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| [00:51:06] | johngalt: | just installed mythbuntu and really want to import some video from my vcr via a pvr-250 tuner card. mythtv tells me "could not connect to the master backend server... mythbackend fails on start, ip address it's set to 127.0.0.1 both fromtend and backend are on the same machine. |
| [00:54:56] | wagnerrp: | hopefully you installed mythtv for more than to just digitize your VHS tapes |
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| [01:01:39] | wagnerrp: | johngalt: do you actually intend to record TV? |
| [01:02:06] | wagnerrp: | or are you just doing this to capture your vhs tapes? |
| [01:02:35] | johngalt: | just vhs tapes via pvr-250 card |
| [01:02:52] | wagnerrp: | then mythtv is completely the wrong tool |
| [01:03:19] | tank-man: | when seting up the pvr-250, you didn't use the 'cat' command to test it? |
| [01:04:10] | johngalt: | sigh! it was recommended elsewhere quite highly for bringing video online |
| [01:04:31] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is designed to record broadcast television based off a schedule |
| [01:04:42] | wagnerrp: | it is not well suited for manually timed capture |
| [01:04:44] | johngalt: | have had massive trouble getting the pvr-250 to work |
| [01:04:54] | wagnerrp: | however, since your PVR-250 is an mpeg encoder |
| [01:05:04] | iamlindoro: | If you have a working PVR-250, then you have all the tools you need |
| [01:05:07] | wagnerrp: | and its device node provides MPEG2 data |
| [01:05:17] | wagnerrp: | you just 'cat /dev/video0 > some_file.mpg' |
| [01:05:29] | wagnerrp: | and ctrl-c once the tape has ended playback |
| [01:05:48] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is just an unnecessary complication |
| [01:06:18] | wagnerrp: | further, if these are not home videos, but are something that can be purchased on DVD |
| [01:06:25] | johngalt: | wish someone had told me that about 3 months ago! what about choosing the card input? |
| [01:06:35] | wagnerrp: | do so, its not worth the time and effort to capture them from VHS if you can buy them for a couple bucks |
| [01:06:47] | wagnerrp: | that can be done with v4l2-ctl |
| [01:07:00] | johngalt: | they aren't available on dvd sadly |
| [01:10:04] | johngalt: | 1 other question will the resulting mpeg file include sound? |
| [01:10:13] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [01:12:22] | johngalt: | so something like cat /dev/video0|myfavorite videoplayer shoul display like a tvset correct? |
| [01:12:57] | wagnerrp: | asuming 'myfavorite videolayer' can read from stdin |
| [01:13:03] | awalls: | mplayer /dev/video0 |
| [01:13:21] | awalls: | mplayer /dev/video0 -cache 8192 |
| [01:13:31] | awalls: | to avaoid problems on slow machines |
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| [01:14:18] | johngalt: | yea, was thinking mplayer... but not picky |
| [01:14:28] | awalls: | I know the PVR-150 and PVR-500 digitizer sometimes have problems with poor sync pulses produced by VCRs |
| [01:14:42] | awalls: | Hopefully the PVR-250 is better |
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| [01:15:40] | johngalt: | the 250 was specifically recommended for macrovision issues – specifically related to sync |
| [01:16:10] | awalls: | I suspect it will be better. |
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| [01:17:17] | awalls: | I can't say if it will effectively compensate for macrovision, but at that point, you're pirating copies anyway |
| [01:18:21] | wagnerrp: | well for the rare content that simply cant be found on dvd, theres not much else that can be done |
| [01:19:03] | awalls: | Yeah, and if it is for personal backup reasons, fair use does apply |
| [01:19:15] | ** awalls should be so hasty to judge ** | |
| [01:19:20] | awalls: | /shouldn't/ |
| [01:20:00] | wagnerrp: | i would hope most people arent trying to pirate vhs |
| [01:20:09] | wagnerrp: | i mean the effort put into doing so is just too high |
| [01:20:57] | johngalt: | I'm not going any further than what has been said on that issue other than to say that the only copies of the media are tied to the tape it came from and generally this is the only way for the owner of the tape to view it's content. even I had to borrow a vcr for this project. just want to watch what I already have |
| [01:20:58] | wagnerrp: | its not like a dvd where you can pull it in 5–10 minutes |
| [01:21:38] | wagnerrp: | right, like i said previously, if you can get it elsewhere, youre much better off doing so |
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| [01:22:47] | johngalt: | not here to debate the point, but don't consider what I'm doing piracy, more of the vonly practical way to play vhs tapes in a dvd player, ones that were never made on dvd anyway |
| [01:25:11] | johngalt: | thanks, watching /dev/video0 with vlc |
| [01:25:48] | awalls: | Do you get the macrovision fade-in/fade-out with the PVR-250? |
| [01:25:57] | awalls: | (just curious) |
| [01:26:02] | wagnerrp: | sphery: do you plan on switching to progstart/recstart completely with the schema update? |
| [01:26:15] | wagnerrp: | start to phase out 'starttime' entirely? |
| [01:26:21] | johngalt: | no havn't had problems that way |
| [01:26:50] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: it might be a good idea to do that with the API before anything gets officially released |
| [01:27:10] | wagnerrp: | s/API/Services API/ |
| [01:27:25] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: ?? |
| [01:27:43] | wagnerrp: | change all ambiguous use of starttime to progstart or recstart |
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| [02:11:10] | wagnerrp: | sphery: whats the purpose of recorded.basename? |
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| [03:19:08] | Blaksmith: | got an issue.. i had to reinstall my backend box, and the new kernel 3.1.1 (gentoo) I had to use the latest mythtv-0.25_pre20011102 in order for it to actually see my hauppauge PVR150 card.. that is working fine .. the problem is, I had to upgrade my frontend on my ubuntu 11.10 box, and it is using Library API 0.25.20111116–1 .. and is complaining that the database on the back end is old and wants to try and update it.. |
| [03:19:19] | Blaksmith: | question is.. is there a way to make my frontend allow the older database? the backend did update to 0.25 .. it was 0.24 before |
| [03:20:02] | iamlindoro: | No, there is no way to allow it to allow the older database-- and you wouldn't want it to as feeding bad info to the DB schema is a great way to chew your DB to pieces |
| [03:20:26] | iamlindoro: | You should upgrade your backend to a newer package |
| [03:20:55] | iamlindoro: | I'm sure you could convince the ebuild maintainer to bump version |
| [03:20:57] | wagnerrp: | Blaksmith: it is extremely simple to spawn new packages on gentoo |
| [03:20:59] | ** iamlindoro pokes wagnerrp ** | |
| [03:21:05] | ** wagnerrp giggles ** | |
| [03:21:10] | iamlindoro: | tee heeeee |
| [03:21:33] | wagnerrp: | just go into your overlay root |
| [03:21:41] | wagnerrp: | and run 'scripts/mythtv-buildebuild.py' |
| [03:21:47] | Blaksmith: | the latest package available for the gentoo box was nabbed about 30 min before upgrading the ubuntu one |
| [03:21:49] | wagnerrp: | it does all the rest |
| [03:22:16] | Blaksmith: | ok, lemme try.. thanks |
| [03:22:25] | wagnerrp: | weve not been very diligent about keeping the ebuilds up to date as that script does everything for us |
| [03:22:36] | wagnerrp: | (and for any user so willing to run master) |
| [03:23:00] | wagnerrp: | (or any user running 0.24 for that matter) |
| [03:25:56] | Blaksmith: | 0.24 wouldn't see my card with kernel 3.1.1 .. that was my main problem |
| [03:26:13] | wagnerrp: | it shouldnt have had any problem |
| [03:26:20] | Blaksmith: | since kernel 3.1.1 had nothing with v4l 1 .. only v4l2 |
| [03:26:34] | wagnerrp: | the V4L1/2 stuff has been fixed in both for months |
| [03:26:46] | Blaksmith: | and all my compiles complained about for every one .. /shrug/ .. |
| [03:27:04] | Blaksmith: | well, as long as this will fix it hehe ok, got the latest .. time to recompile I guess hehe |
| [03:27:06] | wagnerrp: | complained that it tested for v4l1 and couldnt access it? |
| [03:27:13] | wagnerrp: | or complained that it didnt work at all? |
| [03:27:20] | wagnerrp: | mythtv tries to use both interfaces |
| [03:27:29] | wagnerrp: | whether the kernel supports them or not |
| [03:27:35] | Blaksmith: | couldn't find ivtv nor v4l ... it compiled ok without it, but when I fired it up, it could not find my card |
| [03:27:35] | wagnerrp: | but it can use either |
| [03:28:43] | Blaksmith: | ok, so now.. for my ubuntu box.. looks like it is going to be out of date by 3 days .. has the 16th, and the latest git has the 19th (today) .. is it going to complain about the database, or is there a fresh update for that one somewhere too? |
| [03:29:08] | wagnerrp: | ubuntu makes new packages nightly |
| [03:29:15] | wagnerrp: | or daily |
| [03:29:24] | wagnerrp: | i guess it really depends on what part of the world youre in |
| [03:29:30] | Blaksmith: | yah, both things I got were today |
| [03:29:43] | Blaksmith: | heh.. yah, .. EST here |
| [03:32:29] | Blaksmith: | yah, I've been without my MythTV since Tuesday night ... when I tried to upgrade one thing for something totally unrelated to myth.. and things escalated to the point where I needed to just bite the bullet and strip the machine and start from scratch |
| [03:33:02] | Blaksmith: | myth stayed running the whole time .. it was the rest of the system that was fubar LOL |
| [03:41:10] | Blaksmith: | sweet .. looks like my ubuntu already has an update pushed .. updating that one while my backend compiles |
| [03:43:05] | iamlindoro: | You're running development code, you'll be needing to update daily |
| [03:43:12] | iamlindoro: | or not update at all |
| [03:43:26] | Blaksmith: | once it works, i'm going to be keeping it "as is" .. unless there is a bug |
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| [04:03:21] | Oleg_: | hi |
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| [04:06:12] | wagnerrp: | bye |
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| [04:19:53] | ** iamlindoro wonders how many more users can be weaned off of local storage when they learn the API doesn't support it, and thus neither will native streaming transcode ** | |
| [04:20:07] | iamlindoro: | s/local storage/local video storage/ |
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| [04:21:32] | Blaksmith: | ok, compiled... updating database |
| [04:21:40] | unlord: | does zap2it still provide free tv listings? |
| [04:21:45] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [04:21:51] | wagnerrp: | not for several years |
| [04:22:05] | ** Blaksmith has been a proud subscriber to zap2it (or schedulesdirect) for 3 years now :D ** | |
| [04:22:14] | iamlindoro: | They are, however, trivially inexpensive to license from a legit source run by the community |
| [04:22:45] | wagnerrp: | some commercial applications solved the "problem" of free guide data for us |
| [04:23:02] | wagnerrp: | by "solved", i mean they illegally accessed it, and caused the system to get shut down for the rest of us |
| [04:23:29] | wagnerrp: | but that was... mid 2007? |
| [04:23:45] | unlord: | well, this link came up when I searched: http://www.mythpvr.com/mythtv/tv-listings/zap2it.html |
| [04:23:55] | unlord: | might want to have someone take it down, or at the very least put a date on it |
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| [04:24:33] | wagnerrp: | alas, so many 3rd party mythtv sites are undated and outside our control |
| [04:25:23] | iamlindoro: | unlord: as wagnerrp alludes, that is not an official MythTV site |
| [04:25:30] | Blaksmith: | wow, LOTS of changes from 0.24 to 0.25 |
| [04:25:54] | wagnerrp: | that site has a pretty damaging howto for migrating systems as well |
| [04:26:27] | Blaksmith: | thanks iamlindoro and wagnerrp for your help |
| [04:26:29] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [04:26:41] | wagnerrp: | that reminds me, i should update |
| [04:26:44] | wagnerrp: | havent done so in a week |
| [04:31:10] | unlord: | okay, so I have a noob question, when are recordings deleted? |
| [04:32:02] | iamlindoro: | short answer, "depends." Long answer, "depeeeeeeeends." |
| [04:32:50] | iamlindoro: | Longest answer: When myth needs more space if you set your recordings to allow expire, never if you didn't, immediately if you delete them, or when myth needs space if you deleted them and enabled the "deleted" recording group |
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| [04:36:45] | unlord: | hmm, so if I've got digital TV can I use EIT? |
| [04:36:59] | wagnerrp: | you can... for what little good it will do |
| [04:37:14] | iamlindoro: | You can if you only want 12 hours of listings, and are only using an antenna and not cable |
| [04:37:17] | wagnerrp: | FCC only mandates 12 hours, most stations dont bother providing more than that |
| [04:37:35] | wagnerrp: | and then, they only are required to have the data streams for those 12 hours |
| [04:37:42] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt mean they have to provide meaningful data in them |
| [04:37:50] | iamlindoro: | And by "stations," that only includes local broadcast stations-- not cable channels |
| [04:38:14] | unlord: | I think all I have are broadcast stations |
| [04:38:33] | wagnerrp: | you think? |
| [04:38:36] | iamlindoro: | meaning you can get 12 hours of "unknown program" or "TBD" or "Drama Series" for ABC, NBC, CBS, or Fox |
| [04:38:45] | iamlindoro: | if you're on Verizon, you have quite a lot more than Broadcast |
| [04:38:47] | wagnerrp: | how do you not know whether you are connected to an antenna or a cable service? |
| [04:38:58] | unlord: | I am not on verizon |
| [04:39:06] | iamlindoro: | oh this guy again |
| [04:39:09] | unlord: | yah :) |
| [04:39:10] | iamlindoro: | well if you're on Comcast, same deal |
| [04:39:23] | iamlindoro: | so more or less, no, don't try to use EIT |
| [04:40:29] | iamlindoro: | Just pay the $25, which is insanely worth it, which also happens to go some way towards keeping this project alive |
| [04:40:58] | iamlindoro: | Not that the project gets any money, but since most of the devs are US based, and would stop working on the project without Schedules Direct, it's in every Myth user's best interest to keep SD alive |
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| [04:41:21] | wagnerrp: | well... and the more direct issue that theyre currently providing hosting for our servers |
| [04:41:29] | iamlindoro: | indeed |
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| [04:44:20] | unlord: | it just seems really strange to pay for listing information when its everywhere |
| [04:44:57] | wagnerrp: | and that everywhere you see it pays for it |
| [04:45:14] | iamlindoro: | It's everywhere supported of advertisements and protected by Terms of Service that don't allow you to have a full copy of it for your personal use |
| [04:46:22] | unlord: | but its totally artificial, don't they still publish tv listings in the newspaper? |
| [04:46:54] | wagnerrp: | youre free to develop a device to page through the newspaper, scan it, OCR it, and feed it into mythtv |
| [04:47:18] | iamlindoro: | unlord: Your newspaper is covered by copyright too |
| [04:47:31] | wagnerrp: | of course in my newspaper, theyve dropped from a full week of guide data, to just 4hrs of primetime per day |
| [04:48:11] | iamlindoro: | unlord: The information doesn't belong to you, nor is it free- someone pays an army of people to call all the stations, all the cable companies, all the networks, and to get all their data, then to format it in a consistent way, by region, by TV provider, by headend even |
| [04:48:29] | iamlindoro: | it's a vast amount of work, and they're the ones who do it-- so they get to decide what the terms of use for that data are |
| [04:49:52] | unlord: | call the companies? really? with the internet and digital content delivery, someone is calling the stations? |
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| [04:50:27] | prologic: | Has anyone tried writing a MythNetVision grabber for ABC iView? |
| [04:50:31] | unlord: | I can see that splitting it by region may take some setup, but tvguide.com has it and I'm alowed to read it there |
| [04:50:34] | iamlindoro: | Some stations need to be called, some need to be e-mailed, some return the listings as a word document, some return it as an excel spreadsheet, some return it as a text file, some return it with no or poorly written info, etc. etc. |
| [04:51:16] | iamlindoro: | unlord: "allowed to read it" only so long as you're reading it directly from their site, in a browser-- their terms of use explicitly forbid you from scraping the site, or using it not in a browser, and from doing a great number of other things |
| [04:51:26] | wagnerrp: | unlord: yes, tvguide allows you to read it, they dont allow you to run a robot to scrape the data |
| [04:51:39] | iamlindoro: | They make money by displaying advertisings, and thus your permission to view that data is only granted so long as you do so |
| [04:51:40] | wagnerrp: | meanwhile gemstar sells that same data to commercial concerns, like cable companies |
| [04:51:50] | wagnerrp: | tribune media services is no different |
| [04:51:58] | wagnerrp: | you can view the data directly on zap2it |
| [04:52:08] | wagnerrp: | or you can license the data in some other manner |
| [04:52:18] | wagnerrp: | we license it, microsoft licenses it, other companies license it |
| [04:55:51] | unlord: | the incentives just don't line up, if I know whats on TV I'll watch it and see all the commercials |
| [04:55:58] | unlord: | seems like an artifical market for tv listings |
| [04:56:48] | wagnerrp: | if the broadcast stations wanted to provide good data for two weeks or more, there is nothing preventing them |
| [04:57:11] | wagnerrp: | the data formats are all laid out very cleanly in the ATSC spec |
| [04:57:13] | unlord: | let me go see what EIT scanning gives me |
| [04:57:24] | wagnerrp: | but they dont, call them up and ask them why |
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| [05:01:28] | wagnerrp: | ok... in the DC area, we have WTTG, FOX affiliate, providing 12 hours of data |
| [05:02:12] | wagnerrp: | WJLA, ABC... woowee! two whole days of data |
| [05:02:26] | unlord: | wagnerrp: its better than the nothing I have now |
| [05:02:36] | wagnerrp: | WRC, NBC, 12 hours |
| [05:03:01] | wagnerrp: | WUSA, CBS, 24 hours |
| [05:03:43] | wagnerrp: | WFDC, Univision, 24 hours of ridiculous soap operas |
| [05:03:55] | unlord: | well, if I've got two decoder cards, it seems like it could just rescan every hour or so |
| [05:04:11] | wagnerrp: | WDCA, MyTV, 12 hours |
| [05:04:23] | wagnerrp: | im just rattling off how much data they provide |
| [05:04:30] | wagnerrp: | i dont know the quality of said data |
| [05:04:50] | wagnerrp: | they could all be titles, no subtitles, no plots, and generic data |
| [05:04:58] | wagnerrp: | the scheduler cant do much with that |
| [05:05:09] | wagnerrp: | it could just be a bunch of 30 minute 'Unknown' recordings |
| [05:06:13] | Blaksmith: | oh, if I didn't say it.. it is working great, as expected so far... seeing some different output from the backend, but no complaints on that.. seems a little more informational too .. I am seeing though, a few warning about that it is taking a long time to write to the drive.. should I be concerned with that? some are showing upto 3 seconds to write.. |
| [05:08:09] | wagnerrp: | PBS 12hrs, Daystar 12hrs, Telemundo 12hrs, another PBS 48hrs, Telefutura 24hrs, CW 12hrs, ION 72hrs |
| [05:08:31] | unlord: | hmm, there is no checkbox for Perform EIT scan |
| [05:08:32] | wagnerrp: | chances are good that WWPX ION out of Martinsburg is the only one that is going to have worthwhile guide data |
| [05:08:48] | wagnerrp: | i doubt there is going to be much of use out of anything providing 12 hours |
| [05:09:01] | wagnerrp: | EIT scans are not part of the channel scanner |
| [05:09:28] | wagnerrp: | you run the backend, and after the backend is idle for 5 minutes, it starts sweeping through your lineup for data |
| [05:10:31] | unlord: | oh hmm |
| [05:12:55] | unlord: | maybe I have no information then |
| [05:17:35] | unlord: | wagnerrp: I appreciate your help with this stuff |
| [05:18:03] | unlord: | is there a way to delete all channel info and try again, half of the channels I have it can't lock a signal |
| [05:18:18] | unlord: | for example 4_1 |
| [05:18:29] | wagnerrp: | delete the source, create a new one, and scan from scratch |
| [05:18:38] | unlord: | ok |
| [05:18:52] | unlord: | where did you get the list of channels I should have? |
| [05:19:08] | wagnerrp: | the one hours ago, or the one just now? |
| [05:20:18] | unlord: | the one from hours ago 15:13:38 <+wagnerrp> http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/lineup_w . . . neup_8306792 |
| [05:20:24] | unlord: | thanks |
| [05:21:16] | wagnerrp: | the one i was pulling the EIT information from just now was... http://www.rabbitears.info/market.php?mktid=11 |
| [05:22:29] | unlord: | I wonder if over the air would be better than this |
| [05:23:04] | wagnerrp: | plugged into the cable line, youre likely not to get any EIT, period |
| [05:23:18] | wagnerrp: | cable companies typically do not re-broadcast that information |
| [05:24:57] | unlord: | wagnerrp: do they change the channels they brodcast stuff on? |
| [05:25:15] | wagnerrp: | absolutely |
| [05:25:39] | wagnerrp: | ATSC has ~19.4Mbps per channel, QAM-256 has ~38.4Mbps per channel |
| [05:25:47] | wagnerrp: | so they mix and match stuff as they see fit |
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| [05:26:04] | unlord: | how does mythtv keep up with that? do I have to rescan all the time? |
| [05:26:15] | wagnerrp: | any time they shuffle channels around |
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| [05:28:41] | unlord: | so how do Tivo boxes handle all this? |
| [05:29:05] | wagnerrp: | older tivos dont, they only do analog and broadcast |
| [05:29:29] | wagnerrp: | newer tivos have cablecards, and get updates pushed to them through their out-of-band tuner |
| [05:29:50] | unlord: | does schedules direct somehow fix all this? |
| [05:30:01] | unlord: | or do I still have to rescan all the time? |
| [05:30:21] | wagnerrp: | schedules direct is not privy to the physical tuning information for each regional cable provider |
| [05:31:45] | unlord: | how does it map the schedule information to the actual channel then? |
| [05:31:56] | Blaksmith: | SD, to me it seems, is a database of the gathered information form each of the cable / OTA schedules, that will fill your database with the info that you set up for your account.. |
| [05:31:58] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt, you do |
| [05:32:21] | wagnerrp: | SD uses the cable company's single-digit ordering system |
| [05:32:28] | wagnerrp: | rather than the physical 2-digit system |
| [05:32:30] | Blaksmith: | SD is the best thing since sliced bread for me :D |
| [05:32:56] | wagnerrp: | if you use a cablecard tuner like a HDHR Prime, or DCR-2650, or even analog capture from a STB |
| [05:33:04] | wagnerrp: | you can use those cableco internal numbers directly |
| [05:33:22] | wagnerrp: | if instead you are using a non-cablecard digital tuner, you have to supply the XMLTV ID manually |
| [05:33:36] | wagnerrp: | so mythtv knows what physical channel matches up with what data coming in from SD |
| [05:34:26] | Blaksmith: | BLAH .. since I reinstalled, the first thing myth recorded, which should have been the news, was an Overtime game of football /sigh/.. |
| [05:35:45] | unlord: | wagnerrp: please don't tell me that the mapping from physical channel to cableco internal channel is also copyright |
| [05:36:04] | wagnerrp: | no, we simply dont have it |
| [05:36:36] | Blaksmith: | hmm, not sure if this is a bug, or what.. maybe I need to force it to re-fill the database... for the description of the news, it came up with "%"|SUBTITLE|" %%("|STARS|)%%DESCRIPTION^ |
| [05:36:38] | wagnerrp: | and no one has bothered setting up a user-sourced service to provide the mappings |
| [05:36:44] | Blaksmith: | err % at the end, not ^ |
| [05:40:49] | unlord: | wagnerrp: doesn't it seem like this is way more complicated than it needs to be |
| [05:41:20] | wagnerrp: | it could all be a whole lot easier |
| [05:41:59] | wagnerrp: | and to those desirable users with their highly restricted cable box DVRs, and tivos, and WMC boxes, it is |
| [05:41:59] | Blaksmith: | unlord, if you are talking about using SchedulesDirect to be able to schedule things, it is very simple, at least in my eyes.. once you get it set up, it is a piece of cake to schedule what you want to record |
| [05:42:17] | wagnerrp: | do realize that mythtv is at best ignored, and at worst unwanted |
| [05:42:36] | wagnerrp: | they dont care about us, so they dont care to make it easy for us |
| [05:42:40] | Blaksmith: | heh, I look at MythTV as my TiVO on Steroids! |
| [05:43:46] | unlord: | wagnerrp: maybe I have more than one problem here |
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| [06:39:17] | wagnerrp: | sphery: is mediafile.filename the full relative path? or is it just the basename, and the path has to be built from the dirid? |
| [06:39:47] | wagnerrp: | scratch that, it has to be the full path |
| [06:39:54] | wagnerrp: | since dirid would only reference the base folder |
| [06:53:17] | unlord: | wagnerrp: do I need to install lirc to get the remote working? |
| [06:53:31] | wagnerrp: | depends |
| [06:53:45] | wagnerrp: | some require lirc, some show up as keyboards |
| [06:54:08] | unlord: | I have this hauppauge-2250 card, and I'm running 3.0.6 |
| [06:55:11] | wagnerrp: | lack of text likely means no support... http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_W . . . ller_Support |
| [06:55:26] | unlord: | lol, guess so |
| [06:58:42] | wagnerrp: | if the card does get IR support, youll probably see it mentioned here... http://www.kernellabs.com/blog/ |
| [07:00:37] | wagnerrp: | sphery: is each streaminfo going to reference against multiple audioinfo/videoinfo entries? |
| [07:00:39] | unlord: | I found some kernel patches that claim to do it |
| [07:01:23] | wagnerrp: | it looks like its set up that way to allow a single stream to vary |
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| [07:12:51] | sphery: | wagnerrp: basename isn't necessary... not sure what you mean by ID for recordedfile... mediafile.filename would be relative to SG dirs, and dirid just references the "last seen on" directory... yes, there may (often) be multiple audio and/or video info associated with each streaminfo so we can catch where streams change |
| [07:13:17] | sphery: | haven't decided about progstart/starttime stuff |
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| [07:19:55] | unlord: | wagnerrp: okay, I have another question now |
| [07:20:18] | unlord: | does the hvr-2250 do analog channels too? |
| [07:30:01] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i mean a 'type' for recordedfile |
| [07:30:20] | wagnerrp: | rather than having to join mediafile and search for comment |
| [07:31:48] | wagnerrp: | something along the lines of... 'i want the ipod transcoding for X recording' |
| [07:33:03] | sphery: | ah, I see... downside of that would be we'd basically be duplicating the mediafile type/subtype/comment stuff (and, presumably, would need to do the same for videopart?)) |
| [07:33:43] | wagnerrp: | is that what the comment field is for? |
| [07:33:57] | sphery: | yeah, comment would allow user comments/descriptions |
| [07:34:49] | sphery: | hehe, seems the UnNamed on videofile is why I hadn't uploaded the new pic (meaning I was still mid-changes last time I stopped) |
| [07:36:25] | sphery: | anyway, gotta get to be 2 hrs ago. thanks for the feedback/info--I'll take care of basename, too, when I update it |
| [07:36:41] | sphery: | get to bed |
| [07:36:47] | sphery: | not mythtv backend |
| [07:37:12] | wagnerrp: | night |
| [07:53:50] | unlord: | cool, so I got a free 7 days of schedules direct |
| [07:53:59] | unlord: | and rescanning lets me now see 4–1 |
| [07:54:23] | wagnerrp: | technically 21 free days |
| [07:54:33] | wagnerrp: | you can connect to the service for 7 |
| [07:54:44] | wagnerrp: | and youve got another two weeks after that before you run out of data |
| [07:55:01] | unlord: | well, speaking of data, I don't see anything |
| [07:55:37] | unlord: | what keybinding gives me the current shows info? |
| [07:55:59] | wagnerrp: | 'i' |
| [07:56:18] | unlord: | all that shows me is the position |
| [07:56:27] | wagnerrp: | press it again |
| [07:56:30] | unlord: | I says Unknown |
| [07:56:38] | unlord: | yah, Unknown |
| [07:57:10] | wagnerrp: | then you likely need to match the XMLTV IDs with those on the schedules direct site |
| [07:57:17] | wagnerrp: | so mythtv knows what data to apply for it |
| [07:57:39] | unlord: | can I do that from the frontend? |
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| [07:58:34] | unlord: | interesting, exiting and coming back in picked up the name of this show |
| [07:58:56] | wagnerrp: | likely mythfilldatabase ran in the background and populated it |
| [07:59:05] | wagnerrp: | but you had some pre-cached version loaded in your frontend |
| [07:59:13] | wagnerrp: | exiting playback flushed the cache |
| [07:59:19] | unlord: | could be, I re-ran mythfilldatabase after I exited it |
| [07:59:26] | unlord: | all I get is the title, now show info |
| [08:00:09] | wagnerrp: | did you disable EIT? |
| [08:00:18] | unlord: | probably not |
| [08:00:21] | ** wagnerrp heads to bed ** | |
| [08:00:27] | unlord: | I replaced it with SchedulesDirect |
| [08:00:36] | unlord: | yah, I should sleep too |
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| [08:03:20] | unlord: | cool, the program guide shows the names now |
| [08:04:41] | unlord: | hmm, I think its just the EIT info |
| [08:04:46] | unlord: | I only have like 12 hours |
| [08:05:47] | unlord: | and its not for every channel |
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| [08:49:15] | johntramp: | i am reading the video from a capture card, so it appears as a /dev/video0 |
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| [14:50:42] | Blaksmith: | ok, not sure if this is a bug, or meant to come out this way .. in the scheduling of programs, there is no description .. that's fine, because it is the news I record every night.. but, after it is recorded, in the watch recordings, instead of being a blank description, it comes up with: %"|SUBTITLE|"%%(|STARS|)%%DESCRIPTION% |
| [14:51:26] | Blaksmith: | so, the possible bug would be: if there is a blank description, that after recording, it spits out what some would think is garbage |
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| [16:41:43] | FabriceMG: | wagnerrp, http://pastebin.com/VA0MLrgG |
| [16:43:47] | wagnerrp: | odd... what parameters are you calling MythLog with? |
| [16:44:05] | FabriceMG: | nothing |
| [16:44:22] | wagnerrp: | because __new__() is supposed to accept anything and everything |
| [16:45:06] | FabriceMG: | http://pastebin.com/pEx1NRtw |
| [16:49:39] | FabriceMG: | this warning appear for : |
| [16:49:43] | FabriceMG: | DB = MythDB() |
| [16:49:43] | FabriceMG: | BE = MythBE() |
| [16:52:02] | wagnerrp: | that code has been in there for a month, its just now causing problems? |
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| [16:52:47] | FabriceMG: | yep |
| [16:53:14] | FabriceMG: | i don't have this warning before |
| [17:12:22] | wagnerrp: | wait... thats just a warning, not an error |
| [17:12:32] | wagnerrp: | ignore it |
| [17:15:41] | FabriceMG: | yep, i do it, it's just for your information |
| [17:21:03] | wagnerrp: | well thats screwy |
| [17:21:09] | wagnerrp: | python 2.6 and 3.1 complain |
| [17:21:12] | wagnerrp: | python 2.7 does not |
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| [17:44:47] | toeb: | is it possible to set the guidegrid scrollbehavior to center? |
| [17:47:29] | toeb: | <scrollstyle>center</scrollstyle> does not work... |
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| [17:51:34] | wagnerrp: | likely better to ask in #mythtv-theming |
| [17:51:48] | wagnerrp: | not that you'll get an answer sooner, but that your question wont get lost in the noise |
| [17:54:53] | toeb: | ok, ill try it there |
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| [18:12:54] | redxine: | any one else notice missing thumbnails in the recording details for mythweb? |
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| [18:47:33] | iamlindoro: | fdshlfag8gyreatgfhgsdfogh |
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| [19:19:04] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: eh? |
| [19:19:18] | iamlindoro: | cluelessness |
| [19:19:22] | wagnerrp: | oh, MML stuff |
| [19:19:27] | iamlindoro: | yet again stuff from the docs |
| [19:19:32] | iamlindoro: | I truly give up |
| [19:19:41] | iamlindoro: | it's in the wiki page, with big ass full color screenshots |
| [19:20:07] | wagnerrp: | whats this about MML running nightly? |
| [19:20:14] | iamlindoro: | what about it? |
| [19:20:38] | wagnerrp: | does he not understand it runs during the recording, as a jobqueue task? |
| [19:20:45] | iamlindoro: | It runs both ways |
| [19:20:59] | iamlindoro: | it runs against recordings to pull in season and episode data, and runs nightly to do artwork |
| [19:21:07] | iamlindoro: | both need enabling on legacy setups |
| [19:21:15] | iamlindoro: | This is all in the docs |
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| [19:27:42] | unlord: | iamlindoro: is there a way to make a 720p channel stretch to 1080? |
| [19:28:39] | iamlindoro: | There's no way for it not to scale, unless you have badly broken video drivers |
| [19:29:05] | iamlindoro: | meaning if you're watching a 720p channel in the middle of black bars on all sides, you are using the wrong video drivers with MythTV |
| [19:31:09] | unlord: | I'm watching a 720p channel and its in the middle of black bars |
| [19:31:29] | iamlindoro: | then your X configuration is off or your graphics drivers are a problem |
| [19:31:31] | unlord: | some channels clearly scale |
| [19:32:06] | unlord: | I am x11-drivers/ati-drivers-11.8 |
| [19:32:36] | iamlindoro: | ATI is a problem, and using open source drivers for it is an even bigger problem |
| [19:32:57] | wagnerrp: | did you do something foolish, like revert to using Xshm for vidoe output? |
| [19:32:59] | iamlindoro: | Either replace with an nVidia card + nVidia binary drivers, or at least install the ATI proprietary drivers |
| [19:33:23] | iamlindoro: | and yeah, check that you didn't do what wagnerrp said |
| [19:33:27] | unlord: | these are the ati proprietary drivers |
| [19:33:40] | unlord: | wagnerrp: where would I check that? |
| [19:33:41] | iamlindoro: | ati prop are called fglrx, not ati-drivers |
| [19:34:01] | unlord: | fglrx 2865585 160 |
| [19:34:15] | unlord: | ati-drivers are the name of the gentoo package for proprietary drivers |
| [19:35:10] | iamlindoro: | then you've etierh broken your playback profile as wagnerrp stated, or the ATI drivers have yet anotehr bug |
| [19:35:15] | iamlindoro: | ATI is *very bad* for mythtv |
| [19:35:26] | unlord: | let me test for this Xshm thing |
| [19:36:04] | unlord: | the other problem is that some channels will hang the frontend |
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| [19:59:29] | rmsbl: | i compiled 6200ch.c, but it only works as root (so it's probably a permission-issue)... i'm on SL 6.1... does anyone know which file i need to change the permissions for? |
| [20:00:27] | rmsbl: | i don't have a /dev/raw1394 file |
| [20:01:33] | rmsbl: | ohh, /dev/fw? |
| [20:01:34] | rmsbl: | got it |
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