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Wednesday, January 25th, 2012, 00:00 UTC
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[00:05:54] sphery: dpeterson3: there's a known issue when switching between digital and analog tuners
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[00:07:47] sphery: dpeterson3: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9177
[00:11:07] dpeterson3: I read that report, but its almost a year old. I thought it was fixed in the newer versions.
[00:11:44] sphery: still an open ticket
[00:12:02] sphery: I'm guessing it won't be fixed until some user who actually uses Live TV debugs it
[00:13:59] dpeterson3: Dang. I was hoping to use liveTV to setup a stream for someone. They want to watch a camera live.
[00:14:33] sphery: you can always just set up a recording and they can watch the recording in progress
[00:15:08] sphery: and by using start early/end late on the recording rule--or even doing a manual recording rule--you can have it last however long you like
[00:15:34] dpeterson3: Alright. I guess we will have to do that. Thanks for the help.
[00:15:44] sphery: good luck
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[00:22:30] wagnerrp: stuartm, sphery: were using a uint64 for the free space, and were casting the long long (int64) to a size_t for the comparison
[00:22:43] wagnerrp: i dont know off hand if size_t is 32-bit or 64-bit, which would directly cause the issue
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[00:23:11] wagnerrp: or perhaps there is something odd with the handling of signed versus unsigned that causes problems with the comparison
[00:23:42] wagnerrp: but whatever the case, the comparison is failing when the amount of freespace crosses the 8GB (2**34) boundary
[00:24:18] wagnerrp: wizbit: WTF is a "chip 2.0"?
[00:24:43] wagnerrp: oh, 2GHz
[00:24:45] wagnerrp: nevermind
[00:29:44] wagnerrp: sphery, stuartm: looking at our current code, were still using longlongs for the free space, and were still using the same cast and comparison to check if we should be expiring
[00:30:27] wagnerrp: so as it appears, we should still be suffering the same problem in regards to 32-bit and/or [un]signed issues in the autoexpirer
[00:31:05] wagnerrp: of course this only applies to users with a very large amount of free space on a single partition
[00:31:38] wagnerrp: meaning people who record to an array, or depending on the particular issue, people with primarily empty 2.5 and 3TB hard drives
[00:34:04] sphery: wagnerrp: size_t on 32-bit Linux would have SIZE_MAX of 2^32 (4GiB when representing bytes...)
[00:34:14] sphery: not sure where 2^34 would come into play
[00:35:25] sphery: anyway, did the guy ever post logs?
[00:35:36] sphery: (did I ever actually send the e-mail asking for them?)
[00:35:41] wagnerrp: yes, you looked at them, the dropbox link
[00:35:54] sphery: this is the guy from the list?
[00:36:03] sphery: same guy?
[00:36:03] wagnerrp: i dont know if its the same guy as was on the list
[00:36:13] wagnerrp: actually, i very much doubt it
[00:36:25] sphery: 2012-01–24 06:29:32.076 fsID #1: Total: 11002.7 GB Used: 2801.5 GB Free: 8201.2 GB
[00:36:31] wagnerrp: size_t would be an uint32_t?
[00:37:11] sphery: according to /usr/include/stdint.h
[00:37:31] sphery: or at least it represents up to 2^32 as max
[00:38:10] wagnerrp: well then its actually behaving backwards, isnt it?
[00:38:17] sphery: so, it seems we're ok at representing >11TB total and > 8TB free, at least
[00:38:28] sphery: now comparisons might be messed up
[00:38:36] wagnerrp: below 8TB, it should be a large value
[00:38:39] wagnerrp: while above, it would all be 0s
[00:39:13] wagnerrp: since at 8TB, it should roll over into another bit, and flip the rest all back to 0
[00:39:20] sphery: 2012-01–24 06:43:18.861 Cardid 2: max bitrate 21679 Kb/sec, fsID 1 max is now 162597 KB/min
[00:39:28] wagnerrp: so when cast to a 32-bit, it would be freespace-8TB, effectively
[00:39:57] wagnerrp: or, freespace%2**32
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[00:40:11] sphery: seems to indicate he has about 6 tuners in use (assuming there's some extra space for each or 8 if not)
[00:40:24] sphery: where is the code you're looking at
[00:40:28] sphery: what lines are the comparison
[00:40:38] sphery: without seeing it I have no idea what's going on
[00:41:18] sphery: it's quite possible that we still have size issues in that code because I dont think anyone has used such large file systems since they're actually a bad idea with current mythtv
[00:41:20] wagnerrp: https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . ire.cpp#L493
[00:41:29] sphery: (well, not an ideal approach, at least)
[00:42:15] wagnerrp: sphery: actually, ZFS with an L2ARC would work wonders, recording to a single massive filesystem
[00:42:28] wagnerrp: of course it would work wonders recording to multiple independent filesystems too...
[00:42:28] wagnerrp: :)
[00:42:58] wagnerrp: you could even stuff your database on the same array if you so desired
[00:42:59] sphery: 2012-01–24 07:25:26.982 fsID #1: Total: 11002.7 GB Used: 2807.9 GB Free: 8194.8 GB
[00:43:02] sphery: 2012-01–24 07:25:26.998 Not Enough Free Space! We want 3988 MB
[00:43:06] sphery: yeah, so we're definitely broken on comparison there
[00:43:16] sphery: as 8194.8GB > 3988MB
[00:43:33] sphery: we shouldn't be using size_t for any of it
[00:43:49] sphery: size_t is for memory things (and, therefore, tied to arch)
[00:43:57] sphery: we should use uint_64t
[00:44:07] sphery: (and really long long should be changed to uint_64t)
[00:44:08] wagnerrp: (L2ARC fills the same purpose of battery-backed RAM, youre writing to a non-volatile cache of whatever size SSD you feed it)
[00:44:25] sphery: oh, speaking of which, did you see that Dell is going MRAM, instead, for their arrays
[00:44:34] sphery: http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2012/01/23/dell_lsi_mram/
[00:44:35] wagnerrp: any real problem with long long? or just type consistency across architectures?
[00:44:41] sphery: right, consistency
[00:44:55] sphery: long long isn't guaranteed to be any particular size--just longer than long :)
[00:44:55] wagnerrp: someone actually got mram up to production grade?
[00:45:10] wagnerrp: si this mram? or that memrister stuff?
[00:45:12] sphery: guess so--or if not, we'll find out soon enough :)
[00:45:17] sphery: mram, here
[00:45:32] sphery: LSI RAID controller cards
[00:45:37] wagnerrp: is there really a difference?
[00:45:39] sphery: HP is the memrister one
[00:46:03] sphery: I think mram now fits into the "edited" definition of memrister
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[00:46:15] sphery: but not sure
[00:46:52] sphery: njustinc1: so, wagnerrp found that we do have a problem in there (and helped me remember which problem I was supposed to be looking at in your logs :)
[00:47:19] wagnerrp: sphery: so do we do fixes for both 0.25 and previous?
[00:47:20] sphery: wagnerrp: you planning on doing some type conversions or want someone else to?
[00:47:28] sphery: I think this warrants a backport
[00:47:29] wagnerrp: since the underlying code is completely different in 0.25
[00:47:37] wagnerrp: well, no it doesnt
[00:47:39] sphery: autoexpire changed that much?
[00:47:52] wagnerrp: it warrents independent fixes
[00:47:53] wagnerrp: thats what im getting at
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[00:48:11] sphery: I don't remember any changes to autoexpire code
[00:48:36] wagnerrp: the autoexpire code... no
[00:48:46] wagnerrp: but FileSystemInfo is completely different
[00:49:00] sphery: oh, changed with mythmediaserver or something?
[00:49:00] wagnerrp: the old FSI was just a dumb container class
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[00:49:22] wagnerrp: yeah
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[00:49:38] sphery: ah, yeah, https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/65e877ae9c
[00:49:54] rmsbl: i'm running at 99% of capacity... is there any way to actually delete recordings?
[00:49:55] sphery: which is cool--you've likely done some of the work toward my TODO of making MythTV "do the right thing" with files
[00:50:31] wagnerrp: rmsbl: when you tell mythtv to delete a recording, mythtv will delete the recording
[00:50:39] sphery: (meaning know which file systems are local and remote to which hosts and how to best retrieve a file)
[00:50:41] wagnerrp: unless you tell it to otherwise just move the recording to the 'Deleted' group
[00:50:50] rmsbl: yes, but very, very slowly...
[00:51:03] rmsbl: and i'm downloading other things and running out of space
[00:51:06] sphery: only slowly if you enable slow deletes
[00:51:07] wagnerrp: at which point it gets deleted whenever the auto-expirer decides it needs to free up space
[00:51:23] wagnerrp: rmsbl: no, when you delete something, it deletes it immediately, unless you have that slow deletes enabled
[00:51:36] rmsbl: ahh, okay
[00:51:36] wagnerrp: which slowly truncates it to get around performance issues in ext3
[00:51:38] sphery: though it's quite possible your distro--and not you--enabled slow deletes
[00:51:40] rmsbl: so mythtv-setup
[00:51:44] sphery: mythtv-setup
[00:51:50] sphery: Delete file slowly in General
[00:52:15] sphery: and note that MythTV doesn't support "keeping up" with other apps/users using the file system
[00:52:16] wagnerrp: by default, the auto-expirer runs every 15 minutes, requiring 10GB of free space
[00:52:16] wagnerrp: (or is it 1GB?)
[00:52:25] sphery: it's really designed to have exclusive access to the file system
[00:52:42] sphery: default is either 0GB or 1GB
[00:52:48] wagnerrp: so unless youre filling the filesystem at a sustained rate higher than 750MB/min
[00:52:53] wagnerrp: the auto-expirer should maintain pace
[00:52:57] sphery: and the 15min is actually "at least every 15 min"
[00:53:10] wagnerrp: ... unless you have slow deletes enabled, at which point it will not
[00:53:31] sphery: yeah, default for Extra disk space (GB) is 1GB
[00:53:43] sphery: (technically 1GiB, but I know I can't win that argument)
[00:53:53] ** sphery should make a translation that does proper units **
[00:53:55] wagnerrp: sphery: do you know what kind of quantity theyre putting in these things?
[00:54:05] sphery: of mram?
[00:54:09] wagnerrp: i mean its still memory, you just dont need a battery
[00:54:30] sphery: yeah, I'd actually think the battery and electronics would be significantly cheaper than lots of mram
[00:54:46] wagnerrp: as opposed to the ZFS stuff which is designed to use 32–128GB of SLC flash
[00:55:14] rmsbl: so, i disabled "delete files slowly" ... i should wait 15 minutes to see changes?
[00:55:15] wagnerrp: 32GB of flash opens up a lot more interesting possibilities than 2GB of mram
[00:55:46] sphery: oh, didn't mention after you explained about the differences in FileSystemInfo, but I think it's acceptable to go either way--either fix 0.24-fixes or just say that 0.25 will add support for arrays > 8TB (or whatever)
[00:55:46] wagnerrp: is your backend currently running? or did you let mythtv-setup terminate it? or did a wrapper script around mythtv-setup terminate it for you?
[00:56:02] rmsbl: i didn't terminate it
[00:56:05] sphery: but does it have to be Salt Lake City flash?
[00:56:08] sphery: ;)
[00:56:19] wagnerrp: they you may need to issue a settings flush
[00:56:26] sphery: rmsbl: for that you probably need to restart mythbackend
[00:56:29] wagnerrp: i dont know if mythtv-setup will do that on its own
[00:56:33] rmsbl: okay, thanks
[00:56:33] wagnerrp: there is a command line option for mythbackend for that
[00:56:42] rmsbl: which is?
[00:56:43] sphery: it does, but still the autoexpirer is already set up
[00:56:50] sphery: no need for the command
[00:56:54] rmsbl: okay
[00:56:56] sphery: mythtv-setup already sent out a clear cache command
[00:57:02] sphery: but you probably need to restart mythbackend, anyway
[00:57:03] wagnerrp: sphery: single level... i.e. hundreds of thousands of write cycles, as opposed to ~5–10k
[00:57:49] rmsbl: ahh, it worked!
[00:57:50] wagnerrp: if youre not recording anything, there wont be any harm to it anyway
[00:57:52] sphery: yeah, SLC is basically "hardware" flash where MLC is like our virtual tuners--using tricks to make less flash seem like more
[00:57:54] rmsbl: thanks, wagnerrp
[00:58:30] wagnerrp: sphery: no, MLC means you can store multiple bits per cell, by using multiple voltage levels
[00:58:30] wagnerrp: usually 4 instead of 2
[00:58:34] wagnerrp: sometimes up to 8
[00:58:45] wagnerrp: but more voltage levels means more susceptible to degredation
[00:59:02] sphery: right
[00:59:06] sphery: tricks
[00:59:19] wagnerrp: and you get an order of magnitude less flashes before you are unable to safely distinguish between the multiple states
[00:59:33] sphery: ah, didn't realize it affected longevity
[00:59:35] sphery: interesting
[01:00:09] sphery: so was looking to see if I could find it, but can't
[01:00:21] sphery: thought we had a ticket about long long -> uint_64t, but seems we don't
[01:00:29] rmsbl: another quesiton... which filesystem do you use? ext4?
[01:00:32] sphery: was probably just discussion on #mythtv
[01:00:48] sphery: rmsbl: I use ext3
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[01:00:57] rmsbl: more stable?
[01:01:06] sphery: but not because it's the best choice for mythtv, but because it's the one I've grown to trust
[01:01:08] wagnerrp: well say your cell operates at 1V, but each flash diminishes its capability by say 2uV
[01:01:40] wagnerrp: on SLC flash, anything above 0.1V charge is a positive, so youve got a couple hundred thousand flash cycles before you can no longer read the correct value
[01:02:38] wagnerrp: on MLC flash, the 0b11 pattern may be anything above 0.8V, so youve only got a few tens of thousands of flashes before you risk data corruption
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[01:03:34] wagnerrp: sphery: although i would expect its more of a logarithmic curve, so you would lose that first 0.2V much faster than the last 0.1V
[01:04:12] wagnerrp: rmsbl: are you using ext3? or something else?
[01:04:22] wagnerrp: if youre using ext3, you really need to use that slow deletes
[01:05:01] wagnerrp: and that also means if you delete any large files on that drive independently of mythtv, you can disrupt any recordings or other operations currently using that drive
[01:05:25] rmsbl: ext4
[01:05:26] wagnerrp: and by disrupt, i mean all IO blocks for tens of seconds or more
[01:05:33] rmsbl: wagnerrp: ext4
[01:05:50] wagnerrp: ext4 does not suffer the same issue
[01:06:06] sphery: actually, fwiw, modern ext3 isn't nearly as bad as most think
[01:06:13] sphery: I can delete 10GB files in <1s
[01:06:25] wagnerrp: most of those issues have been resolved?
[01:06:32] sphery: seemingly
[01:06:44] sphery: though some files take much longer to delete... haven't figured out details
[01:07:02] wagnerrp: probably has to do with fragmentation
[01:07:10] sphery: oh, and thanks for the background on mlc/slc--I've seen the terms and knew the general idea, but never really looked into any details
[01:07:54] sphery: that will serve me well when I have to buy my 12TB of MythTV storage on SSDs because people decided that spinning things are bad
[01:08:11] wagnerrp: thats why MLC drives are much cheaper and larger, but SLC drives are pretty much the only thing used for enterprise applications
[01:09:01] wagnerrp: MLC is only worth using if youre not writing high volumes of data
[01:09:14] wagnerrp: but you could potentially burn one out in a month of heavy usage
[01:09:24] sphery: yeah
[01:09:49] wagnerrp: while the much more expensive SLC might last a year or more
[01:10:00] sphery: I just bought an SSD for an acquaintance whose system I got to fix (dropped the system and borked the HDD)
[01:10:01] wagnerrp: 3–6x the price, but so much more livetime
[01:10:01] wagnerrp: lifetime
[01:10:29] sphery: his son-in-law told me to go with SSD and told me which one to get... now I have to see if it's mlc or slc
[01:10:46] sphery: I'm guessing mlc
[01:10:54] wagnerrp: its MLC
[01:11:10] wagnerrp: i guarantee you its MLC
[01:11:19] sphery: yep
[01:11:36] sphery: and windows won't eat that up when using it as a c:
[01:11:37] wagnerrp: i.e. OCZ doesnt use anything but MLC
[01:11:47] sphery: this is a patriot
[01:11:51] sphery: torqx 2
[01:13:09] rmsbl: anyone here use sl/centous? atrpms' mythtv package is not very stable for me
[01:13:13] rmsbl: crashes a lot
[01:14:10] wagnerrp: sphery: for example.. 32GB ridata for $100, 20GB intel for $120, 200GB seagate for $3600
[01:14:28] sphery: wow, yeah, definitely outside of the price range I was looking at
[01:14:49] wagnerrp: while MLC parts are nearing, and sometimes under, $1/GB
[01:15:50] wagnerrp: state of the union tonight?
[01:16:02] wagnerrp: i guess that would explain why ive have nothing scheduled to record
[01:16:04] sphery: yeah, the one I got was just over $1/GB
[01:16:21] sphery: and, yeah, state of the onion
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[01:25:58] sphery: wagnerrp: so I did remember to ask the guy on the list for logs... http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/499861#499861
[01:26:52] skd5aner: yay, my receiver won't allow me to use an optical input when using an HDMI source :/
[01:27:12] ** skd5aner has to now go figure out how to do audio over HDMI with ALSA **
[01:27:30] wagnerrp: what graphics chip?
[01:27:51] skd5aner: gt240
[01:29:00] wagnerrp: well if you really dont want to use HDMI audio (not sure why you wouldnt), theres a page on the wiki thet describes giving a modified EDID block that strips out the audio capabilities
[01:29:08] wagnerrp: it could be that your card is telling your receiver that it is sending audio over HDMI
[01:29:08] wagnerrp: which is preventing it from otherwise pulling from another source
[01:29:39] skd5aner: wagnerrp: well – habit first off (been using spdif since ~2004ish)
[01:29:57] skd5aner: wagnerrp: and 2, I haven't been using HDMI at all until recently – was using VGA
[01:30:59] skd5aner: long story, but my plasma is a Pioneer Elite 720p model from ~2007 – the HDMI ports don't support the native resolution, so everything is scalled
[01:31:31] wagnerrp: everything is scaled anyway
[01:31:32] skd5aner: anyway – just rewired the house and moved the TV, so I decided to leverage the cables I ran through the walls – in this case, HDMI is just the easiest, so now I need to make the transition
[01:31:59] skd5aner: true, but I can only seem to send it a 1080i signal via HDMI
[01:33:52] skd5aner: time to go experiment
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[01:34:33] wagnerrp: a lot of 720p tvs only accept a 1080i signal
[01:37:49] rmsbl: anyone here have two hd-pvrs?
[01:38:38] wagnerrp: rmsbl: better to sell them, return the cable boxes, and get a cablecard tuner
[01:38:55] wagnerrp: maybe keep one of both if you want to record premium channels
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[01:39:43] skd5aner: wagnerrp: any idea which device I should select in the audio settings – a lot of them pick up 7.1
[01:40:21] wagnerrp: one of them mapped to your nvidia card
[01:40:35] rmsbl: wait... there are cablecard pc cards that run on linux?
[01:40:57] sphery: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable
[01:41:02] sphery: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_ . . . leCard_Tuner
[01:41:03] wagnerrp: rmsbl: more or less... theyre actually all network-attached devices
[01:41:07] sphery: note the "copy freely" qualifications
[01:41:15] wagnerrp: and mythtv is allowed to record the 'copy freely' content using them
[01:41:21] wagnerrp: which with your verizon, means everything but the premiums
[01:41:31] rmsbl: hmm
[01:41:40] sphery: at least, today :)
[01:41:46] rmsbl: is this that 5c thing i heard so much about?
[01:42:03] sphery: no, it's just a flag
[01:42:18] Seeker`: skd5aner: my 430 is something like hdmi:CARD=Nvidia_1,DEV=3
[01:42:20] sphery: 5c is what you have to implement to be able to use content not flagged copy freely
[01:42:22] wagnerrp: its similar, but 5C is specifically something firewire boxes enforce when they detect the copy protection flags
[01:42:32] wagnerrp: (over firewire)
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[01:42:51] Seeker`: skd5aner: ALSA:hdmi:CARD=NVidia_1,DEV=3
[01:43:06] Seeker`: not sure why it is 3 though
[01:43:22] sphery: because that's how it's wired on your card :)
[01:43:26] wagnerrp: i think its always 3
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[01:43:39] wagnerrp: its 3 on my onboard 8200
[01:43:58] Seeker`: sphery: well, yes :P I'm wondering why the main output isn't 0 though :P
[01:44:01] sphery: likely 3 on most since few cards diverge much from reference designes
[01:50:52] skd5aner: no dice
[01:50:54] skd5aner: grrr
[01:53:58] skd5aner: do I need something in my asound.conf file?
[01:54:13] wagnerrp: you shouldnt
[01:57:08] skd5aner: here's my aplay -L
[01:57:19] wagnerrp: ugh... why would _anyone_ run an opteron with 8GB of memory on a 32-bit kernel
[01:57:43] wagnerrp: if you can use the memory natively, why wouldnt you?
[01:58:07] skd5aner: what OS?
[01:58:32] wagnerrp: they should have left PAE out of the x86–64 spec, to prevent people from doing such foolish things
[01:58:38] wagnerrp: mythbuntu 11.10
[02:01:57] sphery: hehe #10283 fixes an issue that I fixed almost a year ago as part of a patch I did
[02:02:15] sphery: haven't committed it, yet, because change is evil
[02:02:57] skd5aner: is there a differnce in HDMI audio out between the 220/240 cards an the 4xx series cards?
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[02:05:13] wagnerrp: yes, the 4xx series generally support bitstreaming of compressed HD audio formats
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[02:05:42] wagnerrp: the 2xx cards usually only support AC3/DTS and multi-channel LPCM
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[02:07:23] skd5aner: speaker-test -c 2 -r 48000 -D hdmi:1,1 – ah ha! success!
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[02:35:21] jams: Beirdo- by any chance do you still have script that was used to convert most of the logging code from VERBOSE to the new stuff?
[02:35:46] iamlindoro: thought all that was done manually
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[02:36:18] jams: it may have been, sorta remembered he had a script or maybe he just talked about it
[02:47:02] sphery: we really need to remove Live TV support from MythTV
[02:47:14] sphery: either that or convince someone to actually fix it
[02:47:45] sphery: jams: I think he did it manually
[02:48:17] sphery: since he had to decide what log level to use for each
[02:48:58] wagnerrp: and VB_IMPORTANT no longer exists
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[02:50:11] sphery: yeah, so that basically became LOG_INFO with VB_<whatever was actually appropriate>
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[03:14:33] Beirdo: jams: the script was me... Whazzup?
[03:15:00] sphery: #!Beirdo
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[03:15:53] wagnerrp: awesome!
[03:16:02] jams: Beirdo- nothing major. Was just updating my app, and looking to save myself a bit of work.
[03:16:02] ** wagnerrp wonders where he can install that shell **
[03:16:11] Beirdo: the closest thing to a script woulda been the ggvi one
[03:16:23] Beirdo: git grep $1 -> vi
[03:16:27] Beirdo: basically
[03:16:30] jams: heh
[03:16:36] wagnerrp: jams: app using the same logging libraries?
[03:16:41] sphery: I used a Beirdo-script to actually write all the logging code, too
[03:16:44] jams: wagnerrp- yep
[03:17:15] Beirdo: heheh
[03:17:50] jams: Beirdo- using KATE for that. There are not alot of them, but enough to at least ask the question :)
[03:18:06] jams: wagnerrp- it's also using the same commandlineparser stuff
[03:18:23] jams: those two combined has made this update more work then usual
[03:18:34] wagnerrp: let me know if you have any questions about that one
[03:18:42] Beirdo: hehe
[03:18:49] Beirdo: big changes tend to do that
[03:19:06] jams: i let it lapse, my own fault
[03:19:06] wagnerrp: especially when they havent changed for years
[03:19:28] wagnerrp: of course... its not like the old command line parser really did much
[03:19:43] jams: wagnerrp- might have a few, for now it's working. But I have yet to convert everything
[03:20:12] skd5aner: hmmm, when I run an AC3 5.1 test video in mythtv, it says my left channel is my left rear channel (I don't have the rears hooked up right now) – but speaker test says it's correct
[03:20:34] Beirdo: now for a fun script
[03:20:51] wagnerrp: funky... someone was complaining about that in mythtvtalk last week
[03:20:54] Beirdo: login to about 300 servers in a row... pull config from each
[03:21:09] Beirdo: then normalize configs
[03:21:17] skd5aner: wagnerrp: the stuff I was talking about?
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[03:21:40] wagnerrp: yes, frontend and rears mixed up
[03:21:46] skd5aner: hmmm
[03:22:15] wagnerrp: i figured he just screwed up something, perhaps physically
[03:22:23] sphery: I've seen the complaint several times
[03:22:27] sphery: no clue what the fix was
[03:22:27] wagnerrp: so i told him to run the audio test in the setup menu
[03:22:27] wagnerrp: never heard back
[03:22:35] sphery: (or if they ever found the fix)
[03:22:51] skd5aner: there's a test in the setup menu?
[03:22:57] skd5aner: (in 0.24?)
[03:23:28] wagnerrp: you just said you used it
[03:23:39] wagnerrp: maybe thats only in 0.25
[03:23:53] wagnerrp: or did you actually mean the 'speaker-test' command line app
[03:24:00] skd5aner: now – I ran the CLI – speaker-test
[03:24:05] skd5aner: s/now/no
[03:24:29] skd5aner: speaker-test -c 6 -r 48000 -D hdmi:1,1 – left right and center play fine there
[03:24:38] wagnerrp: been so long since a release, gets easy to mix features
[03:24:42] skd5aner: yea
[03:31:41] skd5aner: trying to find another channel testing clip to verify
[03:32:10] wagnerrp: cant you use the test clips inside the frontend setup wizard?
[03:32:28] skd5aner: NOT... IN... 0.24
[03:32:35] skd5aner: (ttbomk)
[03:32:56] wagnerrp: man, what are you still doing on 0.24?
[03:32:56] wagnerrp: :)
[03:33:35] skd5aner: what are you still doing developing the yet-to-be 0.25 ;)
[03:37:39] jams: well it compiles now..thats a plus. Just need to hunt down what happened to HostImageSelect
[03:38:31] wagnerrp: not anything i touched
[03:38:50] jams: i'm betting stuartm :)
[03:40:18] skd5aner: OK... my first test was cutting off the first second or 2... so, the front left speaker DOES work as the front left
[03:40:22] skd5aner: HOWEVER...
[03:40:34] skd5aner: it also responds as the rear-left too :S
[03:40:50] jams: skd5aner- intel hdaudio ?
[03:40:56] wagnerrp: yeah, that will happen if its upmixing
[03:40:57] skd5aner: no, nvidia HDMI
[03:41:13] skd5aner: wagnerrp: ttbomk, I didn't turn on upmixing, but let me go check
[03:43:10] skd5aner: The "Upmix Quality" setting is set to "Best", but the "Upconvert stereo to 5.1" is not checked
[03:43:52] skd5aner: I'll hook up all the speakers in a week or so – lets see what happens then
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[06:13:03] sphery: I'm sure someone is going to make a comment about my blasting the Atom, now.
[06:14:30] ** wagnerrp goes and checks 'the hot lists' **
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[06:23:12] jya: how does the DLNA stuff works ?
[06:23:28] jya: I tried last night with a few DLNA app on my iPad
[06:23:38] jya: it shows by default 3 folders: recording, videos and music
[06:23:52] jya: however, videos contains mostly the stuff that is in music
[06:24:10] jya: those are two very different folder
[06:26:15] tank-man: how does your DLNA app on your ipad work?
[06:30:10] wagnerrp: jya: is this 0.24 or 0.25?
[06:30:16] jya: 0.24
[06:30:52] jya: tank-man: I start it, it sees my MythTV server, and I can browse it, is also see my Windows 7 Home running in VMWare
[06:31:09] wagnerrp: in 0.24, the upnp server builds its own video lists based off the old local folder definitions
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[06:31:18] wagnerrp: so whatever VideoStartupDir is for that host
[06:31:37] jya: wagnerrp: could it be related to the use of storage group?
[06:31:43] jya: ah … exactly what I was thinking
[06:31:49] jya: now I need to know what that value is !
[06:31:54] jya: where is it defined ?
[06:32:08] wagnerrp: database, settings table
[06:32:38] wagnerrp: or from the media library settings in mythvideo in mythfrontend, when running on that host
[06:34:09] jya: ok.
[06:34:09] jya: let me try and modify that value
[06:34:09] jya: will I have to restart mythbackend?
[06:34:50] wagnerrp: dont know off hand if a settings cache flush will take care of it
[06:39:47] jya: is that the "Directory that holds video" settings in Media -> Videos Settings -> General Video Settings ?
[06:40:21] wagnerrp: something like that
[06:40:40] jya: because right now I have nothing in there
[06:40:49] wagnerrp: in 0.25, that has all been migrated over to storage groups
[06:41:02] jya: I remember that if I added something there, I would get two lot of videos folder in mythvideo
[06:41:18] jya: well, maybe time to move to trunk then
[06:41:36] wagnerrp: if you have a folder there matching one specified in the Videos storage group
[06:41:40] wagnerrp: mythvideo should simply ignore it when you perform a scan
[06:43:26] jya: ok… let's try again.. brb
[06:47:48] jya: allright, let's restart mythbackend
[06:47:50] jya: just in case
[06:50:46] jya: ahh, that's better
[06:52:03] jya: interesting, recordings shows up in the DLNA client with an image, while none of the videos in the RootView do
[06:52:44] wagnerrp: likely due to partial and inconsistent use of the protocol's capabilities
[06:55:09] jya: how well, I see all my videos now, and I can play the mp4 one on the ipad
[06:55:12] jya: was just curious
[06:55:16] jya: I use AirVideo anyway
[06:55:41] wagnerrp: did you see mark's recent work in regards to that?
[06:56:14] wagnerrp: i seem to recall you being interested in that about a year and a half back, but unable to do anything about it due to NDAs
[06:59:35] jya: yes, the AirPlay feature
[06:59:47] jya: but Mark's airplay is the other way round
[06:59:55] jya: play your iPad content on the mythfrontend
[07:00:13] wagnerrp: oh, youre talking about using it to push content to the ipad
[07:00:32] jya: Waht I want to do is the other way round
[07:00:40] jya: play on the iPad my myth content
[07:00:51] jya: which I do today with an application called AirVideo
[07:01:20] jya: you run a daemon on the server, which will convert on the fly the video so it can be played on the iPad/iPhone using the application
[07:01:24] jya: works very nicely
[07:01:24] wagnerrp: i assume that does transcoding?
[07:01:28] jya: it does
[07:01:33] jya: it starts ffmpeg
[07:01:59] jya: you can also from the iPad start offline transcoding that will be added to your iTunes library automatically
[07:02:19] jya: keen to see what iamlindoro app will be doing...
[07:06:15] wagnerrp: uses some on-the-fly transcoding interface written by capt'm
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[10:29:32] jarle: Looks like I need to get myself a new remote for my frontend. Any suggestions? It needs to use bluetooth, and have keyboard functionality (Today I use a standard bluetooth keyboard)
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[10:30:13] russell5: i have the dinovo mini pretty good
[10:30:23] smoothifier: I tested my memory overnight. 812 errors and climbing. 20 more errors in five minutes!
[10:33:43] jarle: russell5: It would be even better if it came with a charging-station, instead of normal batteries...
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[10:36:47] jarle: russell5: today I have a Logitech diNovo Edge, full size keyboard. However there seems to be a flaky soldering or something inside, as it is a bit unstable and refuses to charge sometimes. Google tells me I am not the only one to experience this.
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[10:41:32] russell5: its got a rechargeable battery and a plug for it. not really a dock though
[10:46:40] jarle: russell5: so no need to remove the batteries to charge it? good.
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[10:50:57] russell5: exactly. it works pretty good. it is kinda expensive for a keyboard but its pretty small and it has a mouse build in.
[10:56:32] jarle: russell5: you use the clickpad to navigate in mythtv? left/right/up/down?
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[11:01:55] russell5: yup and theres a switch to make it work like a mouse instead
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[11:52:17] fabefour: hello i am using mythtv 0.24.1 and tried to delete recordings but it is not working. when i click on delete and confirm with ok simply nothing happens. has maybe anyone an idea how to help?
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[12:01:12] jarle: fabefour: have a look in /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log
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[12:10:06] fabefour: jarle: i did not find something interesting there... no errors
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[22:09:46] rockhound: wagnerrp: just caught the system after a power up again unwilling to retry the connection on its on … mythfrontend is up with the "could not connect to master-backend…" dialog up… here is the mythwelcome.log (which includes log from mythfrontend): http://pastebin.com/1Sxxj8Hy
[22:09:55] rockhound: as you can see, it does not retry even after 2 minutes
[22:12:09] skd5aner: way to go, you broke the 10 hours of silence
[22:12:25] wagnerrp: under default logging, it wont print anything further until it actually reconnects
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[22:22:05] rockhound: skd5aner: crap, sorry ;)
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[22:37:48] sphery: wow, 10hrs of silence... that must be a record
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[23:23:35] wizbit: http://www.osnews.com/story/25540/Why_People_ . . . to_Stop_Them
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