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| [01:25:36] | darkdrgn2k: | is there any easy way to print or generate a list of movies from myth with posters? |
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| [04:25:10] | Rino__: | anyone here familier with Hdhomerun with mythtv for rogers cable? |
| [04:26:14] | wagnerrp: | im familiar with it in general |
| [04:26:18] | wagnerrp: | rogers is.... canadian? |
| [04:26:32] | Rino__: | yep |
| [04:27:09] | wagnerrp: | canada has no regulation over what channels can and cannot be encrypted |
| [04:27:25] | wagnerrp: | so you may get nothing with an HDHR, you may get just the local broadcast channels |
| [04:29:15] | Rino__: | been reading other one, they've found ways to fool it. so that what i'm looking foor. |
| [04:30:14] | wagnerrp: | fool it? |
| [04:30:20] | wagnerrp: | there is no way to 'fool' encryption |
| [04:30:31] | wagnerrp: | you have to decrypt it, plain and simple |
| [04:30:35] | wagnerrp: | which means a cablecard |
| [04:30:47] | wagnerrp: | which are not heavily used in canada |
| [04:33:10] | Rino__: | Well seem somthing caught this time. reboot my machine and cross fingers i get something |
| [04:34:19] | Rino__: | and what i was maining looking ofr here is to setup where it uses the basic channels, the one that are not encrypted that any tv can recieve. |
| [04:34:43] | wagnerrp: | there is no 'fooling' needed to access those |
| [04:34:50] | Rino__: | once i have that part done, the second part will be to connect hte cable box and get those as well. |
| [04:34:51] | wagnerrp: | you just scan for channels like any other digital tuner |
| [04:35:04] | wagnerrp: | you cannot access content from a cable box using a hdhomerun |
| [04:35:14] | wagnerrp: | you will need to purchase a separate analog capture card/box |
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| [05:28:06] | ekoffel: | Hey all |
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| [14:15:09] | PSU: | when setting up the video sources with schedules direct in mythtv...do i need to have the cable connected at that point? i enter my user name and password and it says 50% and there is no lineup listed. everything appears to be fine with my SD account and lineup on their site. |
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| [15:36:39] | sphery: | PSU: No need to have cable connected (only Internet connection is required at that point). I'm assuming you had just set up your Schedules Direct account? If so, it usually takes a bit before the account is all ready to go. Could be ready, now, or might need to give it another couple hours. |
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| [15:44:53] | PSU: | sphery: account was setup in past...renewed yesterday...still seeing the same thing |
| [15:45:06] | PSU: | any suggestions? |
| [15:47:00] | sphery: | is this on a mac os x system? got wget installed and available in the PATH? |
| [15:47:44] | PSU: | sphery: no, fedora based |
| [15:47:49] | sphery: | did you renew before it expired or after? if after, I'd guess it would be like a new account (might take some time to propagate changes)? |
| [15:48:39] | PSU: | renewed after it had expired...but my acct was still out there |
| [15:48:43] | PSU: | renewed 26 hrs ago |
| [15:48:46] | sphery: | and note that wget has to be available in the path being used in the environment running mythtv-setup/mythbackend |
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| [15:49:21] | PSU: | ok, can you explain more about wget? |
| [15:49:27] | PSU: | how can i test/check? |
| [15:49:37] | sphery: | 0.24-fixes? |
| [15:50:05] | PSU: | yes, i believe that i have the latest updates installed |
| [15:50:06] | sphery: | log output should show wget output (which could also provide more detail of what's going on)... if not, then it can't find wget |
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| [15:50:48] | PSU: | sphery: do i need to have the capture cards properly configured for SD to download? |
| [15:53:17] | sphery: | probably not |
| [15:53:22] | sphery: | what's log output say? |
| [15:53:56] | PSU: | sorry, where do i find the log out put? |
| [15:54:24] | sphery: | depends where/how you start mythtv-setup |
| [15:54:32] | sphery: | if you start from a console, it will be in that console |
| [15:54:42] | PSU: | ok, yes...from the console |
| [15:54:45] | sphery: | unless it's a script that calls some renamed-version of mythtv-setup |
| [15:55:33] | PSU: | sorry, i'm not following where it would be located. can i look at the logs from the terminal? |
| [15:57:58] | PSU: | isn't there a way that i can manually try to download the lineups? from the terminal? |
| [15:58:31] | sphery: | log output are in terminal unless your distro moves them |
| [15:58:42] | PSU: | ok |
| [15:58:50] | PSU: | wondering if i can try this – tv_grab_na_dd --configure |
| [15:59:25] | sphery: | you could try that |
| [15:59:29] | PSU: | ok, sec |
| [15:59:42] | sphery: | but you should look at the log output to see what it says is failing |
| [15:59:55] | sphery: | log output from mythtv-setup |
| [16:00:09] | PSU: | ok, i guess it's not running from a console window...i don't see any terminals open |
| [16:00:25] | PSU: | so should i try running mythtv-setup from a terminal and then look for errors there? |
| [16:00:33] | sphery: | yes |
| [16:00:36] | PSU: | ok :) |
| [16:00:37] | PSU: | trying now |
| [16:00:45] | sphery: | where terminal means a terminal in X windows |
| [16:02:28] | PSU: | several errors starting up related to mythfontproperties |
| [16:02:34] | PSU: | error failed to load droid sans |
| [16:03:20] | sphery: | please pastebin whole output after you attempt download of lineup |
| [16:03:30] | PSU: | ok |
| [16:03:34] | sphery: | and you really need to install droid sans font if you use MythCenter-wide, or nothing will fit |
| [16:03:38] | sphery: | (text wise) |
| [16:03:57] | PSU: | ok, so u know the next question :) |
| [16:04:01] | PSU: | how do i install droid sans :) |
| [16:04:29] | sphery: | no idea... it's a font from Android phones |
| [16:04:39] | sphery: | you'll have to ask others using your distro |
| [16:04:46] | PSU: | ok, np |
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| [16:05:16] | PSU: | pastebin |
| [16:05:19] | PSU: | whoops |
| [16:05:25] | PSU: | wrong keyboard :) |
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| [16:07:05] | PSU: | sphery: http://pastebin.com/pHbHCJHS |
| [16:07:56] | sphery: | PSU: yeah, it's saying there's a problem with your account or schedules direct |
| [16:08:04] | sphery: | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 500 Internal Server Error |
| [16:08:37] | sphery: | so you either need to wait for it to get all set up properly (likely it's like a new account since it expired before you renewed it) |
| [16:08:59] | sphery: | or you might be able to make it work by using the re-add all lineups button on the website, somewhere |
| [16:11:12] | PSU: | ok thanks! |
| [16:12:28] | sphery: | try the re-add all lineups, first, and if that doesn't work, then try waiting another day |
| [16:13:06] | PSU: | ok, will do. also, fixed that font issue (http://lists.rpmfusion.org/pipermail/rpmfusio . . . 000655.html) |
| [16:13:21] | sphery: | yay, that will make it look much better |
| [16:13:24] | PSU: | :) |
| [16:13:30] | sphery: | otherwise, times and such would be cut off |
| [16:13:50] | PSU: | if the lineups don't work today, can i still work at setting up the DCR-2650, or does everything hinge upon the lineups? |
| [16:13:56] | sphery: | could make it look even better by using a different theme, though...instead of a MythTV 0.18 theme |
| [16:13:59] | sphery: | :) |
| [16:14:06] | PSU: | heh, going with what i know :) |
| [16:14:24] | sphery: | the digital side of the capture card can be set up before SD is working |
| [16:14:31] | PSU: | ok |
| [16:14:35] | sphery: | because you /must/ scan for channels with a digital capture card |
| [16:14:50] | sphery: | then you match the found channels to xmltvids of schedules direct channels in your lineups |
| [16:14:57] | PSU: | ok |
| [16:15:27] | sphery: | but you need to wait until lineup is available to do analog channels (so you can use Fetch channels from listings source instead of scanning) |
| [16:15:46] | PSU: | ah, ok |
| [16:18:06] | PSU: | looks like that command line gives a little more info |
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| [16:18:14] | PSU: | FAULT: Your subscription has expired. Please renew your subscription. |
| [16:18:14] | PSU: | ERROR: |
| [16:18:35] | sphery: | did you try the re-add all lineups thing? |
| [16:18:54] | PSU: | yup :/ |
| [16:19:00] | sphery: | then gotta wait |
| [16:19:39] | PSU: | hopefully they're not on vacation until the new year :) |
| [16:20:13] | sphery: | it's all automated stuff, so it should happen by itself |
| [16:21:20] | PSU: | yup |
| [16:21:43] | PSU: | ok, now to see if this DCR-2650 works...ought to be fun! |
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| [16:33:32] | PSU: | sphery: found a workaround/fix to the SD fetch issue :) |
| [16:33:42] | PSU: | http://forums.schedulesdirect.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=985 |
| [16:33:57] | PSU: | basically if you change your password, it forces an account sync...seems to have worked! :) |
| [16:34:20] | sphery: | cool |
| [16:34:26] | sphery: | good to know |
| [16:34:36] | PSU: | yeah, who would have known! |
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| [18:31:58] | StevenR_: | how do I permit re-record for things I've deleted? |
| [18:32:57] | wagnerrp: | manage recordings -> previous recordings |
| [18:33:05] | wagnerrp: | you can mark shows for re-recording in there |
| [18:33:23] | wagnerrp: | or, you can wait for that particular show to show up in the upcoming schedule, and mark an override there |
| [18:35:19] | StevenR_: | wagnerrp: can I do that from the web interface? |
| [18:35:33] | wagnerrp: | the first, no... the second, yes |
| [18:36:07] | StevenR_: | ok. thanks |
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| [18:37:32] | ** StevenR_ makes a note for when he's not at the far end of a VPN ** | |
| [18:39:05] | wagnerrp: | dont have mythfrontend installed? |
| [18:39:37] | wagnerrp: | video lkely isnt an option, but the UI itself should work just fine remotely over a VPN |
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| [18:46:39] | StevenR_: | wagnerrp: not enough bandwidth/too much latency – stuck waiting for it to load the UI still |
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| [18:52:47] | sphery: | StevenR_: if you're using 0.24-fixes, you'll want to use mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=qt (unstable/development should figure it out automatically) |
| [18:56:39] | StevenR_: | sphery: why? |
| [18:57:03] | StevenR_: | (the mythfrontend is local, the backend is at the far end of the VPN) |
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| [19:00:29] | StevenR_: | sphery: even with that, it failed with: ICE default IO error handler doing an exit(), pid = 10927, errno = 32 |
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| [19:12:18] | sphery: | StevenR_: the ICE error is due to a misconfiguration of your underlying X/ICE... |
| [19:12:48] | sphery: | StevenR_: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/498217#498217 |
| [19:14:38] | StevenR_: | sphery: hmmm. it's owned by me. |
| [19:15:45] | sphery: | well, try deleting it |
| [19:15:50] | sphery: | may be broken permissions |
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| [19:24:37] | PSU: | okay, i was able to get my DCR-2650 setup with relative ease thanks to sphery's help! Now it seems that i only have one problem remaining which relates to one HD channel. it will only play for 5–10 seconds in LiveTV mode or recorded mode and then it fails with the error "Video frame buffering failed too many times." here's the actually errors in the console -> http://pastebin.com/7uDGzpi7. |
| [19:24:56] | StevenR_: | sphery: well, that works, thanks. It seems to be doing fine without such a file strangely. |
| [19:25:03] | PSU: | Since this only happens on one channel (I verified 15+ were fine) do I need to call Comcast to have them push something to the cable card, or is there a way to resolve this in myth? I verified that the channel looks fine from my Comcast DVR box. |
| [19:25:11] | ** StevenR_ bails for food ** | |
| [19:32:37] | wagnerrp: | StevenR_: i was actually referring to running the frontend locally, connecting to the database and backend over the vpn |
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| [20:42:09] | darkdrgn2k3: | hey all |
| [20:42:19] | darkdrgn2k3: | any one know if the Disnetwork/exress vu receivers support CEC? |
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| [20:46:02] | JMetcalf: | Has anyone had success with installing the Hauppauge Colossus card as a tuner? |
| [20:46:43] | JMetcalf: | Searched Wiki and Google couldnt find a definitive answer and Hauppauge doesnt say if it supports the Open Source Capture that with uses |
| [20:46:52] | JMetcalf: | Myth* |
| [20:46:56] | wagnerrp: | JMetcalf: does not work in linux |
| [20:47:23] | darkdrgn2k3: | another question, does myth support libcec ? |
| [20:47:31] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [20:47:46] | darkdrgn2k3: | awsome :) |
| [20:47:54] | darkdrgn2k3: | just have to figure out of the receivers support it now.. |
| [20:49:38] | JMetcalf: | bummer, I have 2 HD sources and was worried about the HD-PVR USB interface being overloaded... has anyone successfully used Dual HD-PVR USB from Happauge in Myth? |
| [20:50:14] | darkdrgn2k3: | you can always get a second usb bus :-P |
| [20:50:34] | darkdrgn2k3: | or attach it to a differn usb bus on board lol |
| [20:50:51] | darkdrgn2k3: | also |
| [20:50:53] | darkdrgn2k3: | "Record at datarates from 1Mbs to 13.5Mbs, constant and Variable Bit Rate" |
| [20:51:12] | wagnerrp: | JMetcalf: if possible, youre better off with a cablecard tuner |
| [20:51:28] | darkdrgn2k3: | usb is like 450 |
| [20:51:41] | wagnerrp: | usb is 480mbps... in theory |
| [20:51:50] | wagnerrp: | youll never hit anything like that |
| [20:51:53] | darkdrgn2k3: | still even at 50% thast still bit more then 13 :-P |
| [20:52:11] | darkdrgn2k3: | wagnerrp: there are no other HD tuners that can do receiver content except the hd pvr from happauge (usb) right |
| [20:52:24] | wagnerrp: | assuming youre likely to hit 50% with real-time devices like the HDPVR |
| [20:52:34] | wagnerrp: | the HDPVR is not a tuner |
| [20:52:38] | wagnerrp: | there is no such thing as an HD tuner |
| [20:52:38] | darkdrgn2k3: | sorry |
| [20:52:43] | JMetcalf: | Capture/Encoder |
| [20:52:45] | darkdrgn2k3: | there are no other HD capture devices.. |
| [20:53:01] | wagnerrp: | there are other HD capture devices, but none currently supported by mythtv |
| [20:53:06] | darkdrgn2k3: | wouldnt ATSC be considered an hd tner? |
| [20:53:49] | wagnerrp: | no, its a digital tuner |
| [20:53:56] | darkdrgn2k3: | fair enough..' |
| [20:54:10] | darkdrgn2k3: | just liek an NTSC tuner is not a SD tuner but an analog one! |
| [20:54:27] | wagnerrp: | no, an NTSC tuner is an SD tuner |
| [20:54:28] | JMetcalf: | @warnerrp, so Digital Cable tuner? Like the 2650 that Hauppauge makes? |
| [20:54:34] | wagnerrp: | because it actually captures SD video |
| [20:54:50] | wagnerrp: | where a digital tuner captures a generic data stream |
| [20:55:00] | darkdrgn2k3: | hmm.... ok fair enough. |
| [20:55:13] | wagnerrp: | that in our case, just happens to carry many compressed MPEG2 video streams |
| [20:55:15] | darkdrgn2k3: | learn something new every day |
| [20:55:22] | wagnerrp: | JMetcalf: correct |
| [20:55:49] | wagnerrp: | darkdrgn2k: what im getting at is that analog tuner capture video, while digital tuners just capture data |
| [20:55:56] | wagnerrp: | there is nothing inherently HD or SD about the data |
| [20:56:24] | darkdrgn2k3: | although NTSC tuners can seem to capture some sort of data |
| [20:56:27] | wagnerrp: | JMetcalf: note that mythtv can only capture 'copy freely' content from a digital cable tuner |
| [20:56:27] | darkdrgn2k3: | (gemstar comes to mind...) |
| [20:56:47] | wagnerrp: | darkdrgn2k: that is data encoded into the video frames |
| [20:56:59] | wagnerrp: | the top 45 frames, specifically |
| [20:57:00] | darkdrgn2k3: | cool.. |
| [20:57:08] | JMetcalf: | hmm... I wonder how much is copy freely anymore... seem like my CalbeProvider is encrypting evrything last time I tried |
| [20:57:10] | wagnerrp: | s/frames/lines/ |
| [20:57:28] | wagnerrp: | JMetcalf: if its unencrypted, you just use a digital tuner |
| [20:57:41] | darkdrgn2k3: | JMetcalf: in canada... nothing! well might as well be nothing |
| [20:57:44] | JMetcalf: | oh you are talking about the Copy Flag |
| [20:57:52] | JMetcalf: | gotcha |
| [20:57:52] | wagnerrp: | if its encrypted, but 'copy freely', you can use a cablecard tuner |
| [20:58:44] | darkdrgn2k3: | wagnerrp: my HD PVR almsot never crashed, but in the middle of SOME recordings it cuts out for a second or two.. any ideas? |
| [20:59:00] | wagnerrp: | anything else on that USB bus? |
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| [21:00:02] | darkdrgn2k3: | nop its a dedicated box in the closet |
| [21:00:08] | darkdrgn2k3: | no mouse or keyboard even |
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| [21:15:21] | JMetcalf: | thanks wagnerrp, for the Asst. |
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| [21:55:41] | darkdrgn2k3: | any idea of a SMALL outdoor antenna that i dont have to mount :-P |
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| [22:16:19] | Muzer: | |
| [22:16:26] | Muzer: | or I'd like to add but I know how to do that, it's the DiSEqC that's confused me slightly) |
| [22:16:43] | Muzer: | *adapter |
| [22:17:04] | wagnerrp: | channels are mapped to video source, not tuner cards or inputs |
| [22:17:38] | Muzer: | mm, but what I'm sort of asking is would you add another source for a different LNB |
| [22:17:44] | Muzer: | or how would that work |
| [22:17:52] | wagnerrp: | thats the whole purpose of video sources |
| [22:17:55] | Muzer: | or would you need to specify some parameter for every existing channel telling it which LNB to use |
| [22:18:34] | Muzer: | right. And it looks to me like I'd need to delete and readd the adapter, because I can't seem to figure out how to delete the LNB. |
| [22:19:53] | wagnerrp: | ive never actually configured a satellite tuner, so im not going to be of much help on how to do so |
| [22:20:29] | Muzer: | ah, fair enough. |
| [22:22:46] | Muzer: | ah, yes |
| [22:22:56] | Muzer: | in input connection you get to connect different LNBs to different sources |
| [22:22:57] | Muzer: | that's good |
| [22:29:13] | Muzer: | argh, can you delete connections? I accidentally made a duplicate but it won't seem to let me delete it |
| [22:29:30] | Muzer: | ah, set the input to none |
| [22:35:10] | wagnerrp: | eeeech... |
| [22:35:25] | wagnerrp: | tv show recorded on FOX, 6GB for the episode |
| [22:35:31] | wagnerrp: | only... its a 2hr episode |
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| [22:43:29] | Muzer: | resolution? |
| [22:50:38] | wagnerrp: | 1280x720 |
| [22:54:45] | Muzer: | hmm, sounds pretty poor bitrate to me... |
| [23:06:10] | Seeker`: | DVD bitrate, roughly |
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| [23:08:59] | Oleg_: | I am curious what games would actually require 16 GBs of RAM |
| [23:09:17] | wagnerrp: | right now? probably none |
| [23:10:01] | Seeker`: | depends on how quickly |
| [23:10:07] | Seeker`: | texture sizes increase |
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| [23:10:34] | Seeker`: | and GPU memory size increases |
| [23:10:51] | wagnerrp: | PC games dont run off the CD/DVD these days, theyre all hard drive based |
| [23:10:57] | wagnerrp: | so its not like you have to load from that |
| [23:11:03] | wagnerrp: | you use the much faster hard drive |
| [23:11:16] | Seeker`: | I suspect that textures etc. are loaded in to RAM when the level loads |
| [23:11:42] | wagnerrp: | most games are only going to have 2–6GB of data visible |
| [23:11:52] | wagnerrp: | so the only thing the additional memory would be used for would be pre-fetch |
| [23:11:57] | wagnerrp: | and ive not yet seen a game that does that well |
| [23:12:13] | wagnerrp: | theyre too stuck on being designed for consoles with a measily 512MB of memory |
| [23:12:20] | wagnerrp: | so their prefetchers dont scale past a couple GB |
| [23:12:41] | Scopeuk: | most games are hard coded to a 2 gig ram limit much less frame buffer |
| [23:12:59] | Seeker`: | When people start using 16k textures regularly they'll use more RAM |
| [23:13:12] | wagnerrp: | well thats because they think the average person is still running 32-bit windows |
| [23:13:19] | wagnerrp: | (because the average person is still running 32-bit windows) |
| [23:13:26] | Seeker`: | Scopeuk: errr, you sure about that? |
| [23:13:28] | Scopeuk: | yet there willign to abandon dx9 |
| [23:13:31] | wagnerrp: | which is absolutely retarded |
| [23:13:32] | Scopeuk: | Seeker`, yes |
| [23:13:58] | wagnerrp: | there should simply no longer be 32-bit versions of windows available for purchase |
| [23:14:04] | Scopeuk: | one of the latest generic sequels was recently patched to allow up to 4 |
| [23:14:18] | Scopeuk: | wagnerrp, havent seen a machine sold with 32 bit windows in almost a year |
| [23:14:31] | Seeker`: | you can still buy 32-bit windows thugh |
| [23:14:52] | wagnerrp: | Scopeuk: that should have been the environment four years ago |
| [23:14:59] | wagnerrp: | 32-bit win7 shouldnt even exist |
| [23:15:05] | Scopeuk: | yes because there are applications that wont run in the emulated 32 bit enviroment on a 64 bit os |
| [23:15:14] | Scopeuk: | wagnerrp, i'll agree to that |
| [23:15:25] | Scopeuk: | most of those apps suffer if you move up from xp or 2000 any way |
| [23:15:30] | wagnerrp: | no, there are ancient 16 bit applications that wont run in the 64bit windows |
| [23:15:40] | wagnerrp: | anything 32-bit will run just fine |
| [23:15:47] | wagnerrp: | because its not emulated, its at best sandboxed |
| [23:15:52] | wagnerrp: | it runs natively on the processor |
| [23:16:01] | Scopeuk: | its not the 32 bit issue its the win on win implimentation that does it |
| [23:16:18] | wagnerrp: | which as i understand it should only affect drivers |
| [23:16:37] | Scopeuk: | i know of atleast two apps at work that wont have it |
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