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[00:05:54] | sphery: | dpeterson3: there's a known issue when switching between digital and analog tuners |
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[00:07:47] | sphery: | dpeterson3: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9177 |
[00:11:07] | dpeterson3: | I read that report, but its almost a year old. I thought it was fixed in the newer versions. |
[00:11:44] | sphery: | still an open ticket |
[00:12:02] | sphery: | I'm guessing it won't be fixed until some user who actually uses Live TV debugs it |
[00:13:59] | dpeterson3: | Dang. I was hoping to use liveTV to setup a stream for someone. They want to watch a camera live. |
[00:14:33] | sphery: | you can always just set up a recording and they can watch the recording in progress |
[00:15:08] | sphery: | and by using start early/end late on the recording rule--or even doing a manual recording rule--you can have it last however long you like |
[00:15:34] | dpeterson3: | Alright. I guess we will have to do that. Thanks for the help. |
[00:15:44] | sphery: | good luck |
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[00:22:30] | wagnerrp: | stuartm, sphery: were using a uint64 for the free space, and were casting the long long (int64) to a size_t for the comparison |
[00:22:43] | wagnerrp: | i dont know off hand if size_t is 32-bit or 64-bit, which would directly cause the issue |
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[00:23:11] | wagnerrp: | or perhaps there is something odd with the handling of signed versus unsigned that causes problems with the comparison |
[00:23:42] | wagnerrp: | but whatever the case, the comparison is failing when the amount of freespace crosses the 8GB (2**34) boundary |
[00:24:18] | wagnerrp: | wizbit: WTF is a "chip 2.0"? |
[00:24:43] | wagnerrp: | oh, 2GHz |
[00:24:45] | wagnerrp: | nevermind |
[00:29:44] | wagnerrp: | sphery, stuartm: looking at our current code, were still using longlongs for the free space, and were still using the same cast and comparison to check if we should be expiring |
[00:30:27] | wagnerrp: | so as it appears, we should still be suffering the same problem in regards to 32-bit and/or [un]signed issues in the autoexpirer |
[00:31:05] | wagnerrp: | of course this only applies to users with a very large amount of free space on a single partition |
[00:31:38] | wagnerrp: | meaning people who record to an array, or depending on the particular issue, people with primarily empty 2.5 and 3TB hard drives |
[00:34:04] | sphery: | wagnerrp: size_t on 32-bit Linux would have SIZE_MAX of 2^32 (4GiB when representing bytes...) |
[00:34:14] | sphery: | not sure where 2^34 would come into play |
[00:35:25] | sphery: | anyway, did the guy ever post logs? |
[00:35:36] | sphery: | (did I ever actually send the e-mail asking for them?) |
[00:35:41] | wagnerrp: | yes, you looked at them, the dropbox link |
[00:35:54] | sphery: | this is the guy from the list? |
[00:36:03] | sphery: | same guy? |
[00:36:03] | wagnerrp: | i dont know if its the same guy as was on the list |
[00:36:13] | wagnerrp: | actually, i very much doubt it |
[00:36:25] | sphery: | 2012-01–24 06:29:32.076 fsID #1: Total: 11002.7 GB Used: 2801.5 GB Free: 8201.2 GB |
[00:36:31] | wagnerrp: | size_t would be an uint32_t? |
[00:37:11] | sphery: | according to /usr/include/stdint.h |
[00:37:31] | sphery: | or at least it represents up to 2^32 as max |
[00:38:10] | wagnerrp: | well then its actually behaving backwards, isnt it? |
[00:38:17] | sphery: | so, it seems we're ok at representing >11TB total and > 8TB free, at least |
[00:38:28] | sphery: | now comparisons might be messed up |
[00:38:36] | wagnerrp: | below 8TB, it should be a large value |
[00:38:39] | wagnerrp: | while above, it would all be 0s |
[00:39:13] | wagnerrp: | since at 8TB, it should roll over into another bit, and flip the rest all back to 0 |
[00:39:20] | sphery: | 2012-01–24 06:43:18.861 Cardid 2: max bitrate 21679 Kb/sec, fsID 1 max is now 162597 KB/min |
[00:39:28] | wagnerrp: | so when cast to a 32-bit, it would be freespace-8TB, effectively |
[00:39:57] | wagnerrp: | or, freespace%2**32 |
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[00:40:11] | sphery: | seems to indicate he has about 6 tuners in use (assuming there's some extra space for each or 8 if not) |
[00:40:24] | sphery: | where is the code you're looking at |
[00:40:28] | sphery: | what lines are the comparison |
[00:40:38] | sphery: | without seeing it I have no idea what's going on |
[00:41:18] | sphery: | it's quite possible that we still have size issues in that code because I dont think anyone has used such large file systems since they're actually a bad idea with current mythtv |
[00:41:20] | wagnerrp: | https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . ire.cpp#L493 |
[00:41:29] | sphery: | (well, not an ideal approach, at least) |
[00:42:15] | wagnerrp: | sphery: actually, ZFS with an L2ARC would work wonders, recording to a single massive filesystem |
[00:42:28] | wagnerrp: | of course it would work wonders recording to multiple independent filesystems too... |
[00:42:28] | wagnerrp: | :) |
[00:42:58] | wagnerrp: | you could even stuff your database on the same array if you so desired |
[00:42:59] | sphery: | 2012-01–24 07:25:26.982 fsID #1: Total: 11002.7 GB Used: 2807.9 GB Free: 8194.8 GB |
[00:43:02] | sphery: | 2012-01–24 07:25:26.998 Not Enough Free Space! We want 3988 MB |
[00:43:06] | sphery: | yeah, so we're definitely broken on comparison there |
[00:43:16] | sphery: | as 8194.8GB > 3988MB |
[00:43:33] | sphery: | we shouldn't be using size_t for any of it |
[00:43:49] | sphery: | size_t is for memory things (and, therefore, tied to arch) |
[00:43:57] | sphery: | we should use uint_64t |
[00:44:07] | sphery: | (and really long long should be changed to uint_64t) |
[00:44:08] | wagnerrp: | (L2ARC fills the same purpose of battery-backed RAM, youre writing to a non-volatile cache of whatever size SSD you feed it) |
[00:44:25] | sphery: | oh, speaking of which, did you see that Dell is going MRAM, instead, for their arrays |
[00:44:34] | sphery: | http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2012/01/23/dell_lsi_mram/ |
[00:44:35] | wagnerrp: | any real problem with long long? or just type consistency across architectures? |
[00:44:41] | sphery: | right, consistency |
[00:44:55] | sphery: | long long isn't guaranteed to be any particular size--just longer than long :) |
[00:44:55] | wagnerrp: | someone actually got mram up to production grade? |
[00:45:10] | wagnerrp: | si this mram? or that memrister stuff? |
[00:45:12] | sphery: | guess so--or if not, we'll find out soon enough :) |
[00:45:17] | sphery: | mram, here |
[00:45:32] | sphery: | LSI RAID controller cards |
[00:45:37] | wagnerrp: | is there really a difference? |
[00:45:39] | sphery: | HP is the memrister one |
[00:46:03] | sphery: | I think mram now fits into the "edited" definition of memrister |
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[00:46:15] | sphery: | but not sure |
[00:46:52] | sphery: | njustinc1: so, wagnerrp found that we do have a problem in there (and helped me remember which problem I was supposed to be looking at in your logs :) |
[00:47:19] | wagnerrp: | sphery: so do we do fixes for both 0.25 and previous? |
[00:47:20] | sphery: | wagnerrp: you planning on doing some type conversions or want someone else to? |
[00:47:28] | sphery: | I think this warrants a backport |
[00:47:29] | wagnerrp: | since the underlying code is completely different in 0.25 |
[00:47:37] | wagnerrp: | well, no it doesnt |
[00:47:39] | sphery: | autoexpire changed that much? |
[00:47:52] | wagnerrp: | it warrents independent fixes |
[00:47:53] | wagnerrp: | thats what im getting at |
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[00:48:11] | sphery: | I don't remember any changes to autoexpire code |
[00:48:36] | wagnerrp: | the autoexpire code... no |
[00:48:46] | wagnerrp: | but FileSystemInfo is completely different |
[00:49:00] | sphery: | oh, changed with mythmediaserver or something? |
[00:49:00] | wagnerrp: | the old FSI was just a dumb container class |
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[00:49:22] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
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[00:49:38] | sphery: | ah, yeah, https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/65e877ae9c |
[00:49:54] | rmsbl: | i'm running at 99% of capacity... is there any way to actually delete recordings? |
[00:49:55] | sphery: | which is cool--you've likely done some of the work toward my TODO of making MythTV "do the right thing" with files |
[00:50:31] | wagnerrp: | rmsbl: when you tell mythtv to delete a recording, mythtv will delete the recording |
[00:50:39] | sphery: | (meaning know which file systems are local and remote to which hosts and how to best retrieve a file) |
[00:50:41] | wagnerrp: | unless you tell it to otherwise just move the recording to the 'Deleted' group |
[00:50:50] | rmsbl: | yes, but very, very slowly... |
[00:51:03] | rmsbl: | and i'm downloading other things and running out of space |
[00:51:06] | sphery: | only slowly if you enable slow deletes |
[00:51:07] | wagnerrp: | at which point it gets deleted whenever the auto-expirer decides it needs to free up space |
[00:51:23] | wagnerrp: | rmsbl: no, when you delete something, it deletes it immediately, unless you have that slow deletes enabled |
[00:51:36] | rmsbl: | ahh, okay |
[00:51:36] | wagnerrp: | which slowly truncates it to get around performance issues in ext3 |
[00:51:38] | sphery: | though it's quite possible your distro--and not you--enabled slow deletes |
[00:51:40] | rmsbl: | so mythtv-setup |
[00:51:44] | sphery: | mythtv-setup |
[00:51:50] | sphery: | Delete file slowly in General |
[00:52:15] | sphery: | and note that MythTV doesn't support "keeping up" with other apps/users using the file system |
[00:52:16] | wagnerrp: | by default, the auto-expirer runs every 15 minutes, requiring 10GB of free space |
[00:52:16] | wagnerrp: | (or is it 1GB?) |
[00:52:25] | sphery: | it's really designed to have exclusive access to the file system |
[00:52:42] | sphery: | default is either 0GB or 1GB |
[00:52:48] | wagnerrp: | so unless youre filling the filesystem at a sustained rate higher than 750MB/min |
[00:52:53] | wagnerrp: | the auto-expirer should maintain pace |
[00:52:57] | sphery: | and the 15min is actually "at least every 15 min" |
[00:53:10] | wagnerrp: | ... unless you have slow deletes enabled, at which point it will not |
[00:53:31] | sphery: | yeah, default for Extra disk space (GB) is 1GB |
[00:53:43] | sphery: | (technically 1GiB, but I know I can't win that argument) |
[00:53:53] | ** sphery should make a translation that does proper units ** | |
[00:53:55] | wagnerrp: | sphery: do you know what kind of quantity theyre putting in these things? |
[00:54:05] | sphery: | of mram? |
[00:54:09] | wagnerrp: | i mean its still memory, you just dont need a battery |
[00:54:30] | sphery: | yeah, I'd actually think the battery and electronics would be significantly cheaper than lots of mram |
[00:54:46] | wagnerrp: | as opposed to the ZFS stuff which is designed to use 32–128GB of SLC flash |
[00:55:14] | rmsbl: | so, i disabled "delete files slowly" ... i should wait 15 minutes to see changes? |
[00:55:15] | wagnerrp: | 32GB of flash opens up a lot more interesting possibilities than 2GB of mram |
[00:55:46] | sphery: | oh, didn't mention after you explained about the differences in FileSystemInfo, but I think it's acceptable to go either way--either fix 0.24-fixes or just say that 0.25 will add support for arrays > 8TB (or whatever) |
[00:55:46] | wagnerrp: | is your backend currently running? or did you let mythtv-setup terminate it? or did a wrapper script around mythtv-setup terminate it for you? |
[00:56:02] | rmsbl: | i didn't terminate it |
[00:56:05] | sphery: | but does it have to be Salt Lake City flash? |
[00:56:08] | sphery: | ;) |
[00:56:19] | wagnerrp: | they you may need to issue a settings flush |
[00:56:26] | sphery: | rmsbl: for that you probably need to restart mythbackend |
[00:56:29] | wagnerrp: | i dont know if mythtv-setup will do that on its own |
[00:56:33] | rmsbl: | okay, thanks |
[00:56:33] | wagnerrp: | there is a command line option for mythbackend for that |
[00:56:42] | rmsbl: | which is? |
[00:56:43] | sphery: | it does, but still the autoexpirer is already set up |
[00:56:50] | sphery: | no need for the command |
[00:56:54] | rmsbl: | okay |
[00:56:56] | sphery: | mythtv-setup already sent out a clear cache command |
[00:57:02] | sphery: | but you probably need to restart mythbackend, anyway |
[00:57:03] | wagnerrp: | sphery: single level... i.e. hundreds of thousands of write cycles, as opposed to ~5–10k |
[00:57:49] | rmsbl: | ahh, it worked! |
[00:57:50] | wagnerrp: | if youre not recording anything, there wont be any harm to it anyway |
[00:57:52] | sphery: | yeah, SLC is basically "hardware" flash where MLC is like our virtual tuners--using tricks to make less flash seem like more |
[00:57:54] | rmsbl: | thanks, wagnerrp |
[00:58:30] | wagnerrp: | sphery: no, MLC means you can store multiple bits per cell, by using multiple voltage levels |
[00:58:30] | wagnerrp: | usually 4 instead of 2 |
[00:58:34] | wagnerrp: | sometimes up to 8 |
[00:58:45] | wagnerrp: | but more voltage levels means more susceptible to degredation |
[00:59:02] | sphery: | right |
[00:59:06] | sphery: | tricks |
[00:59:19] | wagnerrp: | and you get an order of magnitude less flashes before you are unable to safely distinguish between the multiple states |
[00:59:33] | sphery: | ah, didn't realize it affected longevity |
[00:59:35] | sphery: | interesting |
[01:00:09] | sphery: | so was looking to see if I could find it, but can't |
[01:00:21] | sphery: | thought we had a ticket about long long -> uint_64t, but seems we don't |
[01:00:29] | rmsbl: | another quesiton... which filesystem do you use? ext4? |
[01:00:32] | sphery: | was probably just discussion on #mythtv |
[01:00:48] | sphery: | rmsbl: I use ext3 |
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[01:00:57] | rmsbl: | more stable? |
[01:01:06] | sphery: | but not because it's the best choice for mythtv, but because it's the one I've grown to trust |
[01:01:08] | wagnerrp: | well say your cell operates at 1V, but each flash diminishes its capability by say 2uV |
[01:01:40] | wagnerrp: | on SLC flash, anything above 0.1V charge is a positive, so youve got a couple hundred thousand flash cycles before you can no longer read the correct value |
[01:02:38] | wagnerrp: | on MLC flash, the 0b11 pattern may be anything above 0.8V, so youve only got a few tens of thousands of flashes before you risk data corruption |
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[01:03:34] | wagnerrp: | sphery: although i would expect its more of a logarithmic curve, so you would lose that first 0.2V much faster than the last 0.1V |
[01:04:12] | wagnerrp: | rmsbl: are you using ext3? or something else? |
[01:04:22] | wagnerrp: | if youre using ext3, you really need to use that slow deletes |
[01:05:01] | wagnerrp: | and that also means if you delete any large files on that drive independently of mythtv, you can disrupt any recordings or other operations currently using that drive |
[01:05:25] | rmsbl: | ext4 |
[01:05:26] | wagnerrp: | and by disrupt, i mean all IO blocks for tens of seconds or more |
[01:05:33] | rmsbl: | wagnerrp: ext4 |
[01:05:50] | wagnerrp: | ext4 does not suffer the same issue |
[01:06:06] | sphery: | actually, fwiw, modern ext3 isn't nearly as bad as most think |
[01:06:13] | sphery: | I can delete 10GB files in <1s |
[01:06:25] | wagnerrp: | most of those issues have been resolved? |
[01:06:32] | sphery: | seemingly |
[01:06:44] | sphery: | though some files take much longer to delete... haven't figured out details |
[01:07:02] | wagnerrp: | probably has to do with fragmentation |
[01:07:10] | sphery: | oh, and thanks for the background on mlc/slc--I've seen the terms and knew the general idea, but never really looked into any details |
[01:07:54] | sphery: | that will serve me well when I have to buy my 12TB of MythTV storage on SSDs because people decided that spinning things are bad |
[01:08:11] | wagnerrp: | thats why MLC drives are much cheaper and larger, but SLC drives are pretty much the only thing used for enterprise applications |
[01:09:01] | wagnerrp: | MLC is only worth using if youre not writing high volumes of data |
[01:09:14] | wagnerrp: | but you could potentially burn one out in a month of heavy usage |
[01:09:24] | sphery: | yeah |
[01:09:49] | wagnerrp: | while the much more expensive SLC might last a year or more |
[01:10:00] | sphery: | I just bought an SSD for an acquaintance whose system I got to fix (dropped the system and borked the HDD) |
[01:10:01] | wagnerrp: | 3–6x the price, but so much more livetime |
[01:10:01] | wagnerrp: | lifetime |
[01:10:29] | sphery: | his son-in-law told me to go with SSD and told me which one to get... now I have to see if it's mlc or slc |
[01:10:46] | sphery: | I'm guessing mlc |
[01:10:54] | wagnerrp: | its MLC |
[01:11:10] | wagnerrp: | i guarantee you its MLC |
[01:11:19] | sphery: | yep |
[01:11:36] | sphery: | and windows won't eat that up when using it as a c: |
[01:11:37] | wagnerrp: | i.e. OCZ doesnt use anything but MLC |
[01:11:47] | sphery: | this is a patriot |
[01:11:51] | sphery: | torqx 2 |
[01:13:09] | rmsbl: | anyone here use sl/centous? atrpms' mythtv package is not very stable for me |
[01:13:13] | rmsbl: | crashes a lot |
[01:14:10] | wagnerrp: | sphery: for example.. 32GB ridata for $100, 20GB intel for $120, 200GB seagate for $3600 |
[01:14:28] | sphery: | wow, yeah, definitely outside of the price range I was looking at |
[01:14:49] | wagnerrp: | while MLC parts are nearing, and sometimes under, $1/GB |
[01:15:50] | wagnerrp: | state of the union tonight? |
[01:16:02] | wagnerrp: | i guess that would explain why ive have nothing scheduled to record |
[01:16:04] | sphery: | yeah, the one I got was just over $1/GB |
[01:16:21] | sphery: | and, yeah, state of the onion |
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[01:25:58] | sphery: | wagnerrp: so I did remember to ask the guy on the list for logs... http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/499861#499861 |
[01:26:52] | skd5aner: | yay, my receiver won't allow me to use an optical input when using an HDMI source :/ |
[01:27:12] | ** skd5aner has to now go figure out how to do audio over HDMI with ALSA ** | |
[01:27:30] | wagnerrp: | what graphics chip? |
[01:27:51] | skd5aner: | gt240 |
[01:29:00] | wagnerrp: | well if you really dont want to use HDMI audio (not sure why you wouldnt), theres a page on the wiki thet describes giving a modified EDID block that strips out the audio capabilities |
[01:29:08] | wagnerrp: | it could be that your card is telling your receiver that it is sending audio over HDMI |
[01:29:08] | wagnerrp: | which is preventing it from otherwise pulling from another source |
[01:29:39] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: well – habit first off (been using spdif since ~2004ish) |
[01:29:57] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: and 2, I haven't been using HDMI at all until recently – was using VGA |
[01:30:59] | skd5aner: | long story, but my plasma is a Pioneer Elite 720p model from ~2007 – the HDMI ports don't support the native resolution, so everything is scalled |
[01:31:31] | wagnerrp: | everything is scaled anyway |
[01:31:32] | skd5aner: | anyway – just rewired the house and moved the TV, so I decided to leverage the cables I ran through the walls – in this case, HDMI is just the easiest, so now I need to make the transition |
[01:31:59] | skd5aner: | true, but I can only seem to send it a 1080i signal via HDMI |
[01:33:52] | skd5aner: | time to go experiment |
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[01:34:33] | wagnerrp: | a lot of 720p tvs only accept a 1080i signal |
[01:37:49] | rmsbl: | anyone here have two hd-pvrs? |
[01:38:38] | wagnerrp: | rmsbl: better to sell them, return the cable boxes, and get a cablecard tuner |
[01:38:55] | wagnerrp: | maybe keep one of both if you want to record premium channels |
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[01:39:43] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: any idea which device I should select in the audio settings – a lot of them pick up 7.1 |
[01:40:21] | wagnerrp: | one of them mapped to your nvidia card |
[01:40:35] | rmsbl: | wait... there are cablecard pc cards that run on linux? |
[01:40:57] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable |
[01:41:02] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_ . . . leCard_Tuner |
[01:41:03] | wagnerrp: | rmsbl: more or less... theyre actually all network-attached devices |
[01:41:07] | sphery: | note the "copy freely" qualifications |
[01:41:15] | wagnerrp: | and mythtv is allowed to record the 'copy freely' content using them |
[01:41:21] | wagnerrp: | which with your verizon, means everything but the premiums |
[01:41:31] | rmsbl: | hmm |
[01:41:40] | sphery: | at least, today :) |
[01:41:46] | rmsbl: | is this that 5c thing i heard so much about? |
[01:42:03] | sphery: | no, it's just a flag |
[01:42:18] | Seeker`: | skd5aner: my 430 is something like hdmi:CARD=Nvidia_1,DEV=3 |
[01:42:20] | sphery: | 5c is what you have to implement to be able to use content not flagged copy freely |
[01:42:22] | wagnerrp: | its similar, but 5C is specifically something firewire boxes enforce when they detect the copy protection flags |
[01:42:32] | wagnerrp: | (over firewire) |
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[01:42:51] | Seeker`: | skd5aner: ALSA:hdmi:CARD=NVidia_1,DEV=3 |
[01:43:06] | Seeker`: | not sure why it is 3 though |
[01:43:22] | sphery: | because that's how it's wired on your card :) |
[01:43:26] | wagnerrp: | i think its always 3 |
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[01:43:39] | wagnerrp: | its 3 on my onboard 8200 |
[01:43:58] | Seeker`: | sphery: well, yes :P I'm wondering why the main output isn't 0 though :P |
[01:44:01] | sphery: | likely 3 on most since few cards diverge much from reference designes |
[01:50:52] | skd5aner: | no dice |
[01:50:54] | skd5aner: | grrr |
[01:53:58] | skd5aner: | do I need something in my asound.conf file? |
[01:54:13] | wagnerrp: | you shouldnt |
[01:57:08] | skd5aner: | here's my aplay -L |
[01:57:19] | wagnerrp: | ugh... why would _anyone_ run an opteron with 8GB of memory on a 32-bit kernel |
[01:57:43] | wagnerrp: | if you can use the memory natively, why wouldnt you? |
[01:58:07] | skd5aner: | what OS? |
[01:58:32] | wagnerrp: | they should have left PAE out of the x86–64 spec, to prevent people from doing such foolish things |
[01:58:38] | wagnerrp: | mythbuntu 11.10 |
[02:01:57] | sphery: | hehe #10283 fixes an issue that I fixed almost a year ago as part of a patch I did |
[02:02:15] | sphery: | haven't committed it, yet, because change is evil |
[02:02:57] | skd5aner: | is there a differnce in HDMI audio out between the 220/240 cards an the 4xx series cards? |
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[02:05:13] | wagnerrp: | yes, the 4xx series generally support bitstreaming of compressed HD audio formats |
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[02:05:42] | wagnerrp: | the 2xx cards usually only support AC3/DTS and multi-channel LPCM |
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[02:07:23] | skd5aner: | speaker-test -c 2 -r 48000 -D hdmi:1,1 – ah ha! success! |
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[02:35:21] | jams: | Beirdo- by any chance do you still have script that was used to convert most of the logging code from VERBOSE to the new stuff? |
[02:35:46] | iamlindoro: | thought all that was done manually |
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[02:36:18] | jams: | it may have been, sorta remembered he had a script or maybe he just talked about it |
[02:47:02] | sphery: | we really need to remove Live TV support from MythTV |
[02:47:14] | sphery: | either that or convince someone to actually fix it |
[02:47:45] | sphery: | jams: I think he did it manually |
[02:48:17] | sphery: | since he had to decide what log level to use for each |
[02:48:58] | wagnerrp: | and VB_IMPORTANT no longer exists |
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[02:50:11] | sphery: | yeah, so that basically became LOG_INFO with VB_<whatever was actually appropriate> |
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[03:14:33] | Beirdo: | jams: the script was me... Whazzup? |
[03:15:00] | sphery: | #!Beirdo |
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[03:15:53] | wagnerrp: | awesome! |
[03:16:02] | jams: | Beirdo- nothing major. Was just updating my app, and looking to save myself a bit of work. |
[03:16:02] | ** wagnerrp wonders where he can install that shell ** | |
[03:16:11] | Beirdo: | the closest thing to a script woulda been the ggvi one |
[03:16:23] | Beirdo: | git grep $1 -> vi |
[03:16:27] | Beirdo: | basically |
[03:16:30] | jams: | heh |
[03:16:36] | wagnerrp: | jams: app using the same logging libraries? |
[03:16:41] | sphery: | I used a Beirdo-script to actually write all the logging code, too |
[03:16:44] | jams: | wagnerrp- yep |
[03:17:15] | Beirdo: | heheh |
[03:17:50] | jams: | Beirdo- using KATE for that. There are not alot of them, but enough to at least ask the question :) |
[03:18:06] | jams: | wagnerrp- it's also using the same commandlineparser stuff |
[03:18:23] | jams: | those two combined has made this update more work then usual |
[03:18:34] | wagnerrp: | let me know if you have any questions about that one |
[03:18:42] | Beirdo: | hehe |
[03:18:49] | Beirdo: | big changes tend to do that |
[03:19:06] | jams: | i let it lapse, my own fault |
[03:19:06] | wagnerrp: | especially when they havent changed for years |
[03:19:28] | wagnerrp: | of course... its not like the old command line parser really did much |
[03:19:43] | jams: | wagnerrp- might have a few, for now it's working. But I have yet to convert everything |
[03:20:12] | skd5aner: | hmmm, when I run an AC3 5.1 test video in mythtv, it says my left channel is my left rear channel (I don't have the rears hooked up right now) – but speaker test says it's correct |
[03:20:34] | Beirdo: | now for a fun script |
[03:20:51] | wagnerrp: | funky... someone was complaining about that in mythtvtalk last week |
[03:20:54] | Beirdo: | login to about 300 servers in a row... pull config from each |
[03:21:09] | Beirdo: | then normalize configs |
[03:21:17] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: the stuff I was talking about? |
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[03:21:40] | wagnerrp: | yes, frontend and rears mixed up |
[03:21:46] | skd5aner: | hmmm |
[03:22:15] | wagnerrp: | i figured he just screwed up something, perhaps physically |
[03:22:23] | sphery: | I've seen the complaint several times |
[03:22:27] | sphery: | no clue what the fix was |
[03:22:27] | wagnerrp: | so i told him to run the audio test in the setup menu |
[03:22:27] | wagnerrp: | never heard back |
[03:22:35] | sphery: | (or if they ever found the fix) |
[03:22:51] | skd5aner: | there's a test in the setup menu? |
[03:22:57] | skd5aner: | (in 0.24?) |
[03:23:28] | wagnerrp: | you just said you used it |
[03:23:39] | wagnerrp: | maybe thats only in 0.25 |
[03:23:53] | wagnerrp: | or did you actually mean the 'speaker-test' command line app |
[03:24:00] | skd5aner: | now – I ran the CLI – speaker-test |
[03:24:05] | skd5aner: | s/now/no |
[03:24:29] | skd5aner: | speaker-test -c 6 -r 48000 -D hdmi:1,1 – left right and center play fine there |
[03:24:38] | wagnerrp: | been so long since a release, gets easy to mix features |
[03:24:42] | skd5aner: | yea |
[03:31:41] | skd5aner: | trying to find another channel testing clip to verify |
[03:32:10] | wagnerrp: | cant you use the test clips inside the frontend setup wizard? |
[03:32:28] | skd5aner: | NOT... IN... 0.24 |
[03:32:35] | skd5aner: | (ttbomk) |
[03:32:56] | wagnerrp: | man, what are you still doing on 0.24? |
[03:32:56] | wagnerrp: | :) |
[03:33:35] | skd5aner: | what are you still doing developing the yet-to-be 0.25 ;) |
[03:37:39] | jams: | well it compiles now..thats a plus. Just need to hunt down what happened to HostImageSelect |
[03:38:31] | wagnerrp: | not anything i touched |
[03:38:50] | jams: | i'm betting stuartm :) |
[03:40:18] | skd5aner: | OK... my first test was cutting off the first second or 2... so, the front left speaker DOES work as the front left |
[03:40:22] | skd5aner: | HOWEVER... |
[03:40:34] | skd5aner: | it also responds as the rear-left too :S |
[03:40:50] | jams: | skd5aner- intel hdaudio ? |
[03:40:56] | wagnerrp: | yeah, that will happen if its upmixing |
[03:40:57] | skd5aner: | no, nvidia HDMI |
[03:41:13] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: ttbomk, I didn't turn on upmixing, but let me go check |
[03:43:10] | skd5aner: | The "Upmix Quality" setting is set to "Best", but the "Upconvert stereo to 5.1" is not checked |
[03:43:52] | skd5aner: | I'll hook up all the speakers in a week or so – lets see what happens then |
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[06:13:03] | sphery: | I'm sure someone is going to make a comment about my blasting the Atom, now. |
[06:14:30] | ** wagnerrp goes and checks 'the hot lists' ** | |
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[06:23:12] | jya: | how does the DLNA stuff works ? |
[06:23:28] | jya: | I tried last night with a few DLNA app on my iPad |
[06:23:38] | jya: | it shows by default 3 folders: recording, videos and music |
[06:23:52] | jya: | however, videos contains mostly the stuff that is in music |
[06:24:10] | jya: | those are two very different folder |
[06:26:15] | tank-man: | how does your DLNA app on your ipad work? |
[06:30:10] | wagnerrp: | jya: is this 0.24 or 0.25? |
[06:30:16] | jya: | 0.24 |
[06:30:52] | jya: | tank-man: I start it, it sees my MythTV server, and I can browse it, is also see my Windows 7 Home running in VMWare |
[06:31:09] | wagnerrp: | in 0.24, the upnp server builds its own video lists based off the old local folder definitions |
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[06:31:18] | wagnerrp: | so whatever VideoStartupDir is for that host |
[06:31:37] | jya: | wagnerrp: could it be related to the use of storage group? |
[06:31:43] | jya: | ah … exactly what I was thinking |
[06:31:49] | jya: | now I need to know what that value is ! |
[06:31:54] | jya: | where is it defined ? |
[06:32:08] | wagnerrp: | database, settings table |
[06:32:38] | wagnerrp: | or from the media library settings in mythvideo in mythfrontend, when running on that host |
[06:34:09] | jya: | ok. |
[06:34:09] | jya: | let me try and modify that value |
[06:34:09] | jya: | will I have to restart mythbackend? |
[06:34:50] | wagnerrp: | dont know off hand if a settings cache flush will take care of it |
[06:39:47] | jya: | is that the "Directory that holds video" settings in Media -> Videos Settings -> General Video Settings ? |
[06:40:21] | wagnerrp: | something like that |
[06:40:40] | jya: | because right now I have nothing in there |
[06:40:49] | wagnerrp: | in 0.25, that has all been migrated over to storage groups |
[06:41:02] | jya: | I remember that if I added something there, I would get two lot of videos folder in mythvideo |
[06:41:18] | jya: | well, maybe time to move to trunk then |
[06:41:36] | wagnerrp: | if you have a folder there matching one specified in the Videos storage group |
[06:41:40] | wagnerrp: | mythvideo should simply ignore it when you perform a scan |
[06:43:26] | jya: | ok… let's try again.. brb |
[06:47:48] | jya: | allright, let's restart mythbackend |
[06:47:50] | jya: | just in case |
[06:50:46] | jya: | ahh, that's better |
[06:52:03] | jya: | interesting, recordings shows up in the DLNA client with an image, while none of the videos in the RootView do |
[06:52:44] | wagnerrp: | likely due to partial and inconsistent use of the protocol's capabilities |
[06:55:09] | jya: | how well, I see all my videos now, and I can play the mp4 one on the ipad |
[06:55:12] | jya: | was just curious |
[06:55:16] | jya: | I use AirVideo anyway |
[06:55:41] | wagnerrp: | did you see mark's recent work in regards to that? |
[06:56:14] | wagnerrp: | i seem to recall you being interested in that about a year and a half back, but unable to do anything about it due to NDAs |
[06:59:35] | jya: | yes, the AirPlay feature |
[06:59:47] | jya: | but Mark's airplay is the other way round |
[06:59:55] | jya: | play your iPad content on the mythfrontend |
[07:00:13] | wagnerrp: | oh, youre talking about using it to push content to the ipad |
[07:00:32] | jya: | Waht I want to do is the other way round |
[07:00:40] | jya: | play on the iPad my myth content |
[07:00:51] | jya: | which I do today with an application called AirVideo |
[07:01:20] | jya: | you run a daemon on the server, which will convert on the fly the video so it can be played on the iPad/iPhone using the application |
[07:01:24] | jya: | works very nicely |
[07:01:24] | wagnerrp: | i assume that does transcoding? |
[07:01:28] | jya: | it does |
[07:01:33] | jya: | it starts ffmpeg |
[07:01:59] | jya: | you can also from the iPad start offline transcoding that will be added to your iTunes library automatically |
[07:02:19] | jya: | keen to see what iamlindoro app will be doing... |
[07:06:15] | wagnerrp: | uses some on-the-fly transcoding interface written by capt'm |
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[10:29:32] | jarle: | Looks like I need to get myself a new remote for my frontend. Any suggestions? It needs to use bluetooth, and have keyboard functionality (Today I use a standard bluetooth keyboard) |
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[10:30:13] | russell5: | i have the dinovo mini pretty good |
[10:30:23] | smoothifier: | I tested my memory overnight. 812 errors and climbing. 20 more errors in five minutes! |
[10:33:43] | jarle: | russell5: It would be even better if it came with a charging-station, instead of normal batteries... |
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[10:36:47] | jarle: | russell5: today I have a Logitech diNovo Edge, full size keyboard. However there seems to be a flaky soldering or something inside, as it is a bit unstable and refuses to charge sometimes. Google tells me I am not the only one to experience this. |
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[10:41:32] | russell5: | its got a rechargeable battery and a plug for it. not really a dock though |
[10:46:40] | jarle: | russell5: so no need to remove the batteries to charge it? good. |
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[10:50:57] | russell5: | exactly. it works pretty good. it is kinda expensive for a keyboard but its pretty small and it has a mouse build in. |
[10:56:32] | jarle: | russell5: you use the clickpad to navigate in mythtv? left/right/up/down? |
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[11:01:55] | russell5: | yup and theres a switch to make it work like a mouse instead |
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[11:52:17] | fabefour: | hello i am using mythtv 0.24.1 and tried to delete recordings but it is not working. when i click on delete and confirm with ok simply nothing happens. has maybe anyone an idea how to help? |
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[12:01:12] | jarle: | fabefour: have a look in /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log |
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[12:10:06] | fabefour: | jarle: i did not find something interesting there... no errors |
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[22:09:46] | rockhound: | wagnerrp: just caught the system after a power up again unwilling to retry the connection on its on … mythfrontend is up with the "could not connect to master-backend…" dialog up… here is the mythwelcome.log (which includes log from mythfrontend): http://pastebin.com/1Sxxj8Hy |
[22:09:55] | rockhound: | as you can see, it does not retry even after 2 minutes |
[22:12:09] | skd5aner: | way to go, you broke the 10 hours of silence |
[22:12:25] | wagnerrp: | under default logging, it wont print anything further until it actually reconnects |
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[22:22:05] | rockhound: | skd5aner: crap, sorry ;) |
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[22:37:48] | sphery: | wow, 10hrs of silence... that must be a record |
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[23:23:35] | wizbit: | http://www.osnews.com/story/25540/Why_People_ . . . to_Stop_Them |
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