| Monday, December 12th, 2011, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:31] | wagnerrp: | you know what the best part about building with a ridiculous amount of threads is? |
| [00:00:38] | wagnerrp: | i made ZFS give up about 1.5GB of cache |
| [00:00:56] | wagnerrp: | ive got so much free now! |
| [00:00:57] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [00:01:37] | squidly: | lol |
| [00:01:38] | squidly: | nice wagnerrp |
| [00:02:01] | wagnerrp: | its just such a glutton |
| [00:02:25] | wagnerrp: | and if im only using memory slowly, it will decide i dont actually need it |
| [00:02:34] | wagnerrp: | and push me several hundred MB in to swap |
| [00:03:22] | wagnerrp: | youre not _actually_ using that memory are you? how about you let me use it for more cache... |
| [00:04:07] | wagnerrp: | given the chance, the thing will even eat up disk space with yet more cache |
| [00:04:34] | limbert: | Just noticed that my Recorder is Offline, also did kernel upgrade today (3.0.0–13 -> 3.0.0–14) = probable cause. |
| [00:07:05] | sphery: | that would do it :) |
| [00:07:11] | sphery: | glad you figured it out |
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| [00:08:20] | limbert: | thanks |
| [00:11:35] | sphery: | So, looks like the great HP Touchpad firesale is really killing ebay |
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| [00:12:37] | sphery: | "170746761917" – Invalid Item |
| [00:12:44] | sphery: | The item you requested (170746761917) is invalid, still pending, or no longer in our database. Please check the number and try again. If this message persists, the item has either not started and is not yet available for viewing, or has expired and is no longer available. |
| [00:12:56] | sphery: | is that what you get? |
| [00:13:18] | sphery: | 170746761857" – Invalid Item |
| [00:13:23] | sphery: | (that one for 32GB one) |
| [00:13:31] | wagnerrp: | i just get their front page |
| [00:13:39] | wagnerrp: | unless youve got a specific link to try |
| [00:14:03] | sphery: | oops, thought I had flipped back to the channel where another friend was trying to post the invalid item ones |
| [00:14:17] | sphery: | it's the HP Touchpad "Manufacturer Refurbished" ones |
| [00:14:29] | sphery: | $99 for 16GB and $149 for 32GB (+$19 S&H) |
| [00:15:25] | sphery: | anyway, it won't let me (or him :) buy it |
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| [00:16:45] | sphery: | (Oh, and I should say th eone by seller hewlettpackard) |
| [00:21:18] | Unguided: | Hello All. Im A mythtv newb and would like to set it up in a virtual machine for testing purposes only. Can this be done and has anyone here tried it? Thanks for your help in advance |
| [00:21:40] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, images won't even load for me on that item. "This listing is currently undergoing maintenance, we apologise for any inconvenience caused." is at the bottom as well. |
| [00:22:10] | wagnerrp: | Unguided: yes it can, mythbackend will not run without some form of tuner, real or virtual, and it is advised you NOT run a production backend on a virtual machine |
| [00:22:38] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: yeah, I'm thinking they may have sold out in less than 20min |
| [00:23:33] | Unguided: | wagnerrp: Ok. I have the hd homerun prime and would just like to set it up to break in the virtual machine rather than the production machine. I should be able to find the prime correct |
| [00:23:35] | sphery: | 2316 sold... doesn't seem to be updating, anymore |
| [00:24:00] | wagnerrp: | Unguided: depends on the networking of your virtual machine |
| [00:24:14] | wagnerrp: | your backend must be on the same logical segment as the HDHR |
| [00:24:35] | Unguided: | wagnerrp:I should bridge it to allow for internet acces right? I dont want nat |
| [00:24:58] | squidly: | wagnerrp: thanks for that info.. someone must have reseated the CPU and put on WAY to much thermal greese |
| [00:25:00] | wagnerrp: | you should bridge it period, nothing to do with accessing the internet |
| [00:25:27] | wagnerrp: | you have to try hard to make too much thermal grease a problem |
| [00:25:38] | Unguided: | wagnerrp: It is on the same segment. Got it. Thanks for the help. |
| [00:25:41] | squidly: | wagnerrp: with my ex I would not put it past her |
| [00:25:50] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, recent news concerning android 4 on the touchpad may be helping that some. :) |
| [00:26:03] | squidly: | there was so much when I pulled the HeatSync it pulled the CPU out of the ZIF! |
| [00:26:04] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: now it has the official "This listing has ended." with 2316 of the 16GB ones sold. Seems they may still have 32GB ones – http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-TouchPad-Wi-Fi-32G . . . em27c14cd281 |
| [00:26:11] | wagnerrp: | you tend to squeeze out most of the excess when you engage the retention clips |
| [00:26:31] | squidly: | yea there was a good ammount and a couple of cpu pins were bent. |
| [00:26:43] | squidly: | I fixed them and it seems to be fine now. |
| [00:26:45] | wagnerrp: | squidly: i almost always do that for any processor >2yrs old |
| [00:26:55] | squidly: | and some crap was UNDER the cpu |
| [00:27:03] | wagnerrp: | more grease would actually mean less adhesion |
| [00:27:17] | squidly: | purchase date was 3/2/10 |
| [00:27:21] | squidly: | so almost a year ago |
| [00:27:34] | squidly: | or is my math way off |
| [00:28:12] | sphery: | well, if nothing else, this was fun--just to see all the different ebay error messages. My favorite was, "These items are not available for payment. They may be already paid for, over 30 days old, or just currently unavailable." Cool that someone else paid for it for me. |
| [00:29:36] | squidly: | lol sphery |
| [00:29:46] | squidly: | ok that didnt fix it.. but it did make the sysm cooler |
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| [00:33:19] | squidly: | ok lets see if this eats it up |
| [00:34:24] | squidly: | going to try a distcc from another system |
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| [01:02:24] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: not bad. Looks like they sold 2316 of the 16GB ones in ~20min and sold 2771, 2771, and 2763 (3 listings) of the 32GB ones in ~1hr |
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| [01:10:54] | skd5aner: | $99 is too much for a touchpade |
| [01:10:57] | skd5aner: | take it from me |
| [01:11:02] | skd5aner: | er, touchpad |
| [01:11:23] | skd5aner: | maybe $99 would be appropriate for the elusive "touchpade" model |
| [01:11:59] | skd5aner: | that said, my next project is likely to be throwing android on it |
| [01:12:22] | skd5aner: | cause WebOS is fairly miserable |
| [01:13:52] | sphery: | hehe |
| [01:14:00] | ThisNewGuy1: | hey all |
| [01:15:11] | sphery: | I was fairly certain that I wasn't actually going to succeed at purchasing one, so I wasn't too worried. Also, I knew that if I did get one, I could have easily sold it to a friend for the $99 + $19 S&H + $7.14 tax |
| [01:15:43] | sphery: | (I have no interest in any tablets... I see them as generally-useless toys, but maybe I'm just a dinosaur.) |
| [01:15:53] | Unguided: | can anyone tell me if there are still issues with the ati line of video cards? my mobo has onboard video on an 88g chipset. I want to set my backend to be a backend and frontend in my basement |
| [01:16:08] | Unguided: | *880G chipset |
| [01:16:09] | skd5aner: | yea, I got 2... mainly because during the original firesale, HP processed my order twice |
| [01:16:11] | sphery: | AMD/ATI video cards are great |
| [01:16:20] | sphery: | AMD/ATI video drivers for Linux are terrible |
| [01:16:26] | skd5aner: | sold the second one for twice as much, so in essence, I got the one I kept for free |
| [01:16:29] | sphery: | so, yeah, still problems, but it's not the card |
| [01:16:44] | sphery: | (it's always been the drivers, not the cards, though) |
| [01:16:48] | Unguided: | ok. Nvidia here i come. |
| [01:17:08] | sphery: | I highly recommend getting a vdpau-capable nvidia video card |
| [01:17:29] | sphery: | it's well worth it (especially if, like me, you're good at finding the deals and get a nice GT220 for $9.98 including S&H) |
| [01:17:37] | Beirdo: | (for a frontend box) |
| [01:17:38] | skd5aner: | my 7600 in my desktop decided to bite the dust last night |
| [01:17:50] | Unguided: | yep. I actually read part of the manual last night. I agree. dump the source to the vid card and leave the cpu alone |
| [01:17:52] | skd5aner: | luckily I had a spare 7300 laying around |
| [01:18:09] | sphery: | yeah, actually both of my dedicated backend boxes (with no monitor/tv connected) are using AMD video with FOSS drivers |
| [01:18:27] | ** Beirdo yawns ** | |
| [01:18:45] | squidly: | sphery: nice. :) |
| [01:19:05] | squidly: | does a slave backend need to have access to the main storage for recoareded tv? |
| [01:19:13] | Unguided: | I cant remember what model number or better manual was recommending though. |
| [01:19:18] | sphery: | (and so is every other computer in my house... 7 computers that run all the time and only one--my mythfrontend box--has an nvidia. I also 2 other computers for development... one is amd, and the other is a mythtv dev box and has nvidia) |
| [01:19:43] | sphery: | so, really, 2 nvidia video computers, but both are mythfrontend boxes (one being a dev box) |
| [01:19:56] | sphery: | and 7 other amd video |
| [01:20:20] | sphery: | squidly: a remote backend only needs access to the storage to which it records its own shows |
| [01:20:28] | Unguided: | Got it. |
| [01:20:50] | sphery: | i.e. if mbe records a show mbe needs access to it... if rbe records a show, rbe needs access to it |
| [01:21:10] | squidly: | ahh ok |
| [01:21:32] | squidly: | so I cant share my recoarding storage via nfs to the slave? |
| [01:21:49] | sphery: | Unguided: you can find many people with much more knowledge about it than I, but lots of people talk about the GT220, the GT430, and maybe one of the GT5xx video cards |
| [01:22:03] | sphery: | there are many threads about them on the -users mailing list |
| [01:22:16] | sphery: | Unguided: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ (for search) |
| [01:22:32] | Unguided: | okay. i will try that. thanks again |
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| [01:37:27] | wagnerrp: | sphery: if both backends have no monitor/tv, why would it matter whose drivers you were using, or even if you were using drivers in the first place? |
| [01:38:19] | sphery: | it doesn't--which is why I have amd cards with foss drivers :) |
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| [01:39:05] | wagnerrp: | but you could have dont integrated intel or integrated nvidia, and the result would have been exactly the same |
| [01:39:16] | sphery: | yeah |
| [01:39:20] | wagnerrp: | you wouldnt have even bothered configuring anything beyond basic VESA support |
| [01:39:25] | sphery: | but I did integrated amd, since I have amd cpus :) |
| [01:39:39] | sphery: | actually I dont even start X |
| [01:39:59] | sphery: | except occasionally for troubleshooting hardware issues |
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| [01:50:43] | Unguided: | sphery: do u have a minute to check out a wikipedia article? |
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| [01:52:25] | sphery: | Unguided: sure? |
| [01:54:46] | Unguided: | I was looking at the ati version of nvidias purevideo HD. Check out this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_PureVideo Look under "other hardware acceleration technology" According to this and atis website, my motherboard already has UVD in the onboard. Or did i misunderstand. |
| [01:55:27] | sphery: | Yeah, but that's pretty much Windows only right now |
| [01:55:47] | Unguided: | AHH. Thats why i was asking. |
| [01:57:14] | wagnerrp: | specifically, AMD started having press releases about XvBA long before anyone even heard of VDPAU |
| [01:57:19] | sphery: | AMD's proprietary drivers may have some support... they have a *nix API they called XvBA (X-Video Bitstream Acceleration – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XvBA ), but it's proprietary and closed |
| [01:57:53] | wagnerrp: | suddenly nVidia shows up with a functional interface, and its another year before XvBA even appears as undocumented strings found in the AMD drivers |
| [01:58:04] | Unguided: | okay. Just checking to make sure I understood what is actually going on |
| [01:58:18] | sphery: | there's an Intel-sponsored video decoding API for *nix called VA API (Video Acceleration API – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_Acceleration_API ), that is supposed to be "backend agnostic"--meaning it could support any card that has hardware support |
| [01:58:37] | wagnerrp: | basically, ATI half-assed Linux support for a long long time |
| [01:59:04] | sphery: | and there's some developer who has some permission to use some information to integrate XvBA into VA API, but it's very immature compared to VDPAU |
| [01:59:13] | sphery: | and, really, VDPAU is a much better API (has more capabilities) |
| [01:59:19] | wagnerrp: | and while Linux support has gotten considerably better under AMD's tutelage, theyre a long way off from nVidia, and not even up to Intel's standards |
| [01:59:24] | Unguided: | Yeah. I knew that. But, i thought with the competitive market, they would have opened for the open source community. Gues not. |
| [01:59:45] | sphery: | really, the best VA API support is for the nvidia video cards--for which you can use VDPAU directly and cut out the middle man and get better capabilities than VA API has |
| [01:59:49] | wagnerrp: | i saw some mention on phoronix a while back (within the past year) that AMD finally did open up XvBA |
| [02:00:10] | sphery: | oh, really |
| [02:00:12] | sphery: | that's cool |
| [02:00:17] | sphery: | but, likely, too little too late |
| [02:00:37] | sphery: | I heard it was basically their Windows API... and I think VDPAU is basically nvidia's Windows API |
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| [02:00:45] | sphery: | so they may be relatively similar |
| [02:00:58] | sphery: | but we don't need even more video apis |
| [02:01:07] | sphery: | maybe OpenMAX will finally consolidate things |
| [02:01:39] | sphery: | (I've given up on VA API) |
| [02:03:10] | wagnerrp: | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTEzNg |
| [02:04:44] | wagnerrp: | the last paragraph sums it up well |
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| [02:05:04] | sphery: | nice... modified bsd license |
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| [02:06:40] | sphery: | wagnerrp: wow, xbmc has had openmax support since Dec 2010 |
| [02:07:03] | sphery: | wonder which drivers support that (if any desktop drivers do) |
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| [02:07:52] | wagnerrp: | i woldnt be surprised if the guy who did the pandaboard work wrote that up |
| [02:09:15] | wagnerrp: | for all i know, that could be _how_ he made the pandaboard play video in xbmc |
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| [02:10:10] | sphery: | seems nearly all of the results for nvidia linux openmax comes back with tegra.... thinking nvidia may not have an OpenMax DL for desktop cards |
| [02:11:41] | wagnerrp: | oh, support could have come upstream from boxee |
| [02:12:10] | wagnerrp: | if you recall, there was apparently a lot of work towards running boxee on the Tegra, before they abandoned it for an atom |
| [02:12:24] | wagnerrp: | for the boxee box |
| [02:12:40] | sphery: | ah, yeah, I remember that |
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| [02:49:28] | Unguided: | sphery: you still around? |
| [02:49:41] | sphery: | yeah |
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| [02:49:55] | Unguided: | Hey ati did release drivers for linux |
| [02:50:28] | Unguided: | sphery: check out this webpage: http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/Pages/index.aspx |
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| [02:50:34] | sphery: | yeah, there are drivers, but you will find that nvidia's drivers and video decoding stuff is well suported |
| [02:51:15] | sphery: | mythtv works extremely well with nvidia |
| [02:51:31] | wagnerrp: | there is a big difference between "drivers" and "good drivers" |
| [02:51:48] | sphery: | with amd and intel video, you're mostly swimming upstream and learning to live with the quirks |
| [02:51:52] | Unguided: | sphery: i have a mobo with an 880g chipset. according to their website they have the drivers. I realize it is not as well supported as nvidia but at least they are trying |
| [02:52:14] | sphery: | yeah, and I hope that one day they'll be as good as nvidia |
| [02:52:25] | wagnerrp: | trying, yes.... getting much better, absolutely... there yet? nope |
| [02:52:26] | sphery: | but, IMHO, when it comes to use on a mythtv box, they're not there |
| [02:52:58] | sphery: | you can start with your integrated amd card--and you'll start to understand what we're talking about |
| [02:53:04] | Unguided: | so are you saying that using an amd processor and an nividia video card is gonna be trouble? most of my computers are amd procs |
| [02:53:14] | sphery: | if you can learn to live with the quirks, you can continue to use them |
| [02:53:22] | wagnerrp: | no, amd CPU with nvidia GPU will work just fine |
| [02:53:25] | sphery: | if not, you can just get an nvidia card and throw it in |
| [02:53:30] | wagnerrp: | intel CPU with nvidia GPU will work just fine |
| [02:53:47] | sphery: | I have amd cpus on both of my frontend boxes and use nvidia video with them |
| [02:54:01] | wagnerrp: | intel CPU with intel GPU will probably be acceptable, assuming its a real CPU and not a toy^H^H^Hatom |
| [02:54:11] | Unguided: | okay we were still on the video caard. i thought sphery moved to the proc as well. sorry about that. |
| [02:54:18] | wagnerrp: | but if you use an amd GPU with video output in linux, youre on your own |
| [02:54:29] | sphery: | even if I had an AMD A-series Fusion chip (with on-chip GPU), I'd still stick an nvidia video card in there and not use the amd one for the mythtv box :) |
| [02:54:36] | wagnerrp: | may got have mercy on your soul |
| [02:54:53] | sphery: | I meant intel video cards and amd/ati video cards |
| [02:55:17] | Unguided: | okay. just checking. |
| [02:58:43] | Unguided: | sphery: im running dual core for all of my frontends and a quad core for my backend with a hd homerun prime or two on the network. each FE has 4gb ram and the Be has 8. i should be okay to start off with the on board video then change the cards as i can afford them right? |
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| [02:59:10] | wagnerrp: | onboard intel or amd? |
| [02:59:21] | sphery: | assuming those dual core frontend systems are relatively recent athlon ii's or so, you should be good |
| [02:59:40] | Unguided: | i believe they are amd. I believe thats how this whole conversation started. |
| [02:59:51] | wagnerrp: | with amd graphics, its a crapshoot |
| [02:59:58] | wagnerrp: | some can get it working acceptably, others cant |
| [03:00:04] | sphery: | with amd/ati video, you'll be using software decoding, so you'll need a good 2.5GHz+ kind of AMD proc |
| [03:00:51] | Unguided: | okay. hanging my head I will go back and find better vid cards |
| [03:00:54] | DeviceZer0: | would a backend on freebsd work well with just a hdhr? |
| [03:00:56] | sphery: | (and a good Intel CPU--Core 2 Duo or Core i dual core--would work fine, too, but just mentioned athlon ii because you said you were using AMD :) |
| [03:01:10] | sphery: | you can start with the amd one |
| [03:01:16] | wagnerrp: | Unguided: you already have it, theres not much harm to do by trying it |
| [03:01:17] | sphery: | it only costs you time to try it |
| [03:01:18] | DeviceZer0: | since its all done in software and has no hardware specific things |
| [03:01:21] | wagnerrp: | just dont get your hopes up |
| [03:01:25] | wagnerrp: | DeviceZer0: works just fine |
| [03:01:50] | DeviceZer0: | contemplating moving my server over to fbsd now that I have a hdhr prime |
| [03:01:58] | sphery: | yeah, try it but realize that you may say, "You know what, it would be worth the savings in time to spend $10 – $40 on an nvidia GPU" :) |
| [03:02:10] | wagnerrp: | (i assume, im using it with a regular HDHR) |
| [03:02:31] | sphery: | (and with that, you'd also get a nice frontend that has really good support for video--including decoding and presentation) |
| [03:02:37] | DeviceZer0: | ah |
| [03:02:48] | sphery: | but try the amd for now and see what happens |
| [03:03:01] | Unguided: | sphery: you rright. I will go see what i can find. thanks. |
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| [03:03:41] | sphery: | Unguided: first and most important step when setting up a mythfrontend system is to go into mythfrontend settings, Utilities/Setup|Setup|TV Settings|Playback, 3rd screen, and change the Playback Profile group, appropriately |
| [03:04:09] | Unguided: | okay |
| [03:04:10] | sphery: | Unguided: for AMD, choose Slim. For nvidia with vdpau support, choose VDPAU Slim (and if it works, feel free to try VDPAU Medium and VDPAU High) |
| [03:04:26] | sphery: | note that AMD is just Slim (not VDPAU Slim :) |
| [03:04:30] | Unguided: | okay |
| [03:05:36] | Unguided: | thats why i wanted to install in a virtual machine for testing purposes. then no harm no foul. im reusing some systems i took down that were being used for other things. |
| [03:05:56] | wagnerrp: | a virtual machine wont be of any use for playback |
| [03:06:31] | Unguided: | okay |
| [03:06:46] | wagnerrp: | its all going to suck, amd, nvidia, or otherwise |
| [03:07:01] | Unguided: | okay |
| [03:09:03] | sphery: | ThisNewGuy1: I didn't know you were thisonedude I was talking to earlier |
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| [03:26:29] | ThisNewGuy1: | sphery: yeah – sorry – I was on another machine |
| [03:26:40] | sphery: | hehe, not a problem |
| [03:26:58] | sphery: | just surprised me |
| [03:27:15] | ThisNewGuy1: | I tried to pick a name that sort of matched but I forgot what I had used :-( |
| [03:27:47] | sphery: | I was surprised, though, that a brand new guy showed up and wanted to help |
| [03:28:32] | sphery: | yeah, when I've had connectivity issues preventing getting back to my system at home that's logged in, I've been unable to use my nick since I don't know the password, so I've done similar |
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| [03:29:46] | ThisNewGuy1: | :-) – I guess it's much more typical to be a long time user and love myth and just have an itch to scratch than to show up out of the blue wanting to dive in |
| [03:30:10] | sphery: | yeah |
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| [04:58:35] | bonelifer: | An Antronix Amplifier to the rescue. Without it the signal was going down to ~50% signal and the HDHomeRun wasn't getting enough signal. with it I can now feed both tuners. definitely glad I bought that amplifier just in case even though I didn't need it at the time. |
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| [11:22:31] | MrPaco: | i`m looking for a new processor with a minimal requeriments for htpc, mine is sometime playing 1080p movie, and recording a channel, and streamming a recording |
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| [11:23:28] | MrPaco: | its an i3 2100 capable? or is better to jump to one i5 2400? |
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| [11:31:02] | oobe: | i3 sounds fine |
| [11:31:25] | oobe: | might be cheaper to get a decent nvidia card and juse use vdpau |
| [11:35:40] | MrPaco: | thank you |
| [11:35:46] | MrPaco: | i`m interested on i3 2100 |
| [11:35:56] | MrPaco: | and some mobo with a decent graphic crad |
| [11:35:59] | MrPaco: | card* |
| [11:38:15] | oobe: | sorry I mean the 2100 |
| [11:38:24] | oobe: | I dont keep up with intels much but I looked it up |
| [11:38:51] | oobe: | my preference is to always get a board without onboard graphics |
| [11:39:01] | oobe: | I prefer to choose a card that suits me |
| [11:39:17] | MrPaco: | hmmm |
| [11:39:28] | oobe: | all the low end pci-e cards exceed my requirements now days |
| [11:39:37] | oobe: | and they dont use up ram |
| [11:39:58] | MrPaco: | some passive graphic |
| [11:40:16] | MrPaco: | but i dont use my htpc for play games |
| [11:41:00] | oobe: | yep neither but graphics cards support vdpau which means it plays back video using the graphics card instead of the cpu |
| [11:41:21] | oobe: | and some of the cards features means that it can do advanced deinterlacing etc. |
| [11:41:38] | MrPaco: | what card can you suggest? |
| [11:41:50] | oobe: | this page might explain it better than I can http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/VDPAU |
| [11:42:18] | oobe: | I would say get a GT220 if you can they are really cheap and can do all vdpau playback profiles including high quality |
| [11:43:16] | oobe: | they used to be more expensive |
| [11:44:07] | oobe: | 8400GS are the cheapest and lowest end pci-e cards that support vdpau but the gt220 support more features and have HDMI and usually if you shop around nowadays cost the same or only slightly more |
| [11:44:53] | MrPaco: | im looking one gt200 w/o fan |
| [11:45:08] | oobe: | yea fanless would be my criteria now too |
| [11:45:22] | oobe: | fanless with hdmi those are my bottom lines |
| [11:46:18] | oobe: | I had a gt220 with a fan and it made a bit of noise which I got use to but then the bearings seemed to go and made a really loud noise |
| [11:46:19] | MrPaco: | im looing some like this, with hdmi and fanless |
| [11:46:30] | oobe: | I replaced it with a gt520 fanless |
| [11:46:53] | oobe: | amusingly the gt520 is less powerful than the gt220 |
| [11:47:01] | oobe: | names can be misleading |
| [11:47:08] | MrPaco: | hmm |
| [11:48:06] | oobe: | basically if you choose the right card it doesnt matter how fast or slow your CPU is atleast as far as video playback goes |
| [11:48:28] | oobe: | still would be annoying to wait for the frontend to load and some themes would be too slow if the proc wasnt fast enough |
| [11:52:19] | MrPaco: | and if you want to add a graphic cheap but good for play gameS? |
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| [11:52:46] | MrPaco: | 100–150?? i know this cant be fanless |
| [11:53:50] | oobe: | I am not really the one to ask about games but most cheap cards low end of latest technology meets or exceeds minimum requirements for current games |
| [11:53:57] | oobe: | 100$ is too much |
| [11:54:17] | oobe: | you could find a fanless gt220 for around $50–60 |
| [11:56:36] | MrPaco: | i dont know why i ask about a graphic card, forgot that is for mythtv and no games can play at linux for a great graphic card |
| [11:57:00] | oobe: | yea its a moot point |
| [11:57:21] | oobe: | however for interest sake there are some linux games and some windows games work on wine |
| [11:57:35] | oobe: | also some commercial games are multi platform |
| [11:59:15] | MrPaco: | i was thinking to play on my htpc, but its hard to find a very good games like pes or fifa or need for speed or battlefield |
| [11:59:46] | oobe: | there is a 3d game for car racing with linux penguins I forget the name |
| [11:59:47] | MrPaco: | i remember my last try with wine or cedega 3 o 4 years ago |
| [12:00:07] | MrPaco: | with penguins car xDDDD |
| [12:01:59] | oobe: | yea I am not one to talk about games but it is pretty popular I forget the name though |
| [12:06:28] | oobe: | tuxracer is the name I was thinking of it just came to me when I was doing a medium sized poo on the toilet |
| [12:07:11] | oobe: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3Ok_GkbgKA |
| [12:08:53] | MrPaco: | too hard for me :) |
| [12:09:23] | oobe: | anyway will this be a frontend only machine or a full frontend/backend |
| [12:09:48] | jduggan: | im glad you clarified it was only a medium sized poo |
| [12:09:55] | oobe: | cause if you intended on making it a frontend only I might suggest a tiny acer revo or similar |
| [12:10:03] | oobe: | yes I sometimes like to add too much info |
| [12:11:51] | MrPaco: | full backend |
| [12:11:54] | MrPaco: | and frontend |
| [12:13:32] | oobe: | ah ok |
| [12:13:49] | oobe: | well you probably want something a bit more robust with a faster proc |
| [12:13:56] | MrPaco: | yes |
| [12:13:57] | oobe: | the one you linked too is fast enough |
| [12:14:14] | oobe: | but if it were just a frontend you could of gone with an atom ion |
| [12:14:32] | oobe: | they are boards with a built in cpu no fan really silent no moving parts |
| [12:14:37] | oobe: | but not very fast |
| [12:15:13] | oobe: | will playback video fine but probably get stuck with commercial flagging or transcoding |
| [12:15:14] | MrPaco: | sorry, my english is too low, i have sayed about the spec of the htpc for do works as backend and frontend at same time |
| [12:15:27] | oobe: | yes it will be good |
| [12:15:47] | MrPaco: | i`m not looking for a cheap frontend computer, thank for suggest the atom option |
| [12:15:47] | oobe: | I was just saying you could go even lower if it were just for frontend only |
| [12:16:01] | MrPaco: | ah thank you |
| [12:26:48] | MrPaco: | could be a mac mini a good mythtv backend/frontend? |
| [12:26:55] | MrPaco: | but too expensive really? |
| [12:36:59] | Peitolm: | a mac mini works well |
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| [12:47:09] | oobe: | MrPaco, I dont know much about macs |
| [12:47:41] | oobe: | there is a fairly good amount of resources on mythtv.org/wiki if you search it for compatible hardware |
| [12:48:11] | oobe: | ah Peitolm said it worked well I didnt read that sorry |
| [12:48:35] | Peitolm: | i run linux on mine and it works |
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| [13:02:32] | oobe: | I have never used a mac |
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| [13:02:40] | oobe: | but I like the idea of installing linux on it |
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| [13:07:07] | Peitolm: | i have an older core2duo and it works well, it also handles light transcoding jobs for me |
| [13:07:24] | Peitolm: | it's not my main backend though, but i'm sure it could cope |
| [13:08:01] | oobe: | I also want to check out osx |
| [13:08:07] | MrPaco: | Peitolm, what transcode job you use? |
| [13:08:18] | MrPaco: | i want to find one fast to reduce the size of my recordings |
| [13:08:35] | MrPaco: | tested two or three jobs w/o good quality |
| [13:10:10] | oobe: | problem is unless you guys both get the same sort of recording streams results my differ |
| [13:13:23] | Peitolm: | mpeg2cut is about all i use it for |
| [13:13:49] | Peitolm: | i have sufficient disk space to keep most of the streams |
| [13:14:07] | Peitolm: | I record MPEG2-TS from sat, and mpeg2 from a pvr-350 |
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| [13:27:29] | JEDIDIAH__: | the current generation of Minis has an inferior video chip when compared to the previous generation, especially when considering Linux and MythTV. |
| [13:27:54] | JEDIDIAH__: | for a combo be/frontend, you might want to start out with something like the antec fusion case. |
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| [14:37:02] | oobe: | JEDIDIAH__, what are Minis anyway |
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| [17:12:30] | drindt: | hey there i need your help please, i moved and have here different dvb-t possibilities. after a channel scan i have now the problem that i cant watch live tv anymore. and recording is not possible on 2 channels. thanks for your help |
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| [17:43:16] | BobLfoot: | Had a perfectly working mythtv-box setup and Power Utility changed my meter this am while I slept and now the Scan for audio devices returns that ALSA:front:Card=Intel,Dev=0 is invalid or not usable. Yet aplay shows that it exists? I am not a sound guru anyone with ideas. Sound for VLC and flash is working fine. |
| [17:48:22] | sphery: | BobLfoot: sounds like you need to go back to frontend setup's audio settings screen and hit scan for devices. then change the device to some incorrect value, then next, next, ... finish. Then go back in, scan for devices, and choose the right device before you next...finish it. |
| [17:50:47] | BobLfoot: | sphery: with the Audio Output Device blank scan returns no device name |
| [17:51:52] | BobLfoot: | ok it works now to figure out what I did |
| [17:53:08] | BobLfoot: | well works on digital channels, but not analog channel |
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| [17:57:37] | BobLfoot: | beginning to wonder if this is a centos 6.1 upgrade issue. Ic an't recall using myth after I upgraded and before the power outage. |
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| [18:03:33] | BobLfoot: | sphery: got it — Centos 6.1 Upgrade reinstalled pulseaudio and was hosing ALSA using the Intel card. It would seem. After yum erase pulseaudio all returned to normal |
| [18:04:02] | wagnerrp: | so your power utility changing your meter triggered an upgrade of CentOS? |
| [18:04:35] | wagnerrp: | nevermind |
| [18:04:50] | ** wagnerrp missed a line in the middle ** | |
| [18:06:04] | BobLfoot: | yeah wagnerrp — power outage was last thing to happen, but upgrade was also between usages. Power has been such an issue I suspected it first. There goes assumptions causing me trouble again |
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| [18:37:23] | sphery: | BobLfoot: glad you got it figured out |
| [18:49:18] | BobLfoot: | thanks sphery — myth is great when it works — which is most of the time |
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| [19:26:57] | Shadow__X: | hey guys, i am using scte65scan and when i change to certain channels 2.1 3.1 4.1 etc i get an error saying channel change failed |
| [19:27:39] | Shadow__X: | any idea what i did wrong |
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| [20:43:50] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: just saved me from going into a big long explanation of hardware video decoding in linux |
| [20:43:53] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [20:44:05] | wagnerrp: | i was about half a paragraph in with no end in sight |
| [20:44:08] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [20:44:23] | Beirdo: | I figured it was an appropriate use. :) |
| [20:44:36] | Beirdo: | why people can't Google before asking, I'll never know. |
| [20:51:29] | sphery: | Yeah, I just don't get why people are so averse to choosing the right hardware for the desired task. |
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| [20:52:07] | devinheitmueller: | sphery: because they are cheap? |
| [20:52:20] | sphery: | I mean it's one thing to buy a VA-API-only AMD graphics card if you plan to spend time developing the VA-API code, but it seems people just want to buy something (because of random prejudices) and expect it to work |
| [20:52:32] | sphery: | (or similar for sandy bridge" |
| [20:53:06] | devinheitmueller: | sphery: well, at least for Sandy Bridge they may be trying to avoid having a discrete graphics card at all and use what's on the motherboard. This is especially useful if you're trying to fit it into a small case. |
| [20:53:12] | sphery: | "It's /one/ chip with generic and graphics processing, so it must be efficient! Nevermind the fact that it won't adequately perform the task I'm asking it." |
| [20:53:18] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i see sandy/ivy bridge interesting for a small integrated graphics solution |
| [20:53:31] | sphery: | sure |
| [20:53:33] | wagnerrp: | not because of any budgetary reasons |
| [20:53:36] | sphery: | but not for a mythfrontend box, now |
| [20:53:44] | sphery: | wait until there's support |
| [20:53:51] | sphery: | or just stick an nvidia in for now |
| [20:53:54] | devinheitmueller: | The only case I can think of for AMD though is if they are are using a laptop which has and AMD graphics adapter onboard and they can't use anything else. |
| [20:54:07] | wagnerrp: | well... i guess it would be budgetary, being averse to a $300+ motherboard with an integrated mobile graphics chip |
| [20:54:52] | sphery: | anyway, your solution should be designed around technical requirements, not aesthetics |
| [20:55:13] | sphery: | just spend the $300 you would have spent on the small, beautiful case on a nice mobo and stick it elsewhere |
| [20:55:38] | sphery: | or just get a nice, but not small mobo and stick it elsewhere, and pocket the $250 you saved |
| [20:57:55] | devinheitmueller: | sphery: well *your* solution should be designed around technical requirements. Some people value aesthetics. |
| [20:58:18] | devinheitmueller: | ... and not everybody can drill holes in their wall to bury the frontend box in the adjacent room. |
| [20:58:20] | sphery: | and with low-profile, passively-cooled GT220/GT430/GT520 and such, you should be able to still get small and pretty with a real video card |
| [20:58:22] | devinheitmueller: | (nor would many want to) |
| [20:58:34] | wagnerrp: | devinheitmueller: no, they value low cost |
| [20:58:47] | wagnerrp: | you can get good aesthetics with proper hardware just fine |
| [20:58:51] | wagnerrp: | if youre willing to pay for it |
| [20:58:58] | sphery: | agreed |
| [20:59:08] | sphery: | small, pretty, and quiet costs money |
| [20:59:10] | wagnerrp: | theyre being cheap, and complaining because cheap and decent is ugly |
| [20:59:16] | sphery: | but people who want that don't tend to want to spend it |
| [20:59:24] | sphery: | so they buy the wrong thing and just expect it to work |
| [21:00:24] | sphery: | anyway, IMHO, if you buy the wrong hardware and refuse to use the right hardware, it's /your/ responsibility to write the code to make it possible (even if that means driver/va-api/... code) |
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| [21:41:29] | TimeWolf: | what is RVU? |
| [21:41:35] | TimeWolf is now known as joemyth | |
| [21:41:55] | sphery: | never heard of it |
| [21:42:02] | sphery: | context? |
| [21:42:28] | joemyth: | "technical specifications for the distribution of digital audio/video home networked entertainment" |
| [21:43:09] | joemyth: | its like a protocol that is supposed to standardize interface from various devices, like TV's etc |
| [21:43:39] | joemyth: | i guess if you've never even heard of it, its fluff |
| [21:44:35] | joemyth: | oh okay now I know its BS: 'RVU is not an acronym. It is pronounced "R-View" ' |
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| [21:57:59] | wagnerrp: | joemyth: so basically, a slim terminal with a hardware decoder? |
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| [22:01:34] | joemyth: | yeah i think so. sort of a superset of dlna |
| [22:01:53] | justinh: | bah. anything that works 'as well' as DLNA... |
| [22:02:25] | joemyth: | so an rvu tv or BR player would connect to an RVU server, like a STB or DVR etc |
| [22:02:41] | joemyth: | justinh: exactly what i thought |
| [22:03:19] | wagnerrp: | instead of a thin X-client, or even some web UI, its almost certainly going to be a java VM running software uploaded from the server |
| [22:03:38] | Shadow__X: | my hvr 1800 can lock onto cbs,nbc,fox etc but keeps erroring out. I rescanned the channels and just updated the firmware as they have not been updated since i first set this machine up. in the dmesg i was getting these errors http://pastebin.com/LBrV06vT |
| [22:03:43] | ** wagnerrp doesnt understand why we cant bring X-terms back ** | |
| [22:04:06] | sphery: | so, RVU is a (likely proprietary/patent-encumbered) superset of DLNA, which is a proprietary/patent-encumbered superset of UPnP? |
| [22:04:27] | justinh: | yeah, and broadcom are one of the outfits behind it, so it'll be great! |
| [22:04:41] | sphery: | hehe--just like the Crystal HD |
| [22:04:57] | joemyth: | sphery: if its sponsored by verizon, you know its gotta be good |
| [22:04:59] | justinh: | and Pace, who make awesome & amazing STBs & DVRs for pay TV providers the world over |
| [22:05:33] | sphery: | New York City? |
| [22:06:53] | justinh: | I read their hallways are paved with real gold. REAL (player) GOLD! |
| [22:07:37] | sphery: | (seems no one remembers http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70cwwMHcW04 ) |
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| [22:08:39] | justinh: | never saw it :-) |
| [22:08:46] | sphery: | yeah, probably US only |
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| [22:08:56] | sphery: | your mentioning "Pace" reminded me of it |
| [22:09:19] | joemyth: | pace makes salsa? i thought it was a university |
| [22:09:55] | joemyth: | is old el paso gonna make it to NCAA playoffs |
| [22:10:09] | sphery: | I'm guessing these are different paces :) |
| [22:10:34] | joemyth: | sphery: ohhhhh |
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| [22:11:32] | joemyth: | i think we can all agree that 0.25 needs to support RVU, then |
| [22:11:51] | sphery: | hehe |
| [22:12:00] | justinh: | I think we can all agree that RVU needs to die in a fire |
| [22:12:21] | justinh: | because we really don't need another 'standard' for anything |
| [22:12:54] | sphery: | justinh: obviously, you don't know how it's done: http://xkcd.com/927/ |
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| [22:13:40] | justinh: | LOL |
| [22:14:16] | joemyth: | which standard# is unified pvr frontend |
| [22:14:30] | iamlindoro: | get a rope |
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| [22:15:26] | iamlindoro: | joemyth: unified pv-whatnow? |
| [22:15:56] | justinh: | joemyth: unified, meaning it'll work with anything* within the standard (*from one of only about two providers in certain cases) |
| [22:16:56] | joemyth: | http://tinyurl.com/6bj3pje |
| [22:17:12] | iamlindoro: | joemyth: That's not any standard |
| [22:17:46] | iamlindoro: | It's a common set of functionalities of their own devising |
| [22:17:48] | joemyth: | is too. just wait until the second mid-2008 and you'll see |
| [22:18:12] | iamlindoro: | second mid 2008, huh |
| [22:18:16] | iamlindoro: | I agree |
| [22:18:17] | joemyth: | *-second |
| [22:18:23] | iamlindoro: | it ought to work about the time the second 2008 rolls around |
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| [22:19:23] | justinh: | you know the *really* cool thing about upnp/dlna ? The fact that so many kinks/workarounds have to be plugged into the servers to work with clients. that's Universality for ya |
| [22:19:32] | DeviceZer0: | hello all. Im using mythfrontend on a machine that uses twinview and I open mythtv on the monitor on the right which is smaller then my main monitor...and when watching video is fine...but if I try to navigate menus and settings...the bottom couple inches is chopped off...so I cannot tell if I'm getting next,back,cancel... |
| [22:19:36] | DeviceZer0: | any ideas? |
| [22:20:12] | sphery: | DeviceZer0: when using xinerama or any of its ilk, you have to specify which monitor you're using in mythfrontend Appearance settings |
| [22:21:01] | sphery: | DeviceZer0: Display on screen needs to be set to the right (or, in this case, the right) screen |
| [22:21:19] | sphery: | so mythtv knows which screen's dimensions to use |
| [22:21:35] | DeviceZer0: | sphery, bingo. |
| [22:21:36] | DeviceZer0: | thanks |
| [22:21:58] | DeviceZer0: | I was just opening a terminal and dragging it over to the monitor I wanted to use..then opening mythfrontend there |
| [22:22:03] | DeviceZer0: | so it opened on that monitor. |
| [22:22:19] | DeviceZer0: | but chaning it to use the right monitor worked..and I now have the right setup |
| [22:23:10] | sphery: | all right, then :) |
| [22:23:19] | justinh: | heh. I was always under the impression that stuff like mediatomb 'just worked' with stuff. Nope. Tasty config files they got right there. Ugh |
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| [22:23:47] | justinh: | eep – what if people have more than one make/model of client at home? :-O |
| [22:23:51] | sphery: | justinh: yeah, you never know what they've got buried their software |
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| [22:24:03] | DeviceZer0: | also I'm not sure if this is atheme issue..but when in live tv...its not showing the start/end time of programs. |
| [22:24:05] | ** sphery promises to ease off the stupid puns ** | |
| [22:24:22] | DeviceZer0: | kinda annoying when browsing channels not knowing when a movie started |
| [22:24:26] | justinh: | DeviceZer0: you need EPG data then I suppose |
| [22:24:48] | DeviceZer0: | justinh, I have SD setup and all the channels have descriptions |
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| [22:25:03] | sphery: | DeviceZer0: there is at least one theme that chooses not to show start/end time of programs |
| [22:25:20] | sphery: | (in osd, that is) |
| [22:25:39] | justinh: | chooses? |
| [22:25:50] | sphery: | it's seems anathema for Live TV users |
| [22:26:08] | sphery: | (sorry, the "atheme" typo made me have to say that) |
| [22:30:20] | iamlindoro: | sphery: I myself am an athemist... I don't believe in themes |
| [22:31:19] | sphery: | hehe |
| [22:31:36] | sphery: | iamlindoro: but they believe in you! |
| [22:36:54] | DeviceZer0: | hmm...trying to get channel icons..as expected it doesnt find them all..but when searching manually...it doesnt find anything...even for popular channels. For instance the channel actionmax(cinemax action channel) when I search for action or cinemax..nothing shows up |
| [22:37:08] | DeviceZer0: | any ideas why...even when searching "cinemax" nothing shows up? |
| [22:40:04] | sphery: | it = mythtv-setup? |
| [22:40:14] | DeviceZer0: | its not finding any thing when manually searching. so far it wont find any matches for: cinemax, hbo, bbc, comedy central.... |
| [22:40:19] | DeviceZer0: | sphery, yea |
| [22:40:50] | DeviceZer0: | it did its auto find...now its asking to manually enter a search...which I do...then hit search and it says "no match found for <search>" |
| [22:41:55] | sphery: | http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9021 |
| [22:44:05] | DeviceZer0: | hmm |
| [22:44:36] | DeviceZer0: | not sure thats the same.... |
| [22:45:07] | sphery: | you'd need to find the actual icon on lyngsat that it's supposed to use to find out |
| [22:45:14] | sphery: | but I'll bet it's the same |
| [22:45:49] | sphery: | the mythtv-setup implementation of the channel icon search has always been lacking, though |
| [22:47:19] | DeviceZer0: | even finding the exact name and copy pasting it results in nothing |
| [22:47:30] | sphery: | what is the name |
| [22:48:42] | DeviceZer0: | for instance...comedy central hd's icon is called: Comedy Central HD (us). In mythtv setup searching for "comedy central", "comedy central hd", "comedy central us", "comedy central hd us", "comedy central (us)", and "comedy central hd (us)" all result in nothing |
| [22:48:47] | DeviceZer0: | http://www.lyngsat-logo.com/tv/c_34.html |
| [22:49:06] | DeviceZer0: | 3rd icon down all the way on the right |
| [22:50:03] | sphery: | well, the hires icons aren't in our database |
| [22:50:09] | sphery: | that would be the problem there, likely |
| [22:50:26] | sphery: | (i.e. those with only an "H" icon above them) |
| [22:50:35] | sphery: | we only have the "A" ones |
| [22:51:16] | sphery: | and since they seem to be actively dropping A ones, our DB is likely way out of date |
| [22:51:16] | DeviceZer0: | hmm |
| [22:51:23] | DeviceZer0: | is there a better way to get icons? |
| [22:54:00] | sphery: | you should try the perl script and if it can't find it, then there are various approaches you can use to fix the script |
| [22:54:09] | DeviceZer0: | hmm ok. |
| [22:54:18] | sphery: | and, since fixing the service seems inordinately resistant to change... |
| [22:54:33] | sphery: | my preference would be for you to write a nice python-bindings-based script that allows users to update it |
| [22:54:44] | DeviceZer0: | also...are the osd theme and system theme still changable? |
| [22:54:57] | DeviceZer0: | or if you choose a theme...it always uses that themes osd? |
| [22:55:22] | DeviceZer0: | I dont know python...so unfortunately that wont be happening lol |
| [22:55:27] | sphery: | there's only one theme |
| [22:55:39] | sphery: | I don't know python, but I've hacked my way through several scripts |
| [22:55:50] | DeviceZer0: | I thought you used to be able to change the ods themes independent of the actual mythtv theme |
| [22:55:55] | sphery: | easy enough to do with the docs wagn errp put on the wiki and some of the other python scripts to use as examples |
| [22:56:15] | sphery: | yes, when there were 2 different themes you could |
| [22:56:17] | sphery: | now there's just one |
| [22:56:27] | sphery: | and it contains ui and osd |
| [22:56:39] | sphery: | because now the ui and osd are /both/ done by the same theming engine |
| [22:56:42] | sphery: | and the same code |
| [22:56:49] | sphery: | meaning you get the same theme inside and outside playback |
| [22:57:01] | DeviceZer0: | ah ok. |
| [23:00:01] | DeviceZer0: | sphery, which perl script where you referring to? |
| [23:02:57] | skd5aner: | whoa... futurama seasons are confusing |
| [23:03:12] | skd5aner: | they have production seasons, and broadcast seasons... and they overlap :/ |
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| [23:04:36] | skd5aner: | so "volume 4" of the DVD is actually the 4'th production season, but the last 4 episodes of the 4'th broadcast season and the full 5'th broadcast season |
| [23:04:40] | skd5aner: | makes total sense :S |
| [23:05:37] | skd5aner: | and, they decided NOT to put the episodes in broadcast order on the disc |
| [23:05:42] | skd5aner: | discs |
| [23:05:52] | skd5aner: | and I don't even mean the title order |
| [23:06:45] | sphery: | DeviceZer0: https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/tree/fixes/0 . . . ster_iconmap |
| [23:07:26] | sphery: | DeviceZer0: don't use the master_iconmap stuff, though |
| [23:07:31] | sphery: | just run the script interactively |
| [23:11:37] | skd5aner: | actually, disc one order for "volume 4" is s05e05, s04e05, s04e04, s05e06.... in that order.... hmmm, wtf Matt Groening? |
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| [23:33:56] | LTHorn: | I have a question for anyone who uses comcast. I am going through the process of purchasing it online and it gives me 3 choices: |
| [23:34:30] | LTHorn: | digital service. hd receiver. hd dvr |
| [23:35:00] | wizbit: | can a xbox 360 play mythtv recordings via upnp ? |
| [23:35:18] | LTHorn: | I'm going to have a infinitv which do I select? just the default digital would give me hd tv right? |
| [23:36:32] | sphery: | wizbit: basically no... XB360 doesn't support MPEG-2 via UPnP (only in DVDs) and doesn't support NUV at all. If you have an H.264 recorder or live in an area where there's H.264 broadcasts, you might be able to make it work |
| [23:38:09] | wizbit: | oh ok, my friend moved his myth box into the attic, i think he now needs a frontend |
| [23:39:27] | DeviceZer0: | sphery, same thing with manually running the perl script :( |
| [23:39:55] | sphery: | DeviceZer0: yeah, it sounds like it's just are db is way out of date |
| [23:40:00] | sphery: | s/are/our/ |
| [23:40:05] | DeviceZer0: | guess I wont be having channel icons. oh well. |
| [23:40:21] | DeviceZer0: | mythtv keeps its own database from that website? |
| [23:40:59] | sphery: | yes, so we didn't have to page-scrape 2M pages on the lyngsat website for every single request |
| [23:41:02] | sphery: | :) |
| [23:41:36] | sphery: | but even though many have tried to get the db updated, it hasn't been possible due to various not important reasons |
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| [23:42:21] | DeviceZer0: | ah. I guess its nessisary to stop hammering the site...but I guess this is one issue too..that it gets out of sync |
| [23:42:24] | sphery: | so the best bet is a new python-based script ( http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Python_Bindings ) that will a) allow users to specify any valid file and b) possibly just search through a "local" copy of the "database" |
| [23:42:49] | sphery: | then I'll delete the perl one |
| [23:43:22] | sphery: | I'll bet that it takes about 3 lines to update the channel icon using python bindings |
| [23:43:38] | sphery: | so all that's left is a script to either do command-prompt or gui interaction with the user |
| [23:43:51] | sphery: | (gui would be nice since it could allow the user to view the icons, too) |
| [23:44:49] | DeviceZer0: | yea. would be nice |
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