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[00:42:11] k-man: dekarl_zZz, how do you do that to schedule all movies to record? is there some flag on a program that lets mythtv know its a "movie"?
[00:45:16] wagnerrp: power rule, program.category_type = 'movie'
[00:49:04] AndyCap: k-man: does require that your program guide data has the movies actually marked as movies
[00:49:21] k-man: AndyCap, ah, yeah thats the problem
[00:49:29] k-man: I think shepherd does not do that
[00:49:32] wagnerrp: SELECT DISTINCT category_type FROM program;
[00:51:32] wagnerrp: you could record all non-sports 2-hr or longer
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[00:52:44] k-man: yeah – thats not a bad idea
[00:52:51] k-man: I'll have to look into it
[00:54:23] k-man: I probably need to get some more storage before I do that too
[00:54:47] AndyCap: once upon a time movies were 90 minutes. :P
[00:54:59] k-man: recently i've been finding the time between hitting play on a recording and the recording showing up to be very long
[00:55:18] k-man: I mean when watching recordings that is
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[00:59:13] wagnerrp: k-man: this might work... http://pastebin.com/cyJPzsF7
[01:00:23] wagnerrp: might also be of use to see the response from this.... SELECT DISTINCT category FROM program WHERE program.endtime >= (program.starttime + INTERVAL 2 HOUR) ORDER BY category;
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[01:18:40] k-man: wagnerrp, thats a good query – used the thing you pasted to get a list of show names to get an idea of what it returns
[01:18:49] k-man: its interesting
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[01:23:37] jya: i am
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[01:28:18] k-man: wagnerrp, would endtime-starttime be the length of the show in seconds?
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[01:34:14] wagnerrp: k-man: no, theyre mysql datetime objects
[01:34:17] mangus580: gotta love mythmote :-D
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[01:42:36] k-man: wagnerrp, yeah, I worked that out – are you sure you can do WHERE program.endtime >= (program.starttime + INTERVAL 2 HOUR) I suspect you need to use dateadd rather than +?
[01:43:27] wagnerrp: the INTERVAL is special syntax
[01:43:27] wagnerrp: i tried it, it works
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[02:31:03] k-man: ok, thanks
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[02:37:03] helptranscode: Hello, I'm back with a different problem with the transcode_stub.py
[02:37:24] helptranscode: I can run it from the command line on the master backend with no problem, it works perfectly that way
[02:37:42] helptranscode: If I try to run it through mythweb, the job never completes, and never transcodes
[02:38:01] k-man: helptranscode, what user do you run it as from the cli?
[02:38:24] helptranscode: To test I ran it as the mythtv user
[02:38:28] helptranscode: with the following command
[02:38:39] helptranscode: pkexec --user mythtv x264trans.py --chanid 1472 --starttime 20120122083000
[02:38:52] helptranscode: the transcode_stub.py is x264trans.py
[02:39:05] helptranscode: the recording is 1472_20120122083000
[02:39:06] k-man: and what user does it run as when through mythweb?
[02:39:15] helptranscode: unfortunately I have no idea
[02:39:20] helptranscode: I didnt get that far
[02:39:43] k-man: hmm.. I suspect it could be a user permissions issue – but its just a guess
[02:39:58] k-man: helptranscode, it probably gets run as www-data or whatever your httpd runs as
[02:40:34] helptranscode: hmmm.... but why doesn't the mythweb job end?
[02:40:52] k-man: not sure, as I said its just a guess
[02:40:56] k-man: I could be well off
[02:42:14] wagnerrp: well off
[02:42:31] wagnerrp: mythweb doesnt run anything, it just inserts a job into the jobqueue
[02:42:42] wagnerrp: and whatver jobqueue picks it up runs it
[02:42:57] helptranscode: ok good
[02:43:21] helptranscode: is there a command or a way to kill a currently running job in the jobqueue?
[02:43:25] k-man: ah there you go, sorry for being way off :)
[02:44:39] wagnerrp: 'kill'
[02:45:54] helptranscode: what might the process name be called?
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[02:46:06] helptranscode: im looking in htop and it doesnt seem to be there
[02:46:19] helptranscode: wait, i see it
[02:46:19] wagnerrp: x264trans.py
[02:46:20] helptranscode: thanks
[02:46:23] wagnerrp: or perhaps python
[02:47:37] helptranscode: ok, the process showed up as HandBrakeCLI
[02:47:51] wagnerrp: both should be there
[02:47:57] helptranscode: my current myth user job is x264trans.py %JOBID%
[02:50:43] helptranscode: ack
[02:51:00] helptranscode: i figured it out... x264trans.py was located in /usr/local/bin, not in /usr/bin
[02:51:18] helptranscode: I moved it over and now mythweb can initiate the jobqueue, and it's transcoding as I write this
[02:52:14] wagnerrp: approximately how verbose is handbrakecli?
[02:52:21] wagnerrp: is there any chance of it creating more than 64KB of logs?
[02:52:39] helptranscode: I have to run it from the command line to tell you,
[02:52:44] helptranscode: give me a few min
[02:53:38] k-man: helptranscode, thanks for the tip about htop, i'd not seen that before, its very nice
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[02:57:10] helptranscode: hehe spoke too soon about the mythweb job, looks like it's frozen again. I can tell because the cpu useage is like 5%
[02:57:21] Beirdo: OK, they got it HALF right
[02:57:33] Beirdo: I ordered 40M/20M... I have 40M/5M
[02:57:42] Beirdo: hmm
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[03:09:40] ertyu: thats better than half, you still have upload
[03:10:13] wagnerrp: who cares about download?
[03:10:23] wagnerrp: you cant do fun things in regards to mythtv until you hit around 15M
[03:10:31] wagnerrp: 20M is a nice bit of buffer
[03:12:10] wagnerrp: Beirdo: did they actually derate your service from what you were supposed to get?
[03:12:27] wagnerrp: or is that real world performance versus advertised?
[03:12:28] wagnerrp: "up to 20Mbps"
[03:12:49] Beirdo: That's hard to tell
[03:13:06] Beirdo: they have a 5Mbps option (or did when I ordered)
[03:13:27] Beirdo: I think they buggered the order, but this is still amazingly good
[03:14:09] Beirdo: I'll try calling tomorrow, maybe
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[03:14:30] Beirdo: I'm trying to find how to review the order online, but their online system is half borked a lot
[03:15:00] Beirdo: so the old modem is connected via ethernet so I can pull any funky config from it
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[03:15:14] Beirdo: in doing so, I bridged the two WLAN segments ;)
[03:15:19] Beirdo: oops
[03:15:26] Beirdo: but it's working fine
[03:15:28] wagnerrp: theyre both active still?
[03:15:39] Beirdo: the wireless part, yeah
[03:15:39] [R]: wagnerrp: why you always gotta poopoo on everyones parade when they watn to run myth on crappy underpowered devices?
[03:16:16] Beirdo: I'll reconfigure the wireless bridge in the office, then I can take down the other WLAN
[03:16:34] wagnerrp: [R]: i always poopoo on everyone's parade when they want to run myth on crappy underpowered devices with no hardware playback support
[03:16:40] Beirdo: and reconfigure the nook, the iphone (SIM-less), the eye-fi card...
[03:16:46] helptranscode: wagnerrp, I'm transcoding with HandBrakeCLI and -v for verbose option, when it finishes I'll pastebin it for you to see
[03:16:52] wagnerrp: if we had actually supported them, and they would have even worked in the first place, i would only have recommended against
[03:16:52] wagnerrp: :)
[03:17:27] Beirdo: 40127/5120 Kbps
[03:17:39] Beirdo: always nice to see in the modem's status page :)
[03:17:45] helptranscode: I for one can wait for 0.25 to support crystalHD decoding
[03:17:46] wagnerrp: helptranscode: i dont care to see it
[03:17:52] helptranscode: oh ok
[03:18:15] sphery: considering broadcom doesn't even seem interested in supporting crystalhd, anymore
[03:18:21] wagnerrp: im just raising the concern that in 0.24, the 'System()' call does not buffer the text output
[03:18:24] wagnerrp: it only pulls it out of the pipe once the application has closed
[03:18:55] wagnerrp: meaning if handbrakecli pumps too much logging into the stdout (64KB), it may fill the pipe and block
[03:19:48] helptranscode: HandBrakeCLI does output the %done in increments of like 0.001% while running
[03:21:07] wagnerrp: helptranscode: its very likely that only happens if it detects it is connected to a terminal
[03:21:41] helptranscode: Ok, I didn't realize that
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[03:28:06] helptranscode: still the same thing with ghost jobqueue stuff from mythweb...
[03:29:07] wagnerrp: try it with '--verbose all'
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[03:30:10] helptranscode: wagnerrp please look at this pastebin, i canclled the job from the commandline
[03:30:13] helptranscode: http://pastebin.com/
[03:30:41] helptranscode: http://pastebin.com/sigrBBvW
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[03:32:14] wagnerrp: you terminated handbrakecli from the command line?
[03:32:33] helptranscode: I ran the x264trans.py from the command line, running it as user mythtv
[03:32:48] helptranscode: It appeared to work atfirst, then it appeared to hang
[03:32:59] wagnerrp: how did you cancel it?
[03:33:04] helptranscode: ctrl+c
[03:33:22] wagnerrp: ok, that makes sense
[03:33:38] helptranscode: the terminal output is in that pastebin
[03:33:45] helptranscode: I dont know python
[03:33:57] wagnerrp: it was within some native python module, waiting for handbrakecli to exit
[03:34:01] wagnerrp: the ctrl+c broke the wait
[03:34:26] wagnerrp: and the KeyboardInterrupt exception was unhandled all the way up the stack
[03:34:35] helptranscode: handbrakecli couldn't have been running though, cpu useage waslike 4%
[03:34:36] wagnerrp: so it printed the full backtrace to the terminal and terminated
[03:34:51] helptranscode: rather, it couldn't have been transcoding
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[03:44:35] helptranscode: hmm
[03:51:56] Beirdo: let's kick the buildslave in the nads and make it reconnect
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[05:38:02] davez0r: having a weird issue with mythfrontend: no recordings available, or screen loading
[05:38:22] davez0r: ...yet my recordings show up fine in mythweb
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[05:42:37] davez0r: PlaybackBox Error: SortedList is Empty
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[06:16:49] k-man: is the development branch considered in feature freeze yet?
[06:17:11] wagnerrp: no
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[06:55:09] Beirdo: argh
[06:55:32] Beirdo: my firewall box decided it wanted to drop connection to the vdsl modem
[06:55:39] Beirdo: not impressive
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[07:02:57] ** nutron is impressed **
[07:03:08] nutron: When did your firewall become sentient?
[07:04:48] wagnerrp: it became aware of its own limited existence, entered a state of depression, and retracted from the rest of the world
[07:06:10] ** nutron is becoming depressed simply listening to Depeche Mode **
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[07:10:46] davez0r: anyone ever had corrupt records in the 'recorded' table?
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[07:15:54] Beirdo: OK, finally upgraded OSX too :)
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[07:27:35] nutron: hacker!
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[07:34:09] dekarl_zZz: k-man: as wagn errp pointed out you need "the good guide" ;) I would have expected that shepherd has the movie/series flagging if it can augment with imdb, etc.
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[08:04:07] Beirdo: OK, both subnets are now pre-natted before hitting the VDSL2 modem, which then NATs only that /24
[08:04:20] Beirdo: and... runs Linux
[08:04:37] Beirdo: but severely locked down.
[08:05:50] wagnerrp: your modem runs linux?
[08:06:34] Beirdo: yup
[08:06:41] Beirdo: busybox too
[08:06:50] Beirdo: but almost all the config is hidden somewhere
[08:07:16] Beirdo: so I couldn't find a way to persist a couple more iptables rules
[08:07:46] Beirdo: maybe when they get a firmware upgrade ready, I'll poke around in the new image :)
[08:09:48] Beirdo: http://pastebin.com/70Rgihca
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[08:10:33] Beirdo: Linux version 2.6.21.5 (kuanjung@MSGSW4-server2) (gcc version 4.2.3) #1 Mon Jan 3 11:52:30 CST 2011
[08:11:54] Beirdo: pretty sweet, huh?
[08:12:12] Beirdo: it's all Broadcom stuff, so all the drivers are not open-source
[08:12:25] Beirdo: pretty much, anyways
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[08:32:07] Beirdo: ahh.
[08:32:36] Beirdo: now I have to reprogram... the printer, the iPhone, the nook...
[08:32:55] Beirdo: stupid wireless :)
[08:33:47] Froolap: I blame it on the soup. Stupid soup.
[08:34:02] Beirdo: at least the new passphrase is shorter
[08:35:21] Beirdo: if only I remembered HOW to configure the printer. hehe
[08:35:43] Beirdo: I bet I have to hook it to the Windoze box again
[08:36:05] Froolap: telnet into it.
[08:36:32] Beirdo: over a wireless network that no longer exists.. yah, that will work.
[08:37:42] Froolap: *I* would just power cycle the printer and see if dhcp fixes things. else it's just pointing the ip of the printer on the local machine to point to the printer's host.
[08:38:36] wagnerrp: yyou have a.... wireless... printer?
[08:39:17] Froolap: I have a network printer on a wireless net.  :)
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[08:39:49] Froolap: It's connected to a NAS device.
[08:40:09] ** wagnerrp boos **
[08:40:11] Beirdo: wagnerrp: yeah, it's an HP laser printer with builtin wireless
[08:40:29] ** wagnerrp boos at any static device that is not hardwired **
[08:41:11] Beirdo: HP LaserJet Professional P1102w
[08:41:24] Beirdo: I don't really want it hardwired
[08:41:30] wagnerrp: that sounds similar
[08:41:45] Beirdo: hmmm
[08:41:46] wagnerrp: i think ive got a 1120 or something
[08:41:49] Froolap: wagnerrp: That's easy for you to say, however there are exceptions. I'm disabled and can't be running wires, and don't want cables I'll trip on.  :P
[08:42:03] Beirdo: actually, it IS hardwired... to the wireless bridge
[08:42:06] wagnerrp: 1212
[08:42:07] Beirdo: never mind :)
[08:42:15] Beirdo: I coulda done it either way
[08:42:15] wagnerrp: or 1210, one of those
[08:42:43] Beirdo: or not.
[08:42:47] Beirdo: "printer offline"
[08:42:49] Beirdo: heh
[08:42:54] Beirdo: OK, let's fix it
[08:43:49] Froolap: if it's connected directly to the router, then you should be able to log into the router to verify connection / ping the printer. and a power cycle on the printer should refresh the dhcp pool.
[08:44:57] Froolap: *I* make use of dhcp even though every machine on my lan has a static ip. I just set so that the lease will never expire.
[08:45:21] wagnerrp: unless your router resets
[08:45:40] wagnerrp: you cant define static addresses per MAC in your DHCP server?
[08:46:14] Froolap: my router won't do that. I have it on ups and I removed the reset button and saved the config to a file so I just re-upload the config. done deal.
[08:46:58] Froolap: Yes, that's exactly what I've done, assign the ip to mac and set to never expire.
[08:48:00] Froolap: so if I ever decide to swing the router to a new net segment, everything else will just flow through.
[08:48:59] Froolap: and yes i'm running dual routers so I have an internet zone and a lan zone.
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[08:50:06] slacker-: Hi
[08:51:42] Froolap: actually I do have a third router just to annoy the neighborhood. It's unsecured and unencrypted wireless, but it connects to nothing, just to see how many people try to connect to it.
[08:52:17] Beirdo: K, that's done
[08:52:24] Froolap: cool
[08:52:45] wagnerrp: Froolap: well thats no fun...
[08:52:55] wagnerrp: youre supposed to slowly turn all the images fuzzy
[08:52:56] wagnerrp: or invert them
[08:53:02] Beirdo: anyways, time to hit the sack, I think
[08:53:05] Froolap: it's no fun for the evil hackers who think they can get a free ride.
[08:53:11] Beirdo: or replace them with nasty onews
[08:53:18] wagnerrp: or after a set number of minutes, replace them all with scaled goatse
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[08:55:19] slacker-: I just migrated my database to a mythbuntu machine. I haven't had mythmusic installed before so now it's telling me that it wants to update the scheme. Unfortunately, that fails with a DB error: ALTER TABLE musicmetadata ADD mythdigest VARCHAR(255); Error was Driver error was [2/1060]; Duplicate column name mythdigest
[08:55:39] Froolap: I just set lease to expire in 2 minutes for all connects, so just about the time they figure they got something they get disconnected and have to reconnect to try to explore the network.
[08:55:43] clever: wagnerrp: ever heard of air-pwn?
[08:56:25] wagnerrp: cant say that i have
[08:56:26] clever: wagnerrp: it does the same thing without needing control of the AP, it listens in on open connections, and injects a fake reply before the website has a chance to give a real one
[08:57:07] clever: so you can do the same image replacement trickery on any un-secured ap, and if you had the key, even secured ones
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[09:07:19] wagnerrp: clever: there is no asymmetric identification used in wifi?
[09:08:40] slacker-: help?
[09:08:43] clever: if encryption is off, its a simple matter to falsify the source/dest mac addy along with the source/dest ip
[09:09:06] clever: and if you know the tcp seq numbers, you can fake a reply to any tcp connection, though errors will come up when the real end-point replies
[09:09:56] wagnerrp: slacker-: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1473793.html
[09:11:01] slacker-: ic
[09:11:17] slacker-: i'll try that out. thanks
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[09:16:49] clever: wagnerrp: enless your using https, you cant assume the reply is safe, even if you believe the AP to be safe
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[09:18:37] clever: wagnerrp: ive also heard stories of doing a firmware upgrade to routers, so they do malicious stuff to all traffic while continueing to function normaly
[09:19:03] clever: and with the default pw on the admin page and no wep/wpa, you could just drive up and down the street and infect every router
[09:23:53] slacker-: excellent. thanks wagnerrp, that worked
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[10:14:31] Pilgrim__: hey all... does anyone know if it is possible to somehow use the flowplayer flash plugin in mythweb to stream videos (not just recordings)?
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[12:49:00] williammanda_: could someone direct me for help concerning vaapi use in mythtv .25? It seems I may not have the sandy bridge cpu setup correctly to use vaapi in mythtv
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[16:42:03] williammanda: I'm trying to use vaapi in mythtv .25 but having a problem....it immediately crashes...it looks as though the i915 is being used in ubuntu 11.10....is this correct or do I need i965?
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[17:16:00] joshn: anybody running the 1.6x driver on the HDPVR?
[17:16:14] joshn: I've got 6 hdpvr's, upgraded to 1.629277. 3 of them work fine, 3 have video saturation/hue/contrast issues
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[17:34:17] Slasher`: hey, quick question – is there any particular reason why when i press menu on my sky remote it takes ages before it displays on mythtv? we're talking like 10–20 seconds here, is there any way i could speed it up? i've got a pvr 150 as recommended by someone on here
[17:37:32] devinheitmueller: MythTV is poorly optimized for Live TV viewing.
[17:38:09] devinheitmueller: (mainly due to the various stages of buffering between the backend and frontend)
[17:38:54] devinheitmueller: ... and the problem is exaggerated if you're using an IR blaster since that adds several seconds to the channel change time.
[17:41:17] sphery: Ah, so it's the Sky STB menu that's taking forever...
[17:41:31] sphery: was wondering what in the world could cause MythTV menu to take 10–20s to display
[17:44:19] Slasher`: cheers devinheitmueller for the explanation – dont suppose theres any way(s) around it?
[17:44:58] J-e-f-f-A: Slasher`: yeah, don't use your sky remote. The Backend should have exclusive control of the box.
[17:45:16] J-e-f-f-A: Slasher`: effectively the sky box becomes a tuner for MythTV.
[17:45:26] williammanda: anyone vaapi?
[17:45:39] williammanda: anyone use vaapi?
[17:45:43] J-e-f-f-A: williammanda: not me... Software or VDPAU all the way. ;-)
[17:45:46] sphery: or don't use MythTV... Use a passthrough-type application that doesn't record to disk--something like tvtime
[17:46:29] williammanda: I was wanting to see how good it was
[17:46:35] J-e-f-f-A: Slasher`: MythTV is a PVR – and is not designed [nor optimized in any way] for 'live' tv viewing.
[17:46:48] Slasher`: ahhh i see
[17:46:49] williammanda: got a core i5
[17:47:00] Slasher`: oh well cheers was worth an ask at least i know now
[17:47:29] J-e-f-f-A: Slasher`: You you've got a 3 second delay between the video being recorded to disk, then another second or two (or longer if you pause, etc) before it's decoded and played back on your screen.
[17:47:59] J-e-f-f-A: Slasher`: What it's designed for is recording programs whenever they air, and then you wan watch them 'at will' at a later time.
[17:49:38] sphery: Slasher`: so you're trying to use MHEG or something?
[17:50:26] Slasher`: i've just got a new sky box and it was annoying me trying to set it up right with the delay so i thought i would ask.. but that explains it, for setting it up i shall just plug it into my tv instead of being a lazy b***h lol
[17:50:58] Slasher`: thanks again
[17:52:28] sphery: cool, just wondered if you were trying to do something that should be done another way in mythtv
[17:52:42] sphery: but for STB setup, a direct connection to TV is best
[17:56:15] J-e-f-f-A: Slasher`: Or just use mplayer to play it live ... ie "mplayer /dev/video0"  – that should be within a second or so of 'live' ;-) (given the compression/decompression time)
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[18:00:44] Slasher`: ooh good idea, thanks
[18:01:39] J-e-f-f-A: Slasher`: You may have to select the right video input first. ;-)
[18:01:56] J-e-f-f-A: Slasher`: If you don't see your picture, or see 'snow', then that's the case. ;-)
[18:02:27] Slasher`: hmm good point
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[18:22:59] sphery: wagnerrp: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/501871#501871  ? Time for an upgrade?
[18:23:13] sphery: seems we'd need MediaWiki 1.16+
[18:23:35] sphery: (where 1.16 is considered obsolete, now, so we'd want the + :)
[18:25:35] wagnerrp: were either on 1.15 or 1.16, i dont remember off hand
[18:26:05] wagnerrp: 1.15.2
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[18:27:37] sphery: ah, cool
[18:27:57] sphery: is MW on our server or still on the "borrowed" server?
[18:28:06] sphery: if on borrowed, do we have a newer version on alcor?
[18:28:20] sphery: maybe we just need to move it to the new server
[18:29:36] wagnerrp: everything is still on the "fake" server
[18:29:58] wagnerrp: its on a virtual machine
[18:30:17] wagnerrp: theres nothing "borrowed" since its "virtual" and not "real"
[18:30:26] sphery: hehe
[18:30:32] wagnerrp: youre not actually seeing the wiki, just a virtual representation of it
[18:30:50] sphery: wonder if that means that SD could start paying for it with virtual money
[18:39:31] wagnerrp: like facebook credits?
[18:42:59] sphery: hehe, or MS Points--since MS is going to get rid of those by year's end, it seems
[18:43:37] Beirdo: heh
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[19:54:02] rockhound: hi everyone
[19:55:27] rockhound: ever since i upgraded my frontend/backend setup with an ssd, myth-welcome starts and loads mythfrontend up on manually switching the htpc on, but never connects after that.
[19:55:44] rockhound: mythfrontend is up before mythbackend
[19:56:26] rockhound: it displays the usual dialog about not being able to connect. with the old hdd it disappeared after a while and the fronted connected
[19:57:17] wagnerrp: does mythbackend ever actually come up?
[19:57:19] rockhound:
[19:57:42] rockhound: wagnerrp: yes shortly after the frontend
[19:58:04] rockhound: i can connect it only by going into watch a recording
[19:58:30] rockhound: if I go anywhere else before that, the dialog disappears but mythfrontend never connects and shutsdown
[19:58:36] wagnerrp: then you need to delay mythwelcome so it doesnt start until after the backend as
[19:59:16] wagnerrp: the frontend *should* be trying to automatically reconnect to the backend every couple seconds
[19:59:17] wagnerrp: i couldnt tell you why it isnt without seeing logs
[19:59:30] rockhound: which logs do i need to turn on?
[19:59:39] rockhound: fronted log is on but limited
[20:00:20] wagnerrp: just pastebin whatever you have
[20:00:26] rockhound: wagnerrp, where is the mythwelcome delay settings
[20:00:49] wagnerrp: ive never used mythwelcome
[20:03:27] wizbit: is the original guy who invented mythtv still involved with it
[20:03:46] rockhound:
[20:03:56] wagnerrp: to some limited degree
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[20:22:00] rockhound:
[20:22:17] rockhound: do you know from the top of your head where I can change this?
[20:22:24] rockhound: I would have to dig
[20:22:43] wagnerrp: it continues retrying for ever
[20:22:46] wagnerrp: there was only one try in that particular pass of the loop
[20:23:46] rockhound:
[20:23:57] wagnerrp: searching...
[20:31:21] wagnerrp: been almost a year since i read through all this stuff
[20:31:42] wagnerrp: i know theres a callback to an external timer that just keeps looping as long as the frontend is disconnected
[20:31:43] wagnerrp: but i cant recall where the code actually is
[20:34:48] rockhound: but why would it falsely say try 1 of 1
[20:35:05] rockhound: should it say "try no. 1" ?
[20:35:17] rockhound: if it is infinite
[20:35:39] wagnerrp: there are two stages
[20:36:02] wagnerrp: one is a temporary disconnect, where it will retry one or more times in rapid succession
[20:36:24] wagnerrp: the other is a persistent disconnect, where it will wait a significantly longer duration between attempts
[20:37:51] wagnerrp: since its all shared libraries
[20:38:11] wagnerrp: some applications may instead terminate after failure of the first stage
[20:39:02] wagnerrp: looks like it runs every five seconds
[20:40:01] wagnerrp: first stage reconnect is mythtv/libs/libmythbase/mythcorecontext.cpp:ConnectCommandSocket
[20:40:05] njustinc: @sphery I have the updated logs
[20:40:06] Oleg_: why was the show "The Event" cancelled on NBC?
[20:40:18] wagnerrp: second is mythtv/programs/mythfrontend/backendconnectionmanager.cpp
[20:40:18] Beirdo: because it sucked?
[20:40:31] rockhound: how do i increase the logging for the connection to the backend?
[20:40:31] Beirdo: or so think the network execs
[20:40:31] wagnerrp: Oleg_: because nothing ever happened?
[20:40:49] Oleg_: Beirdo and wagnerrp, both of you watched that show?
[20:40:50] wagnerrp: you grew to hate the characters because they never did anything
[20:40:59] Oleg_: ok
[20:41:00] wagnerrp: i watched the first couple episodes
[20:41:04] Beirdo: I watched it for a bit, and deleted it
[20:41:57] wagnerrp: i was about to delete it outright halfway through the pilot, before they pulled some crazy s**t at the end of the episode
[20:42:04] wagnerrp: but then the next few episodes were just as boring as most of the first
[20:42:25] Beirdo: yeah, pretty much
[20:42:26] wagnerrp: and they kept doing those annoying flashbacks
[20:42:26] wagnerrp: flashbacks suck
[20:42:38] wagnerrp: no one likes non-linear story telling
[20:42:41] Beirdo: put down the shrooms then
[20:43:10] Oleg_: usually flashbacks are great. In "Breaking Bad", flashbacks were great
[20:43:52] wagnerrp: the occasional flashback to reveal something is ok
[20:44:10] wagnerrp: but my god, 2/3 of that show was just flipping between different timeframes
[20:44:35] wagnerrp: alcatraz is being annoying like that too
[20:44:54] wagnerrp: i just want to watch the show, i dont want to watch what happened decades before the show
[20:45:05] Oleg_: do you think "terra nova" should be cancelled or renewed?
[20:46:33] stuartm: The Event just wasn't tightly written, it completely failed to draw me in and after they hastily re-wrote the tail end of the season it was clear that the ship was rudderless
[20:46:40] njustinc: Having an issue with auto-expire deleting shows around the 2TB mark, my entire array is 11TB
[20:46:57] njustinc: has anybody ran into this issue before?
[20:46:58] wagnerrp: array?
[20:47:06] njustinc: RAID 5
[20:47:08] njustinc: Array
[20:47:27] wagnerrp: hopefully you thought better than to stuff your database on there as well
[20:47:58] njustinc: Well I did not setup Myth, I'm just helping to troubleshoot
[20:48:04] stuartm: Terra Nova is crap, it's tv by numbers, borrowing elements from a variety of popular shows (Lost, Stargate, The Lost World etc) and just hoping that they somehow work
[20:48:12] njustinc: so I can not answer that question
[20:48:23] stuartm: there's no originality at all
[20:48:51] wagnerrp: no, no reason why mythtv should have trouble exceeding 2TB of storage on a single filesyetem
[20:49:18] Oleg_: stuartm, and what do you think about the Showtime shows such as 'Dexter' and 'Homeland'?
[20:49:18] wagnerrp: unless theres something funky going on with the OS, returning bad information to the autoexpire routine
[20:50:06] njustinc: sphery was helping me out a week ago or so and ask to -setverbose,extra file to the backend log
[20:50:15] wagnerrp: njustinc: for reference, the recommended setup for mythtv is to record everything to independent drives, and store the database on another independent drive
[20:50:41] wagnerrp: RAID5/6 are only well suited for archival, primarily read-only, access
[20:50:47] stuartm: Oleg_: never seen Homeland (not available in the UK yet), The first two seasons of Dexter were good and it's definitely an original concept, I'm only just reaching the end of the third season which has been a bit boring but maybe it will pick up again in the fourth
[20:51:03] njustinc: the OS is not located on the array
[20:51:04] wagnerrp: they fall apart whenever you try to write anything non-sequential to them
[20:51:23] Oleg_: stuartm, season 3 is the weakest season of the series, in my opinion
[20:51:53] wagnerrp: and while one recording may be sequential, multiple simultaneous recordings, plus whatever filesystem metadata incur, is not
[20:52:15] wagnerrp: but thats just a general recommendation to whoever set up the system
[20:52:18] wagnerrp: it should not have any relevance to your current issue
[20:52:54] njustinc: I do have the backend logs, if that would be helpful
[20:53:02] wagnerrp: you can pastebin it
[20:53:47] wagnerrp: note that it would be '--setverbose extra,file' to connect to a running system and change the logging parameters
[20:53:48] wagnerrp: while '--verbose extra,file' would be used when starting a fresh backend
[20:54:17] njustinc: its 2MB do you need the entire log? pastebin has a 500k limit
[20:55:04] wagnerrp: just some logs that include auto-expiration
[20:55:09] njustinc: ok
[20:55:20] wagnerrp: it should be running on a 15 minute loop
[20:55:33] wagnerrp: but something that shows it actually deleting something would be preferred
[20:56:01] wagnerrp: is this 0.24 or 0.25?
[20:56:40] wagnerrp: Beirdo: any chance that split-int thing could be causing problems?
[20:56:47] rockhound:
[20:57:11] njustinc: http://pastebin.com/Rtizw3Mt
[20:57:39] wagnerrp: if they were not combined properly, and since filesystem sizes are marked in 1KB blocks, it could conceivably have issues at 2**31 (2TB)
[20:58:23] njustinc: if what was not combined properly
[20:58:54] stuartm: rockhound: extra audio? You might want to elaborate
[20:59:15] wagnerrp: the filesystem size and free space, previously stored as a pair of 32-bit unsigned integer
[20:59:15] wagnerrp: s
[20:59:20] justinh: I miss daytime IRC
[20:59:36] wagnerrp: if the lower int was accidentally used directly as a signed int
[20:59:43] rockhound: stuartm, http://pastebin.com/NWn2x8Bk
[20:59:47] wagnerrp: it would limit usage to 2**31 * 1K, or 2TB
[20:59:50] stuartm: justinh: no you don't
[21:00:16] justinh: no? Heh. I got 'rumbled' at work. Somebody put 1 & 2 together, and got 4
[21:00:43] njustinc: What you be the fix?
[21:01:18] wagnerrp: njustinc: the fix would be to stop using those split integers
[21:01:22] Seeker`: justinh: did they get 4 by bitshifting 1 by 2?
[21:01:24] wagnerrp: which has already been performed (in 0.25)
[21:01:30] justinh: basically sounded like they saw traffic coming & going every few seconds, as long as I was logged into home over ssh – therefore I wasted all day. Meh
[21:01:35] wagnerrp: hence my question, are you running 0.24 or 0.25?
[21:01:48] njustinc: 0.23
[21:01:58] stuartm: rockhound: just because nothing is printed to the logs between those two messages doesn't mean that it took 5 seconds to do the last thing mentioned
[21:02:11] justinh: wasn't a real reaming I got, but enough of a caution to stop ssh'ing. Looks bad, even when it isn't
[21:02:24] rockhound: stuartm, I will switch to loglevel all and see
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[21:02:32] rockhound: sorry about the false alarm
[21:02:45] justinh: oops. there goes the last season of Ashes To Ashes
[21:02:55] justinh: *delete* lol
[21:03:11] stuartm: justinh: I didn't even bother to record it
[21:03:20] wagnerrp: njustinc: has everything been set to 'dont expire' to protect it?
[21:03:27] wagnerrp: i dont see anything that gets deleted
[21:03:42] wagnerrp: but i do see a bunch of warnings about stuff being marked to not expire
[21:03:57] justinh: stuartm: yeah the end of the first season was enough to put us off watching
[21:04:03] justinh: s/end/whole/
[21:04:29] stuartm: :)
[21:05:26] wagnerrp: njustinc: do you have a "cycling through deleteList" anywhere in your logs?
[21:05:41] njustinc: would that be in the backlog?
[21:05:50] wagnerrp: backend log, yes
[21:06:52] wagnerrp: also, what version of 0.23, specifically?
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[21:08:36] njustinc: http://pastebin.com/iwUxFpzt
[21:09:01] njustinc: that should have the cycling through deleteList yor looking for
[21:09:06] njustinc: if not let me know
[21:09:45] njustinc: 0.23 24158
[21:10:28] wagnerrp: could i actually see that whole run? the 'cycling through deletelist' is halfway through, after it already decided it was out of room and needed to delete crap
[21:10:28] wagnerrp: also, 24158 is an unstable pre-release of 0.23, no one should be running it
[21:10:37] wagnerrp: upgrade to 0.24.2, or at least 0.23.1
[21:10:51] wagnerrp: the mythbuntu PPAs will have packages for both
[21:11:42] ** justinh wonders if there are any videos of this new animation stuff **
[21:12:38] njustinc: I'm fairly lost on how to upgrade
[21:12:43] njustinc: I installed the repo
[21:12:50] njustinc: and ran the package manager
[21:13:07] njustinc: but it still stayed at version 0.23 24158
[21:13:29] rockhound: anyone else have an idea about the not connecting frontend?
[21:13:30] wagnerrp: im not sure how to do it, i believe you have to enable it through mythbuntu control center
[21:13:47] tgm4883: http://www.mythbuntu.org/repos
[21:13:52] wagnerrp: but 24158 was specifically the version that came with the 10.04 ubuntu release
[21:13:59] wagnerrp: which is a good 400 commits before the official release for 0.23
[21:14:52] wagnerrp: the free space is curiously right at 2**33
[21:14:57] wagnerrp: i wonder if that has any meaning...
[21:15:09] wizbit: in february i will buy a highpoint rocket 620, another set closer to HD :D
[21:15:34] wagnerrp: booo... dont buy a highpoint anything
[21:15:36] stuartm: justinh: no, I don't think many people have had a chance to play with it
[21:15:42] njustinc: the enite log http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6039186/mythbackend.log
[21:16:22] wagnerrp: oh... controller card? i didnt know highpoint made anything other than softraid controllers
[21:16:29] wagnerrp: in any case, not much purpose to a 2-port controller
[21:18:14] justinh: stuartm: hmm. fairly itching to have a go. my new quad core desktop machine is likely fast enough to capture desktop video, so maybe...
[21:18:46] wagnerrp: njustinc: is this running ext3?
[21:18:59] stuartm: justinh: it's screen level only atm
[21:19:14] njustinc: how can I check fdisk?
[21:19:15] justinh: btw anybody ever considered synonym support for programme categories?
[21:19:33] justinh: we've got kids TV shows split up into Children/Childrens
[21:20:00] wagnerrp: `cat /proc/mounts`
[21:20:02] justinh: stuartm: ah. heh
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[21:20:21] wagnerrp: the third column will show the filesystem type
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[21:21:02] stuartm: wtf?
[21:21:22] stuartm: justinh: sphery was working on something that might be relevant
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[21:22:07] wagnerrp: stuartm: the tag stuff?
[21:22:27] justinh: lol. there's a category called 'entertaiment' here
[21:22:50] iamlindoro: Just think of how useful that tag would be if accurately applied
[21:22:59] Seeker`: justinh: you haven't had a chance to see it at all?
[21:23:05] justinh: Seeker`: nope
[21:23:13] justinh: how would I?
[21:23:19] justinh: been a busy bee
[21:23:37] justinh: Family Guy... DELEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETE
[21:23:45] Seeker`: justinh: any effects you are particularly interested in seeing?
[21:24:01] justinh: Seeker`: blur would be nice
[21:24:03] njustinc: ext3 ,rw, noatime
[21:24:35] sphery: njustinc: nice... where are the logs at?
[21:24:48] wagnerrp: sphery: see dropbox link above
[21:26:10] Seeker`: justinh: I mean out of the position/zoom/alpha effects that are currently implemented
[21:26:13] Seeker`: oh, and 'angle' too
[21:26:13] sphery: found it
[21:26:44] sphery: did he say he's using 0.23 or something (didn't read all of scrollback)
[21:27:06] njustinc: yes 0.23 24158
[21:27:06] wagnerrp: yes, the pre-release mythbuntu version
[21:27:23] sphery: uggghhh... that might be related to the issues
[21:27:27] justinh: Seeker`: all of them. LOL. Quite intrigued by the prospect of autoscrolling text too
[21:28:34] sphery: IIRC, 0.23 release (and pre-release) had an issue where autoexpire didn't work if you had missing files
[21:28:42] Seeker`: justinh: if I can work out how to record the screen in ubuntu I'll upload a video later
[21:28:44] sphery: and there are many missing files on your system
[21:28:46] sphery: njustinc: ^^^
[21:29:05] wizbit: are there any rules one should make when naming movies? should i use all lowercase, and find out how the words appear with correct apostrophe etc so grabbers can locate correct images etc?
[21:29:37] justinh: wizbit: replace letter 'e' with the number 3, etc :P
[21:29:43] wagnerrp: sphery: they all appear to be failed livetv sessions
[21:29:44] wizbit: :o
[21:29:51] wagnerrp: news and paid programming at 4am
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[21:30:14] ** wizbit damages justinh crt so he is forced to switch to HD **
[21:30:28] justinh: meh. ebay for another 32" CRT :-)
[21:30:52] sphery: though it is showing expration working at 2012-01–24 07:25:29.258 for 2081_20120110155900.mpg
[21:30:53] justinh: though for my money, based on the amount *I* personally watch I bet I could live without a new set
[21:31:48] wizbit: justinh: you could become your wifes personal IT support instead :D
[21:32:23] justinh: shutit, dustybin2
[21:32:24] sphery: njustinc: you have slow deletes enabled... this isn't a CIFS-based file system, right?
[21:32:33] wizbit: dustybin2?
[21:32:56] jams: hehe
[21:32:59] njustinc: right its ext3
[21:33:05] sphery: and local
[21:33:13] justinh: god, why do we still record Top Gear? Deeeeeeeeeeeeeeleeeeeeeeeeeeeeete
[21:33:16] njustinc: I am not sure what slow deletes is?
[21:33:38] ** wizbit _hates_ Richard Hammond **
[21:33:39] sphery: just deletes the file a little bit at a time so it's not a huge I/O operation all at once
[21:33:57] ** sphery liked General Hammond **
[21:34:00] justinh: yeah otherwise on ext3, your BE can end up quite iobound
[21:34:11] Beirdo: hey, I like Top Gear, it's fun
[21:34:21] justinh: to see what top gear *should* be like – a motoring magazine show.. see youtube
[21:34:24] sphery: yeah, with ext3, you do want it--but you don't want to use NFS or CIFS to make that ext3 file system available
[21:34:30] Beirdo: three idiots CAN make an entertaining show
[21:34:33] sphery: (as truncating deletes don't really work on NFS/CIFS)
[21:35:16] justinh: Beirdo: they spoil the fun by waxing on about expensive cars though
[21:35:30] justinh: who honestly cares about cars that cost a hundred grand?
[21:35:34] Beirdo: as long as they keep the waxing off off camera
[21:35:40] Beirdo: I do, actually
[21:36:01] Beirdo: I'll never have one, but I find them quite fun to watch
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[21:36:13] Beirdo: one can but dream
[21:36:14] wagnerrp: sphery: do we know 'max' actually works properly on >32-bit values?
[21:36:31] Beirdo: wagnerrp: which "max" is this?
[21:36:32] justinh: back in the day they used to review cars real people could conceivably afford
[21:36:47] Beirdo: yeah, that would be more useful to the average person
[21:36:54] wagnerrp: Beirdo: the one used in autoexpire.cpp
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[21:37:04] justinh: bit boring though. see youtube :P
[21:37:26] justinh: funny watching 20 year old TV shows. Clarkson sounds posh on those clips
[21:37:28] wagnerrp: hang on...
[21:37:32] Beirdo: wagnerrp: I'd bet that's std::max. You can find out what it will do
[21:37:48] Beirdo: that's why I prefer to use MAX(), which I define myself as a macro
[21:38:01] sphery: wagnerrp: well, I used slow deletes for years on 32-bit mythbackend
[21:38:09] wagnerrp: why would freeSpaceKB ever be negative in the first place to max() it against 0LL
[21:38:24] Beirdo: because it can be negative
[21:38:36] Beirdo: remember the -m parameter?
[21:38:38] sphery: once I patched the code to use uint64_t, it worked fine
[21:38:44] Beirdo: for mkfs, that is
[21:38:53] wagnerrp: oh, right
[21:39:15] Beirdo: you'd be HOSED if it gets that full, but it's technically a possibility :)
[21:39:28] stuartm: justinh: there was also a time when you could dispel the disbelief and accept their mis-adventures as funny, now I just find everything to be so obviously scripted that it's excruciating rather than amusing
[21:40:00] Beirdo: stuartm: yeah, but we are just starting to get the BBC ones here legally, we aren't quite as jaded... yet
[21:40:13] sphery: njustinc: I think the best thing you could do, now, is update to a more current MythTV--at least current 0.23-fixes, but ideally 0.24-fixes
[21:40:15] justinh: yeah there's that too
[21:40:29] stuartm: I often jumped over the uber-expensive super car reviews, but when the bits in between are not worth watching there was no longer any point in recording it
[21:40:34] justinh: I heard about the US version of Top Gear today. Sounds worse than ours
[21:40:36] sphery: njustinc: I realize that you had mentioned that will require upgrading the distro, but I think that's actually why it's failing for you
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[21:40:48] sphery: njustinc: there were serious problems with the pre-release 0.23
[21:40:52] justinh: oo Christmas Dr Who special.. DELEEEEEEEEEEEEETE
[21:41:00] Beirdo: the US version is LAME
[21:41:00] njustinc: ok, how do I go about upgrading
[21:41:00] wagnerrp: Beirdo: anyway, as mentioned... it does bad things right as the amount of free space drops below 2**34
[21:41:02] justinh: not watched. never will watch. gone
[21:41:21] Beirdo: wagnerrp: hmm, nasty
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[21:42:18] J-e-f-f-A: Yeah, the US version is Lame – they are *trying* to be a clone of the UK show...
[21:42:44] wagnerrp: i.e at 8196GB free, it behaves properly. at 8194GB free, it is broken
[21:43:10] wagnerrp: sphery: youve been dealing with someone on the mailing list with similar issues, correct?
[21:43:20] wagnerrp: but its a single 3TB drive or something?
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[21:47:37] sphery: the guy on mailing list had multiple file systems and only 20% of recording space was expirable
[21:47:47] sphery: so it's possible that none of the expirable shows were on the full file systems
[21:48:24] sphery: I should do up a little script in python bindings to find per-file-system space usage
[21:48:45] sphery: (plan to do it in MythTV proper, but not until we have the new schema with "last seen at" location for files)
[21:48:52] njustinc1: @sphery should I go ahead and look into an upgrade
[21:48:57] rockhound: bye everyone
[21:49:03] sphery: so we don't have to grind through the entire file system every time it's requested
[21:49:07] sphery: wagnerrp: ^^^
[21:49:26] sphery: njustinc1: yeah, sorry about the extra effort--but I'm pretty sure it will pay off for you
[21:49:33] wagnerrp: njustinc1: you should look into an upgrade (to at least 0.23.1) for reasons completely independent of your current issue
[21:49:35] sphery: especially if you can upgrade to 0.24-fixes
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[21:49:47] njustinc1: I confused on how to upgrade
[21:50:04] wagnerrp: see the page tgm4883 posted way way back
[21:51:37] njustinc1: http://www.mythbuntu.org/repos
[21:51:38] shubes: Hello, mtv noob here. *nix
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[21:52:05] njustinc1: http://www.mythbuntu.org/repos this did explain much on upgrading from 0.23
[21:52:14] shubes: Need a little help with script: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Myth_video_scan.py
[21:52:28] wagnerrp: shubes: help how?
[21:52:52] shubes: I'm running it as mythtv user, but it's not adding anything. I'll try to explain.
[21:53:44] wagnerrp: it doesnt matter what user it runs as, as it does not access the filesystem ever
[21:53:45] shubes: I rebuilt my mythbuntu 11.10 host, and still have recordings from previous same versioned host (mythtv 0.24).
[21:54:01] shubes: It needed to run as mythtv user simply to get database creds.
[21:54:02] wagnerrp: youve added your video paths to the Videos storage group in the backend?
[21:54:19] shubes: Yeah, I have changed them to be same as they were on the old host.
[21:54:56] shubes: the default now is /mnt/stor1/recordings
[21:55:45] sphery: wagnerrp: can we get file system info (total space, and space available) from python bindings?
[21:55:49] shubes: Oh, maybe that's it. They need to be in /mnt/stor1/videos instead of /mnt/stor1/recordings ?
[21:55:56] sphery: or would it require grabbing the backend status page and parsing the xml?
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[21:57:32] wagnerrp: shubes: they need to be in a path defined for the 'Videos' group
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[21:57:46] wagnerrp: sphery: you can pull the filesystem info in the same manner the backend itself does
[21:57:53] wagnerrp: but they would have to be manually merged
[21:58:11] wagnerrp: i dont have anything that groups them together in the manner the backend does
[21:58:23] Seeker`: justinh: uploading a video now
[21:58:50] shubes: Doh!
[21:59:10] shubes: It indeed picks them up there.
[22:00:01] Seeker`: justinh: ooh, that uploaded quickly. http://youtu.be/SPAsk_x_wlk
[22:00:28] wagnerrp: sphery: http://mythtv.org/wiki/QUERY_FREE_SPACE_(Myth_Protocol) and https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . dheap.py#247
[22:00:29] wagnerrp: shubes: note that there is really limited utility in that script
[22:00:56] wagnerrp: since the UPNP server runs its own independent scans, and does not rely on those tables that script is populating
[22:01:08] sphery: wagnerrp: nice
[22:01:24] wagnerrp: and the scanner in the frontend only needs to be run when you actually add new content, i.e. ripping a DVD
[22:01:33] sphery: maybe I'll play around and see if I can make a "find out what's on each file system and what's expirable on each file system"
[22:01:33] justinh: Seeker`: not cooked yet ;-)
[22:01:44] Seeker`: bah, http://youtu.be/SPAsk_x_wIk
[22:02:18] Seeker`: In chrome, I only differs from l by about 2 pixels in height
[22:02:20] shubes: I'd like the previous recordings to show up with the new recordings. Any way to do this?
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[22:03:11] wagnerrp: sphery: findfile will find what storage group individual files exist in, but isnt very efficient for mutliple files... https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . proto.py#182
[22:03:14] shubes: Wait, the script says that it skipped the 3 that I put there.
[22:03:24] justinh: Seeker`: heh cool. thanks
[22:03:46] wagnerrp: previous recordings and new recordings?
[22:03:51] sphery: wagnerrp: I need to find which directory--regardless of storage group
[22:03:55] wagnerrp: all content currently on disk shows up in the 'watch recordings' screen
[22:03:58] Seeker`: justinh: np. Its smoother on my 'proper' frontend with better drivers enabled
[22:04:05] shubes: wagnerrp: yes please.
[22:04:26] wagnerrp: by 'new recordings', do you mean 'upcoming recordings'?
[22:04:29] sphery: I'm expecting to have to do a find for every single recording file (i.e. hammer the system)--which is why it needs to be an external script for now
[22:06:06] shubes: The server is presently putting new recordings in the recordings folder. So yes, upcoming. They're working fine. They get recorded, they show up fine in the frontend app and mythweb.
[22:06:07] wagnerrp: sphery: well this queries the database for the list of storage groups for each file
[22:06:24] wagnerrp: and then tests the file against each storage group until it finds one
[22:06:51] wagnerrp: sphery: more efficient would be getting a list of all content and all recordings, and then matching the basenames together
[22:06:59] wagnerrp: such as is done in find_orphans
[22:07:26] shubes: I'd just like to add some recordings I have from the previous host (same versions of software) back in with the ones that are there now.
[22:07:26] wagnerrp: shubes: no, there is no way to show upcoming recordings in the 'watch recordings' section
[22:07:27] wagnerrp: although thats not a bad idea to be honest
[22:07:40] wagnerrp: list them there, but grayed out
[22:07:59] wagnerrp: enter the list at the first available entry, rather than the top of the list
[22:08:24] wagnerrp: so no... thats not at all what youre saying
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[22:08:36] shubes: right. Interesting thought though. ;)
[22:08:53] sphery: wagnerrp: ah, yeah, didn't think of using find_orphans as a skeleton for it... nice plan :)
[22:08:54] wagnerrp: 'previous recordings' are ones from your old install, while 'new recordings' are ones from your current?
[22:09:01] shubes: I simply have some older recordings that I want to add back in to a newer backend host.
[22:09:07] wagnerrp: thats never really been supported, since youre just supposed to carry the database over from one install to the next
[22:09:11] shubes: right.
[22:09:22] wagnerrp: meaning theres no real way to do it
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[22:09:44] shubes: The database got clobbered, although I thought I told the new install to keep the old settings. It doesn't appear to have kept the database.
[22:10:18] wagnerrp: if you dont have the old database, theres not really anything you can do
[22:10:26] wagnerrp: since there is no way of programmatically figuring out what any of those recordings are
[22:10:39] sphery: shubes: that's what MythVideo is for... MythVideo is for archival and MythTV/Watch Recordings is temporary storage for watch & delete or for until you use http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythvidexport.py to move the show to MythVideo for archival
[22:10:59] wagnerrp: youll just have to watch each one individually, and either just delete them, or give them proper names such that mythvideo can parse them and pull metadata
[22:12:18] wagnerrp: if you had the old database, you could import it under a new name, run mythlink against it to create proper names, and then copy those into a mythvideo folder so it could import them with additional metadata
[22:12:50] shubes: I think I see. In 0.24 do I need to install the MythVideo plugin separately? (Like from the MCC)
[22:13:09] wagnerrp: yes, in 0.25 is has been merged with core
[22:17:06] wagnerrp: sphery: would a little endian system put the negative bit as the first or last?
[22:18:29] sphery: hehe, I always confuse my ends
[22:19:59] wagnerrp: well... i claim that bug is a int/uint issue
[22:20:11] wagnerrp: but i dont know enough about the behavior to say for sure
[22:20:47] wagnerrp: other than i dont know what else would cause something break just because it changed from 01<<32 to 10<<32
[22:21:10] shubes: So someone know why the script would show the first part of each filename followed by "... no matches, skipped" when I run it?
[22:21:21] wagnerrp: in any case, im betting the filesysteminfo rewrite in 0.25 just magically fixed it
[22:22:30] wagnerrp: shubes: your it is trying to search the metadata grabbers for a match, and failing
[22:22:33] shubes: Is it perhaps trying to match the filename to a database entry that doesn't exist?
[22:23:10] wagnerrp: either your television filenames are not capable of being properly parsed by the filename parsing regular express, and being passed in directly to the title
[22:23:24] wagnerrp: or the parsed title is simply too far wrong to match with data on themoviedb.org and thetvdb.com
[22:23:33] wagnerrp: the video is still added, it is just added with no metadata
[22:23:39] ** wagnerrp heads to dinner **
[22:23:51] shubes: Thanks for the explaination.
[22:24:35] sphery: wagnerrp: which bug?
[22:26:21] stuartm: sphery: user is finding recordings being expired when the filesystem contains 2TB even though a further 4TB are available (raid 5 before you ask)
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[22:31:20] sphery: ah, yeah, forgot about that one--that's probably the one wagnerrp was talking about
[22:31:38] sphery: that one I have no idea on
[22:31:52] sphery: I'd need some good logs with -v file,extra
[22:32:02] sphery: (showing at least one thing being expired)
[22:32:28] sphery: (and, therefore, showing the values it's using to determine that something needs expiring)
[22:33:03] sphery: may be that we're using a 32-bit int for max bitrate and it's overflowing or something
[22:33:37] sphery: so if he had a ton of capture cards...
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[22:42:23] rockhound: well, after the 0.24.2 update, there are no upcoming recordings
[22:42:37] rockhound: any hints on how to get them back
[22:42:41] rockhound: ?
[22:44:53] sphery: we removed recording functionality for 0.24.2
[22:45:02] sphery: figured it's probably not necessary, anymore
[22:45:06] sphery: (joke)
[22:45:29] sphery: we need to see a backend log... also: mythbackend -v schedule --printsched
[22:45:35] sphery: to pastebin, please
[22:47:08] rockhound: hmm printshed shows the correct output
[22:47:22] rockhound: mythweb does not
[22:47:30] sphery: then I'm guessing your mythweb needs updating
[22:48:02] rockhound: hmm
[22:48:52] rockhound:
[22:49:29] sphery: one simple approach that often helps after an update is a reboot
[22:49:29] rockhound: mythweb is current
[22:49:42] rockhound: did that as a kernel update was involved aswell
[22:49:50] sphery: if so, then it's probably not communicating properly with the backend
[22:50:31] rockhound: everything shows up fine in the frontend aswell
[22:50:41] rockhound: thats my second false alarm today...
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[22:53:27] rockhound: hmm mythwelcome also says no planned recordings
[22:53:35] rockhound: that means it will not wakeup the system in time
[22:53:40] rockhound: fsck
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[22:58:36] rockhound: sphere what verbose level do you need for the backend log? all?
[22:59:22] rockhound: sphery, what verbose level do you need for the backend log? all?
[22:59:41] sphery: if the backend is showing the right output, then backend log won't help
[22:59:48] rockhound: okay
[22:59:52] sphery: not sure how to debug mythweb/mythwelcome issues
[23:00:12] rockhound: anyone else who uses mythwelcome see this?
[23:00:18] sphery: strange, though, that it works in mythbackend and mythfrontend, but not mythwelcome/mythweb
[23:00:37] sphery: is this a single-system setup?
[23:00:54] rockhound: sphery, yes
[23:01:14] sphery: even stranger
[23:01:33] sphery: so it isn't connecting to a wrong backend or wrong database...
[23:02:15] rockhound: dought that
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[23:03:00] rockhound: mythwelcome is part of mythfrontd if I am not mistaken
[23:03:14] sphery: it's actually a separate program
[23:03:26] rockhound: yes but uses the settings of mythfrontend
[23:03:30] sphery: right
[23:03:54] rockhound: the wife will kill me ;-)
[23:04:07] rockhound: a ruin my night update
[23:04:16] rockhound: bitching won't help I guess
[23:04:26] sphery: but on the bright side, the critical functionality--recording and mythfrontend playback--work
[23:04:40] sphery: so you can just leave it running until you figure out the mythwelcome issue
[23:04:41] rockhound:
[23:04:45] rockhound: I could
[23:05:05] sphery: unfortunately, you'll have to use mythfrontend for all scheduling type stuff, probably
[23:05:17] sphery: (for a while, at least)
[23:05:23] rockhound: noone else has this issue?
[23:05:43] sphery: haven't heard of it from anyone else, but people are probably just starting to update to/past 0.24.2
[23:06:02] sphery: I haven't yet pulled an update, but will before too long
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[23:09:36] dekarl_zZz: it can't be broken for to long. its been working with whatever was out in 0.24-fixes 1 1/2 weeks ago
[23:13:43] rockhound: it was working with last nights update to the latest 0.24.1-fixes aswell
[23:13:51] rockhound: that is what is so strange
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[23:16:22] dekarl_zZz: looking through the commits, does mythtv/VERSION want to become v0.24.2+? (add the plus, similar to v0.24.1+ which was there before the release)
[23:16:48] dekarl_zZz: ahh, was about to ask rockhound to look at --version for mythwelcome and the backend :(
[23:27:25] wizbit: would a 1.86 core2duo be good enough for 1080P playback, or should i stick with a chip 2.0 or higher?
[23:27:41] iamlindoro: A 486 SX 33 is good enough for 1080p playback
[23:28:29] ** wizbit itches chin **
[23:29:27] iamlindoro: "1080p playback" means nothing in isolation
[23:29:37] iamlindoro: codecs, bitrates, encoding options matter
[23:30:05] wizbit: imagine avatar bluray movie playback on a core2duo 1.86
[23:30:17] iamlindoro: Not that "Avatar" means anything
[23:30:17] wizbit: @ 1080P
[23:30:44] dekarl_zZz: is that 1080p24 or 1080p60? ;)
[23:31:12] ** wizbit is confused **
[23:31:34] iamlindoro: A 1.86 Ghz Core 2 Duo will be scraping the absolute bottom end for software decode of Blu-ray material
[23:31:48] dekarl_zZz: try http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Configuring_HDTV#B . . . read_this.29
[23:31:48] iamlindoro: You would be well advised to go with higher clock rate
[23:32:08] iamlindoro: Ah, some very handsome and well informed guy must have written that
[23:32:16] wizbit: ace :D
[23:32:31] ** wizbit is happy http://homepage.eircom.net/~fuzzbucket/b3tapics/wizbit_sm.jpg **
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[23:34:07] wizbit: iamlindoro: however, if i use vdpau, my Nvidia Geforce 210 will have no problems, but its nice to have a powerful enough cpu to fall back to
[23:36:08] dekarl_zZz: I'm wondering who could have been that
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[23:41:57] dpeterson3: I'm getting an error message "Failed to open jump program file" when I try to change channels. I have read the bug reports on this problem, but they are about a year old and I have a newer version than that listed in the reports. I have no idea where to look from here.
[23:42:57] sphery: that's a generic error message that means "there's no recording file to open"
[23:43:07] sphery: could be caused by any of a number of issues
[23:43:13] sphery: look in backend log file to see what it says
[23:45:02] dpeterson3: There's nothing in the logs. I've been running the server from the command line, and it doesn't spit out any errors either.
[23:45:25] dpeterson3: I played with it all day, but the last log entry is yesterday evening. Not sure what's up there.
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[23:53:07] dpeterson3: I can apparently use my digital tuner still, so I can narrow it down to a problem with eh analog portion of the card.
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[23:56:36] dpeterson3: I should have stated with I'm trying to get my s-video input to work.
[23:57:19] dpeterson3: I can record from it without any problems, its just when I try to watch it live I get errors.
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