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| [00:00:35] | wagnerrp: | thats not likely something that will get better without interfacing with the decoder chip |
| [00:00:55] | MrFluffy: | but that is with the kernel fbdev framebuffer output in xorg, and running under enlightenment with some things I can remove to try and optimise things |
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| [00:01:59] | wagnerrp: | you should be considerably better off if you can get opengles working |
| [00:02:02] | MrFluffy: | so, plan, build a newer kernel, try and compile the SGX stuff into it, compile nfs (they missed nfs out their kernel... bah) and tinker with it until its good enough for my wife to watch tv in her sewing room with :) |
| [00:02:45] | MrFluffy: | I think the sgx drivers are opengles |
| [00:03:01] | bonelifer: | I have a PVR-500 and a HDHomeRun, right now I've got separate "input connection" for each. In LIVE TV, I only see the PVR channels as I browse with the UP-DOWN key on the keyboard, I have to manually enter the HDHRs. Do I need separate "input connection" profiles or am I missing something to combine them in the LIVE TV module? |
| [00:03:54] | wagnerrp: | there should be an option somewhere to 'browse between multiple sources' |
| [00:04:01] | MrFluffy: | Theres a option in the frontend gui "show channels on all tuners" or similar isnt there? |
| [00:04:02] | wagnerrp: | although i dont know where, and it may have since been removed |
| [00:04:49] | MrFluffy: | Or you can press M and switch the inputs to the other tuners manually |
| [00:05:07] | wagnerrp: | or bind a key to NEXT_INPUT |
| [00:05:15] | wagnerrp: | the general response is 'dont use livetv' |
| [00:05:39] | wagnerrp: | since changing between multiple tuners like that is disruptive towards recordings |
| [00:05:59] | MrFluffy: | Ive been telling my wife that for years now... |
| [00:07:10] | bonelifer: | ok, the other thing I have is: in trying to get the HDHomeRun working for me I have added and deleted it multiple times(yeah probably shouldn't have), now on the mythweb Backend Status page it shows each tuner twice. Something to ignore and assume some sort of cache or what? |
| [00:07:15] | MrFluffy: | One thing I have noticed since the dvb card went in is if you start multiple front ends up, and they start channels on the same multiplex they get the same tuner and seem locked to it, Ive worked round that by setting number of channels per multiplex to 1, but it seems a waste... |
| [00:07:32] | wagnerrp: | bonelifer: no, that is normal... multirec and virtual tuners at work |
| [00:07:53] | wagnerrp: | one digital tuner can record the entire multiplex at once, not just a single program stream within that data stream |
| [00:08:08] | wagnerrp: | mythtv allows up to five virtual tuners per physical tuner, for up to five simultaneous recordings |
| [00:08:24] | bonelifer: | ok, one my other attempts it only showed one of each, but you know those times all it gave me was static, think it was because I had it using the same input connection profile as the PVR |
| [00:08:29] | MrFluffy: | yes, but any front ends which end up on the same multiplex dont seem to be able to select channels outside that multiplex without manually changing the backend tuner in use |
| [00:09:15] | wagnerrp: | if multiple virtuals are in use simultaneous, any livetv instance is not allowed to change channels outside that multiplex |
| [00:09:26] | MrFluffy: | thats the issue I found |
| [00:09:51] | MrFluffy: | and any new frontends which sign on, get the already multiplexed tuner by default it seems |
| [00:10:06] | ** sphery thinks we shouldn't be configuring multirec by default ** | |
| [00:10:35] | MrFluffy: | so I get complaints of "cbeebies has disappeared" when I go in and manually select another dvb tuner and it appears for them... |
| [00:10:55] | bonelifer: | finally hopefully a stable system again after making the mistake of upgrading my system to 11.10 via the builtin system rather than a Mythbuntu disc. |
| [00:11:05] | sphery: | (as users then are confused by multiple virtual tuners per physical, and if users don't want multirec they have to disable it and the current code makes a hole in numbers, and users end up complaining that they get locked on a mux in livetv) |
| [00:11:38] | sphery: | the last being what you guys are just now discussing |
| [00:12:05] | MrFluffy: | I just set virtual max tuners =1 physical to avoid the discussions with the users :) |
| [00:12:13] | MrFluffy: | but it seemed a waste of perfectly good capacity |
| [00:12:37] | MrFluffy: | we have no off the air capability, its all via the mythbackend... |
| [00:12:40] | sphery: | yeah, I disable multirec because I don't need it and it wouldn't help me |
| [00:13:10] | sphery: | IMHO, it's not "capacity" that I disabled, but a software workaround for what is really a hardware problem :) |
| [00:13:32] | MrFluffy: | bonelifer: Treasure that stability while you can hold onto it for as long as you can :) |
| [00:13:47] | sphery: | especially when things aren't likely to line up properly on the same mux except occasionally |
| [00:13:59] | sphery: | meaning that you really /do/ need additional virtual tuners if you want to record more |
| [00:14:09] | MrFluffy: | sphery: yes but Im still stuck in the single card per tuner days and see multiple streams as precious resource :) |
| [00:14:21] | MrFluffy: | we have four dvb cards on the same satelite, so thats not really a issue |
| [00:14:32] | sphery: | me and my 6 physical tuners say that multirec is highly overrated |
| [00:15:00] | sphery: | how many channels are there on a typical mux on satellite? |
| [00:15:11] | bonelifer: | only bad thing is the shows I had edited were on the main disk and therefore now gone. :( So now to remedy that so in the future commercial edited shows end up on disk 2. |
| [00:15:44] | MrFluffy: | Oh... no backup, I have also encountered pain from family for that one in the past :) |
| [00:15:59] | MrFluffy: | I paid for one hd to be rebuilt in a clean room once :) |
| [00:16:13] | bonelifer: | my own fault, live and learn. |
| [00:16:33] | MrFluffy: | I dont know for certain, Ill look at channels.conf now tho |
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| [00:17:19] | MrFluffy: | Theres 460 on 27500000 |
| [00:17:53] | MrFluffy: | grep 27500 /root/.szap/channels.conf |wc -l, I am terminally lazy :) |
| [00:18:37] | bonelifer: | now that I've got it(HDHR) up and working that was the best $50 + 5 S&H I've spent |
| [00:19:00] | sphery: | how big are their channels? |
| [00:19:03] | MrFluffy: | I think most of them are encrypted stuff , and I have no cam equipment, nor any desire to watch them, but there are probably 20–30 channels I pick up from that one frequency |
| [00:19:12] | sphery: | I'm guessing lots of that is radio? |
| [00:20:00] | MrFluffy: | its about 50/50 with stuff that identifies itself in the epg and random numbers, not so much radio |
| [00:20:15] | sphery: | on 6MHz channels for OTA and cable, you can fit one good digital HDTV channel and a reasonable SDTV channel (or double that for QAM) |
| [00:20:20] | MrFluffy: | but some of them are late night porn channels that share slots with sports channels in the day etc |
| [00:21:08] | sphery: | so unless they have a huge channel, that must be either audio only or other very-low-bitrate content (such as bad-quality video) |
| [00:21:12] | MrFluffy: | Im not that well up on the specifics of how wide the channels are etc, I just plugged the card in, got the tbs drivers working and was shocked when everything just worked |
| [00:21:20] | MrFluffy: | Not many of them are hd, thats for sure |
| [00:22:02] | sphery: | just curious' |
| [00:22:24] | sphery: | could also be that satellite tuning works differently and actually tunes multiple "channels" |
| [00:22:25] | MrFluffy: | its for astra 1d coverage if your curious |
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| [00:23:22] | MrFluffy: | no, because the multiplex can record any of those channels from the same stream I think, its just that most the content is on one or two tunings, so when your on the oddball one, hardly any channels are available for the other frontends on the same mux |
| [00:23:41] | bonelifer: | of the qam-256 channels 83,84,88 carry the 13 unencrypted channels I can get. was surprised. |
| [00:24:22] | MrFluffy: | I have a quad lnb arm and some more quad lnb's to go on tommorrow, so things will no doubt become even more complex :) |
| [00:24:50] | MrFluffy: | 80mm diameter cable conduit to carry all the cables from the dish to the rack :) |
| [00:24:55] | wagnerrp: | yeah, most cable lineups are like that |
| [00:25:09] | wagnerrp: | the local unencrypted broadcast channels are clumped onto a handful of multiplexes |
| [00:25:38] | wagnerrp: | i read 80cm conduit at first |
| [00:25:46] | MrFluffy: | I live in a non english speaking region, which is how we ended up using no off the air stuff because its all in foriegn :) |
| [00:26:28] | bonelifer: | ah, I hate the idea of crawling under our house, but I need to rerun the cable. Hopefully it wil be good weather wise in Jan or Feb. But once done I'm hopeing to not only get rid of static that sometimes hits the LCD's but also slightly up Cable modem speed. |
| [00:27:11] | MrFluffy: | I just used my jcb and put one big huge trench in before we laid the floor , job done :) |
| [00:27:30] | bonelifer: | this house was built in the 1940's. |
| [00:27:46] | MrFluffy: | this was built around the 1800's and served most of its time as a cow barn ;) |
| [00:28:24] | bonelifer: | I'm lucky it wasn't built on a slab of concrete and that there is crawl space accessible from outside under the original part of the house. |
| [00:28:55] | MrFluffy: | if you can pull cable for your network while your at it, you'll have less myth issues over time |
| [00:29:44] | MrFluffy: | you were talking about a shared directory before for user themes, why not expand that concept to other things as generic stores? |
| [00:29:54] | wagnerrp: | may as well run a bundle of fiber if youre tearing up the walls |
| [00:29:57] | bonelifer: | we thought the walls were plaster on lath(sp?), turns out plaster on solid boards, with just a little air space between them, which makes sense, since the sledge hammers were bouncing off them. |
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| [00:30:10] | MrFluffy: | that was to the people talking about it earlier to avoid confusion |
| [00:30:14] | wagnerrp: | if you intend to be there for a while, never know when it might come in handy |
| [00:30:21] | bonelifer: | FIBER, LOL, not here, not in my life time. |
| [00:30:31] | wagnerrp: | bonelifer: why not? |
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| [00:30:49] | wagnerrp: | how much longer do you expect to live? |
| [00:31:00] | MrFluffy: | I have a shared nfs directory which I put my mame stuff in etc in a similar way to be shared round the frontends, Its called mythstatic on the nfs server... |
| [00:31:01] | bonelifer: | Arkansas, FIBER, just doesn't seem likely for residental at least anytime soon. |
| [00:31:13] | MrFluffy: | fibre is a pain to pull in and terminate yourself though isnt it? |
| [00:31:15] | wagnerrp: | i wouldnt be surprised to see fiber networking become common for residential users in 10 years |
| [00:31:37] | bonelifer: | I know the High School has it and that there is some here for businesses, but hell ATT doesn't even have DSL here. |
| [00:31:37] | wagnerrp: | everything is a pain to pull, because you have to tear up the walls to do so |
| [00:31:47] | wagnerrp: | if youre already doing so, why not run it |
| [00:31:47] | MrFluffy: | I pulled stp in because you can do that yourself with standard tools |
| [00:31:56] | wagnerrp: | you dont have to terminate that now |
| [00:32:06] | wagnerrp: | just run the cable, and terminate it when you get equipment to use it |
| [00:32:10] | MrFluffy: | plus you can carry other signals over stp, audio, wired automations etc |
| [00:32:53] | wagnerrp: | STP... as in high grade CAT6? |
| [00:33:11] | MrFluffy: | or do silly things like use one pair for ethernet, and a second pair for telephone etc, yes shielded twisted pair |
| [00:33:16] | bonelifer: | I was planning to run either Cat5e or Cat6 as well. |
| [00:33:33] | MrFluffy: | 100base only uses two of the conductors |
| [00:33:40] | wagnerrp: | UTP is out of the question for most audio, unless youre buying high end balanced equipment |
| [00:33:51] | wagnerrp: | STP wouldnt be bad, but traditional coax would still be better |
| [00:33:58] | MrFluffy: | yes but the baluns are fairly easy to get hold of now |
| [00:34:07] | MrFluffy: | here they sell them for the consumer units |
| [00:34:25] | MrFluffy: | they sell them to send satelite signal distributed to each room from the consumer unit over stp! |
| [00:34:26] | wagnerrp: | of course most speaker runs are just straight 12–14 gauge wire |
| [00:34:32] | MrFluffy: | How that works out, I have no idea... |
| [00:34:50] | wagnerrp: | yeah... dont know about that one |
| [00:35:02] | wagnerrp: | satellite signals are ~950–2100MHz |
| [00:35:07] | MrFluffy: | its mandatory in teh wiring code, i had to fit one and connect it to nothing to pass |
| [00:35:14] | wagnerrp: | CAT6a is only supposed to be used up to 550MHz |
| [00:35:40] | bonelifer: | I really need to do a rough sketch of the house and mark out everything. so much going through my head, need to get it straight before I hit up the bank account. :) |
| [00:36:01] | MrFluffy: | just dont get carried away and buy x10 kit, because.. its rubbish :) |
| [00:36:16] | wagnerrp: | CAT7 is rated for 1GHz, good enough for cable, but still not enough for satellite |
| [00:36:50] | MrFluffy: | I wont use it anyway, we have mythfrontends everywhere, and that cursed live tv :) |
| [00:37:38] | MrFluffy: | I cant believe after all these years nobody has made a myth capable tv. But I guess dnla will get you close... |
| [00:38:09] | MrFluffy: | maybe someone will hack the samsungs that run linux inside |
| [00:38:11] | wagnerrp: | mythtv isnt big enough to give reason to produce hardware support |
| [00:38:31] | wagnerrp: | and tvs are embedded systems not adequate for mythtv's needs anyway |
| [00:39:06] | wagnerrp: | a halfway decent arm, nice graphics chip, and plenty of memory would get you there |
| [00:39:17] | wagnerrp: | but you still need decoder support |
| [00:39:30] | MrFluffy: | codecs, thats going to be fun under armel I think... |
| [00:39:53] | wagnerrp: | and it needs to be decoder support that you can submit back upstream, not NDA encumbered |
| [00:40:37] | bonelifer: | well food time, need to setup tuner priorities later. |
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| [00:42:30] | MrFluffy: | there was some hauppage tv thing you could run native myth on wasnt there, but it was a bit underpowered irrc |
| [00:43:04] | wagnerrp: | there is the mediamvp |
| [00:43:10] | wagnerrp: | and the mediamvphd |
| [00:43:26] | wagnerrp: | but as far as i know, they ran their own 3rd party frontend, not mythtv |
| [00:43:31] | MrFluffy: | Its the mvp I was thinking about, I nearly bought one |
| [00:43:52] | MrFluffy: | no, there was a myth firmware released for them, overwriting the oem one |
| [00:44:59] | MrFluffy: | it was mvpmc |
| [00:45:06] | wagnerrp: | custom firmware? yes... supporting myth? yes... actually myth? no.... http://www.mvpmv.org |
| [00:45:21] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mpvmc.org |
| [00:45:26] | wagnerrp: | bah |
| [00:45:31] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mvpmc.org |
| [00:47:02] | MrFluffy: | I assumed by the way it had mythtv plasted all over, it was actually myth, but I baulked at buying some because I thought the hardware wouldn't be enough |
| [00:47:02] | wagnerrp: | if it were actally myth, it wouldnt be |
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| [00:47:12] | MrFluffy: | sort of xbmc does myth, which brings its own issues |
| [00:47:57] | MrFluffy: | On 0.23 I had a issue if you power cycled a xbmc frontend connected to it, instead of gracefully coming out, it tied up that tuner indefinitely... |
| [00:48:22] | MrFluffy: | so I fudged some hacky monitoring daemon instead of fixing it properly :) |
| [00:55:32] | MrFluffy: | so do you think the loss of sync between the recording video and sound when streaming to the frontends is a actual bug rather than something stupid Ive done? |
| [00:55:32] | MrFluffy: | and if its in the frontend side, it wont show up in myth log will it... |
| [00:56:18] | MrFluffy: | Ill try the frontend under -v all and log it to a file tomorrow I think. |
| [01:03:49] | wagnerrp: | where does this loss of sync? mythtv? some other application? which machines? |
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| [01:12:39] | MrFluffy: | the mythfrontend's loose audio sync and the quality goes to pot when streaming a program from the backend but if you skip in the stream it resyncs |
| [01:13:13] | MrFluffy: | Ill try the frontends in verbose debug mode tomorrow and see if there is any clues in that, its past 2am now here. |
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| [01:14:59] | wagnerrp: | MrFluffy: most audio sync issues we hear are caused by pulseaudio |
| [01:15:23] | wagnerrp: | for a dedicated mythtv box, there is no reason to use pulseaudio |
| [01:15:35] | wagnerrp: | for a desktop also used for mythtv, there is still little reason to use pulseaudio |
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| [01:16:19] | MrFluffy: | its not pulse, that didn't get changed as part of the change from 0.23 to 0.24, I *think*... |
| [01:16:25] | MrFluffy: | maybe it did. |
| [01:16:49] | MrFluffy: | it doesn't happen until 20–30 minutes into the stream though |
| [01:17:08] | MrFluffy: | Ill check around there too, thanks for the tip |
| [01:18:31] | wagnerrp: | if pulse is installed, and you dont see indications in the log that mythtv is disabling it during playback |
| [01:18:36] | wagnerrp: | expect that to be your culprit |
| [01:19:54] | MrFluffy: | the sound goes, how can I explain this, metallic at first, rather than out of sync |
| [01:20:11] | wagnerrp: | analog audio or digital passthrough? |
| [01:20:14] | MrFluffy: | and it gets noisier and noiser as time goes on, its like some weird codec error |
| [01:20:17] | MrFluffy: | analog |
| [01:20:28] | wagnerrp: | from what type of card? |
| [01:20:45] | MrFluffy: | Audio device: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] Azalia Audio Controller |
| [01:20:53] | wagnerrp: | input, i mean |
| [01:21:07] | MrFluffy: | the input is digital |
| [01:21:16] | MrFluffy: | but its not on the input |
| [01:21:30] | MrFluffy: | if I rewind the stream when it happens, it plays clean |
| [01:21:37] | MrFluffy: | so the file on disk is fine |
| [01:23:14] | MrFluffy: | hmmm theyre all the same hardware, so it could be pulse related to the hw, Ill try the amd box... |
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| [01:23:52] | MrFluffy: | 2.30am, I best pick it up tomorrow, thanks for the steerage |
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| [01:26:59] | MrShake: | evenin folks |
| [01:27:32] | MrShake: | quick question.... I've got my mythtv box sending audio over HDMI while in the mythtv frontend, anyone know how to enable it for everything else? such as youtube vids in the browser? |
| [01:27:37] | MrShake: | running mythbuntu 11.10 |
| [01:28:02] | wagnerrp: | configure it as the default output in ALSA |
| [01:28:19] | MrShake: | where is that setting at... do you know/ |
| [01:28:28] | MrShake: | 11.10 is just different enough that I'm getting a bit lost |
| [01:29:07] | wagnerrp: | wouldnt know |
| [01:29:11] | wagnerrp: | ubuntu or mythbuntu? |
| [01:30:05] | MrShake: | mythbuntu |
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| [01:51:24] | sphery: | wagnerrp: excellent reply and summary of reasons why "infinite configurability" becomes problematic |
| [01:53:16] | wagnerrp: | im going to post another response with the conclusions decided upon above, and see what the response to them is |
| [01:54:07] | sphery: | yeah, we probably should clean up the mess, somehow, even if it's disruptive |
| [01:54:16] | sphery: | (the mess that is mysql.txt and config.xml) |
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| [01:54:37] | sphery: | and if we drop mysql.txt, it makes sense to make any config.xml changes at the same time (one big disruption versus 2 smaller ones) |
| [01:55:14] | wagnerrp: | IIRC, mysql.txt can be used for settings overrides? |
| [01:55:23] | wagnerrp: | beyond the LocalHostName thing |
| [01:55:51] | sphery: | there's a way to do it, but not sure if it's /in/ mysql.txt or elsewhere |
| [01:55:58] | sphery: | it's oldsettings.* |
| [01:56:12] | sphery: | I'd love to remove that, too |
| [01:56:27] | sphery: | we have at least 3 implementations of settings code |
| [01:56:31] | wagnerrp: | i dont think that would be a big issue |
| [01:56:44] | sphery: | oldsettings, (main) settings, and http settings |
| [01:56:45] | wagnerrp: | considering there is the --override-settings and --override-settings-file that can be used instead |
| [01:57:03] | sphery: | yeah, I think --override-settings-file may be where the oldsettings stuff is used |
| [01:57:32] | sphery: | (I had always thought it was a separate file, not mysql.txt, but never actually looked into it since I can't see any reason to use it--even for a developer) |
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| [02:17:43] | wagnerrp: | sphery: what about things like custom menus that also go in ~/.mythtv/ currently? |
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| [02:38:27] | sphery: | still be there? |
| [02:38:36] | sphery: | or are you saying distro-customized ones? |
| [02:39:08] | wagnerrp: | just in general |
| [02:39:19] | wagnerrp: | would those be kept in $HOME/$MYTHCACHEDIR |
| [02:39:29] | wagnerrp: | or would those go with the configuration data |
| [02:39:37] | wagnerrp: | same with things like ttvdb.conf |
| [02:39:44] | sphery: | IMHO, they're not really config |
| [02:39:52] | sphery: | just like themes aren't |
| [02:40:14] | sphery: | ttvdb.conf would be config, though |
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| [03:06:09] | wagnerrp: | several months later, and another lincoln ad using the same song about 70s porn |
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| [03:20:03] | sphery: | hehe, which song is that? |
| [03:20:13] | wagnerrp: | Paradise Circus |
| [03:20:20] | sphery: | funny |
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| [06:42:39] | mfroes: | hi guys is there a way i can configure mythtv server via commandline? mythtv-setup requires X |
| [06:42:49] | wagnerrp: | you have an X server somewhere, correct? |
| [06:43:58] | mfroes: | it should. i have installed the fluxbox package there.. :D |
| [06:44:33] | wagnerrp: | i mean in order to play the content, you need a frontend |
| [06:44:42] | wagnerrp: | and in order to run the frontend, you need an X server |
| [06:44:44] | mfroes: | ahh yes |
| [06:44:54] | mfroes: | on my windows machine |
| [06:45:36] | wagnerrp: | well... dont have any counter to that |
| [06:45:52] | wagnerrp: | i was going to suggest you just forward mythtv-setup to a remote X server |
| [06:45:56] | wagnerrp: | but windows wont have one |
| [06:46:13] | mfroes: | i am installing tightvnc |
| [06:46:35] | mfroes: | maybe configuring a virtual screen on X for it .. i`ll be able to connect on there ? |
| [06:46:47] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [06:46:55] | wagnerrp: | you dont need one when running the backend |
| [06:47:03] | wagnerrp: | but mythtv-setup needs an x server it can access somewhere |
| [06:47:21] | wagnerrp: | local, virtual, remote... it just needs to display somewhere |
| [06:47:48] | mfroes: | humm... it is compiling.. will know on a sec :S |
| [06:47:49] | wagnerrp: | there are plans to replace mythtv-setup with a web server built into the backend |
| [06:48:04] | wagnerrp: | but thats not likely to be finished for a while |
| [06:48:19] | mfroes: | wagnerrp, if the webadmin could do that.. would be great |
| [06:48:30] | mfroes: | or just something to deploy on tightttpd |
| [06:48:37] | mfroes: | lighttpd |
| [06:49:15] | wagnerrp: | no, but you could proxy the application through lighttpd, or write a new interface that accesses the services API |
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| [06:50:23] | mfroes: | i am planing on using the xbmc integration... lets see |
| [06:53:06] | mfroes: | wagnerrp, do you know if MythTv can stream to ps3 too ? |
| [06:53:36] | wagnerrp: | mythtv has a upnp server, but it does not do transcoding |
| [06:53:48] | wagnerrp: | so your content must exist on disk in a format the ps3 supports |
| [06:54:43] | mfroes: | humm... i think i`ll leave my mediatomb installation then.. it seems to be working fine... just need to put a higher prefetching from the usb hard drive |
| [06:54:45] | mfroes: | :S |
| [06:55:15] | wagnerrp: | what do you plan on recording from? |
| [06:56:07] | wagnerrp: | any digital recording will likely work |
| [06:56:20] | wagnerrp: | unless your broadcasters are using some funky kind of encoding |
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| [07:03:54] | mfroes: | DVB-T |
| [07:04:03] | mfroes: | a dual card |
| [07:13:53] | mfroes: | i am having a error on the setup "cannot login" |
| [07:14:19] | mfroes: | but i have set my correct port of mysql |
| [07:14:59] | wagnerrp: | what port did you set it to? |
| [07:15:19] | mfroes: | 3306 |
| [07:15:22] | mfroes: | tried blank |
| [07:15:35] | mfroes: | and with port number |
| [07:16:29] | wagnerrp: | did you actually create an account for mythtv to log into within mysql? |
| [07:17:03] | mfroes: | humm ... thats it then .. |
| [07:17:50] | wagnerrp: | please see the documentation on how to set up the initial database and create an account |
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| [07:34:22] | mfroes: | ok, i have created the user and everything |
| [07:34:34] | mfroes: | but now, it still says login failed |
| [07:35:09] | mfroes: | even tho i can connect through the command line " mysql -u mythth -Pmythtv " |
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| [07:37:10] | wagnerrp: | what ip address did you tell mythtv to access the database from? |
| [07:37:18] | mfroes: | localhost |
| [07:37:30] | mfroes: | the local ip: 192.168.1.66 |
| [07:37:37] | mfroes: | and loopback 127.0.0.1 |
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| [07:37:45] | wagnerrp: | you tried all three, none worked? |
| [07:38:11] | mfroes: | yeap ... |
| [07:38:15] | wagnerrp: | doesnt -P mean port? -p is password |
| [07:38:21] | mfroes: | i just saw on the logs: MSqlDatabase::OpenDatabase(), db object is not valid! |
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| [07:52:20] | sphery: | wagnerrp: re: your writeup, I'd rather see it with no MYTHCACHEDIR... I can't tell firefox to use some directory other than $HOME/.mozilla (nor xine ~/.xine, nor MPlayer ~/.mplayer, nor ...), so why should MythTV offer to allow anyone to? |
| [07:52:58] | sphery: | Since MythTV runs programs, and many of those programs need a proper HOME dir, I think we should just use $HOME/.mythtv for cache |
| [07:53:01] | wagnerrp: | ive got no string feelings one way or another on that one |
| [07:53:22] | wagnerrp: | strong |
| [07:53:33] | sphery: | yeah, I'd live with it if we have it, but I don't think it's necessary |
| [07:54:24] | sphery: | I think it's one of those "I'll just throw in a quick hack to allow me to do something I probably shouldn't do, and do it the lazy way" things that really shouldn't be there |
| [07:54:30] | wagnerrp: | my only reservation about this whole thing is how to handle upgrades from one to another in packages |
| [07:54:45] | sphery: | from one to another? |
| [07:54:56] | sphery: | like if they have a MYTHCONFDIR that moved stuff? |
| [07:55:02] | wagnerrp: | old location -> new location for config.xml |
| [07:55:11] | sphery: | ahh, yeah |
| [07:55:14] | wagnerrp: | and the mythconfdir/home stuff |
| [07:55:23] | sphery: | I have to admit I haven't worried about that--since I'm not a packager :) |
| [07:55:50] | wagnerrp: | im pretty free is what i can do using gentoo |
| [07:56:04] | wagnerrp: | although ebuilds are bash, and im no looking forward to doing such a thing in bash |
| [07:56:22] | wagnerrp: | id probably rather just package some python upgrade tool, and run that instead |
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| [07:58:48] | sphery: | after removing config.xml, there's no backend stuff in there, right? |
| [07:59:44] | wagnerrp: | at least in gentoo, the only thing that should be in /etc/mythtv/.mythtv/ would be stuff mythbackend wrote itself |
| [07:59:54] | wagnerrp: | which should all be scrapable |
| [08:00:12] | wagnerrp: | so it should just be a matter of moving the location of config.xml |
| [08:00:24] | sphery: | what stuff does mythbackend write to MYTHCONFDIR? |
| [08:00:31] | sphery: | besides config.xml |
| [08:01:24] | wagnerrp: | master backend should have channel icons |
| [08:01:34] | wagnerrp: | plus anything from the download cache |
| [08:01:42] | wagnerrp: | now that i think about it, gentoo would be broken |
| [08:01:42] | sphery: | .mythtv/tmp |
| [08:01:52] | sphery: | that's the only download cache, right |
| [08:02:02] | wagnerrp: | since mythtv-setup would be running a different HOME than mythbackend |
| [08:02:15] | sphery: | Cache-mythbackend-* is empty on all mine |
| [08:03:11] | wagnerrp: | ive got tons of stuff in my cache, artwork downloads and such |
| [08:03:47] | wagnerrp: | and the hardware profile |
| [08:04:51] | sphery: | ah, that must be post-0.24 stuff |
| [08:04:57] | sphery: | (I don't do jamu) |
| [08:05:43] | sphery: | anyway, mythbackend still needs a HOME, and I don't see why that temp cache stuff can't be written to HOME |
| [08:06:26] | wagnerrp: | well as listed, the only reason i could think of would be a packager wanting a single cache directory across multiple users |
| [08:06:44] | wagnerrp: | but i dont see why such redundant data should ever be a problem |
| [08:06:58] | wagnerrp: | theres no going to be enough of it to cause problems on any multi-user system |
| [08:07:07] | sphery: | yeah, it's generally small amounts of data |
| [08:07:16] | wagnerrp: | and any excessively small distro is going to be single-user anyway |
| [08:07:34] | sphery: | and, really, they should be running mythtv programs as a proper mythtv user, anyway, IMHO |
| [08:08:16] | sphery: | (or, more precisely, why would anyone run it as more than one user on the same host?) |
| [08:08:50] | wagnerrp: | multi-user desktop |
| [08:09:40] | sphery: | so, basically, running it as whoever's logged in--likely because of things changing ownership/permissions on devices (like consolekit and whatnot)? |
| [08:10:41] | wagnerrp: | why would you want to run the frontend as anyone other than the user currently logged in? |
| [08:11:13] | sphery: | I don't |
| [08:11:23] | sphery: | I run it as mythtv user, who's logged in |
| [08:11:51] | wagnerrp: | on your frontend, sure |
| [08:12:05] | wagnerrp: | im talking about a desktop or laptop, used for general computing purposes |
| [08:12:14] | sphery: | right, I understand |
| [08:12:49] | sphery: | I wasn't disagreeing, I was just identifying what you mean |
| [08:13:14] | sphery: | so I could understand why it might be run as different users at different times |
| [08:15:09] | sphery: | anyway, yeah, I think on there, even if there is duplication, it's not critical (and anything that shouldn't be duplicated--i.e. downloaded artwork or whatever where we don't want excessive strain on sources--would be going to real dirs (Video artwork dirs or whatever), meaning that the cache dir is probably just local copies sent by the backend from real dirs) |
| [08:15:32] | sphery: | and if a user really decided they couldn't live with having 2x the scratch space used, they could set up a shared HOME dir for mythtv |
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| [08:17:48] | sphery: | anyway, I have to get some sleep... should have been asleep a couple hours ago |
| [08:17:59] | sphery: | thanks for the discussion/being a sounding board |
| [08:18:08] | sphery: | appreciate the info |
| [08:18:26] | wagnerrp: | night |
| [08:19:09] | mfroes: | downgraded mysql... and it seems that the setup works now.. but i get thi error..... Table 'mythconverg.settings' doesn't exist |
| [08:19:14] | mfroes: | should i create it manually ? |
| [08:20:43] | mfroes: | it already exists |
| [08:20:49] | wagnerrp: | you should currently have an empty database with a couple tuning parameters and stock permissions set up |
| [08:20:58] | wagnerrp: | mythtv-setup will populate it from there |
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| [08:37:59] | dekarl: | wagnerrp: I'm looking forward to the web setup. running the setup as one user and the service as another makes it hard to dump configuration files to $HOME (the issues with xmltv setup on mythbuntu spring to mind) |
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| [09:32:46] | okolsi: | problem with mythcommflag, it doesn't like to rebuild seektables for videos anymore |
| [09:33:44] | okolsi: | mythcommflag --rebuild --file <FILE> --video just gives an error |
| [09:37:37] | wagnerrp: | what version of mythtv are you using? what is the error? |
| [09:41:28] | okolsi: | this is with latest trunk |
| [09:42:02] | okolsi: | error is: ERROR: --file requires that none of the following be defined |
| [09:42:07] | okolsi: | --chanid --jobid --video |
| [09:42:09] | okolsi: | --chanid --jobid --video |
| [09:42:27] | okolsi: | so it complaints about --video missing even though it is given |
| [09:42:27] | wagnerrp: | and 'mythcommflag --help video' ? |
| [09:42:38] | wagnerrp: | no, its complaining that you used video |
| [09:42:49] | wagnerrp: | --video, --file, and --chanid/--starttime are three independent modes |
| [09:44:09] | okolsi: | okay, so using only --video works |
| [09:44:16] | okolsi: | thanks! :) |
| [09:44:48] | okolsi: | old habbits die hard, this used to work somewhere in time |
| [09:47:17] | wagnerrp: | 0.24 and previous |
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| [17:13:53] | wagnerrp: | sphery: what do you say to having a directive in config.xml that points to the configuration directory |
| [17:13:59] | wagnerrp: | rather than MYTHCONFDIR/MYTHCACHEDIR |
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| [17:15:54] | wagnerrp: | dekarl_afk: and dont some xmltv scripts store stuff in ~/.xmltv ? |
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| [18:05:55] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: well sadly, this autoconfigured python rpc thing is just too damn slow for handling data streams |
| [18:06:12] | wagnerrp: | which means it is wholly unsuited for dealing with stdin/stdout from multiple processes |
| [18:06:44] | wagnerrp: | dekarl: just curious, with regards to these people still insisting on mythbackend being run with no HOME |
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| [18:07:09] | wagnerrp: | i recall you mentioned some difficulty dealing with xmltv on mythbuntu, where they move HOME around |
| [18:08:06] | dekarl: | wagnerrp: yes, 7 grabbers use local caches ( ~/.xmltv/cache ) and 8 use supplemental files ( ~/.xmltv/supplement ) |
| [18:08:09] | m15k: | Anyone configured sundtek dvbc stick with mythtv? |
| [18:09:07] | wagnerrp: | dekarl: awesome... that means we cant support his wants right now due to upstream requirements |
| [18:09:24] | dekarl: | the difficulty was wrt the grabber configuration itself (xmltv default ~/.xmltv/<grabber>.conf ) which ends up in ~/.mythtv/<videosource>.xmltv with mythtv-setupo |
| [18:09:27] | wagnerrp: | m15k: mythtv doesnt support tuner cards, it just supports the generic Linux tuner APIs |
| [18:09:42] | wagnerrp: | if that devices works in linux, it is very likely it should work in mythtv |
| [18:09:44] | wagnerrp: | !url tuners |
| [18:09:44] | MythLogBot: | tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information |
| [18:10:01] | wagnerrp: | the linuxtv project ^^^ supports the tuner hardware directly |
| [18:10:09] | dekarl: | these arguments wrt serivce accounts not having userhomes is rubbish anyway... he should take a good look at his /etc/passwd ;) |
| [18:10:28] | wagnerrp: | yeah, they all have a home directory |
| [18:10:40] | wagnerrp: | its not a valid account without a home directory |
| [18:10:47] | wagnerrp: | they just point at a non-existent path |
| [18:10:49] | wagnerrp: | or an empty one |
| [18:11:44] | dekarl: | I'd argue the opposite... its not forbidden or unusual to have a home but never login |
| [18:12:28] | wagnerrp: | all you have to do is give it a not-runnable shell |
| [18:12:30] | wagnerrp: | and it cant login |
| [18:13:15] | m15k: | wagnerrp mh, the tuner is not supported out of the box, but with the sundtek driver it should be no problem to use it with linux. Got it to work on yavdr, but wanted to try myth. When I do a full scan there are some channels but all with "Time out, no signal" |
| [18:13:27] | dekarl: | there is even a special program for that... " nologin — politely refuse a login" |
| [18:14:14] | wagnerrp: | this driver is a kernel module? |
| [18:14:25] | wagnerrp: | please say its not LD_PRELOAD garbage |
| [18:14:42] | dekarl: | m15k: some users got them running DVB and analog. but mythtv has some quirks with DVB-C (or more correct DVB-C has some quirks in itself ;) |
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| [18:16:35] | m15k: | wagnerrp I'm not quite sure. |
| [18:17:06] | wagnerrp: | m15k: how does the driver work? is there a module that you 'modprobe <some driver>' to load? |
| [18:17:24] | wagnerrp: | or is there an application that you call that in turn runs yavdr |
| [18:17:40] | FabriceMG: | I'm not used to complaining, but for three days, the LiveTV has not been working well :( |
| [18:18:27] | wagnerrp: | em28xx... i thought that driver was included in the kernel sources |
| [18:19:00] | wagnerrp: | ah, its one of those 'full featured' drivers |
| [18:19:16] | dekarl: | m15k: for the DVB-C scan you'll have to manually enter *one* multiplex you want to scan, the rest should be found from the signal. |
| [18:19:16] | dekarl: | depending on your provider the data in the signal will be wrong... But just search at their support forum for mythtv and you'll see that it should basically work |
| [18:19:18] | wagnerrp: | with all sorts of video processing done before passing the stream onto the client application |
| [18:20:10] | dekarl: | wagnerrp: they done funky stuff like offer compression in the driver for the analog side at sundtek... |
| [18:21:15] | dekarl: | m15k: for exactly your symptoms and the solution look here http://support.sundtek.com/index.php/topic,21 . . . html#msg3553 |
| [18:21:16] | wagnerrp: | dekarl: well if it means mythtv gets a nice pre-compressed stream of video AND AUDIO, i couldnt care less |
| [18:21:51] | wagnerrp: | screw the CPU demands of on-the-fly compression of SD content, i just dont want to deal with the hassle of managing independent audio capture in mythtv |
| [18:21:52] | m15k: | dekarl the forum offers some sulution to add every channel on its own. I don't think thats an option for me :-/ |
| [18:21:55] | wagnerrp: | (or help others do so) |
| [18:22:09] | dekarl: | wagnerrp: exactly thats the intention to take care of audio/video sync at the place where people know the offsets |
| [18:22:34] | wagnerrp: | and more importantly, have access to the information needed to tell exactly which audio and which video device match up |
| [18:22:44] | wagnerrp: | even across reboots and realignments |
| [18:23:00] | dekarl: | m15k: thats not the link I sent you :D But it will likely be the answer when your provider sends wrong information. |
| [18:23:24] | m15k: | uuahhää :-/ |
| [18:23:42] | iamlindoro: | E_TOO_MANY_UMLAUTS |
| [18:24:15] | wagnerrp: | wouldnt those be... alauts? |
| [18:24:16] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [18:24:50] | wagnerrp: | hmm... umlaut is just the dots |
| [18:24:58] | wagnerrp: | i always thought it was specifically the dots above a u |
| [18:25:07] | dekarl: | actually a with diaresis |
| [18:25:31] | m15k: | import the w_scan channels.conf is not reommended, am I right? |
| [18:25:39] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [18:25:43] | dekarl: | shame on me... a with diaeresis |
| [18:26:00] | dekarl: | thats why we call them umlaut instead ;) |
| [18:26:00] | wagnerrp: | some things do not work properly when using a channels.conf |
| [18:26:05] | wagnerrp: | most namely, EIT data |
| [18:27:07] | m15k: | dodgy situation |
| [18:27:27] | dekarl: | m15k: the problem lies within the card/driver combination not supporting modulation autodetection (QAM_AUTO) but the german channel table uses that as german providers use various modulations (mostly QAM-64 and QAM-256) |
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| [18:31:16] | m15k: | So might it be possible to call the scan function from command line |
| [18:31:44] | dekarl: | does the solution I referred to not work? |
| [18:32:37] | m15k: | dekarl you mean the multiplex thing? |
| [18:33:18] | dekarl: | the full scan starting with a manually entered frequency |
| [18:34:29] | m15k: | Full Scan (tuned)? |
| [18:34:48] | dekarl: | sounds good. the important being the frequency and modulation (IIRC) |
| [18:36:16] | m15k: | But I coud only scan one frequency – no range, right? |
| [18:37:55] | dekarl: | the function scans only one frequency. then reads the information about other frequencies from that one frequency and only then it starts to scan all announced frequencies with the correct tuning parameters |
| [18:39:37] | dekarl: | the solution with scaning all frequencies one by one belongs to this problem http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7486 |
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| [18:41:12] | MrShake: | good afternoon all |
| [18:42:00] | MrShake: | I'm having a problem where when I click watch tv, the channel pops up and you see the lock % increasing for a brief time, then the entire frontend freezez for 3–5 minutes and never will display live tv |
| [18:42:30] | MrShake: | anyone have any thoughts? |
| [18:42:44] | wagnerrp: | you should be able to change channels during that period, to get to a working one |
| [18:42:54] | MrShake: | nope |
| [18:43:02] | MrShake: | the entire interface is frozen |
| [18:43:18] | MrShake: | I have to wait 5ish minutes befor it will take any input |
| [18:43:34] | MrShake: | and after that, the next channel has the same behavior |
| [18:43:39] | wagnerrp: | is this broadcast or cable?> |
| [18:43:46] | MrShake: | if I boot to windows on the same PC (dual boot) it works |
| [18:43:48] | MrShake: | broadcast |
| [18:43:59] | wagnerrp: | poor signal strength? |
| [18:44:26] | MrShake: | should have good signal strength |
| [18:44:52] | MrShake: | and i have gotten a ring buffer error a couple of times |
| [18:44:58] | MrShake: | after I wait |
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| [18:45:28] | wagnerrp: | well any such problem would be a recording problem, meaning you should be looking at your backend logs for an error |
| [18:45:41] | MrShake: | I can view recordings fine |
| [18:46:06] | wagnerrp: | yes, so playback works just fine |
| [18:46:11] | wagnerrp: | which is why i say its a recording issue |
| [18:46:23] | MrShake: | ok |
| [18:46:34] | wagnerrp: | (mythbackend has to record live tv for you to be able to play it back on the frontend) |
| [18:46:48] | MrShake: | frontend log is showing "RingBuf[path]: waited 0.2 seconds for data to become avaliable... |
| [18:46:50] | MrShake: | over and over |
| [18:46:56] | MrShake: | I'm tailing backend now |
| [18:47:09] | wagnerrp: | right, its waiting for the backend to start sending it data before it can do anything |
| [18:47:21] | MrShake: | I seee... |
| [18:47:28] | wagnerrp: | but the UI should remain responsive during that period to allow a channel change to something else |
| [18:47:33] | MrShake: | LoadFromCheduler(): Error, called from backend |
| [18:47:40] | MrShake: | yea, the UI is definatly locked up |
| [18:48:06] | MrShake: | I also see "Finished recording: Unknown: channel 1470 |
| [18:48:38] | wagnerrp: | unknown... meaning there is no guide data for it? |
| [18:48:41] | MrShake: | eventually, the UI goes black after the 3–5 minute wait |
| [18:48:54] | MrShake: | that seems to be what its saying, not sure why that is |
| [18:48:58] | MrShake: | I just ran a mythfilldatabase |
| [18:49:25] | wagnerrp: | does the channel have a callsign defined, or is the channel itself unknown? |
| [18:49:40] | MrShake: | callsign seems defined |
| [18:50:08] | MrShake: | I'll see what the guide looks like once the wait is over |
| [18:50:10] | MrShake: | hold on |
| [18:50:29] | wagnerrp: | usually if you get a callsign, mythfilldatabase is able to match it up with channels on your schedules direct account |
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| [18:50:35] | wagnerrp: | unless the callsign is slightly different |
| [18:50:43] | MrShake: | bear in mind... |
| [18:50:45] | wagnerrp: | - instead of _, or _DT versus _HD |
| [18:50:55] | MrShake: | this was working correctly yesterday afternoon |
| [18:51:07] | wagnerrp: | the guide data was? or recording was? |
| [18:51:08] | MrShake: | I was able to view channels and live tv just fine |
| [18:51:14] | MrShake: | guide data and recording |
| [18:51:20] | MrShake: | it was all behaving normally |
| [18:51:36] | MrShake: | I went to change to a local pbs station and it locked up for the first time |
| [18:52:16] | wagnerrp: | usually you see such behavior when using digital cable, and the cable provider alters their lineup |
| [18:52:24] | MrShake: | ok, I have the guide up |
| [18:52:36] | wagnerrp: | meaning mythtv locks to the multiplex, but the channel no longer exists to filter for |
| [18:52:49] | wagnerrp: | but seeing that on broadcast is significantly more rare |
| [18:52:50] | MrShake: | all the call signs are there |
| [18:52:53] | MrShake: | and program data is there |
| [18:52:55] | MrShake: | except for... |
| [18:53:24] | wagnerrp: | go into mythtv-setup, in the channel editor |
| [18:53:30] | MrShake: | 46–9 and 46–10 have no callsign and are "unknown" |
| [18:53:37] | wagnerrp: | make sure the option for 'EIT' is disabled |
| [18:53:44] | wagnerrp: | anything with no callsign and unknown data |
| [18:54:02] | wagnerrp: | you will need to go to the schedulesdirect website, mouse over that channel to get the xmltvid |
| [18:54:09] | wagnerrp: | and add that to the channel in the channel editor |
| [18:54:17] | wagnerrp: | so mythtv knows what it is, and can pull the proper guide data for it |
| [18:54:48] | MrShake: | I don't even see 46–9 and 46–10 in the schedulesdirect |
| [18:55:19] | wagnerrp: | have you scanned for channels recently? |
| [18:55:26] | MrShake: | yea, last night |
| [18:55:50] | wagnerrp: | those could potentially be unused channels, picked up by the channel scanner, but not actually broadcasting anything |
| [18:56:33] | wagnerrp: | if you dont think youre missing anything, just mark them as hidden, and change the starting channel for that input |
| [18:57:32] | MrShake: | I just deleted them in the channel editor |
| [18:58:12] | MrShake: | ok, mythfill just ran |
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| [18:58:14] | MrShake: | checking |
| [18:58:29] | wagnerrp: | better to mark them as hidden |
| [18:58:35] | MrShake: | WOOHOO!! TV! |
| [18:58:40] | wagnerrp: | if you delete them, they could well come back on the next scan |
| [18:58:43] | MrShake: | how do I mark them as hidden? |
| [18:58:52] | wagnerrp: | there should be a checkbox to do so in the channel editor |
| [18:58:58] | MrShake: | ok |
| [18:59:02] | MrShake: | I will look at that |
| [18:59:06] | MrShake: | thanks for your help! |
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| [19:00:31] | wagnerrp: | the UI _should_ be responsive in such a scenario... but it seems like one of those features that keeps getting fixed and re-broken |
| [19:00:47] | MrShake: | lol |
| [19:01:03] | MrShake: | well.. back to watching football |
| [19:01:04] | wagnerrp: | the problem would have resolved itself next time you recorded using that input, setting a new starting channel |
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| [19:01:22] | wagnerrp: | but would have broken again the next time you flipped through the channels and hit it |
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| [19:08:54] | MylesMan: | my backend wont connect mysqld.sock is throwing a fit, can som1 help |
| [19:09:13] | wagnerrp: | what is the specific error? |
| [19:09:23] | m15k: | dekarl seems to work, thanks |
| [19:09:28] | MylesMan: | one sec |
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| [19:10:45] | MylesMan: | cant connect to local server thru socket /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock |
| [19:11:07] | MylesMan: | it only just recently started happening |
| [19:11:26] | wagnerrp: | is your mysql server actually running? |
| [19:11:36] | wagnerrp: | is your mysql server on the same machine as your backend? |
| [19:12:34] | MylesMan: | yeah |
| [19:12:47] | MylesMan: | its a fe/be all in one |
| [19:13:06] | MylesMan: | and no mysql isnt running |
| [19:13:29] | wagnerrp: | if mysql isnt running, certainly mythbackend would not be able to connect to it |
| [19:13:37] | MylesMan: | its error 2000 |
| [19:14:02] | MylesMan: | thats what it says when i type mysql in terminal |
| [19:14:13] | wagnerrp: | 'mysql' is a client, not the server |
| [19:14:20] | MylesMan: | something about mysqld.sock |
| [19:14:20] | wagnerrp: | and you should not be running the server manually |
| [19:14:30] | wagnerrp: | you should be using the init script |
| [19:14:46] | MylesMan: | i usually dont have to |
| [19:15:09] | MylesMan: | its being flaky |
| [19:15:35] | wagnerrp: | that would be something for mysql or your distro to assist with |
| [19:15:43] | wagnerrp: | were just a mysql user at this current time |
| [19:15:55] | MylesMan: | ok |
| [19:16:16] | MylesMan: | what if i delete the .sock file |
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| [21:08:35] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: sad. |
| [21:09:18] | wagnerrp: | well im not using most of it |
| [21:09:38] | wagnerrp: | all i really want is a good way to manage remote commands |
| [21:10:30] | wagnerrp: | i tried setting up a helper utility to spawn a FIFO, open it, and pump it over stdout to another channel on the same SSH connection |
| [21:10:46] | wagnerrp: | but could never get it to flush properly |
| [21:11:08] | Beirdo: | import Drano; |
| [21:11:10] | wagnerrp: | beyond the horrible complexity of that "solution" |
| [21:11:30] | wagnerrp: | silly beirdo, where were programming, we dont need semicolons |
| [21:11:42] | Beirdo: | sorry, just habit |
| [21:11:52] | Beirdo: | at least it doesn't cause an error :) |
| [21:13:08] | wagnerrp: | yeah, its actually supported by undocumented |
| [21:13:16] | wagnerrp: | but |
| [21:13:22] | wagnerrp: | can be used to run multiple commands on one line |
| [21:13:26] | wagnerrp: | imagine that |
| [21:13:33] | Beirdo: | aye |
| [21:14:21] | wagnerrp: | its a shame i cant tie multiple channels to a single application |
| [21:14:51] | wagnerrp: | right now, you only get one input, one output, and one auxiliary pipe per channel |
| [21:15:05] | wagnerrp: | auxiliary gets used for stderr |
| [21:16:01] | wagnerrp: | so that means running a thread to multiplex several pickled streams though the one pipe |
| [21:16:15] | wagnerrp: | this is getting /way/ beyond the scope i had originally intended |
| [21:16:33] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [21:16:53] | Beirdo: | funny how crap keeps getting more complicated than expected |
| [21:17:13] | wagnerrp: | hey, once it hits a thousand lines... im done |
| [21:17:14] | wagnerrp: | :) |
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| [21:19:41] | Beirdo: | wuss |
| [21:19:42] | Beirdo: | :) |
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| [21:41:49] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I just don't get why users use mythvideo as a generic application launcher--when we have a generic application launcher... Perhaps it's because we call it MythGame instead of MythExecuteAnyScriptOrApplication |
| [21:42:43] | sphery: | also, as far as putting the cache/conf dir stuff in config.xml, if we're going to allow changing it, I'd prefer just putting it in the database with other settings (since the config.xml will tell us how to find the database) |
| [21:43:40] | wagnerrp: | fair enough |
| [21:43:51] | sphery: | and, if we do the thing I mentioned to jams (add a locale-based-settings-like distro-settings file), then distros could set it for the users |
| [21:44:10] | wagnerrp: | to be honest, i dont see why you would want to abuse mythgame for non-game tasks, even if it is largely a generic application launcher |
| [21:44:47] | sphery: | so, basically right now when a new user starts up, we check locale and based on locale, choose a locale settings file, then apply any not-already-set settings that are specified in that file... after that, we'd apply distro-based settings file |
| [21:45:08] | sphery: | well, it's better than abusing mythvideo for non-video tasks |
| [21:45:34] | sphery: | though both make little sense in the context you were talking about |
| [21:45:51] | wagnerrp: | sphery: you mean like a set of default values for various framerate and tuning parameters? |
| [21:45:55] | sphery: | anyway, if we remove external player support, there's still mythgame as a generic application launcher |
| [21:47:06] | sphery: | I mean have a location where a distro could place a file like these https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/tree/master/mythtv/locales to set distro-specific settings |
| [21:47:22] | sphery: | so they don't run random scripts in the packager to directly edit DB data |
| [21:47:51] | sphery: | (and that would also make sure the distro-specific settings are applied, even if the user deletes the package-created db) |
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| [21:48:31] | sphery: | not sure what settings, specifically, the distros are changing, but I know at least for the "appliance-like" ones, there are some |
| [21:50:15] | sphery: | wagnerrp: oh, btw, my statement above probably didn't explain this clearly, but I /do/ like the idea of using something other than an environment variable to specify the config/cache dir location if we're going to allow changing it |
| [21:50:15] | wagnerrp: | sphery: id rather see some other, extremely simplified application launcher get used rather than mythgame |
| [21:50:41] | sphery: | yeah, that makes sense--especially as mythgame gets more metadata support and such |
| [21:50:52] | wagnerrp: | database settings could be a bit difficult |
| [21:51:01] | sphery: | but it's basically "take mythgame, rip out a bunch of stuff, and you're done" to get one |
| [21:51:15] | wagnerrp: | unless there is some mechanism (like the override settings file) available to override them |
| [21:51:50] | sphery: | well, we'd still use config.xml (or whatever new name) for that |
| [21:51:56] | sphery: | just the MYTHCONFDIR would go away |
| [21:52:22] | sphery: | i.e. I hate the idea of using environment variables for permanent configuration stuf |
| [21:54:25] | wagnerrp: | you know, i thought one of the best things of doing away with mysql.txt would be the lack of bash users sourcing it for database access |
| [21:54:35] | wagnerrp: | but amazingly, hardly anyone actually does that |
| [21:55:02] | wagnerrp: | i suppose those with enough insight to recognize that is valid bash recognize that they shouldnt be using it? |
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| [22:08:03] | sphery: | another person on -users list telling us that EIT in the US is terrible... but there's up to 24 *hours* of data... Any real DVR only needs to know what's on now and next. |
| [22:08:41] | sphery: | probably another plant from the money-grubbing Schedules Direct people |
| [22:09:01] | sphery: | (I'm joking. My Schedules Direct subscription is the best $25/yr I spend.) |
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| [22:31:05] | jams: | sphery- packagers are not running random scripts as part of the setup. If they are running any scripts I'm pretty sure they know which ones are to be executed. |
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| [22:37:08] | sphery: | jams: right, didn't mean anything by random--just that different distros run different scripts |
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| [22:53:25] | squidly: | is there a way to limit how much CPU mythcomflag uses? |
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| [22:53:33] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [22:53:37] | wagnerrp: | there are three priority levels |
| [22:53:48] | wagnerrp: | default, low, and low with waits |
| [22:54:11] | squidly: | default uses all avaliable CPU I'm guessing? |
| [22:54:31] | wagnerrp: | default and low use as much CPU as the Linux task scheduler is willing to give it |
| [22:54:48] | wagnerrp: | or maybe its high, medium, and low |
| [22:55:13] | wagnerrp: | high just takes the existing nice level of the backend/jobqueue |
| [22:55:23] | wagnerrp: | medium renices to some low priority |
| [22:55:28] | squidly: | where do I change that? |
| [22:56:05] | wagnerrp: | while low is like medium, but introduces a microsleep between every frame... i forget just how large |
| [22:56:35] | wagnerrp: | to be honest, if you think you need to change it, i think you need a faster system |
| [22:56:47] | wagnerrp: | i dont recall where it is, jobqueue settings maybe |
| [22:57:31] | squidly: | well I'm having stability issues with my backend.. I think I have limited it down to mythcomflag. |
| [22:57:42] | wagnerrp: | stability how? |
| [22:57:54] | wagnerrp: | the whole system dies? mythbackend crashes? something else crashes? |
| [22:58:33] | squidly: | well.. This is also my primary file server. It runs iSCSI, ocfs2, LVM, DHCP and some apache servirces. I have a HDHomerunPrime. |
| [22:58:56] | squidly: | I did a lot of troubleshooting.. and the system will reboot when myth backend is runnign |
| [22:59:38] | wagnerrp: | when it reboots, does the backend automatically come back up? |
| [23:00:10] | squidly: | Yes.. it got a lot worse when I moved over to mostly HD recoardings |
| [23:00:39] | wagnerrp: | then there will be no evidence in the jobqueue table, youll have to check the logs to see if things were running |
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| [23:01:03] | wagnerrp: | what CPU? |
| [23:01:05] | squidly: | wagnerrp: I was watching it.. it just happened a few minutes ago several times |
| [23:01:21] | wagnerrp: | how much memory? |
| [23:01:32] | squidly: | Phenomd 2 x4 3.2G 4GB of ram |
| [23:02:00] | squidly: | it's also running a couple of pretty light VM's. One is my ipv6 router and the other is my voip system |
| [23:02:35] | squidly: | before I was having issues with the NIC driver (about 2 years ago) but I replaced the NIC with one I know to work well. |
| [23:02:45] | wagnerrp: | well any real time commflags will not be taking more than a single core |
| [23:03:08] | wagnerrp: | but any queued up for running after the recording will burn through two cores as fast as it possibly can |
| [23:03:29] | squidly: | I saw 4 of them running. (all at 100%) |
| [23:03:52] | wagnerrp: | you allow four simultaneous tasks? |
| [23:04:07] | wagnerrp: | id stick to no more than two |
| [23:04:16] | squidly: | ok where do I change that? |
| [23:04:29] | wagnerrp: | jobqueue settings, mythtv-setup |
| [23:04:46] | squidly: | kk |
| [23:04:50] | squidly: | the backend right? |
| [23:05:01] | wagnerrp: | whatever you're running a jobqueue on |
| [23:05:11] | squidly: | |
| [23:05:16] | squidly: | the backend then.. |
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| [23:05:30] | wagnerrp: | id also get a copy of memtest, run it overnight |
| [23:05:47] | squidly: | done |
| [23:05:54] | squidly: | several times.. that was my first thought really |
| [23:05:57] | wagnerrp: | if you dont get anything, configure your system so it will automatically boot into it so the next time it crashes, it goes right into memtest |
| [23:06:14] | squidly: | I did that as well.. |
| [23:06:18] | wagnerrp: | ive had an issue where certain hardware would heat up and become unstable |
| [23:06:20] | squidly: | ended up running memtest for a week |
| [23:06:31] | wagnerrp: | but memtest wasnt putting the kind of load on it that would stress that piece of hardware |
| [23:07:05] | wagnerrp: | if i caught it while that was already stressed to a crash, memtest would pick up issues |
| [23:07:53] | wagnerrp: | these are 2x2GB sticks? |
| [23:08:27] | squidly: | no they are 4x1GB sticks |
| [23:08:39] | wagnerrp: | single or double sided? |
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| [23:08:48] | squidly: | let me double check |
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| [23:09:27] | squidly: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227244 |
| [23:09:30] | squidly: | that is what I'm using |
| [23:11:03] | wagnerrp: | do you know what speed the system is running these at? |
| [23:11:15] | wagnerrp: | 1333 or 1066? |
| [23:11:30] | squidly: | let me double check |
| [23:11:53] | squidly: | 1066 Ungagned |
| [23:12:18] | wagnerrp: | well that blows that theory |
| [23:12:33] | squidly: | heh yea |
| [23:12:38] | squidly: | it just did it again |
| [23:12:54] | squidly: | this time it locked up |
| [23:13:01] | squidly: | nothing on monitor and USB was not responding.. |
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| [23:13:41] | wagnerrp: | the memory controller on the Phenom II is only rated for 2 ranks per channel at 1333MHz |
| [23:13:50] | wagnerrp: | for four or more, it drops to 1066MHz |
| [23:14:15] | squidly: | that is what I thought as well |
| [23:14:21] | squidly: | that is why I went the route I did |
| [23:14:29] | wagnerrp: | i was thinking you were still pushing it to 1333 on four ranks, and while stable in memtest, the combined heat from heavy CPU load took down the memory controller |
| [23:14:48] | squidly: | I also thought of the heat.. |
| [23:14:59] | squidly: | but my cpu only hits about 70C when under full load |
| [23:15:12] | wagnerrp: | thats still awfully high |
| [23:15:21] | wagnerrp: | outside my comfort range for a CPU |
| [23:15:31] | squidly: | at the limit of mine. |
| [23:15:50] | squidly: | I've though of getting a better cooler for it. just have not had time or money to really |
| [23:19:43] | wagnerrp: | huh... seems my system isnt currently set up to pull cpu temperature |
| [23:20:02] | squidly: | GRR |
| [23:20:48] | squidly: | the next step will be to reinstall the blasted system from scrach.. |
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| [23:23:06] | wagnerrp: | who made the motherboard? |
| [23:23:11] | squidly: | gigabit |
| [23:23:20] | wagnerrp: | byte? |
| [23:23:24] | squidly: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128419 |
| [23:23:27] | squidly: | yea sorry |
| [23:26:58] | squidly: | yea I think next step is to reinstall the system. |
| [23:27:12] | squidly: | It's been upgraded a couple of times. |
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| [23:34:50] | limbert: | Hi |
| [23:34:57] | thisonedude: | hi all – I noticed recording filters were recently removed from mythweb but the new bit filters wasn't added to the ui – is anyone working on this and if not can I submit a patch? |
| [23:35:46] | wagnerrp: | mmm... thats better |
| [23:36:14] | wagnerrp: | free'd up some 400MB xchat/xpra had consumed after a couple months of operation |
| [23:38:53] | sphery: | limbert: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9850 |
| [23:39:03] | sphery: | er,... oops |
| [23:39:07] | sphery: | thisonedude: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9850 |
| [23:39:37] | sphery: | and, hi, to both limbert and thisonedude :) |
| [23:40:02] | thisonedude: | thanks! <reading> |
| [23:40:37] | sphery: | thisonedude: if you're interested in working on it, you should probably coordinate with John Poet ( jpa bq- ) and David Engel ( dav ide ) |
| [23:41:14] | sphery: | oh, and I think they'd be very happy to have someone (especially a PHP-enabled someone) help with it |
| [23:41:21] | limbert: | Hi Sphery. When a scheduled recording started earlier all the channels on that tuner became grayed out in the Programme Guide, including the channel being recorded. I stopped the recording, restarted the machine, all the channels are still greyed out. Can't change to any channel on the tuner. |
| [23:41:27] | limbert: | Any ideas? |
| [23:41:57] | sphery: | limbert: input group issue? |
| [23:42:14] | limbert: | Don't know what you mean |
| [23:42:42] | thisonedude: | sphery: thanks! what's the appropriate way to coordinate? PM? mailing list? |
| [23:43:12] | sphery: | would need a lot more info on your specific setup (number of (physical and virtual) tuners, number of video sources, what all recordings were happening, etc.) |
| [23:43:26] | limbert: | ok... |
| [23:44:02] | sphery: | but in general, mythtv will only disable an input if another in-use input is in the same input group (in mythtv-setup Input Connections) |
| [23:44:49] | sphery: | limbert: also, make sure the tuner is not actually in use, still--may have started some other recording after you cancelled that one or something |
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| [23:44:54] | sphery: | or may not have cancelled correctly |
| [23:45:51] | sphery: | thisonedude: If you'd like to mention something in #mythtv, they'll probably get back to you tomorrow... Or, it may be easier to send an e-mail to the -dev list to let them know you're thinking of working on it and that you're interested in any input they have |
| [23:47:18] | limbert: | 2 adapters = 1 aerial, 1 satellite tuner, seperate video source for each, just 1 recording happening on sat tuner, but the same program (same ep) was on a channel on the aerial at the same time |
| [23:47:21] | thisonedude: | sphery: Thanks! Will do! |
| [23:48:11] | sphery: | oh, and if you mention that you'll be available on irc (and give your nick, too), it may make it easier to coordinate |
| [23:48:31] | limbert: | So all channels on one input group/connection were disabled |
| [23:49:14] | limbert: | No other recording happening or scheduled to happen |
| [23:49:34] | wagnerrp: | squidly: here we go... |
| [23:49:40] | wagnerrp: | dev.cpu.0.freq: 800 |
| [23:49:47] | wagnerrp: | dev.cpu.0.temperature: 19.6C |
| [23:50:10] | squidly: | your cpu temps? |
| [23:50:35] | wagnerrp: | yeah... but idle/downclocked |
| [23:51:26] | squidly: | not bad |
| [23:52:07] | wagnerrp: | stock AMD cooler |
| [23:52:11] | wagnerrp: | ... lets give it some load |
| [23:52:14] | squidly: | not bad |
| [23:52:23] | limbert: | Normally I can view the channel being recorded and a few other channels on the same multiplex |
| [23:52:26] | squidly: | I'm using the stock cooler too |
| [23:53:46] | limbert: | "or may not have cancelled correctly" – that's what I'm thinking. No idea how to check/fix that. Presumably a field in the db somewhere. |
| [23:54:30] | sphery: | limbert: check backend status (available through mythweb is the easiest way) to see if it thinks anything is recording |
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| [23:56:33] | limbert: | No, nothing is recording |
| [23:56:54] | wagnerrp: | squidly: looks like im going to level off somewhere south of 40C, building myth at -j6, 3.3GHz PII X2 |
| [23:57:06] | squidly: | nice |
| [23:57:41] | wagnerrp: | thats surprisingly good, although its sitting in the corner of a cold basement |
| [23:57:47] | wagnerrp: | i would consider anything up to 50 acceptable |
| [23:57:58] | squidly: | wagnerrp: yea I think my system is messed up.. I'm going to do a clean install and see if that fixes my issues |
| [23:58:30] | wagnerrp: | but youre at 70C |
| [23:58:38] | wagnerrp: | software cant cause that |
| [23:58:42] | squidly: | yea I know. |
| [23:58:47] | wagnerrp: | youve got a dead fan, or too much blockage in your case |
| [23:58:49] | sphery: | mine tend to run right around 50, but in an 80F house (still running air conditioning, around here :) |
| [23:58:55] | wagnerrp: | or a CPU that needs to be reseated |
| [23:58:59] | squidly: | that's a guestimagte.. |
| [23:59:08] | sphery: | and boinc/seti@home means always at full load |
| [23:59:11] | wagnerrp: | sphery: yeah, and youre at full speed/load all the time |
| [23:59:13] | squidly: | lol sphery |
| [23:59:17] | sphery: | yeah |
| [23:59:41] | squidly: | I'll reseat the CPU and clean out the cpu fan a bit more then |
| [23:59:52] | squidly: | my ex loved to smoke right next to my file server |
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