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| [02:41:42] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: why dont you want us dating black for free? |
| [02:41:59] | wagnerrp: | and seniors |
| [02:43:04] | [R]: | is myth 100% ipv6, or does somethign still need ipv4? |
| [02:43:36] | wagnerrp: | i believe everything that can work will work |
| [02:43:43] | wagnerrp: | (that means no UPNP) |
| [02:43:50] | [R]: | anythign else? |
| [02:43:53] | [R]: | mysql works? |
| [02:44:11] | wagnerrp: | dont know about mysql |
| [02:44:24] | wagnerrp: | but all of mythtv's internal communication can be ipv6-only |
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| [02:47:48] | [R]: | according to yahoo answers, mysql doesnt do ipv6 |
| [02:48:30] | wagnerrp: | so... anything that can work will work |
| [02:48:30] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [02:48:45] | [R]: | lol |
| [02:49:19] | wagnerrp: | ipv6 support for mysql is really not that imperative |
| [02:49:29] | wagnerrp: | considering mysql should never operate outside of an isolated network |
| [02:49:33] | [R]: | yeah |
| [02:49:42] | wagnerrp: | although it is a bit of a hassle having to maintain two separate stacks |
| [02:50:02] | wagnerrp: | would be nice to be able to go full ipv6 |
| [02:50:33] | [R]: | aparently 5.5 mysql supports it |
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| [03:38:27] | analogue__: | evening |
| [03:39:28] | analogue__: | anyone know of a good cmd line tool to sanitize mpeg2ts streams with occasional bad data? they're killing mythcommflag left and right |
| [03:41:17] | jedix: | how do I encode for ps3 playback? I don't want to lose quality of the 720p recordings |
| [03:42:06] | jedix: | my myth box is linux |
| [03:42:15] | jedix: | actually, pretty much oall of my boxes are linux |
| [04:07:36] | Shadow__X: | jedix: for most of my recordings the ps3 plays it fine through upnp without transcoding |
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| [06:37:16] | clever: | well, that didnt go as planned |
| [06:37:28] | clever: | the new mythtv install lags more then the old one thru x11 forwarding |
| [06:40:54] | clever: | just navigating the menu puts cpu usage at over 90% |
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| [13:06:44] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: yep... time for an IP range filter |
| [13:10:00] | mycosys: | cookin with internet? or preventing said? |
| [13:10:32] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Special:Log/newusers |
| [13:10:55] | wagnerrp: | theyre all 14-character long user names, from polish ip addresses |
| [13:11:12] | wagnerrp: | previously, they were primarily from polish email accounts as well |
| [13:11:27] | wagnerrp: | now, theyre still polish websites, but with .com and .net TLDs |
| [13:12:58] | wagnerrp: | blocking a TLD is simple, blocking domains with polish text is a bit more difficult |
| [13:14:21] | wagnerrp: | although it seems i accidentally picked up a straggler |
| [13:14:46] | wagnerrp: | although email says jeffstewart, username says beth jenkins |
| [13:14:51] | wagnerrp: | im thinking that should stay blocked |
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| [13:26:34] | wizbit: | with the use of both x10 and wol, i can turn off my whole av system, put the frontend in sleep mode, then turn it all back on again :D |
| [13:28:55] | justinh: | at not exactly high speed :-P |
| [13:30:06] | wagnerrp: | amplifiers dont like power cycling |
| [13:31:33] | wagnerrp: | and i use x10's god awful 90's style infomercial website as a reason to never purchase anything from them |
| [13:31:56] | wizbit: | power cycling? |
| [13:32:02] | wizbit: | will it cause damage? |
| [13:32:17] | wagnerrp: | no, but they like to stay warmed up |
| [13:32:29] | ** Peitolm peers at wagnerrp ** | |
| [13:34:22] | wagnerrp: | even to people who aren't delusional audiophiles, a freshly started amplifier will sound different from one that has been on a couple minutes |
| [13:35:41] | wagnerrp: | in other words, if youre going to be using an amp and speakers, leave it on for the duration youre using it |
| [13:36:00] | wagnerrp: | dont turn the thing off for power savings because you paused to go to the bathroom or get a snack |
| [13:38:55] | wizbit: | justinh: i managed to stop my joggler from slowing down by using this: thermal.psv=80 |
| [13:39:13] | wizbit: | now the heat will need to reach 80 before the cpu goes into slowdown mode |
| [13:39:39] | wizbit: | that line went into splash in grub.cfg |
| [13:39:54] | wagnerrp: | wizbit: better to remove the insulator they have glued on top of the CPU |
| [13:40:01] | wagnerrp: | better still to put a heatsink in its place |
| [13:40:36] | wizbit: | i have had tv running on it for about 5 hours, no overheating or slowdown |
| [13:40:44] | Peitolm: | wagnerrp: i thought for a minute then you were advocating never turning an amp off! |
| [13:41:14] | wagnerrp: | no, just limiting turning one off to when you are turning it off for good |
| [13:41:31] | wagnerrp: | not, im leaving it for 15 minutes so ill turn it off |
| [13:41:38] | Peitolm: | indeed |
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| [13:47:55] | wizbit: | wagnerrp: oh no, the system will remain on pretty much all the time, but if i go to work etc, i will then turn it all off |
| [13:48:54] | justinh: | stupid joggler. resistive touchscreens are so last century |
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| [13:51:00] | justinh: | anyway I leave all the livingroom turning off of things to the standby saver |
| [13:51:29] | justinh: | which isn't even ironic, cos it draws less than 0.5W when nothing is on. beats those X10 appliance modules pulling 2–3W |
| [13:51:53] | wagnerrp: | justinh: youre missing the biggest thing |
| [13:52:02] | wizbit: | when i issue this command from my joggler: |
| [13:52:03] | wagnerrp: | that joggler has a plastic heatsink! |
| [13:52:03] | wizbit: | ssh mythtv@tv-1.home.net '/usr/local/bin/sleep-frontend.sh' |
| [13:52:10] | wagnerrp: | a plastic.... heatsink.... |
| [13:52:25] | justinh: | yeah that was a stroke of genius |
| [13:52:40] | wizbit: | the other frontend goes into sleep, but a command is not sent back to end the session, so it gets stuck, is there a way to end the session automatically? |
| [13:52:45] | wagnerrp: | a stroke of something, i wouldnt say genius |
| [13:52:59] | justinh: | just.. 'a stroke' ? ;-) |
| [13:53:08] | wagnerrp: | thats better |
| [13:53:23] | wagnerrp: | design by brain clot |
| [14:01:08] | wizbit: | if i put sleep 5 at the begining of the script and do this |
| [14:01:16] | wizbit: | ssh mythtv@tv-1.home.net '/usr/local/bin/sleep-frontend.sh &' |
| [14:01:18] | wizbit: | it might work :D |
| [14:02:51] | wizbit: | it didnt :( |
| [14:02:57] | wagnerrp: | are you sleeping or shutting down? |
| [14:03:49] | wizbit: | im trying to get my joggler to put the other frontend into sleep mode using a command sent over ssh |
| [14:05:25] | wizbit: | trouble is, once the frontend goes into sleep, the ssh session is not ended |
| [14:05:33] | wizbit: | so it gets stuck |
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| [14:11:05] | Captain_Murdoch: | try making a wrapper script that sleeps for 5 seconds then calls the real one. then ssh in and background and nohup the wrapper script. ssh mythtv@tv-1.home.net 'nohup /usr/local/bin/sleep-frontend-wrapper.sh &' |
| [14:12:43] | wagnerrp: | think the fact that the sleep script is still tied to that tty is causing problems? |
| [14:13:54] | Captain_Murdoch: | possibly, even if not, the nohup won't cause any harm. it will make sure the backgrounded process is detached just in case his ssh isn't closing for some reason. |
| [14:14:16] | Captain_Murdoch: | also make it so that you can sleep without waiting in other cases by running the other script directly. |
| [14:18:05] | wagnerrp: | i just wish i could figure out why my one machine refuses to reboot |
| [14:18:24] | wagnerrp: | causing me to have to go down into the basement and hit the power button when swapping boot images |
| [14:18:53] | Peitolm: | sounds like ACPI is being odd |
| [14:20:20] | wagnerrp: | im actually thinking its umount being bad |
| [14:22:24] | rhpot1991: | great lightning price on an ion box on amazon |
| [14:22:25] | rhpot1991: | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0044DE7XK/r . . . N=B0044DE7XK |
| [14:23:55] | wagnerrp: | well... great if you want a bluray player in one |
| [14:24:19] | wagnerrp: | just for the ION, its not that spectacular |
| [14:25:11] | rhpot1991: | wagnerrp: great if you want everything it comes with yes |
| [14:25:20] | rhpot1991: | but ya you can get cheaper if you go barebones and build up what you need |
| [14:25:31] | wagnerrp: | (minus bluray) |
| [14:27:33] | wagnerrp: | surprising the difference in price between the one with 1GB of memory, and the one with 2GB |
| [14:27:54] | wagnerrp: | this is the one amazon has... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856173007 |
| [14:28:08] | wagnerrp: | this is the same thing with only 1GB... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856173019 |
| [14:29:07] | justinh: | considering 8GB RAM is like £30 these days... |
| [14:29:26] | justinh: | though the ion junk might only use laptop size memory |
| [14:29:44] | wagnerrp: | well they are sodimms, but still.. a 1GB DDR3 sodimm goes for ~$10 |
| [14:30:49] | wagnerrp: | for that matter, a 2GB DDR3 sodimm goes for ~$13 |
| [14:31:24] | wagnerrp: | and a 4GB is $20 |
| [14:31:59] | wagnerrp: | amazing when the packaging becomes a significant fraction of the price of memory |
| [14:31:59] | wagnerrp: | :) |
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| [16:55:23] | jedix: | Shadow__X: thanks |
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| [17:02:48] | wagnerrp: | jedix: actually, you cant use mythtranscode on them |
| [17:03:12] | wagnerrp: | the PS3 will play standard ATSC recordings, which are MPEG2 video and AC3 audio in a TS file |
| [17:03:27] | wagnerrp: | if you do a lossless transcode, it will output a PS file instead |
| [17:03:40] | wagnerrp: | and the PS3 will not play AC3 audio in a PS container |
| [17:06:33] | jedix: | wagnerrp: oh |
| [17:06:45] | jedix: | so what do I do for the files I have already transcoded? |
| [17:07:00] | wagnerrp: | transcoded how? |
| [17:07:07] | jedix: | commercial deleting |
| [17:07:20] | jedix: | so, lossless |
| [17:07:45] | wagnerrp: | grab tsmuxer, or some other application that outputs ts files |
| [17:08:14] | wagnerrp: | the PS3 is restrictive on what it allows in certain containers, like avi, ps, or mp4 |
| [17:08:24] | wagnerrp: | but ts/m2ts is pretty much a catch-all |
| [17:08:32] | wagnerrp: | if the PS3 can play it, it will play it from that container |
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| [17:17:39] | Peitolm: | wagnerrp: will mythfrontend still play them? |
| [17:18:40] | wagnerrp: | if its the same filename, yes |
| [17:18:51] | wagnerrp: | although there is a filesize stored in the database |
| [17:18:59] | wagnerrp: | i dont know if that being wrong will affect playback |
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| [17:19:11] | wagnerrp: | plus your seek data will be wrong, and will need to be regenerated |
| [17:19:20] | wagnerrp: | mythcommflag --rebuild will do that |
| [17:19:45] | Peitolm: | is there a quick way of checking how a file has been recorded? |
| [17:20:11] | wagnerrp: | how? |
| [17:20:57] | wagnerrp: | what do you mean by "how"? |
| [17:20:59] | Peitolm: | well, my PS3 isn't playing back BBC HD recordings, it used to |
| [17:21:34] | wagnerrp: | its possible the recordings are using a different encoder, with options the PS3 does not like |
| [17:21:34] | Peitolm: | running ffmpeg -i <recording> shows mpegts with 5 streams |
| [17:21:51] | wagnerrp: | the PS3 is really finicky about what encoding options you use for H264 content |
| [17:21:54] | Peitolm: | Stream #0.0[0x157c]: Video: h264 (High), yuv420p, 1440x1080 [PAR 4:3 DAR 16:9], 48.20 fps, 50 tbr, 90k tbn, 50 tbc |
| [17:23:22] | Peitolm: | let me see if i can work out which of the recordings might play |
| [17:25:20] | Peitolm: | can't see one i recognise, so i'll have to check later |
| [17:31:21] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: I know this is OOOLLLLD news... but, http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-fireho . . . /001213.html is a great addition to the API control stuff you worked on even earlier. Good job! :D |
| [17:33:59] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: thanks :) |
| [17:35:39] | skd5aner: | BTW – I finally had an instance where the built in MNV tree actually helped me out (rather than just something I could browse through)... I had 1 episode of a 10 part PBS series missing and I was like "oh yea, I think there's a PBS tree in MNV"... sure enough, it was and the episode I needed was there... my wife was even impressed |
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| [17:43:58] | wagnerrp: | ugh... |
| [17:44:12] | wagnerrp: | user told running multi-head frontends is not practical |
| [17:44:41] | wagnerrp: | so he asks if running multiple VMs on a single machine for multiple frontends would be better |
| [17:45:09] | [R]: | for years i had a multihead frontend going |
| [17:45:13] | [R]: | it worked for the most part |
| [17:45:26] | wagnerrp: | multiple frontends on it, running simultaneously? |
| [17:46:29] | [R]: | yup |
| [17:46:42] | [R]: | focus issues in the menus were my only real problem |
| [17:48:41] | Peitolm: | is this running on separate X servers? or multi-screen single X server |
| [17:48:56] | Peitolm: | the former should work (audio ownership aside) |
| [17:49:18] | [R]: | you know, it was so long ago... i dont remember... it may have been twinview |
| [17:50:36] | sphery: | yeah, aren't vm's just the way you run multiple programs on one computer? |
| [17:50:58] | [R]: | haha |
| [17:51:09] | [R]: | Peitolm: and myth you can set the audio output device |
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| [17:51:55] | sphery: | but on a distro that uses something like consolekit/devicekit/policykit, that sets ownership of devices based on who logs in... |
| [17:52:13] | sphery: | i.e. not everyone runs *buntu (even if it's a great distro for MythTV) |
| [17:52:36] | sphery: | this is why Red-Hat-based distros still run mythbackend as root (and pretty much have to) |
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| [17:52:47] | [R]: | oh, this was years before that crap existed |
| [17:54:08] | sphery: | hehe, you mean a program that makes *nix systems work like Windows (where everything has to be run as superuser) isn't a good idea? |
| [17:54:46] | [R]: | haha |
| [17:57:40] | [R]: | omg |
| [17:57:50] | [R]: | i literally just saw someoen say the stupidest thing i have ever heard |
| [17:58:02] | wagnerrp: | you read lips? |
| [17:58:12] | [R]: | lol |
| [17:58:14] | [R]: | [10:55:53] AriaDesu Intel cards are often the same as Nvidia cards. Like the Mac ones. |
| [17:58:17] | wagnerrp: | or is it a 'cone of silence' type thing? |
| [17:58:22] | [R]: | [10:56:05] AriaDesu Intel is the manufacturer of the hardware |
| [17:58:22] | [R]: | [10:56:12] AriaDesu that doesn't make them non-nvidia cards |
| [17:59:34] | wagnerrp: | has intel ever made a graphics card? |
| [17:59:58] | Peitolm: | yes, a _long_ time ago |
| [17:59:59] | Peitolm: | iirc |
| [18:00:14] | wagnerrp: | like pre-3d acceleration hardware? |
| [18:00:18] | Peitolm: | yep |
| [18:00:19] | [R]: | in his confusedness, i do belive he was talking about onboard graphics |
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| [18:05:07] | sphery: | wow, now there's an Occupy Flash group... there's just so much wrong with that. |
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| [18:05:43] | [R]: | is it pro or anti flash? |
| [18:05:58] | ** wagnerrp is waiting for the Occupy Habbo ** | |
| [18:06:13] | [R]: | im part of Occupy Couch |
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| [18:06:18] | [R]: | its the best group i belive |
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| [18:06:36] | sphery: | it's anti flash... says to uninstall flash from your pc to let the world know that sites should use HTML5 |
| [18:06:46] | [R]: | i was on android.com the other day |
| [18:06:50] | [R]: | they have 2 sweet html5 things |
| [18:07:17] | [R]: | one, is a tablet and a phone with live wallpaper on them, and when you move your mouse over them, it interacts with the wallapper |
| [18:07:22] | [R]: | and hte other was the html5 youtube player |
| [18:08:14] | sphery: | problems... a) uninstalling flash does not let the world know anything--just limits what parts of the non-Web-Internet-on-the-Web you can use (I know because I don't have flash in my browser) |
| [18:08:25] | [R]: | lol |
| [18:10:11] | sphery: | b) Adobe cancelled Flash development on embedded devices (something they had to do because tweaking code for/redeveloping/recompiling for every new embedded device was something even Adobe can't afford to do--even if they said it's because they fully support HTML5 and want to improve customer experience), however most of the "useful" Flash apps use Flash for DRM, which won't disappear just because Flash on embedded does |
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| [18:11:15] | [R]: | so now that silverlight is on its way out |
| [18:11:19] | [R]: | i wonder what netflix is going to do |
| [18:11:44] | sphery: | so that means that those DRM-using sites will just stop offering video/audio/... on their web sites to embedded browsers/browsers without Flash--meaning that instead, you'll have to get a specific app for using the site's content (which will likely be an NBC app, an ESPN app, a CBS app, and a million other apps) |
| [18:11:50] | skd5aner: | Not sure if you're an arcade fire fan or not, but they made a pretty sweet concept video using HTML5 – just a fun little showcase |
| [18:11:53] | skd5aner: | http://thewildernessdowntown.com/ |
| [18:12:57] | sphery: | c) if Flash on PC dies (however--due to protest or whatever), then you'll have to download and install specific applications for your PC to access said content (which is even more of a hassle/even more challenging to keep updated than on iOS/Android) |
| [18:13:17] | skd5aner: | I say let flash live or die organically... |
| [18:13:25] | skd5aner: | I honestly don't care |
| [18:13:59] | sphery: | so, basically, occupyflash.org = take all interesting content off the semi-web-like entity and make it all 1990-style "you need an application for that" |
| [18:14:03] | skd5aner: | other than the atack vectors it provides... but who's to say that HTML5 won't have those either |
| [18:14:45] | skd5aner: | not natively, but as an enabler to exploit a browser |
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| [18:15:08] | sphery: | [R]: I fully believe that netflix and the like--if they choose not to use Flash--will create custom applications and maybe "native" browser plugins |
| [18:15:32] | [R]: | hrm |
| [18:15:33] | skd5aner: | please God... no |
| [18:15:41] | [R]: | i say down with drm |
| [18:15:48] | [R]: | they nee dto just stream h264 |
| [18:16:02] | sphery: | hehe, yeah, because no one in the world is going to steal their content |
| [18:16:07] | [R]: | haha |
| [18:16:38] | sphery: | and try as they like, you can't do DRM with client-side HTML5/CSS3/JS2 |
| [18:16:51] | [R]: | haha |
| [18:16:59] | [R]: | css |
| [18:17:04] | [R]: | oh, thats great |
| [18:17:18] | sphery: | well, since most of what people are calling "HTML5" is actually CSS3, I included that in the list :) |
| [18:17:50] | skd5aner: | sure you can... .drm {enable:true;} |
| [18:17:55] | skd5aner: | done |
| [18:17:57] | sphery: | but meaning Cascading Style Sheets, not the DVD CCA Content Scrambling System |
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| [18:18:11] | [R]: | wait, i've not heard js2 |
| [18:18:17] | sphery: | skd5aner: hehe... oh, yeah |
| [18:18:34] | [R]: | <video class="drm"></video> |
| [18:18:36] | [R]: | prefect |
| [18:18:59] | sphery: | it's the eventual next major version of javascript |
| [18:19:09] | [R]: | haha |
| [18:19:55] | [R]: | clientside stuff is fun though |
| [18:20:00] | [R]: | i once did clientside RSA encryption |
| [18:20:08] | [R]: | because ntlm was pissing me off |
| [18:20:35] | sphery: | I'm sure we'll see a lot of web-developers-who-don't-consult-security-experts create a lot of javascript-using code to obfuscate, but that's easily worked around |
| [18:20:50] | sphery: | as is nearly any "roll your own" security anyone creates |
| [18:21:21] | sphery: | at least if you talk to the experts, you get to know which types of things your security solution doesn't solve/its weaknesses/... (since there is no perfect digital security) |
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| [18:47:02] | Peitolm: | with the current 0.25pre, i have set a cut point in a recording, how to i set it to be 'delete before' ? |
| [18:47:52] | sphery: | need more explanation of what you want to do |
| [18:48:15] | sphery: | explanation that's not in the "I expect this works like the 0.23 recording editor" frame |
| [18:48:57] | sphery: | best answer, though, is likely, "Forget everything you think you know about editing recordings and read http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Editing_Recordings" |
| [18:49:13] | Peitolm: | o.k. i could be a couple of versions out, but previously i'd go to a keyframe hit enter and select a delete before/after |
| [18:49:16] | Peitolm: | will read |
| [18:49:22] | sphery: | (but if you give me specifics of what you want to do, I can give you the most efficient approach to do exactly that) |
| [18:49:45] | sphery: | specifics meaning I need to know where you are in relation to existing cut points and desired cut points |
| [18:50:32] | Peitolm: | thanks sphery that answered my quest |
| [18:50:35] | Peitolm: | question |
| [18:50:38] | Peitolm: | will probe more later |
| [18:52:55] | sphery: | basically, the editor usage completely changed in 0.24 from a "I'll try to read your mind and do what I think you want to do" interface (that nearly always prevented me from doing the right thing) to a "do exactly what I'm told and nothing more" interface that focuses on making it easy to create new cuts--so much so that you need to completely forget the old editor's preference for moving or changing existing cut points rather than ... |
| [18:53:01] | sphery: | ... creating new ones |
| [18:53:50] | sphery: | (this also makes it /much/ easier for users who aren't in the US/who don't have good commercial detection to edit recordings--so much so that even though I'm in the US, when I do edit a recording, I find it easier to edit it without importing the commercial flag list and to just create new cuts where required) |
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| [18:57:53] | Peitolm: | mythtranscode can cut mpeg2 streams without re-encoding (or at least just re-encode around the cut-points), is there anything equivalent for h.264? |
| [18:59:15] | sphery: | not yet |
| [18:59:26] | sphery: | at least not in mythtv world |
| [18:59:48] | sphery: | last I heard there wasn't really anything in the *nix world, either, but others could likely give you better/more-up-to-date info |
| [19:00:51] | Peitolm: | ah well |
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| [19:29:05] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: +1 again (http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-fireho . . . 001303.html) |
| [19:29:24] | skd5aner: | that's been on my long time want-list :D |
| [19:31:53] | iamlindoro: | of course it's contingent on having good metadata available for your recordings, but generally seems to work pretty well |
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| [19:35:22] | skd5aner: | I can't count the number of times i've went online to look at episode order when I've had downtime and things have had to re-record or if I start a series late |
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| [19:42:38] | sphery: | there is also originalairdate, too... imho, this is mostly useful for non-Schedules-Direct using users without good listings data |
| [19:43:22] | sphery: | (since we Schedules Direct users get a good original air date in our listings) |
| [19:44:06] | sphery: | and, btw, is a very nice feature for those users |
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| [19:55:24] | skd5aner: | sphery: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9845#comment:2 |
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| [19:57:24] | sphery: | skd5aner: thanks... I think the issue affecting you is also the same one that's causing the other segfault users were talking about recently... |
| [19:58:01] | skd5aner: | np – let me know if there's anything else I can do to troubleshoot/test/help |
| [19:58:08] | skd5aner: | (besides write the patch :P) |
| [19:58:24] | sphery: | you could write a ... er, nvm, |
| [19:58:48] | sphery: | trying to find the other segfault |
| [19:59:46] | sphery: | thinking it was in the previously recorded screen or some such |
| [19:59:54] | skd5aner: | any chance it's related to this one? http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9868 |
| [20:00:20] | skd5aner: | Although – I haven't seen that one come up in a while, it was happening frequently... |
| [20:00:34] | skd5aner: | well, more than a few times I should say |
| [20:02:20] | sphery: | did that one only happen when using the guide? if so, it may well be related |
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| [20:03:14] | sphery: | based on #9845, it looks like we have a problem with building the program list |
| [20:03:20] | skd5aner: | I don't know... last time I remember that happening was in June/July when I have family visiting using Live TV almost exclusively |
| [20:03:30] | sphery: | (though I don't see mention of that function in #9868's bt) |
| [20:03:41] | skd5aner: | (... on 9868) |
| [20:05:35] | skd5aner: | yay – release notes updated through July... man I hate being more than a week behind :/ |
| [20:06:14] | sphery: | wow, nice |
| [20:07:21] | sphery: | and, yeah, I know what you mean--main reason I haven't gotten anything done on mythtv in the last week (after I finished travel that kept me from doing anything useful) is the 302 messages in tickets and the 206 messages in master commits I have to catch up on |
| [20:07:35] | sphery: | thanks, again, for the work on those release notes, too |
| [20:08:30] | dekarl: | anybody know of a script for removing duplicate entries (as in one file has 4–5 entries) from the video library on 0.25-master? |
| [20:08:31] | skd5aner: | ah- no problem, I would really hate for the list to only be 50% complete at release :/ |
| [20:08:39] | iamlindoro: | +1 for skd5aner's work on the release notes, I know it's a tonf of work |
| [20:09:07] | skd5aner: | especially to keep the dev's happy that expect to see their stuff at the top of the list ;) |
| [20:09:08] | skd5aner: | heh |
| [20:09:11] | skd5aner: | j/k |
| [20:09:45] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: ty – not as cool as what you guys do, but hey... it's something |
| [20:09:46] | sphery: | dekarl: point video SG to empty dir, rescan, point back to proper dir, rescan? |
| [20:10:07] | dekarl: | sphery: I'll try |
| [20:10:24] | skd5aner: | and keeps my mind engaged and trying to learn about what you guys do and how you do it |
| [20:11:03] | sphery: | dekarl: though depending on how those 4–5 entries got there in the first place, that might not help? |
| [20:11:52] | dekarl: | sphery: I've looked for the obvious (to me) things,like old backends hanging around or the same directory listed twice, etc. |
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| [20:17:42] | dekarl: | sphery: thanks, that fixed it (at least for the moment) |
| [20:20:31] | sphery: | cool... if they re-appear, I hope it will make it easier to figure out why |
| [20:22:02] | dekarl: | thats my intention, too. |
| [20:23:28] | skd5aner: | July Commits – 506, August Commits – 353, September Commits – 165, October Commits – 289... |
| [20:23:32] | skd5aner: | at least it gets better |
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| [20:25:46] | sphery: | hehe, cool |
| [20:26:05] | sphery: | so, basically, what you're saying is that I've made your job easier by being so non-productive |
| [20:26:36] | dekarl: | sphery: got a question wrt TaskRecordedFile, what about a parent->child relationship for the videos so you can regenerate the iDevice version after lossless transcoding of the parent (or similar actions). or delete all variants when deleting the parent. |
| [20:30:45] | sphery: | Yeah, I saw that question, yesterday, but didn't reply since I need to think through (and come back up to speed on the schema)... |
| [20:31:52] | dekarl: | ok, just asking as it wasn't clear to me if the relation is hidden somewhere in plain view and I'm just not seeing it |
| [20:33:06] | Captain_Murdoch: | there is currently no parent<->child relationship stored as far as files go in the new schema. I could see a benefit to adding one though. |
| [20:33:20] | dekarl: | but I liked it when I saw the audio language attributes. No more sorting in folder "german" / "english" / "both" if that makes it into the visible attributes :) |
| [20:33:48] | analogue__: | anyone got a recipe for cleaning up mpeg2ts files that crash mythcommflag? |
| [20:36:59] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: yeah, I'm trying to decide if we need (more complexity with) specific parent/child relationships or if some other relationship would serve as well... for example, we know which is the "default" file for a recording/video or maybe even store a lastmodified date (which we seem to have lost--even for recorded... not sure whether that's supposed to be there?) |
| [20:37:40] | sphery: | and things like auto-re-transcode get very difficult since you need to know how it was transcoded in the first place |
| [20:38:13] | Captain_Murdoch: | analogue__, you might be able to send them through mencoder or ffmpeg in copy mode to regenerate the container. or just manually 'flag' them using a cutlist. |
| [20:38:15] | sphery: | though it would be easy enough to have the ui ask the user what to do with non-default files when the default file is transcoded or cut or whatever |
| [20:38:28] | sphery: | analogue__: some also swear by ProjectX |
| [20:38:35] | dekarl: | hmm, store the transcoding profile? won't help with funky external transcodes, though |
| [20:39:01] | sphery: | http://sourceforge.net/projects/project-x/ |
| [20:39:35] | dekarl: | or store the intention "this is the iDevice / PS3 / xxx encoding of file yyy" so you can reencode after fixing your profile (I think that might not be worth the added complexity though) |
| [20:40:12] | analogue__: | sphery, captain_murdoch: i just got my hdhrprime-cc working and it turns out a majority of the recodings crash the commflagger (i'm guessing the cable co is just passing along whatever noise it gets in its source TS) so i need a little more robust solution |
| [20:41:22] | analogue__: | sphery: i played around with project-x a little yesterday. didn't really find any documentation and it is a bit confusing |
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| [20:41:33] | sphery: | FWIW, more and more of my recordings crash mythcommflag and/or mythtranscode as time goes by (and I'm doing OTA recordings). Fortunately, I'm a watch-it-and-delete-it kind of guy (and if commflag fails, it's easy enough to just seek/jump over commercials) |
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| [20:42:11] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, I don't know if that functionality could be overloaded anywhere else. it's something to consider. theoretically you could have a bunch of parts that were cut from a single parent. I'm not saying add it, just saying I wouldn't be opposed if/when you get around to it. ;) |
| [20:42:14] | sphery: | yeah, project-x is not meant to be a useful/intuitive application with an easy UI |
| [20:42:34] | analogue__: | sphery: i'm using vdpau w/ xbmc which doesn't seem to tolerate noisy TS files :-( |
| [20:43:53] | Captain_Murdoch: | analogue__, if it crashes at commercial breaks, then one other possibility could be mixed streams like resolution changes. most 'flagger' issues are actually in the player or seeking which isn't really 'flagger' code since the flagger just plays a recording and scans the frames rather than displaying them. |
| [20:45:23] | Captain_Murdoch: | commflag and transcoder don't handle resolution changes very well, there's no buffer resizing or output changes. we do handle aspect ratio changes as long as the frame size stays the same. |
| [20:45:26] | analogue__: | captain_murdoch: yeah, i don't know if there are resolution changes in the file. i often get the "134 commercial breaks" and other times it just crashes hard |
| [20:45:47] | Captain_Murdoch: | 0.24 or master? |
| [20:45:53] | analogue__: | 0.24 |
| [20:46:36] | sphery: | current 0.24-fixes? |
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| [20:47:35] | analogue__: | Please attach all output as a file in bug reports. |
| [20:47:35] | analogue__: | MythTV Version : v0.24.1-110-gf5fd11f |
| [20:47:35] | analogue__: | MythTV Branch : fixes/0.24 |
| [20:47:35] | analogue__: | Network Protocol : 63 |
| [20:47:35] | analogue__: | Library API : 0.24.20110505–1 |
| [20:47:38] | analogue__: | QT Version : 4.7.2 |
| [20:48:28] | sphery: | that would be from Nov 15, 2011... so, yeah, current :) |
| [20:48:32] | sphery: | er, 16 |
| [20:49:11] | Captain_Murdoch: | if you can reproduce a crash, then a backtrace and compressed log with "-v player,commflag --loglevel debug" in a ticket would be nice. a snippet from or copy of the offending file that we could snag would be even nicer. :) |
| [20:49:24] | sphery: | now github is DoS'ing my browser |
| [20:49:27] | sphery: | stupid javascript |
| [20:49:54] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, happens to me whenever I forget and try to view the timeline. |
| [20:50:06] | analogue__: | captain_murdoch: will do |
| [20:50:24] | sphery: | there should be a "This changeset is huge and will consume a few quadrillion operations of javascript. Are you really sure you want to display the changeset?" popup |
| [20:50:53] | Captain_Murdoch: | analogue__, doesn't have to be the full log, just the last few hundred lines. also doesn't really have to be compressed if it's just that much. |
| [20:51:08] | sphery: | yay for the "Stop script" popup... keeps it to only a minute of max'ed out CPU/no browser use |
| [20:51:52] | sphery: | maybe we should make a rule that packages can only choose to package versions whose SHA1 hash links to a tiny changeset... |
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| [21:00:37] | clever: | cant get mythtv to work at all on the new frontend, the gui lags massively, and it throws an exception when i try to watch anything |
| [21:05:29] | clever: | sphery: can you think of any reason why the GUI lags so horidly? |
| [21:05:35] | sphery: | mysql data on an ext4 file system? |
| [21:05:38] | clever: | it actualy runs better over x11 forwarding from another system |
| [21:05:52] | sphery: | ah, that sounds like broken video driver installation |
| [21:05:59] | sphery: | have you tried re-installing nvidia drivers |
| [21:05:59] | clever: | mysql is on xfs |
| [21:06:29] | clever: | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) |
| [21:06:34] | clever: | dont think the nvidia drivers will help any |
| [21:06:56] | sphery: | hehe, well, it just means you have to stick a new/useful video card in there before they will :) |
| [21:06:56] | clever: | metacity and the mouse run fine, and if i try to alt+tab metacity will come up |
| [21:07:12] | sphery: | you're using master? |
| [21:07:14] | clever: | but durring the lag, the frontend wont repaint, so metacity leaves an ugly splotch in the middle |
| [21:07:18] | clever: | yeah |
| [21:07:47] | clever: | 4562b25c9022d203248ad880e3f529f9176099dd |
| [21:07:47] | sphery: | can I get standard-log-level/-verbose log file from mythfrontend startup to pastebin? |
| [21:08:04] | clever: | nothing weird in the logs arround the time of the hangs |
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| [21:08:17] | sphery: | yeah, but I'm looking for something at the beginning of the logs |
| [21:08:19] | clever: | ah |
| [21:08:28] | sphery: | just do a quick start up and post those logs alone |
| [21:10:15] | clever: | sphery: http://ext.earthtools.ca/download/fe.log |
| [21:10:47] | sphery: | 2011-11–21 17:09:04.898549 I OpenGL: OpenGL version : 2.1 Mesa 7.10.3 |
| [21:11:00] | clever: | i tried forcing the qt painter and it didnt help any |
| [21:11:22] | clever: | and yes, gl sucks horidly on this pc, worse then any other, lol |
| [21:11:56] | sphery: | that's because you probably didn't force the Qt painter |
| [21:11:59] | clever: | if it helps any, glxgears gets 25fps |
| [21:12:17] | clever: | mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=qt -v all ? |
| [21:13:36] | sphery: | -O UIPainter=qt |
| [21:13:47] | sphery: | I really need to change that command-line argument to --I-realize-my-video-card-or-driver-or-driver-installation-is-broken-and-my-comp uter-and-not-MythTV-is-wha |
| [21:13:50] | sphery: | t-is-nonfunctional-but-I-do-not-feel-like-fixing-it-properly-and-I-want-to-use-M |
| [21:13:53] | sphery: | ythTV-with-hobbled-functionality-and-a-broken-configuration |
| [21:14:01] | clever: | lol |
| [21:14:03] | sphery: | stupid paste |
| [21:14:19] | clever: | i was originaly planning to play WoW on this computer |
| [21:14:30] | clever: | but the gl drivers are so broken, that it cant even render the login page |
| [21:14:58] | clever: | the image is just completely scrambled |
| [21:15:13] | sphery: | yeah, and it can't even render mythtv menus, it seems--which are not very resource intensive |
| [21:15:22] | clever: | the mythtv menu's dont get scrambled |
| [21:15:23] | sphery: | the right fix is to fix your video subsystem |
| [21:15:33] | clever: | it just hangs mid-transision |
| [21:15:42] | sphery: | right, they're not scrambled, but they're using software to do the rendering |
| [21:15:47] | sphery: | which is slow |
| [21:15:53] | sphery: | especially on a Pentium 100/MMX :) |
| [21:15:55] | clever: | ah, that explains the cpu pegging at times |
| [21:16:00] | clever: | its a dual core 64bit cpu |
| [21:16:04] | sphery: | nice... |
| [21:16:07] | sphery: | you've updated :) |
| [21:16:16] | sphery: | but still a tall order for a general-purpose cpu |
| [21:16:19] | clever: | thats why i was expecting this crap to run better then a 400mhz P2 :P |
| [21:16:26] | sphery: | anyway, you should fix your video subsystem |
| [21:16:41] | clever: | it also has trouble with audio |
| [21:16:45] | wagnerrp: | dekarl: sounds good to me |
| [21:16:49] | sphery: | but do a quick test with mythfrontend -O UIPainter=qt to see if it works around the UI rendering issue |
| [21:17:02] | clever: | sphery: yeah, changing the painter has made it better |
| [21:17:10] | clever: | model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz |
| [21:17:22] | sphery: | then figure out how to fix the video or get a better video card |
| [21:17:32] | clever: | half height chasis |
| [21:17:53] | clever: | nothing decent will fit |
| [21:18:08] | sphery: | the UIPainter override is meant for use by theme designers who need to test using the qt painter, not as a "this makes my system work" approach |
| [21:18:19] | sphery: | (because your system isn't working properly if you're forcing Qt painter) |
| [21:18:36] | clever: | would it be posible to just disable gl system wide? |
| [21:18:46] | wagnerrp: | (dekarl: the wiki stuff) |
| [21:18:47] | sphery: | and note that they won't fix the crash on playback--that likely requires you to fix your playback profiles |
| [21:18:57] | sphery: | best would be to get gl working |
| [21:19:08] | clever: | the playback issue is related to audio, i already checked the source |
| [21:19:14] | sphery: | and by gl, I mean OpenGL, not BrokenGL |
| [21:19:16] | clever: | i can paste it in a minute |
| [21:19:52] | sphery: | (BTW, I think the Mesa in the GL version is normal for all Intel-based graphics drivers... However, the OpenGL: OpenGL renderer: Gallium 0.4 on softpipe is likely the part that's saying "software" |
| [21:19:55] | clever: | 2011-11–21 17:19:27.198774 I VSYNC: DRMVideoSync: Could not open device /dev/dri/card0, Permission denied |
| [21:20:01] | clever: | could this be part of why gl isnt working? |
| [21:20:17] | sphery: | definitely looks like it is :) |
| [21:20:31] | clever: | ok, group has been updated |
| [21:20:41] | sphery: | probably requires an X restart... |
| [21:20:44] | sphery: | might require more |
| [21:20:52] | sphery: | reboot would definitely restart everything necessary :) |
| [21:21:01] | clever: | na, just relogin as myth |
| [21:21:09] | clever: | uid=119(mythtv) gid=119(mythtv) groups=119(mythtv),18(audio),27(video) |
| [21:21:13] | clever: | now i'm in the video group :) |
| [21:21:46] | clever: | 2011-11–21 17:21:22.908131 I OpenGL: OpenGL renderer: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 945G |
| [21:22:02] | clever: | looks like an improvement :) |
| [21:22:06] | sphery: | yeah, definitely |
| [21:22:18] | wagnerrp: | dekarl, sphery: in reference to storing the transcoding profile with the mediafile |
| [21:22:55] | wagnerrp: | one of the things that is going to need to happen with the jobqueue rework is to stop passing transcoding files through the jobqueue |
| [21:23:10] | wagnerrp: | so thats either going to mean mythtranscode needs to pull it up manually through the database |
| [21:23:23] | clever: | 2011-11–21 17:23:17.278987 I AO: Opening audio device '/dev/dsp' ch 2(2) sr 48000 sf signed 16 bit reenc 0 |
| [21:23:28] | wagnerrp: | or the profile is going to have to be hard coded into the command line used to call mythtranscode |
| [21:23:34] | wagnerrp: | i was leaning toward the latter |
| [21:23:54] | wagnerrp: | which in turn means each time you make a new transcoding profile, it creates a new job to match |
| [21:24:22] | wagnerrp: | following this, would it be better to store the job id? |
| [21:24:33] | wagnerrp: | or to store the transcoding profile, and backtrack to the job id? |
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| [21:25:11] | clever: | sphery: can you think of any reason for why my volume sucks? |
| [21:25:25] | clever: | i need the tv up near 60 to hear anything, and its normaly at 20 |
| [21:25:26] | sphery: | have you tried Suave? |
| [21:25:34] | wagnerrp: | why are you outputting over OSS? |
| [21:25:43] | clever: | wagnerrp: it was throwing exceptions over alsa |
| [21:25:55] | clever: | the volume problem is in every app |
| [21:25:59] | dekarl: | wagnerrp: "Finishing Touches" is it then |
| [21:26:27] | sphery: | (http://www.suave.com/hair-care/professionals% . . . r/Volumizing ... says the bald guy) |
| [21:26:28] | wagnerrp: | but youre still using ALSA, youre just using the virtual devices ALSA provides |
| [21:26:46] | clever: | let me switch it back to alsa |
| [21:26:47] | wagnerrp: | User Manual: Finishing Touches |
| [21:27:02] | wagnerrp: | plus ill need to remove the first person and gender mentions |
| [21:27:36] | wagnerrp: | before i stuff it in here... http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Template:User_Manual_TOC |
| [21:30:46] | clever: | ok, alsa is on now :) |
| [21:31:14] | sphery: | fwiw, I'm thinking that any "auto-transcode-again-because-I-changed-the-parent" type data shouldn't be stored in the "main" tables used for all recordings and videos, but should be in a different table, so I'm leaning toward working that stuff out after the main transition to the new schema |
| [21:31:31] | sphery: | versus trying to do too much (which we are probably already doing) in a single effort |
| [21:31:50] | sphery: | dekarl / wagnerrp ^^^ |
| [21:31:54] | wagnerrp: | i expect your stuff to go in before mine |
| [21:31:58] | wagnerrp: | s/expect/want/ |
| [21:32:53] | sphery: | cool |
| [21:33:07] | sphery: | definitely something to consider, but probably don't need to plan it all just yet |
| [21:33:16] | wagnerrp: | since i want to reference the jobs off fileid, rather than chanid/progstart |
| [21:33:27] | clever: | now to test live tv! |
| [21:33:32] | wagnerrp: | that way we can support it for videos as well |
| [21:33:40] | clever: | terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::runtime_error' what(): Illegal number of channels |
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| [21:34:10] | wagnerrp: | when you upgraded from 0.21, what did you upgrade to? |
| [21:34:21] | clever: | wagnerrp: git master |
| [21:34:37] | clever: | 4562b25c9022d203248ad880e3f529f9176099dd to be exact |
| [21:34:54] | clever: | http://pastebin.com/C7XcfgPU is my error when trying livetv |
| [21:36:58] | clever: | i already tracked down where the exception is from, libs/libmythsoundtouch/SoundTouch.cpp line 149 |
| [21:37:17] | clever: | but i dont see what numChannels, so i cant see why its complaining |
| [21:38:32] | clever: | hmmm, i think i see part of the problem |
| [21:38:39] | clever: | when i start livetv, it makes 2 recordings |
| [21:38:53] | clever: | one is zero bytes, the second is actualy recording |
| [21:38:54] | clever: | -rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv 0 2011-11–21 17:38 /media/mainlv/mythtv/1133_20111121173800.mpg |
| [21:38:57] | clever: | -rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv 22M 2011-11–21 17:38 /media/mainlv/mythtv/1133_20111121173802.mpg |
| [21:39:05] | clever: | maybe the frontend is playing the wrong one? |
| [21:39:09] | clever: | 2011-11–21 17:38:01.045824 I TV: playbackURL(/media/mainlv/mythtv/1133_20111121173800.mpg) cardtype(DUMMY) |
| [21:39:12] | clever: | yep |
| [21:41:08] | clever: | sounds like a backend issue now |
| [21:46:27] | clever: | http://pastebin.com/Q8MmajtC backend logs |
| [21:47:09] | dekarl: | wagnerrp: got off the phone, at least renames are free... |
| [21:47:49] | dekarl: | are you editing at the moment? |
| [21:47:49] | wagnerrp: | yeah, but they make links which must be deleted |
| [21:47:58] | wagnerrp: | not currently, no |
| [21:48:07] | dekarl: | ok, I'll take a look at it |
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| [21:48:30] | clever: | wagnerrp: does anything in the backend log look wrong? |
| [21:49:29] | wagnerrp: | yeah, it refused to record judge judy |
| [21:49:41] | wagnerrp: | thats the quality filter acting up again |
| [21:49:45] | clever: | lol |
| [21:49:54] | clever: | that just happened to be on the channel that i used last |
| [21:50:04] | clever: | i cant change channel because the frontend crashes the instant i open livetv |
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| [21:50:30] | [R]: | wagnerrp: judge judy is awesome |
| [21:50:39] | wagnerrp: | you would say that |
| [21:50:54] | clever: | if i could, i would nuke it from the program table completely :P |
| [21:51:01] | wagnerrp: | its where all those pregnant teenagers have to go to get money from their baby daddy |
| [21:51:05] | [R]: | wagnerrp: HAHA |
| [21:51:30] | [R]: | so a friend of mine is on antibiotics and she coudlnt drink with us this weekend |
| [21:51:41] | [R]: | i warned her about what can happen when you are on antibiotics |
| [21:51:41] | [R]: | haha |
| [21:52:17] | wagnerrp: | whats wrong with alcohol and antibiotics? |
| [21:52:53] | wagnerrp: | i mean youll inhibit your immune system, limiting the effects of the antibiotics |
| [21:53:03] | wagnerrp: | but its not like mixing it with painkillers |
| [21:53:08] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, drunk white blood cells might attack your brain |
| [21:53:13] | [R]: | lol |
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| [21:53:52] | wagnerrp: | youre drinking alcohol, isnt that what you want? |
| [21:53:54] | clever: | wagnerrp: any other reason for the backend to fail to record? |
| [21:54:01] | clever: | lol |
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| [21:54:08] | wagnerrp: | with the verbosity there, nothing i saw |
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| [21:54:20] | clever: | what other -v flags should i turn on then? |
| [21:54:46] | wagnerrp: | dont know off hand, not really my area |
| [21:54:55] | clever: | ok |
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| [22:06:44] | dekarl: | can I say "anecdotical wisdom" |
| [22:08:59] | wagnerrp: | something in relation to 'parts you know work'? |
| [22:11:14] | dekarl: | more like "I've seen <insert cool story> but can't say much about the how and why" |
| [22:11:47] | dekarl: | like "I had to do away with the old CRT because I couldn't get the aspect ratio right, so should you" |
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| [22:15:35] | dekarl: | wagnerrp: I'm tempted to add short bullet lists to every paragraph hinting at further reading. Like "make it look nice can be done by [[mounting the frontend on the vesa mounts]] or [[stuffing it in the closet]]" |
| [22:17:19] | sphery: | clever: ar eyou running your frontend in a VM? |
| [22:18:47] | clever: | sphery: nope |
| [22:19:01] | sphery: | ah, was wondering about the 2011-11–21 17:09:04.898529 I OpenGL: OpenGL vendor : VMware, Inc. |
| [22:19:29] | sid3windr: | heh |
| [22:19:30] | sphery: | but I'm guessing that's just because vmware bought gallium |
| [22:20:03] | sphery: | er, technically, bought Tungsten Graphics, but you get the idea |
| [22:20:21] | clever: | sphery: the problem looks more backend related, the backend creates 2 files when i start livetv |
| [22:20:29] | clever: | the frontend then tries to play the 0 byte one |
| [22:20:34] | clever: | while the backend records to the second |
| [22:21:12] | sphery: | yeah, I was still on the "even though the opengl configuration was using software, the auto-detect code chose to use opengl" thing for trying to figure out a good way to detect that and fall back to qt painter |
| [22:23:27] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: ping pong |
| [22:25:37] | Beirdo: | what's up? |
| [22:30:15] | skd5aner: | hey... do you have any more of those HDPVR killer switches built up for sale? |
| [22:30:43] | Beirdo: | currently built, no, but I can easily build one up |
| [22:30:54] | Beirdo: | I have parts for about 10–15 more |
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| [22:31:06] | skd5aner: | I'm having to restart the box every 1–3 days... and it seems to always bomb when "The Walking Dead" wants to record and they don't reair it until fridays :P |
| [22:31:14] | Beirdo: | gah |
| [22:31:15] | skd5aner: | How much? |
| [22:31:44] | skd5aner: | I don't understand why the box worked fine for 2+ years, and now.... :P |
| [22:31:48] | Beirdo: | I think it was $25 with shipping... |
| [22:32:04] | skd5aner: | (that included shipping)? |
| [22:32:08] | Beirdo: | aye |
| [22:32:37] | skd5aner: | I'll take one... what do you need from me... paypal payment I assume? |
| [22:32:49] | Beirdo: | paypal works, yup |
| [22:33:04] | skd5aner: | how long before you can build and send? Not that I'm in a super rush... |
| [22:33:51] | Beirdo: | I can do one up later this week. Not sure when I'll be able to ship (depends on if the Fedex store is open, basically) |
| [22:39:15] | skd5aner: | Good deal – thanks man! |
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