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Sunday, November 27th, 2011, 00:02 UTC
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[02:35:57] wagnerrp: [R]: no kidding
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[02:43:34] wizbit: the joggler is now up and running slackware & mythtv using compressed btrfs
[02:43:52] wizbit: Linux tv-2 3.1.2-mythtv.joggler #2 SMP Sat Nov 26 22:59:10 GMT 2011 i686 Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU Z520 @ 1.33GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
[02:44:06] wizbit: Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[02:44:07] wizbit: /dev/sda3 3.7G 1.4G 1.7G 45% /
[02:44:28] wizbit: all mythtv plugins installed :D
[02:44:54] Bhaal: joggler?
[02:45:08] wagnerrp: an Atom tablet with no battery and no heatsink
[02:45:11] wizbit: http://www.jogglerwiki.com/
[02:45:26] wagnerrp: single core, crappy intel graphics
[02:45:43] wizbit: wagnerrp: with kernel 3.x it runs cooler and i have changed the thermal trip
[02:45:59] Bhaal: Ahhh
[02:46:00] Bhaal: nice
[02:46:42] wizbit: this is the first ever slackware build on it, i will put this online
[02:47:41] [R]: super terrific
[02:47:53] [R]: nothing wagnerrp loves more than crappy underpowered devices
[02:47:59] wizbit: the thermel trip is set at 85, its been on for 30mins
[02:48:01] wizbit: temp1: +55.0 C (crit = +100.0 C)
[02:48:12] Bhaal: whats ambient though
[02:48:13] Bhaal: ?
[02:48:42] wagnerrp: [R]: as a simple display, hard mounted to a wall, i think it would be a great device
[02:48:52] wagnerrp: im more disturbed by the hunk of plastic they call a heatsink
[02:49:06] Bhaal: Indeed, perfect for a kitchen or such
[02:49:12] wizbit: heat isnt a issue when it runs mythtv, maybe it might have problems with other stuff
[02:49:22] wagnerrp: well... until you try to play anything
[02:49:31] wizbit: live tv has been on for ages
[02:49:31] [R]: wait, atom with intel graphics
[02:49:33] [R]: how do you play video?
[02:49:44] wagnerrp: with lots of dropped frames
[02:49:45] wizbit: using emgd intel driver 1.8
[02:50:02] wizbit: its all SD
[02:50:20] [R]: sd makes me a sad panda
[02:50:38] wizbit: you really do not need HD on a device this small
[02:50:41] Bhaal: [R]: On a device with a screen that small, HD is not such a probvle,m
[02:50:43] Bhaal: problem
[02:50:44] Bhaal: bah
[02:50:46] wizbit: SD looks HD on it
[02:50:55] [R]: i have no sd content though...
[02:50:57] wagnerrp: wizbit: sure you do, because you have no control over what you record digitally
[02:51:12] [R]: and sd cannot look like hd
[02:51:13] wizbit: wagnerrp: isnt that what transcode is for :P
[02:51:30] [R]: i can tell the differnece bewteen a crappy youtube video, and hd on my 4" phone
[02:52:07] wizbit: maybe the emgd driver might be able to play hd
[02:52:09] wizbit: im not sure
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[02:52:42] wizbit: this is the most advanced alarm clock anything can have
[02:52:47] wizbit: wake up to live tv every morning
[02:52:53] wizbit: *anyone
[02:53:16] wizbit: turn lights on and off using touch screen via x10
[02:53:41] wizbit: send WOL magic packets to turn boxes on via touch screen
[02:54:13] wizbit: view MythZoneminder for security
[02:54:27] wizbit: read News
[02:54:52] wizbit: even schedule some recordings on it :D
[02:55:14] [R]: my phone can do all that...
[02:55:31] wizbit: good point..
[02:56:09] wagnerrp: you know... these people deserve to be attacked by small creatures a tiny fraction of their body mass... http://gawker.com/5862530/
[02:56:33] [R]: lol
[02:57:05] wagnerrp: you have these things called legs, they can kick and punt a 15lb turkey to the other side of your yard
[02:57:40] wagnerrp: you have these things called hands, that can wrap around their necks, allowing you to swing them about like a club to fend off other turkeys
[02:58:18] wagnerrp: seriously, these people are a lost cause
[02:58:44] [R]: we had a wild turkey once when i was a kid
[02:58:47] [R]: had to call animal control on it
[02:59:07] wagnerrp: theyre only a hazard if you have reservations about killing it
[03:06:30] Bhaal: Over here we have scrub turkeys... My parents have them wonder around all the time and they don't even live in bushland ...
[03:06:51] Bhaal: But they don't often go on the attack
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[03:07:40] wagnerrp: my point is, there is absolutely zero reason to be scared of them
[03:07:46] wagnerrp: as they cannot harm you if you dont want them to
[03:08:05] wagnerrp: so why are people being chased around by them screaming for their lives
[03:08:37] [R]: lol
[03:08:46] [R]: can't they peck you to death?
[03:08:57] wagnerrp: sure, if you just stand there and take it
[03:09:50] [R]: lol
[03:09:57] Bhaal: I imagine a few swift kicks would work for them just the same as it does for roosters...
[03:10:41] Bhaal: My sister used to have a few guard roosters... Till they got to close to me..
[03:11:19] Bhaal: They left everyone alone after a few un-intentional flights...
[03:15:56] ** Beirdo feels dirty **
[03:16:10] Beirdo: just installed Ubuntu on my only AMD box.
[03:16:25] Beirdo: CPU *and* video
[03:16:30] [R]: Beirdo: do you have to go in the shower and scrub the filth off?
[03:16:34] Beirdo: now to find the drivers
[03:16:48] Bhaal: Beirdo: dirty coz its amd or coz its ubuntu?
[03:16:48] Beirdo: I want to test the OpenCL stuff on AMD crap too
[03:16:55] [R]: i did that when i had to install windows
[03:16:58] Beirdo: because it's AMD :)
[03:17:09] Beirdo: the processors are fine.. the video... not so much
[03:17:10] Bhaal: Thats alright then...
[03:17:34] Beirdo: but it's the video that I bought this for :)
[03:17:45] ** Bhaal has a motherboard with an AMD chip on it, I was given in... **
[03:18:02] Bhaal: I think I might just hang it on the wall as art...
[03:20:09] Beirdo: hehe
[03:20:35] Beirdo: I bought an AMD-350 mobo/CPU combo
[03:20:54] Beirdo: non-upgradable, but, thankfully, cheap
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[03:25:36] MylesMan: hi all
[03:25:39] MylesMan: i recently moved and thus switched isp's and router's and now nothing appears to be connecting w/in myth but i do have desktop web access
[03:25:48] MylesMan: any ideas?
[03:25:53] wagnerrp: are your machine IPs the same?
[03:25:53] [R]: w/in?
[03:26:03] wagnerrp: within\
[03:26:12] wagnerrp: those two saved characters make all the difference
[03:26:28] [R]: haha
[03:26:51] MylesMan: holdon
[03:27:05] [R]: thats why you dont use crappy isp routers
[03:27:15] wagnerrp: holden is australian, your isp says canada
[03:27:30] MylesMan: lol
[03:27:59] MylesMan: its still reporting 192.168.1.x
[03:28:06] MylesMan: ips in myth
[03:28:17] wagnerrp: yes, but are they exactly the same as before?
[03:28:22] MylesMan: it should be 192.168.2.x
[03:28:37] MylesMan: my belkin issues 2.x
[03:28:44] MylesMan: not 1
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[03:28:45] wagnerrp: mythtv connects to itself using IP address, not hostname
[03:28:50] MylesMan: amd now
[03:28:59] MylesMan: ik
[03:29:07] MylesMan: and no*
[03:29:09] wagnerrp: so your backend address defined in mythtv-setup must be accurate
[03:29:20] MylesMan: it isnt
[03:29:30] wagnerrp: it must be, or else it wont work
[03:29:54] MylesMan: i can guarantee its diff
[03:30:06] MylesMan: so i'll change it
[03:30:10] MylesMan: and see
[03:30:19] wagnerrp: i know you said they are different
[03:30:26] wagnerrp: which explains why mythtv isnt not working
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[03:32:30] MylesMan: how do i set a static ip in linux
[03:32:43] MylesMan: or does it matter
[03:32:46] wagnerrp: thats a distro question
[03:32:50] wagnerrp: they all do it differently
[03:32:52] MylesMan: ubuntu
[03:33:03] MylesMan: custom stripped install
[03:33:33] [R]: MylesMan: "thats a distro question" is code for... "that has nothing to do with mythtv"
[03:33:34] wagnerrp: meaning that would be a question for #ubuntu
[03:33:48] wagnerrp: of course theyll probably just point you at their copious documentation on doing such things
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[03:39:11] MylesMan: i changed it to the right 1 (2.x) and mythfrontend still thru errors
[03:39:22] [R]: ERROR!?
[03:39:26] [R]: oh no, that not
[03:39:59] wagnerrp: can you pastebin the error?
[03:40:09] MylesMan: i also cant access my saved recordings which i assume is to be expected
[03:40:31] [R]: how are you trying to access your recordings if the frontend is giving you errors?
[03:41:03] MylesMan: the could not find backend error
[03:41:11] MylesMan: is the one i get
[03:41:25] wagnerrp: the logs, i want to see them
[03:41:52] Beirdo: they roll down hills... and over the neighbor's dog
[03:42:05] [R]: haha
[03:42:11] MylesMan: ok where are they its been a while (the default location)
[03:42:36] wagnerrp: if you run mythfrontend from the terminal, the logs are in the terminal
[03:42:50] MylesMan: ah
[03:42:54] wagnerrp: unless mythbuntu redirects them, in which case they will likely be in /var/log/mythtv/
[03:43:04] MylesMan: k one sec
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[03:44:10] MylesMan: which one mytbackend.log?
[03:44:30] wagnerrp: both would work
[03:45:01] MylesMan: all i see in /var/log is the BE
[03:45:18] wagnerrp: then show me those
[03:45:28] MylesMan: k
[03:45:38] MylesMan: all 5
[03:45:46] wagnerrp: just the latest
[03:45:51] wagnerrp: all five?
[03:46:13] wagnerrp: there should only be the one unless you have some log rotation going on
[03:49:10] ** Beirdo slaps ubuntu **
[03:49:35] Beirdo: I tell it to remove the fglrx drivers that it installed... it says now that X isn't needed
[03:49:39] Beirdo: ummm, bite me
[03:49:53] Beirdo: installing the latest from AMD
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[03:51:31] MylesMan: whats the pastebin addy for here?
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[03:51:55] wagnerrp: whatever you want, we dont have one
[03:51:59] MylesMan: ah
[03:52:17] Beirdo: [ 3709.928140] [fglrx] module loaded – fglrx 8.91.4 [Oct 25 2011] with 1 minors
[03:52:22] Beirdo: OK, that looks better
[03:53:08] MylesMan: i'm pasting everything for november only
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[03:53:28] wagnerrp: this hasnt worked since you moved correct?
[03:53:30] [R]: wagnerrp: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10138 do you know what the deal with this one is?
[03:53:40] Beirdo: WTF?
[03:53:49] Beirdo: (machine will reboot automatically after installation, please save your doc before installing SDK)
[03:53:54] Beirdo: GO, AMD!
[03:54:09] Beirdo: this is Linux, you have no place rebooting my box
[03:54:19] MylesMan: wagner yes xorrect
[03:54:21] wagnerrp: [R]: probably just a busy capt'm
[03:54:27] MylesMan: correct*
[03:54:36] wagnerrp: MylesMan: so youve been running this thing for months without it working?
[03:54:49] MylesMan: no
[03:54:54] wagnerrp: and rather than disable it, youve continued to let it do nothing in the background and collect logs?
[03:55:02] wagnerrp: youre pasting everything for november
[03:55:16] Beirdo: aaahhhh, it didn't autoreboot
[03:55:17] wagnerrp: i only care about what happened after you changed your IP in mythtv-setup, and restarted the backend
[03:55:18] Beirdo: whew
[03:55:19] MylesMan: its one biiiiig file
[03:55:38] MylesMan: wagner its one long file
[03:55:57] wagnerrp: like i said, i only care about what has happened since you changed the IP and restarted the backend
[03:56:01] [R]: that's what she said
[03:56:03] Bhaal: wagnerrp: I think your safe, I doubt pastebin would take that amount of text :)
[03:56:10] MylesMan: w/stuff from when it was working
[03:56:27] wagnerrp: i dont care about what it looked like when it was previously working
[03:56:39] wagnerrp: just the logs from your current state
[03:56:42] MylesMan: so i grabbed the most recent entries
[03:56:58] MylesMan: which is the current state
[03:57:07] MylesMan: you'll see
[03:57:28] Bhaal: This should be interesting :)
[03:57:30] wagnerrp: hopefully not everything since the beginning of november
[03:58:21] [R]: you mean movember?
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[03:58:47] Beirdo: screw that noise
[03:59:25] Beirdo: I have never shaved off my moustache, and I'm not going to start now just for some lame fundraiser
[03:59:47] wagnerrp: shave for a fundraiser?
[03:59:58] Beirdo: yeah, the movember crap
[04:00:01] wagnerrp: is the follicathon or something?
[04:00:23] Beirdo: you have to start freshly shaven. screw that
[04:00:40] Bhaal: Beirdo = neckbeard?
[04:00:43] ** Bhaal ducks and runs **
[04:00:48] Beirdo: no. :)
[04:00:58] Beirdo: I've had a beard since I was 17
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[04:01:07] wagnerrp: a late bloomer
[04:01:09] Beirdo: so 20 years now
[04:01:09] Bhaal: Ah :)
[04:01:30] Bhaal: I just forgot to shave some days...
[04:01:45] Bhaal: But I do not look good with any kind of beard...
[04:01:48] Beirdo: heh. shaving sucketh :)
[04:02:01] Bhaal: Well maybe a day or 2's growth is ok, but no more...
[04:02:09] Bhaal: Beirdo: Indeed it does *sigh*
[04:02:26] wagnerrp: i had a friend in high school the grew a respectable half-inch-or-so beard over several months
[04:02:35] [R]: Beirdo: you're old!
[04:02:45] Beirdo: mine grows that in less than a month
[04:02:45] wagnerrp: then his 11yr old brother grew a full on jesus beard over like three weeks time
[04:02:55] Beirdo: hehe, there we go :)
[04:02:58] Bhaal: [R]: shuddup, he is only 2yrs older then me!
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[04:03:25] [R]: Bhaal: than you are old also
[04:03:38] Beirdo: nah, yer just a spring chicken
[04:03:45] wagnerrp: he could have gone to any bar he wanted, and not been questioned
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[04:04:03] josef__: hmm mythtv stopped showing livetv in EPG menu :/
[04:11:37] Beirdo: CL_PLATFORM_NAME: AMD Accelerated Parallel Processing CL_PLATFORM_VERSION: OpenCL 1.1 AMD-APP-SDK-v2.5 (684.213)
[04:11:41] Beirdo: Wooohoo!
[04:13:10] Beirdo: interesting.
[04:13:19] Beirdo: it only picked up the CPU so far
[04:13:21] Beirdo: hmmm
[04:13:33] wagnerrp: not very accelerated then is it?
[04:13:42] Beirdo: hehe
[04:13:43] wagnerrp: or can it use SSE/3DNow units?
[04:13:46] Beirdo: it can
[04:14:00] Beirdo: OpenCL has CPU drivers as well as GPU
[04:14:19] Beirdo: I haven't bothered to download any Intel CPU ones, but this AMD is supposed to contain both
[04:14:32] Beirdo: I may need to start X first though, not sure
[04:14:45] MylesMan: pastebin is being a whore anyother share methods?
[04:17:06] MylesMan: nvm
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[04:23:01] Beirdo: yeah, once I start X, the GPU shows up too
[04:23:16] wagnerrp: well thats a shame
[04:23:25] wagnerrp: what are you supposed to do on the firestream cards?
[04:23:35] Beirdo: ??
[04:23:39] Beirdo: I don't have one
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[04:23:51] Beirdo: I have an AMD E-350 (Fusion)
[04:24:02] wagnerrp: i mean... if the AMD compute acceleration doesnt activate until you start an X server on one
[04:24:08] Beirdo: oh
[04:24:09] Beirdo: heh
[04:24:12] wagnerrp: what are you supposed to do for cards with no outputs
[04:24:22] Beirdo: run X?:)
[04:25:06] Beirdo: CL_DEVICE_MAX_CLOCK_FREQUENCY: 0 MHz
[04:25:08] Beirdo: ummm
[04:25:14] Beirdo: Go, AMD
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[04:25:53] MylesMan: http://pastebin.com/359Feg35
[04:26:01] Beirdo: CL_DEVICE_MAX_WORK_GROUP_SIZE: 256
[04:26:03] MylesMan: there wagner
[04:26:08] Beirdo: aye, carumba, that's small
[04:26:22] Beirdo: the ION2's max is 512, the 550Ti's is 1024
[04:26:46] Beirdo: and no 64-bit floats
[04:26:47] MylesMan: its the logs of the two most recent days i've fiddled w/it
[04:28:22] MylesMan: what if iset the ip to localhost would it negate the mess?
[04:29:13] wagnerrp: 'localhost' is not an ip address
[04:29:30] wagnerrp: are the frontend and backend running on the same machine?
[04:29:59] MylesMan: yah
[04:30:32] wagnerrp: and the IPs configured in mythtv-setup are at least the same, as it is running as the master backend
[04:31:04] wagnerrp: the ip address listed in mythtv-setup is the same as seen in 'ifconfig'?
[04:31:16] wagnerrp: do you potentially have some firewall rules set up
[04:31:25] wagnerrp: that are now incorrect as the IP addresses have changed
[04:32:00] MylesMan: nope vanilla router cfg
[04:32:10] MylesMan: save for ps3/xbox
[04:32:11] wagnerrp: no, firewall on your backend PC
[04:32:15] MylesMan: setups
[04:32:31] MylesMan: no
[04:34:26] wagnerrp: really need to see frontend logs
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[04:37:06] MylesMan: k i'll run fe thru terminal
[04:37:22] MylesMan: how do i save the output again
[04:37:28] MylesMan: to a txt
[04:37:32] wagnerrp: >
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[04:39:04] MylesMan: k i jus ran MFE and i have access to my recs
[04:39:42] MylesMan: i guess it took a bit to adjust
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[04:41:56] Jester86: hey guys.. anyone here know of a good mini PC/ booksize box that'd work well as a FE?
[04:42:13] Jester86: looking to probably use it with wireless in the sort term.. in a rental house
[04:42:45] Jester86: obv the integrated wifi is probably crap so I'm planning to use an external usb wifi adapter anyway
[04:43:09] Jester86: considering something like this.. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856107076
[04:43:21] Jester86: or.. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856173005
[04:43:26] Jester86: any input is welcome.
[04:43:50] wagnerrp: bleh
[04:44:21] Jester86: wagnerrp, i thought you had used to be a fan of the zotac boxes?
[04:44:49] wagnerrp: sure, the ones with AM3 and 775 sockets
[04:44:49] Jester86: has quality shifted for the worse?
[04:44:58] Jester86: ohh
[04:45:11] Jester86: well i'm looking for something to playback h264 so.. :-\
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[04:45:28] Jester86: I have an HDPVR and also record digital OTA..
[04:45:51] Jester86: in addition to also having backup cable tuners PVR150s..
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[04:46:02] Jester86: just need a FE box for the bedroom for cheap
[04:46:22] Jester86: hoping newegg has some deals monday
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[04:46:49] [R]: wagnerrp: no wifi comments?
[04:47:11] Beirdo: I'll wifi you!
[04:47:29] [R]: wifi is a verb now?
[04:47:43] Jester86: lol
[04:48:28] Jester86: i know wifi is probably going to suck for mythtv but i've been able to successfully stream analog recordings to my laptop no problem
[04:49:13] Jester86: and it's only a temporary thing.. once we buy a house i'm running cat6 everywhere
[04:52:50] Beirdo: need more cats.
[04:52:53] Jester86: [R], have you any input for me?
[04:53:07] [R]: i have an ion
[04:53:16] Jester86: happy with the results?
[04:53:28] [R]: no, should have gotten the one with the power brick
[04:53:35] [R]: the psu i have is a tad noisy
[04:53:41] wagnerrp: gah!
[04:53:44] Jester86: hmm
[04:53:54] Beirdo: hehe
[04:53:54] Jester86: well what do you know about the jettway boxes?
[04:54:00] ** wagnerrp raises cross and starts chanting **
[04:54:08] Jester86: haha
[04:54:16] [R]: never heard of it
[04:54:19] [R]: sounds chinese
[04:54:24] Jester86: yeah thats my thought also
[04:54:29] Beirdo: everything's made in China
[04:54:31] Beirdo: sheesh
[04:54:50] Jester86: i just need a cheap FE for my bedroom and dont want to spend more than $225ish if i can help it
[04:55:10] [R]: i paid like $75ish for my zotac
[04:55:11] wagnerrp: except the stuff thats made in taiwan
[04:55:19] Jester86: we have a 47" in there so i dont think my old P4 2.6Ghz dell will would look good lol
[04:55:24] Beirdo: Taiwan's part of China... just ask China
[04:55:28] [R]: wagnerrp: doesn't china consider that china though?
[04:55:29] wagnerrp: oh wait, theyre not making anything
[04:55:36] Jester86: [R], where in the hell did you find that deal?
[04:55:43] wagnerrp: yeah, china thinks its china
[04:55:44] [R]: Jester86: it was years ago
[04:55:48] Jester86: sorry.. forgot about no cussing
[04:55:49] wagnerrp: taiwan thinks its taiwan
[04:55:57] Beirdo: Taiwan thinks it's China too
[04:56:05] Beirdo: one's PROC, one's ROC
[04:56:12] wagnerrp: yeah yeah...
[04:56:12] Jester86: [R], why so cheap years ago and so expensive now?
[04:56:16] Beirdo: :)
[04:56:31] [R]: Jester86: i thought they stopped making em, havnet seen it
[04:56:47] Jester86: [R], let me check ebay then ;)
[04:58:43] Jester86: what is the minimum graphics you'd consider?
[04:59:55] Jester86: what ever happened to boxe
[05:00:04] [R]: boxee is still around
[05:00:11] [R]: any nvidia 8400 and up is good enough
[05:00:18] [R]: the higher end nvidia are better for deinterlacing
[05:00:29] [R]: "good enough"*... the quotes are important
[05:00:30] Jester86: ok thanks
[05:00:36] Jester86: can you put mythtv on boxee?
[05:00:51] [R]: is it an x86 box?
[05:00:55] [R]: do you have root?
[05:01:30] wagnerrp: http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishD . . . ber=22474547
[05:02:07] [R]: does 'cold steel' help absorb the heat? /me snickers
[05:02:08] Jester86: wagnerrp, that'd be nice but.. tooo costly
[05:02:15] Jester86: have to save for a ring and a house...
[05:03:34] Jester86: is boxee plugged into mythtv now?
[05:03:48] wagnerrp: would have to ask the boxee people
[05:03:54] MylesMan: ok wagnerrp it works now
[05:04:12] MylesMan: it was an ip issue
[05:04:40] MylesMan: i never even thought to check that
[05:04:43] MylesMan: lol
[05:04:50] Beirdo: wagnerrp: the one nice thing with this E-350... the mobo with APU... $110
[05:05:09] Beirdo: makes for a very cheap box
[05:05:10] wagnerrp: yeah, but its too slow to decode most video
[05:05:15] Beirdo: agreed
[05:05:22] wagnerrp: decent desktop, not so decent frontend
[05:05:30] Beirdo: well "most" meaning H.264
[05:05:47] wagnerrp: its edgy for HD MPEG2
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[05:06:01] Beirdo: yeah, that wouldn't surprise me either :)
[05:06:15] Beirdo: but it gets me a way to test
[05:07:27] Beirdo: I do like the price though :)
[05:07:37] Beirdo: luckily I had some drives in my unused pile
[05:10:02] Jester86: anyone know if mythbuntu 10.04 is also LTS/
[05:10:14] Beirdo: Ubuntu 10.04.1 is
[05:10:31] wagnerrp: http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishD . . . ber=22474747
[05:10:47] wagnerrp: wow, 200 new wishlists in 10 minutes
[05:11:19] Jester86: nice
[05:11:38] Jester86: Beirdo, I'd assume it has bluray support?
[05:11:51] wagnerrp: what has bluray support?
[05:12:01] Jester86: i just got mythbuntu 11.10 up and running a while ago but dont really like 11.10
[05:12:09] Jester86: wagnerrp, mythbuntu 10.04
[05:12:16] Jester86: or.. mythbuntu 11.10
[05:12:21] wagnerrp: 10.04 runs a pre-release version of 0.23
[05:12:26] wagnerrp: i wouldnt expect much out of it
[05:12:31] wagnerrp: unless you update mythtv
[05:12:39] wagnerrp: at which point it doesnt matter what it comes with
[05:13:03] Jester86: yeah true
[05:13:15] Jester86: well what do you think of mythbuntu 11.10/ mythtv 0.24
[05:13:42] Jester86: i've been out of the game for a while.. trying to my head back around everything
[05:13:52] wagnerrp: for a new mythtv user, a good choice
[05:13:58] Jester86: we moved from OH to NC and I've gone a little over a year w/o mythtv lol
[05:14:05] wagnerrp: for someone who has used mythtv for a while, i have no opinion
[05:14:10] wagnerrp: as at that point, its personal preference
[05:14:22] wagnerrp: and personally, i dont prefer it
[05:14:32] Jester86: I've used mythtv for a long time before.. had it set up in slackware 11.0 and arch linux years ago but now i just dont have the time to really mess with all that stuff
[05:15:34] wagnerrp: i dont really mess with it any more either, ive got scripted autobuilds for my freebsd and gentoo machines
[05:15:41] wagnerrp: no manual fiddling neede
[05:15:42] wagnerrp: d
[05:15:45] Jester86: yeah true.. i only use mythbuntu b/c it requires no time to configure the OS other than to run a bash i wrote a long time ago to create my mounting folders and adds my mounts & mount-binds to fstab
[05:15:53] Beirdo: OK, building on the AMD box
[05:16:12] Beirdo: it's sure to gack out on the GPU stuff
[05:16:13] wagnerrp: should be no mounting needed for a frontend
[05:16:22] Jester86: yeah know what you mean wagnerrp .. free time seems to be a thing of myth anymore
[05:16:27] Beirdo: as I hardcoded in the NVIDIA SDK path for now :)
[05:16:37] Jester86: wagnerrp, i have a FE/BE combo in my living room
[05:16:59] Jester86: have a box with (3) 2TB drives (raid5) and (1) 1TB drive for recordings
[05:17:24] Jester86: also have an external 500G i may add if i feel the need to record more than i currently have
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[05:49:28] Beirdo: agron, eh?
[05:49:50] Beirdo: I know a guy with that name from back in Ottawa.
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[05:54:52] agron: Beirdo, how long ago was that?
[05:56:36] Beirdo: 10-ish years
[05:57:11] Beirdo: Worked together at Tality
[05:57:26] agron: that[s me Ë)
[05:57:32] Beirdo: seriously?
[05:57:34] Beirdo: heh
[05:57:35] Beirdo: nice.
[05:57:49] Beirdo: this is Gavin (in case you didn't put 2+2 together)
[05:58:09] agron: oh comon Gavin, the Linux guy
[05:58:21] Beirdo: hehe
[05:58:37] Beirdo: Still am. And living in Seattle
[05:58:40] wagnerrp: or... the strange guy with a beird
[05:58:47] agron: hey, you still in Seattle?
[05:58:51] Beirdo: yeah
[05:58:55] Beirdo: wagnerrp: or both?
[05:59:14] wagnerrp: well were all 'the Linux guy', or we wouldnt be in this channel
[05:59:33] Beirdo: well, pretty much that too :)
[05:59:45] wagnerrp: except for those freaks trying to run it on OSX or FreeBSD
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[05:59:58] agron: I know, but then at West Port Tech and Tality he was the ONE linux guy
[05:59:59] Beirdo: or (shudder) Windows
[06:00:51] Beirdo: yeah, I was :) hehe
[06:00:56] Beirdo: those were the days
[06:01:13] Beirdo: Imagine crossing paths again all these years later
[06:02:09] agron: I run 100% linux since 2006 at home and since 2009 at work.
[06:02:35] Beirdo: hehe :) nice. I have some FreeBSD, some OSX, some Windows, but 90%+ Linux
[06:03:11] agron: I left Seattle (and MS) in Dec. 2009 and moved to New Jersey.
[06:03:12] Beirdo: You made it down to Jersey? Interesting
[06:03:33] Beirdo: ah, so you left here not long before I moved here (Apr 2010)
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[06:04:36] Beirdo: aw frick
[06:04:43] agron: I loved Seattle, weather and all it was fantastic for me.
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[06:05:04] Beirdo: yeah, I love it even with the rain and overcast
[06:06:04] agron: man it rains in NJ a lot more than there. Overthere it may be rainy but the amount of water is not much.
[06:06:10] Beirdo: freeglut is missing the definitions I need...
[06:06:20] Beirdo: oh wait, I think I needed a newer version of GLEW
[06:06:43] Beirdo: yeah, we get a lot of rainy days, but hte east coast gets a LOT more rain
[06:07:15] agron: so what's your deal with mythtv?
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[06:07:58] Beirdo: been using it since 2004ish, been developing on it since 2005ish, with a long break during my (failed) marriage
[06:08:28] agron: sorry...
[06:08:36] Beirdo: right now, I'm working on GPU-based commflagging :)
[06:08:42] Beirdo: yeah, these things happen
[06:08:46] Beirdo: I'll live :)
[06:09:09] [R]: women...
[06:10:14] Beirdo: agron: so you a user? :)
[06:11:37] agron: Yes I am, but just before the thanksgiving, (happy thxG) my cpu fried. Now I need to go shopping for a new mobo & cpu
[06:12:00] Beirdo: oh, that's always a joy
[06:12:15] Beirdo: I hope the hard drives are OK, they are too pricey right now
[06:12:32] Beirdo: may still have black friday specials for a few more days
[06:13:26] agron: I need many PCI slots because I run asterisk on the same box too with a few PSTN Cards
[06:13:52] Beirdo: oh good luck
[06:14:36] Beirdo: you might wanna consider running two boxes :)
[06:14:48] wagnerrp: or getting Wildcards instead
[06:15:14] Beirdo: that way you get a nice fast box for myth, and an older box wiht lots of PCI for asterisk
[06:16:33] wagnerrp: although it just seems wrong paying almost $100 per modem for a Wildcard
[06:16:51] Beirdo: especially when you already have cards
[06:18:25] agron: One box was fine for me. I think cpu was able to handle that plus I was testing a trapster-like web site I am building in virtual box on the same machine
[06:19:06] Beirdo: yeah, but finding a new mobo with lots of PCI will be tricky :)
[06:19:33] agron: I know, I wish I had Fries Electronics here.
[06:19:47] Beirdo: heh
[06:19:56] Beirdo: I end up just using Amazon, myself
[06:20:01] Beirdo: or maybe newegg
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[06:21:19] agron: amazon...anyway one thing I could not make work on MythTV was firewire capturing from a FIOS cable box. do you know there was anything about that?
[06:21:33] wagnerrp: do you still use FIOS?
[06:21:39] agron: yep
[06:21:43] wagnerrp: get a cablecard tuner instead
[06:21:48] Beirdo: Hmmm, I've never used firewire for that (or FIOS)
[06:21:51] wagnerrp: HDHomeRun Prime or DCR-2650
[06:22:07] Beirdo: I'm using DirecTV and OTA
[06:22:14] Beirdo: so... can't help much there
[06:22:48] Beirdo: frick again
[06:22:57] Beirdo: leave it to me to use NVIDIA's code
[06:23:12] Beirdo: well, this will at least make it more platform agnostic real fast
[06:23:13] Beirdo: heh
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[06:46:13] prologic: Anyone here know how to deal with and fix this? http://paste.pocoo.org/show/513431/
[06:46:45] prologic: It's an intermittent problem at best for me. I've set ttyS0 uart to none with not success
[06:47:29] Beirdo: obviously, something is using IRQ4
[06:47:52] wagnerrp: and you already have lirc_serial loaded
[06:48:03] wagnerrp: er no, thats a different error
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[07:04:15] wagnerrp: woo! 350 lines of python with no syntax errors
[07:05:04] Beirdo: hehe, nice
[07:05:52] wagnerrp: now lets see if it actually runs...
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[07:29:18] ** Beirdo curses at his computer **
[07:31:28] Beirdo: there
[07:31:30] Beirdo: finally
[07:31:38] Beirdo: now for some fun
[07:32:25] Beirdo: first, let's commit the changes that let it compile for the AMD setup
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[07:42:33] Beirdo: YAY
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[07:43:01] Beirdo: so all I have to change is 3 lines in the .pro file... and it will compile against either the NVIDIA or AMD SDK
[07:43:04] Beirdo: :)
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[07:55:37] Beirdo: now I guess I should setup a backend on the AMD box and get me a test recording...
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[07:56:19] Beirdo: this is another reason I love my HDHR :)
[07:56:39] Beirdo: I can temporarily share it between backends.
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[08:30:15] earlten_: Just looking for how to add my already downloaded video content to mythtv and also how to set it up to stream to my ps3
[08:30:28] earlten_: if anyone is around to help with that, it would be great.
[08:31:00] wagnerrp: mythvideo handles non-recording videos, mythbackend has a upnp server for streaming to devices like the ps3
[08:31:09] wagnerrp: but the term 'already downloaded video content' is troubling
[08:32:58] earlten_: like, I have my bluray on the shelf, but to preserve it I've rip'd it so that I can watch it on the PC.. I have some old old shows that I could only find via.. yes, nefarious ways.. but it's stuff I could not just go out and buy
[08:33:22] earlten_: like stuff grabbed from an old VHS of Grizzly Adams, etc.
[08:33:33] earlten_: to validate my content
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[08:45:33] earlten_: of course... the validity of my content should not be under scrutiny here anyhow, unless I'm sitting in here talking about "Hey guys, I jsut downloaded all these recent movies off those torrent sites and wanna watch them. How do I do that?"... which I'm not. I don't really pirate, unless I'm hard pressed to. I did have to find "It's a wonderful life" that way.. but the copyright on that is a little expired anyhow. :P
[08:45:44] earlten_: talking to myself. Heh.
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[08:54:55] Beirdo: OK, test recordings on the way
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[09:40:18] Beirdo: Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig
[09:40:18] Beirdo: name of display: :0.0
[09:40:25] Beirdo: Hmmm, stupid AMD crap
[09:41:17] Bhaal: Beirdo: getting desperate for hardware?
[09:41:40] Beirdo: no, this is for testing GPGPU stuff on the crappy platform
[09:41:49] Bhaal: Ahhh righto..
[09:41:53] Bhaal: Good idea! :)
[09:42:13] Beirdo: OpenCL should bridge the majority of the gap
[09:42:28] Beirdo: but right now, the X didn't seem to bring up OpenGL support :(
[09:42:34] Bhaal: ugh
[09:42:42] earlten_: seems like a stupid question, but how do I add video files already on my hdd to my mythtv setup?
[09:43:04] earlten_: it seems to only want to find television shows it has recorded before.
[09:44:07] Beirdo: (==) fglrx(0): board vendor info: third party graphics adapter – NOT original ATI
[09:44:20] Beirdo: hahah, whatever, it's an AMD E-350 chip
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[09:52:36] Beirdo: funny, the xorg log file says lots about opengl
[09:58:53] Beirdo: got it
[09:58:59] Beirdo: it was linking to mesa
[09:59:46] Beirdo: That got a lot further :)
[09:59:52] Beirdo: and still crashes :)
[10:01:35] Beirdo: Failed to open VDPAU backend libvdpau_nvidia.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[10:01:40] Beirdo: um, duh!
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[10:23:18] Beirdo: OK, some success.
[10:23:21] Beirdo: I think it's bedtime
[10:24:12] Beirdo: tomorrow, I need to code a way for it to decode without vdpau. I hadn't got to that yet, so the video is failing utterly, but the audio stuff is running in OpenCL
[10:25:12] Beirdo: heh, although it's using the CPU device, as the GPU is set aside for the video
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[16:00:53] wizbit: i wonder if the apple remote would work ok on a frontend
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[16:10:09] WulfTheSaxon: Possibly off-topic, but can most ATSC tuners save raw MPEG-2 TS?
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[16:19:12] WulfTheSaxon: (Or this that, in fact, how they all work?)
[16:19:18] sasa: hello. anybody using copy_and_transcode.pl? If I use it on mpg, it's fine. But for nuv doesn't work. Can somebody help me?
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[16:23:34] skd5aner: WulfTheSaxon: that's exactly how they work
[16:24:12] skd5aner: WulfTheSaxon: They do not transcode/encode anything – they save the raw digital bitstream as it's received
[16:27:54] WulfTheSaxon: Ah, good. They all seem to mention H.264 in their feature lists, but I guess that's just whatever software they come bundled with.
[16:29:02] WulfTheSaxon: Is there a good review site somewhere? I'm trying to decide which of the ones Newegg's got on sale this weekend to get.
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[16:33:31] WulfTheSaxon: (Volar Max and some Hauppage USB stick or other for $30 and HDHR3 for $80.)
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[16:42:48] darkdrgn3k: mornign all
[16:43:04] darkdrgn3k: just rebuilt my myth box to use 24 fixes with centos
[16:43:07] darkdrgn3k: but having some crazy problems
[16:43:33] darkdrgn3k: ie: when i tyr to scan for videos it says "failed to start SGf folcer posts. mytthv if they not longer exist please remove..
[16:43:51] darkdrgn3k: also seeing allot of
[16:43:51] darkdrgn3k: 2011-11–27 11:41:30.915 Protocol version check failure. The response to MYTH_PROTO_VERSION was empty. This happens when the backend is too busy to respond, or has deadlocked in due to bugs or hardware failure.
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[16:46:29] wizbit: on mythtv, i had a setting for .pls files what said: mplayer '--playlist' %s that worked fine, but when i change it to mpg123 '-@' %s the -@ doesnt seem to get passed, do i need to escape it somehow?
[16:46:34] wagnerrp: wizbit: not enough buttons
[16:47:01] darkdrgn3k: wagnerrp: any idea what could cause the above message.. i remmeber fixiting it somehow last time but it was a while ago :-S
[16:47:17] darkdrgn3k: master and local be ips are the same since its the same box..
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[16:49:05] wagnerrp: if you restart the backend, does the problem go away?
[16:49:11] darkdrgn3k: nop
[16:50:11] darkdrgn3k: fe-> http://pastebin.com/TNPRpiqw
[16:50:53] darkdrgn3k: BE restarted-> http://pastebin.com/CvxfTvkc
[16:51:47] darkdrgn3k: fe video scan attempt-> http://pastebin.com/DBDa9F0X
[16:51:58] wagnerrp: well theres your problem, youre running mythbackend as root
[16:52:06] darkdrgn3k: ?
[16:52:08] darkdrgn3k: really?
[16:52:37] wagnerrp: no, thats not causing this, but it shouldnt be done
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[16:52:59] darkdrgn3k: yes i know
[16:53:07] darkdrgn3k: there are a few things that are still "broken" like lirc and such
[16:53:21] darkdrgn3k: just trying to get the fe and be to talk to each other
[16:53:54] wagnerrp: you have a slave backend?
[16:54:01] darkdrgn3k: not at the moment
[16:54:14] darkdrgn3k: next phase is to migrate it over...
[16:54:20] wagnerrp: its complaining about one
[16:54:31] wagnerrp: oh, is it active?
[16:54:38] darkdrgn3k: no
[16:54:45] darkdrgn3k: mythbackend is off on it
[16:54:52] darkdrgn3k: this is a clean isntall
[16:55:25] darkdrgn3k: master + fe machine
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[16:57:01] darkdrgn3k: :-S any ideas?
[16:57:18] wagnerrp: that first pastebin, is that actually frontend logs?
[16:57:38] wagnerrp: autoexpire and jobqueue stuff shouldnt exist in frontend logs
[16:57:41] darkdrgn3k: might be mixed be and fe...
[16:57:47] darkdrgn3k: im runnign it all from console for debug
[16:57:55] darkdrgn3k: let me open a new windows
[16:58:09] wizbit: i escaped \@ it plays in the terminal ok, but mythtv doesnt pass it
[16:58:11] wizbit: error: Unknown mpeg MIME type audio/x-scpls – is it perhaps a playlist (use -@)?
[16:58:38] wagnerrp: wizbit: mythtv no longer supports external players
[16:58:50] wizbit: oh no
[16:58:53] wagnerrp: or more specifically, external players do not support the filenames mythtv gives it
[16:59:00] wizbit: :(
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[16:59:27] wizbit: mplayer works ok still
[16:59:35] wizbit: i wanted to use mpg123 instead as its much lighter
[16:59:37] wagnerrp: mplayer and mpg123 will be getting a myth://Videos@backend/... URI
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[16:59:47] darkdrgn3k: clean FE startup -> http://pastebin.com/t2keaHx3
[16:59:55] wizbit: oh i dont think mpg123 supports that
[17:00:15] darkdrgn3k: clean BE startup -> http://pastebin.com/1SjZ8WtM
[17:01:33] darkdrgn3k: fe Video Scan attempt-> http://pastebin.com/qYA1HevR
[17:02:20] wagnerrp: yeah, it wont do anything if it cant connect to the backend
[17:02:38] darkdrgn3k: but it doesnt tell me its not connected :-P
[17:02:47] darkdrgn3k: (like fe normaly does when you startit up without a be)
[17:02:57] darkdrgn3k: so what am i missing
[17:03:04] darkdrgn3k: QT module maybe?
[17:05:26] darkdrgn3k: [root@MythTV ~]# telnet 192.168.40.200 6543
[17:05:26] darkdrgn3k: seems to work fine
[17:05:41] darkdrgn3k: iptables are flushed selinux is off
[17:05:49] wagnerrp: now try to authenticate
[17:06:02] darkdrgn3k: how?
[17:06:51] wagnerrp: MYTH_PROTO_VERSION 63 3875641D
[17:07:11] darkdrgn3k: notin
[17:07:28] wagnerrp: it should respond immediately
[17:07:55] Kimble: Hi. Just a quick question: I'm installing a MythTV backend on a Ubuntu Server, for use with a Mac front-end. It look as tho all I need on the Ubuntu side is: xmltv; mysql-server; mythtv-backend; and mythtv-database. Am I right?
[17:08:33] darkdrgn3k: nop doesnt
[17:09:05] darkdrgn3k: okie..
[17:09:09] darkdrgn3k: -v socket
[17:09:09] darkdrgn3k: 2011-11–27 12:08:55.036 MythSocket(26c31b0:22): Protocol error: 'MYTH_PRO' is not a valid size prefix. 24 bytes pending.
[17:09:19] wagnerrp: oh... right...
[17:09:52] wagnerrp: 30 MYTH_PROTO_VERSION 63 3875641D
[17:10:04] darkdrgn3k: 13 ACCEPT
[17:10:19] wagnerrp: now thats where your frontend is failing
[17:10:28] darkdrgn3k: huh
[17:11:00] darkdrgn3k: dont see it opening a connection on the BE
[17:11:24] wagnerrp: in the logs when it says it is trying to connect
[17:11:33] wagnerrp: is it trying to use the correct ip and port?
[17:11:55] darkdrgn3k: yep
[17:11:56] darkdrgn3k: 2011-11–27 12:10:35.940 MythCoreContext: Connecting to backend server: 192.168.40.200:6543 (try 1 of 1)
[17:12:38] darkdrgn3k: odd
[17:12:44] darkdrgn3k: wheni try to do the telnet thing again .. nothing
[17:14:11] darkdrgn3k: yep right after i try to do a scan the BE stpos responding
[17:14:26] darkdrgn3k: if i restat the be it works fine to an auth request, until i try to scan
[17:14:32] darkdrgn3k: scan shows NOTHIGN in the be
[17:16:11] darkdrgn3k: backend with -v all during scan
[17:16:11] darkdrgn3k: http://pastebin.com/960ZsbGk
[17:17:32] darkdrgn3k: git clone -b fixes/0.24 git://github.com/MythTV/mythtv.git is sopposed to be stabke riight
[17:18:18] wagnerrp: yes, but what you are experiencing is a known but rare race condition
[17:18:31] darkdrgn3k: a
[17:18:34] wagnerrp: in which for some reason, all the threads set up to service connections are deadlocked
[17:18:50] wagnerrp: so the connection is accepted, but there is nothing to hand it off to for handling
[17:19:07] darkdrgn3k: dam threading :-P
[17:19:09] darkdrgn3k: but EVERY time?
[17:19:58] wagnerrp: there was someone in here a bit ago complaining that it would trigger as soon as the scheduler ran
[17:20:09] wagnerrp: or maybe it was the mailing lis
[17:20:10] wagnerrp: t
[17:20:13] darkdrgn3k: any ideas for a work around?
[17:21:04] wagnerrp: his problem seemed to have fixed itself
[17:21:14] wagnerrp: but i dont recall if he said how it fixed itself
[17:21:55] darkdrgn3k: so what now? revert to my old system and never move forward :_p
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[17:21:57] darkdrgn3k: :-P
[17:22:21] darkdrgn3k: upgrade to trunk?
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[17:23:52] TodoInTX: last time I tried to get mythtv working it only supported OSS, is that still the case? Does it work with ALSA yet?
[17:24:07] darkdrgn3k: TodoInTX: i use alse, ever used ooss...
[17:24:12] darkdrgn3k: when was the last time you tried it LOL
[17:24:23] wagnerrp: TodoInTX: are you referring to analog audio capture?
[17:24:29] TodoInTX: a couple years ago.
[17:25:14] TodoInTX: wagnerrp: I don't know... I managed to get the video portion to work but it kept complaining about not finding /dev/dsp or /dev/mixer
[17:25:35] wagnerrp: what tuner card do you have?
[17:25:48] TodoInTX: Pinnacle PCTV 800i
[17:26:07] TodoInTX: using Ubuntu 11.04
[17:26:14] wagnerrp: so youre doing digital only?
[17:26:34] TodoInTX: well, this go round it's not doing anything.
[17:26:55] TodoInTX: can't get LIRC to pickup the remote, no FM tuner.
[17:27:05] wagnerrp: mythtv doesnt do anything with FM tuners
[17:27:10] wagnerrp: darkdrgn3k: what distro?
[17:27:13] TodoInTX: but big thing now is that front end doesn't find the backend
[17:27:13] darkdrgn3k: centos6
[17:27:26] wagnerrp: huh... seems to be a recurring commonality
[17:27:34] wagnerrp: self compiled or from packages?
[17:27:37] darkdrgn3k: self
[17:27:53] TodoInTX: they're on the same box, and I have localhost everywhere it asks for a host.
[17:28:36] wagnerrp: well theres your problem
[17:28:45] wagnerrp: everywhere it asks for a host, its asking for an IP address
[17:28:50] wagnerrp: and 'localhost' is not a valid IP
[17:29:08] wagnerrp: besides which, you really shouldnt be using 127.0.0.1 anyway
[17:29:12] wagnerrp: use a network accessible address
[17:29:35] TodoInTX: hrm, well I wonder why Mythbuntu puts that in there.. :-/
[17:29:54] wagnerrp: is that what you found for the database, or backend IPs?
[17:30:06] wagnerrp: its fine for the database
[17:30:21] wagnerrp: but for the two fields, master and local, you find in mythtv-setup, general, first page
[17:30:26] wagnerrp: those must be IP addresses
[17:30:33] wagnerrp: and for the master backend, they must be identical
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[17:35:31] Kimble: Hi. Why does installing MythTV backend on a headless server require half a gig of stuff, including qt and gnome libs, sound libs, and an ntp server amongst other things?
[17:35:49] wagnerrp: what gnome libs does it require?
[17:35:57] Kimble: oh and webkit
[17:36:24] wagnerrp: mythtv should be independent from anything gnome or kde
[17:36:45] Kimble: libgtk-3-bin, libgtk2.0-bin etc.
[17:36:58] iamlindoro: MythTv doesn't require those
[17:37:02] iamlindoro: speak to your packager
[17:37:07] wagnerrp: sounds like something your packager is pulling in for its own needs
[17:37:15] Kimble: Then why does Ubuntu Server's apt demand them as dependencies.
[17:37:17] wagnerrp: such as... mythbuntu, for their mythbuntu control centre application
[17:37:27] iamlindoro: Kimble: Because your packager set them as deps
[17:37:34] iamlindoro: we don't produce packages
[17:37:38] iamlindoro: We provide source
[17:37:45] iamlindoro: What your packages demand is not up to us
[17:37:54] wagnerrp: mythtv doesnt interface with ntp, but it should be used in combination with ntp to ensure your time is correct
[17:37:55] skd5aner: you could try #ubuntu-mythtv and ask there
[17:38:06] wagnerrp: otherwise scheduled recording will not start at the proper time
[17:38:26] wagnerrp: mythtv is written using qt, and it cannot be removed
[17:38:55] wagnerrp: the backend requires access to sound hardware for the purposes of analog capture with framegrabbers
[17:39:10] iamlindoro: To add to all of that, we don't support installing mythTv as only a backend or only a frontend
[17:39:12] wagnerrp: however the bigger issue is that there is no separation between backend and frontend
[17:39:29] Kimble: iamlindoro: eh? Where does it state that in the documentation?
[17:39:37] wagnerrp: all core operation of mythtv, and everything it needs to link into, is built into the shared libraries
[17:39:49] iamlindoro: Kimble: We don't allow building of mythtv as only a frontend or backend
[17:39:49] wagnerrp: and both mythfrontend and mythbackend are linked to all of the shared libraries
[17:40:06] iamlindoro: Kimble: meaning any separation is done by your packager, and also their deal-- and not supported
[17:40:15] darkdrgn3k: soo any idea waht i can do to fix this deadlock
[17:40:16] wagnerrp: the only way to get a backend-only install is to build all of core mythtv, and then discard the 'mythfrontend' executable
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[17:41:19] Kimble: *sigh* I spend a good while going through the MythTV docs online, and nowhere did I read that front-end and back-end on different machines is an unsupported configuration :-/
[17:41:28] iamlindoro: Kimble: It's not
[17:41:33] sid3windr: lol!
[17:41:38] darkdrgn3k: Kimble: it is a supported config
[17:41:40] iamlindoro: Installing one and ripping out pieces of the other is not supported
[17:41:47] sid3windr: that's rather the whole idea of a front- and backend
[17:41:49] wagnerrp: Kimble: you can choose to run the frontend, or the backend, or both
[17:41:57] darkdrgn3k: Kimble: BUT you cannot split the two.... the whole package gets installed you just decide what to run
[17:41:58] wagnerrp: but that doesnt mean you can install one without the other
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[17:42:16] Kimble: looks like MythTV may not be the right thing for me. What are the other options?
[17:42:34] iamlindoro: Kimble: What do you care whether 12 MB of frontend executable gets installed?
[17:42:41] iamlindoro: Just don't run it on your headless server
[17:42:47] wagnerrp: Kimble: what are you trying to accomplish?
[17:42:56] ** darkdrgn3k has a closet backend **
[17:42:59] Kimble: 12MB? I just installed half a gig of potentiallly useless crap.
[17:43:00] wagnerrp: i.e. what do you hope to get out of mythtv?
[17:43:17] Kimble: I just want a headless PVR that can be scheduled remotely.
[17:43:17] wagnerrp: Kimble: no you didnt, as mythbackend is linked against and requires that crap
[17:43:33] wagnerrp: and who cares about half a gig of 'useless crap' anyway
[17:43:42] wagnerrp: considering thats all of about 5 minutes of recording
[17:43:44] sid3windr: I can provide you with a 200GB hard disk for a tenner if your disk is that cramped ;/
[17:43:55] sid3windr: oh right
[17:43:57] Kimble: On a laptop server with only a 100G drive, I care.
[17:43:57] sid3windr: recordings
[17:44:12] Kimble: my server does more than recordings.
[17:44:15] sid3windr: headless laptop
[17:44:18] sid3windr: that's nice =)
[17:44:22] darkdrgn3k: lmao
[17:44:34] Kimble: *shrug* runs at 10W, that does me.
[17:44:48] Kimble: better than some kWh beast.
[17:44:57] darkdrgn3k: how do you have a 1/2 a gig of worthless krap when one of my backend slaves is running of a 2 gig flash card?
[17:45:21] wagnerrp: Kimble: what cant you do now that mythbackend has consumed an extra half GB of free space?
[17:45:36] Kimble: my question exactly. According to wagnerrp , it's because of Ubuntu's packagers.
[17:45:51] darkdrgn3k: Kimble, : install your root on a pen drive
[17:46:00] wagnerrp: on that matter, if youre concerned about half a GB of files, potentially you shouldnt be using ubuntu, but should be using something more stripped down
[17:46:02] Kimble: It's a half-a-gig of stuff I didn't need, now I'm running an ntp i didn't want, what else is going on now?
[17:46:28] Kimble: wagnerrp: my install was pretty damn small before MythTV came along. But can we get back to the point please?
[17:46:35] wagnerrp: Kimble: the point is, as mentioned, thats all of FIVE MINUTES of recordings
[17:46:47] wagnerrp: a 100GB hard drive wont get you far with mythtv
[17:46:58] wagnerrp: maybe 12 hours or so
[17:46:59] darkdrgn3k: Kimble: and if your sof concerned get a 2 gig pen drive as /
[17:47:18] wagnerrp: so if you want to use mythtv, you need to get another, larger hard drive
[17:47:40] Kimble: you guys are missing the point. I decide what i do with this server, and how it meets my needs, not you.
[17:47:41] wagnerrp: in which case the only stuff youre going to be keeping on that 100GB drive are executables, configurations, and logs
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[17:48:08] wagnerrp: Kimble: if you want that attitude, then you shouldnt be using ubuntu, which wants to do everything for you
[17:48:13] iamlindoro: Kimble: Well, mythtv's dependencies are not changing, and many of the ones you're irked about were caused by your packager, not us
[17:48:13] ** sid3windr yawns **
[17:48:33] sid3windr: a fine hacker such as yourself driving all those fast cars can surely afford a bigger box or even a kwh beast
[17:48:33] iamlindoro: Kimble: if you can't handle that, you need to find a different packager, a different software, or both
[17:48:35] Kimble: iamlindoro: yes, so i was told. I couldn't care less about that now.
[17:48:57] darkdrgn3k: Kimble: then run cat /dev/video0 for your recordings... wow...
[17:48:57] wagnerrp: sid3windr: power consumption has nothing to do with it
[17:49:02] iamlindoro: Well what is it you want us to tell you?
[17:49:07] wagnerrp: as data sitting on disk doesnt require any power
[17:49:10] sid3windr: wagnerrp: for him it does, see above ;)
[17:49:14] Kimble: my point is, if all i need is a simple headless pvr to record digital tv, what should i use?
[17:49:21] sid3windr: cat /dev/video0 > file.mpg
[17:49:24] [R]: wagnerrp: what about a ram disk
[17:49:25] ** [R] snickers **
[17:49:26] iamlindoro: Kimble: We think you should use MythTV
[17:49:31] darkdrgn3k: Kimble: cat
[17:49:37] iamlindoro: If you aren't happy with MythTv, this isn't #DVR-recommendations
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[17:49:51] wagnerrp: darkdrgn3k: in that case, it would be /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0
[17:50:04] Kimble: no, it appears to be a bunch of touchy folks who'd rather criticise than help.
[17:50:13] wagnerrp: Kimble: if you want to record tv, then you want to be using NTP
[17:50:15] iamlindoro: you came here for advice
[17:50:23] iamlindoro: you just happen not to like the advice
[17:50:24] darkdrgn3k: Kimble: no your missing the point
[17:50:28] Kimble: iamlindoro: yes. but you're not offering advice.
[17:50:28] wagnerrp: clocks drift, so you need something to keep accurate time for scheduled recordings
[17:50:32] iamlindoro: we're not going to tell you what you want to hear when what you want to hear is wrong
[17:50:36] darkdrgn3k: Kimble: they arent gonna rewrite myth just for you
[17:50:39] sid3windr: you came here to troll with an attitude, not for advice
[17:50:40] wagnerrp: if you dont want to record tv, you should STILL be using NTP
[17:50:43] ** sid3windr shuts up now **
[17:50:49] wagnerrp: as clocks drift, and everyone should want for accurate time
[17:50:50] darkdrgn3k: Kimble: you where told how to meet your goals already... you just dont like your options
[17:50:59] Kimble: wagnerrp: I know this. But I don't need Atomic clock accuracy at all times. I'm going to set up a cron to re-sync once a day. that should do.
[17:51:10] wagnerrp: eeew... no!
[17:51:19] Kimble: ntp is just an unnecessary extra process.
[17:51:19] wagnerrp: a manual sync causes an abrupt change in time
[17:51:28] wagnerrp: that is a disruptive and very bad thing
[17:51:31] darkdrgn3k: Kimble: then stop it ???
[17:51:39] wagnerrp: thats why you use ntp, to slowly slew the time
[17:51:40] Kimble: how much do you think my clock is going to drift in 24 hours, exactly?
[17:51:48] wagnerrp: rather than ntpdate to directly set the time
[17:51:51] darkdrgn3k: couple seconds
[17:52:00] [R]: wtf, who argues about using ntp?
[17:52:02] wagnerrp: Kimble: up to several minutes depending on the accuracy of your RTC
[17:52:12] sid3windr: darkdrgn3k: you're missing the point, it was installed behind his back (apart from being listed by apt where you have to say yes to install)
[17:52:15] [R]: set it and forget it (r) (tm)
[17:52:24] sid3windr: :>
[17:52:41] darkdrgn3k: sid3windr: if hes concered about doing stuff behind his back he should use LFS
[17:52:46] Kimble: sid3windr: i trusted the apt manager. I didn't think it was going to install a bunch of GUI crap i didn't need when I specified the MythTV backed only.
[17:53:11] wagnerrp: Kimble: as it stands right now, you need to use mythtv-setup to configure mythbackend
[17:53:16] wagnerrp: and mythtv-setup is a GUI app
[17:53:20] MylesMan: i'm having lineup issues, i switched to shaw from bell expressvu and did a fetch lineup now i have some weird hybrid guide of both lineups (thats after adjusting a scheds direct) and a --dd-grab-all
[17:53:21] [R]: haha
[17:53:22] darkdrgn3k: Kimble: there is no such thing as "mythtv backend only" because people where idiots so it was removed :-P
[17:53:39] wagnerrp: now you dont need gnome, you dont need a window manager, you dont even need an X server
[17:53:51] Kimble: wagnerrp: that i know.
[17:53:54] [R]: MylesMan: delete all your channels and add them back
[17:53:57] wagnerrp: all you need is the most basic X libs to allow you to forward that application to a remote X server
[17:54:04] MylesMan: how?
[17:54:04] Kimble: that's what i suspected.
[17:54:15] wagnerrp: as for Qt, that is not 'GUI crap'
[17:54:23] [R]: MylesMan: the mythtv documenation explains all the basic operatinos one can do
[17:54:24] darkdrgn3k: yeh without QT mythbackend WONT run
[17:54:38] wagnerrp: that is a set of c++ libraries
[17:54:50] wagnerrp: some are related to GUIs, most are not
[17:54:58] Kimble: Oh, well, on Mac Qt is just a cheesy cross-platform front-end for some applications.
[17:55:08] wagnerrp: no it isnt
[17:55:09] iamlindoro: No, it's not
[17:56:15] wagnerrp: it provides a whole slew of fundamental data objects, communication frameworks, application frameworks, and other utilities that have absolutely nothing to do with GUIs
[17:58:13] Kimble: I'd rather be confronted with a host of pleasant personalities than knowledgable hostiles.
[17:58:30] iamlindoro: You'd rather not be contradicted at all
[17:58:45] Kimble: iamlindoro: if i disagree with you, I'm screwed lol
[17:58:47] MylesMan: do i want us bcastt or us-cable?
[17:59:03] wagnerrp: because you come in here and complain about your packager doing a bunch of things that we have no control over, and are completely irrelevant in the grand scheme of things
[17:59:23] iamlindoro: Then you get angry when you get set straight on basic facts you've got totally wrong
[17:59:54] wagnerrp: if you want such fine control over your server, dont use Ubuntu
[18:00:13] wagnerrp: Ubuntu is designed to automate a whole bunch of tasks, specifically for those people who dont want such fine control
[18:00:36] Kimble: well, look, do me one genuine favour – tell me how to completely uninstall what was just installed.
[18:00:39] skd5aner: or, use ubuntu, but don't rely on the packages
[18:00:45] skd5aner: (like me)
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[18:00:52] iamlindoro: Kimble: *we are not packagers*
[18:00:56] iamlindoro: Ask your packager how to uninstall it
[18:00:57] wagnerrp: you would have to ask the ubuntu people that
[18:01:22] skd5aner: Kimble: #ubuntu-mythtv – they would be the experts on what comes with the mythtv packages for ubuntu
[18:01:32] skd5aner: and how to remove them
[18:01:51] Kimble: wagnerrp: that's fair. You're not a Linux channel. skd5aner : very few people on that channel, and I've had no response to my query over the past 30 minutes.
[18:02:03] skd5aner: don't fret about the reactions here... it's just out of scope of what is usually discussed here
[18:02:24] Kimble: No, it's par for the course on IRC. It's just so disappointing.
[18:02:27] wagnerrp: we are a linux channel, as mythtv is a linux application
[18:02:38] [R]: Kimble: if you know what to expect on IRC, than no disapointment
[18:02:42] wagnerrp: we are just not affiliated with any distribution
[18:03:13] Kimble: [R]: I didn't say IRC was disappointing – I was referring to people.
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[18:03:42] iamlindoro: Kimble: You're done here, we can't give you the assistance you're looking for-- time to go
[18:03:59] Kimble: iamlindoro: do me a favour and just ban me. You know you want to.
[18:04:06] Kimble: And make it permanent.
[18:04:30] iamlindoro: I'm not interested in banning you-- but your conversation is no longer about MythTV, so just save yourself and us the aggravation and seek assistance elsewhere
[18:04:47] iamlindoro: We can't give you what you want, so why prolong your time here?
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[18:05:16] Kimble: iamlindoro: perhaps i'd rather leave with a good impression of the channel, than a bad one, and I'm hoping for the appropriate behaviour?
[18:05:36] iamlindoro: Don't go away angry, just go away
[18:05:51] wagnerrp: i dont see what behavior is more appropriate than being defensive when being blamed for something you have no control over
[18:06:42] Kimble: wagnerrp: that's fair. I'm new to Linux, and had no idea that the way an app is packaged was out of the control of the developers. I apologise if I implied it was your fault.
[18:06:55] wagnerrp: could mythtv be a bit more restrictive with its shared libraries, and only link the executables into those that actually use it? sure
[18:07:11] wagnerrp: as it stands, all of mythtv's shared libraries are linked into all of mythtv's executables
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[18:07:22] wagnerrp: meaning if the frontend requires something, so does the backend
[18:07:37] Kimble: You have to realise that from a Mac background, the concept of an application being out of the control of the dev is a new one.
[18:07:59] wagnerrp: but all told, you can get MiniMyth that installs an entire distro, including mythtv, several plugins, and all dependencies, on a 256MB flash card
[18:08:19] MylesMan: what!?
[18:08:26] wagnerrp: its all up to what the packager chooses to do with it
[18:08:26] TodoInTX: wagnerrp: blah, I have found the backedn but now it says it is misconfigured though I have gone through the channels scan.
[18:09:00] Kimble: I'll try to find something more appropriate to my needs, wagnerrp . Thanks for your courtesy.
[18:09:25] TodoInTX: wagnerrp: thanks for your help btw, I'll try back later.
[18:09:29] wagnerrp: if you install from source, and install the dependencies on your own
[18:09:34] wagnerrp: then thats what we have control over
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[18:09:55] wagnerrp: but being open source, others are free to do with it as they please
[18:10:17] Kimble: wagnerrp: can you direct me to a good page to start investigating compiling MythTV for my own needs?
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[18:12:41] wagnerrp: seems this is referring to 0.22, meaning its a bit dated...
[18:12:49] wagnerrp: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-5.html#ss5.2
[18:13:04] wagnerrp: this one is likely more dated... http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Initial_Installation
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[18:13:34] Kimble: I'll look into it.
[18:13:43] Kimble: Many thanks wagnerrp . Peace.
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[18:14:07] wagnerrp: seriously... who gets pissed off about running NTP?
[18:14:45] sid3windr: peace.
[18:15:05] wagnerrp: windows automatically runs their own version, osx automatically runs their own version, most linux distros configure it by default
[18:15:27] wagnerrp: its just what you do
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[18:53:15] jm|laptop: hello
[18:53:28] jm|laptop: what does (_|__) mean when trying to tune a channel?
[18:53:46] jm|laptop: or (_I__) or (_l__)
[18:54:43] wagnerrp: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV-HOWTO#What_ . . . _channels.3F
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[18:55:05] jm|laptop: ooh
[18:55:08] jm|laptop: thanks
[18:55:32] jm|laptop: oh.
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[19:13:38] pyther: Hello
[19:14:05] pyther: My upcomnig recording table is empty, it myth says I have no recordings scheduled when I indeed do
[19:14:47] pyther: I get these two error from mythweb (upcoming page) http://paste.pocoo.org/show/513669/
[19:15:15] pyther: never mind, I reran mythfill-database and everything is good now
[19:16:46] pyther: which is odd since, it appeared mythfill-database ran earlier, meh
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[19:35:40] jm|laptop: channel 22 – offset 1&2 Timed out, no signal
[19:36:07] jm|laptop: CH22 is the HD mux for this area. This suggests 1) the transmitter is being weird or 2) the DVB-T2 part of my tuner is broken?
[19:36:26] jm|laptop: regretfully I have no other HD tuners or friends in the area
[19:36:47] [R]: what is an "hd tuner"?
[19:36:52] [R]: is that kinda like an "hd antenna"?
[19:37:09] jm|laptop: [R]: in my case it's a DVB-T2 USB device
[19:37:20] [R]: so a dvt-t2 tuner...
[19:37:24] [R]: dvb*
[19:37:27] jm|laptop: correct.
[19:37:41] jm|laptop: just happens to be the one I use for our Freeview HD DVB
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[20:04:30] jm|laptop: I am unfamiliar with dvbtune, but I appear to have been able to manually tune to the correct frequency for the channel/mux that mythtv can't "see"
[20:04:34] jm|laptop: FE_STATUS: FE_HAS_SIGNAL FE_HAS_LOCK FE_HAS_CARRIER FE_HAS_VITERBI FE_HAS_SYNC
[20:05:19] jm|laptop: I am also able to dump XML details from that which show the valid channels. Why might mythtv be showing "timed out. No signal" ?
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[20:25:38] darkdrgn3k: wierd.. i upgraded to trunk same problem... but not
[20:25:57] darkdrgn3k: video actualy plays
[20:28:51] wagnerrp: Beirdo: you around?
[20:29:34] wagnerrp: or xris?
[20:32:58] jm|laptop: does channels.conf import expect zap format?
[20:33:15] wagnerrp: mythtv does not like doing channels.conf imports
[20:33:20] wagnerrp: they should not be used
[20:33:25] jm|laptop: oh :|
[20:33:27] jm|laptop: k
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[20:36:02] darkdrgn3k: wagnerrp: any idea why i would keep seeing these "deadlock" like actions in trunk as well?
[20:41:58] wagnerrp: not off hand
[20:42:09] wagnerrp: there have been a dozen or so mailing list threads about it over the past year
[20:42:19] wagnerrp: might want to dig through and see if one of those ever came up with a solution
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[20:47:44] wagnerrp: Beirdo or xris: when ever you see this, my question was about nuvexport
[20:48:24] wagnerrp: right now, its version '0.5 ....'
[20:49:00] wagnerrp: do you have any reservations against starting to branch and version it with the core release?
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[21:01:07] xris: wagnerrp: it doesn't need to be
[21:01:13] xris: it's tied to the perl bindings now
[21:01:44] xris: I decoupled it back when ffmpeg was changing so often. people needed old mythtv versions to work with newer ffmpeg.
[21:01:51] xris: I guess that's moot now that we're using mythffmpeg, though
[21:02:42] wagnerrp: xris: im more thinking of it in regards to the ebuild generator ive got for Gentoo
[21:03:02] wagnerrp: it doesnt really need to be the same version as mythtv
[21:03:19] wagnerrp: but the way it is configured, it names itself based off the tags and 'git describe' strings
[21:03:37] wagnerrp: which are currently very different from the official version
[21:03:58] wagnerrp: and currently, master doesn't even have an initial tag, so the whole thing fails
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[21:13:15] wizbit: who dares me to convert my myth recordings hd fs into compressed btrfs format
[21:13:54] [R]: wizbit: DO IT
[21:13:58] wagnerrp: is btrfs considered stable yet?
[21:14:04] wizbit: maybe lzo wont have much effect on mpeg sd recordings
[21:14:19] wizbit: wagnerrp: i dont think its stable, but will be ok for recordings
[21:14:29] wagnerrp: no lossless compression will have much effect on recordings
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[21:14:35] wagnerrp: wizbit: why would it be ok for recordings?
[21:14:41] wagnerrp: why would it be desirable for recordings?
[21:14:48] wizbit: it wouldnt i guess
[21:15:04] wagnerrp: youre not going to be subdividing it, or snapshotting it, or migrating it, or doing anything other than very basic flat file storage
[21:15:17] wizbit: yep
[21:15:31] wagnerrp: btrfs provides exactly zero advantages over any of the other options
[21:15:50] GreyFoxx: hmmm, encrypted ISO's over SG's...... that could be interesting
[21:16:13] wagnerrp: the only reason to even bother would be to maintain consistency with the rest of your system
[21:16:22] [R]: wagnerrp: but all the cool kids use it...
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[21:16:35] wagnerrp: and if you dont think its stable, then you wouldnt want to use it with the rest of your system
[21:16:44] wagnerrp: GreyFoxx: thinking of having another go at your DVD changer?
[21:17:08] GreyFoxx: heck yeah
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[21:17:31] GreyFoxx: with no more need for a nasty hack to get at the data
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[21:34:55] wizbit: GreyFoxx: are you still using slackware
[21:41:35] GreyFoxx: Mostly yes
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[21:47:57] Led-Hed: anyone know if theres a 0.24.1 package for Ubuntu 10.04?
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[22:02:01] wagnerrp: Led-Hed: 10.04 is LTS, so there should be
[22:02:43] wagnerrp: !seen awalls
[22:02:43] MythLogBot: awalls was last seen 1 day 5 hours 6 minutes 52 seconds ago
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[22:53:06] mcmoyer: hey all, is there a way to get a remote frontend to stream the recording straight from the file server vs the mythtv server?
[22:53:20] wagnerrp: huh?
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[22:55:34] wagnerrp: mcmoyer: your recordings are stored somewhere other than the backend that recorded it?
[22:56:26] mcmoyer: yes, I've got a FreeNAS box set up on my network that stores recordings
[22:56:46] wagnerrp: how is your frontend supposed to know about this other storage location?
[22:57:31] mcmoyer: not exactly sure…that's why I was wondering if there's a way to direct the frontends where the media is.
[22:57:32] wagnerrp: your frontend only knows as much as your backend, and your backend cant tell the difference between a local path and one mounted on a remote system
[22:57:53] wagnerrp: your frontend will attempt to access the content from the local filesystem
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[22:58:04] wagnerrp: and failing to do so, will pull the content from the backend it was recorded by
[22:58:17] wagnerrp: so its up to you to do whatever you need to do to put that content on the local filesystem of those frontends
[22:58:34] mcmoyer: ahhh…ok…that makes sense.
[22:58:45] wagnerrp: more so, its up to you to determine whether its worth the hassle of managing additional mounts
[22:59:20] wagnerrp: rather than let the backend proxy through some 2MB/s of data, on a link capable of >100MB/s
[23:00:16] wagnerrp: why not just put that storage in your backend?
[23:00:34] wagnerrp: alternatively, why not make the freenas box your backend?
[23:00:42] wagnerrp: what hardware is the freenas system running on?
[23:01:52] mcmoyer: the freenas is on a single core proc and actually runs off a flash drive…that way my other hard drives can be set up as raid 0
[23:02:24] mcmoyer: the backend runs on a dual core and also acts as a frontend for the media room.
[23:02:26] wagnerrp: so these are scratch disks, for which you dont really care about the data stored on them?
[23:03:24] mcmoyer: which one? the Freenas disks?
[23:03:28] wagnerrp: yes
[23:04:07] mcmoyer: some of the data I care about. that's why I'm doing mirroring.
[23:04:22] wagnerrp: except youre not doing mirroring
[23:04:28] wagnerrp: RAID0 is striping, zero redundancy
[23:04:34] wagnerrp: unless you actually meant RAID1
[23:05:15] mcmoyer: duh…yeah…RAID1…I'll never keep those straight.
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[23:05:45] wagnerrp: well single core, likely meaning small amounts of ram
[23:06:00] wagnerrp: i wouldnt suggest ever upgrading freenas and switching to zfs until you replace that
[23:06:31] wagnerrp: zfs doesnt need all that much power, but boy does it like to gorge itself on memory
[23:07:00] mcmoyer: I've got 1gig in it.
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[23:07:23] mcmoyer: currently, it's using 31% after 44 days
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[23:09:22] mcmoyer: the disks are currently using UFS
[23:11:54] mcmoyer: The issue that I was wanting to eliminate was the ringbuf errors I get on the frontend. I've got a gig switch between the mythbackend and freenas, but there's a 100 switch between those and the frontend.
[23:12:32] mcmoyer: I was trying to diagnose whether it was the switch or the backend….and trying to diagnose it without spending any additional money :)
[23:22:53] sphery: yeah, as wagnerrp said, mythtv frontends read the file locally if it exists at the exact same (absolute) path on the frontend system as on the backend system that recorded it
[23:23:10] sphery: i.e. make the mount points identical and it's reading off the local filesystem
[23:23:28] sphery: (unless you flipped settings around a long time ago that told it to never do so)
[23:23:50] sphery: long time ago meaning those switches don't exist in current mythtv
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[23:29:32] skd5aner: but "local" is relative right... in other words, all that matter is that the exact path can be resolved on the frontend... not necesarily that it's a locally mounted disc, correct?
[23:29:52] skd5aner: I could have a path that is NFS mounted on the frontend, and it would consider the path local, right?
[23:29:57] sphery: right
[23:30:10] sphery: just has to be mounted in the same location
[23:30:31] skd5aner: yea, that's what I thought – but I think sometimes people hear local and think "local/network" not necessarily that the path is available locally
[23:30:51] skd5aner: I should say "local vs network"
[23:31:24] skd5aner: but, I flip the bit that says to always stream – because my network paths are the same on both the BE and FE
[23:31:40] sphery: but that widget no longer exists
[23:31:51] skd5aner: in master?
[23:31:57] sphery: in 0.24-fixes, even
[23:32:24] sphery: the plan is to eventually make the backend just "do the right thing", but the widget was moved already
[23:32:26] skd5aner: ah – well, I hadn't messed with the setting in years
[23:32:36] sphery: and the idea is if you want it to use the file system, you mount the mounts
[23:32:44] sphery: if not, you don't--or you mount them at different locations
[23:32:51] skd5aner: so – in .24 how does it work? does it always default or just honor the last seting the user had set before the widget was removeD?
[23:33:10] sphery: it's still honoring that setting, but you shouldn't be setting it/relying on it
[23:33:25] sphery: you should do as described above :)
[23:33:28] skd5aner: I was under the impression that streaming via the backend was a little more efficient/optimal, but that wouldn't necesasrily mean that I wouldn't want to have consistent paths on my FE...
[23:33:44] sphery: depends which dev you ask
[23:33:54] skd5aner: no different than I expect my user account to be at /home/<username> on all my machines
[23:34:05] sphery: which says to me, if there are any efficiencies either way, it's negligible enough that it doesn't matter
[23:34:36] sphery: but why even mount the mounts if you don't want to use them?
[23:34:38] skd5aner: I wouldn't want to have a different dir methodology for accessing my network accessible files on one machine versus the other
[23:34:45] sphery: just more maintenance for you--and you're not using them
[23:35:23] sphery: anyway, I have a feeling if you reset that value back to its default and let it use the NFS mount, you'll find that there's no noticeable difference in efficiency
[23:35:31] skd5aner: Because while mythtv is pretty much exclusively what my frontend machine is used for, it's nice to be able to access the files there for testing/troubleshooting purposes
[23:35:33] sphery: feel free to use a -O override to test
[23:36:32] skd5aner: sphery: I'm ok with that, but my impression a few years back was that the preference was to leverage streaming and that was the direction that the devs felt provided the "better" experience
[23:36:45] skd5aner: If the difference is negligable, that's fine too
[23:37:29] sphery: IMHO, the /only/ time it makes any difference in efficiency is if you have no storage on your backend system and you're using network storage for it--in which case you want it to read from the NFS mounts on the frontend to prevent it going from NAS to backend to frontend (instead going from NAS to frontend directly)
[23:37:33] skd5aner: also, another reason I do it is my FE is a FE/SBE.... so all the recordings from the SBE go to the disks located on the MBE via NFS... I don't believe the streaming is capable of handling recordings streams correct?
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[23:37:54] Led-Hed: I'm trying to upgrade from 0.22 to 0.24.1 but the database upgrade keeps failing. says the 'internetcontent' table already exists.
[23:38:01] sphery: note that those who claimed efficiencies did so primarily on the "we can optimize reads for how we use the data"
[23:38:17] Led-Hed: I even tried deleting the table and re-running the upgrade, but no success
[23:38:54] Led-Hed: any ideas?
[23:39:03] sphery: and note also all the effort being put into optimizing reads for ISOs on storage groups--and that markk recently added a new check for video files to play from filesystem (i.e. NFS) directly if the path exists there because it takes minutes to start up ISO playback on storage groups, but seconds on NFS
[23:39:42] skd5aner: sphery: well, leaving my system configured to have the NAS mounts in the same location as the local mounts on the MBE make the most logical sense – trying to move them elsewhere simply so mythtv doesn't see them as local doesn't really make good sense to me... either way, it works good :)
[23:39:44] sphery: i.e. we /can/ optimize for how we use the data, but why do it when NFS is already a well-developed, well-tested network file system protocol...
[23:39:54] sphery: right
[23:40:11] sphery: so you mount them at the same location, then let mythfrontend read the files over nfs
[23:40:22] sphery: anyway, this is a sore point to me
[23:40:35] skd5aner: sphery: I either forgot or was unaware of the fact that the option to force streaming was going away/had been removed
[23:40:37] sphery: one of those, "We can build it better than people who spend all their time working on NFS" things
[23:41:33] skd5aner: sphery: heh – I appreciate your perspective on it... I really don't have an opinion one way or the other – just want to make sure I understand how it works and it's always good to learn the "why" behind it too
[23:41:48] sphery: basically, there was confusion about what it meant (in spite of being worded exactly right in the description), and what at least one dev wanted would have broken the original purpose of the setting
[23:41:51] skd5aner: I forced streaming because it was my impression that was the "better" thing to do
[23:42:06] sphery: yeah, IMHO, that's folk lore
[23:42:13] sphery: I'm still waiting for the Grimm episode about it
[23:42:16] sphery: :)
[23:42:36] sphery: Led-Hed: sorry... was focused on my conversation
[23:42:51] sphery: Led-Hed: I need to know exactly how you got the database to the state it's in
[23:42:58] Led-Hed: ok
[23:43:10] Led-Hed: it started back with 0.13
[23:43:22] sphery: I have a feeling that either a) you restore a 0.22 database backup on top of a distro-provided 0.24 database schema
[23:43:43] Led-Hed: I installed via MythBuntu
[23:44:01] sphery: or b) you used your existing 0.22 database or restored your 0.22 database backup and tried to upgrade it and it failed, then you tried again and got the "already exists" error
[23:44:07] skd5aner: ooh, .13 – that's about when I started
[23:44:12] Led-Hed: but I dropped the 0.24.1 database
[23:44:16] sphery: do you still have the original backup of the 0.22 database?
[23:44:21] Led-Hed: the restored my 0.22
[23:44:27] Led-Hed: yes
[23:44:29] sphery: the one you did before you attempted any restores?
[23:44:40] Led-Hed: yes
[23:45:05] sphery: if so, can you please re-restore it using the restore script ( http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . ing_database ) and then attempt an upgrade and pastebin the log file
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[23:45:27] Led-Hed: I'll try that. Thank you
[23:45:29] sphery: s/before you attempted any restores/before you attempted any upgrades/
[23:45:56] sphery: just want to make sure I see the root cause of the failure (which may not be the failure reported when you re-try the upgrade)
[23:46:29] Led-Hed: k
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[23:51:52] Led-Hed: k, so after running mythconverg_restore.pl, you want me to run mythtv-setup so that it tries to upgrade the DB again correct?
[23:52:21] sphery: right, and capture the logs, please
[23:52:44] sphery: could do: mythtv-setup 2>&1 | tee ~/setup.log
[23:54:32] Led-Hed: actually is seems that restoring with mythconverg_restore.pl seems to have fixed it.
[23:54:40] Led-Hed: looks like the upgrade went fine
[23:55:04] Led-Hed: now I feel like fool. (What else is new)..  :)
[23:55:26] sphery: hehe, don't
[23:55:33] sphery: it's likely the a) I mentioned before
[23:55:58] sphery: if you have a backup and restore it on top of a distro-provided DB, it causes all sorts of problems
[23:56:07] sphery: so it's actually good it errored and you got it restored properly
[23:56:24] sphery: glad it's working
[23:56:29] Led-Hed: yup. a) was spot on.
[23:57:04] Led-Hed: Ya, this kind of thing always happens to me when I think I know what I'm doing.
[23:57:20] sphery: just glad you kept around the backup... too many people lose track of the original and end up with the pre-upgrade backups (which are then of mixed-version databases)
[23:57:23] Led-Hed: Its like the software is always waiting to smack me back into sumbission
[23:57:39] sphery: hehe, I think that happens to all of us
[23:58:04] Led-Hed: I learned my lesson about backing up the database a long time ago.
[23:58:05] sphery: for instance, when I go over to a friends to help him "do a quick upgrade", it always turns out to be not so quick
[23:58:16] Led-Hed: exactly
[23:58:22] sphery: yeah, backups are good
[23:58:27] Led-Hed: agreed
[23:58:35] wagnerrp: skd5aner: local filesystem, being something mounted locally, as opposed to a a myth:// or http:// or scp:// or whatever accessed remotely
[23:58:40] sphery: and even though it does the auto-backup before upgrade, I never rely on it (and I'm the one who put the auto-backup code in there)
[23:58:53] Led-Hed: lol
[23:58:53] wagnerrp: IMHO, if you access it through the filesystem rather than through the network, it is local
[23:59:21] Led-Hed: ok, now to play with all the new themes.  :)
[23:59:41] Led-Hed: and I've got to get minimyth setup for my frontends

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