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| [00:00:48] | sphery: | hehe, says the guy who converted his to bluray :) |
| [00:01:28] | wagnerrp: | only WB allows you to trade in the sleeves for blurays |
| [00:01:58] | sphery: | did you have a good portion of non-WB ones? |
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| [00:02:41] | wagnerrp: | around half and half |
| [00:02:47] | sphery: | :( |
| [00:02:48] | wagnerrp: | although most of the damaged ones were WB |
| [00:04:23] | Seeker`: | HDDVDs suffer badly from bitrot? |
| [00:05:11] | wagnerrp: | from my experience, yes |
| [00:05:19] | wagnerrp: | most of them, i got all of one use |
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| [00:05:33] | wagnerrp: | ripped them to disk when i got them, put them on a shelf |
| [00:05:59] | wagnerrp: | about a year and a half later, the drive they were on crapped out, and i discovered how much i had lost when trying to rip them a second time |
| [00:06:27] | wagnerrp: | "i wont bother wasting space on the redundant array, because i can just pull them back off disk if i need to" |
| [00:06:29] | wagnerrp: | whoops... |
| [00:07:05] | Seeker`: | ah |
| [00:07:18] | Seeker`: | I take it blurays are a bit better? |
| [00:07:38] | wagnerrp: | havent noticed a problem with them yet |
| [00:07:59] | ** Seeker` wants a way of marking blurays in mythvideo other than adding "(BD)" to the title ** | |
| [00:08:05] | wagnerrp: | i dont think theres an inherent problem with hddvd either |
| [00:08:06] | ** Seeker` has DVD and BD versions of some movies ** | |
| [00:08:12] | wagnerrp: | i think it was a manufacturing defects |
| [00:08:20] | wagnerrp: | and these were all made at the same stamper |
| [00:08:24] | sphery: | why keep both online? |
| [00:08:30] | sphery: | just get rid of dvd versions? |
| [00:08:59] | wagnerrp: | different cuts? |
| [00:09:14] | Seeker`: | sphery: because I watch films in another room sometimes, and there is a wireless-g link between here and the mythtv backend |
| [00:09:17] | wagnerrp: | thats the other thing that pissed me off |
| [00:09:29] | sphery: | ahhh |
| [00:09:37] | wagnerrp: | there were several different cuts of blade runner, on two separate discs |
| [00:09:42] | wagnerrp: | and both discs are dead |
| [00:09:44] | sphery: | sounds like a job for Cat-5e |
| [00:10:05] | wagnerrp: | nah... more like a job for cat6(a) |
| [00:10:12] | Seeker`: | sphery: if I could drill holes through the walls, sure |
| [00:10:15] | wagnerrp: | no sense buying new cat5e these days |
| [00:10:26] | wagnerrp: | of course you can drill holes through the walls |
| [00:10:29] | Seeker`: | being in a rented flat sucks |
| [00:10:35] | sphery: | last I checked cat6 was /way/ more expensive than 5e |
| [00:10:35] | wagnerrp: | theres nothing stopping you |
| [00:10:55] | sphery: | you just have to practice your drywall repair |
| [00:11:05] | wagnerrp: | how much more expensive |
| [00:11:17] | sphery: | all I remembered was "way" |
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| [00:11:38] | Seeker`: | I've got my main FE and my BE linked by GigE |
| [00:11:58] | wagnerrp: | i mean last time i bought either, my solid core cat6 with anticrimp was like $0.14/foot |
| [00:12:05] | Seeker`: | everything else connects to them through a g-speed wireless link |
| [00:12:14] | wagnerrp: | s/anticrimp/antikink/ |
| [00:12:43] | sphery: | looks like you can currently get 5e for about $70/1000ft, and cat 6 varies... belkin at $130.99 |
| [00:12:54] | sphery: | but there is an "Evertech" at $79.97--which is reasonable |
| [00:13:15] | sphery: | CTG has cat 6 at $105 |
| [00:13:25] | Seeker`: | £1/m here for cat6 |
| [00:13:44] | wagnerrp: | yeah, $0.105/ft currently on monoprice |
| [00:14:01] | wagnerrp: | versus $0.80/ft for cat5e |
| [00:14:10] | Seeker`: | can get 100m for £60, but then you get the fun of crimping them yourself |
| [00:14:14] | sphery: | I was looking at amazon's bulk/spool prices |
| [00:14:15] | wagnerrp: | so noticeably cheaper, but not way cheaper |
| [00:14:32] | sphery: | like: http://www.amazon.com/Cables-Go-27353-500ft-350Mhz/dp/B000067RWR |
| [00:14:43] | sphery: | oh, wait, that's a 500 |
| [00:14:45] | wagnerrp: | Seeker`: whats wrong with crimping them yourselves? |
| [00:15:22] | sphery: | http://www.amazon.com/Cat5e-1000ft-Ethernet-C . . . p/B004PL082U ... $55 for 1000ft shipped |
| [00:15:24] | wagnerrp: | honestly, if you told the landlord you wanted to do it, verified the location of the panels, and took responsibility for any damaged incurred |
| [00:15:31] | wagnerrp: | i dont see why they would have a problem |
| [00:15:34] | Seeker`: | wagnerrp: never tried it. Most likely it will be one of these 'simple' things that I never get right :P |
| [00:16:09] | sphery: | I'm getting to the end of my 2x1000ft spools of cat 5e |
| [00:16:16] | sphery: | and my cable ends |
| [00:16:34] | sphery: | unfortunately, family/friends seem to think it's all free |
| [00:16:44] | wagnerrp: | green green orange blue blue orange brown brown |
| [00:16:47] | wagnerrp: | clip goes down |
| [00:16:49] | wagnerrp: | nothing to it |
| [00:17:34] | wagnerrp: | alternate, stripes first |
| [00:18:13] | sphery: | WO-O-WG-Bl-WBl-G-WBr-Br |
| [00:18:20] | sphery: | I'm a T568-B guy, myself |
| [00:18:44] | sphery: | seems wagnerrp is a T568-A guy |
| [00:18:54] | wagnerrp: | cut it, strip it, twist it, trim it, shove it, crimp it, stop, repeat it |
| [00:19:10] | Seeker`: | Technologic? |
| [00:19:13] | sphery: | worst part is the hand cramps from straightening it |
| [00:19:44] | iamlindoro: | Or as I rhymingly learned it, Orange-Stripe Orange, Green-Stripe Blue, Blue-stripe Green, Brown-Stripe Brown |
| [00:19:59] | wagnerrp: | yeah, that gets annoying after a while |
| [00:20:04] | sphery: | hehe... "TIA/EIA-568-B specifies that horizontal cables should be terminated using the T568A pin/pair assignments, "or, optionally, per [T568B] if necessary to accommodate certain 8-pin cabling systems." Despite this instruction, many organizations continue to implement T568B for various reasons, chiefly associated with tradition (T568B is equivalent to AT&T 258A). The United States National Communication Systems Federal ... |
| [00:20:10] | sphery: | ... Telecommunications Recommendations do not recognize T568B." |
| [00:20:18] | sphery: | for me it was "tradition" (/what I was used to) |
| [00:20:32] | sphery: | from now on, it will be t568a |
| [00:21:11] | kormoc: | T568-B++ |
| [00:21:22] | wagnerrp: | i switched at some point, had no real preference one way or the other than A was somehow 'more proper' |
| [00:21:46] | wagnerrp: | reached into the closet to remember which side the clip was on, and actually pulled out a B cable |
| [00:21:54] | iamlindoro: | I *really* hate this page: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Firewire_Cable_Box_Compatibility |
| [00:22:00] | Seeker`: | wagnerrp: I could go to the trouble of sorting it out with the landlord, and spending time getting the place set up perfectly. Or just watch in lower quality elsewher ein the flat, and use ~50GB more disk space in total |
| [00:22:01] | iamlindoro: | Because it is utterly devoid of informational value |
| [00:22:04] | sphery: | kormoc: but we're wrong to use it |
| [00:22:16] | kormoc: | Tradition is never wrong! ;) |
| [00:22:23] | iamlindoro: | Who cares if your box works? the same exact box on the same exact provider for the next guy probably won't |
| [00:22:27] | Seeker`: | wagnerrp: especially as the landlord is trying to sell the flat atm |
| [00:22:47] | wagnerrp: | sphery: as long as _everything_ is one or the other, i dont see the difference |
| [00:22:52] | sphery: | kormoc: hehe, 15 years of tradition, unhindered by progress! |
| [00:23:08] | iamlindoro: | Hell, if it worked for you this week, it might not even work for the next guy on the same provider on the same box in the same city on the same street |
| [00:23:16] | wagnerrp: | and to be honest, it doesnt even matter on any halfway modern hardware |
| [00:23:24] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, it doesn't matter as long as both ends are the same, but I like the idea of following spec's reco |
| [00:23:28] | wagnerrp: | i dont think i have any gigabit gear that doesnt do auto-mdix |
| [00:23:58] | sphery: | iamlindoro: you've convinced me... Doesn't seem like it would be that useful |
| [00:25:11] | iamlindoro: | but the good news is, Archer is back |
| [00:25:14] | wagnerrp: | ive got a very old linksys gigabit card that i think might not do autocrossover |
| [00:25:26] | wagnerrp: | but it doesnt really matter, since my switches do |
| [00:25:35] | ertyu: | I'm surprised they make gig products that don't |
| [00:25:51] | sphery: | bows are broken? |
| [00:25:59] | sphery: | that would be Brand New |
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| [01:18:15] | Oleg_: | how many of you want Newt Gingrich to win the South Carolina primary tomorrow? |
| [01:18:54] | wagnerrp: | i just cant see the country being run by someone named after a small, amphibious creature |
| [01:19:10] | [R]: | lol |
| [01:23:52] | slacker-: | Hi, any suggestions for cloning a system with / in a LVM? |
| [01:24:20] | slacker-: | slightly offtopic, I konw |
| [01:24:47] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Not to mention him being a scumbag even by politician standards |
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| [01:25:21] | [R]: | iamlindoro: isn't everyone? |
| [01:25:40] | iamlindoro: | thus the qualifier "even by politician standards" |
| [01:25:50] | iamlindoro: | In a field of dirtbags, he is king |
| [01:25:55] | [R]: | lol |
| [01:26:04] | wagnerrp: | he is... the dirt king |
| [01:27:08] | wagnerrp: | well thats disappointing... all google comes up with are these trikes |
| [01:27:15] | ** iamlindoro thinks he is going to redesign the iPad app UI tonight ** | |
| [01:27:30] | wagnerrp: | i was hoping for a grown up pigpen |
| [01:42:12] | sphery: | wagnerrp: so, don't remember details, but http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10267 was because of http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3429 ... i.e. #10267 just unfixed http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3426 (yes, #3429 fixed #3426) |
| [01:42:52] | sphery: | my recall doesn't go back 5 years, so it's all fuzzy |
| [01:43:27] | sphery: | I should really see if I can find a memory upgrade kit that's compatible |
| [01:43:38] | wagnerrp: | did i do something bad? |
| [01:44:44] | sphery: | well, my "fix" was half a fix before |
| [01:44:55] | sphery: | you've undone it, so we need the other half, now |
| [01:45:20] | sphery: | but I think users will still use the wrong time if we provide options |
| [01:45:42] | wagnerrp: | i mean as it was, it was clearly using the wrong value |
| [01:45:46] | sphery: | yes |
| [01:46:00] | sphery: | it was because users were trying to use the "right" value and it breaks program naming |
| [01:46:02] | wagnerrp: | do the perl mysql bindings not provide automatic type processing for dates? |
| [01:46:31] | wagnerrp: | i mean i dont understand where any of the UNIX_TIMESTAMP or FROM_UNIXTIME comes into play |
| [01:46:57] | sphery: | it may be that the separate format specifier for program start time was added after that |
| [01:47:13] | sphery: | seems we have one, now... %py = Program start time: year, 2 digits , etc. |
| [01:47:20] | wagnerrp: | at least in python, it "just works" |
| [01:47:33] | wagnerrp: | or at least i assume it just works, i havent seen any kind of irregularities |
| [01:47:58] | sphery: | oh, wait |
| [01:48:10] | sphery: | seems I did the full change, but I copied and forgot to change the program stuff |
| [01:48:14] | sphery: | so, yeah, it's good |
| [01:48:32] | sphery: | the patch that was committed was the "let the user decide" one |
| [01:49:09] | sphery: | so it added the %py, etc. |
| [01:49:46] | sphery: | but I didn't change the variables on 220/221 @ https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/167eb . . . d33b8cc69920 |
| [01:49:50] | sphery: | so, yeah, thanks for fixing it |
| [01:50:52] | sphery: | anyway, when the user who reported it discovers and re-files http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3426 , we can close it as user error :) |
| [01:52:15] | wagnerrp: | is that not what just happened? |
| [01:52:39] | iamlindoro: | I truly have some idiot friends |
| [01:53:23] | sphery: | no, basically what I'm saying is that when the user specifies program start/end times for mythrename.pl, he'll get broken names |
| [01:53:25] | iamlindoro: | Some hippie friend I haven't seen in 15 years posts a video on Facebook warning people that the government is about to declare martial law, and as proof present a youtube video of them moving a trainload of tanks yesterday near our home |
| [01:53:52] | iamlindoro: | My response: "Start getting worried when they drive them somewhere, not when they're on a train." |
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| [02:06:08] | wagnerrp: | cra[ |
| [02:06:27] | wagnerrp: | i just realized, im going to have weather tickers all over tonight's recordings |
| [02:07:07] | wagnerrp: | FFS... |
| [02:07:40] | wagnerrp: | school closings on the bottom, storm warning locations on the top, a map on the left side |
| [02:08:02] | wagnerrp: | plus the senseless addition of thick bars that have no information at all |
| [02:08:23] | wagnerrp: | and come on.... its a friday night... what is there that would be open that a closing needs to be announced? |
| [02:11:15] | wagnerrp: | sphery: you complain about this stuff frequently, is yours ever this bad? |
| [02:11:22] | wagnerrp: | http://www.wagnerrp.com/files/weather_tickers.jpg |
| [02:15:27] | sphery: | wagnerrp: hehe, that's a good one for me |
| [02:18:22] | ertyu: | wagnerrp, how about a weather warning on a channel from a far away land that we get |
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| [02:18:40] | bobgill: | Hot damn I have 5gb being used by /var/spool/clientmqueue on a root that's strugglin for space |
| [02:20:56] | wagnerrp: | sphery: at least they didnt have to drop back to standard definition to do an overlay like CBS enjoys doing |
| [02:21:21] | sphery: | hehe, yeah, those are annoying |
| [02:21:33] | sphery: | dropping to SDTV and stereo audio |
| [02:24:49] | sphery: | looking through my previews, I don't see anything for this season |
| [02:25:23] | sphery: | might have some at other points, but usually I see 2 or 3 previews with overlays every 6mos or so |
| [02:25:35] | sphery: | so maybe they're learning? |
| [02:27:02] | wagnerrp: | apparently the wormhole physicist market is in a recession |
| [02:27:14] | wagnerrp: | john crichton is working at the buy more |
| [02:28:05] | sphery: | as in John Michael Crichton? |
| [02:28:22] | sphery: | I thought he was just an author |
| [02:28:59] | wagnerrp: | no, the other john crighton |
| [02:30:04] | sphery: | oh... I haven't yet bought my farscape complete series |
| [02:31:13] | wagnerrp: | awesome, yet another identical prime time gameshow |
| [02:31:31] | wagnerrp: | but this one's gimmick is dropping you through a trap door when you lose |
| [02:34:32] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, it's only a matter of time, http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0810945/ |
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| [02:37:10] | wagnerrp: | im still waiting for chess |
| [02:37:17] | wagnerrp: | mel brooks style... |
| [02:38:03] | wagnerrp: | on the other hand, i dont get the channels that could show mel brooks chess |
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| [02:45:14] | sphery: | wagnerrp: But the queens we use would not excite you. |
| [02:45:58] | wagnerrp: | youre not talking about... those... kinds of queens, are you? |
| [02:46:09] | wagnerrp: | i think VH1 already has that show |
| [02:47:39] | sphery: | now I'm in the mood to listen to '80s music |
| [02:51:26] | slacker-: | ok, I got it |
| [02:52:03] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: too late... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Roulette_(game_show) |
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| [03:11:36] | ertyu: | wow, lirc really is a pita |
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| [03:13:23] | ertyu: | can you point me to a howto for a serial receiver? |
| [03:14:01] | wagnerrp: | most people use something USB these days |
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| [03:14:12] | wagnerrp: | serial ports are somewhat rare to come by |
| [03:15:18] | ertyu: | I don't happen to have a IR usb receiver on hand, but I pulled this serial one out of the closet |
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| [03:46:51] | sphery: | hehe: "Fantasy. Trucks can't snowboard. Do not attempt." ... "Or do barrel rolls. Do not attempt." |
| [03:47:10] | sphery: | sad that they have to put those warnings on, but at least they're making them funny, now. |
| [03:49:21] | wagnerrp: | the amusing thing is the guy would have landed at like 80mph |
| [03:49:36] | wagnerrp: | you hit the ground at 80mph in a truck, theres not going to be much left of that truck |
| [03:49:51] | sphery: | hehe, true |
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| [03:58:34] | sphery: | another reason archiving recordings makes no sense... Fox corrupted this episode of Fringe with ads for Napoleon Dynamite. |
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| [03:59:04] | sphery: | It would be one things if they were ads for House, but Napoleon Dynamite... |
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| [04:00:01] | sphery: | (these being the on-top-of-the-show ads) |
| [04:00:37] | wagnerrp: | holy hell |
| [04:01:12] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: this mess you caused back on june 6th will be a good test whether i can properly parse a git tree from the github api |
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| [04:07:58] | Beirdo: | which mess was that? |
| [04:08:03] | Beirdo: | I forget |
| [04:08:12] | wagnerrp: | one of the big merges |
| [04:08:19] | wagnerrp: | gitk spaghetti |
| [04:08:21] | Beirdo: | ahhh |
| [04:11:29] | wagnerrp: | im starting to think i should abandon the idea of doing this dynamically, and keep a permanent map in /var/db |
| [04:20:36] | wagnerrp: | hahahahaha |
| [04:20:53] | wagnerrp: | 'in its natural state, its inert. its not really reactive like... helium' |
| [04:21:16] | wagnerrp: | nevermind, i heard that backwards |
| [04:21:29] | wagnerrp: | not reactive like helium is not reactive |
| [04:21:39] | wagnerrp: | not... not reactive, unlike helium |
| [04:24:21] | nutron: | .25 close? |
| [04:24:26] | ** nutron ducks ** | |
| [04:24:42] | wagnerrp: | no feature freeze, so its at least a month and a half away |
| [04:24:57] | ** nutron breathes a sigh of relief ** | |
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| [04:26:50] | wagnerrp: | oh? |
| [04:31:19] | abqjp: | wagnerrp, While Beirdo is redoing the commercial flag stuff, he needs to add detection of news/weather corruption (I mean tickers), so those episodes can automatically be schedule for a re-record!! |
| [04:31:56] | wagnerrp: | from what i understand, that really shouldnt be all that difficult |
| [04:32:39] | wagnerrp: | since it should be little different from the black bar/column detection |
| [04:33:08] | wagnerrp: | largely static, with a bit higher threshold for motion and a non-linear boundary |
| [04:33:26] | Beirdo: | hmm |
| [04:33:36] | Beirdo: | that could likely be done |
| [04:34:37] | abqjp: | Heh, Beirdo, you pull that off and I will owe you. |
| [04:34:59] | wagnerrp: | a whole keg |
| [04:35:07] | wagnerrp: | after all, he does have the refrigerator to put it in |
| [04:35:07] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [04:35:41] | abqjp: | I sometimes don't watch a season of shows until the *next* season starts. Which means that I probably had a chance to re-record such episodes, if I had only known they had been corrupted by a ticker. |
| [04:36:59] | abqjp: | In New Mexico, the local stations feel it is their duty to tell me when there is light rain in Colorado. Very annoying. |
| [04:37:17] | wagnerrp: | of course, thats big news |
| [04:37:22] | wagnerrp: | because there is no rain in new mexico |
| [04:37:29] | abqjp: | Yup |
| [04:37:31] | Beirdo: | heh |
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| [04:37:44] | wagnerrp: | just tumbleweed storms |
| [04:38:23] | Beirdo: | and illegal aliens |
| [04:38:30] | wagnerrp: | my sister talks about those things |
| [04:38:36] | wagnerrp: | light, brittle things |
| [04:38:45] | abqjp: | It is partially because there are only one set of network stations in the whole state. They use a bunch of repeaters to cover the whole state with some overlap into the surrounding states. |
| [04:38:48] | wagnerrp: | the wind picks up, and they take off at high speed |
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| [04:39:11] | wagnerrp: | one of them slams you in the back, so you turn around to see what it was |
| [04:39:17] | wagnerrp: | and theres just a pile of twigs on the ground |
| [04:39:31] | abqjp: | My sister lives in SE Washington state. They seem to have just as many, if not more, tumbleweeds there, as we do here. |
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| [04:43:19] | nutron: | Heck I have tumbleweeds here in Canada. Imagine that! |
| [04:43:52] | nutron: | I've got some time until the next release, meaning I can finish some work on the "other" project. |
| [04:44:04] | ** nutron is responding to wagnerrp's oh? ** | |
| [04:44:38] | sphery: | wagnerrp: just got to that part... If you were using captions, like you should be, you'd have understood it: "It's not really reactive, like helium." (comma is there, as it should be) |
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| [04:52:38] | abqjp: | wagnerrp, when naming video files, is there a way of specifying the year, such that it will get parsed? I tried adding "(year)" after the show title, but that did not work. |
| [04:53:04] | wagnerrp: | none at all |
| [04:53:50] | sphery: | relies on metadata grabber |
| [04:53:51] | wagnerrp: | in fact, anything in parentheses (or brackets, or braces) will be cut out of the title |
| [04:54:07] | wagnerrp: | if you just put the year after the name, with no scoping |
| [04:54:16] | wagnerrp: | it will pass it directly on to the grabber |
| [04:54:36] | wagnerrp: | and i believe themoviedb does automatic filtering if it thinks you have a release year at the end |
| [04:54:48] | abqjp: | Okay. I will give that a try. |
| [04:55:20] | abqjp: | To get it to re-parse the file name, I need to remove the file and then re-add it, right? |
| [04:55:32] | wagnerrp: | at least the v3 API documentation mentions adding the year onto the end |
| [04:55:56] | wagnerrp: | abqjp: you _could_ do that... but to what end? |
| [04:56:16] | wagnerrp: | that seems like an awful lot of work just so you dont have to manually select the correct match from a list within the UI |
| [04:56:50] | wagnerrp: | and actually, just using the 'reset metadata' option in the 'i' menu will re-parse the filename |
| [04:57:03] | abqjp: | I have a UK series that I was importing. Getting the filename right seemed easier than going through each episode. |
| [04:57:05] | wagnerrp: | you will have to rescan first to get it to pick up the new filename though |
| [04:57:20] | abqjp: | Ah. I had not notice the reset option. Thanks. |
| [04:57:22] | wagnerrp: | oh, TV series, not a movie |
| [04:57:33] | wagnerrp: | TV stuff is different |
| [04:57:56] | wagnerrp: | it takes the full title |
| [04:58:05] | wagnerrp: | what series? |
| [04:58:42] | abqjp: | Robin Hood |
| [04:58:49] | wagnerrp: | which revision? |
| [04:59:05] | wagnerrp: | im guessing this latest one from a couple years ago? |
| [04:59:14] | abqjp: | 2006, UK version |
| [05:00:52] | wagnerrp: | youve got two options |
| [05:01:13] | wagnerrp: | you can either rename it to 'Robin Hood', from what im guessing is 'Robin Hood (2006)' |
| [05:02:08] | wagnerrp: | or you can create a file ~/.mythtv/ttvdb.conf with the text "[series_name_override]\nRobin Hood (2006):79479" |
| [05:02:36] | wagnerrp: | that presets a match for that particular screen |
| [05:02:46] | wagnerrp: | so it wont try (and fail) to search for it |
| [05:03:40] | abqjp: | Ah. I did not realize the "new" stuff still supported that override config file. I will try it that way. Thanks! |
| [05:04:37] | wagnerrp: | the opposite actually, the new stuff enforces that file, rather than only using a path defined on the command line |
| [05:05:48] | abqjp: | I just meant that jamu also had that mechanism. Thanks wagnerrp. |
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| [07:21:21] | bony: | i have hauppauge 1950 and trying to configure in debian sid kernel version 3.1.0 amd64. i installed the package firmware-ivtv for getting the driver. output of dmesg http://paste.debian.net/153049/. when i start tvtime i get an error "pvrusb2: Inappropriate ioctl for device" "Cannot open caputer device /dev/video0" |
| [07:21:52] | wagnerrp: | tvtime is incapable of using the HVR-1950 |
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| [07:25:29] | wagnerrp: | bony: ^^^^^ |
| [07:30:44] | bony: | wagnerrp, oho |
| [07:31:18] | wagnerrp: | the HVR-1950 is an mpeg encoder |
| [07:31:23] | wagnerrp: | tvtime only works with framegrabbers |
| [07:31:23] | bony: | wagnerrp, which application should i use in order or use HVR-1950 |
| [07:31:47] | bony: | wagnerrp, ok |
| [07:31:57] | wagnerrp: | meaning... you do not intend to record television with mythtv? |
| [07:32:40] | bony: | wagnerrp, well i want to record some tv shows |
| [07:33:00] | bony: | wagnerrp, will mythtv work? |
| [07:33:28] | wagnerrp: | if youre just looking to watch content, just about any video player capable of MPEG2 can use that card |
| [07:33:46] | wagnerrp: | /dev/video0 and /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0 both output MPEG2 TS streams |
| [07:33:50] | wagnerrp: | (once tuned) |
| [07:34:11] | wagnerrp: | however this is specifically the user support channel for the application mythtv |
| [07:38:57] | bony: | i just tried to play using vlc |
| [07:39:16] | bony: | i get hissing noise and no image of grains |
| [07:39:33] | bony: | how do i tune |
| [07:39:56] | bony: | can you guide me to configure this device so that i can watch tv over air |
| [07:48:12] | wagnerrp: | ive never used a tuner in VLC, try in #vlc |
| [07:49:23] | wagnerrp: | bony: actually, where are you located? |
| [07:49:30] | bony: | wagnerrp, india |
| [07:49:45] | wagnerrp: | your mask would indicate India, but the -1950 is an NTSC/ATSC tuner, while India is a PAL/DVB country |
| [07:50:02] | wagnerrp: | you cant use a -1950 in india, you shouldnt even be able to purchase a -1950 in india |
| [07:50:19] | bony: | wagnerrp, well i got this from a friend |
| [07:50:34] | bony: | wagnerrp, ok leave tv how can i play composite? |
| [07:51:25] | wagnerrp: | composite and svideo should work regardless, its just tuning that would be the problem |
| [07:51:36] | wagnerrp: | you can use v4l2-ctl to manually set the input |
| [07:51:42] | wagnerrp: | but i dont know how you would do so in vlc |
| [07:51:54] | wagnerrp: | are you sure its a -1950 and not a -1900? |
| [07:52:14] | wagnerrp: | the -1900 is the PAL/DVB version of that device |
| [07:52:21] | bony: | wagnerrp, yes i am sure you can check this link http://paste.debian.net/153049/ |
| [07:53:08] | bony: | wagnerrp, other than vlc is their any other application to access the tv card? |
| [07:53:28] | wagnerrp: | mplayer, kaffeine |
| [07:53:42] | bony: | ok |
| [07:53:46] | wagnerrp: | there are only a limited number of applications that might be able to tune it |
| [07:54:00] | wagnerrp: | but as i mentioned, both of those device nodes just output plain MPEG2 video |
| [07:54:20] | bony: | wagnerrp, ok got it |
| [07:54:27] | wagnerrp: | of course in your particular case, /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0 is useless |
| [07:54:55] | bony: | it wagnerrp you are right i just tried to cat /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0 and didn't get any output |
| [07:54:57] | wagnerrp: | only /dev/video0, with svideo or composite, would work |
| [07:55:06] | bony: | were as /dev/video0 gave me some out put |
| [07:55:07] | wagnerrp: | it wont work unless its tuned |
| [07:55:18] | wagnerrp: | and you cant tune it because there are no ATSC channels to tune to |
| [07:55:31] | bony: | wagnerrp, ha thats right |
| [07:55:51] | bony: | wagnerrp, but i guess composite will work cause it has nothing to do with tuning |
| [07:56:42] | wagnerrp: | well that, plus the video decoder and mpeg encoder can handle both PAL, NTSC, and SECAM |
| [07:57:01] | wagnerrp: | basically, most of the guts stay the same, they just swap out a different tuner to sell in different regions |
| [07:57:38] | wagnerrp: | !seen devinheitmueller |
| [07:57:39] | MythLogBot: | devinheitmueller was last seen 8 hours 48 minutes 18 seconds ago |
| [07:58:19] | wagnerrp: | if you can hang around a couple hours (like 8–12), you might try pinging him |
| [07:58:29] | bony: | thanks for your help now i will figure out on how to use this device for composite only |
| [07:58:29] | wagnerrp: | or he may not be back in until monday or so |
| [07:58:49] | bony: | wagnerrp, ok i will be around for another 8 hours let me see if i can catch him |
| [07:59:16] | wagnerrp: | i believe hes the one who wrote that driver, and he would know if there were any possibility you might actually have a -1900 thats being incorrectly detected |
| [07:59:50] | bony: | wagnerrp, sure i will contact him when ever he is online |
| [08:00:45] | bony: | wagnerrp, i just found this packge w-scan that scans for channels but alas its trying to scan on /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 |
| [08:00:51] | bony: | which is not their |
| [08:01:19] | wagnerrp: | is there anything in /dev/dvb? |
| [08:01:31] | bony: | wagnerrp, yes |
| [08:02:17] | bony: | these are the files in /dev/dvb/adapter0 demux0 dvr0 frontend0 net0 |
| [08:02:33] | wagnerrp: | so it is there |
| [08:03:08] | bony: | yeah so dose that mean anything? |
| [08:03:49] | wagnerrp: | means the drivers appear to be functioning properly |
| [08:04:35] | bony: | wagnerrp, yeah |
| [08:13:37] | AndyCap: | bony: do you have permission to read it? |
| [08:15:07] | wagnerrp: | it really doesnt matter |
| [08:19:30] | bony: | yes i do have permission to read it |
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| [08:47:13] | pmhahn: | Hello. I'd like to debug why my MythTV setup sometimes uses my analog encoder even when the "better" DVB-C encoder is free. Most of the time MythTV picks the DVB one, but for tomorrow I see MythTV picking the analog one, which is then blocked to record a different show (only available via the analog encoder) and MythTV goes for the 2nd broadcast in the middle of the night instead of the early evening broadcast. |
| [08:49:23] | [R]: | it depeneds on the priority and the input number |
| [08:49:38] | [R]: | is the input number for the dvbc lower than the analog? |
| [08:52:33] | pmhahn: | Yes. I have 2 cards: one good DVB-only (encoder 1), and one with both DVB (encoder 3) and Analog (encoder 5). |
| [08:52:53] | pmhahn: | MythTV is picking 5 instead of 1 |
| [08:53:09] | [R]: | you could give 1 a higher priority... |
| [08:53:26] | wagnerrp: | this recording rule, is it a 'record on channel X' type rule? |
| [08:54:56] | pmhahn: | It's a daily rule. |
| [08:55:26] | wagnerrp: | record once daily? |
| [08:55:31] | pmhahn: | yes |
| [08:55:42] | wagnerrp: | so its picking the first recording of the day |
| [08:55:51] | wagnerrp: | the day starting at midnight |
| [08:56:11] | pmhahn: | The preferred source is set to the "good" DVB, but still goes to the "bad" Analog. |
| [08:57:11] | wagnerrp: | the 'preferred order' only applies in the case of simultaneous showings on multiple tuners |
| [08:57:39] | wagnerrp: | if recording priorities are the same, the earliest showing is preferred |
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| [08:59:58] | pmhahn: | Its a german new show broadcasted at 20:00 each evening. Is available for all three tuners, since I receive that channel (or what ever is the technical correct speak in MythTV) via DVB-C and analog. |
| [09:00:05] | pmhahn: | news show |
| [09:00:26] | wagnerrp: | you tell it to record once per day, so it finds the first recording on that day, and records it |
| [09:01:44] | pmhahn: | I have a good DVB-C tuner, which is capable of QAM-256, and an older combi-card which can still so QAM-64 (which is enogth for that channel) but also has an analog input, which can receive other channels not broadcasted via DVB-C. |
| [09:02:44] | wagnerrp: | you can set tuner 1 at a higher priority |
| [09:03:00] | wagnerrp: | but understand that all scheduling priorities apply to a single combined value |
| [09:04:00] | pmhahn: | So normally I would with MythTV to record that news show via the good DVB-C (if possible), use the Analog for the Analog-only shows, but still allow the "old DVB-C" to be used if I'd like to record a second DVB-C show. |
| [09:04:28] | wagnerrp: | presumably you have inputs 3 and 5 in a shared input group? |
| [09:04:49] | pmhahn: | Yes. |
| [09:23:19] | pmhahn: | Some SQL-dumps: http://pastebin.com/r42d0Nii |
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| [09:43:57] | dekarl_zZz: | pmhahn: grabbing from tv movie is a off topic over here, see here http://www.bucksch.org/1/projects/various/xmltv/ and http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/IRC#Terms_of_Servi . . . e_Violations |
| [09:44:35] | dekarl_zZz: | but why is the rule set to record at 20:00:01? |
| [09:46:21] | pmhahn: | Don't ask me where that :01 comes from. |
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| [09:47:27] | dekarl_zZz: | setting it to record once per day seems to include on this channel |
| [09:49:05] | dekarl_zZz: | What are the callsigns and channel ids of your Das Erste copies? Should be 2x Das Erste and 1x Das Erste HD, correct? |
| [09:49:32] | pmhahn: | It looks like a problem with the grabber, since the show if only found for the Analog channel, but not for the DVB one: http://pastebin.com/0tmiwALc |
| [09:50:46] | dekarl_zZz: | thats looking at recordmatch, what does program say? |
| [09:51:08] | dekarl_zZz: | likely you created the rule on the analogue channel with implicit "on this channel only" |
| [09:53:24] | dekarl_zZz: | btw, just give the analogue input a negative priority and leave the channels alone. works well over here for DVB-C/T |
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| [09:57:49] | dekarl_zZz: | pmhahn: and try to give the channels *different* numbers but the same callsign. (works for me) |
| [09:57:53] | pmhahn: | Might be some EIT problem? http://pastebin.com/qhEyHazN |
| [09:58:44] | pmhahn: | The entry from EIT hat 20:00:00 instead of the 20:00:01 from the XMLTV grabber |
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| [09:59:52] | dekarl_zZz: | a) try the channel id. b) you do not mix xmltv and EIT on the same channel, correct? |
| [10:01:14] | Seeker`: | what is the name of the window which pops up with 'Bookmark Saved'? |
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| [10:04:51] | pmhahn: | The recording has the chanid from the Analog source, but is type=2 (record daily) |
| [10:05:35] | dekarl_zZz: | which is why it does not match on Das Erste HD due to the different call sign (iirc) |
| [10:06:38] | dekarl_zZz: | did you try to change the channel id of one of the two Das Erste channels? |
| [10:10:32] | dekarl_zZz: | or set the recording rule to the digital channel (gotta make breakfast) |
| [10:11:08] | pmhahn: | Actually "Das Erste" on DVB is not (yet) the HD one, which would be the 3rd version: Analog, DVB, and DVB-HD ... |
| [10:12:55] | pmhahn: | Will try changing the ID; thank so far for your help. "Guten Appetit" |
| [10:16:06] | dekarl_zZz: | On the other hand, you could record the Tagesschau on NDR HH or some other channel that you only get digitally :) I see it on 12–15 different channels over here (but that would be avoiding the issue instead of fixing it) |
| [10:16:25] | dekarl_zZz: | you're welcome and thanks |
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| [13:55:14] | bony: | !seen devinheitmueller |
| [13:55:15] | MythLogBot: | devinheitmueller was last seen 14 hours 45 minutes 54 seconds ago |
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| [16:25:37] | culpies: | looking for help with a metadata grabber issue. currently running .24 and recently started to get image download errors in the log files for coverart and fanart. I haven't been able to fina an answer in the mailing list or the wiki. Can anyone assist? |
| [16:26:05] | wagnerrp: | shoot |
| [16:27:35] | culpies: | here is logfile dump from two recent grab attempts http://pastebin.com/QsC9YgyP |
| [16:30:12] | culpies: | all directories involved are chmoded 0755 and there is plenty of disk space. Everything did work fine for months and now seems to be broken. Videos are using storage groups |
| [16:31:08] | iamlindoro: | naughty naughty |
| [16:31:42] | wagnerrp: | heh, i was just going to remain silent |
| [16:32:40] | iamlindoro: | I'll say no more than it's a permissions problem, purely for the record, and won't provide any help beyond that |
| [16:32:57] | culpies: | okay okay, I couldn't wait for the video release..it will be bought when it comes out |
| [16:33:33] | iamlindoro: | not an acceptable reason |
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| [16:35:27] | culpies: | well I suppose I'll say thanks for....a little then |
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| [16:43:32] | Some_Person: | Can someone please help me with MythTV? I'm trying to configure my Hauppauge HVR-1500, and, well, I'm guessing this isn't good: http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/6820/screens . . . 20121104.png |
| [16:44:09] | wagnerrp: | it means something is already using that device |
| [16:44:25] | wagnerrp: | some other application like VLC, or mplayer, or kaffeine, or even mythbackend |
| [16:44:37] | wagnerrp: | did you get a warning that the backend was already running when you started mythtv-setup? |
| [16:44:59] | Some_Person: | I don't think so |
| [16:45:22] | Some_Person: | and no media players are running |
| [16:49:14] | iamlindoro: | It can also generically mean that the device can't be properly accessed, period |
| [16:49:23] | iamlindoro: | meaning a driver issue, permissions issue, whatever |
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| [16:54:46] | ** awalls is surprised someone is using MythTV with an express card ** | |
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| [16:57:53] | wagnerrp: | speak of the devel |
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| [16:59:06] | ** awalls smiles ** | |
| [17:13:47] | drindt: | i would calibrate my screen with the screen adjustment tool in mythfrontend, after setting the white corners the screen now appear in a small area aligned top left how to reset those values? |
| [17:15:00] | wagnerrp: | you can reset through the 'm' menu within the setup wizard |
| [17:15:17] | wagnerrp: | or you can manually set those offsets and sizes to zero in the appearances section |
| [17:16:02] | Some_Person: | ok, I got it to work, but now I'm having ALSA/PulseAudio problems :| |
| [17:16:59] | drindt: | wagnerrp, thank you |
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| [17:18:09] | wagnerrp: | Some_Person: problems, as in you actually want to use pulseaudio? |
| [17:19:04] | Some_Person: | wagnerrp: As in GNOME 3 pretty much forces you to use it |
| [17:19:47] | wagnerrp: | i would say dont run gnome, but expresscard means laptop, means likely not a dedicated frontend |
| [17:20:05] | wagnerrp: | is this even a machine you intend to leave with the backend running all the time? |
| [17:20:39] | Some_Person: | No |
| [17:21:19] | awalls: | A live TV app might be a better choice than MythTV (but pause and resume is still nice to have). |
| [17:21:20] | Some_Person: | Would another program be more appropriate for me then? |
| [17:21:53] | wagnerrp: | if you are intending to use livetv only, absolutely, mythtv is not for you |
| [17:22:06] | Some_Person: | Ok, so what is appropriate for me? |
| [17:22:27] | awalls: | return -EINSUFFICIENTINFO |
| [17:22:27] | wagnerrp: | and if you cant leave the backend running all the time, such that it can record what it wants when it wants to, you're better off leaving some other machine to backend duties |
| [17:22:50] | Some_Person: | I just want to be able to occasionally use it for livetv |
| [17:22:58] | wagnerrp: | i dont know if totem can do tuner cards (or if its even still used in gnome3 for that matter) |
| [17:23:02] | awalls: | mplayer, kaffeine |
| [17:23:09] | wagnerrp: | so mplayer or VLC i gues |
| [17:23:10] | awalls: | vlc (maybe) |
| [17:23:10] | wagnerrp: | s |
| [17:23:15] | wagnerrp: | i wouldnt bother with kaffeine in gnome3 |
| [17:23:22] | Some_Person: | But how the hell do you set up a tuner card in mplayer or vlc? |
| [17:23:23] | awalls: | wagnerrp: true |
| [17:24:04] | wagnerrp: | mplayer dvb://0 |
| [17:24:06] | wagnerrp: | something like that |
| [17:24:20] | wagnerrp: | you need to use 'scan' and build a channels.conf for it to use |
| [17:24:21] | Some_Person: | CAN'T READ CONFIG FILE /etc/mplayer/channels.conf |
| [17:24:25] | Some_Person: | ah |
| [17:25:15] | awalls: | http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/TV_Related_Software |
| [17:26:04] | Some_Person: | The problem is that I have several stations that are difficult to pick up though; can scan *add* channels without starting over? |
| [17:26:22] | awalls: | scan dumps the channels found to stdout |
| [17:26:51] | Some_Person: | I'm running it now, and it already failed to find one channel |
| [17:27:06] | awalls: | It will fail to find channels on most of the spectrum |
| [17:27:19] | Some_Person: | No, I mean one that most certainly should be there |
| [17:27:23] | awalls: | It will output the ones your card can tune to. |
| [17:27:36] | Some_Person: | Assuming you currently have a good signal on every channel |
| [17:27:49] | Some_Person: | which I don't because I'm using a crappy little stick antenna |
| [17:27:53] | awalls: | Run it again at different times of day and it may pick up the channels you are looking for. |
| [17:28:08] | Some_Person: | I doubt it will ever find all of them in one scan |
| [17:28:40] | awalls: | Right, just capture the ones found with each scan. |
| [17:28:54] | awalls: | You can manually edit channels.conf to add the new ones |
| [17:29:34] | awalls: | If indoors, go upstairs to get better OTA reception. |
| [17:30:22] | wagnerrp: | got a pringles can? |
| [17:30:35] | awalls: | Mmmm, pringles... |
| [17:30:56] | awalls: | Got Weingard high gain amplifier? |
| [17:31:31] | wagnerrp: | cut it open, flatten it out, glue on some cut up coat hangers, bend it at an angle, and rig something up to hold it about two inches away from the dipole |
| [17:31:41] | wagnerrp: | should give you a quick couple dB gain |
| [17:32:11] | wagnerrp: | aluminum foil and a sheet of paper for some rigidity would do the same |
| [17:33:53] | awalls: | If you do have a directional antenna (or pringles can equivalent :) ), you can use antennaweb.org to find out where to point for various stations. |
| [17:34:11] | awalls: | (in the US at least) |
| [17:34:29] | wagnerrp: | or tvfool.com |
| [17:34:36] | wagnerrp: | similar information, somewhat different presentation |
| [17:35:02] | wagnerrp: | any idea what web application might use a 'songinfo.php'? |
| [17:35:14] | sphery: | So if you use a Pringles can to make an antenna to allow you to do a channel scan, is that a Pringle Scan? |
| [17:35:28] | wagnerrp: | seems someone spidering the web server, looking for a copy of one to perform some kind of attack |
| [17:36:18] | sphery: | wagnerrp: http://xforce.iss.net/xforce/xfdb/39463 |
| [17:36:51] | wagnerrp: | ah, what did you search for? |
| [17:36:57] | sphery: | songinfo.php attack |
| [17:37:01] | sphery: | :) |
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| [17:37:09] | wagnerrp: | 'songinfo.php' turned up a dozen or so different projects and reports of attacks |
| [17:37:09] | sphery: | used bing, though |
| [17:37:18] | wagnerrp: | looks like you needed the 'attack' part |
| [17:37:20] | sphery: | maybe it's MS that won it for me |
| [17:37:43] | wagnerrp: | yeah, always quick to report on those errors on "other" web programming languages |
| [17:37:55] | wagnerrp: | dirty dirty php, shoulda used asp.net |
| [17:38:00] | sphery: | hehe |
| [17:38:21] | sphery: | hey, they pay me to use their search--and it means I'm giving that much less info to Google--so it works for me |
| [17:38:35] | wagnerrp: | pay you? |
| [17:38:39] | awalls: | Reported Jan 2008? sheesh, is it still a viable vector? |
| [17:38:49] | sphery: | I've gotten $25 in MS Points and Amazon gift cards from them so far |
| [17:38:51] | wagnerrp: | no remedy available as of july 9, 2011 |
| [17:39:34] | awalls: | yum remove samPHPweb |
| [17:39:39] | sphery: | http://www.discoverbing.com/rewards/web |
| [17:40:12] | sphery: | oh, and I'm within about a week of getting my next $5 amazon gift card (since I have more MS points than I need, I've switched to amazon cards) |
| [17:40:22] | sphery: | actually, getting tango cards, which get me amazon cards |
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| [20:11:17] | ** iamlindoro wonders why we can't check whether we're on CentOS on configure and fail to build ;) ** | |
| [20:11:49] | [R]: | lol |
| [20:12:06] | [R]: | then people will just patch the script to disable that |
| [20:12:10] | [R]: | cuz surely they know better |
| [20:13:48] | wagnerrp: | they do seem to have an improbably large amount of of issues with their small user base |
| [20:15:36] | iamlindoro: | Astonishingly, it seems even worse than the old issues with SuSE |
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| [20:30:36] | wagnerrp: | linbox: when you say "watch tv", you mean you just want to watch live broadcasts? |
| [20:31:37] | linbox: | yes and probably record some tv shows while i'm watching something else or away from home |
| [20:32:13] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is designed as a server application |
| [20:32:33] | wagnerrp: | meaning it is always running (or has control over startup and shutdown of the computer it is running on) |
| [20:32:40] | wagnerrp: | and it has dedicated access to any tuners you tell it to use |
| [20:32:45] | [R]: | oh sh!t... is it self aware? |
| [20:32:59] | wagnerrp: | including any external set top boxes (cable box) you may have connected to it |
| [20:33:38] | wagnerrp: | it can do live viewing (or an approximate of that, delayed by a few seconds), but its primary purpose is recording for later viewing |
| [20:34:02] | linbox: | wagnerrp can I use mythtv to watch and record free or cable tv? |
| [20:34:32] | ** wagnerrp points to the several lines he just typed out above ** | |
| [20:35:47] | linbox: | ok , what kind of card do I need? |
| [20:35:51] | wagnerrp: | what im getting at is that you really want either a dedicated box for mythtv, or some other dedicated server that mythtv runs on with other server-type applications |
| [20:36:14] | wagnerrp: | this is not something you run on your PC |
| [20:36:21] | linbox: | I got a dedicated pc |
| [20:36:33] | wagnerrp: | rather you might run the frontend on your PC to connect to some dedicated backend elsewhere and view content |
| [20:36:40] | wagnerrp: | the tuner card you need depends on what you intend to capture |
| [20:36:46] | wagnerrp: | broadcast, cable, or satellit? |
| [20:36:59] | linbox: | the 1st 2 |
| [20:37:06] | wagnerrp: | what provider? |
| [20:37:21] | linbox: | att and later comcast |
| [20:37:45] | wagnerrp: | how much later, since it will make a difference on what hardware you want |
| [20:38:06] | linbox: | 4 months from now |
| [20:38:22] | linbox: | I will be using camcast |
| [20:38:54] | wagnerrp: | there are much better options for recording comcast than there are for recording uverse, if you can hold off for a few months |
| [20:39:05] | wagnerrp: | broadcast, any ATSC tuner supported in linux will do |
| [20:39:07] | wagnerrp: | !url tuners |
| [20:39:08] | MythLogBot: | tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information |
| [20:39:25] | wagnerrp: | uverse, you have no option but to do analog capture off their IPTV box |
| [20:39:52] | wagnerrp: | which means an MPEG encoder like an old PVR-150, or new HVR-1600 or HVR-2250 for standard definition |
| [20:40:10] | wagnerrp: | or an H264 encoder (HDPVR) if you want high definition |
| [20:40:57] | wagnerrp: | on comcast, pretty much everything but the premium channels will be marked 'copy freely' |
| [20:41:04] | wagnerrp: | which means mythtv can use a cablecard tuner |
| [20:41:13] | wagnerrp: | like a DCR-2650 or HDHomeRun Prime |
| [20:42:14] | wagnerrp: | if you want the premium channels, youre back to analog capture like on uverse |
| [20:46:07] | linbox: | wagnerrp thanks |
| [20:46:38] | wagnerrp: | note the cablecard tuner means you dont need a cable box, the tuner effectively is a cable box |
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| [21:01:06] | Oleg_: | man |
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| [21:12:24] | drindt: | when i want watching tv my mythfrontend crashes, in dmesg i found that: http://fpaste.org/FJJu/ |
| [21:13:04] | drindt: | someone can please give me a hint what it is? |
| [21:14:33] | sphery: | drindt: likely either your video driver installation is broken (meaning you need to reinstall drivers) or you're using a video output not properly supported by your drivers (i.e. using XvMC, which you shouldn't use) |
| [21:15:35] | drindt: | sphery, the frontend menu works fine, but when watching live tv or playback a dvd it crashes |
| [21:15:39] | sphery: | drindt: mythfrontend settings... Utilities/Setup|Setup|TV Settings|Playback, 3rd screen... Make sure your Playback Profile Group is either Slim, or if you have a VDPAU-capable video card, one of the VDPAU ones (start with VDPAU Slim, then move up until you see issues, then go back to the one lower one) |
| [21:15:58] | sphery: | I'm guessing it's set on CPU+, now, which no one should ever use |
| [21:16:18] | drindt: | its an nv ion chipset |
| [21:16:41] | wagnerrp: | then you should be using VDPAU Normal |
| [21:16:51] | drindt: | ok i will try that now |
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| [21:17:20] | wagnerrp: | in fact, anything but VDPAU Normal and VDPAU Slim will be too much for your system on most content |
| [21:17:35] | wagnerrp: | most content being HD these days |
| [21:17:40] | wagnerrp: | (at least it is over here) |
| [21:19:31] | drindt: | now i see just blue from the theme and frontend process is heating up the cpu |
| [21:20:08] | wagnerrp: | thats not possible |
| [21:20:17] | wagnerrp: | the desktop Atoms have no real idle mode |
| [21:20:27] | wagnerrp: | and put out nearly the same amount of heat regardless of what theyre doing |
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| [21:21:51] | drindt: | thats complete weird, i killed all mythfrontend processes and restart the frontend and now its working again... |
| [21:22:09] | sphery: | still make sure your playback profile group is set right |
| [21:25:58] | drindt: | switched to vdpau normal, when i now want playback of a recording i just get "please wait" followed by heavy disk actions and then nothing happens |
| [21:26:16] | wagnerrp: | what are you trying to play? |
| [21:26:36] | drindt: | a simple recording from last night |
| [21:26:38] | wagnerrp: | and why would your ION be reading anything from its OS disk anyway? |
| [21:26:40] | drindt: | not hd content |
| [21:27:08] | drindt: | wagnerrp, sorry i dont understand that question |
| [21:27:21] | wagnerrp: | you said there is heavy disk activity |
| [21:27:29] | wagnerrp: | there should be no reason to read anything from the disk |
| [21:27:42] | wagnerrp: | since it should be cached in shared library memory |
| [21:27:51] | drindt: | i select the recording to playback and the disk was active a lot |
| [21:28:16] | wagnerrp: | but the disk is elsewhere, in your backend, correct? |
| [21:28:18] | drindt: | i would explain the screen what is appearing after a selecting a recording |
| [21:28:33] | drindt: | wagnerrp, backend and frontend here on same machine. |
| [21:28:41] | wagnerrp: | on an Atom? |
| [21:28:44] | drindt: | yes |
| [21:29:04] | drindt: | that works for more than one year i had to reinstall the system and since i have just problems |
| [21:29:17] | drindt: | its atom 330 |
| [21:29:20] | drindt: | dual |
| [21:29:33] | drindt: | with 64 bits performs enough for us |
| [21:29:56] | wagnerrp: | well that just means its comparable to a 2004-era desktop, rather than a 2002-era one |
| [21:30:01] | drindt: | its also able to detect commercial during the record and watching live tv |
| [21:30:25] | drindt: | i am very sad that i dont get it working like before. :-( |
| [21:30:36] | drindt: | the frontend eats now all cpu time |
| [21:30:42] | drindt: | and plays nothing |
| [21:30:45] | drindt: | its a pity |
| [21:31:12] | wagnerrp: | its eating CPU right now? |
| [21:31:22] | wagnerrp: | can i see the last hour or so of frontend logs? |
| [21:31:29] | wagnerrp: | well... you just restarted |
| [21:31:37] | wagnerrp: | so pastebin the logs since you restarted the frontend |
| [21:37:43] | drindt: | om restarted, after switching the vdpau profile i haven't restarted |
| [21:37:50] | drindt: | so this was my problem |
| [21:38:01] | drindt: | now its working but without sound |
| [21:41:34] | drindt: | the tv is connected via hdmi and the motherboard sound device uses hdmi i choose that in the frontend but seems not to work. the channels all are unmuted... hrmpf |
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| [21:45:45] | drindt: | wagnerrp, i guess after switching the soundcard (guess i have to try all) i have to restart the frontent? |
| [21:46:51] | wagnerrp: | you shouldnt |
| [21:47:01] | wagnerrp: | you shouldnt have to restart it after changing the video profile either |
| [21:47:11] | wagnerrp: | i thought you restarted it recently because it crashed |
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| [22:10:23] | drindt: | wagnerrp, the live tv is working now but i experienced that some channels when tuning consume a lot of time to tune in, and then after 5 or 6 switches i got "unexpected recorder error". then i go back and just a few channels are possible to watch because the other channels are locked. |
| [22:10:31] | drindt: | then the fronted crashes again |
| [22:10:52] | wagnerrp: | digital tuner? |
| [22:11:02] | drindt: | http://fpaste.org/8HDw/ |
| [22:11:10] | wagnerrp: | is it possible something started recording, locking that tuner to that specific transponder? |
| [22:11:13] | drindt: | wagnerrp, WinTV PVR 930c |
| [22:11:31] | wagnerrp: | i cant do anything with this |
| [22:11:34] | drindt: | wagnerrp, no records are planned or running that time |
| [22:11:40] | wagnerrp: | backtraces in binary drivers are worthless to us |
| [22:12:00] | drindt: | i am sorry for that |
| [22:12:04] | wagnerrp: | the logs... need to see the logs |
| [22:12:23] | drindt: | frontend? |
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| [22:12:39] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [22:12:42] | drindt: | http://fpaste.org/BQpZ/ |
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| [22:19:03] | wagnerrp: | do you have any problem playing pre-recorded stuff? |
| [22:19:19] | wagnerrp: | erm... this is all pre-recorded, not live |
| [22:23:56] | wagnerrp: | did your backend potentially crash and restart around 11:06? |
| [22:24:42] | wagnerrp: | it loses access at 11:05:45, fails connection twice, and then connects at 11:06:01 |
| [22:24:49] | wagnerrp: | that was long enough to terminate the livetv session |
| [22:26:18] | wagnerrp: | now whats odd is that you appear to be running two playback instances simultaneously |
| [22:26:40] | wagnerrp: | as you have two context switches to WatchingLiveTV, without any switching back to None |
| [22:26:56] | wagnerrp: | with the first using the digital tuner, it locks the multiplex on that tuner |
| [22:27:13] | wagnerrp: | and the second instance is not allowed to change channels outside that multiplex on its virtual tuner |
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| [22:27:29] | mattwj2002: | hey guys |
| [22:27:35] | mattwj2002: | I need some help |
| [22:27:36] | mattwj2002: | :) |
| [22:28:28] | mattwj2002: | I have a wintv-dcr-2650 use to have a cablecard in it, but now it won't do OTA.....how do I get it to do OTA again? |
| [22:28:37] | wagnerrp: | remove the cablecard |
| [22:28:41] | mattwj2002: | done |
| [22:28:51] | wagnerrp: | perhaps theres some kind of reset on its webpage? |
| [22:29:52] | mattwj2002: | I'll look again |
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| [22:34:02] | mattwj2002: | I am going to try and fix this using windows |
| [22:34:25] | wagnerrp: | windows or linux makes no difference |
| [22:34:29] | wagnerrp: | its a network attached device |
| [22:34:44] | mattwj2002: | right but look at what I found |
| [22:34:57] | mattwj2002: | http://www.hauppauge.com/site/support/support_dcr-2650.html |
| [22:35:12] | mattwj2002: | Fixes some problems where Media Center indicates "No tuner available" |
| [22:35:33] | mattwj2002: | I had that problem when I tried in windows media center too |
| [22:35:39] | mattwj2002: | maybe it is affecting mythtv |
| [22:35:50] | wagnerrp: | ok? |
| [22:36:07] | mattwj2002: | also I am going to update the firmware |
| [22:36:07] | wagnerrp: | the DCR-2650 runs an embedded os, probably some blend of linux, and connects over the network |
| [22:36:21] | wagnerrp: | you should be able to do all that updating over the network on a linux box |
| [22:36:48] | mattwj2002: | okay |
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| [22:40:54] | iamlindoro: | The DCR-2650 won't DO OTA |
| [22:41:01] | iamlindoro: | Because neither will the Prime |
| [22:41:15] | iamlindoro: | ClearQAM, yes, ATSC OTA, no |
| [22:41:21] | wagnerrp: | oh.... ok |
| [22:41:38] | wagnerrp: | i was going to say, i thought they behaved as a standard HDHR when the CC was removed |
| [22:41:47] | iamlindoro: | The QAM part of one, yeah |
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| [22:55:45] | wagnerrp: | ugh... |
| [22:56:11] | wagnerrp: | guy on the tmdb discussion forum having problems registering for an API key |
| [22:56:29] | wagnerrp: | explains the problem, and then attaches a screenshot of the web page |
| [22:56:38] | wagnerrp: | the "screenshot" is a .docx file |
| [22:56:51] | [R]: | i love that |
| [22:56:54] | [R]: | people do that at my work |
| [22:57:45] | wagnerrp: | anyone who does that has clearly demonstrated they would have no clue what to do with any form of programming interface |
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| [23:05:12] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: isn't api's written in word? |
| [23:05:13] | AndyCap: | :) |
| [23:08:22] | wagnerrp: | AndyCap: when you make queries, they return in an excel database |
| [23:09:00] | AndyCap: | Naturally. |
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| [23:22:08] | Roklobsta: | i have 4 DVB tuners. how do I set up myth so i can have recording and 1 or more livetv sessions as well via other frontends without the livetv and recordins interfering. ideally if the live tv and recording were on the same transport then onbly one tuner should be used, right? |
| [23:22:40] | wagnerrp: | ideally... no |
| [23:22:59] | wagnerrp: | if anything is using a tuner, the other virtual tuners will be locked to that multiplex |
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| [23:23:30] | wagnerrp: | meaning if you are using live tv on that virtual tuner, you will only be able to browse channels on that multiplex |
| [23:23:50] | wagnerrp: | you will need to manually change to a new tuner card to access other channels |
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| [23:30:24] | Roklobsta: | OH! That's a bit counter intuitive |
| [23:30:42] | wagnerrp: | well... so is building a DVR to watch live tv |
| [23:31:21] | Roklobsta: | not really, watching livetv on a DVR over the network should be a breeze if you have all the |
| [23:31:24] | Roklobsta: | DVR bits working |
| [23:31:50] | iamlindoro: | We'll presume that's borne out in extensive experience writing your own |
| [23:32:31] | Roklobsta: | no need to get snarky |
| [23:33:13] | iamlindoro: | It's not snarkiness, it's outright declaration that you shouldn't say what's "a breeze" when you don't know how it works |
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| [23:35:14] | Roklobsta: | isn't livetv just treated as anther recording schdule? |
| [23:35:35] | iamlindoro: | No |
| [23:35:35] | sphery: | the problem is you're using a software based approach to simulate hardware |
| [23:35:46] | sphery: | if you want to be able to control the tuner, don't fake one with a virtual tuner |
| [23:35:59] | sphery: | i.e. max tuners of 1 on each card |
| [23:36:16] | sphery: | if you're too cheap to buy enough physical cards, then learn to switch to an unused tuner |
| [23:36:43] | sphery: | (that being my opinion on the matter... and I realize it's not necessarily a popular opinion) |
| [23:37:17] | iamlindoro: | It is, however, official opinion ;) |
| [23:37:22] | sid3windr: | if you press number keys to switch to a certain channel, does myth automagically change tuner card as well? or when on tuner x, it simply does not allow you to change to it? |
| [23:39:54] | sid3windr: | I seem to recall it does, isn't that good enough in that case? :) |
| [23:39:56] | sphery: | it will attempt to |
| [23:40:22] | sid3windr: | thought so :) |
| [23:40:33] | sphery: | however, changing to a channel on a different input in Live TV is currently, er, not perfect--likely because of all the attempts to fix all the previous brokennes |
| [23:40:36] | sphery: | s |
| [23:42:04] | Roklobsta: | alright, so most of the time there are at least 2 tuners free. what settinsg should be made so that livetv always chooses a free tuner or should I just soehow allocate 1 tuner for live only? |
| [23:43:05] | sphery: | there's no way to do either of those in 0.24-fixes and below |
| [23:43:16] | Roklobsta: | will 0.25 be more flexible? |
| [23:43:23] | sphery: | you can do a hack which will prioritize live tv over recordings--and likely make it so you can lose recordings |
| [23:43:47] | sphery: | but the best approach is to disable multirec if you want sole control of the tuner (=ability to tune other muxes) |
| [23:43:57] | Roklobsta: | oh so if i have some recordings going and i choose livetv what happens now? |
| [23:44:11] | sphery: | in 0.25 you'll have the ability to specify Live TV only tuners |
| [23:44:24] | Roklobsta: | ok that sounds good |
| [23:44:27] | sphery: | and you can more easily specify order in which tuners are chosen |
| [23:44:41] | sphery: | but, again, it will affect your system's ability to get recordings |
| [23:44:59] | sphery: | and since this is a DVR and not a DVLiveTV, that's probably not a good choice |
| [23:45:25] | sphery: | though is one that a /lot/ of users will make (and then the bug reports will come in... "MythTV didn't record my show") |
| [23:45:46] | sphery: | actually, disabling multirec is the 2nd best approach |
| [23:45:54] | sphery: | the /best/ approach is to never use Live TV |
| [23:46:05] | sphery: | instead, record anything and everything you might ever possibly want to watch |
| [23:46:09] | sphery: | and never use Live TV |
| [23:46:38] | sphery: | and I mean everything--including sports and news... http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/387302#387302 |
| [23:47:03] | Roklobsta: | oh ok. i have a friend who lives in a greoup house and wants to be able to stream individual live tv to multiple viewers. |
| [23:47:07] | Roklobsta: | so he needs more tuners |
| [23:47:39] | sphery: | no, he needs to train his users that they no longer have to live on the network's schedule |
| [23:47:41] | Roklobsta: | if multirec is disbaled will each livetv session automatically get it's own tuner allocated? |
| [23:47:47] | sphery: | (as described in the linked post) |
| [23:48:08] | sphery: | if multirec is disabled, then only one thing (recording or Live TV) will be able to use each hardware tuner |
| [23:48:16] | Roklobsta: | ok, so the days of cycling through channels looking for something to watch is over... |
| [23:48:23] | Roklobsta: | got it |
| [23:48:28] | sphery: | meaning that Live TV users will have exclusive access to the physical tuner--and the ability to change it to any channel it can receive |
| [23:48:34] | sphery: | so, yeah |
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| [23:48:48] | Roklobsta: | good i just wanted to be clear about the options. |
| [23:49:24] | sphery: | and, yeah, once you start to use a DVR to record everything--even things you might not watch--then you end up never going into Live TV and watching whatever garbage is airing now |
| [23:50:27] | sphery: | but instead go into Watch Recordings and choose from the 1809 recordings you have that you though, "that sounds kind of interesting," and choosing to watch something you actually want to watch--from the beginning, without missing the first 20min that already aired, and without having to watch commercials |
| [23:51:32] | sphery: | My system: 1809 programs, using 7.3 TB (2 months 11 days 9 hrs 16 mins) out of 9.1 TB (1.9 TB free). |
| [23:52:14] | sphery: | and I just deleted a bunch of old stuff I've since decided I won't watch since I lost a 1.5TB HDD |
| [23:52:21] | [R]: | 9TB... |
| [23:52:29] | [R]: | how many freakin drives do you have? |
| [23:52:45] | sphery: | Probably deleted 500GB of recordings (around 100 shows) |
| [23:52:46] | Seeker`: | you can do 9TB in 3 drives now |
| [23:53:03] | Roklobsta: | welll *I* have 4 dvb-t tuners with multirec set to 3 on each and we never watch livetv. my friend is in a group house and is trying to promote mythtv amongst his housemates. |
| [23:53:18] | Roklobsta: | they want to watch livetv and flip through channels |
| [23:53:25] | ** kormoc waits for the 16tb limit on ext4 to be lifted ** | |
| [23:53:39] | sphery: | I have 6 drives, now... 1x750GB, 1x1.5TB, and 4x2TB |
| [23:53:42] | [R]: | what do you need iwth a 16tb filesystem? |
| [23:53:56] | [R]: | that sounds scary |
| [23:53:56] | Seeker`: | [R]: storage for vidoes |
| [23:53:58] | kormoc: | [R], to store more files? |
| [23:54:05] | [R]: | you can make multiple filesystems... |
| [23:54:11] | Roklobsta: | i am getting nervous about my 4.7TB of drives and the utter lack of backup for them. |
| [23:54:13] | kormoc: | in this case, it's actually just a backup set |
| [23:54:45] | kormoc: | mirrored across four boxes, so individual drive/card/server failure isn't a problem |
| [23:54:45] | Roklobsta: | sphery: do you have any sort of RAID? |
| [23:55:09] | sphery: | [R]: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/01/19/inphase_storex/ ... "Dr Eugen Pavel is the CEO of Storex Technologies, and he tells us: 'Storex Technologies Inc. has developed a novel optical lithography technique with a resolution of 2nm half-pitch lines ... The capacity of an optical disc based on 2nm optical lithography is estimated at 100 Exabytes (one hundred billion GB).'" |
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| [23:55:28] | ** sphery waits for his 100EB disc ** | |
| [23:55:40] | Roklobsta: | sphery: sure he can write it, but can he read it? |
| [23:55:42] | [R]: | but im sure its writeonce... |
| [23:55:52] | sphery: | Roklobsta: no, decided it's not worth the cost... it's just tv |
| [23:56:01] | kormoc: | sphery, wait for the Double Sided and Duel Layer disks |
| [23:56:14] | Roklobsta: | sphery: true. just back up the mythdb |
| [23:56:43] | sphery: | just had a HDD die... had 283 recordings on it and I only lost 2 (but I caught this one fast)... had one die last year--and didn't notice it until it was completely dead (like couldn't even run the manufacturer's tool on it to get an error code) and lost 171 recordings |
| [23:56:48] | [R]: | kormoc: i love when my disc layers fight to the death |
| [23:56:51] | Roklobsta: | i already replaced one drive when it went clicky even though SMART reported no problems. |
| [23:57:13] | sphery: | Roklobsta: hehe, is reading the data really important? |
| [23:57:17] | Seeker`: | I lost all of my James Bond DVD rips when a drive died. Going to have to redo them sometime |
| [23:57:38] | sphery: | Roklobsta: we'll just write it, now, and one day they'll invent the technology required to read it |
| [23:58:01] | Roklobsta: | sphery: does Mrs Sphery share your Bhuddist attitude to recordings? |
| [23:58:05] | sphery: | Seeker`: hehe, that's how wagnerrp ended up upgrading lots of his HD-DVDs to BluRay |
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| [23:58:30] | sphery: | (he lost a drive and then when he went to re-rip the HD-DVDs, he found the media had gone bad with layers separating) |
| [23:58:34] | Roklobsta: | Seeker: you own the DVDs, just download the blueray versions. |
| [23:58:44] | sphery: | you can't do that |
| [23:58:50] | sphery: | and you definintely can't say it in here |
| [23:58:54] | Seeker`: | I don't own the blurays |
| [23:59:12] | ** iamlindoro stands by ** | |
| [23:59:43] | Seeker`: | I own the DVDs, so I back them up on to my computer |
| [23:59:55] | Roklobsta: | whups, i *meant* record the HD versions when they are on TV |
| [23:59:57] | sphery: | yes, time for a channel reminder: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/IRC#Legally-Dubious_Content |
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