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| [00:12:29] | DeviceZer0: | *cough* hdhomerun prime for 169$ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815345006 |
| [00:12:47] | DeviceZer0: | :) |
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| [00:20:24] | iamlindoro: | SWEET JESUS |
| [00:20:47] | iamlindoro: | As bad as Jimmy Wales is, it is dwarfed by the creepiness of "A Personal Appeal from Wikipedia Programmer Brandon Harris" |
| [00:21:50] | skd5aner: | Jimmy Wales will write a wikipedia article about you that will tarnish your name for eternity... unless you donate $5 |
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| [01:26:52] | Dj_FlyBy: | wagnerrp: that was the problem. the mysql.txt & the config.xml didn't match. Thanks.... |
| [01:29:28] | wagnerrp: | kormoc.... is not here |
| [01:29:28] | wagnerrp: | !seen kormoc |
| [01:29:28] | MythLogBot: | kormoc was last seen 1 hour 12 minutes 59 seconds ago |
| [01:29:32] | wagnerrp: | !seen kormoc_afk |
| [01:29:32] | MythLogBot: | kormoc_afk was last seen 38 days 3 hours 46 minutes 55 seconds ago |
| [01:30:24] | iamlindoro: | He was at the keyboard for 38 days, and died an hour ago of exhaustion |
| [01:30:31] | iamlindoro: | great detective work |
| [01:31:42] | wagnerrp: | xris: thoughts on this? https://github.com/MythTV/packaging/pull/20 |
| [01:31:53] | wagnerrp: | claims of mythweb not behaving with PHP 5.4 |
| [01:32:54] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: so much more stamina than those Koreans, they usually dont last beyond a long weekend |
| [01:37:10] | iamlindoro: | he will be missed |
| [01:37:40] | ** wagnerrp claims dibs on his internet connection ** | |
| [01:37:55] | wagnerrp: | who needs live transcoding when you have 100mbps upstream |
| [01:38:54] | iamlindoro: | anyone who goes anywhere outside of their own home |
| [01:39:23] | wagnerrp: | upstream |
| [01:39:44] | iamlindoro: | so? |
| [01:39:52] | iamlindoro: | You can't guarantee an end to end connection of that speed |
| [01:39:58] | wagnerrp: | fair enough... |
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| [01:53:44] | xris: | wagnerrp: it's possible. I don't have php 5.4. kormoc would have to verify |
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| [02:00:30] | xris: | wagnerrp: but given it's in the ebuild config, that's a kormoc thing, anyway. |
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| [02:01:07] | wagnerrp: | xris: i didnt mean the ebuilds specifically, i was just talking about mythweb not supporting 5.4 |
| [02:01:16] | wagnerrp: | if you knew anything about that |
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| [02:20:52] | xris: | ah, yeah, no clue. |
| [02:21:04] | xris: | I'm a bit behind the times on php these days. too much python. ;) |
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| [04:29:32] | ** iamlindoro claims victory in the ticket 9801 battle of wills ** | |
| [04:29:37] | iamlindoro: | the patch is mine! |
| [04:30:22] | iamlindoro: | of course, I'm not touching it |
| [04:30:26] | iamlindoro: | but I'll claim victory |
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| [05:04:07] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: did you ever grab the file from #9581? |
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| [05:15:39] | Beirdo: | hmmm, let's see |
| [05:17:16] | Beirdo: | I believe so |
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| [06:33:15] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: odds hes got an older card that isnt even capable of xvid decoding through VDPAU? |
| [06:33:40] | iamlindoro: | If so, it should just fall back to software decode |
| [06:34:17] | iamlindoro: | I'm more convinced that he's got a vdpaubuffersize setting from a legacy setup, which is no longer necessary in master |
| [06:34:25] | iamlindoro: | and is, in fact, harmful |
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| [06:38:18] | wagnerrp: | well i failed to confirm 10064 |
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| [06:38:54] | wagnerrp: | recompressed something to h264/vorbis/mkv using megui, plays fine in trunk |
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| [07:08:40] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: I get the sense gregorio doesn't intend to add mythtv version info and logs per the howto... |
| [07:09:46] | wagnerrp: | probably not |
| [07:10:01] | wagnerrp: | id give him an hour or so and then ask again |
| [07:10:08] | iamlindoro: | I'll be asleep |
| [07:10:12] | iamlindoro: | have to race in the AM |
| [07:10:17] | iamlindoro: | earn my turkey |
| [07:10:20] | wagnerrp: | s/an hour or so/till morning/ |
| [07:10:33] | wagnerrp: | how long? |
| [07:10:53] | iamlindoro: | Not that far, just 10k |
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| [18:03:44] | ** iamlindoro sees sphery's favorite priority flag has come up again ** | |
| [18:03:53] | iamlindoro: | WHAT DOES MYTH DO WHAT I TELL IT TO DO |
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| [18:22:50] | sphery: | hehe |
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| [18:26:51] | iamlindoro: | sphery: I just wish you hadn't written just an egotistical, developer-centric reply |
| [18:26:56] | iamlindoro: | (which presumes you've seen his response) |
| [18:27:39] | ** iamlindoro wonders what's wrong with just using "this channel" rules anyway ** | |
| [18:28:22] | iamlindoro: | The SD channel will never have HD programming, the HD channel will have all of what's available, why we gotta jump straight f'ing with priorities? |
| [18:28:52] | wagnerrp: | hes saying he doesnt have matching SD and HD versions of channel |
| [18:29:04] | wagnerrp: | which honestly, sounds to me like he shouldnt have any such problems in the first place |
| [18:29:20] | iamlindoro: | exactly |
| [18:29:22] | wagnerrp: | i assume hes complaining about shows in syndication being picked up on the SD versions |
| [18:29:59] | iamlindoro: | Even that can just be fixed with rules-- create a copy of the rule for the show for first runs, and a copy on your favorite of the syndicated channels |
| [18:30:29] | sphery: | hehe, I hadn't seen the reply |
| [18:30:47] | sphery: | though I'm wondering if it's a developer-centric point of view or a developer-centric quotation of the help text |
| [18:31:24] | sphery: | he totally missed the fact that I was saying /he/ was the one who set it up to pay attention to hdtv flag, and that it's not mythtv's doing |
| [18:31:48] | sphery: | but glad wagnerrp replied with a good reply |
| [18:32:01] | wagnerrp: | personally, i dont understand why he has _eleven_ different versions of his local ABC affiliate |
| [18:32:04] | iamlindoro: | Another advantage of having mostly "this rules" (in addition to all my recordings ending up HD) is that my scheduling times are such that even an atom could manage them |
| [18:32:27] | iamlindoro: | I thought it was just 11 versions of channels with the parade-- don't many channels carry it? |
| [18:32:54] | wagnerrp: | presumably the '6ABC' parade is only carried on ABC channel 6 |
| [18:32:55] | iamlindoro: | oh look at that |
| [18:33:07] | iamlindoro: | he's screwed up his lineups |
| [18:33:39] | iamlindoro: | betting you he has like 9 different lineups |
| [18:33:39] | sphery: | what, you don't have a video source for each input? |
| [18:33:47] | iamlindoro: | his mfdb times must be monstrous |
| [18:33:49] | sphery: | s/lineups/video sources/ :) |
| [18:33:56] | iamlindoro: | sphery: oh shut it |
| [18:34:02] | sphery: | unless you mean schedules direct lineups |
| [18:34:02] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [18:34:06] | sphery: | which would be /really/ bad |
| [18:34:11] | iamlindoro: | I mean video sources, yes |
| [18:34:27] | iamlindoro: | I think of them in my head as lineups |
| [18:34:30] | iamlindoro: | as in a local lineup |
| [18:34:36] | iamlindoro: | (local to my home) |
| [18:34:45] | iamlindoro: | BEcause video sources makes no more sense |
| [18:36:05] | wagnerrp: | i prefer lineups as well |
| [18:36:38] | wagnerrp: | considering you want to differentiate them by groups of tuners that can receive exactly the same channel lineup |
| [18:36:53] | wagnerrp: | as opposed to something like partially overlapping directional antenna, that might receive some of the same channels |
| [18:37:14] | sphery: | but 2 inputs may receive exactly the same channel lineup--but tune it differently |
| [18:37:31] | wagnerrp: | then they arent the same channel lineup |
| [18:37:36] | sphery: | in which case, using "lineup" makes user assume they use the same |
| [18:37:53] | wagnerrp: | since they will technically be two independent broadcasts |
| [18:38:06] | sphery: | when SD uses "lineup" to mean "list of channels" and we need something that means "list of channels and their associated tuning information", I say we need something different |
| [18:38:23] | sphery: | I don't care what it is, but I don't like lineup because it's exactly what SD used to mean something different |
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| [18:39:21] | wagnerrp: | so 11 different channels, spread across five different video sources |
| [18:39:31] | sphery: | we could call it a flugeroth--that way it's something about which the user has no preconceptions to make them set up mythtv wrong |
| [18:39:37] | sphery: | (instead they have to look it up :) |
| [18:40:04] | wagnerrp: | are you using your german compound words again? |
| [18:40:18] | sphery: | hehe, trying to make up a completely new word that's never been used before |
| [18:40:35] | sphery: | I don't even know german, so I apologize for any similarities |
| [18:41:23] | iamlindoro: | I personally think the user shouldn't have to look anything up |
| [18:41:37] | iamlindoro: | MythTv should use language which indicates what the item is |
| [18:41:51] | iamlindoro: | There's no conflict in my mind between both MythTV and Schedules Direct having "lineups" |
| [18:42:03] | sphery: | that would be nice, but when the concepts mythtv needs defined are very different from things with which the user has experience |
| [18:42:19] | sphery: | the conflict comes in for those who use one lineup with multiple video sources |
| [18:42:23] | iamlindoro: | A schedules direct lineup populates a MythTV lineup... mythTv just enhances that data with tuning information |
| [18:42:28] | sphery: | they wouldn't know to do that if they're both called lineups |
| [18:42:44] | iamlindoro: | Why not? |
| [18:43:08] | sphery: | because they just sat down and are starting to use mythtv and have no clue what mythtv adds to a schedules direct lineup |
| [18:43:27] | iamlindoro: | I'm sorry, I'm just not seeing the argument here |
| [18:43:31] | sphery: | if I define a lineup on SD's site, then mythtv asks me to define my lineups, I'll assume they mean the same |
| [18:44:01] | sphery: | rose = rose, by any other name... but a violet called a rose is not a rose |
| [18:44:28] | iamlindoro: | But I, and wagnerrp, and a vast number of our users look at both the MythTV thing, and the SD thing, and cosider both to be lineups |
| [18:45:12] | iamlindoro: | SD presents me with groupings of channels from the broadcaster, which I consider lineups. I take that data, and use it to feed various groupings of channels, which I consider lineups |
| [18:45:32] | iamlindoro: | I'm just not seeing the conflict |
| [18:46:06] | wagnerrp: | i dont understand why we cant just have a big chunk of text in the new web setup, that clearly and explicitly describes their purpose |
| [18:46:19] | iamlindoro: | we can |
| [18:46:22] | wagnerrp: | that way, any time there are any problems... |
| [18:46:25] | sphery: | we should |
| [18:46:37] | iamlindoro: | Widget to display it already there and everything :) |
| [18:46:40] | sphery: | but I still say, newbie user thinks lineup means lineup |
| [18:46:43] | wagnerrp: | "did you read the text?" "well no, it was so lo..." "go back and read the god damned text!" |
| [18:46:50] | iamlindoro: | Now if anyone but me and Captain M would just start working on it ;) |
| [18:47:13] | wagnerrp: | RTFM carries much more weight when TM is right there, just inches away |
| [18:47:21] | iamlindoro: | and context sensitive |
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| [18:51:46] | wizbit: | MythNetvision requires the MythTV Python bindings (MythTV) |
| [18:51:52] | wizbit: | what are the mythtv python bindings? |
| [18:52:03] | wagnerrp: | the python bindings, for interfacing with mythtv |
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| [18:58:02] | wagnerrp: | wizbit: when you installed the core mythtv package, you should have gotten the perl and python bindings along with it |
| [18:58:10] | wagnerrp: | unless they were disabled due to a missing dependency |
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| [19:09:18] | wizbit: | wagnerrp: i git downloaded the stable source code |
| [19:09:41] | wagnerrp: | and you configured and installed mythtv? |
| [19:09:59] | wizbit: | i installed mythtv, maybe something was missing, i didnt notice anything |
| [19:10:15] | wagnerrp: | configure would have told you what you were missing |
| [19:10:42] | wizbit: | im in anther chroot session |
| [19:10:47] | wizbit: | maybe thats the problem |
| [19:10:57] | wizbit: | ok ill check :D |
| [19:11:05] | iamlindoro: | he more the nicks change, the more they're still dustybin |
| [19:11:14] | wagnerrp: | as in... chrooted into a different filesystem than the one you just installed mythtv to? |
| [19:11:42] | wizbit: | im building a special system for my joggler, the same system, chrooted in twice |
| [19:12:02] | wagnerrp: | oh, well then dont even bother with mythnetvision |
| [19:12:08] | wagnerrp: | you dont have the CPU performance to run it |
| [19:12:13] | wizbit: | aye good point |
| [19:12:21] | wagnerrp: | or mythtv, for that matter |
| [19:12:33] | wagnerrp: | SD MPEG2 only for you |
| [19:12:35] | wizbit: | mythtv runs lovely on it |
| [19:12:39] | wizbit: | yes thats all i got |
| [19:13:01] | wizbit: | its got ubuntu karmic on it what is outdated, thats why im building a special slim slackware system for it |
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| [19:21:27] | ** iamlindoro will get his Christmas wish when everyone suddenly wants to live transcode but made stupid backend decisions ** | |
| [19:24:09] | wagnerrp: | because you know people who bought into the compact SFF atom hype are the same people who would want shiny things like streaming transcoding |
| [19:24:30] | wagnerrp: | (not that people who think things through dont like shiny things too) |
| [19:27:04] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, exactly |
| [19:27:26] | iamlindoro: | of course, live transcode will be possible for a matter of hours before *someone* demands GPU transcode |
| [19:28:21] | wagnerrp: | is that something you or capt-m (or both) put together |
| [19:28:40] | wagnerrp: | it seemed like he was at least partially involved when you mentioned it in the other channel a couple days ago |
| [19:29:30] | iamlindoro: | His work |
| [19:29:59] | iamlindoro: | built to comply with Apple's spec, which means it'll work for HTML5 video players, Android, etc. too |
| [19:30:39] | wagnerrp: | final culmination of multiple attempts at better transcoding support hes made over the years? |
| [19:31:17] | iamlindoro: | from-scratch, using lessons learned with the AVFormatRecorder stuff |
| [19:31:47] | iamlindoro: | (AIUI, IANACM) |
| [19:32:36] | wagnerrp: | youre just a Sailor Jerry? |
| [19:33:04] | iamlindoro: | I pity the fool |
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| [20:04:57] | wagnerrp: | hey! look at that! |
| [20:05:20] | wagnerrp: | watching videos over remote X |
| [20:05:35] | wagnerrp: | at 1024x600, its not unwatchable |
| [20:05:44] | wagnerrp: | full framerate, but some horrible tearing |
| [20:07:29] | wagnerrp: | ifstat reads 37MB/s, sounds about right |
| [20:08:14] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: have you used the 'browse by' modes recently? |
| [20:08:27] | wagnerrp: | im seeing some funky behavior with respect to arrow keys versus select |
| [20:08:28] | iamlindoro: | not recently |
| [20:08:38] | iamlindoro: | They can't affect that kind of thing, though |
| [20:08:44] | wagnerrp: | specifically, select doesnt really do anything |
| [20:08:52] | wagnerrp: | or if anything, it drops you back to the root |
| [20:09:27] | iamlindoro: | Just testing here, it's working fine for me |
| [20:09:42] | iamlindoro: | possibly breakage caused in your theme by arrow accelerators being readded? |
| [20:09:55] | wagnerrp: | potential issues with an old version of arclight and that arrow accelerator mess? |
| [20:10:29] | iamlindoro: | No version of Arclight supports arrow accelerator nonsense-- I'm using it right now and not having an issue-- which view type are you combining it with? |
| [20:10:58] | iamlindoro: | Or perhaps it bears asking what Browse By type too |
| [20:11:26] | wagnerrp: | 'TV/Movies' with 'List' |
| [20:11:44] | iamlindoro: | Hmm, I'm testing that combination now with no issue |
| [20:12:04] | iamlindoro: | can you elaborate on reproducing? |
| [20:12:54] | wagnerrp: | within the menu, the left/right keys move down and up through the levels |
| [20:13:02] | iamlindoro: | right, as they should |
| [20:13:03] | wagnerrp: | while select (enter) drops back to the root level |
| [20:13:18] | iamlindoro: | OK, so what does that have to do with "Browse By?" |
| [20:13:51] | iamlindoro: | I agree that select shouldn't take you back to the root-- likely a bug from some of the buttontree "fixes" |
| [20:14:02] | iamlindoro: | but I don't see a corrolation with Browse By views |
| [20:14:10] | iamlindoro: | (all views are one type of Browse By or another) |
| [20:14:20] | wagnerrp: | seems in 'folder' mode, select doesnt work there either |
| [20:14:23] | wagnerrp: | odd, i thought it used to |
| [20:14:41] | iamlindoro: | I suspect it worked there until it broke everywhere else |
| [20:14:48] | iamlindoro: | let's test against mythgame |
| [20:15:29] | iamlindoro: | (to see whether it's the widget or the screen) |
| [20:15:55] | wagnerrp: | plus i seem to be getting some segfaults coming out of playback |
| [20:16:05] | wagnerrp: | although that could potentially be a cleanup issue when using xshm |
| [20:16:52] | iamlindoro: | yeah, can't see how mythvideo could be responsible for that |
| [20:19:16] | wagnerrp: | http://pastebin.com/Dzgffg7D |
| [20:19:23] | wagnerrp: | well dont worry about it |
| [20:19:34] | wagnerrp: | i need to get cleaned up and head over to my uncles |
| [20:19:44] | wagnerrp: | ill update, and see if i can reproduce it on a proper system |
| [20:19:49] | wagnerrp: | later tonight |
| [20:19:53] | iamlindoro: | will test other plugins to see if it's the widget, and see what I can do |
| [20:21:29] | iamlindoro: | select seems to do nothing in mythgame, which is likely the correct approach |
| [20:21:41] | iamlindoro: | I'll see if we're handling a select in tree view when we shouldn't be |
| [20:22:09] | wagnerrp: | if thats the intended behavior, so be it |
| [20:22:27] | wagnerrp: | i just thought i remembered it behaving differently, i could be wrong |
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| [20:38:25] | wagnerrp: | xris: holy crap! their TTL circuitry is rated for 5V and 20 mega-amperes each! |
| [20:39:06] | wagnerrp: | you can run several small cities off that card |
| [20:39:50] | iamlindoro: | Heh, I have a feeling doing anything with one of those boards would involve a LOT of other purchases |
| [20:40:35] | wagnerrp: | such as... all the hardware you intend to control with it? |
| [20:40:47] | wagnerrp: | sensors, power relays, etc... |
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| [21:45:45] | xris: | heh |
| [21:45:54] | xris: | iamlindoro: couldn't hurt to ask. :) |
| [21:46:13] | xris: | plenty of people have x10-compatible stuff |
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| [21:47:54] | iamlindoro: | xris: Sure, nothing wrong with the offer at all-- I looked at it and was interested, just noted that I don't have any of the other stuff I bet is necessary |
| [21:48:21] | iamlindoro: | Though that is admittedly based on no research at all besides reading their product page :) |
| [21:50:26] | xris: | heh |
| [21:50:49] | xris: | if someone's really interested, SD could probably provide a grant for some x10 gear |
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| [21:54:34] | [R]: | HAHA |
| [21:54:49] | [R]: | Given how many tickets you open, it's very hard to trust that your system is reliable, and thus hard to want to work on your tickets, when you're hacking things together like this and ignoring knowledgeable advice to the contrary. How am I to know that the many bugs you open aren't simply you deciding to do something you feel isn't destructive? |
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