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| [00:08:45] | pyther: | stupid nvidia drivers |
| [00:08:49] | pyther: | mythfrontend[22135] general protection ip:7f455f450a08 sp:7f454b7fde00 error:0 in libnvidia-tls.so.290.10[7f455f450000+3000] |
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| [00:30:24] | bixter: | is it faster and easier for the frontend to use an iso (dvd image) in a NFS mount rather than a storage group? |
| [00:32:23] | wagnerrp: | if you are using ISOs, it is currently faster to use NFS than storage groups |
| [00:32:37] | wagnerrp: | that has been fixed for the most part in 0.25 |
| [00:35:03] | bixter: | omg much faster! |
| [00:46:34] | bixter: | i use mythbuntu, does it make sense to go to 0.25 yet? |
| [00:47:13] | wagnerrp: | if you have to ask, then no |
| [00:47:17] | iamlindoro: | It doesn't make any sense to go to .25 until one exists |
| [00:47:23] | bixter: | haha, got ya :) |
| [00:50:29] | jm|laptop: | Murray Christmas |
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| [01:44:38] | bixter: | happy holidays yall |
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| [02:44:28] | Beirdo: | looks like the dork lord is back |
| [02:44:58] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: you are apparently a hardware snob |
| [02:45:34] | sphery: | Pardon me, but would you happen to have any Grey Poupon? |
| [02:46:15] | wagnerrp: | well S-O-R-R-Y for wanting hardware with better performance than my discarded 7yr old desktops |
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| [02:46:41] | sphery: | it's really sad that the people in those threads never get the difference between "can you" and "should you" |
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| [03:41:13] | [R]: | wagnerrp++ |
| [03:51:28] | sphery: | yeah, the worst part is that these are recommendations to inexperienced users with the recommender not mentioning limitations or shortfalls or disadvantages, and having absolutely no idea how good the new user is going to be at making it work |
| [03:51:41] | sphery: | so recommending "the hard way" is a bad choice |
| [03:51:57] | sphery: | about like all the people recommending the (unsupported) Ceton InfiniTV |
| [03:52:13] | [R]: | i was talking to a friend about the rasberry pi |
| [03:52:26] | [R]: | and i was like "yeah, but what would i do with it? and don't say use it for mythtv" |
| [03:52:43] | sphery: | hehe |
| [03:53:12] | [R]: | its a cool little toy... but really, what use is it? |
| [03:53:31] | sphery: | so, how many of the "oh, atom is fine" people do you think go out and buy the best/fastest/most-powerful smartphones "because last month's model is too slow" |
| [03:53:59] | sphery: | yeah, the pi is good for what it's designed for--a toy to allow people to learn how computers work |
| [03:54:21] | [R]: | i think atom is "fine"... then again... i have run into its limitations and have accepted them |
| [03:54:43] | sphery: | well, we all know I think the atom is a stupid farce |
| [03:54:54] | [R]: | haha |
| [03:54:55] | sphery: | it's a Celeron with /much/ better marketing |
| [03:55:09] | [R]: | isn't it worse? |
| [03:55:24] | sphery: | cut out all sorts of useful stuff, then call it "power efficient", when really it's just a cut-down, power-constrained cpu |
| [03:55:56] | [R]: | ffs its difficult turning a recording into a dvd |
| [03:56:04] | [R]: | especially when doing it on a celeron laptop |
| [03:56:06] | sphery: | it's worse performance, but these same people who love the atom are people that probably said, "I'll never buy a Celeron. It's evil that Intel just turns off functionality in it." |
| [03:56:13] | sphery: | so it's the same exact idea |
| [03:56:21] | sphery: | but with a much better spin |
| [03:57:28] | sphery: | the only upside to atom is that all the sheep who bought atom systems made a market for it, which means there are systems with reasonable nvidia gpus on the mobo, in spite of the fact that nvidia is out of the x86 chipset market |
| [03:57:53] | sphery: | i.e. you can get a reasonably-priced mobo with mobile nvidia gpu |
| [03:58:31] | [R]: | speaking of reasonably priced... i wonder if my myth system has paid for itself yet... |
| [03:58:40] | sphery: | but since I can do a mobo with whatever gpu integrated and disable that gpu and stick in a discrete nvidia card, I have no need for atom |
| [03:59:25] | sphery: | if you figure $10/mo for a DVR from cable co, I'm probably just a few decades from break even--assuming no hardware failures/replacements/expansion in those decades |
| [03:59:52] | [R]: | lol |
| [03:59:52] | sphery: | $120/yr doesn't buy a lot of computer equipment (even atoms) |
| [04:00:32] | sphery: | I've only been using MythTV since 2004, so coming up on 8yrs |
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| [04:01:24] | [R]: | #$%#@%@$ |
| [04:01:31] | [R]: | thats why this transcode is taking forever |
| [04:01:36] | [R]: | its not doing what i want it to do |
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| [14:59:57] | antgel: | hi all and happy holidays |
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| [15:01:42] | antgel: | i have a question about updating channel listings. i update my parents system about once a year. it has both dvb-t and dvb-s backends. what i'd like to know is, what's the "best" way to get new channel data without knobbling all the existing, carefully-configured data? |
| [15:02:25] | antgel: | i seem to remember that doing a scan from scratch overwrites a lot of the channel configuration, although i could be wrong |
| [15:02:59] | antgel: | basically they complain that myth doesn't automatically become aware of new channels in the same way that a typical STB does |
| [15:03:08] | antgel: | any advice on best practice appreciated |
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| [16:41:21] | imahuph: | wich would be better for a myth newbie linhes or mythbuntu? |
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| [16:43:06] | sphery: | both are probably good choices, though you may find more other people using mythbuntu (so might make it easier to find people to help with issues) |
| [16:43:31] | sphery: | actually, I'd go so far as saying that those are the 2 best choices |
| [16:44:40] | sphery: | if you have any experience with debian-based systems, you'll probably be more comfortable with mythbuntu... if you have any experience with Arch, you'll probably be more comfortable with linhes |
| [16:46:10] | imahuph: | i hear alout about mythbuntu on the myth tv cast but i do use arch so i will probably run with linhes, just dont realy want to gonthrough the pain of initial install if somewone allready did the work |
| [16:47:21] | sphery: | yeah, using a mythtv-focused distro, rather than adding mythtv to the same distro yourself, is a great way of doing it--they've already reconfigured all the system things to make the most sensible configuration |
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| [16:47:51] | sphery: | there's a lot of underlying stuff that needs to be configured appropriately for mythtv to work (i.e. most problems people have are with configuring the underlying system) |
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| [17:44:43] | Hilikus: | hey guys. is there a way to play blueray discs using mythtv directly from a blueray drive? i.e. without ripping it first |
| [17:45:25] | [R]: | read the wiki |
| [17:49:46] | Hilikus: | the wiki was last modified in 2010. i don't know if it is up to date. i heard something here about this very feature working for some discs, which is not mentioned at all in the wiki which makes me believe it is just outdated |
| [17:51:08] | [R]: | of course it is mentioned in the wiki |
| [17:51:38] | Hilikus: | While it is currently impossible to place a HD-DVD disk in the drive and play it with MythTV, one can rip the files onto the hard drive and play them with the internal player. |
| [17:52:12] | [R]: | hd-dvd != bluray |
| [17:53:22] | Hilikus: | oh ok, i got confused because of this |
| [17:53:24] | Hilikus: | Blu-ray and HD-DVD are fundamentally the same creature from a linux perspective. |
| [17:53:37] | Hilikus: | but yes, there is mention about it |
| [17:53:50] | [R]: | no |
| [17:53:53] | [R]: | they are compeltely differnet |
| [17:55:27] | Hilikus: | does it make a difference the fact that my video output is HDMI? maybe that way the decoding is allowed because they know that it's a secure port? |
| [17:56:17] | [R]: | its not secure in linux |
| [17:56:30] | Hilikus: | i see |
| [17:57:05] | [R]: | the "port" isn't secure... the handling of the video data is secure |
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| [19:03:02] | antgel: | i have a question about updating channel listings. i update my parents system about once a year. it has both dvb-t and dvb-s backends. what i'd like to know is, what's the "best" way to get new channel data without knobbling all the existing, carefully-configured data? |
| [19:03:06] | antgel: | i seem to remember that doing a scan from scratch overwrites a lot of the channel configuration, although i could be wrong |
| [19:03:11] | antgel: | basically they complain that myth doesn't automatically become aware of new channels in the same way that a typical STB does |
| [19:03:14] | antgel: | any advice on best practice appreciated |
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| [20:38:57] | Hilikus: | if i have a dlna certified blue ray player, could i use mythtv as the player? |
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| [20:49:20] | [R]: | Hilikus: you mean the server? |
| [20:50:08] | Hilikus: | forget it. i am pretty sure now that the BR player will work as a DLNA player device, not server |
| [20:50:50] | ** [R] thinks someone is confused ** | |
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| [21:14:13] | kusznir: | Hi all: Got a question about mythgame. |
| [21:15:07] | kusznir: | I've got it set up so that it successfully runs nes games through fceux, but so far I haven't figured out how to exit without causing myth to crash and require rebooting my myth system. |
| [21:16:22] | [R]: | you should file a bug report if the frontend is crashing |
| [21:18:04] | kusznir: | Actually, I paid more attention here. I press F1, which causes fceux to unload the game and go to windowed mode (out of full screen), but I haven't figured out how to exit gracefully. I pressed "f2" this time, and I'm not sure what exactly happened, but I ended up at my x screen, indicating that fceux, mythfrontend, and mythwelcome all crashed. I'm not sure how that should / would have happened. |
| [21:19:11] | pyther: | Hello |
| [21:20:17] | [R]: | so sounds like you need to figure out how your non-myth software works... |
| [21:20:23] | pyther: | Something is preventing my mythbox from auto shutting down: |
| [21:20:26] | pyther: | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/525855/ |
| [21:21:06] | pyther: | It seems that this might be the culprit but I'm not sure: "adding: M2N as a client (events: 0)" |
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| [21:21:14] | pyther: | M2N is the hostname of my myth box |
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| [21:31:22] | kusznir: | Ok, a related, OT question. Myth generates sound just fine, going through my surround system via the HDMI digital out. My game emulator, also running through alsa, generates sound only via the analog output; it doesn't get routed through the hdmi or the spdif optical out of my myth...is that expected/normal? Is there audio routing stuff I can set up to fix this? |
| [21:32:36] | [R]: | is it normal that an app that you misconfigured (and has nothign to do with myth) isn't behaving the way you want? |
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| [21:46:49] | kusznir: | [R] There's no documentation or other assistance. Last time I got it working years ago with help from others on this channel, as I only ever use it with myth. Some of the settings needed (and not documented) are explicit for making it work with myth cleanly. |
| [21:47:31] | [R]: | configuring <random app> for audio has nothing to do with myth |
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| [22:40:29] | antgel: | just upgraded my 0.24-fixes after 7 months. all was working fine before. had a schedule set to record for 9pm tonight. nothing in either of my backend logs to say that it started recording. how can i debug this? i want to be able to rely on myth to record what it is supposed to? |
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| [22:50:01] | tank-man: | is it 9pm yet? |
| [22:50:25] | [R]: | it's 9pm somewhere... |
| [22:50:40] | tank-man: | antgel, is it 9pm yet for you? |
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| [23:07:48] | pyther: | What does this mean? "MainServer::ANN Monitor", I think it is preventing my mythbox from shutting down |
| [23:11:42] | antgel: | tank-man, [R]: it was 9pm here of course, some people use myth tv in the uk. it's now 23:11 FWIW. but what does that have to do with the fact that my program didn't record? |
| [23:12:06] | [R]: | are you sure you had a valid recording rule for it? |
| [23:12:38] | pyther: | This ann monitor is restarting the idle: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/525901/ |
| [23:13:37] | [R]: | that si probably mythshutdown connecting to the backend |
| [23:13:46] | [R]: | are you sure your scripts and db settings are all correct? |
| [23:13:57] | antgel: | [R]: yeah, it was in the list, i'm pretty sure. but of course i can't check now as i don't have a time machine |
| [23:14:07] | [R]: | well "im pretty sure" isn't a yes |
| [23:14:18] | [R]: | so not much can be done at this point if you are'nt sure you had a valid rule |
| [23:14:43] | [R]: | i suppose you could set your time back |
| [23:14:44] | [R]: | and see |
| [23:15:24] | [R]: | and you had a rule for "channel @ time"... cuz you shoud'nt be making rules liek taht |
| [23:15:40] | [R]: | that should have a ? in it |
| [23:15:57] | antgel: | no, the rule was "record this showing only" |
| [23:16:22] | antgel: | anyway i've set it to record a few random things overnight and we'll see what happens |
| [23:16:35] | [R]: | and they are listed in the upcoming list? |
| [23:16:43] | antgel: | [R]: yep |
| [23:16:56] | antgel: | so i'm hopeful it was just a weird glitch |
| [23:17:24] | antgel: | "hopeful" |
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| [23:17:58] | antgel: | but i agree "record in this timeslot" is a silly rule. my mum uses it. *sigh* |
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| [23:21:36] | antgel: | as there are people active now, any chance of help with my question ^^^? basically is there an easy way to add dvb channels without doing a full rescan of my dvb-t and dvb-s transports and reconciling the channel numbers again? |
| [23:21:48] | antgel: | does a channel rescan trample over existing channel data? |
| [23:22:00] | [R]: | i think it awsks what yo uto do |
| [23:22:04] | [R]: | asks you what to do* |
| [23:24:12] | antgel: | ah, in for a penny, in for a pound... |
| [23:24:38] | antgel: | so the supported way to add new channels from the last x months is to do a rescan? |
| [23:25:09] | [R]: | i can't think of any "unsupported" way... |
| [23:26:46] | antgel: | so i do a channel rescan, then reconfigure my grabber to add new channels, then put the xmlid in the channel list and make sure dup channels across dvb-s and dvb-t have the smae channel numbers? |
| [23:30:06] | antgel: | i don't understand this, i maintain my parents' mythboxes every year or so, how do they get in this state? in mythweb settings channel info screen i have lots of channels with full info including xmltvid, but no channel number. weird and freaky |
| [23:30:18] | antgel: | i'll do a rescan and see what happens |
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| [23:45:35] | tank-man: | i asked cause "9pm tonight" could mean past or future tense |
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