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| [00:48:39] | sphery: | Wow, now that is truly amazing. At the /exact/ (to the millisecond) same time that monochromec was experiencing issues using XBMC to play back recordings (which he reported in the invalid ticket #10202 with log at http://pastebin.com/8hxVKBbR ), c.zimmermann was receiving identical error messages /without/ using XBMC, that he ended up reporting in ticket #10205. |
| [00:49:27] | sphery: | I would never have believed it possible if I hadn't seen it myself. Never have I heard such a chorus of zebra hoofbeats. |
| [00:49:28] | LTHorn: | info on usb it receiver compatible with lirc? |
| [00:49:52] | sphery: | LTHorn: lirc.org probably has best info of what's compatible |
| [00:50:33] | sphery: | if you want to know what's commonly used, many have MCE USB remotes |
| [00:50:33] | LTHorn: | OK. |
| [00:51:22] | sphery: | wagnerrp: so, you gotta respect his commitment for changing his e-mail address, even, on the ticket (see above ^^^) |
| [00:51:36] | LTHorn: | anyone use the rii mini wireless keyboard? |
| [00:53:26] | wagnerrp: | wait, he lodged a complaint about audio output using xbmc? |
| [00:55:46] | sphery: | hehe |
| [00:55:46] | wagnerrp: | sphery: how do you know its the same person? |
| [00:56:02] | wagnerrp: | _i_ know its the same person after being told to look into it, but how do _you_ know? |
| [00:56:23] | sphery: | you mean how did I know to look at logs to verify? |
| [00:56:33] | iamlindoro: | I gave the same guy the same treatment without knowing it was the same guy, what do I win? |
| [00:56:44] | sphery: | it just sounded like the same same style of complaint |
| [00:56:54] | sphery: | meaning writing style |
| [00:56:58] | ** iamlindoro applauds his own consistency of triage ** | |
| [00:57:08] | wagnerrp: | oh, you did look at the spam logs? |
| [00:57:19] | sphery: | no, I looked at the mythbackend logs |
| [00:57:35] | iamlindoro: | But of course, it couldn't possibly be because a third party frontend fakes the proto |
| [00:57:39] | iamlindoro: | that would be absurd |
| [00:57:51] | sphery: | http://pastebin.com/8hxVKBbR (liked from http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10202 ) and the one in summary at http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10205 |
| [00:57:56] | sphery: | er, linked |
| [00:58:07] | wagnerrp: | ah, gotcha |
| [00:58:08] | ** iamlindoro "likes" sphery, and posts him on his wall ** | |
| [00:58:19] | sphery: | oh, what's poking me? |
| [00:58:20] | wagnerrp: | just curious |
| [00:58:33] | sphery: | it just felt "familiar" when I saw 205 |
| [00:58:44] | iamlindoro: | priority: major |
| [00:58:48] | wagnerrp: | spam logs say same IP address, different machine (one XP, one OSX 10.7) |
| [00:59:03] | sphery: | wow, not /that/ is dedication |
| [00:59:10] | sphery: | even changed OS families |
| [00:59:15] | wagnerrp: | what is this 'satellite audio stream'? |
| [00:59:22] | wagnerrp: | DVB-S radio? |
| [00:59:31] | sphery: | this guy must be running a Witness Relocation Program somwhere |
| [00:59:32] | iamlindoro: | probably |
| [00:59:41] | iamlindoro: | sphery: running it poorly, apparently |
| [00:59:46] | iamlindoro: | all his clients must be dead |
| [00:59:56] | sphery: | I'll say, "Hello, Mr. Thompson," and stomp on your foot... |
| [01:00:28] | wagnerrp: | for what its worth, typepad said he was a spammer |
| [01:00:31] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [01:00:36] | sphery: | hehe |
| [01:00:52] | wagnerrp: | http://code.mythtv.org/trac/admin/spamfilter/monitor/66994 |
| [01:01:06] | wagnerrp: | (i expect you need to be logged in for that link) |
| [01:01:09] | iamlindoro: | Naught SpamBayes |
| [01:01:12] | iamlindoro: | Naughty |
| [01:01:17] | sphery: | I do think iamlindoro is right... Needs to start on -users... where he can find that audio-only streams aren't well supported in 0.24, but have been improved in unstable |
| [01:01:38] | sphery: | and, besides, there's absolutely nothing that helps us to reproduce the issue |
| [01:01:40] | iamlindoro: | And that we don't support issues which occur with third party frontends only |
| [01:01:41] | wagnerrp: | besides, its not the backend's doing |
| [01:01:43] | sphery: | "start playback" doesn't cause it for me |
| [01:01:56] | wagnerrp: | according to those logs, the backend is correctly responding to an arbitrary disconnect by a client |
| [01:02:20] | iamlindoro: | Now I'll grant you, we should support issues caused when using Services... but not when implementing your own proto and faking the version |
| [01:04:32] | sphery: | agreed |
| [01:04:46] | sphery: | and, yeah, wagnerrp, it looks the same to me |
| [01:05:40] | sphery: | So, I finally spent some time figuring out exactly which MythNetvision sites are unusable on my system. It's the ones where we link directly to the SWF--like YouTube--versus linking to an HTML page that specifies a player. |
| [01:06:30] | sphery: | I have a feeling it's due to my webkit version (and think that when I switched to Qt4.7, it started using the ancient one that's in my system libs instead of the one packaged with Qt--since part of the 4.7 push was to use external webkit) |
| [01:06:37] | wagnerrp: | thats not exactly what we do |
| [01:06:53] | wagnerrp: | i thought we linked to our own local html page, proxied through from the grabber script |
| [01:07:12] | sphery: | well, the link returned by the grabber is to a SWF |
| [01:07:17] | sphery: | versus to an HTML |
| [01:07:45] | sphery: | not sure how it's implemented in MNV, but all of them that go to Content-Type: application/x-shockwave-flash fail |
| [01:09:02] | sphery: | the worst part is there are no error messages at all from Qt or Phonon or ... Just a blank, gray page with a white line about 25% the width of the page and a few pixels high showing |
| [01:11:10] | sphery: | anyway, I'm hoping that a new webkit will fix it |
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| [02:13:57] | wagnerrp: | so how is it that android got Straight Talk so soon after apple got Siri? |
| [02:14:25] | wagnerrp: | unless that was something both have been developing for years, and Apple just made it a primary feature first |
| [02:14:38] | wagnerrp: | (i know Siri has been available for a couple years as an addon) |
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| [02:18:33] | LTHorn: | Asus gt520–1gd3-csm geforce gt 520 thoughts? |
| [02:19:06] | wagnerrp: | such as? |
| [02:19:37] | LTHorn: | Iive never used a fanless gpu before. how much worse is it than a normal 520 |
| [02:19:50] | wagnerrp: | should be identical to a normal 520 |
| [02:20:04] | wagnerrp: | but note that the fanless heatsink is double height... takes too slots |
| [02:20:16] | wagnerrp: | two |
| [02:20:30] | LTHorn: | I'm thinking of using it in a fronted box.. it's low profile so it would fit in the smaller htpc cases |
| [02:20:56] | LTHorn: | Yeah.. I noticed that point |
| [02:23:00] | LTHorn: | I just can't see how it would perform just as well as a full sized card of the same type |
| [02:23:06] | wagnerrp: | why not? |
| [02:24:29] | LTHorn: | because why would anyone buy a full sized noisy card when they can get this for less than1/3 the cost |
| [02:24:46] | wagnerrp: | what do you mean by 'full size card' |
| [02:25:16] | wagnerrp: | i was under the impression you were comparing a low-profile fanless GT520 to a full-size GT520 with a fan |
| [02:25:31] | wagnerrp: | a GT520 is a GT520 |
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| [02:25:46] | wagnerrp: | some might be overclocked, some might have more or less RAM, but theyre all basically the same |
| [02:25:48] | LTHorn: | ... one that's full sized? height width full dual slot heatsink and fan |
| [02:27:00] | wagnerrp: | technically, a 'full size' card refers to one thats a foot long, and clips onto a support frame on the front of the case |
| [02:27:28] | wagnerrp: | you're not going to find those outside of high end RAID cards, and Quadro/Tesla cards |
| [02:27:29] | LTHorn: | yes that's what I? I talink about |
| [02:27:48] | LTHorn: | OK not sure I'm not |
| [02:27:48] | wagnerrp: | ive never seen a 'full sized' consumer grade graphics card |
| [02:28:24] | wagnerrp: | well... what would you need that kind of power for? |
| [02:28:51] | wagnerrp: | video decoding is done on a dedicated ASIC |
| [02:29:03] | wagnerrp: | deinterlacing is done on the shader hardware, but a 520 should be barely powerful enough for 1080i60 with any of the available filters |
| [02:29:15] | wagnerrp: | its easily plenty enough for mythtv's opengl video renderer |
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| [02:36:40] | LTHorn: | barely powerful enough? |
| [02:37:33] | wagnerrp: | the Advanced (spatio-temporal) 2X filter eats a lot of power |
| [02:37:38] | wagnerrp: | a GT210 cant handle it, a GT220 can |
| [02:37:52] | wagnerrp: | a 520 _should_ have enough, but dont quote me on that |
| [02:40:44] | sphery: | don't worry, bash.org wouldn't accept my post |
| [02:40:59] | wagnerrp: | ? |
| [02:41:11] | sphery: | I was trying to quote you on qdb |
| [02:41:20] | wagnerrp: | for what? |
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| [02:41:34] | sphery: | "but dont quote me on that" |
| [02:41:34] | sphery: | nvm |
| [02:41:38] | sphery: | bad joke |
| [02:47:29] | wagnerrp: | so NCIS:LA is using some real technical stuff... and using it properly |
| [02:47:41] | wagnerrp: | but they got the origin dates wrong |
| [02:49:44] | sphery: | cool |
| [02:49:47] | sphery: | they do ok, sometimes |
| [02:49:55] | sphery: | other times, not so much |
| [02:50:08] | wagnerrp: | theyre talking about someone setting up an EMP, claiming it was discovered in nuclear testing in the 60s, and some new device could make it non-nuclear large enough to encompass a largish building |
| [02:50:58] | wagnerrp: | except it was theorized before the first test in the early 40s, and the device in question was developed in the 50s |
| [02:51:03] | wagnerrp: | whoops |
| [02:51:04] | sphery: | like Leon's guest appearance, where he mentioned keeping his (classified!) files on MS SkyDrive so they're always available, then asking if Nell (the computer tech) had keystroke "recognition" software installed before typing in his password (rather than keystroke /logging/ software) |
| [02:51:45] | sphery: | hehe |
| [02:51:54] | sphery: | not bad, though |
| [02:52:09] | sphery: | they probably got their dates from wikipedia--just after someone broke them :) |
| [02:52:36] | sphery: | actually, though, I'm going to go change the dates in wikipedia and cite this episode of NCIS: LA as a source |
| [02:52:56] | sphery: | http://xkcd.com/978/ |
| [02:53:19] | wagnerrp: | "that thing is huge".. no it aint |
| [02:54:07] | wagnerrp: | the thing theyre talking about might weigh 100lbs |
| [02:54:48] | wagnerrp: | nearly all of which would be the modest capacitor bank feeding the inital charge |
| [02:54:52] | sphery: | not bad for a building-sized EMP |
| [02:55:09] | sphery: | (EMP generator able to take out a building, that is) |
| [02:55:35] | wagnerrp: | you act as if its that difficult to build an EMP |
| [02:56:21] | sphery: | not difficult... just requires quite a bit of charge to create a pulse that propagates far at a strong enough level |
| [02:57:22] | sphery: | I mean, I know that the alternate universe can make them nice and portable, but haven't seen any in this universe |
| [02:57:27] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt need that much charge |
| [02:57:34] | sphery: | (though I hear both universes are working together in this season) |
| [02:57:34] | wagnerrp: | you just need to compress the delivery of that charge |
| [02:58:27] | wagnerrp: | more or less |
| [02:59:07] | wagnerrp: | basically, the problem isnt producing the pulse... thats easy |
| [02:59:11] | wagnerrp: | the problem is transmitting the pulse |
| [02:59:26] | sphery: | right... lots of losses |
| [02:59:39] | wagnerrp: | and a compact amplifier and waveguide for GW of energy is rather difficult |
| [02:59:48] | wagnerrp: | s/energy/power/ |
| [02:59:49] | wagnerrp: | whoops |
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| [04:17:22] | jjbosd: | hello |
| [04:18:13] | sphery: | hello |
| [04:18:41] | wagnerrp: | stupid python |
| [04:18:46] | wagnerrp: | do as i want and not as i say |
| [04:19:07] | sphery: | the secret is to use more semicolons! |
| [04:20:45] | ** iamlindoro is being the ticket nazi today ** | |
| [04:21:12] | iamlindoro: | But we have soooooo many tickets, we can't just sit around and let people open what are obviously -users threads disguised as tickets any more |
| [04:22:24] | sphery: | I like the "close it unless we have enough information to actually pursue a bug" approach (the "innocent until proven guilty" approach) |
| [04:22:36] | sphery: | because, yeah, we have too many open tickets languishing |
| [04:23:14] | iamlindoro: | like, "every time I try to play a video it just times out waiting for buffers" |
| [04:23:22] | iamlindoro: | well, that's because there's no data coming in |
| [04:23:31] | iamlindoro: | which is a misconfig or connectivity issue in 99% of cases |
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| [04:23:44] | iamlindoro: | and we shouldn't have to be the personal support squad when we have a list for that |
| [04:23:46] | sphery: | so that means you could just misconfigure yours then fix it, right? |
| [04:23:54] | iamlindoro: | but of course |
| [04:24:30] | sphery: | Fix broken configurations. This change makes MythTV work regardless of configuration specified by user. |
| [04:25:00] | sphery: | oooh, now it should work on /any/ system... time to get out my pogoplug |
| [04:26:12] | iamlindoro: | Requirements: All backends must be the same IP as mine |
| [04:26:17] | iamlindoro: | all users must user the same DB password I do |
| [04:26:24] | sphery: | hehe |
| [04:26:24] | iamlindoro: | all users must have exactly one remote FE |
| [04:26:42] | sphery: | which capture devices do I need to get, now? |
| [04:26:52] | iamlindoro: | an HDHomeRun Prime and an Hd-PVR |
| [04:26:56] | iamlindoro: | sorry, eurosnobs |
| [04:27:01] | sphery: | and I suppose I'll have to string a Comcast cable connection from CA to FL, right? |
| [04:27:11] | ** sphery goes to price out some RG-6U ** | |
| [04:27:14] | iamlindoro: | pretty much |
| [04:27:32] | iamlindoro: | because now the app only supports one SchedulesDirect lineup |
| [04:30:23] | sphery: | seems that the coax cable is going to be expensive |
| [04:30:34] | sphery: | which is wrong because this is an open source project, so it should all be free |
| [04:31:29] | iamlindoro: | We'll let every user on the way tap off of it |
| [04:31:32] | iamlindoro: | for paypal donations |
| [04:31:41] | iamlindoro: | because cable wants to be free |
| [04:31:45] | sphery: | hehe |
| [04:32:39] | sphery: | we'll call it mc2all (mythtv comcast 2 all) |
| [04:35:36] | iamlindoro: | Added a pfsense server for some public WAPs a few months ago, they require all tickets start as forum threads |
| [04:35:36] | iamlindoro: | and an explicit invite to open a ticket |
| [04:36:00] | iamlindoro: | And now that I look at this guys' log a little more, I'll bet good money he's got an invalid audio config |
| [04:36:09] | iamlindoro: | he's not getting video packets because he can't write out any audio |
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| [04:44:43] | sphery: | yeah, definitely looks like that may be the problem |
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| [05:41:15] | wagnerrp: | youre on FIOS, meaning you use FIOS for TV? |
| [05:41:41] | JoeyJoeJo: | No, I don't subscribe to any TV service. I've got an OTA antenna hooked up to my TV at the moment |
| [05:42:00] | wagnerrp: | well even worse |
| [05:42:10] | wagnerrp: | the HDPVR is only for analog capture |
| [05:42:21] | wagnerrp: | meaning recording off a cable or satellite STB |
| [05:42:23] | JoeyJoeJo: | That's ironic |
| [05:42:47] | wagnerrp: | for anything digital (like broadcast digital), you use a digital tuner, and mythtv merely copies the broadcast straight to disk |
| [05:43:00] | wagnerrp: | it does no modifications to the stream besides the tuners own pid filters |
| [05:43:14] | wagnerrp: | so you get the MPEG2 video as it comes from the broadcaster |
| [05:43:28] | JoeyJoeJo: | That sucks |
| [05:43:32] | wagnerrp: | why? |
| [05:43:46] | JoeyJoeJo: | I have an intel atom based machine that I'm using with XBMC right now |
| [05:43:47] | wagnerrp: | thats ideal |
| [05:43:52] | wagnerrp: | so? |
| [05:44:11] | JoeyJoeJo: | It's got hardware 264 decoding, but I don't think it'll handle such large MPEG2 files |
| [05:44:24] | wagnerrp: | an Atom is equally awful for HD MPEG2 and H264 |
| [05:44:34] | wagnerrp: | not enough power to do either in software |
| [05:44:44] | wagnerrp: | what do you get hardware decoding through? |
| [05:44:50] | JoeyJoeJo: | Mine has a Nvidia ION as well |
| [05:45:02] | wagnerrp: | VDPAU handles broadcast HD MPEG2 just fine |
| [05:46:25] | JoeyJoeJo: | So maybe I'll get a Hauppage card that will let me record from my antenna |
| [05:47:10] | JoeyJoeJo: | Thanks for your help |
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| [07:48:56] | justinh: | so I gave that mythdroid another go... it's no API-based app, that's for sure |
| [07:49:12] | justinh: | needs to be able to do more, and be less.... REMOTE-like |
| [07:49:29] | justinh: | and be able to play video itself |
| [07:50:00] | justinh: | at first I liked the idea of it being able to show the EPG & schedule recordings etc but it just doesn't load enough timeslots |
| [07:50:49] | justinh: | as for the remote parts.. pfft. Yeah, waste all my tablet screen with SIX buttons! |
| [07:52:04] | wagnerrp: | i thought it could play video |
| [07:52:04] | justinh: | iamlindoro: compared to mythdroid, you totally nailed what a tablety mythtv app should be all about, API or not. this thing doesn't know whether it's just a dumb remote or a remote display |
| [07:52:23] | justinh: | yeah it can *instigate* video playback, sure |
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| [07:52:53] | wagnerrp: | i mean, i thought it could play content locally |
| [07:53:10] | justinh: | ah I've not installed MDD & all that shiz yet |
| [07:54:13] | justinh: | it doesn't look *too* bad though. certainly not the screechfest in the project's screenshots. Jesus |
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| [09:00:15] | MrFluffy: | Hi all, trying to build mythfrontend on gentoo, and I am getting this error right at the end of the make, then it calls die() and fails :- Aborting due to QA concerns: 5 files installed in /var/tmp/portage/media-tv/mythtv-0.24_p20110101/image///var/tmp/portage/media-tv /mythtv-0.24_p20110101/image/ |
| [09:00:38] | MrFluffy: | The specific line is * die "Aborting due to QA concerns: ${INSTALLTOD} files installed in ${D}/${D}" |
| [09:01:19] | wagnerrp: | id try using a newer ebuild |
| [09:01:37] | wagnerrp: | that ones nearly a year old |
| [09:01:42] | MrFluffy: | Ive ran layman -S just before, its from Dr Scream's repo |
| [09:01:53] | wagnerrp: | cant help you then |
| [09:01:59] | wagnerrp: | dont know anything about that |
| [09:02:13] | MrFluffy: | its a meta repo for the mythtv one on git afaik |
| [09:02:32] | wagnerrp: | got a link? |
| [09:02:39] | MrFluffy: | it builds on one of my frontends, which are all supposed to be identical :( |
| [09:03:19] | MrFluffy: | its https://github.com/drscream/mythtv-gentoo/ |
| [09:04:06] | MrFluffy: | I wondered if they changed a flag in portage or something, so I tried it with FEATURES="-stricter" in /etc/make.conf but its still calling die |
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| [09:07:46] | ** MrFluffy cheated and typed make install from the portage build dir, and it works... but then cant merge mythvideo etc in because portage doesnt know ** | |
| [09:08:10] | wagnerrp: | '--enable-xvmc-opengl'... WTF is that??? |
| [09:08:51] | MrFluffy: | opengl vsync feature... |
| [09:09:02] | MrFluffy: | but it does build, it just fails at the make stage |
| [09:09:05] | MrFluffy: | make install sorry |
| [09:09:05] | wagnerrp: | bleh... |
| [09:09:43] | MrFluffy: | should I be using the myth gentoo repo directly? |
| [09:09:56] | MrFluffy: | I have no philosphical objections to doing it the right way if that is |
| [09:11:01] | wagnerrp: | well he came up with some patch we dont have, replacing a bunch of 'DELETE' queries with 'DELETE QUICK' ones |
| [09:11:06] | wagnerrp: | no idea what effect that will have |
| [09:11:16] | wagnerrp: | and he fidgeted with the use flags |
| [09:11:28] | wagnerrp: | besides that, i dont see anything significantly different |
| [09:13:38] | MrFluffy: | it may be them, the error message mentions it in INSTALLTOD |
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| [09:17:02] | MrFluffy: | I used that because I read that it was a meta package as "layman or git doesn't allow subfolders as overlays" |
| [09:17:43] | MrFluffy: | I cant get my head round why it works on one box and not the others, I should just dd the hard disk images onto them all from it |
| [09:17:59] | wagnerrp: | yeah, we stalled a while back about getting out ebuilds into layman for that reason |
| [09:18:14] | MrFluffy: | so is that resolved now? |
| [09:18:45] | wagnerrp: | no, we stalled a while back |
| [09:19:50] | wagnerrp: | i really need to clean up the tabbing in these things |
| [09:20:01] | wagnerrp: | ive got vim configured to 4-space soft tabbing |
| [09:20:13] | wagnerrp: | and it just produces something horrendous when you have mixed |
| [09:20:55] | MrFluffy: | I looked through the install script in portage and theres some comments about how a warning about code errors would become a die in future, I just figured they switched it on |
| [09:21:04] | MrFluffy: | maybe after I emerged the first front end in |
| [09:22:35] | wagnerrp: | oh |
| [09:22:55] | wagnerrp: | https://github.com/MythTV/packaging/commit/658b65fe8b18 |
| [09:23:08] | wagnerrp: | i knew that had happened previously in our branch |
| [09:23:19] | wagnerrp: | but i didnt recall what happened to fix it |
| [09:23:29] | wagnerrp: | so there... id try using a newer ebuild |
| [09:23:57] | ** wagnerrp goes to bed ** | |
| [09:24:12] | MrFluffy: | ill give it a go, thanks for your help |
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| [10:19:51] | MrPaco: | maybe its a good idea to install a ssd disk for main to mythtv? |
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| [10:58:51] | justinh: | maybe you don't need to :-) |
| [10:59:12] | justinh: | maybe cash is short. maybe time is precious |
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| [11:06:06] | MrFluffy: | I dont think you need to for performance reasons for the majority of cases... |
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| [11:12:15] | justinh: | of COURSE you need to. You're not LEET otherwise! |
| [11:12:34] | justinh: | which is why everybody cranking SSDs runs gentoo |
| [11:15:45] | MrFluffy: | I think the only argument that holds weight for me on ssd's is the noise reduction, but my gentoo myth backend server is in the rack in a outbuilding so I don't care, and all my frontends are fanless netops that are whisper quiet anyway :) |
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| [11:16:26] | MrFluffy: | I do have two physical drives to seperate out operating system etc, and storage though, as recommended in the docs |
| [11:17:06] | MrFluffy: | but, theres 6 inputs, four of them dvb tuners, so I might have a wee bit more throughput than the average install at times |
| [11:18:51] | MrFluffy: | Im a bit old to shoot for LEET nowadays though :D |
| [11:25:19] | MrPaco: | is too expensive the ssd disks |
| [11:25:21] | MrPaco: | no way |
| [11:28:28] | MrFluffy: | I dont believe you need them ;) |
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| [11:37:23] | justinh: | pfft. I have 3 physical dvb-t tuners, each set to allow 5 recordings apiece |
| [11:38:34] | justinh: | I need an SSD in my system like a fish needs a bicycle |
| [11:40:13] | MrFluffy: | heh Ive turned my 4 physicals down to a single channel each to work around the other frontends getting the same tuner and not being able to retune to channels not on that multiplex issue... |
| [11:40:43] | MrFluffy: | I need a easier life from my wife when she triggers the problem more than I need 20 simultaneous channels :) |
| [11:44:38] | justinh: | just make live tv unavailable |
| [11:45:01] | justinh: | "listen wife, just sit down & read the guide, then schedule things you might quite like to watch" |
| [11:45:27] | MrFluffy: | Your not married are you :) |
| [11:45:32] | justinh: | if all you're going to do is zap, then it's simple. No PVR functionality |
| [11:45:35] | justinh: | yes |
| [11:45:44] | justinh: | removed livetv from the main mneu |
| [11:46:03] | justinh: | if she wants to watch live tv she has to switch the TV to the cable box |
| [11:46:09] | MrFluffy: | we have no off the air facility in the house at all... |
| [11:46:22] | justinh: | so reprogram the wife :-) |
| [11:46:31] | justinh: | or do away with mythtv :-) |
| [11:46:37] | MrFluffy: | we live in a non english speaking country, and being english watch english tv off the single sat feed |
| [11:46:49] | MrFluffy: | Ill go with turning the channels down as a workaround :) |
| [11:46:57] | justinh: | mythtv is as unsuited to livetv as most wives are to watching quality programming |
| [11:47:14] | MrFluffy: | it works fine for me and her |
| [11:47:23] | justinh: | it's awful IMHO :) |
| [11:47:27] | justinh: | way too laggy |
| [11:48:00] | MrFluffy: | dinnertime is here, but its not bad, just slow to change dvb stream while the locks drop in... |
| [11:48:26] | justinh: | it's awful here |
| [11:48:28] | justinh: | like 10s+ |
| [11:54:38] | MrPaco: | i like livetv for news |
| [11:54:51] | MrPaco: | the other programs i watched from recordings and my childrens too |
| [11:56:22] | justinh: | just schedule news as a recording too |
| [11:57:18] | justinh: | I've been dying to see the back of live tv since I was 7 years old when a show called Tomorrow's World had a demo of on-demand cable tv |
| [11:57:35] | justinh: | that was 31 years ago |
| [11:58:58] | justinh: | our cable service's 'on demand' is *almost* there. If it didn't suck quite so much. It's hardly instant – and STBs need more than a 200MHz MIPS |
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| [12:08:59] | MrPaco: | ahaha |
| [12:14:49] | MrFluffy: | I was working somewhere once, and the project I was on finished and they invited me to go work on the stb software for epg etc they were developing, I said I'd consider it, then they showed me the codebase, and it was a spaghetti mess of xml and perl and ruby etc, so I walked instead :) |
| [12:15:06] | MrFluffy: | "can you sort this out?" er... no |
| [12:16:09] | MrFluffy: | 10 years later that is probably the software on your cable stb if your in the uk :) |
| [12:17:33] | MrFluffy: | and the sky sat firmware isnt much better from the amount of OTA updates and lockups etc which are part of life with it. |
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| [12:19:24] | MrFluffy: | wagnerrp: when you wake up, I switched to the ebuilds you said about, and it built cleanly at 0.24, so thanks for that |
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| [15:40:13] | MadWoodworker__: | I have just set up my mythtv installation. I am looking for a way to adjust the quality of video capture. All I can find so far is information that appears to be out of date. |
| [15:40:31] | MadWoodworker__: | How do I adjust the recording quality? |
| [15:41:37] | sphery: | if you're actually doing encoding, you change it using the Recording Profiles |
| [15:41:53] | sphery: | if you're doing digital capture, you can't change it (you get whatever the broadcaster/re-broadcaster sends) |
| [15:42:14] | MadWoodworker__: | Okay, so mythtv doesn't compress it before writing to disk? |
| [15:42:41] | iamlindoro: | As sphery mentioned, it depends entirely on how you are receiving your content |
| [15:42:52] | iamlindoro: | If digital, then no, nothing is changed before writing to the disk |
| [15:42:52] | MadWoodworker__: | HDHomeRun3 |
| [15:43:00] | sphery: | then you get what they send |
| [15:43:07] | iamlindoro: | So you have no way of changing it |
| [15:43:30] | MrFluffy: | why are you adjusting picture quality, as a aside? |
| [15:43:31] | sphery: | if you want to transcode after the fact, you can, but it's a huge waste of processing/electricity and can only give you lower quality than you started with (not higher) |
| [15:43:54] | MadWoodworker__: | Cool. Now, I want to view it using a WD TV Live. The WDTV recognizes the mythtv streaming service and all works as expected, but where do I make adjustments like commercial skip? Is mythfrontend providing the streaming service? |
| [15:44:18] | iamlindoro: | You can't commercial skip via uPnP |
| [15:44:24] | sphery: | only good reason to transcode is to change the recording to a format that plays on some constrained device (i.e. when you want to watch on your 3" iPhone screen rather than your 46" HDTV) |
| [15:44:27] | iamlindoro: | IF you want Myth features, you need to use Myth frontend. |
| [15:44:36] | MrFluffy: | I switched from vga into the tv, to a DVI->hdmi cable on my frontends making no software changes, and the quality difference is amazing. Some tv's with vga input aren't so good at it. |
| [15:45:41] | MadWoodworker__: | Okay, I understand. So are there any configuration settings at all for uPnP streaming? |
| [15:46:03] | iamlindoro: | No |
| [15:46:30] | MadWoodworker__: | Thanks all. |
| [15:46:36] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [15:47:27] | MrFluffy: | its a restriction of the protocol rather than myth itself isnt it? |
| [15:48:25] | iamlindoro: | uPnP doesn't restrict what you feed it-- it's just an HTTP server that feeds requested byte ranges and advertises content via multicast |
| [15:48:39] | iamlindoro: | the backend could theoretically skip ahead transparently to the user |
| [15:49:03] | iamlindoro: | but someone needs to write that code (in an committable fashion, some have tried and failed) |
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| [15:49:55] | MrFluffy: | ok, that was just for my personal understanding, I noticed my android devices can't skip in upnp playback mode too. |
| [15:50:05] | iamlindoro: | That's a limitation of your client |
| [15:50:23] | iamlindoro: | uPnP, and specifically our uPnP server, supports skipping around properly |
| [15:54:59] | MrFluffy: | ok, understood. I can never figure out why nobody has done mythfrontend for android, I guess its a question of hardware resources |
| [15:55:15] | MrFluffy: | Ive seen plenty of people comment that it would be a killer application |
| [15:55:42] | MrFluffy: | maybe its a question of what resolutions the devices support. |
| [15:56:19] | sphery: | default start early/end late are stupid settings |
| [15:56:33] | sphery: | and have just spawned a huge thread of misinformation/confusion |
| [16:00:37] | CiaranG: | MrFluffy: http://code.google.com/p/mythdroid/ |
| [16:00:51] | CiaranG: | Not quite a front end, but it can stream if you mess about with the server a bit (doesn't use the myth protocol) |
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| [16:12:05] | Peitolm: | if your stream was mpeg2, you could use a cutlist and cut the commercials out :) |
| [16:13:00] | Peitolm: | it's theoretically possible to cut h.264 with only re-coding the frames around the cut, but it's a lot more involved than mpeg2 |
| [16:15:56] | sphery: | then again, you could just use mythfrontend and gain *all* the benefits available using a player specifically crafted for the capabilities of MythTV |
| [16:17:37] | sphery: | This, btw, is why using any language other than C# or VB.NET with the .NET framework is crazy--because you want to use a language whose capabilities exactly match that of the platform (kind of like using a player whose capabilities exactly match that of the MythTV player). :) |
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| [16:28:38] | MrFluffy: | CiaranG: I already have mythmote and mythdroid on my androids to control the mythfrontends , but I'd like a full blown client |
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| [16:58:53] | MrFluffy: | I have a full blown client on my archos tablet under debian, but sadly its 10fps at the moment while I try to get the accelerated video drivers working properly |
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| [17:23:12] | quicksilver: | sphery: "default start early/end late are stupid settings" why? |
| [17:24:17] | sphery: | because they make users think they do something they don't |
| [17:24:20] | sphery: | they cause confusion |
| [17:24:35] | quicksilver: | I use them because BBC scheduling is sometimes unreliable |
| [17:24:39] | quicksilver: | especially on cbeebies |
| [17:24:39] | sphery: | and all they do is make is to that you don't have to set 2 of the 200 settings on the create new rule screens |
| [17:25:06] | sphery: | "sometimes unreliable" and yet you use the settings that say "for every new rule I create, make them start early or end late"? |
| [17:25:24] | sphery: | start early/end late are good settings (in the rule) |
| [17:25:31] | sphery: | default start early/end late are stupid |
| [17:25:45] | quicksilver: | oh I see your point. |
| [17:25:59] | quicksilver: | I guess I don't really remember which channels I've had a problem on and I set it globally |
| [17:26:03] | sphery: | this is the confusion part I was talking about :) |
| [17:26:12] | quicksilver: | I'd rather skip a few minutes of crap than miss part of a program I wanted to watch, though. |
| [17:26:19] | sphery: | do you really set default start early/end late |
| [17:26:36] | sphery: | or do you set Time to record before start of show (secs) and Time to record past end of show (secs) |
| [17:26:56] | sphery: | (those are the global settings that apply to any first-on-the-tuner or last-on-the-tuner show) |
| [17:27:18] | sphery: | default start early/end late change values which affect the scheduler |
| [17:27:54] | sphery: | (that said, Time to record before start of show (secs) and Time to record past end of show (secs) are stupid settings because they're being abused, they don't help people as much as people think, and their only real effect is as a placebo) |
| [17:27:57] | quicksilver: | oh! |
| [17:28:07] | sphery: | see, much potential for confusion on all these |
| [17:28:16] | quicksilver: | I set time to record before start / past end |
| [17:28:20] | quicksilver: | to 180 seconds each |
| [17:28:34] | sphery: | yeah, so that's another one |
| [17:29:14] | sphery: | of them, default start early/end late are the most heinous because they only cause confusion and they only serve as a way to pre-fill 2 of the many settings in a recording rule |
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| [17:29:57] | sphery: | we should either support "saved rule templates" that allow specifying any or all settings of the rule or just use standard defaults |
| [17:31:06] | sphery: | anyway, I'm just very much against these settings, especially today, as the thread on -users proves just how confused most of our users are |
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| [17:39:51] | wagnerrp: | that hoekstra guy seems to do a lot we dont like |
| [17:41:39] | sphery: | what stuff? |
| [17:42:41] | sphery: | he replied to the thread of confusion (and at least his information was mostly right--except he didn't realize the difference between the default and per-rule start early/end late, or at least didn't realize the OP was looking at the default settings and not the per-rule stuff) |
| [17:42:56] | wagnerrp: | telling people to use the soft padding, using certain 'software tools' for his subscription tv |
| [17:44:21] | sphery: | oh, you're right... he did say to use the Time to record before start/after end of show (secs) |
| [17:44:55] | wagnerrp: | we could remove that, make it a per-input configuration |
| [17:45:08] | sphery: | no way... that would be worse |
| [17:45:15] | wagnerrp: | if its many settings instead of one, it will be clumsy for users to exploit for that purpose |
| [17:45:17] | sphery: | just more confusion |
| [17:45:20] | wagnerrp: | worse why? |
| [17:45:36] | wagnerrp: | if its in mythtv setup, with all the other timeout settings, seems like it would make more sense what it is for |
| [17:45:39] | sphery: | and why in the world is after end allowing up to 30 min |
| [17:45:42] | sphery: | that's stupid |
| [17:45:47] | sphery: | we should set those to max out at 1min |
| [17:46:22] | wagnerrp: | i dont know what 'after end' does anyway in that context |
| [17:46:24] | sphery: | ok, I see what you mean |
| [17:46:28] | sphery: | I just don't like the setting at all |
| [17:46:47] | sphery: | it records extra on the last show recorded on a particular tuner |
| [17:46:59] | sphery: | (technically, a particular card) |
| [17:47:38] | wagnerrp: | but what for? if its intended to make up for slowness in a recorder, why bother? |
| [17:47:53] | sphery: | wagnerrp: ok, you've convinced me... moving it to a per-card setting would be better for keeping people from abusing it |
| [17:48:21] | sphery: | yeah, I don't see any reason to ever use the after end setting |
| [17:48:49] | sphery: | and even hdd spinup doesn't come into play on end, so... |
| [17:50:10] | sphery: | actually, I'd say the /best/ approach would be to a) remove both settings, b) change the recorder so that instead of starting 2s early, it starts 30s early for card first use and instead of ending on time, ends 30s late for card last use |
| [17:50:18] | sphery: | HDDs are cheaper than the confusion these settings cause |
| [17:51:10] | sphery: | as I don't know of any tuners that really need more than 30s of spinup |
| [17:51:14] | sphery: | (nor hdds) |
| [17:51:26] | sphery: | (but could even make it 1min early or something) |
| [17:51:53] | sphery: | point being, just choose some sane default and don't make it user configurable |
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| [17:54:08] | wagnerrp: | sounds good |
| [17:54:42] | wagnerrp: | removing it and replacing it with 30/60 could probably be done fairly quickly |
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| [17:55:16] | sphery: | yeah |
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| [17:55:37] | sphery: | and then only a week of listening to people yell about how "My TV is different from yours" |
| [17:56:05] | wagnerrp: | to which you respond "Your TV has nothing to do with anything related to recording" |
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| [18:22:19] | wagnerrp: | sphery: ive had my distfiles directory mounted for a couple weeks no, no faults |
| [18:22:30] | wagnerrp: | seems the issue was just that it couldnt handle being mounted on top of another NFS mount |
| [18:29:27] | skd5aner: | jya: does this fix the issue where you would hear bits of previous played audio during timestretch – https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/afbbb6e1d ? |
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| [18:32:09] | kj2128: | Hey everyone. I'm getting constant hard disk access from the mythtv backend. Anyone know what's up? Bad MySql settings maybe?? |
| [18:33:49] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, I had a set up with NFS file system mounted on another NFS file system on a friend MythTV box and it really didn't like it |
| [18:34:21] | sphery: | skd5aner: does for me :) |
| [18:34:39] | sphery: | (he backported it to -fixes, too) |
| [18:34:47] | skd5aner: | sweet! That was the only real noticable annoyance I've had in a long time related to playback... |
| [18:34:58] | sphery: | of course, you may be pointing to a -fixes changeset... github doesn't want me to know |
| [18:35:01] | skd5aner: | but, only used timestretch on a handful of recordings |
| [18:35:17] | skd5aner: | sphery: not yet, still master... Oct 5 |
| [18:35:18] | sphery: | I use it on 99.9992% |
| [18:35:25] | sphery: | getting closer |
| [18:35:28] | skd5aner: | will be on my fixes release notes when I get there |
| [18:35:38] | skd5aner: | I reference every change that goes into -fixes |
| [18:35:42] | sphery: | I'll start pushing a bunch of changes so you'll have something to keep you busy over the holidays |
| [18:35:57] | skd5aner: | the intent of that is is so that anyoen can see what release they're at, and every change that has happened since to that branch |
| [18:36:19] | sphery: | yeah, I really dislike that github doesn't show to which branch a changeset was applied |
| [18:36:20] | skd5aner: | you should reference it in here when people talk about running older revisions of -fixes or something |
| [18:36:35] | sphery: | I just had to get another github dig in |
| [18:36:49] | skd5aner: | then you can see specifically if the fix that's been backported is newer or older than what they're running |
| [18:37:06] | sphery: | that's cool |
| [18:37:07] | skd5aner: | yea – that's why I don't use github for any of this – I use the listserve |
| [18:37:19] | sphery: | definitely easier than github for figuring out what's in their revision |
| [18:37:26] | sphery: | since we switched I only know what's in mine |
| [18:37:28] | skd5aner: | yea – feel free to reference it extensively – makes the effort worth the while then :) |
| [18:38:22] | sphery: | so that would be the http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes_-_0.24-fixes one |
| [18:38:23] | skd5aner: | yea |
| [18:38:23] | sphery: | which shows changes in order they're applied |
| [18:38:23] | sphery: | nice |
| [18:38:23] | skd5aner: | yes – that # column is arbitrary though |
| [18:38:27] | sphery: | you really need to: /nick Trac |
| [18:38:29] | skd5aner: | it doesn't align with whatever -version spits out |
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| [18:38:49] | sphery: | right, it's number since the -fixes branch was released? |
| [18:38:50] | skd5aner: | because it contains all updates to the main branch as well as mythweb |
| [18:39:00] | skd5aner: | no – it's just a sequential number of rows |
| [18:39:00] | dekarl: | kj2128: yeah, saw it to late. |
| [18:39:19] | sphery: | ahhh, I see what you mean |
| [18:39:20] | wagnerrp: | kj2128: do you have the EIT scanner enabled by chance? |
| [18:39:26] | sphery: | forgot about multi-repos |
| [18:39:32] | skd5aner: | --version spits out the number since release, but I don't match that because the multi-repo thing |
| [18:39:33] | skd5aner: | yea |
| [18:39:37] | kj2128: | wagnerrp: not even sure what that it lol |
| [18:39:44] | kj2128: | I'm a total noob to mythtv |
| [18:39:46] | wagnerrp: | where is your guide data coming from? |
| [18:40:00] | sphery: | Yeah, I was used to http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes format, so I hadn't thought to use release notes pages as a replacement for github's weaknesses |
| [18:40:05] | kj2128: | it's just over the air |
| [18:40:11] | wagnerrp: | that would be EIT |
| [18:40:13] | skd5aner: | but, like I said – that page could be a really useful tool for you and wagnerrp and others who are constantly trying to figure out if someone is running a new-enough version of fixes to have a backported feature applied or not |
| [18:40:13] | sphery: | I love that you have the -fixes format one |
| [18:40:42] | skd5aner: | heh – wish I would have familiarized it with you much sooner then – I assumed you knew :) |
| [18:40:59] | sphery: | I'll admit I should have known |
| [18:41:03] | wagnerrp: | kj2128: best option, go through the channel editor to disable it, and sign up for schedules direct |
| [18:41:09] | kj2128: | wagnerp: okay so that's EIT. Do you think I shoudl turn it off and see what happens? |
| [18:41:23] | sphery: | but at least this way--after living without a feature I really got used to for a /long/ time--I'll appreciate it even more |
| [18:41:31] | skd5aner: | heh |
| [18:41:34] | wagnerrp: | the stuff you get over EIT in the states generally isnt worth using anyway |
| [18:41:47] | sphery: | +1 on Schedules Direct |
| [18:41:54] | skd5aner: | well – if I didn't do the -fixes release notes, it would take significately less time |
| [18:41:59] | sphery: | $25/yr to get the same listings data TiVo users pay $15/mo to get |
| [18:42:15] | wagnerrp: | and windows users pay $200 up front for |
| [18:42:19] | sphery: | and having 2 weeks of high-quality data that allow duplicate matching and ... |
| [18:42:20] | skd5aner: | since I count everything that goes there where I kind of pick and chose what to put in the MASTER release notes |
| [18:42:33] | wagnerrp: | (every couple years when they upgrade) |
| [18:44:13] | kj2128: | wagnerp: why would EIT be causing that, just curious? |
| [18:44:47] | kj2128: | wegnerp: it is writing data to disk? But why doesn't it ever stop? |
| [18:44:49] | wagnerrp: | because its constantly scanning through your channels, pulling new data from them |
| [18:45:03] | wagnerrp: | its writing logs, its writing to the database |
| [18:45:33] | sphery: | skd5aner: yeah... I like having the -fixes one that way, and it seems there's no master analog--but we don't need one because if any user is running master and has a problem, the /first/ thing they do should be to upgrade to current top-of-tree |
| [18:46:05] | skd5aner: | well – users should never really be running master... if they are, then they can see every change they want to a variety of different ways |
| [18:46:16] | sphery: | (and if they're in here looking for help, the first thing I'll do is tell them to upgrade to current) |
| [18:46:25] | sphery: | agreed |
| [18:46:30] | sphery: | but a lot seem to run master, anyway |
| [18:46:31] | skd5aner: | whereas, users (and packagers) are using -fixes, and would want to know exactly when something is added, what it was, and why |
| [18:46:38] | sphery: | and then wonder why it's so unstable |
| [18:46:45] | sphery: | and become upset when things change |
| [18:46:55] | sphery: | and file tickets for works in progress |
| [18:46:56] | skd5aner: | nothing goes into -fixes unless it needs to go there for a reason |
| [18:46:56] | sphery: | :) |
| [18:47:00] | skd5aner: | stuff goes into master all the time |
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| [19:21:42] | Muzer: | is it just my setup, or does MythTV not have very good support for radio stations? |
| [19:21:53] | Muzer: | (Quitting much of the time with "Video buffering failed too many times") |
| [19:22:09] | kormoc: | We don't' really support radio at all |
| [19:23:03] | Muzer: | OK, that explains it |
| [19:23:08] | Muzer: | I was just making sure it wasn't my setup failing. |
| [19:23:15] | sphery: | 0.25 will be better, but there are still many problems with it |
| [19:23:20] | Muzer: | (it does work much better on recording, actually, but not with Live TV) |
| [19:23:29] | Muzer: | (I've never had an issue with recording radio, which I used to do a lot) |
| [19:23:30] | sphery: | (assuming you're talking about "dvb radio" stations--i.e. audio only "tv" stations) |
| [19:23:39] | Muzer: | indeed |
| [19:23:53] | Muzer: | well, dunno about other countries, but pretty commonly available at least (don't know if they're commonly used) here in the UK |
| [19:25:45] | sphery: | I've decided that FM is a waste--all ads--and Internet Radio is annoying (changes host/port/URI all the time, lots of ads and nagging to buy a subscription, and--mainly--seems to repeat the playlist once every day or more), so I finally subscribed to Pandora, and love it |
| [19:26:00] | sphery: | granted, that's music only, but I hate talk radio so it works well for me |
| [19:26:34] | sphery: | I'm assuming that the dish/directv/dvb radio also repeats playlists way too often |
| [19:28:33] | Muzer: | all ads? You should come here, 11 ad-free national radio stations covering a huge variety of subjects... |
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| [19:28:59] | Muzer: | (BBC Radio 1, 1Xtra, 2, 3, 4, 4 Extra, 5 Live, 5 Live Sports Extra, 6 Music, Asian Network, World Service) |
| [19:29:45] | Muzer: | and of course plenty of (mainly local) commercial ones with tonnes of advertising... |
| [19:30:07] | Muzer: | (well, they claim to be local at least, though most of the time nowadays they're virtually completely nationalised) |
| [19:31:08] | sphery: | yeah, I'm pretty sure US FM (and new "HD" *eyes roll*) radio broadcasts are probably much worse than many other countries' |
| [19:32:38] | sphery: | lots of cable and satellite providers have ad-free radio channels on their TV services, but my experience with those is that they have very narrowly-defined genres and small playlists that never change |
| [19:32:52] | sphery: | not sure if they do that better over in the UK |
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| [19:33:40] | Muzer: | BBC have quite a monopoly on radio here – there's not even a radio licence any more, so it's literally free to those who don't pay TV licence |
| [19:33:54] | sphery: | but Pandora gives me exactly what I want--an ability to play "songs I like" without having to create my own playlists and an ability to influence what plays (my favorites station, for example, has about 10 artists, 40 songs, and 200 feedbacks on it) |
| [19:34:07] | Muzer: | well, not too much of a monopoly – people still listen to commercial radio, but I'd say that, for national purposes at least, BBC radio has it all covered pretty much |
| [19:39:34] | skd5aner: | to upgrade ubuntu from 11.04 to 11.10 or not... |
| [19:40:54] | ServerSage: | skd5aner: Is 11.04 working for you right now? |
| [19:41:10] | skd5aner: | yup – I know, don't break what works |
| [19:41:26] | ServerSage: | skd5aner: Exactly. |
| [19:41:26] | skd5aner: | but, I've had a decent track record with upgrades with only minor hiccups over the past few years |
| [19:42:14] | ServerSage: | skd5aner: It's your weekend. Spend it any way you want. :) |
| [19:42:21] | skd5aner: | :) |
| [19:42:39] | skd5aner: | if it weren't for upgrades – how would we learn to troubleshoot? ;) |
| [19:42:55] | ServerSage: | skd5aner: I learn from other people's stupidity. |
| [19:43:29] | skd5aner: | perhaps I'll have some lessons to teach you then |
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| [19:44:50] | ServerSage: | skd5aner: I'm not sure you'll be able to achieve the level of stupid as the people I have to deal with. Some people should not be allowed to use a keyboard. |
| [19:45:10] | skd5aner: | so I see you've met some of my inlaws |
| [19:45:18] | skd5aner: | <rimshot> |
| [19:45:24] | ServerSage: | skd5aner: Hehe. |
| [19:48:30] | ** skd5aner hits the "Y" key – no going back now ** | |
| [19:54:42] | sphery: | iamlindoro: love your DB Utilities stuff in the backend html |
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| [20:03:50] | iamlindoro: | sphery: heh, just saw it for the first time? |
| [20:04:01] | iamlindoro: | It should be fairly idiot proof |
| [20:04:12] | iamlindoro: | but you know how they go making better idiots all the time... |
| [20:04:38] | sphery: | I knew it was in there, but hadn't actually played with it |
| [20:04:53] | sphery: | and, yeah, that's the best part--the idiot proofedness |
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| [20:37:10] | skd5aner: | proofedness |
| [20:37:19] | skd5aner: | "idiot proofednes"" |
| [20:37:38] | skd5aner: | with 2 s's even |
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| [20:44:15] | skd5aner: | oh yea, 11.10 comes with the 3.0 kernel... this ought to be fun :S |
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| [20:58:42] | joemyth: | ubuntu upgrades break my graphics card drivers every single time |
| [20:59:21] | ** wagnerrp is so happy he uses a version-less distro ** | |
| [21:00:49] | joemyth: | "hmm, interesting article about some random command.." "type-command" <command not found> "apt-get install <command> && <command>" |
| [21:06:36] | skd5aner: | ubuntu upgrades always break my driver install too – because it's compiled against a specific kernel version and release – goign in and simply running the nvidia installer against the correct kernel headers fixes the problem |
| [21:06:50] | skd5aner: | I don't use the nvidia drivers ubuntu distributes |
| [21:08:21] | justinh: | so, the UK radiotimes data feed is 'safe' eh |
| [21:10:54] | justinh: | this 'Atlas' stuff sounds interesting though. A 'potent API' |
| [21:14:12] | joemyth: | i think its more like: android < ios < bb < android |
| [21:14:20] | joemyth: | oops sorry wrong window |
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| [21:21:56] | wagnerrp: | sphery: do you recall what was causing pink/purple vertical lines? |
| [21:22:09] | wagnerrp: | i found #10110, but thats for transcoding, not normal playback |
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| [21:25:16] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: did you see that nVidia open-sourced their CUDA compiler? |
| [21:25:34] | wagnerrp: | i dont know how meaningful that will be in comparison to OpenCL though |
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| [21:29:03] | Beirdo: | yes, they did |
| [21:29:18] | Beirdo: | it's an LLVM frontend basically now |
| [21:29:39] | Beirdo: | it didn't sound like much of a change as used by OpenCL... yet. |
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| [21:35:50] | skd5aner: | Server updated to ubuntu 11.10 – extremely painless, now for the frontend |
| [21:37:17] | skd5aner: | the commericial loudness rules in the US are supposed to go in effect this month |
| [21:37:53] | wagnerrp: | that passed congress? |
| [21:38:49] | joemyth: | skd5aner: did you check your server console? after a reboot? |
| [21:42:11] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-ct-fcc- . . . 784179.story |
| [21:42:22] | skd5aner: | joemyth: how do you mean? |
| [21:42:45] | joemyth: | skd5aner: im just wondering if it works fine after a reboot, etc |
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| [21:42:51] | skd5aner: | yup – rebooted |
| [21:43:01] | skd5aner: | everything important is working as expected |
| [21:43:09] | skd5aner: | really took 0 intervention on my part |
| [21:43:55] | joemyth: | do you think i should do it too? I'm using 10.10, terrified of upgrading |
| [21:46:43] | skd5aner: | heh... your mileage may vary |
| [21:46:57] | skd5aner: | I've had good luck within the last 2–3 years of upgrading ubuntu |
| [21:47:00] | skd5aner: | before that, not as smooth |
| [21:47:11] | skd5aner: | and there's always at least 1 or 2 minor hiccups – this time, none so far |
| [21:47:42] | skd5aner: | I usually follow about 1–3 months after their last 6 month release cycle |
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| [21:56:42] | skd5aner: | wtf? NVIDIA's latest drivers (in order of release from Sept) are 275.28 --> 285.05.09 --> 290.10 --> 275.43?! |
| [21:56:53] | skd5aner: | http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_amd64_display_archive.html |
| [22:05:36] | clever: | yeah, i was a bit confused too when i was updating this laptop, and now the backlight in the laptop refuses to shut off |
| [22:10:06] | kormoc: | skd5aner, they update older versions with critical bug fixes, doesn't mean it's the latest driver tho |
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| [22:36:25] | sphery: | wagnerrp: on playback? bad video drivers? |
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| [22:41:42] | Beirdo: | !parrot |
| [22:41:42] | ** MythLogBot looks around the channel for parrots for Beirdo to smack. ** | |
| [22:41:49] | Beirdo: | :) |
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| [22:42:42] | LTHorn: | infinitv 4 on newegg today for 219 |
| [22:44:50] | LTHorn: | I ordered mine yesterday for 293. I called newegg and they are refunding me the difference! |
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| [23:09:41] | sphery: | yay, another todo--this one from Apr 7--is todone |
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| [23:13:50] | hoolio: | yay :) |
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| [23:48:00] | loganRun: | I did a yum upgrade now my infrared remote does not work. how do I debug this |
| [23:49:33] | loganRun: | I did modprobe ir-kbd-i2c debug=1 and I am seeing some dmesg output...., but launching lircd and irw does not show anything |
| [23:52:28] | Cogswell: | I've almost got suspend to RAM to work with pm-utils. I wrote a pm-utils script to stop and start |
| [23:52:30] | Cogswell: | mythbackend, and pm-utils unloads the tv card module. On resume, the module is loaded and the backend starts, but if I try to watch live TV I get "Error opening jump program file buffer". If I then restart the backend without doing anything else, live TV works perfectly. Any thoughts? |
| [23:53:21] | loganRun: | have have had so many issues with the infrared remote control portion of mythtv, I wish there was an easy way to configure and debug it |
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