that provides scaling and colorspace conversion for YUV video |
| [13:41:45] | wagnerrp: | glxgears doesnt go anywhere near it |
| [13:42:27] | wagnerrp: | if you have mythfrontend configured to render using opengl, then it will do so and never touch xvideo |
| [13:42:47] | beadle: | you mentioned if I can't use opengl so I wanted to assert another part of my graphics that is unchanged. |
| [13:42:57] | wagnerrp: | if instead you have it set to use xvideo, disabling xvideo will cause the playback profile to fall through to the failsafe xshm |
| [13:43:20] | wagnerrp: | in which mythtv itself provides colorspace conversion in software, and there is no scaling |
| [13:43:29] | beadle: | I don't know how to disable xv in myth |
| [13:43:44] | beadle: | which setup screen if you know offhand? |
| [13:43:52] | wagnerrp: | go into the playback profile, and tell it to render using opengl rather than xv-blit |
| [13:44:05] | wagnerrp: | tv settings or something |
| [13:44:11] | wagnerrp: | its several pages in |
| [13:44:32] | wagnerrp: | if you can do opengl, you should be using opengl |
| [13:44:59] | wagnerrp: | Xv is only still around for people who have old hardware with insufficient opengl performance to use it |
| [13:45:23] | wagnerrp: | it should be considered the "last resort" |
| [13:45:39] | wagnerrp: | while x11 and xshm are for debugging only |
| [13:49:52] | beadle: | I don't find any setting which has xv-blit or opengl. my card is Radeon HD 5750. Myth is 0.24.1 FC16. I tried TV and general playback and OSD – everything I could think might have this setting... |
| [13:50:46] | wagnerrp: | i dont remember where it is off hand, and that stuff has all been reorganized in 0.25 |
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| [13:53:59] | beadle: | since these chats get indexed my hope was the next guy wouldn't spend time trying radeon/akmod/catalyst and various xorg.conf tirials like I have. for some reason this (Option "XVideo" "Disable") makes it work. I'll look for the XV setting and try to follow up. |
| [13:54:48] | wagnerrp: | the chats get logged, but i doubt anyone ever searches through them searching for such debugging help |
| [13:55:06] | beadle: | heh well I do |
| [13:55:21] | beadle: | via google that is |
| [13:56:55] | beadle: | key phrases show up in the logs of this channel. useful sometimes |
| [14:03:10] | beadle: | I did find xvideo in cpu settings of playback settings. there doesn't seem to be an overall render setting. |
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| [14:29:45] | jams: | wagnerrp- debian happened. I updated ruby and rebooted and the system never came back. |
| [14:30:00] | jams: | hopefully will be up today as the osu guys are back and can check the console |
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| [14:32:45] | wagnerrp: | ok, just forwarding the question from someone on mythtvtalk |
| [14:33:32] | beadle: | wagnerrp: tv settings – playback -playback profiles once I got it to allow me to edit CPU++ profile it was easy to make it use opengl. I then reverted the xorg.conf xv change and it's all working much better now. thanks tons! |
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| [15:46:54] | wagnerrp: | HAHAHAH |
| [15:47:14] | wagnerrp: | "mythtv is telling me i have an empty localhostname, and is instead using my computer's defined host name" |
| [15:49:13] | sphery: | yeah, we need to change the name of LocalHostName to be more specific... NameOverride or something |
| [15:49:26] | sphery: | I understand the potential for confusion |
| [15:50:26] | wagnerrp: | we need to get rid of that whole behavior entirely |
| [15:50:33] | sphery: | maybe I'll get that "remove mysql.txt" patch done and include a LocalHostName change in the process (read the old one, but call it deprecated) |
| [15:50:38] | wagnerrp: | index everything off a random install id |
| [15:50:52] | wagnerrp: | have a table that maps those ids to the last host it was used on |
| [15:51:13] | wagnerrp: | if they dont have an id stored in their config.xml, look up from that reference table, or create a new one |
| [15:51:24] | sphery: | I love that idea for 2 reasons--removes any confusion about what localhostname is for and makes it less likely for users to directly edit settings in the DB |
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| [15:52:18] | wagnerrp: | as for content... i dont know how to best handle that |
| [15:52:21] | sphery: | oh, I thought you meant to change "host" to "hostid" or something and just do away with host names in db (other than for name resolution--just add a HostName setting) |
| [15:52:32] | sphery: | assuming we actually want name resolution |
| [15:52:49] | sphery: | think we might still need it for mythweb |
| [15:53:03] | wagnerrp: | i dont know if it would be better to store the location of content based off such an arbitrary value, or the hostname |
| [15:53:39] | jams: | wouldn't you still have the problem of multiple instances on the frontend mapping to the same hostname |
| [15:53:41] | wagnerrp: | id say go for the arbitrary id, and add in some utility to 'rescan' for recorded content, and migrate it to the proper id |
| [15:53:48] | sphery: | I like "arbitrary" (though I'd use the word "abstracted") |
| [15:53:59] | wagnerrp: | jams: it would have the same purpose of the existing LocalHostName |
| [15:54:08] | sphery: | I say remove the hostname even from recorded |
| [15:54:21] | wagnerrp: | where if you have such defined in your credential files, it will use that, rather than your machine's hostname, to select a profile |
| [15:54:28] | jams: | right |
| [15:54:46] | wagnerrp: | except being some "abstracted" value, rather than the machine's hostname, there would be less confusion as to its purpose |
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| [15:55:20] | sphery: | could use the uuid we already use with upnp stuff |
| [15:55:30] | wagnerrp: | lets say you start mythfrontend, and you dont have a profile listed |
| [15:55:36] | jams: | guess i was referring to the bit about mapping randmon-id -> hostname for resolution. |
| [15:55:42] | jams: | but that doesn't really matter so much |
| [15:55:46] | sphery: | though would mean a lot of people would have to correct their config.xml files, probably |
| [15:55:58] | wagnerrp: | load a popup that allows you to recommend one tied to the hostname, or select a different one, or spawn a new one |
| [15:56:10] | wagnerrp: | after which it gets stored in the config.xml, and used for subsequent runs |
| [15:57:01] | sphery: | anyway, I'll probably just go down the "change LocalHostName to a more-descriptive name" route |
| [15:57:10] | sphery: | then after 0.25, we can consider bigger things |
| [15:57:27] | wagnerrp: | yeah, certainly no time to do it for 0.25 |
| [16:03:06] | jams: | it's funny, I remember a lot of complaining by some devs about localhostname when it was implemented. The reasons why it was bad are the same as the reasons for good. |
| [16:03:21] | jams: | just depending on how you looked at it |
| [16:04:00] | wagnerrp: | i agree there should be something like that, specifically so that you can have multiple different profiles on a single system |
| [16:04:15] | wagnerrp: | say, one for a PC monitor, one for a TV on the opposite side of the wall |
| [16:04:41] | wagnerrp: | i just think the use of 'hostname' in general as the index for such data ends up being confusing to the users |
| [16:06:10] | jams: | certainly |
| [16:06:33] | jams: | ah the rich history of mythtv :) |
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| [16:08:43] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: do you expect to continue running 0.24 buildbots after the 0.25 release? |
| [16:12:00] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: hmm, possibly, hadn't thought it through yet |
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| [16:12:23] | wagnerrp: | just wondering in regards to ccache |
| [16:12:24] | Beirdo: | likely switch to fixes/0.25 and master, but we may keep 0.24 too |
| [16:12:52] | wagnerrp: | more builds means more to cache to ensure collisions |
| [16:13:04] | wagnerrp: | (and an ever expanding waterfall) |
| [16:13:28] | wagnerrp: | might be nice if we could group things |
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| [16:15:10] | wagnerrp: | now lets see what i can do about populating binary sizes |
| [16:18:26] | sphery: | wagnerrp: did you see the vmware solution at "[mythtv-users] Jitters during playback"? Do you really think it was just that he was using an older version of VMWare or is it more likely the VM is just causing resource issues, which cause dropped packets? |
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| [16:18:48] | sphery: | i.e. does VMWare ship versions that have nonfunctional networking code? |
| [16:19:32] | wagnerrp: | hes recording off an HDHR |
| [16:19:38] | wagnerrp: | so while TCP might reply |
| [16:19:42] | wagnerrp: | the HDHR is just going to drop data |
| [16:20:05] | wagnerrp: | i dont know how hard it tries to resend packets, or if it does at all |
| [16:20:28] | wagnerrp: | s/reply/retry/ |
| [16:21:20] | wagnerrp: | i could very much see one virtual network driver to the next causing significantly different behavior |
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| [16:22:27] | sphery: | was just wondering... if it were just vmware's network driver, it makes it sound like vmware is a mess |
| [16:22:43] | wagnerrp: | it all comes down to... dont use VMs |
| [16:23:16] | sphery: | hehe, agreed |
| [16:23:29] | sphery: | they're only useful if you need to make a single computer run more than one application |
| [16:23:36] | sphery: | ;) |
| [16:23:38] | jams: | depending on the vmware version it does come with two different nics |
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| [16:24:45] | wagnerrp: | yeah, basically, he tried the other one and it resolved his problems |
| [16:25:03] | jams: | he must be using esx then |
| [16:25:11] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [16:25:29] | jams: | the enhanced driver does work alot better then the basic, but not all OS will support the enhanced. |
| [16:25:54] | jams: | eh if he is using esx he should already know these things and not bother the list :) |
| [16:25:58] | wagnerrp: | he had to update vmware tools (get new drivers) to have the kernel modules to support it |
| [16:26:04] | jams: | yep |
| [16:26:51] | sphery: | is VMWare player the only free-of-license-charge version? Are people actually paying for ESX at home? |
| [16:27:03] | jams: | suppose the version of virtual hardware could matter, but doubtful for this purpose |
| [16:27:43] | jams: | esx does have a free version |
| [16:28:17] | wagnerrp: | ESX is the pay version, ESXi is the free version, the lacks a number of administrative tools |
| [16:28:19] | jams: | checking on what the current name of the product is |
| [16:28:24] | jams: | and it's not esxi |
| [16:28:31] | jams: | it was..but not anymore |
| [16:28:31] | wagnerrp: | vsphere? |
| [16:28:34] | jams: | nope |
| [16:28:41] | sphery: | oh, I just assume that any proprietary thing with an "enterprise" slant is going to be expensive |
| [16:29:22] | sphery: | according to wikipedia, "The original ESX is being replaced by ESXi." – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VMware_ESX |
| [16:29:25] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: yeah, having it grouped might be nicer, but I'm not sure if the waterfall will let you hide by group |
| [16:29:36] | wagnerrp: | well, its the hypervisor, without all the "enterprise" capabilities |
| [16:29:37] | jams: | esx vs esxi now refers to how the OS is installed or presented. |
| [16:29:51] | jams: | the man difference is esxi doen't have a console but esx does |
| [16:29:57] | jams: | and esx is phased out in version 5 |
| [16:29:58] | wagnerrp: | things like migrating live images, migrating storage, hot spares, etc... |
| [16:30:11] | Beirdo: | as to a script for GCC version, bin sizes, whatever, dead simple :) Just never thought of it |
| [16:31:05] | Beirdo: | I *so* don't do mornings |
| [16:31:45] | jams: | looks like it's just called "vmware vsphere hypervisor" thats the free edition |
| [16:32:10] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: thats why you do evenings instead |
| [16:34:03] | wagnerrp: | i got thrown off of my sleep somehow, so i conked out at 9pm, and have been up since about 2am |
| [16:34:44] | jams: | sphery- so vsphere is the all encompassing product name, under it are several product versions that very much use the same code base just licensed at different levels. |
| [16:34:57] | sphery: | ah, cool |
| [16:35:12] | jams: | they are like intel and made a horrible mess of the names |
| [16:35:28] | sphery: | so the problem isn't that people are spending money to buy vmware for home use, but that vmware is making available their product free of charge |
| [16:35:42] | sphery: | which encourages people to use it even where it doesn't make sense |
| [16:35:53] | wagnerrp: | the problem is that VMWare is excellent at advertising |
| [16:35:59] | sphery: | yeah |
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| [16:36:08] | sphery: | that's a good point... marketing changes the world |
| [16:36:31] | sphery: | (and often in a way that's only good for the company doing the marketing) |
| [16:36:41] | wagnerrp: | and hardware sandboxing for developmental and security needs were not a sufficiently large market |
| [16:38:03] | jams: | sphery- fortunatly with vsphere it won't install on just any old whitebox, it does have a specific set of hardware required. Mostly because it is the OS and must have drivers for it. |
| [16:38:26] | jams: | it/for your hardware |
| [16:38:39] | sphery: | interesting |
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| [17:07:19] | al_nz1: | morning wagnerrp |
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| [18:01:04] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo or GreyFoxx: around? |
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| [18:05:13] | wagnerrp: | im looking through this IPv6 stuff |
| [18:05:24] | wagnerrp: | and specifically how we bind to our servers |
| [18:06:14] | wagnerrp: | i want to change the binds to listen only on our specified backend network address |
| [18:06:36] | wagnerrp: | but weve got plenty more that exist in the frontend that wouldnt necessarily have a registered backend address |
| [18:06:56] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: and localhost? (whatever the equivalent is for ipv6) |
| [18:07:21] | wagnerrp: | do we ever connect to anything other than the listed BackendServerPort? |
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| [18:15:50] | mangus580: | question: are bookmarks stored on the frontend, or backend? |
| [18:16:01] | Captain_Murdoch: | neither, stored in the DB. |
| [18:16:19] | Captain_Murdoch: | by the frontend. |
| [18:16:26] | Beirdo: | yes, we use the same socket code for other things too |
| [18:16:46] | Beirdo: | such as connecting to the LCD server |
| [18:16:50] | mangus580: | Captain_Murdoch: so if I save a bookmark using frontend A, it will show up on frontend B then? |
| [18:16:57] | wagnerrp: | yeah, im seeing almost a dozen different listen servers |
| [18:16:59] | Captain_Murdoch: | mangus580, yes |
| [18:17:05] | mangus580: | good :-) |
| [18:17:09] | wagnerrp: | im betting a number of them wont work over ipv6 |
| [18:17:17] | wagnerrp: | (all the upnp stuff certainly doesnt) |
| [18:17:20] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: I think what yer looking at is a good idea |
| [18:17:41] | Beirdo: | UPnP won't as it uses IPv4 multicast as part of the protocol (for searching) |
| [18:18:06] | wagnerrp: | Captain_Murdoch: youve probably got an opinion on that, restricting the backend protocol to listen only on the listed BackendServerIP |
| [18:18:08] | sphery: | I really have to figure out the UI for my "allow multiple bookmarks" patch |
| [18:18:24] | sphery: | maybe I should just push it and then let others--more capable than I--help with the UI |
| [18:18:27] | sphery: | :) |
| [18:18:29] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: sure it will, because the UPNP server is returning your BackendServerIP in response to a discovery request |
| [18:18:39] | wagnerrp: | so if youre set up to run your backend on ipv6 |
| [18:18:52] | wagnerrp: | it will tell the upnp device to connect to it on an ipv6 address for more information |
| [18:18:53] | Beirdo: | no |
| [18:18:58] | wagnerrp: | which it more than likely cannot do |
| [18:19:17] | Beirdo: | because the "UPnP server" won't be listening if we need IPv6 only :) |
| [18:19:26] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [18:19:43] | Beirdo: | I think the smartest is a dual-stack system anyways |
| [18:19:45] | Beirdo: | but... |
| [18:20:16] | Beirdo: | anyways, we weren't going to change the SSDP part, I would guess |
| [18:20:33] | Beirdo: | and if it only returns IPv6 anyways, I'm sure a lot of clients will barf |
| [18:20:48] | wagnerrp: | http://pastebin.com/T5f3i7tp |
| [18:20:54] | wagnerrp: | see that location there? |
| [18:20:56] | Beirdo: | I doubt my TV's builtin UPNP supports IPv6 at all |
| [18:20:57] | Captain_Murdoch: | yeah, might need to allow a v4 and v6, but I don't see much other reason not to restrict and bind to the configured IP. |
| [18:21:08] | Beirdo: | so dual stack, restrict to both IPs |
| [18:21:09] | Captain_Murdoch: | s/IP.$/IP(s)./ |
| [18:21:41] | wagnerrp: | the python bindings and frontend will use it for autodetection anyway, they dont care |
| [18:21:53] | wagnerrp: | but i cant use any upnp device with my backend currently |
| [18:21:54] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: yeah, that search is over IPv4. :) and if hte client don't do IPv6, borkage will occur anyways |
| [18:22:03] | Beirdo: | good to know that it handles it so far though |
| [18:22:56] | wagnerrp: | although oddly, the frontends appear to auto-select their own IP |
| [18:23:01] | wagnerrp: | and they choose an IPv4 one |
| [18:23:29] | wagnerrp: | havent yet traced down how they do that |
| [18:24:27] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [18:27:15] | Blaksmith: | wagnerrp, I noticed as I was scanning, that there is a "try to decrypt" option for the digital channels .. is my thinking on this correct, that if I have a legal way, most likely from my cable company, to decrypt to get the channels, it would get it? |
| [18:27:53] | wagnerrp: | no, that option only has meaning for DVB users, using CAMs and smart cards |
| [18:28:18] | Blaksmith: | ahh ok |
| [18:28:26] | wagnerrp: | over here, the legal way to decrypt digital channels from the cable company is either analog capture off a cable box, or a cablecard tuner |
| [18:28:39] | wagnerrp: | and in both cases, decryption is handled transparently to mythtv |
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| [18:29:12] | wagnerrp: | mythtv doesnt know and doesnt care if its encrypted, and couldnt affect anything one way or another anyway |
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| [18:30:02] | Blaksmith: | ahh. ok, so it would just try to grab the stream from the cablecard or if it is using an IR Blaster to a box.. got it |
| [18:30:34] | Blaksmith: | rather than from the card itself. |
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| [18:53:26] | justdave: | is there a way to set up an idle timeout on submenus (say the recordings selection screen) so it goes back to the top menu if it sits there more than X minutes? |
| [18:53:53] | wagnerrp: | not really |
| [18:54:14] | justdave: | the kids tend to leave it sitting on the recordings screen and never back out to the main menu, which annoys my wife to no end when she wants to watch live tv |
| [18:54:26] | wagnerrp: | why is that a problem? |
| [18:54:28] | justdave: | seems like a timeout to go back to the main menu if it's not actually doing something would solve that problem |
| [18:54:47] | justdave: | heh, yeah, discourage live tv use :) |
| [18:54:53] | justdave: | she's the only one that uses it. |
| [18:55:02] | wagnerrp: | if she hates hitting 'back' twice that much... set a button on the remote to use the live tv jumppoint |
| [18:57:34] | mangus580: | anyone got a good tutorial for serial LIRC on ubuntu? |
| [18:57:56] | mangus580: | I dont know why the mythcontrolcentre on mythbuntu doesnt have a homebrew serial setting |
| [18:58:38] | wagnerrp: | because it is homebrew, which means by definition there cannot be any pre-defined lirc config files |
| [18:59:11] | wagnerrp: | a dumb serial receiver is a generic one |
| [18:59:19] | wagnerrp: | so you could be recording any and every code you want with it |
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| [18:59:47] | wagnerrp: | there is no way for them to know which specific remote you were intending to use, so as to have an lircd.conf prebuilt to install |
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| [19:02:47] | sphery: | and if you use a jumppoint to get to Watch Recordings, then it's only back once to get to main menu |
| [19:02:58] | sphery: | so jumppoint for watch recordings and other for live tv would be perfect |
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| [19:12:08] | mangus580: | stupid laptop – if anyone responded to my serial LIRC request, I missed it |
| [19:12:19] | wagnerrp: | !url logs |
| [19:12:19] | MythLogBot: | logs: http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/1 |
| [19:12:38] | mangus580: | thanks wagnerrp I was trying to figure out how to view what I missed :-) |
| [19:13:53] | mangus580: | wagnerrp: ok, I have the proper lircd.conf file... I think I am up against getting hardware.conf right, and the drivers proper? |
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| [19:58:53] | sphery: | wagnerrp: guess this is how users say they want something backported? http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9464#comment:4 |
| [20:01:39] | wagnerrp: | seems like it |
| [20:12:15] | wagnerrp: | you know, i honestly dont remember committing that |
| [20:12:54] | sphery: | obviously, else you would have backported it long ago |
| [20:15:09] | stuartm: | look at the age of that package |
| [20:15:23] | stuartm: | 0.24.1+fixes.20110930 |
| [20:21:23] | wagnerrp: | ? |
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| [20:30:58] | lautriv: | my mythtv-backends do not longer update eit data for one channel ( just one ) , any smart ability to solve that without rescanning the whole bunch ? |
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| [20:49:06] | sphery: | rescan the one transport? |
| [20:49:32] | Oleg_: | is there a way to capture still images with my webcam in mythtv? |
| [20:49:53] | wagnerrp: | mythtv really doesnt do webcams |
| [20:50:08] | wagnerrp: | unless you want to run it through zoneminder/mythzoneminder |
| [20:50:15] | wagnerrp: | in which case everything is still images, even the video |
| [20:51:28] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: does mythtv even know how to handle the framerates and colorspaces required for webcams? |
| [20:51:51] | devinheitmueller: | (they tend to be RGB capture instead of YUV, and framerates other than 29.97 or 25) |
| [20:51:55] | wagnerrp: | thats questionable |
| [20:52:24] | devinheitmueller: | I haven't looked at the nupplevideo encoder in a while. I thought it only did YUYV and UYVY. |
| [20:52:25] | wagnerrp: | im thinking it might be able to do the UVC mjpeg cams |
| [20:52:46] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: perhaps, but that's a very small minority of webcams. |
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| [20:57:04] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: what, exactly, does this do? http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10008 |
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| [20:59:53] | Beirdo: | it modifies how the fifo mode synchronizes video and audio around cut points |
| [21:00:37] | Beirdo: | and apparently makes cut/transcoded files less craptacular at each cutpoint as a result |
| [21:01:08] | Beirdo: | fifo mode is currently mainly used by nuvexport (which I think has been broken again recently) |
| [21:01:26] | Beirdo: | I'll be testing that part of it soon :) |
| [21:02:30] | skd5aner: | he specifically mentions h264 content... |
| [21:02:36] | Beirdo: | Why are people STILL reporting bugs in 0.23? |
| [21:02:50] | skd5aner: | does that mean that we could now "losslessly" cut h264 recordings? |
| [21:02:51] | dekarl: | because the bugs are still there? |
| [21:02:56] | Beirdo: | yeah, apparently some H.264 exhibits the issues more |
| [21:03:09] | Beirdo: | dekarl: my answer is "upgrade" |
| [21:03:14] | dekarl: | and its on LTS, so it must have some support, right!? |
| [21:03:18] | Beirdo: | no |
| [21:03:29] | dekarl: | </irony> |
| [21:03:29] | Beirdo: | the version in LTS was a pre-release crappy version :) |
| [21:03:31] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [21:03:55] | Beirdo: | unfortunately, I don't think 0.25 will be ready in time for this LTS, will it? |
| [21:03:59] | dekarl: | what do you mean, the bugs won't disappear without updating in one way or another? ;) |
| [21:04:06] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [21:05:01] | skd5aner: | I've had bugs dissapear without updating |
| [21:05:09] | skd5aner: | I blame a higher power |
| [21:05:24] | skd5aner: | s/blame/credit |
| [21:06:09] | dekarl: | yeah, that's a well documented skill of system administrators, its called the laying-on of hands |
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| [21:08:33] | lautriv: | my mythtv-backends do not longer update eit data for one channel ( just one ) , any smart ability to solve that without rescanning the whole bunch ? |
| [21:09:20] | dekarl: | lautriv: did you try rescanning the transport as suggested by sph ery? |
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| [21:36:34] | skd5aner: | what is the point of this reply? http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/501395#501395 |
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| [21:39:24] | skd5aner: | I'd love for a web-based cutlist editor to eventually make it's way into mythweb proper – http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/491610 |
| [21:39:42] | skd5aner: | wonder how well he's currently written it |
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| [21:44:38] | sphery: | I think the idea is awful |
| [21:45:11] | sphery: | I understand wanting to be able to do it when not in front of frontend, but, really, generate a pixmap of every frame the user asks to see and pass it over http to the user? |
| [21:46:27] | sphery: | you'd be better off just doing a streaming player with editor features, but it would be a lot harder to implement (especially keeping "sync", especially when transcoding) |
| [21:46:51] | sphery: | sync meaning between the original frame numbers and the ones the player sees |
| [21:47:04] | skd5aner: | I just hate doing it with a remote and keyboard |
| [21:47:12] | skd5aner: | this is one instance where the mouse would really nice |
| [21:47:24] | skd5aner: | "would be really nice" |
| [21:47:44] | sphery: | what does the mouse give? |
| [21:47:48] | skd5aner: | it's not terrible the way it is now, just not very efficient |
| [21:47:50] | sphery: | scroll wheel, point, click |
| [21:47:55] | skd5aner: | yup |
| [21:48:03] | skd5aner: | drag, drop |
| [21:48:04] | sphery: | where point is very coarse grained--far too much so for actual editing |
| [21:48:24] | sphery: | only allows jumping (and, btw, I have patches that will make that much easier--by redoing the ancient approach we used before) |
| [21:48:24] | skd5aner: | I agree – frame by frame with left/right is necessary |
| [21:48:50] | sphery: | wheel could be used for frame by frame, but not really much different from left/right |
| [21:48:55] | skd5aner: | yea |
| [21:49:17] | sphery: | not sure how drag and drop could be useful |
| [21:49:37] | skd5aner: | Still – I would feel way more comfortable doing it on a desktop environment than on a "tv" |
| [21:50:07] | sphery: | agreed, desktop environment is more comfortable than keyboard on lap while sitting on couch |
| [21:50:12] | dekarl: | http://www.google.de/search?q=jog+shuttle+usb :) |
| [21:50:23] | sphery: | if only you could run mythfrontend on a desktop computer... ;) |
| [21:50:49] | sphery: | dekarl: hehe, that would be nice |
| [21:50:49] | skd5aner: | if only |
| [21:53:31] | sphery: | anyway, I'm not excited over the idea of the backend creating 10K pixmaps just to edit a recording (that would be seeing 10% of the frames in a 1-hr show with 30fps or 5% of a 60fps show) |
| [21:54:00] | skd5aner: | I can totally understand that |
| [21:54:07] | sphery: | (especially when our current preview handling results in those sticking around forever :) |
| [21:54:20] | skd5aner: | but, common' sphery... the cloud... THE CLOUD MAN! |
| [21:54:24] | sphery: | actually, they might get deleted on transcode... |
| [21:54:26] | skd5aner: | ;-) |
| [21:54:31] | sphery: | hehe |
| [21:55:18] | sphery: | yeah, cloud... "Reply cloudy, try again" |
| [22:01:17] | jams: | for all the talk about overhyped crap..the cloud is the clear winner |
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| [22:22:04] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, I wouldn't see these previews being saved to disks. I do see remote cutlist editting being more valuable if we get better native smartphone and tablet apps. |
| [22:23:33] | Captain_Murdoch: | a 'frameserver' player could be instantiated which just served up frames requested. if a frameserver is open for the requested file, re-use it, otherwise if it's not accessed within X seconds, close the file. |
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| [22:33:01] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: yeah, we'd have to modify it to either not save them or save them only for a short time, but converting a large portion of a recording to pngs just seems clumsy |
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| [22:33:26] | sphery: | not to mention the fact that our previewgenerator is /not/ frame accurate |
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| [22:34:17] | Captain_Murdoch: | that's part of why I think it would need a different 'player' to serve up these frames since it would have to be frame accurate even after seeking around. |
| [22:34:57] | sphery: | or at least based on the fact that I get a picture several frames away from the paused frame when I do a screenshot, it doesn't seem to be |
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| [22:35:29] | sphery: | yeah... anyway, if we do have it, though, it cannot go into mythweb |
| [22:35:39] | sphery: | it has to be backend services stuff and mythweb can proxy |
| [22:36:08] | sphery: | there would be far too much code that would try to reimplement stuff that already exists if it were mythweb |
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