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| [00:00:15] | Aeth: | Otherwise the same? |
| [00:00:27] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [00:00:34] | iamlindoro: | the 6 tuner is two three tuner usnits in a single chassis |
| [00:00:35] | sphery: | 6-tuner one requires 2 cablecards (at least one per 3 tuners, right)? |
| [00:00:41] | iamlindoro: | correct |
| [00:00:49] | Aeth: | What's the difference between the Prime and the Dual? |
| [00:00:56] | Aeth: | Just 3 and 2? |
| [00:01:03] | sphery: | dual is no cablecard, I think |
| [00:01:06] | Aeth: | ah |
| [00:01:14] | sphery: | clearqam or ota only |
| [00:01:14] | Aeth: | That's why the dual is considerably cheaper |
| [00:01:19] | sphery: | likely :) |
| [00:01:19] | iamlindoro: | correct, dual is clearQAM only-- which is not much |
| [00:01:35] | sphery: | there was no need to pay off the DRM cartel :) |
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| [00:01:43] | Aeth: | And Comcast + CableCard + HDHomeRun Prime is the best solution? |
| [00:01:56] | sphery: | + very recent 0.24-fixes |
| [00:02:15] | iamlindoro: | Prime is definitely the best solution with Comcast |
| [00:02:17] | iamlindoro: | (IMHO) |
| [00:02:24] | sphery: | i.e. make sure you enable current -fixes rather than whatever version comes with your distro's last release |
| [00:02:32] | sphery: | such as http://www.mythbuntu.org/repos |
| [00:02:55] | Aeth: | Is $229 the best price? http://www.amazon.com/SiliconDust-HDHR3-CC-HD . . . /B004HKIB6E/ |
| [00:03:10] | Twiggy2cents: | Have you guys heard of anyone using Mediacom cable? I am curious what channels are available with the prime setup. (they are a smaller company 3–4 states I think) |
| [00:03:53] | Twiggy2cents: | I dont have any plans to leave my ATSC setup, but I am curious |
| [00:04:33] | sphery: | Aeth: this was likely Thanksgiving/Black Fridy/Cyber Monday type specials, but: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/497605#497605 |
| [00:04:44] | iamlindoro: | Aeth: $199 on Newegg, but currently out of stock |
| [00:04:50] | iamlindoro: | Was 169 this last weekend |
| [00:04:55] | Aeth: | sphery: So 3 tuner means three separate computers on the network can run it simultaneously? |
| [00:05:13] | sphery: | generally, you set up 3 tuners in one mythbackend |
| [00:05:16] | iamlindoro: | Yes, though more realistically you would want one computer to control all three tuners |
| [00:05:23] | sphery: | then 3 different frontends can watch Live TV at a time |
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| [00:05:38] | Twiggy2cents: | http://www.adorama.com/ICDHDHR3CC.html?utm_te . . . source=gbase |
| [00:05:46] | sphery: | or you can record 3 channels at once using proper recording rules |
| [00:05:50] | Twiggy2cents: | They are out of stock, but will let you order at that price. |
| [00:05:58] | sphery: | and not using Live TV (which is a waste of your Life TV) |
| [00:06:14] | iamlindoro: | Twiggy2cents: Newegg is the "primary" vendor-- they will get new stock faster |
| [00:06:34] | Twiggy2cents: | Ohh, I didnt read that that wasnt their sale price |
| [00:06:45] | sphery: | ah, whoops, the link I gave was the ceton price |
| [00:06:53] | sphery: | (and since that's not supported, it's not an ideal card) |
| [00:07:09] | Twiggy2cents: | They have free shipping, I dunno if newegg does. |
| [00:07:34] | Aeth: | Newegg shipping is close to $7 |
| [00:08:15] | sphery: | newegg never show free shipping on out-of-stock items |
| [00:08:29] | sphery: | but many (most?) items tend to be free shipping when in stock |
| [00:08:30] | Twiggy2cents: | sphery, I use live tv sometimes. Unlike you devs in here, sometimes I am not very busy and run out of recordings. If I am patient I will wait ~30 minutes so I can skip commercials and not catch up. |
| [00:08:48] | sphery: | Twiggy2cents: just means you don't have enough rules in place |
| [00:08:57] | sphery: | you shouldn't be recording things you definitely want to watch |
| [00:09:08] | sphery: | you should record everything you /might/ possibly ever want to watch |
| [00:09:11] | sphery: | then you never run out |
| [00:09:51] | sphery: | and you end up with: 1767 programs, using 7.3 TB (2 months 10 days 8 hrs 58 mins) out of 10 TB (3.2 TB free). |
| [00:10:00] | Twiggy2cents: | Lol, I dunno how many worthwhile stations you can grab, but the good stations I can get is ABC CBS CW Fox |
| [00:10:09] | Twiggy2cents: | I dont really care for anything but primetime stuff |
| [00:10:10] | sphery: | (I'm a watch and delete guy--don't archive anything--so all of those are unwatched shows) |
| [00:10:13] | Aeth: | Woah. |
| [00:10:37] | Aeth: | I "only" have 590 GB free on this machine. |
| [00:10:45] | Twiggy2cents: | Speaking up delete, should I just wait till they expire, or is there an easy way to clear out a whole series? |
| [00:10:47] | sphery: | I have OTA only, so generally just primetime (though get some Nova and various woodworking shows from PBS at other times, too) |
| [00:10:52] | sphery: | and can get all of the local channels |
| [00:11:10] | sphery: | and have 6 physical tuners to allow me to record from all the interesting channels at the same time :) |
| [00:11:40] | Twiggy2cents: | I stepped it up to two and I have no problems being conflict free. |
| [00:11:52] | sphery: | to clear a whole series, Watch Recordings, select the series title in the left column, MENU|Add this group to the playlist, MENU|Playlist Options|Delete (or Delete and allow re-record) |
| [00:11:59] | Twiggy2cents: | That was only for days like friday with nikita/supernatural/fringe |
| [00:12:09] | sphery: | might need MENU 2 times, though, depending on where exactly you are in the Watch Recordings screen |
| [00:12:18] | Twiggy2cents: | Ohh, I didnt try that |
| [00:12:46] | sphery: | you don't have to delete recordings--autoexpire will take care of it for you |
| [00:12:56] | sphery: | I just do because once i watch them, I have no need to keep them around |
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| [00:13:10] | sphery: | (and I'm still a believer that fair use entails time shifting, which doesn't permit archiving) |
| [00:13:11] | Twiggy2cents: | I have 2.25TB of storage at about 63% used. I just want to delete them so it is easier to navigate to, and watch shows I havent seen yet |
| [00:13:24] | Twiggy2cents: | I dont utilize the left hand show series column much. |
| [00:13:37] | Twiggy2cents: | I dont bother with any archiving either. |
| [00:13:46] | sphery: | yeah, deleting them (either off disk or to the Deleted recording group) is definitely good for making it easier to navigate |
| [00:14:00] | Twiggy2cents: | I used to archive andy griffith and I love lucy, but then I got bored of them. Now I have half a million of them. |
| [00:14:20] | sphery: | note though that you can take things out of the playlist by selecting the show you want to remove and then Remove from playlist or something like that |
| [00:14:36] | sphery: | so if you add a whole group to a playlist, make sure you take out any you don't want to delete before deleting |
| [00:14:43] | Twiggy2cents: | Gotcha |
| [00:15:01] | sphery: | btw, I'm looking forward to Supernatural... haven't started it, yet, because I like knowing that I still have a bunch to watch |
| [00:15:12] | Twiggy2cents: | There needs to be a genocide button for the groups. |
| [00:15:28] | sphery: | but I'm getting to the point where it's likely to get watched right after I finish the 2 series I'm watching now |
| [00:15:38] | Twiggy2cents: | lol it is good, the wife is bored with it. She is all about ringer and terra nova atm |
| [00:15:48] | sphery: | I thought terra nova would be good |
| [00:15:55] | Twiggy2cents: | Have you watched any yet? |
| [00:16:00] | sphery: | but it would be better if it was a story about time travel and dinosaurs |
| [00:16:06] | sphery: | unfortunately, it's just a family drama |
| [00:16:46] | sphery: | yeah, watching it and enjoying it--but I feel they're spending too much time on the other stuff, such that it would be the same show if set in modern day NYC or whatever |
| [00:17:12] | Twiggy2cents: | Family drama sells. |
| [00:17:16] | sphery: | haven't started Ringer, yet, but looking forward to it |
| [00:17:29] | sphery: | I like my Buffy |
| [00:17:44] | Twiggy2cents: | lol I have never seen any buffy episodes |
| [00:17:56] | sphery: | hehe, that was really the first TV show that hooked me |
| [00:18:27] | sphery: | (and I watched it by accident--flipping channels, saw SMG, decided it was worth seeing what it's about, then loved the show) |
| [00:18:38] | Twiggy2cents: | Off topic, to anybody that uses chrome on linux. Does it have a longish load time? |
| [00:18:41] | sphery: | that was in the pre-MythTV days... back when I was using a VCR + timer |
| [00:18:52] | Twiggy2cents: | SMG? |
| [00:18:56] | Twiggy2cents: | Sub Machine Gun? |
| [00:19:02] | Twiggy2cents: | Ohh |
| [00:19:16] | sphery: | Sarah Michelle Gellar :) |
| [00:19:26] | Twiggy2cents: | Thats what I thought. |
| [00:19:50] | sphery: | Isn't she Sara Michelle Prinz, Jr, now? :) |
| [00:20:58] | Twiggy2cents: | I believe they call her by Gellar on Ringer |
| [00:21:04] | sphery: | hehe, seems she did take Freddie's name, so Sarah Michelle Prinze is a valid name for her, but seems to use the name Gellar in credits |
| [00:21:33] | Twiggy2cents: | I'm sure it's for recognition. |
| [00:21:44] | sphery: | ooh, Nestor Carbonell, too... I like him |
| [00:21:53] | sphery: | yeah, gotta keep the brand name |
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| [00:22:51] | Beirdo: | Twiggy2cents: not long that I ever noticed. |
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| [00:22:59] | Beirdo: | maybe a few seconds |
| [00:24:29] | Twiggy2cents: | Mine does. I haven't looked much into it. Spawning a new window is instantaneous but a cold start of it takes anywhere from 2–5 seconds. Nothing else is hogging power, with chrome being lightweight I figured it would start faster |
| [00:27:08] | Beirdo: | 2–5s is not "slow" really |
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| [00:32:11] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: are you asking in reference to that pull request? |
| [00:33:29] | Beirdo: | yes |
| [00:33:48] | wagnerrp: | i sent gary butters an email about it a couple days back, havent had a response yet |
| [00:33:56] | Beirdo: | OK |
| [00:34:04] | wagnerrp: | mythbuntu guys gave me another contact, a troy_s |
| [00:34:16] | wagnerrp: | im going to follow up with him if i dont hear back from butters |
| [00:34:37] | Beirdo: | aye. Well, if nobody gets back, we'll do our best efforts, but yeah, be best to give them dibs on making it the way they want |
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| [00:46:41] | wagnerrp: | uh oh... wikipedia is now making a popup appeal |
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| [01:01:48] | sphery: | wow, they're making a series out of (set after?) The Firm |
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| [01:11:19] | skd5aner: | so... can 0.24 playback blu-ray ISOs? |
| [01:11:25] | skd5aner: | or just the file structure? |
| [01:11:34] | wagnerrp: | just the file structure |
| [01:11:39] | wagnerrp: | in a BDMV folder |
| [01:11:50] | skd5aner: | cool... what's the limitation on playback of ISOs? |
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| [01:12:22] | wagnerrp: | limitation... for bluray content? |
| [01:12:35] | skd5aner: | yea, why no support for ISOs? |
| [01:12:43] | skd5aner: | (for blu-ray) |
| [01:12:53] | wagnerrp: | no one has written the code to hook into libbluray, i assume |
| [01:15:54] | skd5aner: | cool – going to try out the blu-ray stuff for the first time |
| [01:16:11] | skd5aner: | I keep all my DVD structures in ISO, was wondering if I could do the same for bluray |
| [01:16:14] | skd5aner: | no big deal |
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| [01:19:08] | skd5aner: | So, should a have a file structure like ../movies/movie title/BDMV or something like ../movies/movie title where "movie title" is the renamed BDMV folder? |
| [01:22:42] | iamlindoro: | the former |
| [01:22:54] | skd5aner: | thx |
| [01:26:28] | skd5aner: | 39.4GB for a movie... gotta love it |
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| [02:19:11] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTAyMDg |
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| [02:36:11] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: not that this should surprise you, but my first foray into playing blurary in mythtv was a success on the first try – love when it "just works" |
| [02:36:25] | skd5aner: | good job |
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| [02:44:13] | Twiggy2cents: | Would putting the mythvideo image cache on a usb flash drive or memory card improve access times when loading the cover art and fan art? |
| [02:44:40] | wagnerrp: | no, because the artwork is loaded from the theme cache in your user directory |
| [02:46:01] | Twiggy2cents: | Sorry I meant the theme cache |
| [02:47:48] | Twiggy2cents: | It's not like it loads slow, but after going through them all so that they are cached I can still easily out run how fast it can load the images. |
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| [02:52:52] | Twiggy2cents: | It looks like USB flash drives has significantly faster access times |
| [02:53:08] | Twiggy2cents: | Do you think it would make a difference? |
| [02:53:47] | wagnerrp: | maybe, but if you were going that route, you would be better off with cheap SSD, or getting a bit more RAM and pre-loading it in ram drive |
| [02:54:52] | Twiggy2cents: | how much more is a bit? I have 2gb now. |
| [02:55:03] | Twiggy2cents: | I havent looked at how much it is utilized |
| [02:55:12] | wagnerrp: | do you have shared video memory? |
| [02:55:19] | Twiggy2cents: | no |
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| [02:57:35] | Twiggy2cents: | If I were to make a ram disk for it, how would i utilize it since it would be lost on reboot. |
| [02:57:45] | wagnerrp: | you couldnt |
| [02:58:01] | wagnerrp: | you would either need to script in something to swap it to disk on shutdown, or just regenerate it each reboot |
| [03:00:29] | Twiggy2cents: | What about this? Could I copy the contents of the cache to another folder, then make a ramdisk on boot mount in place of the theme cache and copy the contents of the other folder to it, then finally hardlink it to that same folder that I moved the theme cache to? |
| [03:00:36] | Twiggy2cents: | Sorry for the horrible run on |
| [03:01:02] | wagnerrp: | hardlinks cannot cross filesystems |
| [03:04:04] | Twiggy2cents: | so replacing hardlinking, how about this. Add a small script to cp -n /ram/disk/* /some/other/folder/, and for a little added redundancy the same script to run as a cron job every 2 hours or so? |
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| [03:04:27] | wagnerrp: | you could try it |
| [03:04:34] | wagnerrp: | to be honest, i would just stick with what you have |
| [03:04:42] | wagnerrp: | unless there is some pressing need to change it |
| [03:05:00] | Twiggy2cents: | No need, just that nothing has broke for a while and I am bored. |
| [03:07:08] | Twiggy2cents: | What would be the cons of using a flash drive? Clogging up the usb bus? Eventual wear out of the flash drive? |
| [03:07:36] | wagnerrp: | low latency... but low speed |
| [03:10:00] | Twiggy2cents: | My biggest picture is 5MB. I would think that the read speed would be much higher than that |
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| [03:14:59] | Twiggy2cents: | Wow what a difference in read speed. 18 for the flash drive, 73.8 for the hdd. |
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| [03:17:18] | Beirdo^2: | Ahh, nice having irc on the bus sometimes |
| [03:17:55] | Twiggy2cents: | holy crap 680 mb for the themecache just on the tv, not the monitor resolution! |
| [03:18:06] | Twiggy2cents: | I dont think the ram disk option will work |
| [03:18:37] | Twiggy2cents: | So if want to play with this I will need a small ssd |
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| [03:19:36] | Beirdo^2: | Too many crazies on the #14 bus today |
| [03:26:41] | Beirdo^2: | Pandora plus irc. Ahh. |
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| [03:33:18] | Beirdo: | iamlindoro: cool, not too surprised :) |
| [03:33:57] | Beirdo: | Apple has basically set OpenCL as one of the barriers of entry to the GPU manufacturers, so we will likely see more OpenCL over time :) |
| [03:35:20] | Beirdo: | and now that my massive bug from last night is solved, I can move on to the next part :) |
| [03:36:10] | Beirdo: | yay... I think it will be cross-correlation to find scene changes via changes in color histogram |
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| [03:42:52] | Beirdo: | now, I know I said this recently... where the heck did I put my DSP book this time? |
| [03:45:13] | Beirdo: | ah there it is |
| [03:51:22] | iamlindoro: | Beirdo: I was more thinking you should contact them and get some funding ;) |
| [03:55:56] | Beirdo: | hehe. That might be worth a thought :) |
| [03:56:21] | Beirdo: | I hadn't considered that angle... I'll have to ponder that |
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| [04:04:19] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: Thanks, just read the scrollback |
| [04:04:26] | iamlindoro: | glad it was a success for you |
| [04:10:49] | iamlindoro: | Holy Christ, is every human being ever to write a wikipedia article, and every person employed by them, frightening to children? |
| [04:11:07] | Beirdo: | obviously |
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| [04:12:25] | iamlindoro: | The woman on the article I'm reading looks like the evil witch from Willow |
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| [06:39:24] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: you in? |
| [06:40:47] | wagnerrp: | aye |
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| [06:42:37] | Beirdo: | cool. Can you explain the proper way to use the ReferenceCounter vs ReferenceLocker classes? |
| [06:43:07] | wagnerrp: | reference counter, you subclass |
| [06:43:19] | wagnerrp: | when you create the first instance, it starts with a count of 1, no need to upref |
| [06:43:36] | wagnerrp: | use upref and downref as you copy pointers to it |
| [06:43:36] | Beirdo: | OK, and you have to manually downref? |
| [06:43:49] | wagnerrp: | when your last downref counts down to 0, it deletes itself |
| [06:43:56] | Beirdo: | OK |
| [06:44:08] | wagnerrp: | referencelocker is like any of the other context managers in Qt |
| [06:44:18] | wagnerrp: | qmutexlocker, qreadwritelocker, ... |
| [06:44:38] | wagnerrp: | create an instance at the start of a context, it uprefs |
| [06:44:49] | Beirdo: | I'm thinking of using it in my videosurface class, as I'd like to be able to keep previous frame easily |
| [06:44:52] | wagnerrp: | when you leave the context, and the locker is destroyed, it downrefs automatically |
| [06:45:03] | Beirdo: | Cool, gotcha |
| [06:45:45] | wagnerrp: | if youve used playbacksock for anything, its basically the same exact thing |
| [06:45:54] | wagnerrp: | except this starts at 1, while PBS starts at 0 |
| [06:46:55] | Beirdo: | makes perfect sense. |
| [06:47:12] | wagnerrp: | to facilitate that, the referencelocker will optionally not upref when constructing |
| [06:47:13] | Beirdo: | I just wanted to be sure I wasn't misunderstanding it and using it in an odd way :) |
| [06:50:49] | Beirdo: | blargh |
| [06:51:07] | Beirdo: | and I'll need to do it for the histograms too... which currently aren't a class |
| [06:51:15] | Beirdo: | will be soon :) |
| [06:53:12] | Beirdo: | I will have to remove the #$%@#$%ing logging though :) |
| [06:53:29] | Beirdo: | once I'm sure it's working... GOD does it spew nicely :) |
| [06:58:33] | wagnerrp: | you dont just have it at debug level? |
| [07:00:39] | Beirdo: | even at debug level, it spews on every upref, every downref |
| [07:01:04] | Beirdo: | I might just go add a VB_REFCOUNT :) |
| [07:01:25] | wagnerrp: | oh, you mean you want to keep it at debug for other stuff, but want to squelch out the refcounter |
| [07:01:30] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [07:01:31] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [07:01:43] | Beirdo: | it's useful for debugging the refcounter though |
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| [07:36:40] | Beirdo: | Woot! |
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| [07:39:15] | Beirdo: | now for each video frame, I have access to the YUV frame, the wavelet and the color histogram for the previous frame as well |
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| [07:44:00] | Beirdo: | now I have the tools available to do a first attempt at a scene change detection. |
| [07:44:20] | Beirdo: | and to do blank frame detection too |
| [07:49:47] | dekarl: | hmm, looks like some change in the mpeg descriptor parsing creates an endless loop lately http://paste.ubuntu.com/754562/ |
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| [07:58:25] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [07:58:41] | Beirdo: | well, best make a ticket for danielk to fix it |
| [07:59:00] | Beirdo: | as AFAIK, he's been the one tweaking it lately |
| [07:59:39] | Beirdo: | looks like you hit him up in IRC anyways, hopefully he catches it |
| [08:01:02] | dekarl: | Beirdo I know... If I get time I can look at implementing the missing functions, but I'll be on tour for 2 days from tomorrow... Maybe he has something in mind on how to avoid the loop |
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| [08:10:03] | Beirdo: | cool |
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| [08:50:10] | Beirdo: | ummm, this can't be right |
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| [09:47:12] | Beirdo: | and the GPU is wedged |
| [10:01:51] | Beirdo: | OK, at least now I am getting NUMBERS |
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| [11:37:44] | ahhughez: | hi guys, trying to get a ps3remote working on 11.04. Step #1 is to get uinput running. I think its actually running because I can see /dev/uinput but... accoring to the doco, `lsmod | grep uinput` should prove this... and it does not. |
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| [11:45:29] | toeb: | try "modprope uinput" |
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| [16:43:31] | yang: | Excuse me my newbie question |
| [16:43:34] | yang: | another thing I want to figure out is, am I able to have my own IPTV solution, like can I get IPTV feeds from some public service (for free) and use my internet bandwidth to do it |
| [16:43:40] | yang: | because these ISP based IPTV gets charged like 20 EUR/month additionally |
| [16:43:52] | wagnerrp: | what ISP? |
| [16:43:59] | yang: | I wonder if it would also work with my own SETTOP box solution |
| [16:44:07] | wagnerrp: | mythtv has an IPTV "tuner" specifically designed for free.fr |
| [16:44:21] | yang: | Well our ISPs have here, programing scheme through SETTOP BOXES |
| [16:44:30] | yang: | and it gets charged like 20 EUR |
| [16:44:37] | yang: | then every HDTV chan like + 4 eur |
| [16:44:40] | wagnerrp: | by your own settop box, do you mean a PC in a slim case? or do you mean an embedded system? |
| [16:44:56] | yang: | i mean SETTOP Embeded thing |
| [16:45:02] | yang: | something noiseless |
| [16:45:25] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is designed to be run on x86 hardware with significant amounts of memory |
| [16:45:41] | yang: | so maybe something outside mythtv scope ? |
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| [16:45:57] | wagnerrp: | dont expect to be able to use it on an embedded system unless you plan on heavily modifying it to strip down memory consumption, and add support for whatever hardware video decoder that embedded system offers |
| [16:47:11] | yang: | so mythtv software "captchures" video stream through the internet for free ? |
| [16:47:25] | yang: | then you need to modify the outgoing signal to see it on TV ? |
| [16:48:07] | wagnerrp: | huh? |
| [16:48:23] | wagnerrp: | as mentioned, the IPTV tuner is designed for the system used by free.fs |
| [16:48:27] | wagnerrp: | free.fr |
| [16:48:40] | yang: | i cant read much of the www.free.fr website since its french only |
| [16:48:41] | wagnerrp: | that means RTP streams, sent over multicast |
| [16:49:10] | yang: | so how many channels can you see with it ? |
| [16:49:25] | wagnerrp: | unencrypted, with all authentication being done remotely though allowance and refusal of multicast address joining |
| [16:49:45] | wagnerrp: | you can see as many as your bandwidth allows, but free.fr and other ISPs with similar systems may limit it further |
| [16:49:58] | wagnerrp: | mythtv just records that stream, unaltered, straight to disk |
| [16:50:01] | yang: | can you see discovery channels ? |
| [16:50:39] | wagnerrp: | when you go to play it, mythtv pulls the video back off the hard drive, decodes it in software, or optionally a broadcom crystal hd card or nvidia graphics card |
| [16:50:50] | wagnerrp: | and then displays it though the local video outputs on that PC |
| [16:51:41] | yang: | ah ok |
| [16:52:35] | yang: | I thought that I am able to bypass the ISP costs for monthly IPTV by obtaining and setting up my own solution |
| [16:52:59] | wagnerrp: | what ISP? |
| [16:53:08] | yang: | slovenian ISP |
| [16:53:26] | yang: | most slovenian ISPs will charge for settop box |
| [16:53:43] | wagnerrp: | havent heard any mythtv users talking about slovenian IPTV |
| [16:53:56] | yang: | and from what I have tested the settop box sucked, the signal wasnt clear |
| [16:53:56] | wagnerrp: | anyway, mythtv doesn't allow you access content without paying for the service |
| [16:54:16] | wagnerrp: | and it will only possibly allow you to get away without an STB rental if they are using a compatible system |
| [16:54:28] | yang: | ok |
| [16:54:33] | wagnerrp: | i.e. RTP streams on multicast addresses, with no encryption of any sort |
| [16:55:05] | wagnerrp: | if they do something different, if they use encryption, mythtv will have to record analog off an STB |
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| [16:55:48] | yang: | what they gave us was settop boy, which you hooked into the modem |
| [16:55:59] | yang: | settop box |
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| [17:03:47] | iamlindoro: | yang: The point is, there's no such thing as IPTV "over the internet," meaning you can't bypass your ISP-- MythTV will, at most, allow you to record the channels provided by your ISP on their private network... if your ISP is an IPTV provider, and they provide RTP streams, and those streams are unencrypted, you can use MythTV-- but you won't be able to "get channels from the internet" |
| [17:07:46] | yang: | ah ok |
| [17:07:56] | yang: | thanks for explanation |
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| [17:26:16] | Yanch0: | wagnerrp, i found what was the problem yesterday. the card i have is an analogue .. V.2TV mine is .. same exact backend but different frontend |
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| [17:56:01] | bixter: | Is it possible to have video folders not show up unless a pin is used? |
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| [18:00:37] | sphery: | wagnerrp: thanks for the "problem with his problem" post--too many people worried about things that aren't really a problem |
| [18:00:52] | wagnerrp: | 'course i got yelled at over it |
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| [18:06:48] | iamlindoro: | bixter: no |
| [18:06:55] | iamlindoro: | well, yes |
| [18:07:22] | iamlindoro: | parental controls exist in mythvideo, you set parental levels on each video, 1–5, and each level can have a pin |
| [18:07:41] | bixter: | so you can see the names of the video but need a pin to play them? |
| [18:07:44] | iamlindoro: | I can't recall whether it suppresses the folders |
| [18:07:47] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [18:08:33] | iamlindoro: | the item itself does not appear if at a higher parental level |
| [18:09:21] | bixter: | ok, so i enter a parental control pin for level 3 and I can then see vidoes from 3 and down but not 4–5? |
| [18:09:33] | iamlindoro: | correct |
| [18:10:12] | Dj_FlyBy[ms]: | iamlindoro: thank you; that actually answers a question I had too, :) |
| [18:10:17] | bixter: | awesome :) I havent used mythtv for some time. |
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| [18:11:03] | bixter: | I am moving from sage and am so happy to see how far it has came. vdpau is awesome |
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| [18:11:46] | bixter: | got a bunch of devices network booting and playing hd video and audio over hdmi like a charm. That used to take me a week to just get one to work! |
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| [20:31:22] | Shadow__X: | hey guys i am running the latest version of mythfrontned for OS X that was posted on SF and am having an issue with optical audio. When i have dolby digital selected it does not seem to be switching to the correct audio track |
| [20:32:29] | Shadow__X: | and at that point i only hear some of the channels come through but ac3 5.1 is not being sent to my receiver only 2 channels are. I can play the source file in vlc and select the appropriate audio track no problem so i know the track is there |
| [20:32:46] | Shadow__X: | the beginning of the recording is 2 channel so could that be causing the issue? |
| [20:44:08] | justinh: | well, no going back now. ordered an archos 70. new toys! |
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| [20:54:00] | Shadow__X: | justinh: do they have a honeycomb rom for it? |
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| [21:20:31] | Shadow__X: | it changes the format to 96000 hz instead of 48000hz also it needs to change 2ch 24bit float to encoded digital audio |
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| [21:24:43] | joemyth: | Hi all.. could someone maybe help out with getting mythweb to work? I would greatly appreciate it.. |
| [21:29:01] | joemyth: | I setup a virtualhost in apache (ubuntu) and when I access it, I see this in the error_log: PHP Warning: file_get_contents(/_shared/lang/English.lang): failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/classes/Translate.php on line 168 |
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| [21:39:47] | sphery: | joemyth: that just means that something is misconfigured in your mythweb, and when mythweb went to get the error message, the file in which it's supposed to exist wasn't where it thought it was |
| [21:40:26] | sphery: | joemyth: I'd guess you need to fix up your rewrite rules and/or Directory and/or Location stuff |
| [21:41:02] | sphery: | (this stuff being in your mythweb.conf for apache) |
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| [21:45:33] | Shadow__X: | sphery: any ideas on whats going on with the audio tracks? |
| [21:46:02] | sphery: | no idea |
| [21:46:22] | joemyth: | rewrite rules? like in htaccess? htaccess is linked to a nonexistnent file, though |
| [21:46:31] | sphery: | no, in mythweb.conf |
| [21:46:35] | sphery: | the apache config file |
| [21:46:52] | Shadow__X: | i would think its an issue with how mythtv picks the audio format on os x but i am just guessing based on what it did in midi |
| [21:47:26] | sphery: | Shadow__X: not only have I never used the Mac OS X build (not to mention haven't ever actually /used/ Mac OS X for anything), but I don't know much about the audio stuff, either--I still do the simplest (analog stereo audio) |
| [21:47:49] | Shadow__X: | ah ok i gotcha thanks anyway |
| [21:48:20] | sphery: | sorry, wish I could help |
| [21:49:40] | Shadow__X: | its cool. Any idea on who i should ask |
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| [21:54:31] | justinh: | Shadow__X: honeycomb? |
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| [21:54:51] | justinh: | who cares :-) |
| [21:56:23] | Shadow__X: | justinh: well its an android tablet right? i saw its running android 2.2 which was designed for phones and honeycomb was the first android version to be designed for tablets and gives you a better tablet experience compared to earlier ones |
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| [22:18:55] | joemyth: | sphery: any other ideas of what i should be looking at? I think the folders are right in mythweb.conf |
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| [22:20:33] | sphery: | best I can do is refer you to the mythweb READMe |
| [22:20:36] | sphery: | it knows far more than me |
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| [22:21:01] | sphery: | I got my mythweb configuration working years ago, and don't remember how/why it works |
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| [22:21:45] | Shadow__X: | its magic |
| [22:22:04] | joemyth: | sphery: I'd love to take a look at it.. maybe the output of " grep -v \# /etc/httpd/conf.d/mythweb.conf "? |
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| [22:23:37] | joemyth: | btw android 2.X is so lacking on a tablet.. i use 2.3 on kindle-fire and its so not-optimized for a larger screen |
| [22:23:43] | sphery: | you'd be better served looking at the mythweb.conf provided by packages for your distro (or even other distros if you want comparisons) |
| [22:24:13] | sphery: | mine is a bit of a mess that's reliant upon other configurations for my apache |
| [22:24:14] | joemyth: | okay, thanks sphery |
| [22:26:12] | sphery: | not to mention there's a good possibility that there are misconfigurations in mine that could result in security issues |
| [22:27:11] | joemyth: | as long as you use https and digest, its all good no? |
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| [22:36:44] | justinh: | well I'm gonna give this tablet a go, and if it's as crap as the joggler was I'll send it back |
| [22:37:01] | justinh: | I seriously doubt anything could be awful as that |
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| [22:38:12] | justinh: | I'm not really looking to be a total tablet fiend anyway – but one or 2 of these things could solve the problem I have that networked audio devices are still either A) too lame or B) too damn expensive |
| [22:39:45] | ** iamlindoro bets tablets will be a lot more interesting when justinh wakes up tomorrow ** | |
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| [22:40:51] | justinh: | I wouldn't be surprised |
| [22:41:01] | joemyth: | i love subsonic on my tablet |
| [22:41:10] | ** wagnerrp bets they wont be tablets that justinh owns ** | |
| [22:41:21] | ** iamlindoro bets wagnerrp is right ** | |
| [22:41:33] | iamlindoro: | but the theory will still be the same |
| [22:41:43] | justinh: | android is crap. lacking a standard hardware spec is stupid IMHO |
| [22:42:04] | justinh: | they coulda had dock connectors on phones but don't (though apple prolly patented that) |
| [22:42:41] | justinh: | well ok not *crap* as such.. just not *great* |
| [22:43:20] | justinh: | iamlindoro: big app release day tomorrow? ;-) |
| [22:43:44] | justinh: | it's almost tempting to try & do something dev-wise with android but ugh.. java |
| [22:43:46] | iamlindoro: | Nah |
| [22:43:57] | iamlindoro: | still a long way from release-- I'm thinking to submit to app store mid-Jan |
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| [22:46:04] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: does your IOS app support streaming of the actual video? |
| [22:46:13] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: Ask me tomorrow |
| [22:46:33] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [22:46:34] | devinheitmueller: | If so, I was wondering if you are transcoding everything up front, or using something like HTTP live. |
| [22:46:39] | iamlindoro: | The latter |
| [22:46:43] | devinheitmueller: | Ah, ok. |
| [22:46:56] | devinheitmueller: | (I'm working on a comparable project so was just curious what approach you took) |
| [22:47:01] | iamlindoro: | Note that that's with no config, all done by myth itself |
| [22:47:08] | devinheitmueller: | Right. |
| [22:47:17] | justinh: | and FWIW, NO I won't be installing any droidy mythtv remotes |
| [22:47:37] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: Work or personal project? |
| [22:47:46] | sphery: | joemyth: hehe, yeah, I'm sure all you need is https and digest. I mean, the Internet is such a friendly place, without any miscreants who crack into computer systems and claim it's because they're "making a difference" |
| [22:47:53] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: Work. |
| [22:48:00] | iamlindoro: | cool |
| [22:48:45] | justinh: | I don't even use https. it's not like half the planet can get into my home IP address |
| [22:49:56] | justinh: | that's really been boiling my wee lately. most parts of the world, like most ISPs can reach my home router – but not from where I want to use it |
| [22:50:14] | sphery: | you know, doing things like stealing money using credit card fraud and donating that money to charities and saying, "The credit card owner won't be hurt because the banks are forced to reimburse fraudulent charges," all the while forgetting about how much of an inconvenience it will be to the CC owner, not to mention the fact that when the CC company does a chargeback to the charity, it may mean the charity ends up losing money because ... |
| [22:50:20] | sphery: | ... they had spent money they wrongly /thought/ they had |
| [22:51:05] | justinh: | anonymous are mostly idiots for stunts like that |
| [22:51:08] | sphery: | yep |
| [22:51:09] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: Anyhow, the myth API for doing the streaming will be pretty slick, and will support the vast majority of modern mobile devices, browsers, etc. |
| [22:51:25] | joemyth: | okay you convinced me – i wont open mythweb externally ! |
| [22:51:33] | justinh: | iamlindoro: and maybe even lowly raspberry pi frontends :-P |
| [22:51:36] | sphery: | I probably shouldn't be calling them idiots in public places, but I can't believe how clueless they are about who they're really hurting |
| [22:51:39] | iamlindoro: | Hsssssss |
| [22:52:01] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: anything that results in a cleaner myth protocol is sorely appreciated. |
| [22:52:08] | sphery: | joemyth: hehe, it's not bad to do it, as long as you're willing to live with the risks.. |
| [22:52:23] | ** justinh has port 80 open. go on. try it ** | |
| [22:52:24] | devinheitmueller: | (in particular if it doesn't rely on the mysql client bindings being present) |
| [22:52:29] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: It's via the new Services API and plain ol' HTTP serving done by the BE |
| [22:52:30] | sphery: | I know one day I'll say something about Anonymous, then will wake up to find all my recordings gone |
| [22:52:46] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: nice. |
| [22:52:48] | joemyth: | i just put up a honeypot on my computer a few weeks ago and its already been hit like three times |
| [22:52:58] | justinh: | wow. as many as that? LOL |
| [22:53:02] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: Nope, no bindings, no setup of any kind-- all you need is an IP and/or resolvable name for the BE |
| [22:53:03] | sphery: | but losing 1785 recordings of 2 months-back-to-back recordings might just be worth it to voice my discontent with the discontented |
| [22:53:27] | sphery: | (i.e. would take 2 months to play back all my recorded content if there were no breaks during playback) |
| [22:53:27] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: Or if you're on the local network, you can do what my app does and autoconfig via uPnP-- so no config, period. |
| [22:53:38] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: are you doing transcode at the time the content is requested? Or is it a background operation done after recordings complete? |
| [22:53:52] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: The former |
| [22:54:01] | devinheitmueller: | Hmmm... |
| [22:54:13] | iamlindoro: | With the later being an available option if the user wants to do so |
| [22:54:16] | iamlindoro: | er latter |
| [22:54:18] | devinheitmueller: | Interesting. I wonder how you do seeking then if you're transcoding on the fly? |
| [22:54:18] | joemyth: | sphery: sounds like you have your xmas break all planned out |
| [22:54:34] | sphery: | devinheitmueller: and the latter being easier after we convert to the recordedfile schema, sometime after 0.25 |
| [22:54:52] | sphery: | (i.e. we'll allow you to keep multiple files related to a single recording/"video") |
| [22:55:07] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: API allows the user to query all the available live streams, start a stream, stop a stream, and remove a stream-- so if you want to keep the seekable stream, you just stop it and don't remove it |
| [22:55:18] | sphery: | joemyth: hehe, unfortunately, the visitors probably will insist we do something besides just watch my shows :) |
| [22:55:24] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: While transcoding, you can always seek up until the current transcode point |
| [22:55:37] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: Since as each ~10s segment is completed, it's added to the playlist |
| [22:55:57] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: Yeah, that makes it a bit hard though to jump to 75% into the file because you watched the first 3/4 already. |
| [22:56:23] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: There's been some discussion about allowing starting from a bookmark/etc…. and cutlist/commskip will be possible too |
| [22:56:29] | devinheitmueller: | gotcha. |
| [22:56:39] | devinheitmueller: | Don't get me wrong. I'm not knocking your approach. It's a tough problem to solve. |
| [22:57:27] | justinh: | who thinks I'd have 'admin' as a username? noob |
| [22:57:43] | devinheitmueller: | justinh: 'admin' is a common default username for many routers. |
| [22:57:52] | joemyth: | justinh: I dunno thats about the full extent of my hacking prowess |
| [22:58:16] | devinheitmueller: | They're probably testing for well-known default username/password combinations shipped in various products. |
| [22:58:24] | sphery: | justinh: your password is ... 1, 2, 3, 4, 5? |
| [22:58:32] | joemyth: | admin/admin and hello/world |
| [22:58:38] | justinh: | hahaha like I'd ever leave my router's config open to the WWW |
| [22:58:39] | sphery: | no scott/tiger? |
| [22:58:58] | joemyth: | i dont use oracle anymore |
| [22:59:10] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: I don't want to claim responsibility, I'm just a spectator on the work-- the genius isn't mine… I may have misrepresented some part of what's coming, I'm only relating as best I understand it |
| [22:59:13] | sphery: | wait, you use MythTV, and MythTV uses MySQL, so you use Oracle :) |
| [22:59:26] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: fair enough. |
| [22:59:41] | joemyth: | actually i'm on sagetv, just trying to migrate over |
| [22:59:57] | justinh: | sagetv – that what google bought & crushed? |
| [23:00:09] | justinh: | I've only just stopped guffawing about Ubuntu TV |
| [23:00:10] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: is the new API documented anywhere? |
| [23:00:17] | joemyth: | *sniff* yes |
| [23:00:21] | justinh: | devinheitmueller: in the wiki, of course |
| [23:00:30] | devinheitmueller: | justinh: ok |
| [23:00:33] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: API is documented, the transcode bits aren't, but I'll make sure they will be within a few days of commit |
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| [23:01:16] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: a well-defined protocol with minimal third party software dependencies opens up the opportunity to provide Myth frontend services on all sorts of platforms. :-) |
| [23:01:17] | Shadow__X: | anyone use mythtv frontend on OS X Lion with optical out? |
| [23:01:57] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: exactly, ergo http://vimeo.com/32063038 |
| [23:01:58] | sphery: | joemyth: but on the bright side, since Google crushed SageTV, you get to use MythTV! |
| [23:02:29] | iamlindoro: | devinheitmueller: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Services_API |
| [23:02:44] | joemyth: | sphery: very glass half full of you |
| [23:03:09] | devinheitmueller: | hmmm.... |
| [23:04:04] | sphery: | joemyth: http://www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/mugs/eabe/ |
| [23:04:06] | joemyth: | I actually would have gone with mythtv years ago if it hadnt been for those sagetv extenders |
| [23:04:30] | sphery: | yeah, they were very reasonably priced and easy |
| [23:05:20] | sphery: | but now you can get Google TV 2.0--complete with the App Store, er, applications store (because Apple may own "App Store"--and play games designed for a 3.5" touchscreen interface on your 40" non-touch TV screen |
| [23:06:11] | joemyth: | it's always been a dream of mine to play warped angry birds on a widescreen TV |
| [23:06:17] | sphery: | of course, you can't access online content from any of the major networks since they're all blocking it so Google doesn't take over the TV advertising market and their only source of income |
| [23:06:35] | Shadow__X: | iamlindoro: by any chance do you work with mythfrontned audio on OS X>? |
| [23:07:03] | iamlindoro: | not me |
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| [23:07:51] | Shadow__X: | I am not sure why but mythfrontned isnt selecting the right audio track to send over optical and am wondering who i should talk to to figure it out |
| [23:07:53] | joemyth: | i am considering buying a fancy projector so I can have a 60" display for: https://market.android.com/details?id=com.bfs . . . ss&hl=en |
| [23:08:50] | joemyth: | anyone have any good recommendations for theater style seating? something roomy so friends can have room for their popcorn as they watch me play |
| [23:08:56] | sphery: | hehe, but those touch-screen projectors are really hard to use--you need a couple mirrors to see the part of the image being projected onto your back |
| [23:08:58] | blscearce: | Rookie question: on Monday, wagnerrp recommended that instead of burning DVDs to take video content to a friend's house, I should use a "upnp media player" and put the data on a USB drive. Do those Roku boxes qualify as a "upnp media player" or should I be working for something else? |
| [23:09:38] | joemyth: | google tv.. please |
| [23:10:52] | sphery: | blscearce: http://support.roku.com/entries/423946-what-m . . . nnel-support |
| [23:11:20] | justinh: | bleh no android 3.x for this tablet. arghh. read more reviews too. what have I done?! |
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| [23:11:37] | sphery: | unfortunately, most of MythTV's recordings for US users will be MPEG-2 in MPEG-PS or MPEG-TS containers (not on that list) |
| [23:11:47] | Shadow__X: | justinh: you wanted something shiny |
| [23:12:12] | blscearce: | sphery: I can transcode to H.264 on the Myth box, though, right? |
| [23:12:15] | justinh: | I have more than enough money in the bank for an ipad. but ipad when there's a toddler in the house? LOL |
| [23:12:45] | sphery: | blscearce: you could, but it's a lot of computation (and electricity) |
| [23:12:59] | Shadow__X: | justinh: well you could get something like the otterbox |
| [23:13:10] | joemyth: | justinh: with a toddler, for sure you need to enable https |
| [23:13:15] | justinh: | no otterbox is toddler-proof |
| [23:13:20] | justinh: | joemyth: no I don't |
| [23:13:29] | blscearce: | sphery: okay, thanks — what would you recommend, then? I just want some kind of playback device that can take Myth formats and has an IR input and HDMI output |
| [23:13:51] | justinh: | I think I'll have to wait a few years yet before he's packet sniffing. jesus |
| [23:14:29] | Shadow__X: | justinh: really http://www.otterbox.com/ipad-2-cases/ipad-2-c . . . ault,sc.html ? there are other cases too. With an ipad you can eventually use the new features that will be available in mythtv in the future |
| [23:14:45] | sphery: | blscearce: not sure... When I go places (generally business trips), I just take my laptop with recordings on the HDD. Granted, since it's just me, I don't even connect it to the hotel's TV. So, I don't really have any experience with such a setup |
| [23:15:08] | joemyth: | kids today are sniffing packets by the time theyre 4 |
| [23:15:11] | joemyth: | or was that glue |
| [23:15:33] | justinh: | anyway, I'm worried that if I buy an iPad a little part of me will die |
| [23:16:18] | justinh: | I'm not sure many hotels would take kindly to you plugging your own gear into their TV |
| [23:16:20] | blscearce: | sphery: thanks. I have dinner with friends every week, and it might be nice to take a movie/show/whatever with me to play on their nice TV. |
| [23:16:22] | sphery: | justinh: hehe, yeah, I think a part of me died when my sister, her husband, and her son all got iPads |
| [23:16:25] | Shadow__X: | justinh: if you dont want an ipad look at the galaxy ipad i mean the galaxy tab. Look at both of them |
| [23:16:50] | justinh: | Shadow__X: no, if I was going to spend *that* much money on a tablet I would definitely get an ipad |
| [23:16:58] | justinh: | no point spending as much or more on a wannabe |
| [23:17:04] | justinh: | that's just stupid |
| [23:17:05] | sphery: | agreed |
| [23:17:13] | joemyth: | lame as apple is, airvideo works AMAZING on an ipad. with a sandy bridge CPU, it transcodes anything ive ever tried effortlessly |
| [23:17:33] | sphery: | which is why it's stupid that Android tablet vendors think they can get away with charging as much (or more) than Apple for their 2nd-rate wannabes |
| [23:17:35] | blscearce: | I basically want a Myth front-end that will be used mostly while disconnected from the backend... and looking at little computers, they tend to cost more than AppleTV/Roku. |
| [23:17:43] | sphery: | At least Amazon got the pricing right |
| [23:17:45] | justinh: | I had enough of being the kid who had crap computers nobody else had |
| [23:17:48] | joemyth: | sphery: exactly |
| [23:18:01] | justinh: | I mean, I got a frickin Ti99/4a one birthday |
| [23:18:15] | blscearce: | Ti99 was awesome |
| [23:18:18] | sphery: | even if they have a fork of Android that uses an Amazon-specific app store, in which either they or Google refuse to allow things like the GMail app for Android |
| [23:18:23] | justinh: | the next one after that was a bloody Tandy Coco2 |
| [23:18:39] | blscearce: | justinh: ah, *there* you have grounds to complain :) |
| [23:18:47] | justinh: | ti99 was junk too |
| [23:18:56] | justinh: | so it was 16-bit. big wow |
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| [23:19:11] | justinh: | when there was literally NO software available for it over here. lol |
| [23:19:18] | blscearce: | I just gave away my from-high-school TRS-80 Model I to a local enthusiasts group |
| [23:19:50] | dekarl: | blscearce: you mean something like that? http://www.popcornhour.com/ doesn't do much but play files on a tv |
| [23:20:03] | blscearce: | You should have heard these old farts: "Sure, I have a PC now, but when I *really* want to get work done, I fire up Electric Pencil" |
| [23:20:36] | justinh: | pffft |
| [23:21:46] | justinh: | when I see mention of that Altair thing my mind boggles as to WHY anybody would ever have wanted one. Wooo switches, dials & lights! |
| [23:22:31] | justinh: | anyway I digress.... I paid bottom wad for my phone, and it's not bad.. but it ain't no iphone – though at least I never have to go near itunes |
| [23:22:38] | blscearce: | dekarl: Thanks, noted, I'll look into it. The quick description makes it sound like it depends on a network, I want a free-standing player. copy content from myth backend to USB drive, plug drive into player and player into TV |
| [23:22:52] | justinh: | and I paid bottom dollar for this tablet thing, so if it's a little bit crap I'll live with it |
| [23:23:37] | justinh: | & if Tom breaks it, heh it was only a hundred quid & I wouldn't have to claim on the house insurance – with an iPad.. it'd be 50/50 whether it'd be worth it or not |
| [23:24:54] | dekarl: | blscearce: it can make use of the network but has a harddisk (or one can be added easily I dont remember) |
| [23:25:00] | justinh: | based on my theory that this tablet is cheaper than the majority of awful transistor radio-styled radio streamers.. it's not that likely to disappoint once I've got squeezeplayer running on it |
| [23:25:18] | justinh: | or an MPD client.. if I can find one that doesn't look like the inside of an ass |
| [23:26:12] | justinh: | and all for way less than the crummy squeezebox hardware itself. as for sonos.. LOL. Dream on |
| [23:28:34] | blscearce: | dekarl: thanks again |
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| [23:47:13] | joemyth: | mythweb is a harsh mistress |
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| [23:55:09] | sphery: | on the bright side, if I get what I want, it will be dead within a version or 2 |
| [23:55:23] | sphery: | (and a couple other devs seem to agree with the approach) |
| [23:55:44] | sphery: | the approach being to use the backend web server to provide all the functionality now provided by mythweb |
| [23:58:14] | Shadow__X: | i love it when this happens. jyavenard fixed the audio issue and they already did an updated build for OS X on sourceforge so problem solved and everything is wroking |
| [23:59:01] | sphery: | nice |
| [23:59:35] | Shadow__X: | the best thing is the updated package was posted on sourceforge after i had checked |
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