Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Friday, January 6th, 2012, 00:14 UTC

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: pong

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skd5aner:

wagnerrp: http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-fireho . . . 2570.html...

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wagnerrp:

?

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skd5aner:

is python-imaging and dvdauthor new dependencies within .25? I know that the JSON perl module is...

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wagnerrp:

f-- if i know

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skd5aner:

ha – ok, just saw you added them

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wagnerrp:

some user claimed he needed them to get it to run

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wagnerrp:

so i added them

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skd5aner:

I don't think they are

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skd5aner:

thx

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wagnerrp:

you might want to ping paul-h to confirm

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wagnerrp:

ive never used it, so i really have no idea what it needs

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skd5aner:

dvdauthor has been an option for several releases

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skd5aner:

phython-imaging – I think that's been needed forever too

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skd5aner:

ok – no worries

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skd5aner:

I just try an track third-party library requirement changes at the top of the release notes (new, min. version changes, and removal of dependencies)

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wagnerrp:

well the user who reported it should be in the #mythtv backlog

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wagnerrp:

maybe a week ago

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wagnerrp:

or not, its rolled off the back by now

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blscearce:

Two other questions: (1) I'd like to configure the box so that pressing "play" on the remote while fast-forwarding will play, rather than pause, the video. I can't find where to configure that. (2) I'd also like to configure so that playback autofill is "off" by default, but can't find where that's configured either. Any suggestions?

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Beirdo:

dekarl: I have punted #10236 back open with your backtrace in it, and renamed the subject

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Beirdo:

I think you may have found an important shutdown issue with (by the looks of it) the new broken recordings checking

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Beirdo:

time to bugger off and go home

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: you in?

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iamlindoro:

I am in (depending on topic)

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wagnerrp:

ive got the imdbv3 api up and running-ish

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wagnerrp:

writing the xml outputter should be simple enough after that

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iamlindoro:

tmdb?

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wagnerrp:

tmdb

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iamlindoro:

cool

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wagnerrp:

im looking through the data it returns, and specifically the cast data

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wagnerrp:

theres a 'order' attribute, which makes no sense to me

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wagnerrp:

http://pastebin.com/JUeqk39Z

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iamlindoro:

billing order?

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wagnerrp:

its not linear, it doesnt match up to any ordering on the site

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wagnerrp:

the ids are a separate number

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wagnerrp:

if thats billing, who would be filling in the gaps?

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iamlindoro:

hmm... well, nothing I care to use, personally

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iamlindoro:

not without some idea what it means :)

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wagnerrp:

i still need to add in caching and rate limiting

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wagnerrp:

plus the api itself needs to be finished and officially released

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iamlindoro:

Did Doug not show any interest in updating his scripts? (Not that I don't appreciate your doing it)

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iamlindoro:

heh, yeah, guess it would be good if they called it done

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wagnerrp:

his scripts cant really be updated

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wagnerrp:

since a big chunk of the script was built into the XSLT

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iamlindoro:

Yeah

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wagnerrp:

and the apiv3 is JSON only

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iamlindoro:

well nice work-- hopefully they release the API soon

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** iamlindoro wonders when we make the big Qt5 transition **

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wagnerrp:

i need to post a report about the paging

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wagnerrp:

the old API would limit you to 20 results, period

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wagnerrp:

the new one is supposed to return 20 results at a time

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wagnerrp:

but subsequent pages only return 10

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wagnerrp:

and you only get some of the pages, most turn up empty

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, that seems like the kind of thing that would have been pretty obvious early on

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wagnerrp:

it could just be choking on a screwy search for 'The'

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wagnerrp:

although i dont know of anything more select that would still produce > 20 results

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wagnerrp:

on the other hand, 'Night' does twice as many

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iamlindoro:

sounds like the search results themselves are in question

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wagnerrp:

eew... and unicode stuff

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wagnerrp:

havent done anything to handle that

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[R]:

so i did cat /dev/video and put the file into mythvdieo and it plays fine, but if i try to watch livetv, its 4:3

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[R]:

wtf...

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wagnerrp:

now this is fun, the searches suddenly started returning blank titles

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iamlindoro:

That is a known issue in current master, one for which mark has a fix but hasn't committed it yet

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[R]:

me or wagnerrp ?

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iamlindoro:

you

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[R]:

ok, i thought i was going crazy

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** iamlindoro despises New York City camera companies **

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[R]:

http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10138

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[R]:

do you know if that is ever going to get merged?

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iamlindoro:

When I order something on Sunday night, do NOT call me Wednesday to try to upsell me a warranty, because I will be PO'd that you HAVEN'T SHIPPED IT YET

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[R]:

haha

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iamlindoro:

you'd need to ask Captain_Murdoch, it's his ticket

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[R]:

Captain_Murdoch: ping

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iamlindoro:

I don't imagine he would have assigned it to himself if he didn't plan to apply it, or write something similar

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wagnerrp:

yikes

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wagnerrp:

thats some hardcore unicode right there

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wagnerrp:

just a bunch of blocks

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k-man:

is the wiki correct in that python 2.7 is not supported for the python bindings in .24-fixes?

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wagnerrp:

ah, cyrillic

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wagnerrp:

k-man: you need mysql-python 1.2.3

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wagnerrp:

1.2.2 did not support python 2.7

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k-man:

wagnerrp, ok, I have that

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: apiv3 now supports 'collections' of films, if you have any desire to do anything with that

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k-man:

wagnerrp, any idea why I might be getting these errors in mythweb? http://pastie.org/3134264

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wagnerrp:

not off hand

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k-man:

wagnerrp, ok thanks for looking anyway

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wagnerrp:

are things other than mythweb working?

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k-man:

wagnerrp, yes

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: I will think about it a bit... if the collections have a reference number you can return it for now and I'll do something with it eventually

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wagnerrp:

so its not a symptom of the socketserver locking issue

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k-man:

although I'm getting an error in mythfilldatabase I don't understand too

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: yeah, see http://www.themoviedb.org/collection/10 and http://www.themoviedb.org/movie/10

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: "collectionref" probably works for consistency

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wagnerrp:

they give a list of films (with references to them), artwork, and assorted other info

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wagnerrp:

it would appear the movies and collections are non-overlapping

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wagnerrp:

but i wouldnt expect that to be the case on other sites

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wagnerrp:

honestly, im surprised thats the case here

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wagnerrp:

and im a bit angry as a result of it

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k-man:

actually, the error is also related to the protocol – strange, maybe the backend didn't restart when I did an upgrade recently

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wagnerrp:

since you pull some information with api/3/collection/10, and other information with api/3/movie/10

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k-man:

that must have been it, I restarted the backend and its working now

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wagnerrp:

they way i have the backend stuff set up, thats trivial to handle

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wagnerrp:

but my complaint is that when you call api/3/movie/<n>, you have no way to tell if you are going to get a movie or a collection

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russell5:

so i was thinking of getting a small ssd for my os drive for my mythtv. Does anyone think it would also help to put the livetv on that drive instead of my raid 5?

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wagnerrp:

nope

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russell5:

thanks

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wagnerrp:

i mean you can, but chances are your array is not being saturated

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wagnerrp:

unless youre doing several simultaneous recordings, along with independent playback

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wagnerrp:

in which case the better solution would be to unraid that array

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russell5:

well i sometimes record 2–3 items and watch one of them

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wagnerrp:

its somewhat counter-intuitive, but a single drive can have better write performance than a RAID5 array

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Seeker`:

wagnerrp: a search that might return more than 20 results is 'star'

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wagnerrp:

and two independent drives will have far better performance than a RAID5 array

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wagnerrp:

Seeker`: actually, 'night' does just nicely

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Seeker`:

6 star wars, 11 star trek, dark star

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Seeker`:

and thats just off the top of my head

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Seeker`:

heh, fair enough

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wagnerrp:

well... except for the fact that unicode is choking on some russian alphabet

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russell5:

for the livetv and recordings folders is it better for write performance or read?

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wagnerrp:

RAID5 will do close to the same sequential read performance as the same number of independent drives

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wagnerrp:

but the independent drives will have much higher random read performance

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wagnerrp:

as well as much higher write performance in all scenarios

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russell5:

mmmm

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russell5:

i could move those folders off the raid 5

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wagnerrp:

RAID5 and 6 should be used as a primarily read-only archive

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russell5:

yeah i use it for all my archives of tv and so on

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wagnerrp:

hardware raid with a batter backed cache can alleviate this issue to some degree

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wagnerrp:

plus it means near instantaneous barrier returns

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wagnerrp:

battery*

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wagnerrp:

the issue is a result of the controller having to read the existing data, overlay the new data, and then calculate the parity of the combination

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Seeker`:

I guess the obvious use for collection is a toggle, where movies that are part of a collection are automatically 'collapsed' in to a folder

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wagnerrp:

battery backed hardware controllers can buffer writes for a couple seconds in the hope the entire stripe set gets written to, eliminating the need to read the existing data

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wagnerrp:

software raid doesnt have that luxury

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Seeker`:

so instead of Star Wars: Episode IV, Star Wars: Episode V, you'd have 'Star Wars' appearing like a folder

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wagnerrp:

im thinking more of things like james bond movies automatically clumping together

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Seeker`:

yeah, that was the other one I was going to mention

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wagnerrp:

rather than being scattered alphabetically throughout the whole folder

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russell5:

thanks wagnerrp

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Seeker`:

not sure whether it would be preferable to have them just pulled together in the list, or make it a 'virtual folder'

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Seeker`:

I wonder if you could do something interesting with the scheduler and collections. If you already have part of a collection recorded / in Videos, it'll automatically try to record the rest of the collection if they appear in the listings

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Seeker`:

(because, y'know, the scheduler isn't complicated enough)

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wagnerrp:

thats not complicated at all

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wagnerrp:

thats just a power rule

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Seeker`:

I guess it depends on how you generate / store the list of collections you only have part of, and which films make up the rest of the collection

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Seeker`:

Or would it just add a load of 'find one showing' rules to the recording rules?

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wagnerrp:

could do either

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Seeker`:

eugh, 3am and I have work tomorrow. Have a good $time_period

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likwid--_:

ive got 3 hd streams recording (from prime), watching a previous recording, os and mysql on the same sata drive. all is working fine so far! (havent had time to add my other drives yet) very impressive

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wagnerrp:

im not sure off hand which would be less expensive

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wagnerrp:

individual 'one showing' rules, or a single "record any in this list" rule

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likwid--_:

.. and a commercial flagging going on. all on 1 sata drive. nice.

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darkdrgn3k:

how do you set "exclude generics" in trunk?

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darkdrgn3k:

i dont see it in "filters"

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: i dont recall off hand, do the metadata libraries pull the chosen inetref? or just stick with the data contained in the search?

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iamlindoro:

The former, the search doesn't (to date) return a full complement of metadata

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iamlindoro:

It returns a small subset that helps one choose from the selections, but it's not enough

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wagnerrp:

yeah, v3 does even less, just the id, title, release date, popularity, and a poster image

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iamlindoro:

yikes

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iamlindoro:

that sucks

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iamlindoro:

A description would be nice

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wagnerrp:

are title and release date the only elements shown? or is that up to the theme?

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iamlindoro:

up to the theme

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iamlindoro:

we return everything, the themer can do whatever they want with it

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wagnerrp:

might there be some worth in paging the searches in order to return sooner?

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iamlindoro:

not for our purposes

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wagnerrp:

im not sure what limits will be placed on v3, but v2.1 allowed 1 search per second, and 3 direct queries per second

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iamlindoro:

Adding paging would actually require some pretty extensive changes to all the metadata classes

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wagnerrp:

in the new api, thats going to mean one of each for a search, and 9 queries for an inetref pull

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i can imagine the mess of callbacks and events that would be needed to request more information on an open dialog

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iamlindoro:

not to mention the many places where there's no such thing

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iamlindoro:

like Services API, backend metadata grab, etc.

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wagnerrp:

the batch updater is sequential right? it doesnt fire off a bunch at a time?

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iamlindoro:

yes, all batch updates are done FIFO

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wagnerrp:

i think the current jobqueue will only trigger one task per minute per host

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iamlindoro:

?

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wagnerrp:

mythmetadatalookup

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iamlindoro:

You lost me

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iamlindoro:

what about it?

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wagnerrp:

the jobqueue will only run one task per minute, even if the previous task terminated after a couple seconds

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iamlindoro:

the job queue never performs a batch lookup

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wagnerrp:

no, but if a whole chunk of recordings starts up at the top of the hour...

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iamlindoro:

the job queue only performs a lookup for a single item either right after the recording starts, or when it finishes

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iamlindoro:

so what if it does? If it takes a couple of minutes that's not a big deal

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wagnerrp:

no, im just thinking about call limits on the API

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wagnerrp:

30 queries in 10 seconds, 10 searches in 10 seconds

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iamlindoro:

That doesn't seem like it would ever be an issue

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wagnerrp:

nothing internal is going to be triggering fast enough to worry about exceeding that

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darkdrgn3k:

soo anyone "exclude generics" in trunk?

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wagnerrp:

should be in the same place as always

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darkdrgn3k:

its not

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darkdrgn3k:

onyl has "new episodes only"

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darkdrgn3k:

the skip generic is not in the drop down

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: what would you consider ideal size for a thumbnail?

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wagnerrp:

ill just use the smallest they have available

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darkdrgn3k:

no ideas?

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: http://pastebin.com/y8mPCGr1

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wagnerrp:

not finished, but functional

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wagnerrp:

if i start using the supplied language, those images will get filtered down quite a bit

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darkdrgn3k:

ok any idea why my HD recordings go all choppy today

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darkdrgn3k:

http://pastebin.ca/2099961

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darkdrgn3k:

cant see any maxed out cpus, not on the FE not on the master BE and not on the BE hosting the file

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wagnerrp:

h264+aac... h264 with analog audio?

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wagnerrp:

*hdpvr

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darkdrgn3k:

yep

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darkdrgn3k:

any idea?

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wagnerrp:

not off hand

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darkdrgn3k:

:( i hope its not the recordings themselves

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AndyCap:

Heh. mjg discovers TVs suck. http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/8705.html

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wagnerrp:

who is mjg?

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AndyCap:

matthew garrett, linux developer

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AndyCap:

been blogging about bios stuff, power management, linux tablets.

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wagnerrp:

so basically the same thing weve been spouting for years

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wagnerrp:

that certain engineers need to be quartered for perpetuating the nonsense that is overscan in the digital era

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AndyCap:

:)

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quicksilver:

hmm, quite a lot of intersting details in the comments on that post AndyCap pasted

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quicksilver:

probably well known to you guys but some of it new to me

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justinh:

hmm might be time to try a hack on programinfo.cpp

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justinh:

I like nice easy hacks :-)

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justinh:

holy poop. I didn't even suspect the overscan situation was as bad as mjg states

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sid3windr:

resolution is overrated

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sid3windr:

hdtv is just 320x200 upscaled!

[09:16:22]

justinh:

just goes to show it pays to RTFM of any teevee you're planning to buy

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justinh:

and if it doesn't mention 1:1 pixel matching or whatever that manufacturer calls it, don't buy it

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justinh:

oh, and although I finally found a serial comms program on linux I like (gtkterm) it's somewhat disappointing to discover it leaks memory like crap & hauls my machine to a crawl :-\

[09:18:02]

sid3windr:

how about screen

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justinh:

screen does serial comms? :-O

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sid3windr:

check

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sid3windr:

screen /dev/ttyWhatnot [bpsrate]

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sid3windr:

one of its most undervalued features :)

[09:18:59]

justinh:

basically all I want is a linux equivalent of procomm/hyperterm.. obviously without being sucky like hyperterminal (locking ports, crashing with port still locked etc)

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sid3windr:

minicom? :)

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sid3windr:

screen > *

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justinh:

too many of them are way too old school & have separate windows for RX & TX

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justinh:

that'd be fine, but for the fact our systems need a 'break'

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justinh:

sequence to get into the CLI

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justinh:

yay! screen was exactly what I've been looking for. Cheers!

[09:22:31]

justinh:

Not that I'm in any way new to screen – been using it at home for years now

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justinh:

I just didn't know it could 'do' serial

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justinh:

whoah! time search is now usable!

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justinh:

well, apart from it not having any descriptions or times. LOL. must've messed up the hack

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justinh:

dekarl: your patch on ticket 10023 is doing weird stuff on 0.24

[09:35:07]

justinh:

it *is* way faster but the descriptions & times are gone

[09:37:37]

justinh:

oh wait... not gone as such.. massively truncated. hmmm

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justinh:

wonder if there's a limitation with some versions of mysql

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justinh:

I'll try again without the patch. my theme might just be borked

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quicksilver:

justinh: there was this guy around here who used to make great themes, his name was jusk ... something .. oh.

[09:43:44]

justinh:

yeah I was *trying* to theme the time search screen but was getting a bit pissed off it was taking minutes to populate the data

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quicksilver:

oh, I see :)

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quicksilver:

anyway you should steer clear of that guy

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justinh:

so anything to improve the time it takes for data to appear, I'm all for it

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quicksilver:

I just remembered he used to keep having breakdowns in channel and deleting everything :P

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justinh:

yeah that juski bloke churned out themes like no tomorrow, claiming they were 'finished'

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justinh:

prodigious to the point of melting down often

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justinh:

I guess he ultimately learned there was no point in trying to do things to please people & decided to do things only for himself, taking time to get them really right

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quicksilver:

damn straight

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justinh:

funny though – the only person I see churning out themes now.. I can't even bear to even look at em

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justinh:

the current one I'm working on is quite tame though, and if it draws any criticism if it *ever* sees a release they can die in a fire

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quicksilver:

:)

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quicksilver:

I'm not very fussed about themes I must admit

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quicksilver:

as long as the watch recordings page is readable that suits me

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justinh:

I'd still like there to be widgets on the main menu screens. that'd be kind of useful

[09:59:20]

justinh:

right. rebuilt without the query improvement .. and it's back to taking minutes to do the query

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justinh:

so it's not the theme being broken then. hrm

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sid3windr:

justinh: welcome re the screen suggestion, not all that many people know, but once they find out they usually never go back to all those other weird terminal emulators – myself included a few years ago, heh

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robertzaccour:

I tried using my HD PVR in Linux and the recorded video looks really washed out. Here's how I recorded it cat /dev/video1 > test.ts

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robertzaccour:

am I doing something wrong?

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robertzaccour:

I'm about at my wits end and switching to windows where it works fine

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robertzaccour:

no offense to anyone

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justinh:

nobody will care either way here :-)

[10:24:03]

robertzaccour:

well I pretty much figured that but never can tell

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robertzaccour:

anyone here familiar with HD PVR?

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justinh:

we're not all like "oooo noooo, a user is considering not using linux! to the tuxmobile!"

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justinh:

robertzaccour: there are likely things you can try to adjust the video parameters using the v4l2ctl command

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robertzaccour:

I'm just tryin to figure out why my HD PVR looks all washed out in Linux

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robertzaccour:

justinh: How do I do that?

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robertzaccour:

justinh: cat /dev/video1 > test.ts and what else?

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justinh:

mplayer /dev/video1 instead maybe – then you can more orless see what it's doing in real time

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robertzaccour:

It might be a distro specific problem. I remember it working fine in Ubuntu in the past maybe I'll try it and get lucky

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justinh:

though I'd have expected the default settings to be fairly sensible

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robertzaccour:

justinh: see whats going on how?

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justinh:

use mplayer /dev/video1 in one window...

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robertzaccour:

maybe its a pc hardware issue

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justinh:

then in the other window, adjust settings using v4l2ctl

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justinh:

no it won't be

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justinh:

it'll be something to do with the driver settings

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justinh:

there are registers to adjust brightness etc

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justinh:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HD-PVR

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** justinh wonders if the hdpvr passthrough is buffered or not **

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dekarl-too:

justinh: I have verified the sql on the command line, the patch is untested as I didn't know about the convenience of the mythbuntu build scripts back then ;)

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justinh:

trying the new query on the commandline

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justinh:

the results look sane to me

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justinh:

ah wait a minute

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justinh:

isn't the program going to expect results in a certain order?

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justinh:

maybe there's some snafu in the way things are being returned from the function

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justinh:

oh bugger

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justinh:

dekarl-too: heheheh. easy mistake to make. looks like you forgot that the results would be tabulated differently so they end up in the wrong fields when they're returned :-P

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justinh:

should be easy to fix that

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dekarl-too:

the code is looking at column "no. 1" instead of "the-column-name"? nice optimization ;)

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justinh:

yeah

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Seeker`:

How does mythtv identify what are films and what is a TV show when using the film/TV filter? Is it just checking whether season/episode is set for each file?

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dekarl-too:

hehe, feel free to put them in the right order in the outer select ;)

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justinh:

just as easy to reorder them in the returning function, no?

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justinh:

e.g. instead of $description = result(6) or whatever...

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justinh:

query.value(5).toString(), // description

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justinh:

will have to be query.value(1).toString(),

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dekarl-too:

either way, its a laborious task (Fleißarbeit)

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justinh:

pfft. I've done worse

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justinh:

so is using the column numbers an optimisation then?

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justinh:

gah I HATE git

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dekarl-too:

yes, can be considered an optimization, but you can get almost the same benefits with stored queries that use the names. (just guessing from theory)

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justinh:

let's see what this code does now

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justinh:

if you'd had that committed I doubt anybody would even have noticed a problem for a long time :P

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** justinh suddenly realises he's... *developing* again. OMG! **

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justinh:

oh yeah baby. this is excellent

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Seeker`:

justinh: is that a bad thing?

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justinh:

I'll tidy up the spacing n stuff, then do a new diff & attach it to the ticket

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justinh:

now the time search takes a few seconds as opposed to minutes. woohooo!

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dekarl-too:

:)

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justinh:

this project needs more people like us :P

[12:02:33]

justinh:

well, more like you, less like me

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justinh:

wonder which other queries could use a bit of TLC

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Seeker`:

so if a series with a recording rule has an inetref set, would it be possible when scheduling (once the main scheduling has been run) to grab the metadata of episodes due to be recorded and then check the returned season/episode against videos in the DB

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justinh:

so what next I wonder? hmmm

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zoran119:

what should the config be in .lircrc to show program info?

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zoran119:

config = I

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justinh:

yup

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zoran119:

or config = CTRL+I

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justinh:

in 'watch recordings' at any rate, INFO will show programme details

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zoran119:

i know that, just not sure how to map a button from my remote to INFO function

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justinh:

the I key

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justinh:

also works in the guide

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zoran119:

cool, working now

[12:44:49]

zoran119:

needed to restart mythtv

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zoran119:

thanks

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justinh:

heh yeah the file is only read once :-)

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dekarl-too:

justinh, actually more people like sph ery as he figured out what the problem was

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** justinh clones sphery **

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justinh:

so how come the description field is always 48k long no matter what?

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dekarl-too:

because the temporary in memory tables use a constant row size. and with max 16k chars of max 3byte per char it quickly adds up

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justinh:

I guess they do that for 'speed'

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dekarl-too:

I thought they do that to promote the real oracle rdbms ;)

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justinh:

oh wait – *we* set the max column width at 16k ? :-O

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justinh:

yeah. varchar (16000)

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dekarl-too:

Aye, it would be harsh to limit the freedom of expression to less then that, wouldn't it?

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justinh:

lol

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dekarl-too:

but I think the longest I have in my feed is somewhere around 8500–9500 characters of copy paste

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justinh:

longest here is 1303

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justinh:

and those are *long* descriptions IMHO

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kth:

hi – is there a easy way to export the epg details of a recording through a xml file for example as metainformation?

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kth:

for example :

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kth:

recording.mpg

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kth:

recording.mpg.xml (metainf)

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kth:

?

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justinh:

kth: nope

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kth:

justinh: because this meta information is stored in the db ? – my problem is that i usually export my recording via rsync through another pc ... but i wan't to keep the metainformation ^ ;)

[13:15:04]

justinh:

there are probably scripts around to do what you want to do

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justinh:

it wouldn't be difficult

[13:16:14]

justinh:

IIRC mytharchive is able to export recordings with xml tagged information but I've never used it

[13:17:02]

justinh:

holy crap, the time search would've been producing in excess of 1GB temp table data

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dekarl-too:

answering for the master version, a serializer to export the info to an MXML file exists but is not called. So a patch would have to hook that function up so its called

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dekarl-too:

close to 6GB over here... enjoy your mysql on tmpfs :)

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justinh:

blol

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justinh:

be quite easy to write something in perl using the mythtv bindings to do recordings export though

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kth:

justinh: thanks i'll take a look at this ^ – i'm using myth_upcoming_recordings.pl a lot but – i'll take a look into it to see how this could be done with the perl bindings maybe this is also possible with the python bindings?

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justinh:

I guess it'd be possible with python too, but I wouldn't touch python with *yours* mate ;-)

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stuartm:

shocked to learn that most/all of the low cost gigabit switches don't support multicast (thus service discovery and upnp), I'd have thought that was a basic feature?

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justinh:

eek

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sid3windr:

wut :o

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stuartm:

I was thinking I'd stick a cheap 5-port switch in the loft so that I could more easily run cable to every room (without a half dozen cables running back to router)

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sid3windr:

I'd have thought frame forwarding was frame forwarding

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justinh:

erm.. hang on.. I have a mega cheap 8-port sweet gig-e switch at home & upnp seems to work ok

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kth:

justinh: i've also a very cheap 8 port one where upnp and so on is definitly working ;)

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stuartm:

justinh: which make/model? All the ones I've looked at so far don't and some even have MythTV users posting negative reviews :)

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kth:

stuartm: dgs-1008 from dlink is working at my side ^

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justinh:

can't remember the model but pretty sure it's some dog-arse cheap one

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stuartm:

even the Netgear GS105 their basic model, but still 2x the price of some others lacks multicast

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stuartm:

Zylink/Tenda models on ebuyer both lack multicast – I'll look at dlink

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dekarl-too:

"not support multicast" as in "flood it as they don't do IGMP snooping"? It should work but isn't going to be overly fun for high bandwidth multicast streaming

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justinh:

this is it http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Networking/Swi . . . ductId=28299

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justinh:

upnp definitely seems to work. I know cos it was the 1st thing I tried on my droidy tablet

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justinh:

'work' meaning the tablet sees stuff & can even play recordings most of the time

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kth:

dekarl-too: what are high bandwidths in this context? ;) – hd content isn't a problem actually at my side ^

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stuartm:

dekarl-too: good point, looking at further reviews etc it might be that rather that no support for multicast at all

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justinh:

& this is via my wireless router on one port of the TP link – every network socket in the house goes back to the TP link apart from the cable modem

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stuartm:

I've probably been taking 'multicast doesn't work' or 'you need the more expensive model for multicast' too literally

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stuartm:

I had an old cheap 100Mbit switch which had no problems with multicast, so it would make no sense that these devices wouldn't ...

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dekarl-too:

kth, high bandwidth would be 5mbit/s if you have a 10 mbit/s half-duplex print server on the same switch... You'd simple flood that segment with untrunked multicast that the printer likely doesn't care about ;)

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stuartm:

oh well, I'm in no hurry to buy, I've still got to lay in the first lot of cable (I've given up on wireless as too unreliable for MythTV)

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Seeker`:

stuartm: you were doing bluray over wireless?

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justinh:

copying files across machines is now a joy

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justinh:

basically goes as fast as the HDDs can dish it out

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justinh:

even windows to linux xfers are like 70–80MB/sec

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kth:

dekarl-too: well okay i don't have components on my networks with lesser than 100mbits;)

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stuartm:

Seeker`: aye, it would work great most of the time, but it's those times when it drops packets that are sufficiently annoying even if it only happens once or twice in a film

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Seeker`:

stuartm: what speed wireless?

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stuartm:

n

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Seeker`:

I was getting stuttering with 100mbit on blurays

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justinh:

stuartm: recommend you invest in a patch bay if you've not got one already. we had loads lying around at work

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dekarl-too:

kth, maybe you got a bridge to wireless somewhere? multicast goes with lower speed over there as its supposed to reach all stations.. Basically if you want to stream multicast, get proper igmp snooping gear, its cheap enough

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kth:

justinh: what? over smb? or over what kind of protocol? ;)

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Seeker`:

bumped it up to gigabit and its great

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justinh:

kth: SMB

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stuartm:

single, so usually ~144 – sometimes it would bond giving 300 but the signal is rarely good enough for that

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justinh:

ok maybe not 80MB/sec but way faster than 100Mbit

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kth:

justinh: okay i've got only 40 mbyte/s over ssh hehe

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justinh:

that's the overhead of ssh for ya

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kth:

justinh: for sure ^ and the lack of fast hdds ;)

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stuartm:

Seeker`: 802.11n has a max speed of 150Mbit in single channel, 300Mbit dual channel, but the latter depends heavily on uncluttered spectrum and I've got a dozen or more neighbours polluting the 2.4Ghz range with their own wifi

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Seeker`:

'uncluttered spectrum' being noone within a couple of channels either side?

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stuartm:

the wireless driver on my main frontend is also hopeless and prone to randomly restarting causing the connection to drop entirely, wired is just so much simpler

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justinh:

heh. wireless on my laptop under linux is just abysmal

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justinh:

same place running windows the signal strength is better & the speed blows the linux performance away

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stuartm:

Seeker`: more or less :) I suppose there will be people with better experiences but for me it's been a let-down

[13:41:55]

Seeker`:

hmm, its amazing how a higher resolution background pic on a theme makes the screen look bigger

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justinh:

in the same room as the router under linux I can't even play SD videos :-/

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stuartm:

it's not helped by the fact that although this place is small the walls are all solid brick and that really affects the signal strength

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Seeker`:

stuartm: rented or do you own the place?

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justinh:

tell me about it. none of our droidy devices get more than 1 bar upstairs other than right above the router

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quicksilver:

my PS3 can stream iplayer HD over wifi flawlessly

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quicksilver:

but that's surprisingly low bitrate

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stuartm:

justinh: that's really bad – I could manage HD on 802.11g from the other side of the house but not too reliably, I was hoping 802.11n would be better and it is, but it's just not perfect

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justinh:

quicksilver: when was your house built though?

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quicksilver:

justinh: 1600 or so

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justinh:

christ

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quicksilver:

it's made out of wood and mud and horses hair :)

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justinh:

before brick was invented then :P

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quicksilver:

not quite ;) there are some bricks, but they're not structural.

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justinh:

even the party walls here are double thickness

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quicksilver:

the PS3 has a wired connection now though so that I can download absurdly large game updates without taking all day

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quicksilver:

bought a new game? well down, here, download 5Gig before you can play it.

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stuartm:

quicksilver: heh, my cousin owns a place which is that old, it's permanently cold even in Summer :)

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justinh:

mind, my phone is a lot better since I bought a replacement antenna body piece

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Seeker`:

I know someone that rented a really old house in Bath. Wireless couldn't make it through any of the walls

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stuartm:

they've got beams dating back to something like the 1400s

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justinh:

it's not just the bricks though I bet.. the plaster/lath on top will be doing its bit too

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justinh:

bet modern houses are different depending on which insulation is used

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stuartm:

justinh: aye, I wonder how some of that foil covered solid insulation affects signals

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justinh:

be ok if they don't use it on interior partition walls

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justinh:

I mean room dividing walls

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justinh:

otherwise you'd be relying on RFgoing through the doorway lol

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stuartm:

right, of course they'd not use it internally ... not thinking it through :)

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justinh:

wouldn't be surprised

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Peitolm:

dang nabbit

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dekarl-too:

When I'm telling you that you don't want multicast to bleed to your wireless I'm thinking of the 1/6mbit/s multicast limit (maybe more for post 54mbit/s wifi, but still a lot less the the unicast speed) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_multicast#Wir . . . nsiderations

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devinheitmueller:

justinh: fyi: to answer your question, the hd-pvr is not buffered. It is electrically isolated so that it isn't actually in the signal path (which makes it well suited for console gamers concerned about devices introducing latency).

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devinheitmueller:

pardon, referring specifically to the hdpvr passthrough.

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justinh:

devinheitmueller: so it must be electronically buffering then, otherwise it'd end up double-terminating a video signal ;-)

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devinheitmueller:

heh.

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stuartm:

justinh: that just went right over my head

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justinh:

basically meaning that if you plug an ordinary video output into two ordinary video inputs at the same time the video signal will be affected

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justinh:

domestic gear always 'terminates' video signals – so if you plug something into two device inputs at the same time it'd be what's termed 'double terminated' – effectively halving the signal

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devinheitmueller:

If only there were some electrical component that would allow the electrons to only flow in one direction. :-)

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dekarl-too:

->|-

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justinh:

heh. I just became aware of the existence of optical dvb-s stuff

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stuartm:

!?

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stuartm:

kth: while I remember, did you grab the updated 0.24 packages with the extra debugging info?

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justinh:

stuartm: yeah, e.g. a quad LNB with fibre optical output

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justinh:

still needs coax though to supply power

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devinheitmueller:

For a minute I thought you were suggesting the satellite has a laser on it. :-)

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justinh:

lol

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stuartm:

justinh: huh, that's new to me too, but I guess it's useful for extremely long runs, maybe hotels etc

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justinh:

how thick do you think I am? lol

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stuartm:

although they'd want a Quatro

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justinh:

stuartm: *really* long runs. output is like 85dBA – losses are like 0.3dB per km

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justinh:

as opposed to 30dB per 100m for coax

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kth:

stuartm: is on my todo list today ;) was busy yesterday ;)

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justinh:

I'm just amazed something with such a high bandwidth laser modulator inside is so cheap.

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justinh:

putting like 5Ghz down a fibre, costing less than £150

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lautriv:

heyda :-)

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lautriv:

anyone installed mythroid and/or myth-mdd ?

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** skd5aner is completely up-to-date on 0.25 and 0.24-fixes release notes **

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CiaranG:

lautriv: Yep, I have, but I can't remember many details

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skd5aner:

you may now start the 0.25 freeze and prepare for release

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skd5aner:

:D

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lautriv:

CiaranG, basically i need no details, have it set up and running. just browsing in videos shows directories only ( so i have a black screen where the video-list should appear)

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CiaranG:

Hmm, mine isn't working at all for Videos at the moment, but I'm sure it used to. Hold on...

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skd5aner:

so... I'll bite – is using tmpfs for /tmp actually a good idea or not?

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sid3windr:

doesn't everyone?

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kormoc:

skd5aner, no, it's not

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skd5aner:

I'm not talking about the "mysql on tmpfs" crap, just tmp

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skd5aner:

(just to clarify)

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kormoc:

mysql (for one, others do this too) use /tmp for temporary tables that grow too large to stay in memory

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kormoc:

so the program decides, I can't hold this in memory, let me write it to disk and you go and shove it back into memory. it's not good

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skd5aner:

is the sweet spot, given enough memory, that it would make sense?

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skd5aner:

s/the/there

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skd5aner:

grrr "there a"

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kormoc:

For a very specific purposed machine, sure, but you have to know everything that's going on to know if there is

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kormoc:

but really, generally /tmp gets so little io that it's just not worth it

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skd5aner:

kormoc: thanks – was peaking in on this thread if you weren't aware of it – http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/500144

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kormoc:

you can tune mysql to allow larger in memory temp tables, it's one of the first things you should do actually if you have ram

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kormoc:

I reduced my on disk temp table creation amounts from hundreds a day to a small handful, which helped a lot

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skd5aner:

kormoc: similiar to this advice? http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/500187#500187

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kormoc:

Yeah

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CiaranG:

lautriv: Yep, got it working again here, but I had to manually run mdd on the backend

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skd5aner:

kormoc: I've got 4GB, so I should have some to spare for this

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skd5aner:

kormoc: how much memory do you have and what settings did you use that you found worked good in your situation (if it's easy for you to look that is)?

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kormoc:

skd5aner, easily

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lautriv:

CiaranG, aaaah, that may be a reason, will check if it's up. thx.

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kormoc:

skd5aner, I had 4 gigs of ram, I think I pegged them at 1 gig

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kormoc:

which was more then any needed

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skd5aner:

yea – huge... since I think the default is like 16MB

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kormoc:

skd5aner, you can use the mysqltuner.pl script to check too I believe

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kormoc:

it'll check some values and see if you're getting on disk temp tables

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skd5aner:

ahh, interesting

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skd5aner:

ok – thanks!

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kormoc:

wget mysqltuner.pl; perl mysqltuner.pl :)

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skd5aner:

yea

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skd5aner:

found it on github to – https://raw.github.com/rackerhacker/MySQLTune . . . ysqltuner.pl

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jams:

thats awesome that "wget mysqltuner.pl" works

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skd5aner:

http://mysqltuner.pl/mysqltuner.pl

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Reads / Writes: 9% / 91% – whoa – wouldn't have guessed that

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costainty:

i just bought a motorola dcx3400 and got it working beautifully with my myth setup through firewire (didnt know i could do that btw) just wondering if its possible to use multiple dcx's with different firewire cables or do i 'have' to daisy chain?

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costainty:

..the cable company told me the firewire port isnt even physically connected inside the box.. not sure what they're smoking exactly

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wagnerrp:

some boxes can be daisy chained as per firewire standard, others require they be connected directly to the host

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wagnerrp:

are you in the US or canada?

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costainty:

canada

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wagnerrp:

if the port isnt physically connected, theres nothing you can do with it

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costainty:

but it works! lol

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costainty:

they lied

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costainty:

or its magic

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wagnerrp:

the US used to have regulations that required the cable company to offer a cable box with functioning firewire

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wagnerrp:

however i believe that has been repealed

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wagnerrp:

canada never had any such regulations

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wagnerrp:

a working firewire port is completely at the discretion of the cable company, and what you can do with that port is again completely at the discretion of the cable company

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wagnerrp:

the content could all be marked for DRM at which point you couldnt get anything from the firewire port

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wagnerrp:

the box could be programmed to require 5C handshaking and encryption, at which point you still cant get anything from the firewire port regardless of what drm markings the content has

[17:40:06]

wagnerrp:

the box could be programmed to negotiate a connection, but be otherwise dumb in regards to any communication

[17:40:33]

wagnerrp:

or, you could actually be able to record off of it

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wagnerrp:

no way to know until you try, but dont get your hopes up

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dekarl-too:

man, I hate them, can't they change the service_id when they change the service?... the DVB service_id=16426 in original_network_id=8468 is no longer Bibel TV, its now Anixe/1music, how do I tell that to the logo downloader?

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costainty:

ya, i just dont get why they would tell me its not even physically connected when it works no problem, like how does that benefit them? :S

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wagnerrp:

they dont want you to record over firewire

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costainty:

i can understand if they dont wanna support it, then they could say "we dont support it" not "the usb and firewire port are not physically connected inside of your pvr box" its just weird

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wagnerrp:

why would they want their own DVR business to decline

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wagnerrp:

and i dont believe any production STB has a USB port you can record from

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costainty:

but, if mythtv is ok with multiple firewire boxes on separate firewire cables then i'm happy :)

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costainty:

ya i wasnt even expecting to record through firewire.. i thought i would have to buy the hauppauge hd-pvr and use firewire for changing channels. what a shock that it records video! :O

[17:52:31]

wagnerrp:

have you ever asked your cable company if they do cablecard?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, if you can use it for channel changing... thats much better than having to do ir blasting

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costainty:

i dont get cablecards, where is the benefit? i've never used one or really heard of them before

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wagnerrp:

0.25 actually has an internal firewire changer for such purpose

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wagnerrp:

the cablecard is just a conditional access and drm module

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wagnerrp:

your cable box likely has one stuffed inside it

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wagnerrp:

in the US, all cable boxes are required to have such a modular decrption system

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costainty:

it has a cablecard port on the back thats blocked off with a piece of plastic

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wagnerrp:

more likely, you remove the plastic, and find a cablecard installed inside

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wagnerrp:

the plastic is there because they dont want you removing the card

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wagnerrp:

if you can do firewire capture, and if it doesnt require 5C on everything, it will at least require 5C on anything marked 'copy once' or 'copy never'

[17:55:21]

wagnerrp:

at most you will be able to access the 'copy freely' content

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wagnerrp:

since mythtv is not licensed by cable labs, use of mythtv with a cablecard tuner will have the same restrictions

[17:56:13]

wagnerrp:

the difference is one cablecard tuner will have 2–4 tuners, fed by a single $2–3/mo cablecard rental

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wagnerrp:

as opposed to having to have 2–4 cable boxes with a $10/mo charge each, and potentially HDPVRs tied to each one at $175 a pop

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costainty:

interesting

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costainty:

it is a dual tuner pvr.. but so far i havent had any issues watching or recording any channels....... havent tried them all yet and honestly not even sure which channels i get

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wagnerrp:

so IF its an option, and IF your content is all marked drm free such that you can access it, cablecard tuners are a much cheaper and much more reliable prospect than firewire or analog capture

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wagnerrp:

your cable box wont have any problem recording channels, because it upholds the DRM, and has an authentication key to use as a result

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wagnerrp:

but firewire capture and cablecard recording only works with other devices similarly authenticated as upholding the DRM

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wagnerrp:

or on content that has no DRM to require upholding

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blscearce:

Not a question, but I thought people might be interested: my video card failed violently: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=231907 . . . &theater

[18:01:42]

wagnerrp:

it happens

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wagnerrp:

if it werent an old 7600, you could probably salvage it

[18:02:14]

blscearce:

Already bought and installed the replacement.

[18:02:55]

wagnerrp:

assuming the short caused when they blew didnt damage anything else, its simple enough to replace the caps

[18:03:02]

wagnerrp:

i did it on an old samsung monitor

[18:03:16]

wagnerrp:

but a GF7600 is just too old to bother doing so

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skd5aner:

yea – no kidding

[18:03:55]

skd5aner:

$30 for a new, better card... worth way more the time and effort of soldering on some new caps

[18:04:00]

blscearce:

The motherboard was smart enough to shut itself down when the capacitors failed, so no damage to other components.

[18:04:16]

wagnerrp:

several years ago, there was a rash of cheap chinese caps that swept the computer industry

[18:04:20]

skd5aner:

I've never had a cap blow though – kind of surprised it hasn't happened to me

[18:04:39]

wagnerrp:

youll now see motherboards advertised as having 'solid state caps', rather than electrolytic caps

[18:04:42]

blscearce:

I bought all the parts in 2007 or 2008, had trouble setting up the box then, and only got it working a couple of months ago. I remember reading about bad capacitors around that time... these ones were lying in wait.

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blscearce:

I was kind of hoping that the popping noises from the entertainment area were from my 20-year-old TV, so I'd have an excuse to replace it :)

[18:06:12]

wagnerrp:

if that were a more demanding card (or you had used it in more demanding ways), you would have seen issues weeks or even months ago as the power going to the GPU and other components started to fall off

[18:06:54]

wagnerrp:

graphical artifacts and instability as the voltage going to the GPU would falter

[18:07:15]

Seeker`:

blscearce: throw a wii controller at it

[18:07:51]

blscearce:

As I wrote in the picture comments, the card worked for a few days after the first capacitor (that I heard) blew up.

[18:08:58]

blscearce:

Seeker: Alas, I have a PS3, and the motion controllers have rubber balls at the business end; hard to break a 26-inch thick glass tube with one of those bad boys :)

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sphery:

wagnerrp: hehe, funny how it takes so long for some to make it here--and some never actually arrive here

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sphery:

sure makes helping hard

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PSU:

hi guys, i've been up and running for a week or so now with my DCR-2650 after Comcast had to replace the original CableCARD that was bad. Now the only minor problem that i have is a triangle ghosting effect in the upper right-hand corner of my display. this occurs during live tv and recordings, but it not present on the myth homescreen nor while watching tv on my Comcast receiver.

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PSU:

the triangle flashes in and out about every 10 seconds. has anyone seen this before?

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PSU:

found some references online referring to the ivtvdriver

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likwid--_:

after watching a show, will it ever mark it as 'watched' on its own? ive always used the menu to mark it.

[19:01:22]

dekarl-too:

likwid--_: there is an option to automatically mark recordings watched if you exit close to the end

[19:02:27]

dekarl-too:

supposedly on the first page of the general playback settings

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PSU:

hmm, looks like v4l2-ctl is only related to the older PVR cards

[19:03:30]

devinheitmueller:

PSU: v4l2-ctl is used supported by all V4L devices.

[19:03:35]

devinheitmueller:

It's actively maintained.

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PSU:

ok, thanks devinheitmueller

[19:04:52]

PSU:

it looks like my issue is only a playback and not recording

[19:05:03]

devinheitmueller:

ok.

[19:05:06]

PSU:

i just streamed the recording to my laptop and it looks crisp

[19:05:15]

dekarl-too:

PSU isnt the DCT-2650 a digital receiver? hinting strongly that its a playback issue

[19:05:19]

devinheitmueller:

If it's really a playback issue then it's got nothing to do with the capture card. :-)

[19:05:31]

PSU:

exactly, capture is fine! :)

[19:05:32]

devinheitmueller:

Oh, it's a 2650? Yeah, in that case it isn't a V4L2 device at all.

[19:05:42]

dekarl-too:

its not going to decode the video stream, add artefacts and reencode it ;)

[19:05:49]

PSU:

:P

[19:06:14]

PSU:

so are there settings that i could tweak for playback / output video?

[19:06:31]

PSU:

i don't notice any problems when i play back videos that were uploaded to the box

[19:06:33]

PSU:

only recordings

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devinheitmueller:

PSU: not really. It's just taking the MPEG packets off the wire and writing them to disk. It never sees the raw video.

[19:07:00]

devinheitmueller:

Oh wait, I misunderstood. nevermind.

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PSU:

hmm, may be i'm wrong. the issue may be there with videos as well

[19:08:20]

PSU:

so it's all play back

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dekarl-too:

PSU what decoder, renderer and playback profile are you using?

[19:08:40]

PSU:

let me check

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PSU:

trying to find where that is :P

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PSU:

for the player in Video Settings i am just using "Internal" as the default

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dekarl-too:

sounds good

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PSU:

do u think i should try an alternate one?

[19:11:36]

dekarl-too:

config -> TV -> playback -> 3/8 (depending on menu theme)

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dekarl-too:

PSU: no the internal player has lots of fixes to handle broadcast AV streams

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PSU:

ok i'm on playbacck profiles (3/8)

[19:12:58]

PSU:

Current Video Playback profile = CPU+

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dekarl-too:

try slim/normal/high and avoid the CPUxxx profiles, they are going away because they make more problems then they solve

[19:13:59]

PSU:

ok cool, let me give it a try

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PSU:

which one do you recommend?

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dekarl-too:

see http://www.mythtv.org/news/144/XvMC%20and%20l . . . %20in%200.25 for the announcement wrt CPUxxx

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dekarl-too:

PSU I'd try them from high to slim

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PSU:

ok

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dekarl-too:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Playback_profiles explains the differences

[19:16:52]

PSU:

yeah it's still there with "high"

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dekarl-too:

meh

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PSU:

it's weird, just a triangle on the right hand side...appears to come up with every camera change

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PSU:

like when the camera pans, or they switch angles

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dekarl-too:

uh, like these cut marks? (I've seen them sometimes, but only at cold cuts)

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PSU:

i'm not really sure what they are...i can try to take a picture :)

[19:19:26]

PSU:

trying normal mode now

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dekarl-too:

hm, mythtv has a nice screenshot function, i'm just not sure if its in 0.24 or master and how to activate it ;)

[19:21:15]

PSU:

same thing in Normal/Slim modes. let me try to get a screenshot

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noisymouse:

how long mythtv to install takes?

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noisymouse:

*compile

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PSU:

dekarl-too: lot harder than i thought to capture :) it only lasts for a split second

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dekarl-too:

noisymouse: using packages would be preffered due to lots of dependencies to setup... but the raw compile time is between some minutes and 2 hours depending on your host and if you use a caching compiler

[19:24:33]

PSU:

actually it happens when i hit and release pause. it won't stay on when paused

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noisymouse:

dekarl-too: well I'm on gentoo so I pretty much compile everything

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dekarl-too:

PSU, its not the Pause/play sign in the upper right corner with display issues?

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dekarl-too:

noisymouse: I see, well no idea how that gentoo stuff works

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PSU:

dekarlt-too: got a picture of it...one sec and i will share. no, it's not the sign, as this happens with every camera pan or change when watching a recording or video

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PSU:

dekarl-too: http://imgur.com/FMpt3

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PSU:

it's normally not that obvious, as it usually blends in which the background, but that's the "triangle" that i spoke of. this appears every few seconds during playback

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dekarl-too:

might be a rendering artefact, but of what?

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PSU:

good question :/

[19:31:13]

PSU:

do u think i need to update my video card driver?

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PSU:

Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV380 [Radeon X600]

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PSU:

that's the card...pretty basic.

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dekarl-too:

hm, if you have the opengl driver installed you could use opengl displaying. the triangle looks like half a rectangle, so might indeed be some rendering artefact. But no idea wrt AMD and Linux

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PSU:

how can i check if the opengl driver is installed and switch?

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dekarl-too:

wiki to the rescue ;) maybe there are some hints? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/ATI_Proprietary_Dr . . . enGL_Painter

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dekarl-too:

PSU I don't know, but knowing the distributing would be helpful for whoever might know the answer

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PSU:

distribution? MythDora, if that's what you're looking for. let me take a look at that wiki!

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dekarl-too:

yes, thats it

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PSU:

dekarl-too: thanks for your help! all that i needed was the latest ATI driver...seems i didn't have a real ATI driver installed!

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Seeker`:

woo, got my ambilight set up

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sphery:

using system events?

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wagnerrp:

now now... thats trademark infringement and we can have that

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Seeker`:

sphery: huh?

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Seeker`:

*ambilight clone

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Seeker`:

happy? :P

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wagnerrp:

you got your... "video frame edge referenced background colored lighting" set up

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wagnerrp:

:)

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wagnerrp:

*cant

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wagnerrp:

V-FERBCL

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sphery:

Seeker`: turning on and off the ambilight based on activity in progress using system events

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sphery:

that was the user-request that led to CM finishing up system events

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wagnerrp:

sphery: no, some application that grabs the edges of the screen to control the backlighting

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wagnerrp:

he was having trouble getting it to interface with vdpau, and get the rendered frame before it goes to the display

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Seeker`:

sphery: no, but my girlfriend just requested that I find a way of making it go white when TV is paused

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eye69:

Hello. For some reason mythvideo (running 0.24-fixes) uses the folder name of a file as metadata source for some files, but not for others. I

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eye69:

Damn...

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eye69:

Hello. For some reason mythvideo (running 0.24-fixes) uses the folder name of a file as metadata source for some files, but not for others. I'd like it to never do that, since it means I have to edit it manually and remove the info that messes up the TMDB fetch

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eye69:

I name all my movies exactly as they are named on themoviedb.org to make it easier to fetch metadata

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wagnerrp:

the folder name may be used depending on your file naming system

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wagnerrp:

there is a rather large regular expression used to extract season and episode information from tv shows

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wagnerrp:

anything that doesnt match this regular expression falls through to setting the title to the filename

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wagnerrp:

eye69: give an example

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eye69:

Sure...for instance: "/mnt/yoshi/media/movies/X264/Gran.Torino.2008.1080p.BD9.x264-BDFLiX/Gran Torino.mkv"

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[R]:

and boom goes the dymomite

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wagnerrp:

well theres the problem, see the topic

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wagnerrp:

specifically, the last bit of it

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AndyCap:

:)

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eye69:

And that's what I was guessing that the "answer" would be...

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eye69:

The strange is that it seems to be doing it a bit at random. Other movies with the exact same naming scheme gets parsed by the filename and not the folder

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[R]:

ist the "screw with pirates" filter

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[R]:

you never know when it'll hit

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wagnerrp:

[R]: no, that comes into play if it finds '.nfo' files that dont match XBMC's XML format

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[R]:

ah

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abarbaccia:

hi – i'm trying to transcode a mythtv recording using ffmpeg or libx264 and keep getting an error about DTS being out of range. anybody seen this before?

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wagnerrp:

[R]: yeah, there it is... https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . oad.cpp#L399

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wagnerrp:

DTS?

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wagnerrp:

anything you might be recording will either be AC3 (if digital)

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wagnerrp:

potentially AAC (from an hdpvr)

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wagnerrp:

MPEG2 (from an mpeg encoder card)

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[R]:

wagnerrp: HAHA

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wagnerrp:

or MP3 (analog recording)

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abarbaccia:

wagnerrp: the source is AAC

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abarbaccia:

wagnerrp: i'm getting the following error from handbrake reader: 50808 drops because DTS out of range

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abarbaccia:

i'm selecting the 2channel audio stream and seeing what it will do

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abarbaccia:

oh snap

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abarbaccia:

i think it's trying to encode to DTS

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wagnerrp:

yeah, no sense encoding to DTS

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wagnerrp:

honestly, no sense transcoding unless youre trying to use it on a device that doesnt support the relatively high bitrate content from the HDPVR

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abarbaccia:

well, its transcoding to Dolby Pro Logic II, which is probably overkill for my ipad

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wagnerrp:

h264+aac+mpegts coming out of the HDPVR should be fairly widely supported

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abarbaccia:

its not hdpvr, it's just dtv, so mpeg4

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wagnerrp:

so its AC3

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abarbaccia:

right

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wagnerrp:

and MPEG2

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abarbaccia:

corrrect

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abarbaccia:

mpeg2, not mpeg4

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abarbaccia:

sorry

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wagnerrp:

are you running 0.24 or 0.25?

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abarbaccia:

0.24

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wagnerrp:

for offline use or would you be connected to the network/internet during playback?

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abarbaccia:

offline use

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abarbaccia:

i know you guys have some funky stuff planned for 0.25 with streaming, but this is just taking the videos w me on the subway

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wagnerrp:

nuvexport has an ipod profile

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wagnerrp:

you could likely use it directly

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wagnerrp:

or it should be fairly easy to tweak for higher bitrate and quality

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wagnerrp:

it should be h264+aac+mp4, so you would just be looking at changing static resolution and bitrate definitions

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abarbaccia:

if this issue is a matter of audio encoding, i can possibly use passthru to avoid it

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wagnerrp:

wait, does nuvexport not have any pre-defined profiles?

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wagnerrp:

i always thought it did but im not seeing anything to that effect in the code

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wagnerrp:

i dont believe the ipad supports ac3

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wagnerrp:

apple has capabilities of their player pretty restricted

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wagnerrp:

something third party might be able to

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wagnerrp:

abarbaccia: what OS?

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abarbaccia:

linux

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abarbaccia:

okay, i'm seeing if ffmpeg does a better job with handling the audio

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abarbaccia:

its converting it to AAC (from AC3)

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devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: nope. Only AAC and MP3.

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abarbaccia:

if that doesn't work, we'll test mp3

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abarbaccia:

hopefully one of them can work around this..

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wagnerrp:

abarbaccia: linux is the kernel... os... ubuntu? fedora? mandriva? suse? gentoo?...

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abarbaccia:

ubuntu

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abarbaccia:

sorry

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wagnerrp:

mythbuntu comes bundled with their own mythexport, which is similar in purpose to nuvexport

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abarbaccia:

wagnerrp: i wanted to keep with more common tools if possible

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abarbaccia:

i have a python script that takes the video, encodes it, creates an rss, and publishes it

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abarbaccia:

got it working fine, but now i just realized my videos are cutting out at 5:00m exactly

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wagnerrp:

abarbaccia: mythexport is common in the sense that every single person running the mythbuntu packages has it

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wagnerrp:

one of their guys maintains it, or nuvexport is maintained by bei rdo and to a lesser extent xr is

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abarbaccia:

wagnerrp: that's a good point

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abarbaccia:

if i cant get this working by a simple setting change, then i'll have to look at other options

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abarbaccia:

it hangs at 16.98% ... we're at 10.93

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abarbaccia:

i'm getting nervous

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