| Sunday, January 22nd, 2012, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:18] | AndyCap: | sphery: was sort of expecting http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QbhfbLUtQs |
| [00:01:05] | sphery: | hehe |
| [00:01:59] | sphery: | AndyCap: the sad part is the 1984 on that... I'm getting old |
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| [00:02:16] | sphery: | I remember hearing about Green Slime (we didn't have cable, so I didn't actually see it) |
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| [00:05:45] | Roklobsta: | ha, i used to watch that here in .au in the 80's. whatever happened to moose/christine? |
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| [00:14:40] | Roklobsta: | do any of you rely on smartctl -t to keep an eye on the hd's? |
| [00:14:55] | sphery: | I don't |
| [00:15:15] | sphery: | I've never actually been warned about problems before I noticed problems myself |
| [00:15:25] | sphery: | but I haven't used it for several years, so it may do better, now |
| [00:15:29] | Roklobsta: | it didn't show anything wrong on the squealy/click samsung drive |
| [00:15:55] | sphery: | yeah, it said all was good on my just-failed HDD, even after Seatools tells me I can RMA it |
| [00:16:28] | Roklobsta: | the samsung drive has nice shiny platters that keep kids entertained. |
| [00:20:28] | sphery: | ahhh... was scrolling through my recordings and saw one without a preview... spent the last 15 min trying to figure out how I lost ones I didn't know I lost, so I ran find_orphans.py... turns out that I the ones missing are the 29 movies from the failed HDD that I left on another disk (my MythTV dev box) just so they didn't take up the 200+GB until HDD prices come down and I get a replacement |
| [00:22:31] | Roklobsta: | oh what is this find_orpahns? |
| [00:22:55] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Find_orphans.py |
| [00:23:06] | sphery: | you can download it with: mythwikiscripts |
| [00:23:42] | Roklobsta: | oh wild |
| [00:24:00] | Roklobsta: | my mythd |
| [00:24:06] | sphery: | in theory, you should never actually need that script, though |
| [00:24:11] | Roklobsta: | my mythdb is 3.5 years old. i am sure there is cruft in it |
| [00:24:26] | sphery: | only if you've deleted stuff off the HDD without mythtv |
| [00:24:52] | sphery: | or you've got some failed recordings that have 0B files |
| [00:25:16] | Roklobsta: | yeah had those due to a tuner not starting up properly |
| [00:25:17] | sphery: | or if you've lost a HDD or similar |
| [00:25:24] | Roklobsta: | and lost a hdd |
| [00:25:42] | sphery: | it's worth running--if nothing else to see how well you're doing at using mythtv properly :) |
| [00:26:41] | Roklobsta: | i have only mucked with some archinval of recordings and not very well either. i'd like to be able to use handbakre-cli to archive stuff. |
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| [00:37:51] | Roklobsta: | good call. the script found a giant list of junk |
| [00:41:54] | Oleg_: | sick |
| [00:41:59] | Oleg_: | I am sick |
| [00:44:28] | sphery: | note that some is likely not junk |
| [00:44:30] | sphery: | like backups |
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| [00:46:01] | Roklobsta: | nah orphans and 0 byets |
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| [01:01:20] | wagnerrp: | sphery: 100 exabytes? |
| [01:01:40] | wagnerrp: | couple hundred million of those and you might have enough space to store your rampant AI |
| [01:07:29] | sphery: | hehe |
| [01:07:45] | sphery: | skynet isn't far behind |
| [01:08:36] | [R]: | well wagnerrp was implying that myth is self aware... |
| [01:11:19] | wagnerrp: | hey now, no one ever said rampancy implied evilness |
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| [03:02:03] | Oleg_: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpbJ6Hrcn0A |
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| [03:17:05] | jedix: | hey, I'm trying to get mythvidexport going.. |
| [03:17:23] | jedix: | I have it as user job #1 |
| [03:17:30] | jedix: | when I try to run it against videos, nothing happens |
| [03:18:27] | jedix: | nothing shows up in the backend log either.. |
| [03:18:53] | wagnerrp: | did you allow your backend to run ita? |
| [03:19:05] | jedix: | I don't know how to do that.. |
| [03:19:13] | jedix: | is that in setup somehwere? |
| [03:19:14] | wagnerrp: | the very next page of settins |
| [03:19:56] | jedix: | the very next page of settings is upnp server settings |
| [03:20:25] | ** wagnerrp checks ** | |
| [03:21:31] | wagnerrp: | make that two pages previous |
| [03:21:52] | jedix: | yeah, just found it.. thanks |
| [03:21:55] | jedix: | I'll try now |
| [03:23:01] | jedix: | hrm, it doesn't create symlinks? |
| [03:23:14] | wagnerrp: | why would it? |
| [03:23:23] | jedix: | disk space? |
| [03:23:36] | wagnerrp: | it inserts stuff in mythvideo |
| [03:23:49] | wagnerrp: | why have something in mythvideo if its still in your recordings? |
| [03:24:16] | jedix: | for other applications? |
| [03:24:24] | wagnerrp: | mythlink.pl? |
| [03:24:53] | jedix: | yeah, I could use that instead |
| [03:25:56] | jedix: | does it use hard links or soft? |
| [03:26:04] | wagnerrp: | soft |
| [03:26:23] | wagnerrp: | hard links are rather dangerous |
| [03:26:40] | wagnerrp: | since they only work on the same filesystem |
| [03:26:48] | wagnerrp: | and they would cause problems with trying to delete recordings |
| [03:26:58] | jedix: | that's actually why I'd want them |
| [03:33:45] | wagnerrp: | the effect would be, mythtv deletes its own reference, but the file lives on in the other hardlink |
| [03:33:58] | jedix: | yeah |
| [03:33:59] | wagnerrp: | on the other hand, if youre using ext3, and have the slow delete fix enabled |
| [03:34:02] | jedix: | that's what I'd want |
| [03:34:19] | wagnerrp: | it slowly truncates the file, leaving you with a couple MB orphaned file in the other location |
| [03:34:29] | jedix: | that's not what I'd want |
| [03:34:43] | jedix: | mythlink doesn't seem to support season/episode numbers |
| [03:35:06] | wagnerrp: | recordings dont have season and episode numbers |
| [03:35:27] | wagnerrp: | mythvidexport hooks into the mythvideo metadata grabbers to get them |
| [03:35:37] | jedix: | I see |
| [03:39:43] | sphery: | kormoc: Jewel Staite is in Supernatural episode The Girl Next Door. She's the monster (a kitsune), but I think I could live with that. |
| [03:40:22] | ** kormoc adds supernatural to his watch list ** | |
| [03:40:34] | kormoc: | I'd be a-okay with that too |
| [03:40:54] | sphery: | note, also that kitsune is the Japanese word for fox... |
| [03:41:14] | sphery: | (the monster kitsune is a spirit fox) |
| [03:46:15] | ertyu: | any suggestions for an IR interface? I've got a programmable remote that can handle pretty much anything |
| [03:46:44] | sphery: | lots of people use the MCE remote |
| [03:46:53] | sphery: | has lots of buttons--which is a good thing |
| [03:47:21] | sphery: | (RC-6 based, if that's important) |
| [03:47:36] | ertyu: | anything that avoids lirc? |
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| [03:48:24] | sphery: | technically, you can use many IR remotes without LIRC, now, but I highly recommend against using any remote without LIRC |
| [03:48:47] | sphery: | most remotes will show up as keyboards, now, so you can just use them with whatever button mapping they provide |
| [03:48:48] | ertyu: | why is that? |
| [03:49:10] | sphery: | the main benefit of lirc, however, is abstracting action mappings (~/.lircrc) from button mappings (/etc/lircd.conf) |
| [03:49:48] | sphery: | i.e. you can change which button on your remote does what without either remapping keys in every application you use or remapping keys in X |
| [03:50:06] | ertyu: | I can remap them on my remote... |
| [03:50:50] | sphery: | that just changes place of keys |
| [03:51:41] | sphery: | what I'm talking about is someone decides that a button should send the key code for Alt+F1, so now you need to map that key code into each program |
| [03:51:49] | sphery: | with lirc, it sends actions, instead |
| [03:51:50] | ertyu: | got ya |
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| [03:52:23] | ertyu: | any IR keyboards still being made these days? |
| [03:53:01] | sphery: | so you just say, "if you get an Alt+F1, send an INFO to MythTV or a OSDStreamInfos to xine or a launch_setup to mplayer or ..." |
| [03:53:12] | sphery: | not sure |
| [03:53:43] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Programming_Remotes_as_Keyboards |
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| [03:53:54] | [R]: | ertyu: bluetooth |
| [03:54:00] | sphery: | though I think you want the opposite |
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| [03:55:32] | ertyu: | bluetooth is not what I'm looking for |
| [03:55:54] | ertyu: | I can't seem to convince lirc to talk to this serial receiver I have, so looking for something else |
| [03:56:09] | [R]: | is it homemade or did you buy it? |
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| [03:57:01] | ertyu: | it came with a pinnacle tv card |
| [03:57:34] | wagnerrp: | must be an ancient tv card |
| [03:57:53] | wagnerrp: | usually they would come with something that would wire into a 2.5" jack |
| [03:58:08] | ertyu: | I think thats the newest of my old tv tunners |
| [03:59:00] | ertyu: | lirc has a setting for it specifically |
| [04:00:18] | sphery: | ertyu: chances are your receiver only works with one protocol (my guess is RC-5) |
| [04:00:49] | sphery: | try setting up receiver and set remote to use Hauppauge remote definitions and see if it works |
| [04:01:04] | ertyu: | perhaps, but I couldn't get any output from the original remote |
| [04:02:27] | sphery: | ah, in that case, probably not a problem with remote protocol :) |
| [04:04:00] | ertyu: | no, I'm thinking its having trouble opening the port or something |
| [04:04:10] | ertyu: | but whatever, it sure is a pita to work with |
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| [05:35:13] | iamlindoro: | Therrrrre we go, nice 8 core Xeon mac all up and ready. |
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| [07:15:38] | slacker-: | hey guys, need a little help with the apache rewrite rules for mythweb |
| [07:16:31] | slacker-: | at the moment it's set up so that it automatically takes me to localhost/mythweb/ if I browse to localhost/. I'd like to change that |
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| [07:17:14] | slacker-: | running mythbuntu if that helps |
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| [07:18:49] | wagnerrp: | that sounds like theres a redirect somewhere |
| [07:18:56] | wagnerrp: | rather than anything to do with the rewrite rules |
| [07:19:23] | slacker-: | there's a DirectoryIndex mythweb in my default config |
| [07:19:37] | slacker-: | I thought that might be it but taking it out didn't make a difference |
| [07:19:44] | slacker-: | I'll try again, maybe I didn't reload |
| [07:20:37] | slacker-: | nope |
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| [07:23:22] | slacker-: | but you're right. the rewrite rules only apply to what's inside the mythweb directory |
| [07:25:18] | slacker-: | I greped for mythweb in /etc/apache but there's nothing that indicates a redirect |
| [07:36:56] | slacker-: | tried dpkg-reconfigure and telling it I don't want to use apache for mythweb exclusively. still does it |
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| [07:52:55] | evadecomms: | hello, need some help with the transcode_stub.py |
| [07:53:20] | wagnerrp: | shoot |
| [07:53:29] | evadecomms: | I would like to use HandBrakeCLI for the transcoder |
| [07:53:40] | evadecomms: | here's my goal |
| [07:54:37] | evadecomms: | Take original recordings, commflag them, use HandBrakeCLI to honor the cutlist and fully remove the commercials, transcode to the --preset="Iphone" format and .m4v file type, and have mythtv database updated |
| [07:55:01] | evadecomms: | I tried running all that as a userjob, but I cant seem to get the mythdatabase part correct |
| [07:56:00] | evadecomms: | I'm not too familiar with modifying the transcode_stub |
| [07:56:06] | wagnerrp: | do understand that it will transcode in-place |
| [07:56:14] | wagnerrp: | meaning it will replace whatever your original recording is |
| [07:56:18] | evadecomms: | yes, thats what I want, the orignal deleted |
| [07:56:29] | wagnerrp: | with the much reduced resolution transcoded version for you iphone |
| [07:57:00] | evadecomms: | that's ok for me since the iphone is pretty much the only thing I want to use to watch teh recordings |
| [07:57:03] | wagnerrp: | there are those two blocks outlined with ############### |
| [07:57:14] | wagnerrp: | put the path the handbrakecli in the one at the top |
| [07:57:21] | wagnerrp: | put your arguments in the one in the middle |
| [07:57:40] | wagnerrp: | and somewhere in between the two when it sets 'outfile', have it append an m4v rather than mkv |
| [07:57:54] | evadecomms: | one other caveat...... |
| [07:58:09] | evadecomms: | Right now I have a master backend / frontend, and a remote backend / frontend |
| [07:58:26] | evadecomms: | the remote backend / frontend was doing all my comflagging and previous transcoding |
| [07:58:37] | evadecomms: | would it still work? |
| [07:59:09] | wagnerrp: | each backend already runs an instance of the jobqueue |
| [07:59:28] | wagnerrp: | you can run additional instances on other machines with the mythjobqueue executable |
| [07:59:52] | wagnerrp: | the job must be set as allowed to run on each host you wish it to run on |
| [08:00:06] | wagnerrp: | thats in mythtv-setup, two pages previous to where you configured what the job was |
| [08:00:30] | wagnerrp: | also, for that particular job, the machine you run on must have read and write filesystem access to the content |
| [08:00:37] | wagnerrp: | it cannot access the content over mythproto |
| [08:00:48] | wagnerrp: | that means for any remote jobqueues, you need to set up NFS |
| [08:01:20] | evadecomms: | oh ok, I dont have that setup |
| [08:01:39] | evadecomms: | so for now Ill setup the master to run transcoding jobs and disable it on the remote backend |
| [08:01:54] | wagnerrp: | user jobs default to disabled |
| [08:03:34] | evadecomms: | I have a dumb question... I am using mythbuntu 11.10 how do i know where it is installed? |
| [08:03:46] | evadecomms: | where mythtv is install for the prefix |
| [08:03:48] | wagnerrp: | where what is installed? |
| [08:04:09] | wagnerrp: | why would it matter where mythtv is installed? |
| [08:04:24] | evadecomms: | its part of the transcode_stub |
| [08:04:29] | wagnerrp: | what is? |
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| [08:10:12] | evadecomms: | sorry about that, I was looking at the wrong script |
| [08:10:51] | evadecomms: | ok, so i want to cut out the commercials, flush_comskip = True then? |
| [08:11:09] | evadecomms: | build_seektable = True too? |
| [08:11:41] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [08:12:04] | wagnerrp: | flush_commskip just empties out the commercial skip data from the database |
| [08:12:25] | wagnerrp: | you would want to do that if you were clipping parts out during the transcode, or changing the framerate (or deinterlacing) |
| [08:12:41] | evadecomms: | oh ok |
| [08:12:42] | wagnerrp: | anything that would disrupt the frame order and make the commercial detection data invalid |
| [08:12:56] | wagnerrp: | mythtv stores an internal copy of the keyframe list, the seektable |
| [08:13:07] | wagnerrp: | its a basic map between byte locations and keyframes |
| [08:13:15] | wagnerrp: | allowing mythtv to make very fast and very accurate seeks |
| [08:13:26] | wagnerrp: | rather than the trial and error process most video players perform |
| [08:13:37] | wagnerrp: | when transcoding, that really should always get rebuild |
| [08:13:45] | wagnerrp: | which involves running 'mythcommflag --rebuild' |
| [08:14:44] | evadecomms: | ok, unfortunately I gotta go, hopefully I can ask you tomorrow |
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| [12:09:24] | Nede: | hi chat |
| [12:12:58] | Nede: | I have 3 channels in live tv not seen a full screen. I always change the horizontal expansion. but if i go out of live the problem returns. How do I set the default for the 3 channels? |
| [12:13:06] | Nede: | sorry for my broken english.... |
| [12:18:37] | Roklobsta: | nede: in TV playback settings General Playback(2/8) modify the Video aspect override. It's probably off, you can change it to 16:9. |
| [12:23:26] | Nede: | Roklobsta, thank's for your time! I have already set 16:9 and zoom disable |
| [12:54:59] | Nede: | I have 3 channels in live tv not seen a full screen. I always change the horizontal expansion. but if i go out of live the problem returns. How do I set the default for the 3 channels? Set in Video aspect override 16:9 and zoom disable not solved my problem. |
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| [12:59:42] | Seeker`: | do you have to change it every time you tune to that channel? |
| [12:59:52] | Seeker`: | or is it only when you start liveTV on that channel? |
| [13:01:01] | Nede: | Seeker`, thank's for your time. This problem is on live tv |
| [13:02:38] | Seeker`: | yes, you said :) Does the problem only happen if one of those 3 channels is the first channel you go to when you are watching liveTV? Or does it still happen if you go to another channel first and then change to one of the 'broken' ones? |
| [13:04:06] | Seeker`: | and does the horizontal expansion fix itself if you are on a broken channel, press S then enter |
| [13:05:01] | Nede: | Seeker`, :-)!!! Your second options!!!! |
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| [13:05:30] | Seeker`: | Nede: the S then enter? |
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| [13:05:59] | Nede: | Seeker`, I try, one moment.... |
| [13:07:00] | Nede: | Seeker`, key S open guide tv.......is correct? |
| [13:07:06] | Seeker`: | yes |
| [13:07:39] | Seeker`: | if you press s then enter, it should reload the channel you are currently watchimh |
| [13:07:45] | Seeker`: | *watching |
| [13:08:24] | Nede: | Seeker`, ok but not fix.... |
| [13:09:28] | Seeker`: | ah, my idea is wrong then, sorry :( |
| [13:09:54] | Nede: | Seeker`, not problem! Thank's for your time!!!!!!! :-)))) |
| [13:14:28] | russell5: | do alot of people use firewire to record? just wondering |
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| [13:45:25] | evadecomms: | hello |
| [13:45:53] | evadecomms: | I have a question on the transcode_stub.py |
| [13:47:29] | evadecomms: | I'd like to remove the commercials, and transcode with HandBrakeCLI using the --preset="iPhone" method |
| [13:48:02] | evadecomms: | delete the orignal recording, but have mythdatabase update so that another mythtvfrontend can play the newly transcoded .m4v files |
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| [13:53:56] | evadecomms: | Does anyone have an example for using transcode_stub.py with HandBrakeCLI ? |
| [13:54:24] | evadecomms: | or an example of using transcode_stub.py to cut out commercials from recordings? |
| [13:54:29] | Schabo: | What would be the optimal linux dist/version to run MythTV? I do not need to have a desktop, only the frontend started directly |
| [13:56:10] | evadecomms: | Schabo, if all you need is a front end look into minimyth |
| [13:56:24] | evadecomms: | I use mythbuntu and think it's pretty easy to setup |
| [13:56:28] | Schabo: | Yeah, a pure frontend is what I'm looking for |
| [13:56:37] | evadecomms: | minimyth is pretty much only a frontend |
| [13:56:45] | Schabo: | Perfect! |
| [13:57:04] | Schabo: | What dist is it based on? |
| [13:57:19] | evadecomms: | I think it's basically mythbuntu but cut down |
| [13:58:03] | evadecomms: | I take it back |
| [13:58:10] | evadecomms: | it predates ubuntu by years |
| [13:58:17] | Schabo: | oh? |
| [13:58:27] | Schabo: | Are there details on the wiki? |
| [13:58:57] | Schabo: | hmm, feels it's restricted to VIA hardware? |
| [13:59:15] | Schabo: | nevermind... |
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| [13:59:35] | evadecomms: | its not |
| [13:59:35] | Schabo: | I gotta read more before making sounds in public :) |
| [13:59:54] | evadecomms: | it started out as an EPIA distribution but it includes nvidia drivers, etc |
| [14:00:23] | evadecomms: | I doubt it even supports EPIA anymore since kernels including the Longhaul cpu scaler break compatibility with VIA cpus |
| [14:01:15] | evadecomms: | for the sake of simplicity you could burn a livecd of mythbuntu |
| [14:01:39] | Schabo: | I'm considering getting some Raspberry Pi:s for frontends... but the problem might be ARM based cpu |
| [14:01:40] | evadecomms: | install it, and be sure to set it up to automatically login and start the frontend, that is a checkbox somewhere during the install |
| [14:02:31] | evadecomms: | you can choose to not install a desktop environment |
| [14:03:51] | evadecomms: | If it's an ARM cpu, and its a frontend, is the ARM cpu decoding your video? |
| [14:04:07] | Schabo: | Nope, cpu is not doing decoding |
| [14:05:22] | Schabo: | it has a "Videcore 4 GPU", not sure what that is exactly, but it is capable of 1080p playback |
| [14:05:49] | Schabo: | 700MHz ARM cpu |
| [14:06:41] | Schabo: | 256Mb ram |
| [14:06:45] | evadecomms: | drivers for that Videcore 4 GPU would be critical... otherwise the decoding will be done by your cpu |
| [14:07:10] | evadecomms: | how much does this thing cost? |
| [14:07:21] | Schabo: | $35 =) |
| [14:07:26] | evadecomms: | ah.... |
| [14:07:32] | Schabo: | http://www.raspberrypi.org |
| [14:07:54] | dekarl_zZz: | you will likely be restricted to 320x240 (or thereabout) video due to missing support for the video acceleration |
| [14:08:08] | Schabo: | That would suck though |
| [14:08:20] | dekarl_zZz: | and the frontend not being optimized for memory you'll likely be trashing at only 256MB memory |
| [14:08:27] | evadecomms: | my mythtv frontend is a cheapo AM2 motherboard with a sempron 140 unlocked to a dualcore with a 2GB stick of ddr2 ram in an old case I had. I think it cost me $100 or so |
| [14:09:42] | Schabo: | Only reason I'm considering the R Pi is of the size and low power, no fans and also cost. Would be easy to hide in the kitchen :) |
| [14:12:06] | dekarl_zZz: | but any patches for optimizing the frontend to better support OpenGL ES2 and the various video acceleration APIs is appreciated (if you are a developer) :D |
| [14:12:57] | Schabo: | I wish I was a dev |
| [14:13:19] | Schabo: | Just a geek with too much time on my hands :) |
| [14:13:55] | evadecomms: | I am a developer for microcontrollers, even the STM32F103, an ARM Cortex cpu |
| [14:14:03] | evadecomms: | I wouldnt put mythtv on that though haha |
| [14:14:59] | Schabo: | =) |
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| [14:16:08] | evadecomms: | are you in the US schabo? |
| [14:16:18] | Schabo: | Nah, in Sweden.. |
| [14:18:29] | evadecomms: | oh, well I'm asking because I bought this for my backend through ebay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/180776313900?ssPageNa . . . .m1439.l2649 |
| [14:19:01] | evadecomms: | it's an atom330 motherboard for $40 |
| [14:19:22] | evadecomms: | only thing is it needs a videocard to be an effective frontend |
| [14:19:46] | evadecomms: | so you'd need a PCI, not pci-e videocard like the 8400gs or better |
| [14:20:13] | Schabo: | Havn't used a PCI card in years :) |
| [14:20:33] | Schabo: | Those are hard to find these days |
| [14:20:45] | evadecomms: | yeah, they aren't that cheap either |
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| [14:21:39] | Schabo: | For the backend I have several suitable machines, the frontend is the problem... Want it to be small and silent |
| [14:28:31] | Schabo: | Perhaps a motherboard with an Atom CPU and ION-2 gpu would be a good frontend |
| [14:31:56] | Schabo: | Something like: ASUS AT5IONT-I ATOM D525 ION2 MINI-ITX DVI/HDMI |
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| [15:02:29] | helptranscode: | hello, I'm having some trrouble with a customized transcode_stub.py |
| [15:03:15] | helptranscode: | anyone have any experience using that script? |
| [15:05:13] | helptranscode: | I'm getting a local access to recordings not found error? |
| [15:05:58] | helptranscode: | the file name is 1731_20120122020000 so that should be chanid 1731 and starttime 20120122020000 |
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| [15:23:06] | helptranscode: | can anyone help me out with identifying why the chanid and starttimes are coming up invalid? |
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| [15:50:07] | ubuntuaddicted: | morning |
| [15:50:09] | ubuntuaddicted: | morning, I am getting this error in mythweb: Unexpected response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION '23056' |
| [15:50:28] | ubuntuaddicted: | i am running .23.1+fixes from the mythbuntu repo |
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| [16:40:47] | wagnerrp: | helptranscode: are you just doing this for the purposes of testing? |
| [16:41:01] | wagnerrp: | because when actually using it, it is much easier to just supply the %JOBID% |
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| [16:43:52] | wagnerrp: | stuartm: uh oh... youve done it now |
| [16:44:11] | stuartm: | !? |
| [16:44:28] | wagnerrp: | look at what you put on the wiki |
| [16:44:34] | stuartm: | oh |
| [16:44:37] | wagnerrp: | heh |
| [16:45:09] | wagnerrp: | and wait... 0.24.2? when did that happen? |
| [16:45:10] | stuartm: | I did wonder how long it would take before that was noticed |
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| [16:45:55] | stuartm: | earlier today (although I'm waiting on xris/beirdo to restore my root privs so I can actually make the files available and post the news item) |
| [16:46:43] | wagnerrp: | i didnt actually know there was any plan to do a .2 |
| [16:47:07] | wagnerrp: | if theyre still asleep, i may be able to |
| [16:47:15] | wagnerrp: | are you talking actual root privs? or just sudo? |
| [16:47:24] | stuartm: | it was always the plan to do regular point releases, but I fell behind :) |
| [16:47:32] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: sudo will do |
| [16:47:42] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: wheel |
| [16:47:51] | stuartm: | on alcor |
| [16:47:57] | wagnerrp: | oh... alcor |
| [16:48:04] | wagnerrp: | dont know if im set up on that |
| [16:48:10] | jams: | i can do it |
| [16:48:15] | jams: | one moment |
| [16:48:36] | stuartm: | the configs weren't carried over when they reformatted |
| [16:48:58] | wagnerrp: | rwagner is not in the sudoers file |
| [16:49:01] | wagnerrp: | ... seems that would be a no |
| [16:49:17] | jams: | stuartm- log out, login and try again |
| [16:50:03] | stuartm: | jams: that did the trick, thank you |
| [16:50:14] | jams: | np |
| [16:50:36] | wagnerrp: | jams: i mentioned to beirdo id like to get smolt moved over to alcor in the near term |
| [16:50:50] | jams: | it's all setup |
| [16:50:51] | wagnerrp: | just so we have a chance to see some results, and potentially make changes before the release |
| [16:51:05] | jams: | just need someone to finish the apache config and DNS change |
| [16:51:12] | wagnerrp: | right, i figured it was just a matter of altering the DNS |
| [16:51:47] | jams: | I can even do the apache config, although really if you wanted it RIGHT NOW the apache proxy could be changed on new.mythtv.org |
| [16:52:17] | wagnerrp: | no, not 'right now' |
| [16:52:33] | wagnerrp: | just near term, like some time in the next week |
| [16:53:26] | jams: | makes sense |
| [16:53:27] | wagnerrp: | should give two months to tweak what gets pulled from the client |
| [16:53:49] | jams: | i actually might have changed the proxy by now, but I don't have sudo on 'new' :) |
| [16:54:39] | wagnerrp: | well i can help you there, if you like |
| [16:55:35] | jams: | no need. I figure as long as it's done before .25 is out and people are really submitting data |
| [16:57:09] | jams: | there are a few things I would like to change in the ui of the client. But always seem to find something more interesting to spend spare time on. |
| [16:58:48] | wagnerrp: | sphery: if youre intending to remove the 'import skiplist' capacity in edit mode, you may want to snag and/or close #10275 |
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| [17:01:10] | jams: | man this roll up keyboard is awful to use. It's like typing on the old Tandy machines that had the rubber keyboard protector on it. |
| [17:02:26] | wagnerrp: | heh, my sister had a hard, scissor keyboard that folded in thirds about the size of a thick smartphone |
| [17:04:44] | jams: | thats sounds good. Mostly want it for quick hookups for debugging stuff |
| [17:05:09] | wagnerrp: | although this one specifically had a dock for her Palm |
| [17:05:19] | jams: | had a tiny usb one, but i dropped it and broke the corner and a few keys |
| [17:05:28] | wagnerrp: | ive not seen one with a USB/PS2/BT connection |
| [17:06:03] | jams: | same here, but so far BT wouldn't do me much good |
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| [19:05:08] | wagnerrp: | jams: still around? |
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| [19:05:50] | Azelphur: | May have been asked before, but has anyone heard anything about MythTV on the raspberry pi? should it be possible? |
| [19:06:00] | Azelphur: | I notice they have XBMC running, so I'm guessing it probably is |
| [19:06:22] | wagnerrp: | mythfrontend will run on the raspberry pi |
| [19:06:37] | wagnerrp: | theres little processor, and even less memory, so it wont run well |
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| [19:06:59] | wagnerrp: | there is no video decode capability besides the hardware decoder, which mythtv does not currently support, so playback is out of the question |
| [19:07:00] | Azelphur: | Even just as a dedicated frontend with nothing else running? |
| [19:07:07] | Azelphur: | oh :( |
| [19:07:26] | Azelphur: | are there plans to support it in the future? |
| [19:07:49] | wagnerrp: | the little 700MHz ARM A7 is every bit as powerful as a late-90s midrange desktop |
| [19:07:49] | ** Peitolm is looking forward to getting an R_pi, despite wagnerrp's objections he believes it will work ** | |
| [19:08:19] | wagnerrp: | so whatever you think you could play on such an old machine, you could play on a raspberry pi |
| [19:08:42] | Azelphur: | It's really all about the software, I mean I can play all kinds of videos on my phone that has lower specs than the pi |
| [19:08:49] | wagnerrp: | that would be... a PII at about half the clock rate |
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| [19:09:06] | Peitolm: | not just the software, most of he R_pi power comes from the video offload |
| [19:09:06] | wagnerrp: | yes, you can play all kinds of videos on your phone because of the hardware video decoder |
| [19:09:12] | wagnerrp: | without support for the hardware video decoder, youre boned |
| [19:09:20] | Azelphur: | indeed |
| [19:09:30] | Azelphur: | so it's just a case of software supporting the hardware video decoder really |
| [19:09:41] | wagnerrp: | and until such time as support for the decoder is written in mythtv, youre boned |
| [19:09:50] | wagnerrp: | for the most part, yes |
| [19:09:58] | wagnerrp: | but beyond that, there is the memory requirement issue |
| [19:10:00] | Azelphur: | indeed, I get that :P |
| [19:10:10] | Peitolm: | (or ther's the external media player option |
| [19:10:30] | wagnerrp: | mythtv does not support external media players |
| [19:10:30] | Azelphur: | Peitolm: ah, good idea |
| [19:10:30] | wagnerrp: | so thats not an option |
| [19:10:44] | Azelphur: | I'm sure I saw an option for that? |
| [19:10:48] | Peitolm: | same her |
| [19:11:00] | ** Peitolm was doing a config this afternoon and saw it ** | |
| [19:11:25] | wagnerrp: | im not saying mythtv _cant_ run on the raspberry pi, im saying its of no use on one without a significant amount of effort |
| [19:11:46] | wagnerrp: | Peitolm: and if you look on the wiki, youll see the implications with respect to content access, and plans for removal |
| [19:12:09] | Azelphur: | probably right, but perhaps it's time for a bit of optimisation |
| [19:12:11] | wagnerrp: | recording playback has never supported external players |
| [19:12:23] | Azelphur: | >256MB RAM requirement for a frontend is a bit much |
| [19:12:35] | Peitolm: | it's videos that support the externa; player |
| [19:13:02] | wagnerrp: | and which mythvideo currently supports external players, it is migrating towards streaming the content from the backend |
| [19:13:19] | Peitolm: | i think there's a lot of people who want it to happen, and i'm sure that someone will look at it in more depth as soon as they get there hands on one |
| [19:13:45] | Azelphur: | Peitolm: yea, I reckon it probably will happen at some point |
| [19:14:02] | Azelphur: | I saw a video demonstrating XBMC running on one, so the hardware is capable of doing similar tasks :p |
| [19:14:11] | wagnerrp: | and there are only two ways an external player could be supported, if we could give it the URI and it would stream it on its own, or if someone rigs up some LD_PRELOAD_PATH magic and overrides the standard file access routines |
| [19:14:14] | Peitolm: | I'd rather see a native myth than a broken xbmc interfacing with a myth backend |
| [19:14:28] | Azelphur: | Peitolm: ditto |
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| [19:18:48] | wagnerrp: | Peitolm: chances are the external player will remain in mythvideo, but its configuration reduced down to one single alternate (rather than specifying globally, per filetype, and per file) |
| [19:18:54] | wagnerrp: | it will only work when manually specified from the menu, not default |
| [19:19:17] | wagnerrp: | and it will only be available if mythtv detects the file is available on the local filesystem |
| [19:20:07] | wagnerrp: | for the recommended setup where content is stored on one or more backends, and the frontends to not have to use any form of NFS or CIFS to access it |
| [19:20:11] | wagnerrp: | external players simply wont function |
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| [19:20:42] | sid3windr: | hmm |
| [19:20:50] | swerve: | my backend keeps dying. last msg in the log is: |
| [19:20:54] | swerve: | terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::bad_alloc' what(): std::bad_alloc |
| [19:21:07] | sid3windr: | so myth supporting that one broadcom card from a few years ago required specific support for that chip in myth itself? there is no real standard linux video acceleration api then ;/ |
| [19:21:18] | wagnerrp: | what version? can we see more logs? |
| [19:21:32] | wagnerrp: | sid3windr: there are several linux "standards" |
| [19:21:38] | sid3windr: | yeah, like vdpau I guess |
| [19:22:11] | swerve: | v0.24.1+ |
| [19:22:12] | wagnerrp: | youve got basic Xv which just does scaling and colorspace, the antiquated XvMC no longer available in modern cards |
| [19:22:33] | wagnerrp: | then there's nVidia's VDPAU, Intel's VAAPI, AMD's XvBA |
| [19:22:50] | wagnerrp: | and then youve got individual decoders like the CrystalHD line |
| [19:22:58] | sid3windr: | is there some kind of translation library you can delegate that stuff to, or does myth have to support all those things separately? |
| [19:23:17] | wagnerrp: | and then you have closed decoders hidden behind NDAs like the SigmaDesigns stuff |
| [19:23:59] | swerve: | shoot – now my server is locked up after starting it |
| [19:24:05] | wagnerrp: | the closest thing to a cross-platform, cross-hardware library is OpenMAX, put forth by the Kronos group (opengl people) |
| [19:24:11] | wagnerrp: | but i dont think that has any significant uptake outside the mobile market |
| [19:24:12] | swerve: | keeps dying/locking up every few days |
| [19:24:38] | wagnerrp: | to be honest, i dont know if it is intended for use outside the mobile market |
| [19:24:41] | swerve: | will have to restart server b4 I can get the logs, sorry, BBL |
| [19:24:57] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [19:25:12] | sid3windr: | I guess it would somehow be better, though you're then depending on yet another thing to stay maintained etc |
| [19:25:27] | sid3windr: | but having to add support for each and every decoder inventing their own system sounds like a lot of work |
| [19:25:38] | wagnerrp: | and that has worked out so well in the past |
| [19:25:45] | sid3windr: | hehe |
| [19:26:00] | wagnerrp: | opengl stagnated for years, before directx came and took their market away |
| [19:26:46] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [19:28:18] | wagnerrp: | but to be honest, you dont have to rely on a specification to stay maintained |
| [19:28:27] | wagnerrp: | its a specification, there is no code to maintain |
| [19:29:22] | wagnerrp: | as long as you have the middleware to translate the specification calls to the low level stuff on the firmware, youre fine |
| [19:29:23] | wagnerrp: | middleware being the drivers |
| [19:29:36] | sid3windr: | yea |
| [19:29:49] | wagnerrp: | the problem is when it doesnt get updates to support new codecs and new capabilities offered by the underlying hardware |
| [19:29:50] | sid3windr: | was just thinking of another middleware in between :) |
| [19:30:27] | wagnerrp: | well youve got kernel middleware, and userland middleware |
| [19:30:52] | wagnerrp: | but its all just stuff that sits between the application, and the firmware running on the hardware |
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| [19:31:08] | wagnerrp: | potentially in multiple layers |
| [19:31:40] | wagnerrp: | i.e. AMD stuff uses XvBA |
| [19:31:55] | wagnerrp: | but until relatively recently, XvBA was undocumented and inaccessible |
| [19:32:14] | wagnerrp: | so you had to access it from another translation layer converting VAAPI calls to XvBA calls |
| [19:32:34] | wagnerrp: | of course the whole stack was a contrived mess that rarely worked |
| [19:32:36] | wagnerrp: | but thats besides the point |
| [19:33:45] | birk_: | just joining in... i see there is some transcode_stub & handbrake discussion recently... |
| [19:34:03] | birk_: | wagnerrp, you may recall you helped me out with this a few weeks back |
| [19:34:25] | wagnerrp: | i recall helping a couple people, not any particular instance |
| [19:34:54] | birk_: | well then i'll keep my newbieness a secret... |
| [19:35:00] | birk_: | very close to done, and i wonder if this is the source of my DB & cleanup problems... |
| [19:35:13] | birk_: | the HandBrakeCLI processes don't seem to be exiting gracefully |
| [19:35:34] | wagnerrp: | define 'gracefully' |
| [19:36:30] | birk_: | i was checking it out Thursday night, as it was about an hour past the end of a 30min show and hand't yet started... |
| [19:36:53] | birk_: | looking in 'top' or 'ps' i saw about 30 processes sitting there |
| [19:37:06] | wagnerrp: | the script will abort the whole thing prior to modifying anything in the database |
| [19:37:15] | wagnerrp: | so long as the process exits with any code other than 0 |
| [19:38:00] | birk_: | well, when nothing was running i kicked off the transcode script on my 30min show, and it finished a few hours later (!) but that HandBrakeCLI process is still sitting there |
| [19:38:30] | wagnerrp: | then handbrake must have spawned off another child process and detached it |
| [19:39:01] | wagnerrp: | because that script just sits there and dutifully waits until the handbrakecli instance it called terminates |
| [19:39:45] | sid3windr: | wagnerrp: thanks for the info, I now know a bit more about hardware accel on linux :) |
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| [19:41:35] | birk_: | oh man this is worse than i thought |
| [19:41:59] | birk_: | it looks like it is re-running the same job on the same recording |
| [19:42:20] | birk_: | hah what a cluster!!! |
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| [20:12:11] | Technophil: | wagnerrp: That's a really kewl summary thanks! Where do android phones like the Samsung Galaxy Note fit in here? Will mythweb come to play on them? |
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| [20:13:23] | wagnerrp: | the planned route for such things is something to do with the new transcoding interface built into the Services API |
| [20:13:54] | wagnerrp: | it supports proper chunked streaming for use with flash, html5, and other similar mechanisms |
| [20:14:49] | wagnerrp: | use will either be through mythweb or other server, or directly though a native app |
| [20:15:05] | wagnerrp: | one of the devs is developing such an app for the ipad |
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| [20:19:34] | Technophil: | I am guessing that is beyond 0.25 then? |
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| [20:20:11] | wagnerrp: | hopefully for 0.25 |
| [20:20:52] | Technophil: | Gosh thanks, you dev's are amazing. |
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| [21:29:32] | ubuntuaddicted: | curious if anyone can help with a mythproto error. i know I run mythbuntu and you may not be able to help but I thought I would ask. |
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| [21:35:11] | Seeker`: | ubuntuaddicted: what is the full error? |
| [21:38:24] | ubuntuaddicted: | ok, 1 second |
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| [21:47:29] | wagnerrp: | its been like 600 |
| [21:48:13] | ubuntuaddicted: | sorry |
| [21:48:18] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [21:48:32] | ubuntuaddicted: | actually everything appears to be working for some reason after a restart |
| [21:48:41] | ubuntuaddicted: | so, as always. thanks for the help. ;-) |
| [21:48:45] | Seeker`: | it'll be that the backend was deadlocked |
| [21:48:53] | Seeker`: | and a restart de-deadlocked it |
| [21:49:07] | ubuntuaddicted: | funny thing is, I am still on analog tv. TWC still transmits analog over the internet line. |
| [21:49:13] | ubuntuaddicted: | cool |
| [21:49:22] | Seeker`: | I get it on mythbuntu after upgrades. It also seems that sudo service mythbackend stop doesn't always work either |
| [21:49:27] | wagnerrp: | funny thing is, the internet is digital |
| [21:49:27] | ubuntuaddicted: | now i know for next time. I had restarted my server for over a year |
| [21:49:34] | ubuntuaddicted: | LOL |
| [21:49:37] | wagnerrp: | it is impossible to transmit analog data over the internet |
| [21:49:45] | ubuntuaddicted: | well, i am |
| [21:49:51] | ubuntuaddicted: | i mean, TWC is |
| [21:50:01] | ubuntuaddicted: | i get channels 3 thru 99 |
| [21:50:08] | ubuntuaddicted: | PVR-350 and PVR-500 still work just fine |
| [21:50:30] | Seeker`: | ubuntuaddicted: he means that it has to be digitised to send it down an ADSL line |
| [21:50:35] | wagnerrp: | are you saying you only have RoadRunner internet, not cable, but the analog cable channels are still active? |
| [21:51:12] | ubuntuaddicted: | correct sir |
| [21:51:31] | ubuntuaddicted: | my bill only has high speed internet charge as well as digital phone. NO cable |
| [21:51:48] | ubuntuaddicted: | hence, why I have not gone digital yet with my 3 tuner setup |
| [21:52:15] | ubuntuaddicted: | saving money for the 2 digital tuner LAN device. forget the name all of a sudden |
| [21:52:17] | wagnerrp: | all that means is preventing you from accessing those channels is not worth their material and labor cost to send a lineman out and install band filters |
| [21:52:25] | ubuntuaddicted: | i know |
| [21:52:35] | wagnerrp: | there is no such device that will work with time warner |
| [21:52:48] | ubuntuaddicted: | when i canceled the cable they said there was no need to come install a filter. i said, "OK" and smiled widely to myself |
| [21:53:00] | ubuntuaddicted: | wagnerrp, im talking about free ota signals |
| [21:53:06] | ubuntuaddicted: | antenna in my attic |
| [21:53:09] | ubuntuaddicted: | :-) |
| [21:56:42] | ubuntuaddicted: | take care guys |
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| [22:04:42] | LTHorn: | hello all |
| [22:06:15] | helptranscode: | hello all |
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| [22:06:37] | LTHorn: | copy cat |
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| [22:06:48] | helptranscode: | Ok, I tried the transcode_stub.py with %JOBID% and with directly supplying what i thought were CHANID and STARTTIMEs |
| [22:06:54] | helptranscode: | i keep getting dumped out |
| [22:07:06] | helptranscode: | Local access to recording not found. |
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| [22:10:47] | helptranscode: | I also tried transcode_stub.py from the command line when logging in as user mythtv |
| [22:10:50] | helptranscode: | still same error |
| [22:10:58] | LTHorn: | anyone know how i can install .25 pre release? |
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| [22:12:22] | helptranscode: | If you're using ubuntu: http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/ppas/95 |
| [22:13:10] | LTHorn: | ive tried that, and it doesn't seem to be doing it. it installs a 80 kb file and then is done |
| [22:13:23] | helptranscode: | that file is a ppa for ubuntu |
| [22:13:45] | LTHorn: | yeah, install the ppa then update the listing then install mythtv right? |
| [22:14:28] | helptranscode: | that sounds right |
| [22:14:41] | LTHorn: | yeah, it wasnt working |
| [22:15:44] | helptranscode: | are the mythtv file names in /var/lib/mythtv/recordings named CHANID_STARTTIME ? |
| [22:16:01] | stuartm: | yes |
| [22:16:16] | helptranscode: | Cause I tried: pkexec --user mythtv x264trans.py --chanid 1731 --starttime 20120122020000 where x264trans.py is my modified transcode_stub.py |
| [22:16:27] | helptranscode: | and the script does not seem to find the recordings |
| [22:16:47] | helptranscode: | the file name was 1731_20120122020000.mpg |
| [22:17:42] | helptranscode: | The error is Local access to recording not found. |
| [22:18:10] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: ^^ |
| [22:18:25] | helptranscode: | in the script I think that means either the CHANID or STARTTIME is wrong |
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| [22:23:29] | LTHorn: | how can i display the version of mythtv i am running? |
| [22:24:25] | [R]: | mythfrontend --versino |
| [22:24:29] | [R]: | mythbackend --version |
| [22:24:32] | LTHorn: | ty |
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| [22:27:32] | LTHorn: | gaah i just want my infinitv 4 to work! |
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| [22:31:15] | helptranscode: | Instead of the ceton product, I bought the HDHomerun prime |
| [22:31:43] | helptranscode: | on 0.24.1 it's a little hokey to setup the channel listings, but it does work |
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| [22:32:00] | LTHorn: | the hdhomerun or the ceton? |
| [22:32:01] | trumee: | is planning to try mythtv on raspberrypi? |
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| [22:32:04] | helptranscode: | the hdhomerun |
| [22:32:12] | helptranscode: | no drivers needed |
| [22:32:12] | trumee: | *anybody |
| [22:32:33] | LTHorn: | ah. well i know that people have gotten the infinitv to work with myth, i'm just not one of the lucky few |
| [22:32:37] | helptranscode: | trumee no video drivers for decoding video, until that happens it aint gonna work |
| [22:32:44] | LTHorn: | that's why i'm trying to get .25 because it works with that |
| [22:33:23] | trumee: | helptranscode, seems they have xbmc running using openmax or sthing. |
| [22:35:27] | helptranscode: | If they've got a driver to decode the video, then that's a great start |
| [22:36:05] | stuartm: | trumee: there is interest among the devs, yes, we currently have no openmax video decoding/rendering support though so that's the major hurdle |
| [22:36:41] | LTHorn: | i just cant seem to figure out why .25 isn't installing |
| [22:38:31] | stuartm: | trumee: obviously the more devs with a board to play with the more likely the necessary work is to get done :) |
| [22:39:28] | trumee: | stuartm, guess it is still not in the market yet |
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| [22:40:31] | stuartm: | no, they've only just started production and won't be selling anything until they've built up stock levels – even then the first production run is expected to sell out quickly, there's no guarantee that everyone who wants one will get it |
| [22:41:42] | helptranscode: | Are there any plans to makeover MythExport? |
| [22:42:16] | iamlindoro: | MythExport isn't a mythtv-produced tool |
| [22:42:22] | iamlindoro: | so you'd to ask it's author |
| [22:42:31] | iamlindoro: | s/it's/its/ |
| [22:42:37] | helptranscode: | ah ok, didn't realize that |
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| [22:43:47] | sphery: | we could set up a raspberry pi buildbot. should be able to do one build per dev cycle...maybe? |
| [22:43:59] | [R]: | HAHA |
| [22:44:34] | stuartm: | sphery: heh, we'd want to limit it to building after every Nth commit ;) |
| [22:44:40] | iamlindoro: | sphery: I don't think there's any question about it building on Raspberry Strudel, it's about the experience not being a nightmare ;) |
| [22:45:49] | sphery: | wagnerrp: thanks for the heads up on #10275. I wasn't planning on removing the functionality for those who want to build cut lists wrong, but was gonig to make it unnecessary for those of us who take the time to learn to do it right :). I'll probably leave the ticket with Captain_Murdoch since he had suggested a different approach on list |
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| [22:47:10] | sphery: | iamlindoro: yeah, both building and use would be a nightmare at this point |
| [22:47:16] | sphery: | a very long, slow nightmare |
| [22:47:34] | iamlindoro: | I daresay a cross-compile that would work on Raspberry Turnover would be trivial |
| [22:47:49] | sphery: | yeah, probably much better approach, too |
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| [22:48:17] | sphery: | trying to figure out what else I could say to make iamlindoro mention it, again... wondering if we'll hit cobbler soon |
| [22:48:56] | iamlindoro: | Trying to find a way to make Raspberry Tart not seem sexual |
| [22:49:00] | sphery: | hehe |
| [22:49:10] | sid3windr: | Raspberry Fruitcake? :P |
| [22:49:32] | awalls: | Lookup the cockney rhyming slang |
| [22:49:37] | wagnerrp: | no one likes a fruitcake |
| [22:49:57] | sphery: | the worst part is now I have to decide whether to go make myself a nice pie... don't think I have enough raspberries (and wouldn't want to waste them on a pie, anyway), but have cherries and gooseberries |
| [22:50:22] | sphery: | (though I've been saving the gooseberries because I haven't found a place that sells them in a year and a half) |
| [22:50:52] | iamlindoro: | Gooseberry Tart definitely sounds sexual |
| [22:51:15] | awalls: | Aren't gooseberry's poisonous if not ripe? |
| [22:51:24] | awalls: | /gooseberries/ |
| [22:51:34] | sphery: | if so, it seems all the canned ones I've had were ripe |
| [22:51:39] | iamlindoro: | Did your gooseberry supplier die under strange toxic circumstances? |
| [22:51:41] | LTHorn: | sphery i'm trying to install .25 from the ppa and its not working. ideas? |
| [22:51:42] | sphery: | (they don't grow so well here in Florida) |
| [22:51:54] | sphery: | LTHorn: stick with stable, perhaps? :) |
| [22:52:01] | sphery: | what's "not working" |
| [22:52:05] | iamlindoro: | Or see the people who actually product the packages for help |
| [22:52:05] | wagnerrp: | use the source instead? |
| [22:52:14] | iamlindoro: | s/product/produce/ |
| [22:52:16] | LTHorn: | where can i get the source to compile? |
| [22:52:37] | sphery: | iamlindoro: pretty much... Albertsons closed down all their stores around here |
| [22:52:49] | LTHorn: | as of right now after i install the ppa >update apt-get> and then try to install it it just install a 80kb file and then finishes |
| [22:53:04] | iamlindoro: | Pretty sure you're missing a step |
| [22:53:09] | sphery: | perhaps that's the "optimized for Atom" build? |
| [22:53:18] | iamlindoro: | specifically, the one where you use dpkg-reconfigure to set which version you want to be running |
| [22:53:26] | iamlindoro: | but you really should ask for that help in #ubuntu-mythtv |
| [22:53:36] | sphery: | just pops up a black screen... users think, "well, it's probably my slow system" |
| [22:53:49] | wagnerrp: | sphery: is that the one with all but the VDPAU decoder disabled? |
| [22:53:53] | LTHorn: | i can pop over there if thats where i should be |
| [22:54:00] | sphery: | LTHorn: yeah, the most help I can give is a link to: http://www.mythbuntu.org/repos |
| [22:54:13] | sphery: | I don't know *buntu |
| [22:54:36] | iamlindoro: | Only know SpherMyth? |
| [22:54:43] | sphery: | hehe |
| [22:54:50] | iamlindoro: | Powerful, but tiny install base |
| [22:54:51] | stuartm: | sphery: heh, I grow Gooseberries here, but I'm not sure I'd be able to ship a supply over :) |
| [22:55:04] | sphery: | stuartm: I'm jealous |
| [22:55:14] | sphery: | they're the one thing that would make me consider living in a cold climate |
| [22:55:30] | iamlindoro: | Does it help if I see them all the time at the local farmer's markets? |
| [22:56:13] | sphery: | the worst part is that the other supermarkets around here have about all the other varieties of Oregon brand canned berries |
| [22:56:26] | sphery: | they just don't want me to have my gooseberreis |
| [22:56:50] | sphery: | but iamlindoro is making me wonder if they could possibly be even better fresh... |
| [22:57:15] | stuartm: | in fact I grow Gooseberries, Raspberries (red and golden), Strawberries, Blueberries, Blackberries, Blackcurrants, Redcurrants, Whitecurrants, Tayberries, Pears, Plums, Apples and Cherries |
| [22:57:24] | stuartm: | I think that's the lot ... |
| [22:57:29] | iamlindoro: | Well, it helps to live in one of the few nexuses of all possible climates |
| [22:57:37] | awalls: | I can find elderberries raspberries, blackberries, and paw-paws growing wild around here (Southern MD). |
| [22:57:42] | sphery: | never heard of tayberries... will have to try those |
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| [22:58:26] | sphery: | haven't heard of paw paws, either, but I don't think these are the ones awalls eats: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paw_Paws |
| [22:58:32] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Best variation yet: Raspberry Fool: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruit_fool |
| [22:58:37] | stuartm: | sphery: blackberry/raspberry hybrid – like loganberry |
| [22:58:54] | wagnerrp: | is that the self healing kind? |
| [22:59:00] | sphery: | hehe, I had forgotten about fools... perfect name |
| [22:59:07] | stuartm: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tayberry |
| [22:59:16] | awalls: | The wild paw-paws are hit or miss on flavor. Good ones can be obtained from this guy: http://petersonpawpaws.com/ |
| [22:59:30] | stuartm: | oh, and grapes (just not too successfully) |
| [22:59:34] | iamlindoro: | Added an 8 core Xeon under the desk last night-- it's toasty in here |
| [22:59:40] | stuartm: | I'm thinking of trying Chinese Wineberry |
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| [22:59:56] | sphery: | stuartm: so do they taste very similar to loganberries? |
| [23:00:46] | awalls: | sphery: Every notable bear story I've heard begins something like "so we saw these two cubs..." |
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| [23:01:33] | sphery: | awalls: seems we have a four-petal pawpaw in FL... Well, more specifically, there are 17 known occurrences of the plant, all in FL. |
| [23:01:50] | stuartm: | sphery: I find them to be nicer, although I've never done a side by side comparison (something I plan to try this year) |
| [23:02:14] | sphery: | cool... I'll watch for them |
| [23:03:15] | awalls: | sphery: The Paw Paw that lives up the east coast (into NY) is Asiminia Triloba, the only termperate memebr of a tropical family of plants. |
| [23:03:33] | awalls: | 17 different kinds in FL doesn't surprise me. |
| [23:04:02] | sphery: | no, 17 remaining stands of the extremely rare variety left in FL |
| [23:04:08] | awalls: | Ah. |
| [23:04:37] | sphery: | basically it relies on fires to clear out intruders, but with fire suppression efforts, it's dying off |
| [23:04:58] | awalls: | The things don't reproduce well, as it uses flies and beetles as pollinators. |
| [23:05:10] | awalls: | (The flower smells awful). |
| [23:05:16] | sphery: | at least yours--which produce useful/edible fruit--aren't endangered |
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| [23:06:28] | mangus580: | need help setting up storage directories if anyone is here... |
| [23:06:48] | mangus580: | I have a directory name with a space in it – but i cant get myth to agree that it exists when I escape the space |
| [23:07:02] | mangus580: | example: /data/files/Kids\ Movies/ |
| [23:07:04] | mangus580: | it cant find |
| [23:07:04] | wagnerrp: | so dont escape the space |
| [23:07:07] | sphery: | don't escape it? |
| [23:07:12] | stuartm: | ^^ ++ |
| [23:07:16] | mangus580: | hmmm didnt think that worked either |
| [23:07:17] | mangus580: | lemme check |
| [23:07:17] | sphery: | escaping is for shells |
| [23:07:27] | stuartm: | and dumb apps |
| [23:07:52] | wagnerrp: | what app with a UI requires you to escape paths? |
| [23:08:08] | mangus580: | well, I have one directory it doesnt like |
| [23:08:15] | mangus580: | and that one threw me off |
| [23:08:21] | mangus580: | this one is /data/files/TV Shows/ |
| [23:08:28] | stuartm: | it's infuriating that MakeMKV when give a filename format including spaces then replaces those spaces with underscores >:( |
| [23:08:37] | wagnerrp: | mangus580: you probably dont want to do what youre doing |
| [23:08:52] | mangus580: | wagnerrp: can you elaborate? ;-) |
| [23:08:58] | sphery: | stuartm: so, I was going to ask you if you wanted to open Terra up to the Theme Teams idea to let others, like, allesmueller, a chance to improve on it, but allesmueller disappeared from #mythtv while I was typing the question |
| [23:09:14] | wagnerrp: | mythvideo will merge together all the paths that you give it |
| [23:09:15] | stuartm: | sphery: I'd be delighted |
| [23:09:44] | wagnerrp: | meaning all the files and folders in both TV Shows and Kids Movies will be merged into a single root |
| [23:09:47] | sphery: | stuartm: I was thinking if others are interested in working on/maintaining it, we could open up a new repo somewhere--like on github or sourceforge or google code--for them to work on it, and we could occasionally merge it into our branch |
| [23:09:59] | wagnerrp: | storage groups are more intended to allow you to define content on multiple disks and multiple filesystems |
| [23:10:01] | mangus580: | oops last time around I left /files/ out of the tv shows |
| [23:10:05] | wagnerrp: | rather than multiple folders in a single filesystem |
| [23:10:24] | mangus580: | Ok? then whats the best method of going about video organization for mythvideo? |
| [23:10:47] | wagnerrp: | if you want those to show up as separate paths, you would want to put them in a single 'videos' folder |
| [23:10:56] | sphery: | wagnerrp: with List view, would it show the dirs? |
| [23:10:57] | wagnerrp: | with subdirectories TV Shows and Kids Movies |
| [23:10:58] | stuartm: | I'd probably privately grumble when changes which go against the design are made, but I really don't care in the long run since when I write my next theme I'll be using that instead |
| [23:11:10] | stuartm: | sphery: sounds good |
| [23:11:23] | mangus580: | gotcha so make a videos folder, then put all them underneath it? |
| [23:11:39] | wagnerrp: | alternatively, there are several alternate views that generate their own structure based off the metadata |
| [23:11:48] | mangus580: | I did not have that previously (just rebuilt the server yestarday) and it worked in a way I liked |
| [23:11:48] | wagnerrp: | sphery: the 'file browse mode' will not merge multiple paths like that |
| [23:11:51] | sphery: | stuartm: if you want to mention it next time allesmueller is around, I'd be happy to help set up a new repo (but if he does volunteer to work on it, I'll give him the option of choosing where) |
| [23:11:56] | wagnerrp: | ... but you know how we feel about file browse mode |
| [23:12:08] | sphery: | wagnerrp: but List View seems to show dirs... maybe only sub dirs? |
| [23:12:14] | sphery: | without file browse mode |
| [23:12:18] | stuartm: | sphery: sure, poke me if I should forget ;) |
| [23:12:42] | sphery: | I'm asking primarily because I have a user who seems to have just enabled file browse mode for exactly the reason above... "TV Shows" + "Kids Movies" and such |
| [23:12:48] | sphery: | and I want to help him set it up right |
| [23:13:28] | wagnerrp: | ive got videos stored across three different hard drives |
| [23:13:45] | wagnerrp: | each with a base path that i have marked in the storage directories |
| [23:13:59] | sphery: | stuartm: great... I really think we need to get a team or 2 going and then maybe others will follow--and that would help make more-complete themes that are better maintained over time |
| [23:14:00] | wagnerrp: | and with subfolders 'Movies', 'TV', 'Cartoons', and 'Videos' |
| [23:14:16] | wagnerrp: | the three different file trees get merged into one view |
| [23:14:20] | wagnerrp: | so i cannot tell which content exists on which filesystem |
| [23:14:38] | mangus580: | yeah, somehow I had it working better – but I wonder if I did it on the frontend, not the backend last time |
| [23:14:39] | sphery: | (speaking of the "homeless" themes, primarily) |
| [23:14:50] | wagnerrp: | as far as i know, the only time that does not happen is when you have file browse mode |
| [23:15:10] | sphery: | I'm going to move around all my shows, and test... |
| [23:15:14] | wagnerrp: | at which point i would see the three different root definitions at the base of the tree |
| [23:15:14] | mangus580: | can I make a videos directory, and put symbolic links in said directory to point to my other 'sub directories'? or is it best for me to move them all? |
| [23:15:15] | sphery: | I know List view shows me dirs |
| [23:15:49] | wagnerrp: | mangus580: defining the storage paths in the frontend, using a colon separated list, behaved exactly the same |
| [23:15:51] | sphery: | then again, I don't have it in SGs since I don't have a backend on the frontend system |
| [23:15:57] | wagnerrp: | it would merge them together |
| [23:15:57] | mangus580: | I used to have list showing me 2 different directories |
| [23:16:05] | mangus580: | ok |
| [23:16:11] | mangus580: | I dont know what I did then!! :-D |
| [23:16:18] | mangus580: | and its all gone now, so its not like I can go look |
| [23:16:31] | wagnerrp: | you had browse mode enabled |
| [23:16:38] | iamlindoro: | FILE browse |
| [23:16:39] | wagnerrp: | which means you ignored the database cache |
| [23:16:42] | mangus580: | ahh |
| [23:16:47] | iamlindoro: | browse mode, again, ambiguous |
| [23:16:47] | mangus580: | could be |
| [23:16:47] | wagnerrp: | and scanned the filesystem each and every time you entered it |
| [23:16:59] | wagnerrp: | yes... file browse mode |
| [23:17:11] | mangus580: | not that i remember how I even set that.... |
| [23:17:22] | mangus580: | but I will try my symbolic link method... see if that works for me |
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| [23:17:51] | wagnerrp: | sphery: in list view currently, theyre merged together |
| [23:18:07] | iamlindoro: | None of the views change the tree building at all |
| [23:18:16] | iamlindoro: | They all work from the same tree |
| [23:18:25] | wagnerrp: | well, browse view returns a completely flat list |
| [23:18:33] | iamlindoro: | The "Browse By…" modes change the underlying tree structure |
| [23:18:44] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: It certainly does not |
| [23:18:55] | wagnerrp: | it does on mine |
| [23:19:04] | wagnerrp: | i have it open right now |
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| [23:19:09] | iamlindoro: | The only thing that returns a flat list is "enable Flat View" |
| [23:19:16] | sphery: | so is there any possible way to sort things in mythvideo |
| [23:19:26] | sphery: | or is it just one big list and you have to enable filters |
| [23:19:29] | iamlindoro: | Browse, List, and Gallery all get *identical* trees |
| [23:19:32] | iamlindoro: | in every way |
| [23:19:33] | wagnerrp: | change view -> switch to browse view |
| [23:19:44] | sphery: | that is any way without file browse mode |
| [23:19:45] | wagnerrp: | and i get a flat, horizontal list |
| [23:20:11] | wagnerrp: | alphabetical order, showing all videos in all folders |
| [23:20:23] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Then you have Flat View enabled |
| [23:20:27] | mangus580: | what sets the theme for mythtv-setup? |
| [23:20:44] | sphery: | Yeah, I'm in List view, and I now see Movies, and Open_Movies and Red_vs_Blue, which sorts my content into a hierarchy |
| [23:21:15] | iamlindoro: | And you'd see that same hierarchy in "Switch to Browse View" |
| [23:21:26] | iamlindoro: | So long as you don't have the option to flatten everything turned on |
| [23:21:53] | sphery: | ah, yeah |
| [23:22:02] | sphery: | had it in flat view for browse mode |
| [23:22:13] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: odd... does flat view get disabled in gallery and list? |
| [23:22:15] | sphery: | anyway, thanks |
| [23:22:23] | sphery: | now to try to get this guy to disable file browse mode |
| [23:22:36] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Believe the setting is saved per-view |
| [23:23:07] | wagnerrp: | ah, that would make sense why it was changing every time i switch in and out of browse view |
| [23:23:10] | iamlindoro: | All the Flat/File Browse/etc. craziness predates me. Once we're SG only I'll begin phasing that stuff out |
| [23:23:48] | mangus580: | well I dont have file browse set now.... but I bet I did before! |
| [23:24:22] | sphery: | yeah, and why my list view wasn't flat by my browse view was |
| [23:24:28] | iamlindoro: | All too many people turn it on, because to them it seems like "auto-scan" |
| [23:24:33] | sphery: | thanks for the explanations |
| [23:24:39] | iamlindoro: | But it has huge disadvantages and breaks lots of the nice metadata functionality |
| [23:24:58] | mangus580: | makes sense |
| [23:25:03] | sphery: | I hadn't played with the various browse/list/gallery views and didn't even remember the flat view stuff |
| [23:25:10] | wagnerrp: | "but i dont have to manually scan every time my torrent client downloads new content!" |
| [23:25:13] | iamlindoro: | MythVideo is a metadata browser, not a file browser-- people are going to have to learn to live with that when I pull out the file browse/local file settings/etc. |
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| [23:25:18] | sphery: | but now I think I can help this guy set his up right |
| [23:25:35] | sphery: | I can't wait until file browse mode is gone |
| [23:25:44] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Basically, turn off every toggle in the UI (File Browse, flat, etc.) and everything should work nicely |
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| [23:26:02] | wagnerrp: | so, seems the crazy germans are broadcasting masturbation videos |
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| [23:26:08] | sphery: | yeah, that's where I am--had file browse disabled, but flat view enabled |
| [23:26:29] | ** wagnerrp pokes dekarl_zZz and his sick sick recording rules ** | |
| [23:26:35] | mangus580: | I'm setup right now :-D |
| [23:26:40] | sphery: | though that was just a browse view thing and list did what I wanted, but it was more the flat view thing making browse view wrong for him |
| [23:26:43] | mangus580: | symbolic links fixed me right up |
| [23:27:00] | mangus580: | but.... is there a way to make it scan for changes on a schedule? |
| [23:27:06] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Erm, context? |
| [23:27:16] | wagnerrp: | other channel |
| [23:27:16] | sphery: | yeah, I think wagnerrp saw something we missed |
| [23:27:20] | iamlindoro: | "Umm, word choice??" |
| [23:27:22] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [23:28:04] | mangus580: | hey, you guys arent talking about me in a different room are you???? thats not fair, I wanna laugh too!! ;-) |
| [23:28:40] | wagnerrp: | no, one of the xmltv guys having a problem with the metadata grabber |
| [23:29:21] | mangus580: | :-) |
| [23:29:25] | sphery: | yeah, getting a less-than-ideal choice for his The Mentalist videos |
| [23:29:44] | mangus580: | how does parental control work? |
| [23:29:56] | wagnerrp: | minimally |
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| [23:32:37] | wagnerrp: | seems a mismatch between the TV result... http://thetvdb.com/?tab=series&id=82459&lid=7 ...and... http://www.themoviedb.org/movie/82459 |
| [23:32:43] | wagnerrp: | BIG 'OL NSFW ON THE SECOND LINK |
| [23:33:29] | [R]: | WTF... |
| [23:33:45] | [R]: | they have porn on that site? |
| [23:33:48] | ** iamlindoro just got fired, thanks wagnerrp ** | |
| [23:33:53] | [R]: | HAHA |
| [23:34:06] | wagnerrp: | serves you right for working on a sunday night... from home... |
| [23:34:10] | sphery: | iamlindoro: more time to spend on MythTV! |
| [23:34:38] | wagnerrp: | you already told us it was toasty warm under your desk at home because of the new computer |
| [23:35:16] | iamlindoro: | Maybe I got called in! |
| [23:35:50] | mangus580: | wagnerrp: are you saying that I may waste my time with parental control? or just that it needs some major setup? |
| [23:35:59] | wagnerrp: | serves you right for clicking on the link when you already knew the title of the movie |
| [23:35:59] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [23:36:42] | wagnerrp: | mangus580: more that it hardly ever gets used |
| [23:37:09] | wagnerrp: | so not many people actually know how to use it |
| [23:39:01] | mangus580: | gotcha |
| [23:39:10] | mangus580: | I need to use 'something' with 4 boys in the house.... |
| [23:39:14] | mangus580: | so I need to figure it out |
| [23:40:39] | iamlindoro: | The something you're looking for is regular and brutal beatings |
| [23:40:46] | sphery: | hmmm, so when I'm in mythvideo and disable flat view, it shows Movies >, but when I press right, it doesn't go into Movies--I have to press SELECT. Can't wait 'til 0.25, then I can theme it to go into it on RIGHT... Something about <triggerevent context="Global" action="DELETE">RIGHT</triggerevent>, right? |
| [23:40:47] | iamlindoro: | That'll learn 'em |
| [23:40:53] | mangus580: | LOL theres that too iamlindoro |
| [23:42:00] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: what will? the brutal beatings? or the auto-delete on right arrow? |
| [23:42:12] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: "yes." |
| [23:42:27] | sphery: | hehe |
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| [23:43:39] | ** wagnerrp closes #10277 Invalid: replace stb with cablecard tuner ** | |
| [23:44:14] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Really, though, we have no devs with firewire capture, and it's entirely possible 5C gets toggled on and off in the course of a single program, I'm not sure where we can help him |
| [23:45:00] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: Really, though, i was being halfway serious |
| [23:45:06] | iamlindoro: | For firewire capture, we may need to adopt a strategy of "We can't fix it for you, but we can check patches and apply them" |
| [23:45:12] | wagnerrp: | considering emailing him off-list about such a suggestion |
| [23:45:13] | sphery: | I'm picturing some guy at the cable office toggling the 5C switch for fun |
| [23:45:36] | sphery: | I think we need that policy for a lot more things... |
| [23:45:37] | wagnerrp: | sphery: would make for a good Kids in the Hall skit |
| [23:45:40] | mangus580: | so how long will a list of 600 some videos take for metadata to load? |
| [23:45:54] | awalls: | I'm picturing some guy at the cable office toggling the 5C switch for blind troubleshooting |
| [23:45:57] | sphery: | especially the tickets like, "It broke when I tried to play" |
| [23:45:58] | iamlindoro: | load from the database, or to look it up from the metadata source? |
| [23:46:07] | mangus580: | lookup I should say |
| [23:46:16] | iamlindoro: | a number of minutes |
| [23:46:21] | wagnerrp: | are you doing the batch loader? or manually? |
| [23:46:29] | mangus580: | ummm |
| [23:46:34] | mangus580: | Iguess I'm NOT |
| [23:46:36] | mangus580: | ;-) |
| [23:46:41] | mangus580: | I thought it just did it itself over time |
| [23:46:58] | wagnerrp: | if you didnt notice it, there is a batch loader available through the menu |
| [23:46:58] | wagnerrp: | that you can have run automatically after a scan |
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| [23:47:09] | wagnerrp: | manually means the 'w' key |
| [23:47:32] | mangus580: | is the batch loader the 'retrieve all details'? |
| [23:49:16] | wagnerrp: | that sounds right |
| [23:49:27] | mangus580: | ok – so I am using batch loader :-) |
| [23:49:41] | wagnerrp: | note that it will only run once, ever, on any particular video |
| [23:49:55] | wagnerrp: | once it processes a video, it will mark it as such, and skip it on subsequent passes |
| [23:50:01] | mangus580: | gotcha |
| [23:50:06] | mangus580: | will it still update with manual? |
| [23:50:16] | wagnerrp: | you can still run it manually again on an individual video with 'w' |
| [23:50:20] | mangus580: | ok |
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| [23:50:42] | mangus580: | does it run using the frontend cpu? |
| [23:51:07] | iamlindoro: | If you select "Retrieve all Details," it runs on the FE, and runs only so long as you are in the myth video screen |
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| [23:51:11] | wagnerrp: | yes, which also means if you leave mythvideo while it is running, it will terminate |
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| [23:51:24] | corran: | hello |
| [23:51:27] | corran: | again |
| [23:51:47] | mangus580: | ok wagnerrp |
| [23:51:55] | mangus580: | too bad there isnt a backend script for it :-( |
| [23:51:58] | corran: | I'm trying to scan my channels and its saying (failed to open the card) on the Scan Config page |
| [23:51:59] | corran: | ideas? |
| [23:52:58] | wagnerrp: | mangus580: its never really been a high priority, since most people arent going to be adding stuff frequently to it |
| [23:53:10] | wagnerrp: | and those that are just need to spend the couple seconds needed for a scan |
| [23:53:36] | iamlindoro: | and in .25, you could just run mythutil --scanvideos on your BE in cron at some periodic basis |
| [23:53:44] | mangus580: | good point |
| [23:53:50] | wagnerrp: | in 0.25, there is a scanner in the backend, but it still needs to be manually called, and really only exists for those users that dont run the frontend at all, and instead access content through UPNP |
| [23:54:07] | mangus580: | I guess I was thinking about a backend script to scan for new videos & update automatically... on a time schedule or something |
| [23:54:19] | mangus580: | thereby not needing to do it manually |
| [23:54:42] | sphery: | because you go out and buy new DVDs/BluRays, then come home and rip them 2–3 times per day |
| [23:54:45] | sphery: | ? |
| [23:54:52] | mangus580: | yes sphery |
| [23:55:30] | iamlindoro: | nonsense |
| [23:55:53] | mangus580: | well... I keep an offsite backup for several friends too..... |
| [23:55:55] | mangus580: | as they do for me |
| [23:55:56] | wagnerrp: | the idea is that any time content gets added to mythvideo, its either going to be added manually (by ripping physical media), and you will be there to run a scan manually |
| [23:56:15] | wagnerrp: | or will be added by some automated tool like mirobridge, in which case mirobridge would perform the necessary actions to insert the content itself |
| [23:56:31] | stuartm: | is that what they are calling it these days? |
| [23:56:32] | mangus580: | mirobridge? guess I gotta google that one |
| [23:56:39] | stuartm: | 'offsite backup'? |
| [23:56:45] | wagnerrp: | mangus580: ever heard of miro? |
| [23:57:05] | mangus580: | looking it up now |
| [23:57:13] | wagnerrp: | mirobridge is just a middleware utility to import subscribed miro channels into mythtv |
| [23:57:30] | mangus580: | ahh |
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