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Wednesday, December 7th, 2011, 00:03 UTC

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bixter:

anyone know if I can copy the settings from one client to another? like vdpau and theme?

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sphery:

you just have to go through setup and change the same things

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sphery:

in general, most users should only need to change the playback profile group to get started, then can change other settings as they find they're not working the way they want

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sphery:

playback profile group is mythfrontend settings, Utilities/Setup|Setup|TV Settings|Playback, 3rd screen

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sphery:

the theme download should be quick

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sphery:

you can try cancelling and then re-try the download

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bixter:

i use diskless clients and want to just copy the settings from one to the other for quick setup. where does myth store those settings? I see some in the db but looks like not all?

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sphery:

all are in the database

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sphery:

but not all are in the settings table

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bixter:

hrm....

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bixter:

ah

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sphery:

which is why you can't just copy things from settings or you'll break stuff

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sphery:

which is why you should use the UI :)

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bixter:

blah

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bixter:

its not too bad

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bixter:

mythmusic does work in graphite, it default to playlist mode so i didnt see anything

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sphery:

glad you figured it out

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bixter:

yeah dunce moment

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sphery:

hehe, well, I probably would have had the same issue figuring it out, so unless you're calling /me/ a dunce...

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sphery:

:)

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bixter:

genius moment then ;)

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snarkster:

in the mysql create user command do i use ' or `

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snarkster:

when i use either one the next line just has ' or ` >

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sphery:

' technically

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sphery:

and use it on both sides

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sphery:

the html/browser reformats it for you to make it human-pretty--but technically incorrect

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snarkster:

i used it on both sides. is the result correct?

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snarkster:

im doing this in a terminal

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sphery:

should be if it didn't complain

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bixter:

u use single quote

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bixter:

not backtick

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snarkster:

thanx

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sphery:

yeah, guess I could have spelled it out in case the chat client is similarly changing it...

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Shadow__X:

Shows that i have exported with videxport have had audio issues. Is that an issue with the recording,my machine being too slow or generally something else? Or do i not have enough information to know for sure

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bixter:

does it play fine before its exported?

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Shadow__X:

yes it seems to be

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sphery:

does it play fine on another faster machine? or a windows machine? or?

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sphery:

(after transcode)

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snarkster:

it wont exit

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sphery:

which won't?

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sphery:

mysql client?

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snarkster:

mysql

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sphery:

Ctrl-D or quit

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snarkster:

think i broke it

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sphery:

or bye, iirc

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snarkster:

i see exit;

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snarkster:

none of that worked ctrl-d worked

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Shadow__X:

sphery: what i have been doing is cutting commercials with mythtranscode lossless then videxport.

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snarkster:

mythbackend produces an error unable to connect

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sphery:

yeah, think you have to put the semicolon after quit; or bye;

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snarkster:

yah i did that as well.. nothing

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snarkster:

crap that was alot of typing for it to not work

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bixter:

\q to exit

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sid3windr:

I usually ^d or ^c out of mysql client :)

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bixter:

u add a new user or changed one?

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snarkster:

i dont think anything i typed did anything

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bixter:

semicolon is needed at the end of each command

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bixter:

;

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snarkster:

tried to create mythconverge and add users mythtv @% and @localhost

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bixter:

wait

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snarkster:

yah i remember that much

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bixter:

mythconverg should be there

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bixter:

or is this a net new install?

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snarkster:

yes it is but according to this it should recreate it which it didnt

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snarkster:

can i delete mythconverg and recreate it?

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bixter:

sure

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snarkster:

explain

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sphery:

you don't want to delete the database schema

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bixter:

mysqladmin drop mythconverg

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sphery:

just set up permissions

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bixter:

does mysqlshow display anything?

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snarkster:

mysqlshow: Access denied for user 'family'@'localhost' (using password: NO)

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bixter:

login as root

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bixter:

sudo

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bixter:

su -

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snarkster:

root@MythCrunch:~# mysqlshow

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snarkster:

mysqlshow: Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)

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bixter:

mysqlshow -p

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bixter:

enter root password

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snarkster:

3

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sphery:

hey, that's the same as my root password

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snarkster:

information_schema, mysql, mythconverg

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bixter:

k

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sphery:

used to use 12345, but it was too hard to type

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bixter:

mysql -p mysql

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snarkster:

logged in

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snarkster:

should not be this difficult. sigh

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bixter:

its not if u know sql

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bixter:

select host,User from user where User = 'mythtv';

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snarkster:

2 rows done

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snarkster:

answer % mythtv, localhost mythtv

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bixter:

k good

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bixter:

then

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bixter:

SET PASSWORD FOR 'mythtv'@'%' = PASSWORD('newpass');

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bixter:

SET PASSWORD FOR 'mythtv'@'localhost' = PASSWORD('newpass');

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bixter:

FLUSH PRIVILEGES;

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bixter:

\q

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bixter:

change newpass to what u want for both

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bixter:

then u can use mythtv and the password u set from anywhere

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bixter:

test with

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bixter:

mysql -p mythconverg -u mythtv

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bixter:

and enter new password

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snarkster:

works

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snarkster:

thank you

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sphery:

Yeah, I've heard that on some Ubuntu versions (and, therefore, I'd suspect Debian and Debian-based distro versions), the password change won't take effect unless you use SET PASSWORD (so the GRANT approach on the HOWTO won't work)

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bixter:

np

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snarkster:

test with mythfrontend now?

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bixter:

yeah

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sphery:

you'd have to grant, then do set password

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sphery:

which is idiotic (and not standard mysql)

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bixter:

AND

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bixter:

FLUSH PRIVILEGES;

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sphery:

right

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bixter:

not true

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sphery:

but if you do grant and specify a password, it should work fine after flush privileges

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bixter:

mysql uses its own user table

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sphery:

you shouldn't need a separate set password

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sphery:

I'm talking about this approach: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.2

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bixter:

it doesnt use the OS password. it

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sphery:

grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"%" identified by "mythtv";

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bixter:

o

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bixter:

dont know that

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sphery:

identified by = password

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sphery:

therefore, the set password is redundant

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snarkster:

ran mythbackend returned Can't connect to MySQL server on 'MythCrunch' (111)

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sphery:

but, something on debian breaks it

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bixter:

does the backend work?

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snarkster:

it does when as root

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snarkster:

lol

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bixter:

ok

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bixter:

so its prob the mysql.txt

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snarkster:

located where?

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bixter:

u have to rerun mythtv-setup

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snarkster:

starting

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bixter:

as the user u want to run under

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sphery:

snarkster: in the dialog box, use localhost for the *database* server host name/ip address

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bixter:

and put the mythtv and password in

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sphery:

(not the mythbackend ip addresses)

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sphery:

and I'll bet it will work

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sphery:

if you don't see it asking you the database location, use mythtv-setup or mythfrontend -p

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snarkster:

im in the config now

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bixter:

lsof -i :6543

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snarkster:

didnt work at first, changin to localhost did it

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bixter:

will show u if the backend is listening locally or on an ip

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bixter:

wait

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snarkster:

showed nothing

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bixter:

what did u config, the backend or frontend?

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bixter:

ok backend

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snarkster:

mythtv-setup now

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bixter:

u dont have a firewall on this box, do u?

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snarkster:

all stuff is behind a firewall

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snarkster:

General tab host address backend setup. 127 or 192 or put host name?

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snarkster:

master backend should be the actual ip address Im sure of it.

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bixter:

192

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snarkster:

you guys are totally awesome

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snarkster:

mythfront end still can not logon

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bixter:

is it running on the same server?

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snarkster:

yup

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bixter:

so it gets the ip addres of the backend and the mythv DB infor

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snarkster:

??

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snarkster:

i am prepared to download mythbuntu but its a resource hog. crunchbang is noce and smooth

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snarkster:

noce=nice

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wagnerrp:

when you say 'behind a firewall', youre talking about a gateway firewall, correct? not a local filter running on that machine?

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sphery:

unless you have a severely underpowered system, mythbuntu won't be a resource hog

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sphery:

or, put another way, for any suitable system for running mythtv, mythbuntu won't be a resource hog

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snarkster:

no its not under powered. i just prefer openbox to xfce

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wagnerrp:

mythtv-setup was able to access the database?

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snarkster:

i know mythbuntu works, i have used it before. (long long time ago)

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snarkster:

mythtv-setup seemed to access the DB just fine.

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snarkster:

i got all the tabs

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wagnerrp:

run using which user?

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wagnerrp:

scratch that

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snarkster:

the one im using now, family

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wagnerrp:

when you run mythtv-setup in the terminal, and it logs to the terminal

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snarkster:

this computer is in the living room, everyone uses it

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wagnerrp:

near the top of the file it will list the configuration directory it chose, and where it found the database configuration file

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wagnerrp:

it will be looking for mysql.txt or config.xml

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wagnerrp:

see what path it is pulling that file from

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wagnerrp:

do the same thing with mythfrontend, if it is using a different file, copy the working one that mythtv-setup is using on top of the not working one mythfrontend is using

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wagnerrp:

sphery: no need to set the milestone on tickets, the commit hook should take care of it

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bixter:

i run mythbuntu and love it

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snarkster:

http://pastebin.com/uSbyv6Ps

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wagnerrp:

hmm... maybe the file is only listed at higher verbosity

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sphery:

wagnerrp: hehe, forgot about that

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sphery:

thanks

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wagnerrp:

anyway, you care about that 'using configuration directory' line

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wagnerrp:

is mythtv-setup and mythfrontend using the same directory?

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snarkster:

ok this time mythfrontend started, but gave me an error asking if the backend was running

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snarkster:

im assuming yes.. i didnt set it to anything different and it didnt ask me.

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bixter:

is it?

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bixter:

ps -ef | grep backend

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bixter:

lsof -i :6543

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snarkster:

family 28947 28928 0 18:13 pts/1 00:00:00 grep --color=auto backend

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snarkster:

lsof -i :6543 returned nothing

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bixter:

mythbackend needs to be started....

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snarkster:

i started it

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bixter:

its a daemon that needs to be running

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bixter:

nope

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snarkster:

reran the lsof and still returned nothing

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bixter:

ps would show it

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bixter:

check ur logs

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snarkster:

family 28957 28928 0 18:16 pts/1 00:00:00 grep --color=auto backend

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bixter:

how r u starting it?

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bixter:

check for logs under /var/log/mythtv

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snarkster:

2011-12–06 13:14:41.564 Connecting to master server: 192.168.0.74:6543

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snarkster:

2011-12–06 13:14:41.572 Connected successfully

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bixter:

ok

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bixter:

wait

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snarkster:

2011-12–06 13:15:11.587 MythSocket(ffffffffb16112c8:24): readStringList: Error, timed out after 30000 ms

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bixter:

on ur backend server run the ps and lsof commands

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snarkster:

i have

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bixter:

and nothing? so its not running then

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bixter:

do that as root

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snarkster:

family 28971 28928 0 18:20 pts/1 00:00:00 grep --color=auto backend

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bixter:

family might not have the rights

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snarkster:

lsof still shoiws nothing

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bixter:

so its not running

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snarkster:

i have no idea.. just being honest.

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bixter:

how r u starting it?

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snarkster:

i know i have started it

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snarkster:

mythbackend

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bixter:

/usr/bin/mythbackend --logfile /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log --user family

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bixter:

and check the logs

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snarkster:

and /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start

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bixter:

make sure /var/log/mythtv/ is a directoryt

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snarkster:

it is a dir

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bixter:

then run that command and look at /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log

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snarkster:

strange the logs are out of date.

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snarkster:

doing a tail shows 13:00 that 5 hours late.

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bixter:

remove the log and try it again. family might not have rights to it (if u ran it as root)

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snarkster:

no log on attempting to rerun

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bixter:

dmesg

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bixter:

?

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bixter:

mythbackend -v all

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snarkster:

let me paste the dmesg

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snarkster:

http://pastebin.com/AvgXzr1u

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bixter:

mythbackend[28199]: segfault at 50 ip b58e97cc sp bfdc3590 error 4 in libQtCore.so.4.6.3[b587f000+27b000] is bad

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snarkster:

lotsa data, want me to rerun and capture output?

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bixter:

no

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bixter:

mythbackend -v all

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bixter:

give u anything?

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snarkster:

lotsa data..

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bixter:

k ill take that

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snarkster:

i can rerun and capture it for you.

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bixter:

k

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bixter:

what graphics card do u have? prob want to run nvidia's drivers and not nouveau

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snarkster:

http://pastebin.com/Q52SqPHd

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snarkster:

welp im out of time, have a client in 30 minutes.

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Shadow__X:

so i just found that mythtv isnt sending 4 digits over firewire

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snarkster:

i wont be back till late or tomorrow

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bixter:

sorry i couldnt help

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snarkster:

dude you were awesome

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bixter:

mythbuntu......

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snarkster:

im a noob, you were very patient with me, id buy you a round of drinks

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bixter:

o its mad about ur capture cards too. should do a new DB

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snarkster:

i dont have one yet.

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snarkster:

just a large collection of movies.

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snarkster:

on dvd, not ripped..

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snarkster:

this is why i wanted mythtv.

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snarkster:

ok im out. thank you again

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Shadow__X:

comcast just added some channels in the 1000s and it seems like its only sending the last 3 digits

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Shadow__X:

so 265 instead of 1265

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sphery:

6200ch?

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Shadow__X:

i am not using an external changer just what mythtv uses

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sphery:

firewire?

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Shadow__X:

i have it set as a capture card as i am recording over firewire

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sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/461077#461077

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sphery:

iamlindoro: are you interested in looking at that patch ^^^

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Shadow__X:

comcast finally has bbc america hd in my area

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iamlindoro:

sphery: Not really, I don't like that max digits is still a const

[01:57:06]

sphery:

agreed

[01:57:24]

iamlindoro:

(I think I participated in that thread and said something similar then)

[01:57:30]

iamlindoro:

or maybe on some earlier version of the patch

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sphery:

I'd prefer a dynamic one that supports whatever, but seems if we start getting more internal changer users, we'll need something for 4 digits

[01:58:23]

sphery:

so it's either someone writes the code properly or we use the Y3K code

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sphery:

(i.e. similarly broken, but fails later)

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sphery:

Shadow__X: in the meantime, if you don't want to patch your own builds, you'll likely need to use an external firewire channel change script

[02:01:00]

Shadow__X:

is one better to do than another?

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sphery:

my recommendation is to use one that works with your equipment

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sphery:

:)

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sphery:

note, though, that most require special usage with 4 digits (like http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/492862#492862 )\

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Shadow__X:

since i have a dct 6200 i guess i could just use the script

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Shadow__X:

ill test it out after warehouse 13 is done recording

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Shadow__X:

thanks sphery

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Shadow__X:

thanks iamlindoro

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Twiggy2cents:

Quick question, if I have no size requirements defined on a playback profile will mythtv try to deinterlace 720p?

[02:11:04]

iamlindoro:

no

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wagnerrp:

you cannot deinterlace progressive content

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Twiggy2cents:

I know, I just wanted to make sure that myth wasnt trying.

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Twiggy2cents:

My profile consists of a single entry

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wagnerrp:

heh

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wagnerrp:

hahahahahahhahaa

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** wagnerrp collapses in laughter **

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Hilikus:

hey guys. my firewall (in the same pc as mythbackend) is blocking traffic from my TV (samsung) going to port 6544, which is the mythbackend port. what could have caused that? why would my TV try to connect to myth-backend?

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Captain_Murdoch:

UPNP?

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Hilikus:

my tv supports DLNA, i don't know if thats it

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Captain_Murdoch:

probably.

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wagnerrp:

guy spams trac, ticket is summarily deleted

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wagnerrp:

guy complains that his trac ticket returns a 404

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Hilikus:

does mythbackend output its UPNP data through the same port as when connected to a frontend?

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iamlindoro:

6544 is only one of the ports mythbackend runs on, and not the one the frontend connects to

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wagnerrp:

Hilikus: upnp detection goes through multicast port 1900

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wagnerrp:

the tv sends out a query on that port, the tv listens for a response somewhere unknown

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wagnerrp:

all further connection by the tv to mythbackend goes through port 6544 on the backend

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Hilikus:

mmmm i see

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wagnerrp:

so port 6544 tcp must be open, and port 1900 udp must be open

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wagnerrp:

potentially, any number of other udp ports could be used by the tv

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wagnerrp:

best to just correct your firewall such that any internal traffic is allowed

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[R]:

who runs a firewall on a machien in a lan anyway

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wagnerrp:

his backend is his gateway firewall

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** [R] mumbles something about the insecurities of that **

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** wagnerrp agrees **

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sphery:

so, someone needs to submit a real ticket, quick

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sphery:

so far 10198 has had 2 spam attempts... gotta move off this one, as it seems all the spammers want it

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wagnerrp:

three, all same guy

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wagnerrp:

(or same email address at least)

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sphery:

I only got Scuffed Bumper and Anger Management... there was a 3rd?

[02:37:08]

wagnerrp:

'i got a problem: each tme i try to load the page, it comes out with error 404 not found'

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wagnerrp:

the turd filed a ticket about the spam tickets he created getting deleted

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sphery:

ah, guess that was one that was in there before I compacted the folder

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sphery:

so, yeah, crazy

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sphery:

er, no... got that one as a reply but didn't get the original of it

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sphery:

funny, though, that he files a ticket saying that his spam is getting deleted

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What is now known as _Anomaly

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wagnerrp:

i wonder if other groups have similar problems

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wagnerrp:

20 spam hits in the past hour

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wagnerrp:

seems xbmc ties their logins into their forum

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Hilikus:

thanks guys

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kisak:

so ... I'm thinking JACK + snd-aloop has potential to do what I wan

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kisak:

s/wan/want/

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kisak:

all decent media players + mythtv can connect to jack directly, and the loopback interface can catch whatever is left of the stereo alsa feeds

[03:07:54]

wagnerrp:

Beirdo: does your bot offer any sort of RPC mechanism to push messages to the channel?

[03:08:51]

Beirdo:

RPC? no

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wagnerrp:

or any sort of interface

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Beirdo:

it could always be coded, I suppose

[03:10:03]

Beirdo:

Not sure what you have in mind, but I don't think there's anything there for that kinda thing

[03:10:17]

wagnerrp:

im thinking of putting together a pastebin for our uses

[03:10:30]

wagnerrp:

wondering if it would be of use to automatically link new pasts in here

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wagnerrp:

with the assumption someone would be pasting in there after being requested for data in here

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Beirdo:

Hmmm, that'd be possibly a good plan

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

Something like a JSON interface would be cool, I guess. Just never thought of it before.

[03:18:46]

wagnerrp:

looks like the pastebin.ca guy open sourced it before abandoning it

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Beirdo:

he's a myth user too

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Beirdo:

or was a while back

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Beirdo:

!seen slepp

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MythLogBot:

slepp was last seen 2273 days 17 hours 10 minutes 9 seconds ago

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wagnerrp:

already supports logins and encryption, should be fairly simple to add file upload support

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Beirdo:

quite a while back with that nick :)

[03:19:20]

wagnerrp:

yeah... a _while_ back

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Shadow__X:

sphery: awesome, i got it working with 6200ch thanks

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Beirdo:

6.22 years

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wagnerrp:

logins being to only allow download access to those with trac accounts

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Beirdo:

hehe

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sphery:

enjoy

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Beirdo:

sounds good

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wagnerrp:

whats this auction/bidding stuff?

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wagnerrp:

i dont recall anything like that being related to pastebin.ca

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Beirdo:

beats me

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wagnerrp:

is the performance and consistency you get with stored procedures really worth all this mess? https://github.com/slepp/pastebin.ca/blob/mas . . . pastebin.sql

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wagnerrp:

i mean hes got near as much code to generate his database as we do, and weve got a couple hundred schema revisions that we can walk up

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Beirdo:

hehe, perhaps

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Beirdo:

but BLECH, pgsql?

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wagnerrp:

not compatible with my then?

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Beirdo:

very likely not

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wagnerrp:

everything written in this web templating language that ive not seen before

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

you could likely slapp your own together faster than adjusting?

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wagnerrp:

probably, but it means learning how to do cookies

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wagnerrp:

never had the need before

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wagnerrp:

and implementing some anti-spam system from scratch

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Beirdo:

Hmmm, yeah

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Beirdo:

did you look at pnopaste?

[03:36:03]

Beirdo:

heh, p for perl.

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wagnerrp:

was looking at anything open source with passwords on here... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_pastebins

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Beirdo:

still, mysql backend

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skd5aner:

GAH! 0-BYTE RECORDING!

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Beirdo:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/pnopaste/

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wagnerrp:

id rather not touch anything perl

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wagnerrp:

(simply because i dont know perl)

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wagnerrp:

i can do python, and i can work my way through php

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wagnerrp:

but perl... its vastly syntactically different

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Beirdo:

understood. Just like I shy away from python (although I'm getting better at it over time)

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skd5aner:

Beirdo: my wife is upset as the season finale of Sons of Anarchy didn't record on the first showing and now she has to wait an hour for it to re-air... she thought the magical device that came in the mail was supposed to fix it

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skd5aner:

ha

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Beirdo:

hah, no, it just will kick the HDPVR in the nuts and let it record next time arounds

[03:38:11]

skd5aner:

Now I have to explain to her why it still will break... and she's like "if I spent $25 on something that only fixed something after it broke the first time, you'd be upset"

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skd5aner:

lol

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Beirdo:

there is currently no way to get it to work the way she's thinking :)

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skd5aner:

sure there is... get my NIB one out of the box

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Beirdo:

wishful thinking, but unfortunately not possible right now

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skd5aner:

(and hope it works good for a few years too)

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Beirdo:

heh

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Shadow__X:

skd5aner: if you dont mind me asking what did you buy

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skd5aner:

a Ninja

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[R]:

lol... this commerical said to use offer code 'crunch'... but i thought they said 'crotch'... and was very confused

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skd5aner:

he sits there and kicks my HD-PVR in the nuts when it acts up

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skd5aner:

Beirdo sent him to me

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Shadow__X:

that seems very cheap

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skd5aner:

:D

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skd5aner:

[R]: not as bad as the stupid t-mobile commercial... "walking in an orgy wonderland"

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Beirdo:

hehe, that one makes me snicker

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[R]:

haha

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skd5aner:

Shadow__X: it's actually a little device Beirdo made that will power cycle an HD-PVR if it detects that it made a 0-byte recording

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Beirdo:

marketing fail for sure

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skd5aner:

I'm being summoned – good nigh

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skd5aner:

t

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Beirdo:

although with the T-Mobile spokesgirl... maybe an orgy wonderland could be fun

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[R]:

lol

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Shadow__X:

oh ok cool

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Shadow__X:

does that happen often with the hdpvr?

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Shadow__X:

or was it just the older ones

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[R]:

i never have problems wit hmine

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[R]:

but mine shuts off with my computer

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[R]:

and my computer shuts when its idle

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Beirdo:

happens like once a month or more with mine (on 24x7)

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Shadow__X:

i currently have my backend on 24/7 and for the most part even firewire recordings have been pretty reliable

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Shadow__X:

oh ok

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iamlindoro:

There is a lot of variability, and it appears to have a lot to do with the STB feeding it

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Beirdo:

I had to rmmod hdpvr ; modprobe hdpvr today

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iamlindoro:

(and the firmware version of the STB)

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Shadow__X:

ah ok that makes sense

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Beirdo:

mucho dmesg reports of: encirq no free buffers, increase param encoder_buffers

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[R]:

and probably the alignment of the stars and moon

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Shadow__X:

i know some people can barely use fw

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[R]:

thats so freakin cool

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[R]:

the cops busted a grow house

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[R]:

and they are like kicking in the lights and doing all this cool destruction

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Beirdo:

waste of tax money

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[R]:

lol

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Beirdo:

even worse than buying a boat

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Beirdo:

a boat is just a big hole in the water into which you throw money

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Beirdo:

(and a lot of fun too)

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[R]:

lol

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kisak:

JACK + alsa loopback device was a success

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kisak:

sphery: you immediately challenged JACK + pulseaudio, right?

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sphery:

hehe, said it doesn't make a lot of sense

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kisak:

the only reason I even touched pulseaudio was because gnome 3.2 keeps respawning pa

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kisak:

I don't want it in my life

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sphery:

yeah, that makes 2 of us

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kisak:

my life is mildly better now that a long term issue is gone

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Beirdo:

so nuke gnome

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kisak:

I don't care if I waste a little power, this bulldozer core can deal with it

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kisak:

gnome 3 is a bit strange, but the entire system as a whole runs significantly smoother than my last system

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kisak:

I haven't given up on bending gnome to my will

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kisak:

in any case, thanks for that link earlier that got me back on track to get mythtv to use JACK

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kisak:

it seems mythtv 0.25 with alsa automagicly creates a blend for the side channels from 5.1 audio while the JACK output does not

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kisak:

would that be considered a missing feature? or a bug since it works with alsa?

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Freemason1977:

could someone point me in the right direction to setup a hvr-1500 , the card has been detected but im new to this, where do i go from here ?

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wagnerrp:

detected... as in you have a /dev/dvb/adapter<n>?

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Freemason1977:

detected as in dmesg grep cx

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wagnerrp:

do you have a /dev/dvb/adapter<n> folder?

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wagnerrp:

that corresponds to that tuner

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Freemason1977:

yes however i believe it may have been there when i inadvertently went through the mythtv-setup

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wagnerrp:

in mythtv-setup, it must be added as a 'dvb dtv' tuner card

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wagnerrp:

in section 2, create a new card, and then select that type (or rather something that looks like it) from the dropdown at the top

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wagnerrp:

mythtv will autodetect the device

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wagnerrp:

add a video source for it

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wagnerrp:

map that video source to the tuner input, and then scan for channels

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Freemason1977:

acknowledged.

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wagnerrp:

the -1500 is an expresscard tuner, meaning youre using this with a laptop

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wagnerrp:

is this a laptop permanently positioned somewhere?

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Freemason1977:

yes yes and yes

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Freemason1977:

how do i initiate a channel scan?

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Freemason1977:

ps: http://nopaste.info/d97fb2b11e.html

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wagnerrp:

should show up in section 4, when you map the tuner input to your new video source

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Freemason1977:

it does not.

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Freemason1977:

ps: http://nopaste.info/c532ecde3a.html

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wagnerrp:

tvtime only does analog

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wagnerrp:

analog on your card is not currently supported in linux

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wagnerrp:

DVB-T only for now

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Freemason1977:

what about atsc ?

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wagnerrp:

erm... ATSC/QAM only for now

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Freemason1977:

ok im atsc

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wagnerrp:

the -1400 is the DVB version of that

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Freemason1977:

xawtv also shows -"no such device"

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wagnerrp:

xawtv is another analog only piece of software

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wagnerrp:

neither of those will work with digital tuners

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Freemason1977:

ok. , ok.

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Freemason1977:

where do i go from here ?

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Freemason1977:

with regards to atsc

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wagnerrp:

you need to scan for channels, adding them to your mapped video source

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wagnerrp:

then you need to sign up for a schedules direct account, pull guide data, and have mythfilldatabase map those scanned channels to guide data

[05:30:02]

wagnerrp:

the guide data allows you to schedule shows and series in advance, rather than having to manually record like on a vcr

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wagnerrp:

it basically makes having a dvr worthwhile

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Freemason1977:

ok ill do that then. right now.

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Freemason1977:

no channels found

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wagnerrp:

you have the antenna plugged into the card?

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Freemason1977:

yes.

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Freemason1977:

not a single % either.

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wagnerrp:

you have channels sufficiently close that whatever antenna you have is enough to pick them up?

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Freemason1977:

yes.

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wagnerrp:

the signal strength reading from tuner cards ranges from bad to just plain wrong

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wagnerrp:

its of little worth if we did show it

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wagnerrp:

go back to section 2, edit the card

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wagnerrp:

there should be some advanced settings that let you change the tuner timeouts

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wagnerrp:

try doubling them

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Freemason1977:

doing.

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Beirdo:

la la la... running another run through the gpucommflag

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

still gotta rework the logo detection some

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Freemason1977:

no channels found

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wagnerrp:

what parameters are you scanning with?

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wagnerrp:

channel table... modulation...

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Freemason1977:

2 – 69 atsc

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wagnerrp:

8vsb?

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Freemason1977:

yes.

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Freemason1977:

http://nopaste.info/0939a7fc8d.html

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Freemason1977:

no irq conficts in lspci

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wagnerrp:

if there were, you likely wouldnt see a device node

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Freemason1977:

is there a way to start from scratch, without formatting the entire OS ?

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wagnerrp:

you can drop mythtv's database, and then recreate it like you did the first time

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Freemason1977:

i have no vested interests other than the card. How do i do that?

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wagnerrp:

well first, how did you create the database in the first place?

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Freemason1977:

as far as i know the setup program did that on exit

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wagnerrp:

the setup program needs a shell database to start with

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Freemason1977:

.... by saving my source and preference values

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wagnerrp:

installation docs describe how to set up this shell

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wagnerrp:

which if you didnt do, your packages did for you

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wagnerrp:

meaning you need to see your package manager on how to properly recreate that database if you wipe the existing one

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Freemason1977:

I have no way of knowing if the database even exists

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wagnerrp:

likely ubuntu?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv-setup will not run if you have no database

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Freemason1977:

mythbuntu 11.10

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wagnerrp:

yeah, mythbuntu sets up all that stuff for you

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Freemason1977:

3.0.0-14-generic #23-Ubuntu SMP Mon Nov 21 20:34:47 UTC 2011 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux

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wagnerrp:

and i dont know how to get it to set up all up again if you destroy it

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wagnerrp:

why not amx64?

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wagnerrp:

amd64

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Freemason1977:

i have a intel chip ?

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Freemason1977:

core2 duo IIRC

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wagnerrp:

all intel chips since the Core2 are 64-bit

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wagnerrp:

as well as a number of the later P4s

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Beirdo:

(except a few crappy Atoms)

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Freemason1977:

As far as i know since im not using more than 4 gigs of ram there is no bennefit of 64-bit

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wagnerrp:

those dont deserve mention

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Beirdo:

that's from the department of redundancy department

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Beirdo:

Freemason1977: incorrect

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wagnerrp:

the benefit is that x86–64 has been available for going on 8 years now

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Beirdo:

that's just one of the benefits

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wagnerrp:

and has been the primary kernel development architecture for several of those

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wagnerrp:

consider amd64 to be better supported and more frequently updated than i686

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Freemason1977:

well, i do have several other non dual core machines so i would like to keep it simple

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Freemason1977:

several being 2 older laptops , one of which isn't mine :P

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Freemason1977:

wagnerrp: would you mind if i pm'ed you for a moment ?

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wagnerrp:

id rather it be kept in here

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Freemason1977:

with regards to a different card entirely, <

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wagnerrp:

if its mythtv related, theres no problem with it being discussed in here

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wagnerrp:

if its not, i doubt i could be of much help

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Freemason1977:

alright well i do have access to another card but the driver is extremely experimental

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Freemason1977:

like i said above this is way out of my way of expertise

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Freemason1977:

i know how to extract the files and thats about it. , the INSTALL and readme files are very cryptic

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wagnerrp:

is there a 'configure?

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wagnerrp:

normally, you './configure; make; make install'

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wagnerrp:

the -1500 should be working fine in linux and mythtv going on two years now

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wagnerrp:

!seen stoth

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MythLogBot:

stoth was last seen 2 days 16 hours 45 minutes 11 seconds ago

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wagnerrp:

he would know of any problems that might arise

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wagnerrp:

but most people build mythtv boxes out of PCs, not laptops

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wagnerrp:

so youre likely not going to find many people using that specific card

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wagnerrp:

you might try using the 'scan' program in dvb-utils

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wagnerrp:

for directions on use, look for pages describing how to make a channels.conf

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Freemason1977:

ok

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Freemason1977:

dvbscan returns failed to open frontend

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wagnerrp:

probably because mythtv is running and has it locked

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Beirdo:

try lsof /dev/dvb/frontend0 (or whichever)

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Beirdo:

only one thing can use it at a time ;)

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Freemason1977:

Could not open scan file (null)

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Freemason1977:

mythbacke 32083 mythtv 9u CHR 212,0 0t0 6842 /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0

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Freemason1977:

Beg your pardon please forgive my earlier return, this is correct.

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Freemason1977:

I'm going to try rebooting

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Freemason1977:

ill be back in about 2 minutes

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Freemason1977:

back

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Freemason1977:

rebooted , tried channel scan and dvdscan again, nothing

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wagnerrp:

if those arent getting anything, then its not a mythtv problem

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Freemason1977:

can i pm you a tree output of the experimental card ?

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wagnerrp:

im not a hardware person

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Beirdo:

pastebin...

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wagnerrp:

if its not a standard './configure; make; make install', i wouldnt know where to start

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Freemason1977:

ok im all out of optios so ill ls it

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Freemason1977:

be back in 30 seconds

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Freemason1977:

http://nopaste.info/93002064ad.html

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Freemason1977:

there is no config files IIRC

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Beirdo:

that makes no sense

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Freemason1977:

make and make install throw errors obviously

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wagnerrp:

no makefile either

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Beirdo:

all that is is a list of directories

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Freemason1977:

im sorry i didn't even realize that

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Freemason1977:

is there a equivlent to a TREE command ?

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Beirdo:

what the heck is "tree"?

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Freemason1977:

http://nopaste.info/acb5cb5c87.html

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Freemason1977:

fixed it

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Freemason1977:

damnit

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Freemason1977:

ok to the grave with nopaste

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Freemason1977:

http://sprunge.us/CTCd

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Freemason1977:

that worked, finally

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Beirdo:

how about we go about this in a different way

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Beirdo:

what card? What drivers?

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Freemason1977:

im all ears

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wagnerrp:

im guessing some technotrend usb tuner

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Beirdo:

a listing of all the v4l driver source files is super-non-specific

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Freemason1977:

Beird... ive got a HVR-1500 and a generic usb stick that hasn't hit market

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Beirdo:

and what driver are you trying to use with this "generic" stick?

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Freemason1977:

experimental driver like i said

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Freemason1977:

from the mfr

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Beirdo:

"experimental" is not the name :)

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Freemason1977:

im not at liberty to say

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Beirdo:

then good luck, you can get no help here

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Freemason1977:

Beirdo: as for the hvr-1500

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Freemason1977:

can you help with that

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Beirdo:

"I can't get this random stick to work with unnamed drivers, how do I get these unnamed drivers to compile..." Good luck

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Beirdo:

not much

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Beirdo:

as long as mythbackend is not running, you should be able to scan with the dvb scan tools

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Freemason1977:

well the null file return seems to be very ambiguous

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Freemason1977:

i'd try just about anything at this point

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Beirdo:

dunno, man. I don't use that device

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Freemason1977:

Beird... can i pm you the specs/name/ other confidential pronouns

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Beirdo:

won't help much

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Beirdo:

you are best off working with whoever gave it to you

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dekarl:

sphery: the packagers obviously are a bunch of lazy bums that always procrastinate doing their job! (/me starts looking for his wips with packagers names engraved in the handle)

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Freemason1977:

Beirdo: i might be able to send you the file

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Freemason1977:

it throws a undeclared file error on make

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Freemason1977:

all the code is open IIRC

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Beirdo:

I'm kinda busy coding some GPU stuff

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Freemason1977:

oh ok :)

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simonuk1:

anyone know how to make frontend or mythwelcom wait for backend to start

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wagnerrp:

adjust your init scripts so mythfrontend/mythwelcome doesnt start until after the backend is up and kicking

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simonuk1:

any idea on how to do that, tried adding starton mythtv-backen in onstart but that didnt work

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sphery:

dekarl: hehe

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Freemason1977:

simonuk1: init and rc.d come to mind

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Freemason1977:

but thats just my mind running away from me

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wagnerrp:

those are the old systems

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wagnerrp:

chances are hes using upstart (guess from starton and onstart)

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wagnerrp:

which behaves differently

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wagnerrp:

how?... dont know, never used it

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simonuk1:

yeah i am on 11.10

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drindt:

maybe someone can help me, i am moved in my country and now try to get running dvb-t in my new home but the backend.log shows me http://fpaste.org/uZpO/ and i dont know where to fix it.

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drindt:

maybe someone can help me, i am moved in my country and now try to get running dvb-t in my new home but the backend.log shows me http://fpaste.org/uZpO/ and i dont know where to fix it.

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jm|laptop:

drindt: from memory it's in Channel Editor in setup. You need to set a valid [new] channel number.

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Kimble:

Hey. Would anyone fancy helping me set up a bare-bones mythtv backend on Ubuntu 11.10 server? It has to all be done over SSH.

[14:15:21]

justinh:

lol

[14:15:34]

devinheitmueller:

Beirdo: I have this super secret tuner that I want to get working, but I can't tell you what it is, but the code is all open. Can you help me?

[14:16:06]

justinh:

wow. is there a worse looking android app than mythdroid?

[14:16:22]

justinh:

what IS that font? Comic Sans? pfft

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iamlindoro:

justinh: But just remember, Android is every bit as good as iOS blah blah ;)

[14:22:07]

iamlindoro:

Where "as good" is defined by some checklist of specs instead of actually thinking about how the user interacts with things

[14:22:28]

iamlindoro:

eg, ridiculous hardware buttons that make no sense in most contexts

[14:22:46]

justinh:

iamlindoro: there's nothing to say that any android app isn't capable of being as nice to use as an iOS app

[14:23:02]

justinh:

just like there's no reason an android app has to look like utter ass

[14:23:35]

justinh:

apple constrain apps, for all sorts of reasons – good & bad ;-)

[14:23:45]

iamlindoro:

justinh: While strictly speaking that's true, both the dev tools (Interface Builder) and the APIs in iOS are built to enforce user interface guidelines

[14:23:58]

justinh:

heh

[14:24:03]

justinh:

that's a very good idea

[14:24:14]

justinh:

android totally sucks arse

[14:24:23]

hashbang:

Android is a bit more X11-ish "mechanism, not policy"

[14:24:27]

justinh:

I mean, most apps I've tried are just plain AWFUL

[14:24:58]

iamlindoro:

Interface Builder, for example, will snap UI controls to the spacings and guidelines set forth by Apple's UX docs

[14:25:18]

iamlindoro:

you *can* go outside of those recommendations... but it's so simple to follow them, and the result looks and feels so much better

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justinh:

looking in the source for mythdroid to see what that awful font is

[14:26:24]

iamlindoro:

Pretty sure it's Comic Sans

[14:26:30]

Kimble:

justinh: http://www.cultofmac.com/133624/why-android-w . . . er-than-ios/

[14:26:38]

Kimble:

Interesting article.

[14:26:51]

justinh:

Kimble: it's not about lag

[14:26:53]

justinh:

it's about SUCK

[14:27:12]

hashbang:

justinh: still an interesting, albeit tangential, article though

[14:27:15]

justinh:

as in looks like crap, being unintuitive etc

[14:27:18]

** hashbang just read it over lunch **

[14:27:51]

justinh:

B&H Luxi sans.. UGH

[14:28:11]

hashbang:

justinh: the thing I find with a lot of Android apps is you're often not sure how to interact with it; double-tap (Facebook), tap-and-hold, tap-then-menu, menu...

[14:28:12]

Kimble:

Stand-out tid-bit is that Android is the only pre-iOS smartphone OS still in current use, all others were developed from scratch after iOS debuted.

[14:28:23]

Kimble:

According to the article...

[14:28:49]

justinh:

Kimble: stand out thing about any other OS than iOS is – they can't do most of the nice stuff iOS does cos apple patented everything

[14:29:13]

justinh:

apart from enforcing sensible things like consistency

[14:29:22]

Kimble:

Actually, that's not a fair statement. Nokia's Lumia is getting very good reviews for the OS.

[14:29:40]

justinh:

what's that then – Windows Mobile?

[14:29:43]

hashbang:

Kimble: even if Lumia means 'prostitute' in Spanish

[14:30:11]

justinh:

anyway the majority of people don't even want to consider their mobile device even *has* an OS

[14:30:28]

justinh:

it's either desirable, useful, intuitive & all that – or it ain't

[14:30:32]

Kimble:

hashbang: I have a degree in Spanish and spent several years there, and never encountered that. But *shrug* it's probably a regional thing. Like Zune meaning "pussy" in Quebecois.

[14:30:46]

justinh:

and whether somebody is ever going to desire a newcomer to the party is questionable

[14:31:08]

justinh:

anyway.. this is all beside the point. mythdroid looks like crap & I'm trying to find out how to make it not suck

[14:31:37]

Kimble:

Seeing as we're all so chatty – anyone willing to help me install the bare necessities for a mythtv backend on Ubuntu? =)

[14:31:57]

justinh:

LOL it'd be kinda awesome if a phone OS just forced apps to use the same graphics & icons for stuff

[14:32:11]

justinh:

Kimble: on what hardware? which tuners? ETC? QUE?

[14:32:16]

justinh:

NEEEEEEEEEED IIIIIIIIIIIIINPUT

[14:32:28]

hashbang:

justinh: trouble is, smartphones really are small computers with an OS, various sensors, and a wireless modem. If we could trust networks and manufacturers to do an honest job of administering them for us, I'd happily fork over the task to them. But...

[14:32:29]

justinh:

besides which, we don't do walkthroughs here

[14:32:48]

Kimble:

justinh: lol, we're jumping ahead of ourselves... Oh, you don't? So i'm wasting my time asking for help on this?

[14:32:56]

justinh:

(but if we did, they'd be expensive)

[14:33:14]

hashbang:

justinh: true, but how much of your life would you get back?

[14:33:14]

justinh:

Kimble: in the time you've sat here, you could've walked through a mythbuntu install already

[14:33:31]

justinh:

hashbang: check the logs. I can't remember the last time I actually bothered to help

[14:33:52]

Kimble:

The answer to the majority of questions asked on forums or IRC is: just don't do it that way. :-(

[14:33:56]

hashbang:

justinh: no, I mean if our smartphones were honestly administered... not walkthroughs

[14:33:56]

justinh:

just setting up mythbackend is a piece of cake

[14:34:08]

justinh:

hashbang: are they not?

[14:34:19]

justinh:

I'm not falling for the whole "my smartphone is spying on me" BS

[14:34:36]

hashbang:

justinh: Carrier IQ?

[14:34:36]

justinh:

mostly because no UK carrier has been found to do it yet

[14:34:56]

Kimble:

justinh: I just want to know precisely which packages are a _necessity_ for the backend setup. Ubuntu's apt-get installs a whole bunch of unnecessary stuff.

[14:35:00]

hashbang:

justinh: true, but part of administration is providing timely updates.

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justinh:

hashbang: meh. lusers screaming for 2.3 on their orange SF phones. stupid gets. let them eat more expensive phones

[14:35:50]

hashbang:

justinh: security updates, rather than functionality updates.

[14:36:05]

justinh:

updates are the biggest thing that pisses me off about android

[14:36:23]

Kimble:

justinh: lol, if you even get them for your particular phone.

[14:36:31]

justinh:

update this, update that, this update is available.. oh – and whatever image I run now just LOVES to change the market app to the newest one

[14:36:40]

justinh:

I change it back but it keeps going back to the new one

[14:37:14]

justinh:

Kimble: why are you concerned with dependencies anyway? disk space?

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Kimble:

justinh: among other things, yes.

[14:37:48]

justinh:

if you have to worry about storage for the programs, give up already

[14:38:01]

justinh:

because once you get into storing video.. oy

[14:38:24]

justinh:

a base ubuntu install is going to gobble up a good bit of a gigabyte for starters

[14:38:39]

justinh:

a mythtv install on top of that... not very much more tbh

[14:39:12]

justinh:

you could save at least what mythtv & all it depends on just by removing all the pointless *buntu-desktop default crap like OO & games

[14:39:24]

Kimble:

I just want to keep the install small so it can be eventually run from a USB flash drive or SD Card. The smaller the install for my functionality, the better.

[14:39:36]

Kimble:

Oh, but I run Ub11.10 Server. No GUI.

[14:41:13]

justinh:

you need X to set up mythtv

[14:41:27]

justinh:

I'll say that again for added effect

[14:41:29]

justinh:

you need X to set up mythtv

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Kimble:

Sure, but I think you can do it remotely.

[14:41:44]

justinh:

but you still need X stuff installed

[14:42:44]

Kimble:

Sounds fine. Then I'll install whatever X stuff is needed :) This is about getting mythtv-backend set up with the minimum dependencies. If I need X, then I'll install it :)

[14:42:46]

justinh:

also, last time I looked, ubuntu server wasn't exactly a frickin space miser either

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justinh:

if you're having to worry about space or processes that might make things less efficient.. then your priorities are pretty much out of whack when it comes to TV recording & serving IMHO

[14:43:51]

Kimble:

What I love about this conversation is that you more than likely have no clue how to answer my question – you're just another bored IRCer wasting my time :(

[14:44:05]

justinh:

no, just being realistic

[14:44:26]

justinh:

you don't really know what you *should* be aiming at, so you're asking questions based on your perceived ideal

[14:45:17]

Kimble:

Maybe I just don't want to spend all my time justifying my decisions?

[14:45:34]

justinh:

running from a USB stick or SD card is starting to make it sound like you're aiming to run this on a plugtop or something equally as useless

[14:46:18]

Kimble:

I repeat: I'm not here to justify my decision making process. I'm here for help installing mythtv-backend on Ubuntu 11.10 Server, using the bare minimum of dependencies.

[14:46:19]

justinh:

which, were it a practical idea, would be admirable – but mythtv isn't going to run on anything with that small a footprint

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Kimble:

So, now you're criticising me based on what you _perceive_ I'm attempting to do?

[14:46:47]

justinh:

whatever

[14:46:56]

justinh:

die in a fire or something

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hashbang:

Kimble: can't do you just do a minimal install, then let apt resolve the needed deps automagically?

[14:47:17]

Kimble:

well, he proved me right in the end, I guess.

[14:47:34]

** hashbang is a Fedoran – yum can do so **

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GrahamIRC:

or use mythbuntu

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justinh:

ubuntu is perfectly capable of showing you what all the dependencies of something are

[14:48:16]

justinh:

ask google

[14:48:23]

justinh:

or apt-get install revdep

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Kimble:

hashbang: I'm new to Ubuntu, but if I try "apt-get install mythtv-backend mythtv-database mysql" I get a whole bunch of GUI-related crap I don't need for a backend install.

[14:48:50]

justinh:

so?

[14:49:01]

justinh:

you DO need it :-)

[14:49:09]

justinh:

you only *think* you don't

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GrahamIRC:

I guess that's why they are called dependancies

[14:49:30]

justinh:

but you needn't worry about it because they don't really take up much room

[14:49:38]

hashbang:

Kimble: like justinh says, if that includes mythtv-setup, you will need Qt and a bunch of X libs and stuff

[14:49:44]

justinh:

not in any *real* terms

[14:50:02]

justinh:

I mean, I doubt it amounts to even 300MB worth of stuff

[14:50:06]

Kimble:

Ok. The last time I was on this channel, two devs here specifically told me that much of the stuff that are included as dependencies on Ubuntu are _not_ necessary.

[14:50:13]

devinheitmueller:

The key issue here is that the developers aren't attempting to provide very fine-grained dependencies, since disk space is not really a primary concern. As a result, installing a "minimal backend" is not a trivial exercise.

[14:50:33]

justinh:

that's likely the case, but what you're running into is what the packagers have decided

[14:50:41]

justinh:

NOT the mythtv developers

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GrahamIRC:

perhaps you could try one of the more minimal debian derived distros

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devinheitmueller:

If developers cared about that use case, there are certainly improvements that could be made to reduce the dependencies, but it's not even remotely a priority.

[14:50:58]

Kimble:

For example: sound libraries, transcoding libraries, GUI stuff, etc.

[14:50:59]

hashbang:

Kimble: you might well be able to trim the deps down if you build your own MythTV packages and disable some functionality

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justinh:

look at minimyth – that's a whole mythtv based distro – backend & all.. in less than 300MB disk space

[14:51:57]

justinh:

hashbang: not if he uses build-dep though ;-)

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tgm4883:

are you sure it's a depends and not a recommends?

[14:53:33]

tgm4883:

I haven't looked at what we're depending on recently

[14:53:35]

Kimble:

Hang on, maybe I'm looking at this the wrong way: can someone recommend a package that's designed from the ground-up to be a back-end serving live digital TV across a network?

[14:53:38]

justinh:

anyway how much does a 2GB SD card cost? :-P

[14:54:11]

Kimble:

justinh: a lot more than a little courtesy and politeness, yet you couldn't even afford that, my little hombre :)

[14:54:21]

justinh:

Kimble: oh fuck off dear

[14:54:22]

hashbang:

justinh: something less than the £7.40 I paid for my last 8GB SD card. :-)

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Kimble:

Look, just get me out your hair: what's an alternative to MythTV that doesn't require me to fit it to my needs. A dedicated live tv receiver with a minimal footprint and streams across a LAN?

[14:56:48]

tgm4883:

VLC?

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Kimble:

tgm4883: I considered that, but i think you have to transcode before you stream. At least that's what all the solutions I've found so far seem to suggest.

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** tgm4883 shrugs **

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tgm4883:

Kimble, this is like going to a Ford dealership and asking about a Honda

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GrahamIRC:

VLC seems like a very good solution

[14:58:37]

Kimble:

GrahamIRC: perhaps it is. Am I wrong about it having to transcode?

[14:59:18]

GrahamIRC:

I don't know it well enough to say. Is there an issue with it transcoding?

[14:59:31]

GrahamIRC:

it might help if we knew what your final aim was

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Kimble:

tgm4883: I would think that, if a Ford dealer had concluded that Ford was unable to offer a model that met my needs, they'd be happy to advise you from their own experience of competing manufacturers. No sale to lose, after all.

[15:00:42]

Kimble:

GrahamIRC: I want a minimal install of a package that will receive DVB-T, allow me to schedule remotely, and offer it up to networked machines.

[15:01:04]

GrahamIRC:

offer it up how?

[15:01:12]

tgm4883:

Kimble, moving this back to MythTV, I'm unsure why it doesn't meet your needs. But I didn't read all the backlog

[15:01:15]

GrahamIRC:

and how do you plan to schedule?

[15:01:46]

Kimble:

Offer it up over gigabit lan or 802.11n. and the scheduling can be via SSH or webgui.

[15:02:01]

tgm4883:

sounds like you want the backend and mythweb

[15:02:12]

GrahamIRC:

think I need a bit more detail around "offer it up"

[15:02:30]

GrahamIRC:

and perhaps more info on why you want to do this

[15:02:45]

Kimble:

tgm4883: mythtv backend was suggested to me as the ideal solution, yes. But installing just the backend doesn't seem to be easy to do.

[15:02:45]

GrahamIRC:

it's hard to recommend without knowing what you're try to acheive

[15:03:09]

GrahamIRC:

MythTV is a complex and highly functional product

[15:03:18]

tgm4883:

Kimble, you're talking about premade packages. Surely you can compile from source

[15:03:50]

Kimble:

GrahamIRC: I want to be able to stream the live DVB-T feed from my tuner to any of my networked macs in the raw mpg2 encoding. Channel changing should be possible on the remote machine.

[15:04:06]

GrahamIRC:

ok

[15:04:08]

Kimble:

tgm4883: well, if that's what it has to be, that's what it has to be.

[15:04:19]

GrahamIRC:

to just one of your MACs at a time?

[15:04:30]

GrahamIRC:

or potentially to more than one at a time?

[15:04:37]

Kimble:

GrahamIRC: One, two – doesn't matter, I have the network bandwidth to cope.

[15:04:43]

Kimble:

No more than two, tho.

[15:04:55]

GrahamIRC:

it does matter as it might change the solution

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** tgm4883 leaves for work **

[15:05:02]

GrahamIRC:

multicast, unicast

[15:06:07]

Kimble:

let's assume unicast.

[15:08:08]

GrahamIRC:

I have a MythTV backend and Frontend, but I can also watch live & recorded TV on windows using MythPlayer, but this is limited to one WinPC per tuner.

[15:08:32]

GrahamIRC:

the only way (with myth) to do what you want is to have a backend and several frontends

[15:08:58]

GrahamIRC:

it's probably possible to build a frontend on MAC but I have no experience, try the wiki http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV_on_Mac_OS_X

[15:09:38]

GrahamIRC:

The "easy" way is to use VLC to multicast the live stream and then run vlc on your MACs to "tune in" to that multicast

[15:10:08]

GrahamIRC:

not sure if VLC would support multiple clients trying to connect using unicast, but give it a go...

[15:10:09]

Kimble:

Ok. That was something I had considered. But does it have to transcode, or can it just throw the raw data without touching it?

[15:10:19]

GrahamIRC:

why does it matter?

[15:10:29]

Kimble:

Why do you care?

[15:11:07]

GrahamIRC:

you expect help with that attitude? so defensive, I can see why Justin left!

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[15:11:51]

justinh:

just buy a frickin SiliconDust HDHR already :-)

[15:11:56]

Kimble:

Well, there was no other way to say it. I had no attitude behind it, but it's a fair question. By the way, Justin told me to die in a fire and then to fuck off. I was nothing but polite to him. Check your logs.

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devinheitmueller:

Kimble: whether you need to transcode is typically dictated by whether the device you are playing back on requires a specific codec, or whether you need to adjust the bitrate or resolution. Without knowing your target usage, nobody can tell you whether transcoding is required.

[15:12:33]

justinh:

answering questions with more questions. it's the IRC way :-)

[15:12:50]

hashbang:

justinh: is it? ;-)

[15:12:59]

justinh:

he said he was going to stream to MACs didn't he? And I only glanced at the log

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Kimble:

devinheitmueller: actually, I already explained I want to throw the raw data – no transcoding.

[15:13:30]

justinh:

basically what you want Kimble is a network tuner. nothing more, nothing less. nothing like that really exists in software – everything is way more overcooked

[15:13:34]

devinheitmueller:

Kimble: if you don't need transcoding, then you don't need transcoding. Your question was circular. :-)

[15:14:04]

Kimble:

devinheitmueller: I didn't _ask_ for transcoding. I asked whether VLC needed to transcode before it would unicast.

[15:14:07]

justinh:

if all you want to do is stream TV across a network – fine – use whatever – but then controlling it from a client is less easy

[15:14:20]

justinh:

VLC *can* transcode but I'm not sure it HAS to

[15:14:28]

justinh:

that's something the VLC folks could better answer

[15:14:37]

devinheitmueller:

Kimble: no, VLC doesn't require you to transcode.

[15:15:05]

devinheitmueller:

But as I'm sure others have pointed out, VLC questions are better addressed to the VLC IRC channel.

[15:15:13]

Kimble:

devinheitmueller: is that a definite? You're saying it can grab the DVB stream off the tuner and just throw it as-is across my LAN?

[15:15:20]

devinheitmueller:

Kimble: yes.

[15:15:40]

devinheitmueller:

It will probably RTP or RTSP encapsulate it, but that's not transcoding.

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Kimble:

devinheitmueller: Thank you. A simple answer to a simple question. Be careful, with an attitude like that you'll get kicked off the channel :P

[15:15:52]

justinh:

mythtv would definitely not be for you if all you're aiming to do is stream livetv across a network to a couple of machines

[15:15:59]

devinheitmueller:

(I think they might have an option for just blasting the MPEG packets over UDP as well without RTP)

[15:16:35]

justinh:

a bit mroe background to what you were trying to achieve could've saved all this

[15:16:54]

GrahamIRC:

I think there may be some illegal intent

[15:17:10]

Kimble:

GrahamIRC: are you referring to me???

[15:17:14]

GrahamIRC:

otherwise, why so cagey and why MUST it not be tanscoded!

[15:17:22]

justinh:

nah. just trying to save money by not buying a HDHR :-)

[15:17:27]

GrahamIRC:

lol

[15:17:42]

justinh:

tying up a small system with USB or whatever & making it into a networked tuner

[15:18:09]

justinh:

again, something for which mythtv is just about the worst possible program imaginable

[15:18:10]

Kimble:

GrahamIRC: maybe I just don't won't to overwork the server with pointless transcoding operations?

[15:18:14]

devinheitmueller:

GrahamIRC: if his backend is underpowered, he might have been worried about the CPU overhead of transcoding.

[15:18:37]

GrahamIRC:

so why not just say that rather than the replies we did get?

[15:19:01]

Kimble:

Honestly, though you guys have no concept of accepting such criticism in the spirit in which it's meant – it's conversations such as this one we have just attempted to have that sends people away from Linux.

[15:19:02]

justinh:

because they weren't important. he had an idea that mythtv was what he needed so went down that line

[15:19:21]

GrahamIRC:

so it's everyone else, not you

[15:19:37]

Kimble:

I do wish you all well. I hope you have success in your careers etc. And that's genuine.

[15:19:47]

justinh:

GrahamIRC: all users expect the world to revolve around them. don't you?

[15:19:56]

Kimble:

Peace, and out.

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[15:20:04]

GrahamIRC:

I don't expect it to, it just does ;-)

[15:20:08]

justinh:

lol

[15:20:31]

GrahamIRC:

serendipitous

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justinh:

I'll try not to have any more outbursts like that again. it's been a while & I usually manage to stay out of here

[15:21:32]

GrahamIRC:

well you've been very helpful to me in the past JustinH so I hope you still visit now and then

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justinh:

I actually did think before I typed it & thought "sod it, if I get banned, I get banned, to hell with it"

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GrahamIRC:

bad day?

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justinh:

bored actually

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GrahamIRC:

lol the devil makes work for idle tongues or something like that

[15:22:58]

justinh:

read one too many facebook update today

[15:24:36]

justinh:

and I think linkedin.com & google are in cahoots. trying to get email from them to go to SPAM is like pulling teeth. They send me updates every day, I mark as spam & yet they still wind up in my inbox :-\

[15:25:02]

GrahamIRC:

fishy

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justinh:

I want to just kill the whole linkedin account but I'm told it's 'essential' in finding a job

[15:25:49]

justinh:

I hate it. It smells of SYNERGIZING

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GrahamIRC:

I hate the stench of synergy

[15:28:49]

GrahamIRC:

and have a natural resistance to complying with anything that "MUST" be done

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Freemason1977:

Would anyone here have any experience with hauppauge products or more specifically the HVR-1500

[15:29:08]

devinheitmueller:

Freemason1977: it's probably broken.

[15:29:13]

devinheitmueller:

Do you have the 1500 or the 1500q?

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iamlindoro:

Heh, classic answer

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Freemason1977:

1500 , it works fine in windows

[15:29:28]

iamlindoro:

(and no doubt accurate, but funny)

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devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: in this case, I actually have some knowledge of the situation.

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iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: Yeah, I know, see my second line

[15:29:53]

devinheitmueller:

Freemason1977: any errors in dmesg on driver load?

[15:29:55]

justinh:

well, more likely to run into somebody here than in, say #linguistics

[15:29:59]

devinheitmueller:

(for example, do you have the firmware installed?)

[15:30:16]

devinheitmueller:

There are two variants of the 1500 – one that has xc3028 and the other has xc5000. Both require firmware.

[15:30:20]

Freemason1977:

devinheitmueller: nothing that stands out

[15:30:32]

devinheitmueller:

Freemason1977: can you pastebin your dmesg so I can take a look?

[15:30:49]

devinheitmueller:

Also, do you have a /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 device?

[15:31:03]

justinh:

hmm. can't seem to find *any* font definition in that app's xml anywhere – so why do the screenshots look so awful?

[15:31:13]

justinh:

there's only one way to find out.. grab the app!

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hashbang:

justinh: bitmaps?

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justinh:

hashbang: nah. not on a modern app, surely...

[15:36:49]

justinh:

ahh whoever took the screenshots must be using that font in a theme on their phone

[15:36:54]

justinh:

no accounting for taste eh

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iamlindoro:

Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww why would you let the user control the font for your app

[15:37:42]

justinh:

not for the app... the whole phone

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iamlindoro:

ridonkulous

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devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: visually impaired?

[15:38:10]

justinh:

so it's impossible to skin the iPhone/iPad then?

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iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: the OS should handle that for me

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justinh:

not that I imagine anybody would really want to – but like I said, there's no accounting for taste

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hashbang:

justinh: The Steve has decreed that the current font is optimal. Succumb to The Will of The Steve.

[15:39:02]

justinh:

that's just it though. it is

[15:39:18]

justinh:

they probably researched it, tested it on focus groups...

[15:39:45]

justinh:

rather than some jumped-up android theme creator dropping a cursive font onto the OS for no sane reason

[15:40:55]

justinh:

that dont is likely putting users off trying the app. I know it put me off :-)

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justinh:

s/dont/font/

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Freemason1977:

ok i missed everything after i said "nothing that stands out"

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devinheitmueller:

(10:30:32 AM) devinheitmueller: Freemason1977: can you pastebin your dmesg so I can take a look?

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devinheitmueller:

(10:30:49 AM) devinheitmueller: Also, do you have a /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 device?

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Freemason1977:

yes and yes

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Freemason1977:

one sec

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justinh:

lol anybody seen the xbmc site recently – the 'hidden xbmc hardware' article? Oh man. Hilarious

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Freemason1977:

http://pastebin.com/fGv6isBd

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** devinheitmueller looks **

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devinheitmueller:

Freemason1977: nothing suspicious?

[15:47:39]

devinheitmueller:

xc2028 15–0061: Error: firmware xc3028-v27.fw not found.

[15:47:41]

devinheitmueller:

:-)

[15:47:52]

justinh:

spot the HTPC in this photo – amongst all the junk, I mean http://xbmc.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Y9Tgo.jpg

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Freemason1977:

i cant tell which card thats for

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Freemason1977:

i have two cards in here both dont work

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justinh:

the hvr1500, likely :)

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justinh:

yes, the back of his PS3 looks MUCH better now, what with the roughly dremeled plastic & all http://xbmc.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/xbmcps3.jpg

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Freemason1977:

ok well this is way over our pay grade, what actions do i take now?

[15:49:22]

devinheitmueller:

Freemason1977: yank one of the cards out so you can debug one problem at a time.

[15:49:35]

devinheitmueller:

But yeah, the 1500 does have a xc3028, so that is probably the issue.

[15:49:38]

devinheitmueller:

What's the other card?

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Freemason1977:

other is also cxblahblah something

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devinheitmueller:

The HVR-1500 is a cx23885 card.

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Freemason1977:

model number is something like volare

[15:50:21]

Freemason1977:

ok

[15:50:36]

Freemason1977:

ok i pulled out the usb stick

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devinheitmueller:

Volare is a Happuage card. That's probably the 1500.

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hashbang:

justinh: I think someone's put a mini-ITX PC inside a PS3 case. Once again, no accounting for taste...

[15:50:47]

Freemason1977:

only the 1500 remains

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** devinheitmueller checks **

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Freemason1977:

I pulled out the usb stick, the 1500 express card is inserted and locked down

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devinheitmueller:

I don't have my notes. But yeah, the 1500 is almost certainly the volare.

[15:51:59]

devinheitmueller:

Reboot with only the 1500 installed, and look at dmesg.

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Freemason1977:

ok brb

[15:52:18]

devinheitmueller:

If you put "xc3028-v27.fw" into Google, you will see various place you can get it.

[15:53:24]

justinh:

hashbang: it looks like all those VDR & Freevo 'VCR' hacks where somebody shoehorned an ATX mobo into an old VCR case & lashings of black tape

[15:53:31]

GrahamIRC:

JustinH – is that just a feeling in your water, or is it evidence based?

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hashbang:

justinh: mind you, given how ugly/expensive many PC cases are, it's not surprising that it often looks better to reuse the case of a broken VCR or what have you

[15:54:29]

justinh:

looks better. an ironic choice of phrasing ;-)

[15:55:03]

justinh:

depends on the craftsmanship I think. I've seen way too many shoddy mods

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hashbang:

justinh: me, I went with http://www.thetechypeople.co.uk/images/products/102114.jpg for my MythTV box

[15:56:14]

justinh:

looks a bit like my backend's enclosure

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Freemason1977:

be back shortly

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justinh:

hashbang: better a generic PC case than some badly hacked up repurposed box from an old appliance IMHO

[15:57:53]

justinh:

I've tried case modding & I know how hard it is to cut slots & rectangular shapes straight & true

[15:57:59]

justinh:

*damn* hard

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justinh:

easier without a dremel though ;-)

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hashbang:

justinh: the Silverstone HTPC cases looked OK, but expensive, and rather limited from an expansion point of view. Looked like a proper appliance, mind.

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justinh:

nah. they suck. I have an LC02

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justinh:

after the epia 10k board, definitely the biggest waste of money I've ever made

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justinh:

only really made 3 really bad computing purchasing decisions – 1. ATI All-In-Wonder. 2. Epia M10k board. 3. Silverstone LC02

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joemyth:

what was wrong with the epia?

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joemyth:

is it paranoid if I write a script to email me everytime someone logs in to my DVR

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quicksilver:

hashbang: I'm perfectly happy with my LC10

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bradd:

hmm..is this something to be concerned about: http://pastebin.com/1WsDFGgi

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bradd:

LC_CTYPE and LANG are set to en_US.utf8

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bradd:

err..en_US.UTF-8

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freemason1977:

Got the 1500 working .

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freemason1977:

Issue was with a missing firmware file

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freemason1977:

I would however like some help to get this packed USB stick working

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freemason1977:

wagnerrp: 1500 is working :)

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freemason1977:

check

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freemason1977:

check

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devinheitmueller:

freemason1977: which stick is it?

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freemason1977:

its a closed beta product devinheitmueller

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devinheitmueller:

freemason1977: well, then nobody here will be able to help you.

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freemason1977:

just need some general guidance

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devinheitmueller:

If they have Linux support, then complain to them that it doesn't work.

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freemason1977:

devinheitmueller: can i send you the 'du -a'

[16:54:42]

devinheitmueller:

Disk usage?

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freemason1977:

dir tree

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devinheitmueller:

Uh, ok.

[16:55:02]

devinheitmueller:

It's not clear how that will help, but sure.

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freemason1977:

cool thanks

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freemason1977:

well the hvr1500 is working patially that should be sufficient for now

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freemason1977:

ill have to puddle jump myth kernels to see if i can get the USB stick to kick something interesting out

[18:03:16]

freemason1977:

not a totall loss

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freemason1977:

bbiab

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freemason1977:

Beirdo: thanks for your help btw

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freemason1977:

Its greatly appreciated

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freemason1977:

alright bbl

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freemason1977:

bye

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qwebirc94290:

with the latest mythbuntu-repos 0.24-fixes builds they now added the --enable-crystalhd compile flag....are there any tricks to set up the playback profile for crystalhd?....My playback is still stutters every second or so

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dekarl:

qwebirc94290: I don't know for sure, but you likely need to enable it at the same place where you enable VDPAU http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/VDPAU#Enabling_VDPAU_in_MythFrontend (if that's true can you update http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Broadcom_Crystal_H . . . uring_MythTV ?)

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qwebirc94290:

I changed the decoder to crystalhd but guessed on the Video renderer and OSD renderer

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qwebirc94290:

I chose xv-blit and softblend

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dekarl:

hmm, no OpenGL renderer available?

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sphery:

best results are likely obtained from using vdpau instead of chd

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sphery:

opengl renderer is more resource-intensive than Xv

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qwebirc94290:

yes...but that didn't seem to help

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sphery:

softblend is relatively resource intensive (but only has an effect when OSD is shown)

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qwebirc94290:

I can't add a vdpau gpu to this box so I'm stuck with chd

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sphery:

broadcom seems to have all but abandoned the chd, which means that although semi-supported in mythtv, the card isn't that useful

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sphery:

decoding is only a part of video processing, and unlike vdpau, chd can't handle other parts, such as deinterlacing, scaling, timing, display

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qwebirc94290:

I've been able to get it working well in xbmc with mythbox but like the playback features of mythfrontend better

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sphery:

hehe, well, I'm all for using mythfrontend rather than mythbox, but don't know any details of chd configuration

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sphery:

do you have a 12 or 15 version?

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qwebirc94290:

so it looks like the hardware is capable...is there any testing I can do for the developers?

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qwebirc94290:

I got the 15...made sure of that

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sphery:

ok, I think that's the better supported one

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joemyth:

anyone have any suggestions for a good (quiet) frontend?

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wagnerrp:

one on the opposite side of a wall or floor

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joemyth:

in the backyard maybe?

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wagnerrp:

nah, had to waterproof that stuff

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sphery:

+1 for different room/closet/cabinet

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wagnerrp:

hard

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Scopeuk:

could work, there are for the "silent" option boxes that will send hdmi + usb over a length of cat 5 e

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sphery:

wagnerrp: wouldn't it just be liquid-cooled if outside in the rain?

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wagnerrp:

heh

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sphery:

joemyth: basically, if you want small, pretty, and quiet, you pay a hefty price

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wagnerrp:

joemyth: small, silent, good, cheap... pick three

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Scopeuk:

i have an amd fusion board, it seams to do the job, its fanless with a 5600 rpm drive, but no good as a hd frotn end unless youhave hardware acel (its only in the latest snapshot builds iirc)

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sphery:

you can get the same benefit (or more, even--since it's "invisible", which is prettier than pretty) for cheap by just putting it somewhere else

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wagnerrp:

Scopeuk: assuming you can actually get the AMD drivers to do what theyre supposed to

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joemyth:

i live in a small apartment, though, so it would have to like go in a sock drawer

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wagnerrp:

but then you're still in the same boat as ION users, with an underpowered CPU without sufficient performance to fall back on should hardware decoding fail

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joemyth:

why would hardware decoding fail, though? my recordings are always going to be the same HDPVR format, no?

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wagnerrp:

joemyth: quiet cooling becomes a lot easier if you have somewhere to hide a big box

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sphery:

well, with AMD, hardware decoding fails because a) drivers suck and b) VAAPI sucks :)

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Scopeuk:

mines been fairly reliable

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sphery:

big box allows for big fans, which are nice for quiet

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wagnerrp:

if all of your recordings come from an hdpvr, and those are the only videos you are ever going to play, and hauppauge never changes the firmware to use some option that makes vdpau choke

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wagnerrp:

then you should be good

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Scopeuk:

but i don't run myth+vappi yet

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sphery:

Scopeuk: yeah, but you said "no good as a hd frontend"--which is basically what wagnerrp was saying

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sphery:

you're limited by the CPU

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Scopeuk:

sphery, i ahve no hd source yet

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Scopeuk:

so i ahvent tried

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sphery:

at least the ION users have vdpau for when it works

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Scopeuk:

bluray playback works though

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wagnerrp:

its acceptable for your current needs, but its not what we would consider a "good frontend"

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Scopeuk:

but i take your point

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Scopeuk:

wagnerrp, agreed

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joemyth:

i couldnt imagine going back to sdtv

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Scopeuk:

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joemyth:

i'd rather watch sctv than sdtv

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Scopeuk:

my intention is to add a hd tuner as soon as a find one at a suitable price point, dvbs2 or t2

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sphery:

wagnerrp: have you seen any real comparisons of cpu showing amd athlon II versus for example, the A4–3300?

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sphery:

A4–3300 being the 2.5GHz 65W dual-core A-series desktop CPU

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wagnerrp:

nope, but the A4s are all fairly low clock rate

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sphery:

(llano)

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wagnerrp:

theyre just a stars core with a graphics die

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sphery:

right, I know you can easily get 3.xGHz athlon ii, but I'd think that 2.5GHz wouldn't be bad

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wagnerrp:

they ARE an Athlon II

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sphery:

so should still be reasonable, then

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wagnerrp:

they do come with significantly reduced cache

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sphery:

yeah, I know there's some changes, which is why I wondered how they compared

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sphery:

but if Scopeuk says his plays bluray, I'd guess it's not a bad proc

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sphery:

(though would be better paired with vdpau-compatible nvidia gpu)

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sphery:

even if that means "disabling" (or ignoring) the integrated

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wagnerrp:

Scopeuk: is it an A or an E?

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sphery:

Scopeuk: which CPU do you have?

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Scopeuk:

using vappi it plays bluray at about 15% utalisation

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wagnerrp:

usually when people talk about Fusion chips, theyre talking about the low power Es

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sphery:

ah, so that's with vaapi

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Scopeuk:

let me ssh in

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sphery:

I'm actually considering getting a new frontend box, and trying to decide between an a-series or an athlon ii (leaning toward the ii, right now, since it's still cheaper)

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sphery:

regardless of chip, though, I'll use a discrete nvidia gpu

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wagnerrp:

an A4 would be good for most content, but it would be a bit on the light side for HDPVR content (until we get the -mt stuff), and anything bluray

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wagnerrp:

an A6 should be fine for bluray, but would again be a bit light for HDPVR content

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Scopeuk:

AMD E-350 Processor

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sphery:

problem with a6 is it's much slower clock rate

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wagnerrp:

not really, 2.1 and 2.6GHz

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sphery:

A4–3400 is 2.7GHz

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Scopeuk:

dual core with 512 cache, its been a while since I put this box together and got it going

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wagnerrp:

still enough for anything MPEG2

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wagnerrp:

and four cores for anything bluray

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sphery:

A6–3650 is 2.6GHz

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wagnerrp:

its the HDPVR stuff thats a problem

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sphery:

I didn't realize they had the 2.6GHz quad-core (because I never look at cpus with >65W TDP)

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sphery:

I thought the best was like the A6–3500 (2.1GHz triple core)

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joemyth:

2.1? 2.6? doesnt that stuff get really hot?

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wagnerrp:

65W and 100W

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wagnerrp:

thats not too hard to deal with, provided sufficient heatsink

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sphery:

anyway, I'd be better off with a 65W dual-core than a 100W quad core (especially since I run BOINC/SETI@home)

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wagnerrp:

it comes back to size

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wagnerrp:

with large enough size, you can make anything quiet

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joemyth:

so you use full size desktops for your FE's?

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wagnerrp:

i ran an 89W opteron for years without it making a noise

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wagnerrp:

a 120mm heatsink, with a 120x38mm panaflo

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wagnerrp:

you could stick your ear right up to the fan and not hear a thing

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wagnerrp:

that was a wonderful fan

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sphery:

joemyth: that's why we stick our frontend systems in other rooms/closet/cabinet/basement/attic

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wagnerrp:

yes, one frontend (combo backend) is in the basement, with cables run up through the floor

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joemyth:

and you have a long IR receiver going up to the TV?

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wagnerrp:

the other is stuffed behind a large wooden HT cabinet

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sphery:

(just be careful with attic if it's not cooled--as running in a 150F environment isn't conducive to good cooling)

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wagnerrp:

not long, 12' of USB

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sphery:

I have an RF remote (though I do use a USB extension to allow putting the receiver in the viewing room--which is pretty much center of my house)

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wagnerrp:

and if you really wanted, you could run video, audio, and IR over a single HDMI cable

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sphery:

that said, I wouldn't recommend my particular remote... it's the best RF remote I've found, but it's not a great remote

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wagnerrp:

assuming your hardware is all sufficiently modern to support it

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joemyth:

RF chews through batteries no?

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sphery:

(has tons of keys, RF, sends signals that are received by a USB receiver connected to the computer rather than an RF signal that's then received and translated to an IR signal by a harmony extender), but the buttons are "squishy" and reliability isn't great

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sphery:

I use rechargeable batteries, so every 2–3mos, I have to recharge them (but mine uses 4xAAA, where the AAAs I have are 1000mAh versus the AAs I can get at 2700mAh or better, so I'd prefer 2xAA, which I think the newer models use)

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joemyth:

when i run out of batteries, i end up getting a new remote because it takes me like 2 months to realize the batteries are dead.. by then the buttons are all busted up

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sphery:

hehe

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joemyth:

i've gone through like 3 silver hauppauges

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sphery:

gotta say I don't think the buttons on mine could be busted up

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sphery:

they're durable--but they're basically just silicone

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sphery:

so they feel squishy... not like most remotes, where you can tell if the button press "took"

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joemyth:

oh i see what you mean

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sphery:

mine is the ATI Remote Wonder, though

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joemyth:

i dont love that

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sphery:

RW II is probably better and RW Plus looked nice, but I couldn't find a place to buy an RW+ without buying a GPU

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joemyth:

i've been using these hauppauges for like.. 5 years.. i couldnt imagine changing

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Scopeuk:

to throw another semi useful option out there, we've been using an android tablet and the mythremote app alot of late

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sphery:

I would never use a remote that requires looking at the remote/away from screen

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joemyth:

yeah thats so inefficient isnt it?

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joemyth:

definitely fun

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sphery:

I like "telepathic" interface of the standard remote (where I can tell MythTV to do what I want by feel/by muscle memory)

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joemyth:

this FE business is so surprising – I was very much spoiled by my sagetv sigma designs fanless extender

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sphery:

huh, seems you can get FW+ on ebay for about $23 + $5S&H... so question becomes whether it's worth the effort to add proper support for it

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Scopeuk:

fw+?

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sphery:

RW+

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sphery:

typo

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Scopeuk:

ahh ok

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sphery:

though looks like it's basically another dead product, so not really worth the effort

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wagnerrp:

joemyth: since sage controls their extender, they know ahead of time what it can and cannot play

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wagnerrp:

meaning they can simply not show it on the extender, or transcode it so it will play

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joemyth:

I actually wouldnt even know – i use a sandybridge CPU so it could just be transcoding everything without me noticing

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TandyUK:

from mythtv with the latest version, how on earth do i create playlists

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TandyUK:

for audio and video

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wagnerrp:

right click on the recording, add to playlist

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TandyUK:

how do you "right click" with a remote control?>

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wagnerrp:

not right click... 'menu'

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TandyUK:

ok, so what if there is no "add to playlist" option

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sphery:

there used to be a right click

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sphery:

TandyUK: hit menu again

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sphery:

(and this assumes you're in Watch Recordings, not in mythvideo)

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TandyUK:

yeah i get the menu

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TandyUK:

ah

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sphery:

there are 2 menus

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sphery:

both accessible with menu

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TandyUK:

well theyre not bothered about recordings

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sphery:

so depending on where you are, you may have to hit menu 2x

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TandyUK:

the 2 specific requests im trying to tell my friend

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wagnerrp:

mythmusic does its own playlists

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TandyUK:

is, for the 12000 mp3s they have, how to create a playlist

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wagnerrp:

mythvideo does not currently support playlists

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wagnerrp:

but you can 'play all content in folder'

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TandyUK:

and for the 1000 or so movies they have how to do a playlist

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wagnerrp:

why would you want to play movies in a playlist?

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sphery:

fwiw, before we had "hit menu one or 2 times, depending," we actually had a right click action

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TandyUK:

"does not currently" i hope that means it is a develope priority

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wagnerrp:

priority? no... but likely to happen after some other changes make it easy to do so

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TandyUK:

ok, were having a party, for example one of the folders is music videos

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TandyUK:

i dont want them in the order in the folder, nor completley random

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wagnerrp:

then select the folder, hit menu, and play all in folder

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TandyUK:

or for example porn

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TandyUK:

^^

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wagnerrp:

no option for that

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joemyth:

ive never been at a party that had porn playing in the background

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TandyUK:

so when i want to change the orde,r i have to manually rename every file to make myth list it on the right order

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wagnerrp:

you can fake a playlist, by marking one video as a child video of the next

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TandyUK:

youve never been to a decent party then lol

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wagnerrp:

but thats hardly convenient

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joemyth:

run a script to create links in random order or something in some folder

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TandyUK:

neither of these are user friendly

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kormoc:

use vlc or mplayer?

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TandyUK:

im a geek, i understand what you mean

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TandyUK:

my customer has a remote control, and realistically expects to be able to every action from the remote

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TandyUK:

or possibly, from mythweb

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wagnerrp:

joemyth: mythtv hashes files to track renamed files and keep the metadata

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TandyUK:

but it seems neither is a viable option

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wagnerrp:

as a consequence, you cannot have multiple copies of a single file

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joemyth:

hashes the entire file? really?

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wagnerrp:

no, just the first and last 64KB

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wagnerrp:

enough to guarantee uniqueness, but not cause a huge performance hit

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TandyUK:

or for example watching a series of something

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TandyUK:

eg structure like

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TandyUK:

Program name > season 1 > ep 1, ep2, etc

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wagnerrp:

you can tell it to play all in folder

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kormoc:

and it will play them in order

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wagnerrp:

but you cant tell it to start at a certain point in that list

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wagnerrp:

it will just start at the beginning

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joemyth:

64kb x2 guarantees uniquenuess?

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wagnerrp:

sure

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wagnerrp:

that plus the filesize

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joemyth:

oh okay filesize

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wagnerrp:

filesize alone is practically enough for that purpose

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joemyth:

yeah i would expect

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wagnerrp:

in any case, youre more likely to hit a collision in the 64-bit hash, than find two files with identical first and last 64kb

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joemyth:

why? if they have the same start/end credits?

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joemyth:

(see 80's sitcoms)

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wagnerrp:

even if they used the same digital source for those, they will be spliced into the raw video and then encoded all at once

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wagnerrp:

and the decoder will not behave the same

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justinh:

joemyth: the epia board completely relied on HW acceleration for even SDTV playback. S U C K

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justinh:

which worked fine, til the BBC changed something in their DVB-T transmissions – then it failed to playback without juddering. Which is why I doubt I'll ever put myself in a situation where I totally rely on HW decoding again

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sphery:

TandyUK: I think you accidentally switched channels to #mythtv

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TandyUK:

no im here too

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sphery:

ok, then I should mention that here is the right place to talk about feature requests :)

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wagnerrp:

the other channel would be asking questions about how you would add playlists to mythvideo

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wagnerrp:

not asking why they dont exist

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TandyUK:

well i was aiming to ask the devs is any of them had any interest in playlists

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justinh:

playlists in mythvideo don't exist because nobody has bothered coding them yet :-)

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TandyUK:

exactly

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TandyUK:

so where better to ask about it than in the dev channel

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justinh:

if any dev had interest in doing it, it'd likely have been started now :)

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wagnerrp:

TandyUK: i explained, there are no plans to add them at current

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TandyUK:

i am a dev too btw, just not for mythtv

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TandyUK:

so looks like ill be the one coding it

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justinh:

funny nick btw

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wagnerrp:

however there are changes to the database schema planned in the fairly near future that would make adding them much simpler

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TandyUK:

its my company name

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sphery:

joemyth: my thoughts... Hardware encoding is a reasonable idea, as it takes a standard input and encodes it to a single standard output. Hardware decoding, however, needs to be able to deal with hundreds/thousands/millions of variations in input--something which isn't easy to do. Therefore, you can either implement decoding in hardware--where you can't fix it after new material is found--or in software, where you can fix it. Note, ...

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sphery:

... also, that "new material" can be as benign as someone changing encoding options in the program used to encode the video into the exact same container and using the exact same codec

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justinh:

you bought the trade name? heh

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wagnerrp:

at which point playlists may very well get added just because they can

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TandyUK:

its based on my surname

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TandyUK:

and my country

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TandyUK:

not that odd really

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sphery:

Hardware decoding is just decoding software etched (permanently) into silicon. I like my software stored on re-writable media, where I can fix it.

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TandyUK:

and as James was already taken here lol

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justinh:

TandyUK: used to be an electronics retailer called Tandy here, the UK arm of Radio Shack

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TandyUK:

yeah

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TandyUK:

theyre bankrupt for abotu 10 years

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Scopeuk:

sphery, roll on generic fpga bassed accelerators

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TandyUK:

i still get calls from old folk asking if i can fix their vcrs etc lol

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justinh:

carphone warehouse bought em & the name

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TandyUK:

or supply a random cable

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TandyUK:

yeah i know :)

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TandyUK:

2004 iirc

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TandyUK:

intertan is the parent corporation in the states

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sphery:

Scopeuk: yeah, those--or even shader-based decoding software--wouldn't be too bad, provided they're not locked in a proprietary/closed-source driver/programming implementation (and provided you're licensed to modify the programming)

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sphery:

basically, though, I want to be able to modify it--which is why I don't use Windows MCE

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Scopeuk:

there is a plotted vaapi backend using a generic open gl shader. don't know if they got anywhere with it

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skd5aner:

ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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skd5aner:

stupid TWC, has severly screwed up my ability to control my cable box via firewire

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skd5aner:

any signal sent to it now puts it into the diagnostic screen mode and flashes the message LED

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skd5aner:

(via firewire)

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skd5aner:

the script that's worked nice for years

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skd5aner:

they are just evil

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Scopeuk:

isen't the firewire support a federal mandate?

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wagnerrp:

not any longer

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Scopeuk:

you'll have to excuse my ignorance on this on I'm not American

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Scopeuk:

ok

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sphery:

I'm American, and I didn't know the current status, either :)

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skd5aner:

man this sucks

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skd5aner:

It won't receive a 4'th digit anymore, even with the special "4'th digit" flag

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sphery:

skd5aner: you're using 6200ch?

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sphery:

skd5aner: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/492862#492862 or, if you want to try internal changer, there's http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/461077#461077 --and feel free to clean up the patch to make it dynamic/support any length argument, and we can commit it :)

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sphery:

someone in here last night switched to 6200ch from internal and it's working for him with -4 arg

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wagnerrp:

sphery: i heard someone say this some time back, and have since been repeating it, that playlist support would be a lot easier once videos and recordings are partially merged with the schema rewrite

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wagnerrp:

but playlists are not currently stored at all

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wagnerrp:

im wondering if it might be worth tacking on an additional playlist table, tied to metadataid

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skd5aner:

sphery: sa3250hd

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skd5aner:

I've tried several scripts out there that support various firmwares of 3250s and 4250s – no dice

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skd5aner:

some of them send the channels, but sometimes it takes double keypresses, never takes a 4 digit number, and causes other issues like putting the STB in a state that if you hit the info button the OSD diagnostic screen appears

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bixter:

anyone use sdlmame with qjoypad?

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skd5aner:

sphery: isn't the built in firewire channel changing script only valid when you are using it against a firewire tuner? If you are using an analog caputre device, and simply want to leverage firewire for channel changing, don't you have to rely on a 3'rd party script?

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sphery:

in 0.24-fixes, you can only use internal with firewire tuners

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sphery:

in unstable/development, you can use it with others, but there's no UI for configuring

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sphery:

didn't realize you were using analog capture, though

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skd5aner:

yea – never was able to get anything at all off firewire (haven't tried in 2 years though)

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skd5aner:

but it made for a great channel changing capbility, and about a year ago I integrated some power on/off capabilities which worked great

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skd5aner:

the funny thing now is if I give it a power on command, it'll turn on for 1 second, then turn off

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skd5aner:

if I give it a power off command, it'll power off for one second,and turn back on

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sphery:

hehe, fun

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skd5aner:

almost like a double-key-press issue or something

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skd5aner:

it's all fubar – whatever update they pushed 2 nights ago

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skd5aner:

(capturing through an HD-PVR, btw)

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sphery:

yeah, it's nice to be able to tune my stuff without worrying about a cable company messing required functionality

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skd5aner:

also – I've tried about 3 or 4 scripts... not sure if the internal would provide any better results or not

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sphery:

though to get that, I have to do without cable tv

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sphery:

have you tried 6200ch? (can it even be used with an sa3250hd?)

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skd5aner:

I tried the mythchanger script, which has 7 options, I believe onewas the 6200, no luck

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sphery:

seems maybe not (at least not without adding a define for the model)

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sphery:

unless it's one of the DC?3200* models or something

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skd5aner:

sorry about this, sorta lazy right now:

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skd5aner:

1 = SA3250HD

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skd5aner:

2 = SA4200HD (and some 3250s)

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skd5aner:

3 = SA4250HDC

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skd5aner:

4 = SA4250HDC alternate (and 4240HDCs with 4250 firmware)

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skd5aner:

5 = SA8300

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skd5aner:

6 = Motorola Fast (DCH and DCT series)

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skd5aner:

7 = Motorola Single-digit (default)

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sphery:

I meant the 6200ch program – http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/6200ch

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skd5aner:

this is what I was using to manage power – http://code.google.com/p/stb-command/

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skd5aner:

node 1: vendor_id = 0x00001947 model_id = 0x00000be0

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skd5aner:

Could not find Motorola DCT-6200 on the 1394 bus.

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skd5aner:

I guess I could adding those

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sphery:

did you try the -v -v thing?

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skd5aner:

6200ch -v -v -4 -q

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skd5aner:

starting with node: 1

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skd5aner:

node 1: vendor_id = 0x00001947 model_id = 0x00000be0

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skd5aner:

Could not find Motorola DCT-6200 on the 1394 bus.

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sphery:

just 6200ch -v -v 750

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sphery:

or whatever

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skd5aner:

same thing

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skd5aner:

I'm sure it's because the vendor/model id's don't match up

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sphery:

right, I don't think 6200ch supports SA boxes

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skd5aner:

Beirdo: great timing huh? You send me the thing that was causing my recordings to fail on the HD-PVR, and the same day I get a firmware push to my STB that prevents me from changing channels :/

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skd5aner:

er, I should say, you send me the thing that helps fix when my recordings fail

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Beirdo:

how nice of them

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Beirdo:

fetch the trebuchet

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jm|laptop:

Fetchez la vache

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Beirdo:

gah, I record too much crap

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Beirdo:

Total Running Time:

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Beirdo:

1 year 5 months 10 days 4 hrs 10 mins

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Beirdo:

Total Recorded:

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Beirdo:

6 months 17 days 10 mins

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Beirdo:

stupid paste didn't work right, that was supposed to be 2 lines

[23:24:49]

** Beirdo slaps X **

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Beirdo:

that's an average of almost 12h/day recorded

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

err, just over 8h/day

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Beirdo:

can't divide

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sphery:

Beirdo: wow, that's a ton of recording per year

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wagnerrp:

what percentage of time spent recording? 5%?

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sphery:

I'm: Total Running Time: 7 years 7 months 4 days 6 hrs 55 mins / Total Recorded: 1 year 6 months 3 days 2 hrs 35 mins / Percent of time spent recording: 3%

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sphery:

with the new Udo-approved calculation of Percentage

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Beirdo:

hehehe

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Beirdo:

3%

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sphery:

yeah, so, see, Beirdo we record the same amount

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Beirdo:

yeah, I record FAR too much

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Beirdo:

not exactly

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Beirdo:

I'm at about 1/3 of full-time

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sphery:

we're both 3%, though

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Beirdo:

you're at about 1/6 or so

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sphery:

therefore, the same

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Beirdo:

yeah, new math :)

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sphery:

unless 3% of /your/ year is different from 3% of mine

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Beirdo:

it must be

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sphery:

I'm considering changing that back

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sphery:

see if Udo forgot

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Beirdo:

that was Udo's request?

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Beirdo:

hehe

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sphery:

yep

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kormoc:

"I have twice as much time per year if I have two tuners!"

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Beirdo:

please apply the trout liberally

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sphery:

I have 6 years/yr

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sphery:

Just bought 2 more years/yr from Hauppauge

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Beirdo:

including multi-rec.. I have 11 years/yr on the main system

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Beirdo:

and another 4 years/yr on my devel boxes

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sphery:

Who ever thought that Hauppauge would become a global power... http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1637688/

[23:49:49]

sphery:

(where people have to buy time... :)

[23:50:32]

Beirdo:

ugh, Justin Timberlake again

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sphery:

Justin Timberlake plays Devin H in this new fast-paced thriller...

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sphery:

anyway, for fun times reading a ticket that backed kormoc into a corner... http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5262

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wagnerrp:

commercial driver developer by day... open source driver developer by night

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sphery:

Oh, I stand corrected... Udo wasn't pleased with the changed version, either...

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Beirdo:

hehehe

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sphery:

Guess I should change it under the radar--without a ref--so as not to poke any sleeping bears

[23:54:15]

Beirdo:

fix it back to the original and see if he whines

[23:54:27]

Beirdo:

I prefer the original (correct) way

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sphery:

yeah, I will (with kormoc's permission--or at least kormoc's willingness to ignore my doing so)

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Beirdo:

yeah, I doubt he'll object

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kormoc:

Change away

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sphery:

hehe, ok, but feel free to blame me if people whine

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Beirdo:

we can share the blame :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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sphery:

dev box is occupied, now, so it will happen tomorrow, likely

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Beirdo:

dev this!

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