| Tuesday, January 17th, 2012, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:17] | wagnerrp: | there have been issues between previous version of mythtv and the driver, but those have all been ironed out long ago |
| [00:00:28] | ertyu: | running mythbuntu 11.10 |
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| [00:01:35] | ertyu: | it works fine for a while, then recordings start failing and live tv won't lock on |
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| [00:17:26] | wagnerrp: | hahaha |
| [00:17:44] | wagnerrp: | German BASF os |
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| [00:18:08] | wagnerrp: | is "outsourcing' their R&D labs to the US, over european concerns of genetically modified plants |
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| [00:18:26] | wagnerrp: | stupid right hand... was shifted over a key |
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| [00:40:50] | wagnerrp: | sphery: have you noticed problems where you have to distclean mythplugins before building it again? |
| [00:49:36] | sphery: | I haven't built it twice in the same repo, lately |
| [00:50:16] | wagnerrp: | the last couple times ive built it, i uninstall both, build core, install core, build plugins |
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| [00:50:26] | wagnerrp: | and then it complains about linking errors when i try to install plugins |
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| [00:55:17] | wagnerrp: | sphery: do you know if a stock linux install might have any hardlinked files? |
| [00:57:12] | sphery: | there are several |
| [00:57:22] | sphery: | though I think it's mainly just random packages |
| [00:57:51] | wagnerrp: | but find/cpio should copy those properly, right? meaning no duplicate files |
| [00:57:56] | sphery: | yeah |
| [00:58:19] | sphery: | I use find . -print0 | cpio -dpmv0 /new/path , and it works properly |
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| [00:58:43] | wagnerrp: | somehow, im growing about 15% usage doing that |
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| [00:59:11] | sphery: | different file system characteristics? |
| [00:59:29] | sphery: | like block sizes or such? |
| [00:59:40] | wagnerrp: | same behavior with both zfs and jfs as the resultant filesystem |
| [01:00:12] | wagnerrp: | im just going to ignore it and build fresh overnight |
| [01:00:52] | sphery: | yeah, not sure what it could be |
| [01:01:06] | sphery: | I don't think there's be that many sparse files or anythhing |
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| [01:01:56] | wagnerrp: | i know when i was running my firewall on a 512MB CF card, i had a problem just copying the root fs onto it |
| [01:02:20] | wagnerrp: | since freebsd has some 150 recovery utilities stuffed into a single 4MB busybox-type application |
| [01:02:35] | wagnerrp: | but find/cpio worked just fine in that case |
| [01:03:46] | sphery: | yeah, only issue I've seen with cpio is files not being copied (because they're larger than 2GiB--though most distros patch around that and break the cpio archive format) |
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| [01:40:27] | wagnerrp: | aww |
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| [02:08:35] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: So it's good? |
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| [02:09:29] | wagnerrp: | interesting so far |
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| [02:36:28] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: you watched lost, how did the fat guy ever survive? |
| [02:38:15] | iamlindoro: | Because the island wanted him |
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| [02:39:24] | wagnerrp: | and it took them four years to figure this out? |
| [02:39:34] | wagnerrp: | no one was confused by this fact earlier? |
| [02:40:08] | iamlindoro: | Wasn't four years, was a number of months, then they were forward a few years, then another month or so |
| [02:40:17] | iamlindoro: | and the forwards a few years was off the island |
| [02:41:01] | wagnerrp: | (fat guy is back on alcatraz) |
| [02:41:27] | iamlindoro: | yeah, I saw that |
| [02:41:56] | wagnerrp: | seems hes eaten well since his time on the island |
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| [02:47:05] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: did he by chance have any "theories involving wormholes" in lost? |
| [02:47:20] | bonelifer: | anyone here have a setup with a HDHomeRun that's manually cut the commercials? I'm wondering if maybe my problem with editing might have to do with bad RAM. I notice since I bought it some people have reported problems with it. Basically I've had the computer go to a black screen and freeze or reboot. Other times it just errors out of the frontend. |
| [02:47:52] | wagnerrp: | bonelifer: do you ever compile anything? |
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| [02:48:08] | bonelifer: | straight Mythbuntu 11.10 |
| [02:48:19] | wagnerrp: | hardware errors often exhibit themselves when doing significant compiling |
| [02:48:26] | bonelifer: | no |
| [02:48:50] | wagnerrp: | its just an intensive operation that results in "strange" compile issues if hardware instability exists |
| [02:49:01] | bonelifer: | sometimes on SD content, I'll have to save and exit and re-enter as it will temp freeze |
| [02:49:22] | wagnerrp: | otherwise, you could try running memtest, or some CPU benchmark |
| [02:49:23] | bonelifer: | I haven't compiled anything. |
| [02:49:35] | wagnerrp: | something else intensive to try to trip it up |
| [02:49:44] | wagnerrp: | but i havent experienced such issues |
| [02:52:33] | bonelifer: | hmm, seems that Newegg deactivated it due to a high return rate. didn't see that before. |
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| [03:05:41] | iamlindoro: | deactivated what? |
| [03:06:39] | bonelifer: | ie, it's enter on their site. |
| [03:06:52] | bonelifer: | entry even |
| [03:07:06] | iamlindoro: | where it is *what*? |
| [03:07:07] | wagnerrp: | whatever product he thinks is causing problems |
| [03:08:10] | bonelifer: | the RAM |
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| [03:26:38] | wagnerrp: | oh no, hes devolving! |
| [03:27:26] | iamlindoro: | There can be only one |
| [03:28:08] | wagnerrp: | does this mean what we have before us is a now more powerful developer? |
| [03:28:11] | Captain_Murdoch: | ran into the "can't join #mythtv-theming while banned" error again evidently during a recent netsplit and didn't realize it till now. |
| [03:28:15] | ** wagnerrp cues the lightning show ** | |
| [03:28:28] | ** wagnerrp cues the bagpipe music ** | |
| [03:28:32] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Yes, though it also means you're next |
| [03:29:00] | ** wagnerrp cues the Run Away! Run Away! Run Away! ** | |
| [03:31:34] | iamlindoro: | Which of course presumes we are working in reverse alphabetical order |
| [03:36:18] | wagnerrp: | hehehe |
| [03:36:42] | wagnerrp: | "in less than 26 hours, the english wikipedia will be blacked out globally in protest of sopa and pipa." |
| [03:36:47] | wagnerrp: | i guess they didnt get the memo |
| [03:38:05] | wagnerrp: | SOPA wont even make it to the house floor for a vote |
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| [03:41:14] | kisak: | anyone around with mythweb for 0.25 that's up to date? |
| [03:42:00] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [03:43:11] | kisak: | I'd just like to know if the flowplayer video works for you |
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| [03:43:35] | wagnerrp: | last time i tried it a couple weeks ago |
| [03:44:03] | kisak: | 2 weeks ago should be good enough |
| [03:44:22] | iamlindoro: | Flowplayer working fine with most recent mythweb here |
| [03:44:44] | iamlindoro: | Which is not a surprise since nothing has changed in it for ages |
| [03:44:48] | kisak: | hmm ... so it's just my setup that's off kilter |
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| [03:47:16] | kisak: | perhaps my system ffmpeg isn't the same, what version do you have on your end? |
| [03:47:46] | wagnerrp: | the same version you have on your end |
| [03:47:56] | kisak: | it's 0.7.8 here |
| [03:48:06] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [03:48:24] | wagnerrp: | assuming you have your web server on the same machine as your backend, mythweb will use mythffmpeg |
| [03:48:34] | wagnerrp: | which uses whatever version ffmpeg is packaged inside mythtv |
| [03:49:11] | kisak: | I have not seen a running thread of mythffmpeg on my server |
| [03:49:28] | wagnerrp: | have you seen one of ffmpeg? |
| [03:50:00] | kisak: | not recently, last time I saw flowplayer working, yes |
| [03:50:06] | kisak: | that was quite a while ago |
| [03:50:20] | wagnerrp: | i dont recall off hand if mythffmpeg made it into 0.24 |
| [03:50:25] | wagnerrp: | or if it was new for 0.25 |
| [03:53:51] | kisak: | happen to know what I need to do to increase (what I assume is apache's) logging to the point where I can figure out what is actually failing? |
| [03:54:37] | wagnerrp: | my bet is that ffmpeg, or mythffmpeg, is not compiled with the necessary options |
| [03:56:41] | kisak: | 'faac ieee1394 lame perl python x264' are the useflags enabled for mythtv '3dnow 3dnowext bzip2 encode faac hardcoded-tables ieee1394 mmx mmxext mp3 network qt-faststart ssse3 threads truetype x264 zlib' for ffmpeg |
| [03:57:00] | wagnerrp: | sounds like gentoo |
| [03:57:24] | [R]: | if it smells like gentoo, and sounds like gentoo... it's probably gentoo |
| [04:13:26] | iamlindoro: | Of course, it might just be patchouli |
| [04:20:24] | kisak: | if mythffmpeg is being used, grep -rin mythffmpeg /path/to/mythweb/ should get a hit or two ... right? |
| [04:20:53] | iamlindoro: | which it does |
| [04:20:59] | iamlindoro: | or you're not using current mythweb |
| [04:21:53] | iamlindoro: | eg, if you're expecting the ebuild to be current mythweb like the last guy on the list |
| [04:22:16] | iamlindoro: | mythweb should be checked out and manually installed |
| [04:22:17] | kisak: | I grabbed mythweb on January 8th |
| [04:22:36] | kisak: | (not from portage) |
| [04:22:38] | iamlindoro: | mythffmpeg has been in there for ages |
| [04:22:50] | iamlindoro: | if you're not getting hits from a grep for mythffmpeg, you're doing something wrong |
| [04:23:01] | iamlindoro: | either the grep, or the checkout/install |
| [04:23:03] | kisak: | grep running now |
| [04:23:16] | iamlindoro: | running now? Should be a second at most to run |
| [04:23:51] | kisak: | then where did it wander into ... I wonder |
| [04:24:15] | kisak: | 9 1/2 minutes on the cpu clock |
| [04:24:41] | iamlindoro: | real 0m0.324s |
| [04:24:52] | iamlindoro: | That's how long it takes for me, with two instances of mythffmpeg |
| [04:27:56] | wagnerrp: | grep? or git grep? |
| [04:28:04] | iamlindoro: | grep |
| [04:28:36] | wagnerrp: | on, missed the '-r' |
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| [04:29:51] | kisak: | it must not like me |
| [04:29:52] | wagnerrp: | gah! |
| [04:30:02] | wagnerrp: | my keyboard got hosed, and then the whole x-server crapped out |
| [04:31:25] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: ars article on scummvm you may be interested in |
| [04:50:06] | kisak: | I'd need to NFS export the recordings folders to run tests on a second box, right? |
| [04:50:36] | kisak: | (mythweb again) |
| [04:55:18] | wagnerrp: | the content needs to be available on the filesystem where mythtv would be looking for it |
| [04:55:26] | wagnerrp: | mythweb will not pull the content from a remote backend |
| [04:55:38] | kisak: | okay |
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| [15:51:39] | Ankhwatcher: | hi, I'd like to transcode my recordings to avi or something else which is more android friendly, how can I do this? |
| [15:53:03] | tank-man: | you can setup a user job to run after recordings |
| [15:53:11] | tank-man: | user job = a script |
| [15:53:33] | wagnerrp: | Ankhwatcher: what distro are you using? |
| [15:53:41] | tank-man: | if you record in mpeg2, android can play that |
| [15:53:43] | Ankhwatcher: | ubuntu |
| [15:54:05] | wagnerrp: | on mythbuntu, you might want to check out mythexport |
| [15:54:36] | Ankhwatcher: | my recordings should be in whatever the default is. |
| [15:55:02] | Ankhwatcher: | are hd and sd encoded in different formats? |
| [15:55:19] | tank-man: | depends on your capture card and settings |
| [15:55:53] | wagnerrp: | the only time mythtv encodes anything is when recording from an analog framegrabber |
| [15:56:13] | wagnerrp: | MPEG encoder cards and digital tuners effectively dump whatever they output straight to disk |
| [15:57:09] | Ankhwatcher: | I'm using dvb-s2 |
| [15:57:33] | wagnerrp: | then you likely have h264 in an mpeg2ts container |
| [16:00:59] | Ankhwatcher: | will mythexport files be automatically deleted like recordings are? |
| [16:01:16] | wagnerrp: | probably |
| [16:01:38] | wagnerrp: | most importantly, it manages the transcoded files independently of the recording |
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| [16:01:51] | wagnerrp: | so you arent pointlessly degrading local playback |
| [16:02:51] | Ankhwatcher: | good |
| [16:04:12] | Ankhwatcher: | when it says: Export Recordings to: does it mean it's copying the originals there or saving the output there? |
| [16:05:05] | wagnerrp: | likely saving the output to |
| [16:05:09] | wagnerrp: | to be honest, ive never used it |
| [16:06:01] | Ankhwatcher: | no worries, I'm sure I'll find out soon enough |
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| [17:33:18] | wagnerrp: | [26886] |
| [17:33:18] | MythLogBot: | SVN 26886: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/d1359b9e |
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| [18:29:30] | awalls: | [26887] |
| [18:29:30] | MythLogBot: | SVN 26887: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/21c7ea02 |
| [18:29:35] | awalls: | Neat. |
| [18:32:37] | wagnerrp: | theres also... http://code.mythtv.org/svnredirect/26887 |
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| [18:39:13] | Anomaly` is now known as Anomaly`|NotHere | |
| [18:41:24] | sphery: | :) and also /q MythLogBot svn 26887 |
| [18:41:49] | sphery: | see... Oh, I guess you can't |
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| [19:14:29] | wagnerrp: | anyone who compresses 4K video down to 20Mbps should not be given a camera capable of taking 4K video |
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| [19:20:01] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: btw, turning the NFS mounts to sync solved the issue related to the HDPVR killer script not working for recordings, but it's not working with live tv... let me know when you're around and I'll give you some more details |
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| [19:36:11] | wagnerrp: | gah! |
| [19:36:16] | wagnerrp: | i want to order lunch and chipotle is down |
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| [19:41:19] | sphery: | skd5aner: hdpvr killer script not working with live tv or live tv not working with sync? |
| [19:43:09] | sphery: | and you still have actimeo=0 |
| [19:43:25] | sphery: | right (almost definitely required for live tv... at most, could probably be 1) |
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| [19:59:36] | njustinc: | I have an issue with auto-expire I have a 11TB array and auto-expire starts erasing data around 2.8 TB, Myth 0.23 |
| [20:00:27] | njustinc: | I ran df -h and output show the entire driver of 11TB |
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| [20:02:37] | sphery: | njustinc: how many file systems? just the one? |
| [20:04:07] | sphery: | njustinc: also, can you post a screencap of the backend status page (either from mythweb's Backend Status link or http://<backendaddress>:6544/ |
| [20:04:16] | sphery: | specifically the "Machine Information" section |
| [20:05:38] | njustinc: | ok give me minute |
| [20:07:27] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i dont know about you, but im very averse to the entire concept of JSONP |
| [20:07:49] | sphery: | jsonp? |
| [20:08:33] | wagnerrp: | wrapping a JSON block with 'exec()', so it gets called and avoids some issue with the client pulling from multiple locations |
| [20:09:02] | sphery: | ahhh... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JSONP |
| [20:09:08] | sphery: | is there a ticket for it, now or something? |
| [20:09:09] | wagnerrp: | its effectively pulling a javascript program that initializes the array |
| [20:09:29] | sphery: | yeah, that's pretty scary |
| [20:10:02] | wagnerrp: | mailing list comment with a couple wikipedia links, and a completely arbitrary link to the wiki feature wishlist |
| [20:10:07] | sphery: | in theory, we wouldn't need it, right? (since we have only one json server we need to use--the master backend's) |
| [20:10:58] | sphery: | so, at least a lot of people are questioning users' desire to use centos (especially 5) |
| [20:14:59] | njustinc: | ok got the Screen cap |
| [20:15:13] | Seeker`: | "I want to use a year old kernel for stability, but have all of the new features"? |
| [20:15:44] | njustinc: | how do I send it |
| [20:16:09] | sphery: | Seeker`: exactly... hehe |
| [20:16:10] | wagnerrp: | Seeker`: s/year old/five year old/ |
| [20:16:22] | sphery: | njustinc: any kind of imagebin would be fine |
| [20:16:38] | njustinc: | Im using pidgin and do not see away to post a image |
| [20:16:49] | sphery: | something like: http://imagebin.org/ (and note that browsing other images on there is likely NSFW) |
| [20:17:06] | wagnerrp: | Seeker`: ok, only four and a half |
| [20:17:41] | Seeker`: | wagnerrp: thats much better :P |
| [20:17:49] | njustinc: | http://imagebin.org/194150 |
| [20:17:56] | sphery: | wagnerrp: that's the new definition of stability... use a software version that was at one point stable, and backport all the unstable features |
| [20:18:06] | sphery: | it results in a mix of stable/unstable that stabilifies the unstable |
| [20:18:27] | sphery: | this is why we should backport every single change that goes into master |
| [20:18:39] | wagnerrp: | stabilify? |
| [20:18:42] | sphery: | then we'd have 0.24-fixes with all the bells and whistles of unstable, but with stability! |
| [20:19:02] | sphery: | njustinc: which specific recordings are expiring |
| [20:19:36] | sphery: | njustinc: in theory, unless you have stuff in the Live TV recording group, nothing will be expired until the file system is full |
| [20:20:09] | njustinc: | there expiring in order just after 2.8TB |
| [20:20:12] | Seeker`: | its like homeopathy, as long as one part of the system was once stable, it doesn't matter how much unstable stuff you put in, it still retins the stability of the original system |
| [20:20:22] | njustinc: | I would like to use the entire 11TB |
| [20:20:34] | sphery: | njustinc: where "full" means space free is at or under the value you specified for "Extra disk space (GB): Extra disk space (in gigabytes) beyond what beyond what " "MythTV" |
| [20:20:41] | sphery: | oops, bad paste |
| [20:20:47] | sphery: | anyway, you get the idea |
| [20:21:16] | njustinc: | I set the Extra disk to 1 |
| [20:21:26] | njustinc: | which I beleive is default |
| [20:21:54] | sphery: | we'll need a backend log (ideally with backend running with -v file or -v file,extra) showing the autoexpiration occuring |
| [20:22:29] | sphery: | and I would very much love to get that info... others have said there is a problem, but none of the devs have been able to repro it, so I'm pretty sure it's a misconfiguration |
| [20:23:03] | njustinc: | how do I grab the backend log? |
| [20:23:17] | sphery: | njustinc: note, also, that the whole 3.4GB of recordings in the Live TV recording group /will/ expire even with your existing file systems having so much room free |
| [20:23:27] | sphery: | live tv is expired after 24 hrs |
| [20:23:53] | sphery: | (or after X days where X is between 1 and 7 if you change a useless setting that allows you to specify when it expires) |
| [20:23:58] | sphery: | a setting that /should/ die |
| [20:24:15] | sphery: | the logs are likely in /var/log/mythtv |
| [20:24:22] | njustinc: | i dont watch live TV |
| [20:24:29] | njustinc: | ok let me grab the logs |
| [20:24:30] | sphery: | well, you have 4GB of Live TV |
| [20:24:47] | njustinc: | Thanks for your help |
| [20:24:57] | sphery: | granted, you have 2.8TB of other recordings... but just saying that the live tv stuff /will/ expire |
| [20:25:12] | njustinc: | Gotcha that must of been random channel surfing when testing |
| [20:25:21] | sphery: | note, also, that as far as autoexpire is concerned, a recording with a rule set to Live TV recording group /is/ Live TV (and will expire after a day) |
| [20:25:46] | sphery: | yeah, looks small enough to be just testing, but wanted to make sure that's not what you're seeing being expired |
| [20:28:56] | sphery: | njustinc: also, what do you have set for Storage Group disk scheduler? |
| [20:29:15] | sphery: | in theory, it shouldn't matter with only a single file system, but... |
| [20:31:41] | njustinc: | alright grab the log |
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| [20:31:48] | njustinc: | where do you want it posted |
| [20:32:04] | sphery: | pastebin.com would be fine |
| [20:32:48] | sphery: | feel free to tell it to expire soon, if you don't want it staying up there long |
| [20:34:13] | njustinc: | exceeds the file limit |
| [20:34:26] | njustinc: | going to IM you |
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| [20:34:41] | sphery: | is this a new log file you created or one that has all your running history? |
| [20:34:50] | sphery: | if the latter, you can just trim out the old stuff |
| [20:35:57] | sphery: | or if you have somewhere else to post it, you can PM a link to me |
| [20:36:19] | sphery: | I don't have any IRC file receive capabilities, though |
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| [20:38:37] | sphery: | ah, and if you try to PM the whole log, you'll probably get kicked for flooding |
| [20:39:10] | njustinc: | just crashed my app |
| [20:39:14] | njustinc: | lol |
| [20:39:18] | sphery: | hehe, or that :) |
| [20:39:35] | sphery: | there is also filebin or google docs or whatever |
| [20:39:50] | sphery: | or dropbox or ... |
| [20:40:21] | njustinc: | here is some it |
| [20:40:22] | njustinc: | http://pastebin.com/VZbPrjcs |
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| [20:41:35] | sphery: | njustinc: hmmm... have you considered updating to 0.24-fixes? |
| [20:42:06] | njustinc: | I have, but did not a fix for my issue in the changelog |
| [20:42:24] | sphery: | wagnerrp: was 0.23-fixes version [24158] the buggy, pre-release version that went out with *buntu? |
| [20:42:24] | MythLogBot: | SVN 24158: (branch fixes/0.23) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/67b5afcf |
| [20:42:45] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [20:42:50] | wagnerrp: | with 10.04 |
| [20:43:22] | sphery: | njustinc: you definitely need to at least update to current 0.23-fixes... probably can with http://mythbuntu.org/repos (I'm assuming you're running some Ubuntu version) |
| [20:43:40] | sphery: | there were a ton of known bugs in the version you have--that may actually be related or have some effect |
| [20:43:48] | njustinc: | running a Ubuntu 9.10 |
| [20:43:53] | njustinc: | ok |
| [20:44:07] | sphery: | ah, they probably don't have packages for one that old, then.... :( |
| [20:44:12] | njustinc: | I will start with updating before taking this any further |
| [20:45:02] | sphery: | njustinc: anyway, I don't think I can get any useful info from that log |
| [20:45:06] | njustinc: | is updating straight forward or should I start from stratch |
| [20:45:32] | sphery: | it doesn't have any expiration showing (only messages saying you don't need much space... "AutoExpire: CalcParams(): Max required Free Space: 3.0 GB w/freq: 14 min") |
| [20:45:36] | njustinc: | sphery: wrong log? |
| [20:45:45] | sphery: | right log, just wrong verbose level |
| [20:46:48] | sphery: | you need to run mythbackend with -v file,extra or, after starting the master backend normally, run: mythbackend --setverbose file,extra |
| [20:47:11] | skd5aner: | sphery: killer script is not working with Live TV – When Live TV starts, it kicks off the channel change script. When the HDPVR kicks on, the blue recording LED will pop on for a few seconds and a dummy file is created (0 bytes), then the LED light kicks back off as it syncs the signal from the STB, this usally takes ~10 seconds before recording is stabilized... |
| [20:47:14] | sphery: | that should give info on what it's doing and why |
| [20:48:38] | skd5aner: | sphery: So, mythtv sends 2 EventCmdRecStarted events it seems (when starting Live TV)... the first is always a 0 byte file, and the second works as expected... |
| [20:48:38] | njustinc: | sphery: is that that exact command mythbackend --setverbose file,extra |
| [20:49:32] | skd5aner: | sphery: so the script is running twice, usually about 2 to 5 seconds apart... since the first file is a dummy and never grows, it kills the HD-PVR and therefore kills the good recording |
| [20:50:27] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: ^^^ (so I don't have to re-explain it all when you return :) ) |
| [20:51:07] | skd5aner: | njustinc: mythbackend --verbose file,extra |
| [20:51:46] | sphery: | skd5aner: I think so... assuming it works on 0.23, too... try: mythbackend --help | grep setverbose |
| [20:51:52] | sphery: | er, njustinc ^^^ |
| [20:52:17] | jpabq: | skd5aner: FYI, I ended up taking the "killer" out of my setup. It was actually causing my hd pvr's to be less stable. I don't know why, but I am guessing they don't pass enough electricity, or it is not clean in some way. |
| [20:52:19] | sphery: | skd5aner: I thought Beirdo had the script set up to ignore live tv (or somehow ignore the dummy file, at least).... |
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| [20:52:49] | jpabq: | skd5aner: may be very dependent on the version of the hd pvr, though |
| [20:53:13] | sphery: | jpabq: is yours one of the old/original ones (the ones that had power-supply problems)? |
| [20:53:14] | skd5aner: | jpabq: interesting... I'll have to keep an eye on it. I did notice that the plug isn't quite the right size, so any movement can cause it to flicker on and off – which is obviously undesirable |
| [20:53:16] | sphery: | just curious |
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| [20:54:01] | jpabq: | sphery: I had to replace a first generation model recently. So, I have a second generation, and a latest generation. |
| [20:54:23] | skd5aner: | sphery: not sure – I wish I could better "read" a script, but there wasn't anythign in there that was obvious enough to me... I can do a ps aux | grep .pl and see the script running twice during the "delay" time before it tries to check for 0 bytes |
| [20:54:34] | skd5aner: | and there start time is just a few seconds apart |
| [20:54:39] | skd5aner: | s/there/the |
| [20:55:13] | skd5aner: | I've got a NIB one as well, but only 1 STB |
| [20:55:30] | skd5aner: | so – it just sits there, because I'm too cheap to pay something like $10/mo to rent a second STB :P |
| [20:55:32] | skd5aner: | how rediculous |
| [20:55:50] | sphery: | hehe |
| [20:55:57] | sphery: | skd5aner: is CableCARD not an option for you? |
| [20:56:01] | skd5aner: | TWC |
| [20:56:07] | sphery: | ahh... of course |
| [20:56:21] | skd5aner: | I'm probably moving within a year |
| [20:56:39] | skd5aner: | I joked with the wife just last night that we've got to find an address served by comcast |
| [20:57:02] | justinh: | heh. cable will be pretty much a must-have when we move. IF we ever get to move |
| [20:57:10] | sphery: | speaking of "excessively locked down", did you hear that Google is requiring vendors to use 128-bit AES encryption on firmware loaders for tablets/phones to get access to many Google services |
| [20:57:14] | justinh: | I'm not gonna be able to put up with crummy ADSL |
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| [20:57:54] | sphery: | things like the Google video rental service app and all |
| [20:58:02] | ** wagnerrp is still on what he considers decent ADSL ** | |
| [20:58:08] | sphery: | this meaning that you can't install, i.e., Cyanogenmod |
| [20:58:08] | skd5aner: | I remember the days of ADSL... wondering why my SNR and rates were good some days and in the pooper others |
| [20:58:15] | justinh: | wagnerrp: decent ADSL doesn't exist in the UK |
| [20:58:32] | wagnerrp: | sure, its only 5M/768k |
| [20:58:38] | skd5aner: | sphery: kinda lame |
| [20:58:54] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: how much a mo for the service? |
| [20:58:56] | wagnerrp: | but with my own block of addresses, and they leave me alone |
| [20:59:04] | ** justinh installed Cyanogenmod on his phone today. It was sweet, apart from the not being able to make or receive phonecalls part ** | |
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| [20:59:12] | wagnerrp: | like $20/mo, when you tack on phone and cell service |
| [20:59:49] | justinh: | and this, was the 'stable' branch. I think these newbs have something to learn about what they can call 'stable' |
| [20:59:49] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: and who's the ISP? I used to use speakeasy back ~2004 |
| [21:00:08] | sphery: | I was at a hotel that piped their high-speed internet over phone lines to wifi routers that were in select rooms (including my room). Couldn't connect to the router, so I called the tech support guy and he had me try to connect and it worked fine. Hung up, tried to connect, and it didn't work. Turned out taking the phone off the hook changed the signal enough that the DSL modem worked--but only with the phone off the hook. |
| [21:00:11] | wagnerrp: | cincinnati bell |
| [21:00:26] | skd5aner: | I've got cyanogenmod on my HP Touchpad... I would say android is at least 4x faster than WebOS on the same device |
| [21:00:56] | justinh: | skd5aner: I can't argue that CM7 wasn't faster than anything I'd ever tried, but when you can't use a phone as a phone .. er... |
| [21:00:59] | skd5aner: | that, obviously, is a subjective estimate – but it's drastically faster |
| [21:01:21] | sphery: | justinh: no one makes calls on their smartphones, anymore... I mean the phones are smart, so you don't need to call other people |
| [21:01:26] | justinh: | I'm gonna have to try & build my own one of these days |
| [21:01:35] | justinh: | sphery: lol |
| [21:01:38] | sphery: | just have a nice conversation with Siri/Majel, and you don't need people |
| [21:01:39] | skd5aner: | justinh: yea, I wouldn't say CM7 is faster than a stock android for a particular device – but I will say WebOS on the touchpad sucks BIG ONEs... even my wife won't touch it |
| [21:01:50] | justinh: | I also hate the icons in 2.3 |
| [21:02:20] | ** sphery is still waiting to be able to run a nice, standard GNU/Linux system on a phone before he goes smart ** | |
| [21:02:32] | sphery: | i.e. not a cut-down POC |
| [21:02:33] | justinh: | you'll have a looooong wait methinks |
| [21:02:42] | skd5aner: | sphery is likely to be "dumb" for a lonnnnnnng time then |
| [21:02:43] | sphery: | not as long as you think |
| [21:02:59] | sphery: | the tools that came about as a part of Openmoko aren't too bad |
| [21:03:11] | skd5aner: | ubuntu might go for it... seeings how they're going into the TV now |
| [21:03:23] | sphery: | once they hit a certain point, others will start working on them, and they'll improve rapidly |
| [21:03:23] | skd5aner: | but you know nothing's going to be vanilla about it |
| [21:03:37] | justinh: | yeah well getting a device to do anything like rent/buy movies or music is never gonna happen on something like that |
| [21:03:47] | skd5aner: | sphery: just like MythTV? :P |
| [21:04:06] | sphery: | hehe |
| [21:04:51] | Ankhwatcher: | sphery: isn't that what the n9 was for? |
| [21:05:15] | sphery: | njustinc: btw, yes, updating is straight forward (updating MythTV database, that is) |
| [21:05:41] | sphery: | njustinc: whether you update Ubuntu or install from scratch, though, is up to you |
| [21:06:03] | sphery: | njustinc: definitely get a good database backup, first, though--regardless of what you do with the OS http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore |
| [21:06:51] | sphery: | Ankhwatcher: hehe, well, now that N is all about the WinPho, I'm sure it won't be the case any longer :) |
| [21:07:47] | Ankhwatcher: | true, but intel are still dicking around with meego. |
| [21:08:08] | sphery: | didn't it combine with about 3 other ones and change names? |
| [21:08:49] | sphery: | Tizen (for Intel and Samsung) and Mer = community |
| [21:08:57] | Ankhwatcher: | no maemo combined with moblin to make meego... or the other way around... |
| [21:09:17] | sphery: | yeah, but since then... Sep 27, 2011, Intel changed to Tizen |
| [21:09:26] | sphery: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tizen |
| [21:09:34] | Ankhwatcher: | ah, ok |
| [21:09:45] | Ankhwatcher: | is it still debian? |
| [21:09:48] | sphery: | yeah, that's the other problem--it's near impossible to keep up with the string of failures |
| [21:10:12] | sphery: | not sure... wikipedia says it "borrows only selected technologies from MeeGo and in this aspect is not a continuation of MeeGo" |
| [21:10:27] | sphery: | not sure if that's just the removal of Qt stuff or if it's no longer Debian-based |
| [21:11:07] | ** skd5aner see a bunch of made up marketing-speak ** | |
| [21:11:10] | sphery: | anyway, as long as it's a distro that's owned by a company (not-for-profit companies created to manage a distro, notwithstanding), I'm not interested |
| [21:11:12] | Ankhwatcher: | http://j.mp/yvsjrL |
| [21:11:28] | sphery: | skd5aner: exactly... which is why I'm not so interested in Tizen |
| [21:12:17] | sphery: | Ankhwatcher: hehe, that's cool... still want it to be primary, though |
| [21:12:18] | njustinc: | sphery: just verified on Ubuntu 10.04 |
| [21:12:57] | sphery: | njustinc: verified it still has the problem, you mean? |
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| [21:13:41] | njustinc: | sphery: I wasnt sure if I was running 9.10 or 10.04 |
| [21:13:45] | sphery: | ah, ok |
| [21:13:56] | njustinc: | sphery: grabbing the logs now |
| [21:14:00] | sphery: | the 10.04 makes sense--as that's the one with the pre-release version you seem to be using |
| [21:14:12] | sphery: | they may still have packages for it at http://mythbuntu.org/repos |
| [21:14:18] | njustinc: | sphery: gotcha |
| [21:14:32] | sphery: | definitely worth updating to most-current 0.23 or 0.24 fixes version you can get |
| [21:14:39] | sphery: | even 0.23-fixes is /much/ better than what you have |
| [21:15:29] | Ankhwatcher: | sphery: http://j.mp/ADLOGH |
| [21:18:01] | sphery: | Ankhwatcher: nice... |
| [21:18:10] | sphery: | the biggest problem, though, is the constantly-changing hardware |
| [21:18:31] | Ankhwatcher: | how so? |
| [21:18:51] | sphery: | I think the main cause of wait will be waiting for hardware to get sufficiently good that it's not constantly changing so that they can spend the time to get drivers, et. al., working properly |
| [21:19:30] | Ankhwatcher: | yeah, at the moment it's a geek with an itch. |
| [21:19:35] | sphery: | right |
| [21:20:02] | sphery: | anyway, I'm happy with my phone that works as a phone (and allows me to send SMS) |
| [21:20:33] | Ankhwatcher: | personally I'd like to dual boot my tab into dev environment. |
| [21:20:39] | sphery: | and I'm ecstatic about my $27.50/mo wireless service plan |
| [21:20:56] | sphery: | ($27.50 all said and done--includes all taxes and fees) |
| [21:21:33] | sphery: | getting a data plan would cost me $47.50, and I don't really care to pay for a 2nd ISP |
| [21:21:42] | Ankhwatcher: | I pay €35 per month for my phone |
| [21:21:53] | justinh: | youch |
| [21:22:18] | Ankhwatcher: | that's 200 calls, 200 texts and 10gigs of data |
| [21:22:29] | kormoc: | 200 calls or 200 minutes? |
| [21:22:37] | justinh: | 10 gigs? LOL. is that even possible over 3G ? |
| [21:22:40] | Ankhwatcher: | minutes |
| [21:22:44] | sphery: | yeah, I finally figured out that (over here in the US) the cell phone companies scam users with post-paid contracts by charging $20-$40/mo so that after 22mos, they can give you a discount on the phones (usually a couple hundred dollars worth of discount) |
| [21:23:03] | Ankhwatcher: | justinh I did it last december |
| [21:23:07] | sphery: | by switching to a prepaid plan--like what most of the European users have--I don't have to pay that $20-$40/mo |
| [21:23:19] | kormoc: | Yeah, prepaid plans are the way to go on the cheap |
| [21:23:27] | justinh: | I have 'unlimited' data for a £10 topup |
| [21:23:27] | kormoc: | just gotta live without the latest and greatest gadgets |
| [21:23:47] | sphery: | kormoc: not on a bring-your-own-device network (T-Mobile prepaid) |
| [21:23:48] | justinh: | I hate having to charge my phone every night, but apart from that... |
| [21:24:06] | justinh: | I tried going back to a dumb phone, but it sucked |
| [21:24:08] | kormoc: | sphery, well, you don't get data that way (on the cheap) so the latest and greatest are lacking |
| [21:24:11] | sphery: | granted, I /do/ live without the latest and greatest gadgets because I'm unwilling to spend more on a cell phone than I spend on 3 desktop computers |
| [21:24:18] | Ankhwatcher: | yeah mine's 'unlimited' too, tbf they didn't charge me when I went over. |
| [21:24:20] | justinh: | sphery: heh |
| [21:24:50] | sphery: | kormoc: I can get unlimited talk/text/data for $47.50/mo |
| [21:24:51] | justinh: | I never used to be such a late adopter. I wonder what happened |
| [21:25:01] | Ankhwatcher: | my phone was nearly twice the price of my car. |
| [21:25:12] | justinh: | lol. such priorities |
| [21:25:19] | kormoc: | sphery, I couldn't get data on my tmobile prepay other then the per day charge of $2/per day |
| [21:25:29] | sphery: | http://prepaid-phones.t-mobile.com/prepaid-plans |
| [21:25:53] | Ankhwatcher: | kormoc yeah I have the same issue whin I'm in the US |
| [21:25:59] | sphery: | the $47.50 plan is the $50 plan with refill cards from callingmart.com (they have a monthly sale where they offer them at 5% off) |
| [21:26:34] | sphery: | it's unlimited data, but only the first 100MB is at 4G speeds, but you can pay an extra $10 or $20/mo to get 2GB or 5GB at 4G speeds |
| [21:27:02] | kormoc: | hrm. I don't think I knew about the Monthly4G plans |
| [21:27:11] | sphery: | or get the 100min plan from Walmart that has unlimited text/data with the first 5GB at 4G speeds for only $30/mo |
| [21:27:12] | kormoc: | the $30/mo one is worthwhile for me |
| [21:27:19] | sphery: | yeah, that's the one I have |
| [21:27:23] | kormoc: | I'll likely unlock my iPhone and do that once I'm out of contract |
| [21:27:55] | sphery: | so, guess I'm actually paying $28.50/mo with callingmart discount (always forget what it is, now--they used to have 10% discount) |
| [21:28:02] | Ankhwatcher: | what network operates the Walmart plan? |
| [21:28:38] | sphery: | yeah, tons of people have iPhones on T-Mobile through that... just make sure yours has a SIM card that works with T-Mobile (which one(s) have the micro-SIMs? Don't think T-Mo has micro...) |
| [21:29:12] | justinh: | the network my wife is still on (I used to be) gives everyone as much as (!) 150MB per month. 250MB if they have an iPhone |
| [21:29:14] | Ankhwatcher: | you can cut up a normal sim card |
| [21:29:29] | sphery: | kormoc: oh, you mean the 30/mo w/5GB data and 100min... yeah, that would be good for iphone... I have the $30/mo for 1500min or messages and 30MB data |
| [21:30:22] | sphery: | justinh: wow, seems iPhone would hit 250MB pretty quickly... are they counting on people paying overage? |
| [21:30:37] | sphery: | Ankhwatcher: nice... didn't know that |
| [21:31:35] | justinh: | sphery: yeah, at some ridiculous amount like £1 per MB over |
| [21:31:49] | njustinc: | sphery grab the .deb repo package ran synaptic and grab 10 or so updates |
| [21:32:00] | njustinc: | sphery: rebooting the system |
| [21:32:10] | sphery: | njustinc: cool, fingers crossed |
| [21:32:20] | njustinc: | sphery: will try and grab a verbose log next |
| [21:33:22] | Ankhwatcher: | when I installed mythexport it said the configuration utility failed, how can I re-run it and troubleshoot? |
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| [21:33:55] | Beirdo: | ya might wanna ask its author |
| [21:36:08] | Ankhwatcher: | also http://ankh.is-a-geek.com/mythexport |
| [21:36:47] | sphery: | wagnerrp: nice response on jsonp... I like the "don't connect the client directly to mythbackend" approach at the end |
| [21:36:50] | Beirdo: | mythexport is not part of mythtv. |
| [21:37:09] | sphery: | after all, otherwise, you're opening up mythbackend to the world at large, if you put the app on the Internet |
| [21:37:25] | Beirdo: | it's a third-party script, so we may know little to nothing about it. |
| [21:37:39] | sphery: | best to ask in the #mythbuntu channel (it's theirs, IIRC) |
| [21:37:56] | sphery: | now, nuvexport, however, is something that someone here :) could help with |
| [21:38:09] | ** Beirdo hides ** | |
| [21:38:19] | Ankhwatcher: | really, what does that do? |
| [21:38:31] | Beirdo: | I need to re-fix it after the streaming transcode changes seemingly borked it all |
| [21:38:53] | sphery: | transcodes to an alternate format (allowing your choice from many containers and codecs) |
| [21:39:01] | sphery: | it doesn't do any "live streaming" stuff, though |
| [21:39:09] | sphery: | (don't know if mythexport does) |
| [21:39:28] | Ankhwatcher: | that's okay, the files are all on samba anyway |
| [21:39:32] | njustinc: | sphery; it doesn't seem as if anything updated |
| [21:39:41] | njustinc: | how |
| [21:39:44] | sphery: | njustinc: might need to restart mythbackend manually |
| [21:40:35] | Ankhwatcher: | 2~ |
| [21:40:37] | njustinc: | sphery; how can verify the updates? |
| [21:40:45] | sphery: | mythbackend --version |
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| [21:40:50] | njustinc: | sphery; I did reboot the system |
| [21:40:56] | Beirdo: | oh blah. meeting |
| [21:41:12] | sphery: | I might be misremembering the bad version--you maybe had some 0.23-fixes updates... |
| [21:41:27] | sphery: | been way too long since 0.23, so I don't remember much of anything about it |
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| [21:42:16] | njustinc: | sphery; correct the the frontend shows branches/release-0-23-fixes(24158) |
| [21:43:04] | sphery: | [24159] |
| [21:43:04] | MythLogBot: | SVN 24159: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/b2121866 |
| [21:43:17] | sphery: | hmmm... so that's not the most-recent SVN version... |
| [21:43:27] | njustinc: | sphery; can I update to 0.24? |
| [21:43:34] | sphery: | maybe it's the most recent SVN version on 0.23... |
| [21:43:41] | sphery: | IMHO, you /should/ update to 0.24-fixes |
| [21:44:17] | sphery: | I updated to 0.24-fixes in the middle of a TV season--something I hadn't done since 0.21--since it was so much better the 0.23 |
| [21:44:40] | sphery: | usually I'd wait for the TV season to end before upgrading (to give me time to work out issues) |
| [21:44:50] | njustinc: | sphery; how can I upadate to 0.24 |
| [21:45:03] | sphery: | in theory that mythbuntu repos page will allow you to |
| [21:45:12] | sphery: | though it's possible they may not offer 0.24-fixes on 10.04 |
| [21:45:32] | sphery: | in which case, you'd need to upgrade (or re-install a newer version of) Ubuntu |
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| [21:49:17] | njustinc: | sphery; ok well I think I will try to grab the log file |
| [21:49:31] | njustinc: | sphery; do I need to stop the backend first |
| [21:50:51] | sphery: | not if you use --setverbose |
| [21:51:04] | Ankhwatcher: | Okay, so how do I install xvid? I'm running ubuntu |
| [21:51:09] | sphery: | it changes the verbose level of the running master backend |
| [21:51:19] | njustinc: | sphery; after I run mythbackend --setverbose file,extra the console just hangs |
| [21:51:44] | sphery: | that sounds like it's actually running mythbackend, then |
| [21:51:53] | sphery: | which means that 0.23 likely doesn't have --setverbose |
| [21:52:15] | sphery: | meaning you have to restart the backend and specify in your mythbackend options -v file,extra |
| [21:55:54] | njustinc: | sphery; correction --setverbose does not hang but when I misscorrectly type --verbose file,extra |
| [21:56:01] | njustinc: | sphery; it hung |
| [21:56:15] | njustinc: | will be posting logs shortly |
| [22:00:02] | njustinc: | sphery; http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6039186/mythbackend.log |
| [22:00:34] | njustinc: | sphery; http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6039186/mythfrontend.log |
| [22:02:55] | sphery: | njustinc: this is likely your Live TV recordings we saw in the status page: 2012-01–17 16:32:40.435 Expiring 3392 MBytes for 1081 @ Thu Feb 17 16:59:46 2011 => News 8 at Five |
| [22:03:42] | sphery: | (just based on the 3392MB number) |
| [22:04:44] | njustinc: | sphery: I'm lost as to why the live TV recordings would effect the auto-expire |
| [22:04:55] | sphery: | they won't... they are just always expired |
| [22:05:04] | njustinc: | sphery: should the data still go passed 2TB? |
| [22:05:08] | sphery: | yes |
| [22:05:52] | sphery: | so, setverbose does seem to work: 2012-01–17 16:52:29.663 Verbose level changed, new level is: important general file extra |
| [22:06:21] | sphery: | meaning it's just hanging instead of shutting down properly (that was something we had fixed, but couldn't remember when--was likely after your version) |
| [22:06:51] | sphery: | so, I don't see anything expiring in that log file after your --setverbose |
| [22:06:57] | njustinc: | sphery: when I typed the correct command is seemed to work |
| [22:07:23] | sphery: | ah, yeah, missed that comment |
| [22:07:34] | sphery: | I'd recommend you truncate the existing log files |
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| [22:07:56] | njustinc: | sphery:? come again |
| [22:07:58] | sphery: | then start the backend, do a --setverbose, then start playback and let it run for a while |
| [22:08:14] | sphery: | then we can see if anything expiration is shown in the new file |
| [22:08:30] | njustinc: | do I need to --setverbose each time |
| [22:08:38] | sphery: | each time you restart mythbackend |
| [22:09:33] | sphery: | you can delete the existing contents with something like: echo "" | sudo tee /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log |
| [22:09:49] | sphery: | basically, that will get rid of all the old garbage in there |
| [22:10:00] | sphery: | (and make it so you can use a plain old pastebin, if you prefer) |
| [22:10:03] | njustinc: | gotcha |
| [22:10:11] | sphery: | either works fine for me, so whatever's easiest for you |
| [22:14:00] | Ankhwatcher: | oh damn |
| [22:14:13] | dekarl: | [18228] |
| [22:14:13] | MythLogBot: | SVN 18228: (branch fixes/0.21) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/078b6a18 |
| [22:16:27] | Ankhwatcher: | I found the problem with mythexport, my mysql has a different name than the one it is looking for |
| [22:18:57] | njustinc: | sphery: I do see the log populated with autoexpire entries |
| [22:19:21] | sphery: | let's see what you have so far |
| [22:19:22] | njustinc: | can I post the pastebin |
| [22:19:25] | sphery: | sure |
| [22:22:16] | njustinc: | http://pastebin.com/tW1fujp4 |
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| [22:25:24] | sphery: | njustinc: it's still only expiring live tv... 2012-01–17 17:12:52.765 AutoExpire: SendDeleteMessages. Nothing to expire. |
| [22:25:41] | sphery: | then after that, Running now! shows AutoExpire: ExpireLiveTV(10001), which is the Expiring 3392 MBytes for 1081 @ Thu Feb 17 16:59:46 2011 => News 8 at Five |
| [22:26:06] | sphery: | those that are added to the list are those that /would/ be expired if you ran out of space |
| [22:26:14] | sphery: | but this log isn't showing anything but Live TV being expired |
| [22:26:39] | sphery: | 2012-01–17 17:12:56.967 AutoExpire: SendDeleteMessages. Nothing to expire. |
| [22:28:32] | sphery: | njustinc: you do have many orphaned recordings, though... should run http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Find_orphans.py (but it only works on 0.24 and above) |
| [22:28:53] | sphery: | and you have a problem with your capture card configuration... you have a defined, but not-connected capture card |
| [22:29:22] | sphery: | you should really delete tuner 1 and/or just do the capture card portion of http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 |
| [22:31:27] | njustinc: | spherery; ok thanks |
| [22:31:55] | sphery: | if you can catch a file actually expiring in a -v file,extra log, I'd love to see it |
| [22:32:07] | sphery: | a non-Live-TV file, that is |
| [22:32:11] | njustinc: | ok well I have to take off |
| [22:32:15] | sphery: | good luck |
| [22:32:20] | njustinc: | I will post a new logg later on |
| [22:32:33] | sphery: | I'll be in channel, but might not see the message immediately |
| [22:32:38] | sphery: | just make sure to include my nick on the line |
| [22:32:44] | sphery: | thx |
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| [22:55:19] | Ankhwatcher: | when I type nuvexport into a terminal, something should happen, right? |
| [22:55:46] | iamlindoro: | only if it's installed in your path, chmod'ed executable, etc. |
| [22:55:57] | iamlindoro: | Which all must be done manually |
| [22:56:12] | Ankhwatcher: | okay, so it doesn't just install with mythtv |
| [22:56:20] | Ankhwatcher: | and set itself up |
| [22:56:24] | Ankhwatcher: | fair enough |
| [22:56:26] | iamlindoro: | No, it's not a part of MythTV |
| [22:56:40] | iamlindoro: | it's an extra project which is hosted in a separate repository |
| [22:56:57] | Ankhwatcher: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Nuvexport#Installing_Nuvexport |
| [22:58:38] | k-man: | I read somewhere in the mailing list someone was advocating keeping the myth db in a ram drive – the author claimed that the db is a significant bottleneck in mythtv – is that the case? |
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| [23:00:22] | dekarl: | k-man: its getting better slowly, but yes, the database has to do some heavy lifting, e.g. when running the scheduler |
| [23:00:57] | dekarl: | but putting the database on a memory drive is a solution that doesn't fit the problem ;) |
| [23:01:29] | Ankhwatcher: | We'll look back on these days and smile |
| [23:01:40] | Ankhwatcher: | solid state scarcity |
| [23:02:53] | Ankhwatcher: | iamlindoro: What repository is nuvexport in? |
| [23:02:53] | dekarl: | Ankhwatcher: raising the hardware limits doesn't make algorithmic optimization obselete |
| [23:03:47] | k-man: | dekarl, yeah, souneded overkill to me too – his solution involved dumping the db to hdd every 4 hours and stuff in case of black out |
| [23:03:50] | dekarl: | But I agree, at current prices you can just throw hardware at the scheduler / database :) |
| [23:03:53] | Ankhwatcher: | dekarl: far from it, but this sort of maximisation will seem funny when spinning disk drives become like tape drives |
| [23:04:38] | k-man: | dekarl, on the shepherd mailing list one guy was suggesting dumping the db and then setting the innodb innodb_buffer_pool_size=256M and then reloading the db |
| [23:05:02] | k-man: | he says that would make a big difference too as most default innodb setups set the pool size to just 5M |
| [23:05:05] | Ankhwatcher: | I recently got an intel z68 board which uses a ssd as cache, that will seem really goofy. |
| [23:06:58] | Ankhwatcher: | iamlindoro: is this it? http://packages.ubuntu.com/source/hardy/nuvexport |
| [23:08:04] | dekarl: | if you consider the memory disk you could simply mount your ext4 volume with barrier=0 (well, switching to a real fs would do, too) |
| [23:09:14] | k-man: | dekarl, my sql db is on ext3 |
| [23:09:51] | k-man: | what is barrier=0? |
| [23:10:10] | dekarl: | k-man... I guess with dump and reload he's reffering to service mysql stop/start not backup/restore (at least thats what google suggests) |
| [23:10:54] | dekarl: | k-man IIRC with newer ext4 versions the file system will actually obey fsync calls, so the write will be slower but safer |
| [23:11:40] | dekarl: | see http://kernelnewbies.org/Ext4#head-25c0a1275a . . . c38e79f39f63 |
| [23:12:54] | dekarl: | btw, has anybody tried following http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Optimizing_Perform . . . abase_Tweaks including the mysqltuner.pl? |
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