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| [00:02:28] | tripppy: | i like VIA's C3 range. |
| [00:02:53] | wagnerrp: | presumably not for anything video related |
| [00:04:00] | tripppy: | quiet! |
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| [00:04:14] | wagnerrp: | so is a normal desktop with a sufficiently large heatsink |
| [00:04:46] | tripppy: | ah mine didnt have such a big one |
| [00:04:51] | wagnerrp: | except the desktop can ramp up its clockspeed when not idling and actually do something worthwhile |
| [00:05:01] | tripppy: | altought it was only 1ghz equiv |
| [00:06:34] | wagnerrp: | the C3 chips could barely manage dvd playback without XvMC acceleration |
| [00:06:41] | wagnerrp: | which imposes all sorts of nasty restrictions |
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| [01:44:22] | antnash: | anyone got any experience with DVB-S? For some reason I can only find scrambled channels |
| [01:44:47] | wagnerrp: | it could be your provider only offers encrypted channels |
| [01:44:55] | antnash: | I'm in the UK |
| [01:45:03] | wagnerrp: | meaning you need a tuner with a CI slot, a CAM, and a smartcard |
| [01:45:12] | antnash: | There are numerous transponders with open channels |
| [01:45:20] | antnash: | Or at least there should be |
| [01:45:21] | wagnerrp: | sky requires their own boxes, but freesat should work fine |
| [01:45:36] | antnash: | Yeah, it's the freesat channels it's not picking up |
| [01:46:17] | antnash: | it can find LOADS of scrambled channels. |
| [01:46:58] | antnash: | This is at least progress from the rest of the day when I couldn't find any channels at all |
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| [01:48:51] | antnash: | Aha! I have some BBC channels |
| [01:49:57] | antnash: | So I have some BBC channels and radio |
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| [03:59:05] | Beirdo: | ugh |
| [04:09:16] | iamlindoro: | ? |
| [04:11:39] | Beirdo: | just the day from hell... to top off the week from hell |
| [04:11:40] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [04:12:18] | wagnerrp: | well of course this would be the week from hell, if today was the day from hell |
| [04:12:47] | Beirdo: | heh, I was on-call for the worst on-call week in over a year. |
| [04:12:48] | wagnerrp: | because today is the entirety of this week |
| [04:13:01] | Beirdo: | not the week to whick I refer :) |
| [04:13:35] | Beirdo: | Monday 9am – Monday 9am... and then the guy who's on call this week is on vacation until tomorrow |
| [04:13:49] | Beirdo: | so I'm covering untin tomorrow morning 6:30am |
| [04:14:04] | Beirdo: | until rather |
| [04:14:09] | Beirdo: | my fingers are rebelling |
| [04:14:20] | wagnerrp: | i thought we removed libmpeg2 as a potential playback decoder |
| [04:14:34] | Beirdo: | Umm, pretty sure we did |
| [04:14:45] | Beirdo: | it may still get linked in via ffmpeg somehow though |
| [04:14:49] | wagnerrp: | for 0.24 or 0.25? |
| [04:15:21] | Beirdo: | hmm, completely eradicated (other than MPEG2-MPEG2 transcode) in 0.25. Not sure for 0.24 |
| [04:15:43] | iamlindoro: | Think the removal as a playback profile option is master only |
| [04:16:47] | Beirdo: | Yeah, I think you're right |
| [04:17:56] | iamlindoro: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi7eJLIbvus |
| [04:18:01] | iamlindoro: | posted without comment |
| [04:19:54] | wagnerrp: | 'title says it all' |
| [04:20:03] | wagnerrp: | i seem to recall some user being berated for doing that |
| [04:20:03] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [04:20:27] | iamlindoro: | Heh |
| [04:20:28] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [04:20:35] | iamlindoro: | In this case I think it *does* actually say it all |
| [04:20:51] | Beirdo: | Yeah, I think that berating has happened before |
| [04:20:56] | Beirdo: | looks nice |
| [04:21:34] | iamlindoro: | That's a real HTTP Live Stream, segmented playback, playing off a web server, etc. |
| [04:21:45] | wagnerrp: | live... transcoded? |
| [04:22:35] | iamlindoro: | That demo is a teensy bit of a cheat as it was pretranscoded... but we do have someone with functional live transcode to H.264/WebM code right now |
| [04:22:45] | iamlindoro: | So it's coming. |
| [04:23:01] | iamlindoro: | Including control via the API |
| [04:23:57] | iamlindoro: | But until that gets committed in the hopefully near future, I can at least work on making playback work properly until then. Unfortunately, it only took me like an hour to make the player work, when I expected it to take days |
| [04:24:29] | wagnerrp: | oh for shame! |
| [04:24:48] | Beirdo: | *cough* cheater *cough* :) |
| [04:24:59] | Beirdo: | still, looks pretty slick |
| [04:25:02] | wagnerrp: | Across the Universe... Adventureland... Age of the Dragon... and yet no Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai? |
| [04:25:03] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [04:25:16] | wagnerrp: | Bubba Ho-tep... Bullitt.... still no Buckaroo Banzai? |
| [04:25:17] | iamlindoro: | Buckaroo banzai is in there |
| [04:25:42] | iamlindoro: | "The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the 8th Dimension" |
| [04:25:48] | wagnerrp: | Bruce Campbell and Steve McQueen need some Peter Weller love in there |
| [04:26:00] | ** iamlindoro snatches his geek card back from wagnerrp ** | |
| [04:26:08] | iamlindoro: | don't be mad because I name my videos correctly |
| [04:26:12] | wagnerrp: | hehe |
| [04:26:54] | wagnerrp: | i should have notices with A Christmas Story that it wasnt filtering pronouns in the sort |
| [04:26:58] | wagnerrp: | *noticed |
| [04:30:22] | iamlindoro: | Got native iOS VPN working with my BE last night, player with stuff from work and had good results... so all told, it's coming together |
| [04:30:39] | iamlindoro: | Wonder how much the freetards will flip if I sell the app for a few bucks ;) |
| [04:31:04] | [R]: | im flipping cuz you have an iOS device |
| [04:32:03] | iamlindoro: | iOS is a very well thought out OS, and you can't argue that it's the most appealling development target if I *do* charge a couple bucks for it |
| [04:32:27] | [R]: | you should charge |
| [04:32:30] | [R]: | theres nothing wrong with that |
| [04:32:31] | iamlindoro: | Not to mention it has the best development tools-- If I spent the same amount of effort learning Android development, it's doubtful I would be this far with the same investment of time |
| [04:33:23] | iamlindoro: | The data query and the UI is all abstracted enough that porting to iPhone shouldn't be too awful, either... purely a matter of putting together a new UI design and hooking it into the existing code |
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| [04:34:34] | wagnerrp: | but the aspect ratio is all wrong, look at all that letter boxing |
| [04:34:44] | wagnerrp: | with the Tab, you would have.... slightly less letter boxing |
| [04:35:05] | wagnerrp: | :P |
| [04:35:07] | iamlindoro: | The blue button in the top right corner switches it to fill mode... leterboxing solved ;) |
| [04:37:25] | wagnerrp: | is that crap overlayed at the bottom of the video not in the margin due to some iOS UI artifact? or just something you havent had a chance to correct? |
| [04:37:58] | wagnerrp: | seemed odd, because the top stuff is aligned with the edge of the screen rather than the video |
| [04:38:28] | iamlindoro: | The crap overlayed? |
| [04:38:33] | iamlindoro: | Those are the playback controls |
| [04:38:40] | wagnerrp: | pause, next, some circle thing |
| [04:38:41] | iamlindoro: | they fade after a couple seconds if you don't touch |
| [04:38:48] | iamlindoro: | 30 second skip back |
| [04:38:48] | wagnerrp: | so does the stuff at the top |
| [04:39:04] | iamlindoro: | right.. so it was a design decision, it's how playback on all iOS devices is |
| [04:39:20] | wagnerrp: | really? funky... |
| [04:39:47] | iamlindoro: | dunno, it's second nature to me, but I've never found it ugly or unintuitive |
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| [04:40:16] | wagnerrp: | ugly or unintuitive? no... just seems odd that they would intentionally not use that space at the bottom |
| [04:40:38] | wagnerrp: | less a 'bug' than a 'strangeness' |
| [04:40:39] | iamlindoro: | well, I suspect many videos take up that space too |
| [04:40:53] | iamlindoro: | I'm sure they focus grouped it to death to figure out the optimal place to put the controls |
| [04:41:11] | xris: | how do you queue up a playlist in mythvideo? |
| [04:41:21] | wagnerrp: | there are no playlists in mythvideo |
| [04:41:26] | wagnerrp: | however you can play a whole folder |
| [04:41:33] | xris: | ahh |
| [04:42:02] | xris: | wife has me re-ripping kid-related things so they play all together. |
| [04:42:38] | xris: | but then I lose out on meta data grabber stuff because it's random kid-show episodes bunched into a single dvd rip. |
| [04:42:50] | wagnerrp: | i guess they decided it could be confusing to have the edge of some video running through the middle of that transparent box? |
| [04:44:00] | xris: | iamlindoro: Beirdo mentioned you're working on an iOS app.. you know about testflightapp.com? |
| [04:44:24] | xris: | best thing ever if you're distributing beta builds to more than yourself. |
| [04:44:58] | iamlindoro: | xris: I have heard of it, but haven't used it/don't know too much about it |
| [04:45:18] | iamlindoro: | It does seem like a neat idea, though |
| [04:45:22] | xris: | been using it for work for a few weeks now. really slick. especially since I"m not the iOS dev. :) but mostly because my phone is tied to my home machine, not my work one. |
| [04:45:57] | xris: | and we can use it to distribute apps to non-techie folks like VPs. just get their udid and they only need to click a link in an email |
| [04:46:30] | iamlindoro: | yeah, maybe when I get closer to thinking it's ready for distribution I'll try it out |
| [04:46:31] | Oleg_: | will mythtv 0.25 be released before the year ends? |
| [04:46:43] | xris: | Oleg_: maybe? |
| [04:46:48] | wagnerrp: | we usually have 4–6 seeks of feature freeze |
| [04:46:58] | wagnerrp: | so... looking less and less likely daily |
| [04:46:58] | xris: | anyway, it's been a big help for us. figured I'd spread the word |
| [04:47:02] | iamlindoro: | as it is I still find a dozen things to do evey night when I work on it, so as that starts to peter out I'll be in a better position to get feedback/real world testing |
| [04:47:09] | iamlindoro: | xris: yeah, neat, thanks |
| [04:47:51] | xris: | we submitted our thing to the app store today. now if only the website was more than beta quality… need 2 more of me. |
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| [04:50:01] | Oleg_: | Look at my C++ code: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/508037 . Maybe one day I'll have enough knowledge of C++ to become a mythtv developer. |
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| [04:50:30] | [R]: | Oleg_: looks like C t ome |
| [04:50:33] | [R]: | to me* |
| [04:50:50] | Oleg_: | well, it contains the Standard C++ headers |
| [04:50:51] | [R]: | AWFULLY indented C |
| [04:51:50] | wagnerrp: | looks like some bad copy-pasting done with incorrectly configured auto-intending in Vim |
| [04:51:58] | Oleg_: | yeah |
| [04:52:16] | iamlindoro: | Oleg_: Um, no it doesn't |
| [04:52:21] | iamlindoro: | There are no C++ headers there |
| [04:52:29] | iamlindoro: | And no C++ code |
| [04:52:41] | wagnerrp: | just using the c++ preparser syntax for inclusion |
| [04:53:58] | wagnerrp: | well the iostream and cout stuff is c++, not c |
| [04:54:18] | iamlindoro: | cout isn't C++ |
| [04:54:41] | iamlindoro: | well, I guess it is |
| [04:55:07] | iamlindoro: | But only in the barest possible sense |
| [04:55:14] | [R]: | i took a c++ class once |
| [04:55:21] | [R]: | and got marked down cuz my code was mostly C |
| [04:55:26] | wagnerrp: | haha |
| [04:55:36] | [R]: | i dindt do the stupid fancy c++ casting |
| [04:55:43] | [R]: | and i didnt do a bunch of other nonsense |
| [04:56:37] | wagnerrp: | c++ has a different casting format? |
| [04:56:44] | wagnerrp: | not (type)variable? |
| [04:56:50] | [R]: | its got fancy casting |
| [04:57:15] | [R]: | pb = dynamic_cast<CBase*>(&d); // ok: derived-to-base |
| [04:57:26] | [R]: | CDerived * b = static_cast<CDerived*>(a); |
| [04:57:32] | [R]: | B * b = reinterpret_cast<B*>(a); |
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| [04:58:10] | wagnerrp: | if you dont /need/ those capabilities, why would you gunk up your code by using them? |
| [04:58:25] | [R]: | lol |
| [04:58:40] | wagnerrp: | to be honest, you should rarely be doing casting of any sort in c++ |
| [04:59:15] | wagnerrp: | since classes will automatically be cast between supported types without any special language |
| [04:59:55] | wagnerrp: | you shouldnt need to do casting besides bouncing back and forth from voids for use with legacy C functions |
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| [05:03:53] | wagnerrp: | Oleg_: basically, there are two ways to dev access |
| [05:04:18] | wagnerrp: | write a whole bunch of little patches and fixes to various tickets and other problems, that can be applied with little to no alteration |
| [05:04:46] | wagnerrp: | or rewrite a sufficiently large chunk of something that the devs want to merge it upstream, but dont want to maintain it themselves |
| [05:06:15] | Oleg_: | u think that writing little patches requires very little knowledge of C++? |
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| [05:08:19] | [R]: | i've written a few |
| [05:08:21] | [R]: | and i just fake it |
| [05:08:36] | wagnerrp: | in order to consistently write packages that can be applied directly, you would need proficiency in the language that the existing code is written in, and knowledge of the existing classes and macros of mythtv |
| [05:08:58] | wagnerrp: | that said, i took the latter route, and rewrote the python bindings |
| [05:09:15] | wagnerrp: | [R]: speaking of which, i should get that patch committed tonight |
| [05:09:32] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: might want to sanity check this one? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki?title=Optimizing_P . . . ;oldid=51985 |
| [05:09:37] | [R]: | excellent |
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| [05:11:25] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, holy crap. That line should just be removed. That's a horrible 'tweak' |
| [05:11:46] | ** wagnerrp has absolutely no idea if youre being serious or not ** | |
| [05:18:35] | xris: | I'd be able to answer that but I'm twice past the half life of my mysql optimization skills |
| [05:22:31] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, by default for each connection to the database, mysql allocates a 16k buffer and dynamically grows it as needed for larger queries. That tweak has it trying to allocate a 1 megabyte buffer. That's absurdly huge for a query |
| [05:23:00] | kormoc: | even our huge scheduler query isn't nearly 16k for normal folks |
| [05:23:12] | [R]: | absurdly huge? |
| [05:23:14] | [R]: | that's what she said |
| [05:23:43] | wagnerrp: | heh... |
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| [05:23:54] | wagnerrp: | well if you notice, it was edited down from an 8MB buffer |
| [05:24:11] | wagnerrp: | so its absurdly huge, down from ludicrously huge |
| [05:24:30] | [R]: | time for LUDICROUS SPEED |
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| [05:39:51] | xris: | hmm, mythbackend prompt to upgrade database happens in the background… it runs as a service. frontend exits without prompting. |
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| [06:01:37] | tripppy: | back again. |
| [06:05:21] | tripppy: | is PIP working? |
| [06:06:01] | [R]: | does soda taste good? |
| [06:06:25] | wagnerrp: | soda is awful, put some syrup in that garbage |
| [06:06:35] | [R]: | what? |
| [06:06:54] | ** wagnerrp doesnt understand how people choke down perrier, or pepsi ** | |
| [06:07:04] | [R]: | when i was in college |
| [06:07:07] | [R]: | i drank a liter o cola |
| [06:07:10] | [R]: | everyday |
| [06:07:34] | wagnerrp: | ok? |
| [06:07:52] | [R]: | you said you dont understand how people drink pepsi |
| [06:08:09] | wagnerrp: | what does cola have to do with pepsi? |
| [06:08:12] | wagnerrp: | cola is a generic name |
| [06:08:20] | iamlindoro: | One cheeseburger, it's for a cop |
| [06:08:20] | wagnerrp: | pepsi is ccrrraaappp! |
| [06:08:58] | wagnerrp: | but its not its fault, not everything can be scottish |
| [06:09:08] | [R]: | it was actually pepsi that i would drink |
| [06:09:14] | [R]: | but i was trying to quote the movie |
| [06:09:20] | [R]: | iamlindoro got it... |
| [06:09:34] | [R]: | but it was actualaly a liter |
| [06:09:45] | ** wagnerrp doesnt understand how you choked that stuff down ** | |
| [06:10:19] | [R]: | it was delicious |
| [06:10:21] | [R]: | still is |
| [06:10:28] | [R]: | i drink a 20oz at work for lnch evetryday |
| [06:10:36] | [R]: | but nowadays its coke zero |
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| [06:17:38] | tripppy: | does anyone know if PIP is working? |
| [06:18:01] | ** [R] thinks tripppy didnt get the hint earlier ** | |
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| [06:20:59] | tripppy: | [R]: probably cause im in australia. |
| [06:22:33] | [R]: | not really sure what that has to do with it |
| [06:22:52] | [R]: | tripppy: 'is pip working' is a pretty nonsencial question |
| [06:23:00] | [R]: | tripppy: just like 'does soda taste good?' |
| [06:23:17] | tripppy: | oh... is it currently working in 0.24? |
| [06:23:28] | [R]: | are you having a problem? |
| [06:23:33] | tripppy: | cant enable it? |
| [06:23:41] | tripppy: | V, ctrl v |
| [06:23:45] | tripppy: | does nothing |
| [06:23:45] | [R]: | "cant enable it" doesnt say anything |
| [06:23:51] | [R]: | there you go, now we are getting somewhere |
| [06:23:57] | [R]: | is that the correct keybinding? |
| [06:24:04] | tripppy: | yes |
| [06:24:11] | [R]: | how did you verify? |
| [06:24:34] | tripppy: | i can record two channels at same time, using mythweb, verified using frontend "edit keys" |
| [06:24:47] | tripppy: | 2 answers there |
| [06:26:16] | [R]: | and what if you do it through the menu after hitting m? |
| [06:26:50] | tripppy: | i cant find the option after hitting m, tryed all the menus |
| [06:27:10] | [R]: | hrm, weird |
| [06:27:58] | tripppy: | yeah. its been awhile since ive used mythtv and this is my first try at PIP |
| [06:29:36] | tripppy: | does something need to be done in mythtv-setup |
| [06:29:55] | [R]: | no |
| [06:30:16] | ** [R] doenst get the point of pip ** | |
| [06:31:04] | wagnerrp: | to be the steretypical whipping boy |
| [06:32:37] | [R]: | ? |
| [06:33:01] | wagnerrp: | south park |
| [06:33:15] | tripppy: | ahar |
| [06:33:17] | [R]: | rofl |
| [06:33:18] | tripppy: | now i get it |
| [06:34:05] | tripppy: | i can see i have 2 inputs... and can change between them. |
| [06:35:09] | [R]: | you still didn't explain the point of pip |
| [06:35:40] | tripppy: | pip, picture in picture, watching two shows at the same time |
| [06:35:49] | [R]: | how can you watch two shows at once |
| [06:35:52] | xris: | it's for people who like sports |
| [06:35:56] | tripppy: | sport in smaller window |
| [06:36:28] | wagnerrp: | record the sport, play it back later without the commercials, and timeouts, and replays, and delays of play, and... |
| [06:36:28] | [R]: | xris: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEVdca9U9LM |
| [06:36:29] | [R]: | like them? |
| [06:36:41] | tripppy: | eh |
| [06:36:47] | tripppy: | this is anoying. |
| [06:36:49] | tripppy: | ohwell |
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| [06:37:08] | xris: | [R]: possibly. hard to tell with no sound. :) |
| [06:37:29] | xris: | (headphones unplugged) |
| [06:37:58] | [R]: | oh its pretty funny |
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| [06:57:19] | wagnerrp: | [R]: for reference, you only need to mark one or the other as a blocker |
| [06:57:31] | [R]: | oh |
| [06:57:36] | [R]: | i was just being thorough! |
| [06:57:39] | [R]: | lol |
| [06:57:55] | wagnerrp: | such links are all internally reconciled prior to parsing |
| [06:58:21] | [R]: | i guess it makes sense that you only need to do it one way |
| [06:59:37] | wagnerrp: | SetRequires needs both directions, but SetBlocks only needs one |
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| [07:01:51] | wagnerrp: | Auto packing the repository for optimum performance. |
| [07:01:52] | wagnerrp: | wha? |
| [07:02:06] | [R]: | ? |
| [07:02:13] | wagnerrp: | git doing strange things |
| [07:02:25] | [R]: | linus torvalds is a strange person |
| [07:02:26] | [R]: | lol |
| [07:02:37] | wagnerrp: | some kind of periodic garbage collection routine |
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| [07:08:07] | wagnerrp: | [R]: any reason you bothered to check that --runplugin was empty? |
| [07:08:40] | [R]: | um... |
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| [07:09:11] | dekarl: | one of my DVB cards developed a tendency to go flaky just after minutes after restarting the system (cold / warm doesn't matter). I can just disconnect it from the video source until I figure that out to not spoil all the recordings, correct? |
| [07:09:14] | [R]: | incase you do --runplugin without specifying the plugin to run |
| [07:09:33] | dekarl: | of course it's the first card which records most of the stuff |
| [07:09:58] | wagnerrp: | [R]: if you do that, "" and "myth" would both be invalid plugins, and it would just error out |
| [07:10:01] | wagnerrp: | (i presume) |
| [07:10:07] | [R]: | probably |
| [07:10:23] | wagnerrp: | at least the way its set up here, it would ignore the input and continue loading normally |
| [07:10:44] | [R]: | thats waht i was going for |
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| [07:10:51] | [R]: | the jumpoint does the same thing |
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| [07:11:17] | wagnerrp: | id personally rather it terminate if you give it an empty name |
| [07:11:28] | wagnerrp: | any compelling reason not to? |
| [07:12:16] | [R]: | i guess not |
| [07:12:53] | wagnerrp: | i just see an empty name as much of an INVALID_CMDLINE as a bad name |
| [07:13:33] | [R]: | makes sense i guess |
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| [07:25:14] | wagnerrp: | [R]: do you have a github account? |
| [07:25:26] | [R]: | yes |
| [07:25:35] | wagnerrp: | same email address as used on trac? |
| [07:25:39] | [R]: | no |
| [07:25:50] | [R]: | androidrbox@gmail.com |
| [07:25:59] | wagnerrp: | well if you want credit, pm it ... or just list it in here |
| [07:26:15] | wagnerrp: | any preferred name? |
| [07:26:27] | [R]: | [R] or rbox |
| [07:26:47] | wagnerrp: | not squirrel? |
| [07:26:56] | [R]: | no, id ont really use that name anymore |
| [07:27:00] | [R]: | still use the email though |
| [07:35:07] | [R]: | why do aliens kiss the same way humans do |
| [07:35:10] | [R]: | that seems a bit ridiculous |
| [07:35:24] | wagnerrp: | they explained that in a ST:TNG episode |
| [07:35:56] | [R]: | haha, really? |
| [07:36:59] | wagnerrp: | most of the life in the galaxy was seeded by some ancient race with a common DNA markers |
| [07:37:19] | [R]: | that sounds more like stargate |
| [07:37:37] | wagnerrp: | and these common markers were a map to lead them back to some planet with answers |
| [07:38:23] | wagnerrp: | except there was some thing where the cardassians betrayed everyone else and stole the prize, but piquard was expecting it, and they got an empty box |
| [07:38:34] | wagnerrp: | while the klingons just watched in amusement |
| [07:38:37] | [R]: | lol |
| [07:38:54] | [R]: | i'd do a hot alien chick |
| [07:40:01] | wagnerrp: | but they openly mocked the concept in scifi that most intelligent life bears a strong resemblance to human |
| [07:40:38] | dekarl: | hmm, shall I file a bug for "mythtv-setup does not populate the lists with Arclight theme until you hit a key for steps 2. ,3. ,4. and 6. until you hit a key"? |
| [07:40:39] | wagnerrp: | "why is it this way, there must be a reason" |
| [07:40:55] | wagnerrp: | huh? |
| [07:40:56] | dekarl: | just noticed that on latest master, it works as expected with mythcenter-wide :( |
| [07:40:59] | wagnerrp: | the lists? |
| [07:41:31] | dekarl: | yeah, like "connections" it comes up with the "add new" and nothing else. once I hit a cursor key all expected connections appear |
| [07:41:57] | dekarl: | I only ever see the first item until repainting due to keypress |
| [07:42:44] | dekarl: | so on "2. cards" I only see "new card" but not "delete all cards from host", "delete all cards" or my specific cards |
| [07:44:47] | wagnerrp: | works for me |
| [07:44:49] | justinh: | dekarl: using the qt painter? |
| [07:45:04] | wagnerrp: | are you sitting slouched in your chair, using a TN LCD? |
| [07:45:05] | justinh: | it must be time to kill off the qt painter by now |
| [07:45:48] | dekarl: | justinh: OpenGL painter not recommended with this system's hardware/drivers. Falling back to Qt painter. |
| [07:46:03] | justinh: | bingo |
| [07:46:05] | dekarl: | it looks like. oh the joys of remote x11 |
| [07:46:07] | wagnerrp: | what hardware? virtualized? remote X? |
| [07:46:08] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [07:46:22] | wagnerrp: | dekarl: is it possible you simply dont see the text due to poor contrast on your monitor? |
| [07:46:44] | justinh: | yeah there are kind of irreconcilable bugs with some themes & the qt painter |
| [07:46:46] | dekarl: | wagnerrp: you mean like I can'T see it until I hit a key? |
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| [07:47:14] | wagnerrp: | like, when you hit a key, the items in that list change font color to one with higher contrast against the backgroud |
| [07:47:16] | justinh: | it's to do with the way dirty areas are worked out – offset positions in some themes really throw it off |
| [07:47:23] | ** dekarl falls of chair... ** | |
| [07:47:35] | justinh: | the gl painter doesn't have that – or didn't |
| [07:47:41] | wagnerrp: | when it starts out, its black text against dark gray background |
| [07:47:53] | wagnerrp: | when you press an arrow key, that text turns white |
| [07:48:00] | dekarl: | wagnerrp: who would have thought that... it's like you describe |
| [07:48:19] | wagnerrp: | Terra is light grey on light brown |
| [07:48:47] | dekarl: | I'll put it in the "the devs know its not working, don't do that then" bin. thanks |
| [07:48:48] | wagnerrp: | it could potentially be a bug in the initial color selection |
| [07:49:01] | wagnerrp: | depending on your definition of bug |
| [07:49:31] | wagnerrp: | id say its a bad thing that should be fixed |
| [07:50:14] | dekarl: | ahh, I have a hard time getting simpler user experience issues fixed... :( But I agree in principle |
| [07:50:19] | wagnerrp: | on the other hand, its something thats going to be scrapped in the not-long-term |
| [07:51:52] | wagnerrp: | well i would poke iamlindoro as to whether that would be worth a ticket |
| [07:52:06] | justinh: | it's hard to get simple user experience issues fixed when people can't agree on axing stupid old features |
| [07:52:19] | wagnerrp: | as he would be the one that would close it as invalid otherwise |
| [07:52:42] | ** wagnerrp is about to ax and stupid old feature ** | |
| [07:53:18] | dekarl: | justinh: I'm trying to get some red herrings fixed in mythtv, like #9990 or #9375 |
| [07:53:57] | wagnerrp: | wait, wouldnt that mean outright close them? |
| [07:54:30] | dekarl: | lol |
| [07:55:02] | justinh: | dekarl: I'm talking about some people's foolish (IMHO) adherence to the BAD OLD WAYS. Arrow key accelerators etc |
| [07:55:08] | wagnerrp: | (red herring being something imaginary) |
| [07:55:41] | justinh: | this is more of a pickled herring kind of issue. some people love pickled herrings (blech!) |
| [07:55:47] | dekarl: | wagnerrp: I'm trying to say "there are warnings that lead to nothing because they are false positives and just confused users when debugging their setups" |
| [07:56:04] | wagnerrp: | oh yeah... tons upon tons upon tons of those |
| [07:56:12] | justinh: | OMG! A WARNING! |
| [07:56:43] | wagnerrp: | "im getting error xxxxxx"... "is your system behaving improperly in any way"... "no"... "then why did you dig through the logs looking for errors?" |
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| [07:57:58] | dekarl: | hmm, looks like I'll take "I no one cares it's better to close them early" then :) |
| [07:59:39] | justinh: | listen, just because a ticket stays open for 10 years it doesn't necessarily mean nobody cares :P |
| [08:00:40] | justinh: | (it probably does, but then nobody round here is paid enough to care about things that don't affect them) |
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| [08:02:51] | dekarl: | justinh: exactly... and with the current amount of DVB-area-devs-spare-time it's kind of a catch-22 :( |
| [08:03:29] | justinh: | dekarl: a quicker fix might just be to bump the warning to a different verbose level |
| [08:04:09] | wagnerrp: | we definitely could use another dev that knows their way around the recorder code |
| [08:04:41] | justinh: | I've peeked at the DVB classes, but you sure wouldn't want me messing around in there :) |
| [08:05:13] | wagnerrp: | has anyone other than daniel poked around with them in recent history? |
| [08:05:45] | justinh: | been tempted many times to add more PID filtering so we could record *only* audio & video – not AD & subtitle streams as well – for those of us who don't need em |
| [08:05:57] | wagnerrp: | AD? |
| [08:06:01] | justinh: | audio desc. |
| [08:06:24] | wagnerrp: | well its not like that stuff pulls much in the way of bandwidth |
| [08:06:49] | justinh: | I dunno. do a lossless transcode which chucks those away & you can save a fair bit of room |
| [08:07:04] | wagnerrp: | id rather see such stream filtering happen during transcoding or some other batch task |
| [08:07:36] | wagnerrp: | ok, what did i do to make this thing not compile |
| [08:07:41] | justinh: | oh & one of the profiles even lets you record the interleaved MHEG too |
| [08:08:47] | ** wagnerrp rages against dyslexic programming ** | |
| [08:09:08] | wagnerrp: | why doesnt the compiler know that when i typed MainMythWindow, i really meant MythMainWindow |
| [08:09:16] | justinh: | heh |
| [08:09:26] | wagnerrp: | The Machine is out to get me |
| [08:09:37] | justinh: | I used to feel like that about ( and { |
| [08:09:38] | wagnerrp: | (the one /me was raging against) |
| [08:10:06] | justinh: | and all the code I got to compile but wouldn't actually *work* |
| [08:10:54] | justinh: | I was only ever just bashing a square peg, hammering it into a smaller round hole |
| [08:15:02] | wagnerrp: | bah! |
| [08:15:18] | dekarl: | It just made me sad when I saw someone coming around and diving into the recorders/steamhandlers and it ends in more then a year of "will you even consider a patch along these lines" "I can only say when the work is done" pingpong :( #8695 (not blaming iamli ndoro, at least he looked at the ticket) |
| [08:15:18] | dekarl: | And no, I don't have an easy solution. I got the same issue over in xmltv land where some parts of the code are looking for some tender and care. |
| [08:15:20] | wagnerrp: | ten minutes, im trying to figure out why this thing wont run |
| [08:15:24] | wagnerrp: | i never did 'make install' |
| [08:17:43] | justinh: | dekarl: look at the state of affairs with mythmusic. it's been 'being rewritten' for ages, nobody knows what's going on, what new features it'll have – some people (say they) want to help but don't want to step on anybody's toes – and it looks like 0.25 will be out with the same mythmusic |
| [08:18:20] | wagnerrp: | how did this machine get set to the 'classic' menu theme? |
| [08:19:06] | dekarl: | justinh: yeah mythmusic, thetvdb, duke nukem forever, etc. ;) |
| [08:19:28] | wagnerrp: | thetvdb? |
| [08:19:35] | justinh: | right now I'd probably just settle for a half-decent MPD client – or squeezeplayer – but I dunno if logitech's license is compatible |
| [08:20:33] | dekarl: | wagnerrp: there will be the new thetvdb where everything will be shiny and good... for quite some time now |
| [08:20:37] | justinh: | a client needn't be rocket science – lists of stuff are basically what most plugins are |
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| [08:26:06] | dekarl: | e.g. http://forums.thetvdb.com/viewtopic.php?p=5468#p5468 &nd ash; "Good idea. I'll plan something like this on the new site." (just the first hit on "the new site" I stumbled upon, not advocating that special feature) |
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| [08:29:13] | justinh: | oof. http://mulqueeny.wordpress.com/2011/11/14/my- . . . my-homework/ |
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| [08:31:47] | wagnerrp: | in other words, the only kid who actually did the assignment was the only one who couldnt manage a passing grade? |
| [08:32:46] | wagnerrp: | 'design and create a multimedia product' means show off some powerpoint tripe? |
| [08:33:49] | justinh: | that's basically all they teach at schools now |
| [08:39:39] | justinh: | mind, all we ever had was BASIC. If I'd have done my GCSE project in assembler I'd doubtless have failed too |
| [08:40:09] | sid3windr: | tf is sudo-multimedia |
| [08:40:27] | sid3windr: | did he mean pseudo, or is sudo a real word |
| [08:43:11] | Peitolm: | sudo is a real ord |
| [08:43:29] | wagnerrp: | no it isnt, it is a proper title for an application |
| [08:43:53] | styelz: | superuser do |
| [08:43:56] | styelz: | heh |
| [08:44:41] | ** Peitolm peers at wagnerrp, in what way is sudo not a word? ** | |
| [08:45:00] | wagnerrp: | in the same way London isnt a "word" |
| [08:45:06] | Peitolm: | yes it is |
| [08:45:13] | wagnerrp: | its not a dictionary term with any meaning besides a proper title |
| [08:45:20] | Peitolm: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word |
| [08:45:20] | wagnerrp: | it means "this application" |
| [08:46:02] | Peitolm: | the dictionary doesn't make this distinction |
| [08:46:16] | Peitolm: | we're not arguing what kind of word it is here, just if it is a word |
| [08:46:31] | Peitolm: | it's not a prefix or a suffix, it's a stand along element in a sentance |
| [08:46:33] | wagnerrp: | so i can spew any amount of gibberish and claim its a word? |
| [08:47:06] | Peitolm: | pretty much, as thre's no requirement for the word to make sense |
| [08:47:06] | wagnerrp: | "Most people opted to use powerpoint to create a sudo-multimedia product." |
| [08:47:16] | wagnerrp: | sudo is a proper title |
| [08:47:34] | wagnerrp: | it may be a word, but it is not an adjective that can be used to describe a type of multimedia product |
| [08:47:35] | Peitolm: | in that, it is a homonym, and it should have be pseudo |
| [08:47:43] | wagnerrp: | yes, pseudo is the correct term |
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| [08:47:46] | Peitolm: | but that wasn't the question :) |
| [08:47:46] | wagnerrp: | sudo means hes a wanker |
| [08:48:05] | Peitolm: | or that he doesn't know how to spell pseudo |
| [08:48:20] | wagnerrp: | to be honest, im not sure which scenario would be worse |
| [08:48:37] | Peitolm: | um, you know this is referring to a relatively young person? |
| [08:48:48] | Peitolm: | iirc, 16 years old |
| [08:49:07] | wagnerrp: | so? |
| [08:49:30] | Peitolm: | just making allowances, that's all |
| [08:49:57] | wagnerrp: | i could accept some dreg of society getting that wrong |
| [08:50:07] | Peitolm: | o.k. |
| [08:50:16] | wagnerrp: | but then i wouldnt accept that such a dreg of society would have used any blend of linux to know what 'sudo' is |
| [08:50:34] | wagnerrp: | this kid is supposed to be a 'bright young star' |
| [08:50:56] | wagnerrp: | someone who went through the Young Rewired State program |
| [08:50:58] | Peitolm: | wagnerrp: you seem to be a bit grumpier than usual this morning, shall we just forget it? |
| [08:52:28] | wagnerrp: | im just saying this kid is purported to be of above average intelligence, he should be held to a higher standard |
| [08:52:54] | wagnerrp: | and i would expect anyone in high school to know the word 'pseudo' |
| [08:53:08] | Peitolm: | really? |
| [08:53:51] | wagnerrp: | its not that difficult a term |
| [08:54:13] | wagnerrp: | i would expect it to be part of a 1500–2000 word vocabulary |
| [08:55:18] | Peitolm: | it's not, and if that is the term, then it was probably used correctly, just with the wrong spelling. (many nerds/geeks suffer from being brilliant in some 'academic' areas, whilst being far below their peers at others) |
| [08:56:03] | Peitolm: | I wouldn't know what the typical 1500–2000 word vocab would be, I could ask my wife, but she's a science teacher, not english. |
| [08:56:25] | justinh: | Peitolm: many UK schoolkids suffer from not being able to spell because they're frickin lazy. not some congenital brian defect |
| [08:56:36] | wagnerrp: | he knew the word, he knew the meaning |
| [08:56:47] | justinh: | and because we teach them that spelling 'isn't important' |
| [08:56:56] | wagnerrp: | so either hes making some lame joke with 'sudo', being a programmer |
| [08:57:15] | wagnerrp: | or he honestly thinks thats the correct spelling |
| [08:57:43] | Peitolm: | I would pull up a colleague on that error, but i'm not going to pull up someone who may still be at school about it. |
| [08:58:25] | justinh: | we have directors who can't even spell simple words properly |
| [08:58:28] | Peitolm: | most Uk schoolkids suffer beacause being seen to be intelligent has a stigma about it, only enforced by the inane TV that seems to be prevalent in the UK |
| [08:58:30] | justinh: | or use punctuation |
| [08:59:23] | justinh: | I was bullied to hell about being er.. the way I was. i.e. keen in lessons |
| [08:59:36] | Peitolm: | weren't we all? |
| [09:00:18] | justinh: | IMHO it's just resentment. they can see their own future |
| [09:00:26] | justinh: | what there is of it :D |
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| [09:00:41] | wagnerrp: | i dont think they thought that far ahead |
| [09:01:13] | wagnerrp: | if they had, they would have done something about it rather than skulking around the schoolyard |
| [09:01:33] | justinh: | I blame the parents too |
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| [09:03:04] | justinh: | teaching the kids? Oh, leave that up to the school. For everything |
| [09:03:34] | justinh: | I saw a clip of that 'only way is Essex' programme the other night. Jesus |
| [09:03:44] | wagnerrp: | the typical kid-with-no-chance |
| [09:04:25] | justinh: | this preened t*** (male) was talking to another preened t*** (female) about hair drying. He was convinced that because he was using a hair dryer it couldn't be called blow drying |
| [09:04:30] | justinh: | wagnerrp: no chance my ass |
| [09:05:03] | wagnerrp: | no chance, as in their parents never gave them the tools to have a chance |
| [09:05:24] | justinh: | tools? Like even a few minutes of their own time every day? Heh |
| [09:05:47] | wagnerrp: | tools, as in the slightest bit of vision or creative thought |
| [09:06:07] | justinh: | mind, you just have to see adverts for kids' toys to see where some parental thinking comes from |
| [09:06:24] | justinh: | how many ads for toys for young kids show the parents in the shot, playing *with* the child? |
| [09:06:55] | justinh: | Look! (kid presses button & something happens)... He's LEARNING... Awww |
| [09:07:19] | dekarl-too: | huh, arent schools and univerity purpose built devices to make people blindly obey instead of questioning stuff? At least I got my share of "bad marks because you didn't obey" and not really lots of appreciation of thinking after like the 3rd grade... But anyway the education and tests for tax advisers aren't any better |
| [09:07:36] | justinh: | yeah. he's learning that you'll feel less guilty about having time to yourself if you buy him expensive plastic junk |
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| [09:07:58] | wagnerrp: | dekarl-too: i always loved the points off in math for not showing work |
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| [09:08:36] | wagnerrp: | thats the right answer isnt it? yes, but you didnt show any work. sure i did, every bit of work i did, you see on that page. |
| [09:08:51] | wagnerrp: | teachers were hell when you could do math in your head |
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| [09:09:16] | dekarl-too: | wagnerrp: I had one teacher that let me off the hook when I left a test at half time point and scoring only 50%... just because I didn't turn the paper around and see the questions for the other 50% |
| [09:09:28] | wagnerrp: | haha |
| [09:09:57] | dekarl-too: | lucky me, could have been 49% on the first page and 51% on the second page, would have screwed my mark ;) |
| [09:10:46] | wagnerrp: | i actually got zero points for a problem i had correct with work once |
| [09:11:06] | ** justinh wonders if teachers in the UK need to have a degree in the subject they teach ** | |
| [09:11:06] | wagnerrp: | i wasnt paying attention when the stuff was covered in class |
| [09:11:19] | wagnerrp: | so i derived a completely alternate solution during the test |
| [09:11:42] | wagnerrp: | and even though the answer was right, and the work was right, i got no points because it was not the work she wanted |
| [09:12:23] | justinh: | I was told I was completely prodigious when I was like 6 or 7. maths, reading, you name it. we moved, I moved schools to a Church of England outfit.. and became chair throwing kid from hell. Because when I arrived they were only just learning to tie their own shoelaces |
| [09:13:10] | wagnerrp: | are you taught that before youre allowed to leave the house? |
| [09:13:14] | Peitolm: | justinh: theoretically, it's a degree in the subject(or field), and then it's a year of Post graduate teaching, then a probation year |
| [09:13:31] | wagnerrp: | s/are/arent/ |
| [09:13:44] | wagnerrp: | justinh: its a wonder these kids were potty trained |
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| [09:13:53] | Peitolm: | unless it's a private school, in which case the school can make their own rules |
| [09:13:54] | justinh: | wagnerrp: you'll laugh. some werent |
| [09:14:06] | Peitolm: | have we lost the ' button? |
| [09:14:14] | justinh: | and not just the stinky kid ;) |
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| [09:15:21] | wagnerrp: | the worst we had were the kids who didn't realize that you didn't have to drop everything at the urinal |
| [09:15:55] | wagnerrp: | most caught on right quick when they realized the snickers were directed at them |
| [09:15:59] | wagnerrp: | some took a bit longer |
| [09:19:36] | justinh: | anyway I don't think it's necessarily any worse now than it was when I was at school. there'll always be the kid who knows more than the teachers, even to as scary a level as in that article |
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| [09:27:15] | dekarl-too: | it's just that the teachers (who don't have enough time for each kid anyway) are not instructed to screen for these kids and report them off to some department/organisation who can bring them forward *before* the kids just retreat. |
| [09:28:10] | dekarl-too: | In the end the just let me sleep at school because it was hard enough for them when I jumped up from light sleep when they explained stuff really wrong to correct them... ;) |
| [09:28:39] | wagnerrp: | or the teachers are just man-hating dullards |
| [09:29:01] | wagnerrp: | we had some program called 'bookit' in grade school |
| [09:29:11] | wagnerrp: | you read, you get stuff based off how much you read |
| [09:29:45] | wagnerrp: | well a couple of us stopped caring about the stuff, since the stuff was just a crappy personal pizza at Pizza Hut |
| [09:29:50] | wagnerrp: | and turned it into a competition |
| [09:30:12] | wagnerrp: | the requirement was like 150 pages a month |
| [09:30:26] | wagnerrp: | and we quickly started ramping into the thousands |
| [09:30:57] | dekarl-too: | 1000 pages? that's like a weekend of reading (give or take) |
| [09:31:31] | wagnerrp: | i read something like 8500 pages one month (as a 3rd grader), only to turn it in and have the bitch say to my face that i was lying, and there was no possible way i could have read that much |
| [09:31:36] | dekarl-too: | The hard part is to find stuff that's interesting to read for each kid... |
| [09:31:43] | wagnerrp: | it was years before i touched another book |
| [09:32:11] | justinh: | I used to read *anything* – didn't matter what. I was veracious. I think that'd be the right word |
| [09:32:34] | Peitolm: | possibly, if you mean voracious |
| [09:33:04] | Peitolm: | veracious would be 'speaking or representing the truth' according to google |
| [09:33:05] | justinh: | ha |
| [09:33:23] | justinh: | work-related brain rot. I don't get to use *words* often |
| [09:33:34] | ** Peitolm smiles ** | |
| [09:34:57] | wagnerrp: | i really hated this teacher |
| [09:35:07] | wagnerrp: | detested even |
| [09:35:59] | dekarl-too: | wagnerrp: and did it have any consequences for her? At least a chat with your class teacher and her supervisor? Guess not... Our parents got charged with "defamation of a civil servant on duty" when we were in first grade, for asking the teacher to do his job.... But on the positive side we got a teacher to stop discriminating some pupils years laters with just such a talk |
| [09:35:59] | justinh: | it's bad enough trying to get my wife to stop annoying me using the wrong 'their' / 'there' / 'they're'. Gah |
| [09:36:58] | dekarl-too: | but in the end you get what you pay for... no money for education because we need to feed the managers and banksters ;) |
| [09:37:53] | wagnerrp: | my mom went in and chewed her out, but there were no meaningful consequences |
| [09:38:30] | wagnerrp: | i abandoned that school as quickly as possible |
| [09:41:11] | justinh: | I wish I'd reported being bullied by my English teacher. That bitch is still teaching |
| [09:46:23] | justinh: | she was on TV a while back – they got an ex-pupil, now allegedly famous actress to go back & have a go at being a teacher. they went to this teacher's house & it was like a shrine to David Duchovny |
| [09:49:49] | dekarl-too: | The worst that will happen is that they get to teach somewhere else :( |
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| [09:54:51] | justinh: | she appeared to have lost the plot in that TV thing |
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| [10:05:26] | Peitolm: | where do i report bugs in mythweb? |
| [10:06:37] | dekarl-too: | try http://code.mythtv.org/trac/newticket with Component: Plugins – Mythweb |
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| [10:22:19] | waxhead: | is there a way to find which tuner is no passing through a decent video stream? |
| [10:22:31] | waxhead: | it's creating havoc with the commercial flagging. |
| [10:24:04] | waxhead: | I had to replace the MB and power supply in this box too... so not sure if I've got a dud tuner card now either... :( |
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| [10:34:24] | dekarl-too: | waxhead: I enter livetv and switch inputs when want to check if my tuners work. (I gave them all unique names in the setup so I know which is which) |
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| [10:37:45] | waxhead: | dekarl, I've done that as well, and the seem fine, however recordings are proving to be a real problem |
| [10:38:10] | waxhead: | I'm wondering though, I've replaced the motherboard and CPU from an old 32 bit cpu to the 64bit i3..... |
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| [11:07:18] | justinh: | WTF does oneiric mean anyway? |
| [11:07:47] | sid3windr: | Of or relating to dreams or dreaming. |
| [11:07:52] | sid3windr: | don't you know that as a native speaker?! ;) |
| [11:07:56] | sid3windr: | (thanks to google) |
| [11:08:45] | justinh: | I dream of a distro which doesn't use silly whimsical codenames |
| [11:09:27] | justinh: | precise pangolin is next? Hahaha |
| [11:09:52] | justinh: | I blame Jobs for naming stuff after animals |
| [11:11:41] | laga: | use arch |
| [11:11:49] | sid3windr: | archaiclinux |
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| [11:23:09] | Snert-: | in which countries are ipods indigenous to? |
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| [11:28:56] | justinh: | er... whut? |
| [11:46:43] | Peitolm: | thanks dekarl |
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| [11:52:20] | antnash: | Alright guys |
| [11:52:38] | antnash: | I've got a qustion about the signal/noise bit. Is high or low good? |
| [11:53:10] | justinh: | depends |
| [11:53:26] | justinh: | generally you want the ratio of signal to noise to be HIGH |
| [11:53:43] | antnash: | I just didn't know which way round it would be. |
| [11:53:46] | justinh: | but that depends how the tuner driver is calculating it. it's not unheard of for things to be inverted |
| [11:54:08] | antnash: | Well today I'm a happy happy man |
| [11:54:35] | antnash: | FINALLY it's scanning and finding channels. |
| [11:54:51] | antnash: | Woot!!! |
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| [13:28:36] | dekarl-too: | ahh, back again, this webchat could at least signal when the connection drops on the floor |
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| [14:03:39] | antnash: | dekarl-too, still there? |
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| [14:15:53] | dekarl-too: | antnash, yes |
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| [14:17:25] | antnash: | Excellent! |
| [14:17:39] | antnash: | Know anything about getting mythtv set up in XBMC? |
| [14:18:52] | dekarl-too: | hmm, I've heard rumors that it actually is possible |
| [14:19:54] | dekarl-too: | does this not work? http://wiki.xbmc.org/?title=MythTV |
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| [14:27:39] | justinh: | you won't get any help for that here. MUHAHAHAHAHA |
| [14:30:26] | dekarl-too: | I don't quite understand what xbmc brings to the table now that we got cool metadata, fanart and a great internal player, too. (well, themers maybe ;) |
| [14:30:47] | justinh: | one big list (tm) |
| [14:31:18] | justinh: | UI animation & the ability to 'wow'. Allegedly |
| [14:32:39] | justinh: | given that even TVs have fluidly animated UIs I think it's about time to consider it |
| [14:35:38] | justinh: | I wouldn't be surprised if other frontends start to crop up when the API stuff takes hold |
| [14:40:00] | dekarl-too: | hmm, I like "one big list" in the iTunes sense (with smart playlists and a search over everything) for some usage scenarios. Andadding some |
| [14:40:24] | justinh: | yeah but not for every single thing you recorded |
| [14:40:27] | dekarl-too: | LUA scripting to the ui would sure be appreciated (having no idea how they do it over at xbmc) |
| [14:40:28] | justinh: | and not all the time |
| [14:40:35] | justinh: | LUA? |
| [14:40:45] | justinh: | and er.. scripting, in the UI? EEEEEEEEW |
| [14:40:57] | dekarl-too: | but it works in warcraft ! :) |
| [14:41:11] | justinh: | people do enough ass-backwards stuff in themes as it is |
| [14:41:52] | justinh: | XMBC stuff is procedural AFAIK. defined in XML. non-scripted I think |
| [14:43:02] | justinh: | I'd settle for smooth scrolling & some kind of gravity-based acceleration/deceleration |
| [14:43:15] | dekarl-too: | hmm,if that's enough, why not. (I was just tossing LUA out as that's what gets used for customizing missions and UIs in the game modding world, might make it easier to draw people in) |
| [14:43:36] | justinh: | there's not enough interest in the UI as it is |
| [14:43:47] | justinh: | and still way too little really high quality work |
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| [14:46:07] | dekarl-too: | hmm, the documentation is there http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythUI_Theme_Development and it even comes with pictures :) |
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| [14:54:57] | justinh: | yeah plenty of docs |
| [14:56:24] | justinh: | I'd have got nowhere with my current effort without those |
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| [15:11:15] | antnash: | dekarl-too, what XBMC brings is that my HTPC runs XBMC as an interface and that's it. I run OpenELEC on it. |
| [15:12:50] | justinh: | WTH is that? |
| [15:13:08] | justinh: | oh. Yet Another Distro |
| [15:13:24] | sid3windr: | OpenLOL |
| [15:13:55] | justinh: | "File sharing out of the box" ? What do they mean by that? |
| [15:14:22] | antnash: | justinh, if your HTPC is just for media, not web or anything else then OE is excellent |
| [15:14:57] | justinh: | I'll stick with what I've got, thanks |
| [15:14:59] | antnash: | Boots ridiculously fast (about 7 seconds from cold on mine) |
| [15:15:06] | justinh: | I don't need no steenkin XBMC |
| [15:15:28] | antnash: | lol |
| [15:15:52] | justinh: | I don't. until such time as they fix it to work *properly* with mythtv |
| [15:16:14] | justinh: | and for god's sakes get time compression in their playback |
| [15:16:33] | antnash: | Yeah, that really needs to be done |
| [15:17:00] | justinh: | and proper support for recording groups |
| [15:17:12] | justinh: | and scheduling :-) |
| [15:17:21] | justinh: | but apart from that it's perfect. LOL |
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| [15:17:42] | dekarl-too: | I need to time my diskless frontend's boot time |
| [15:18:29] | dekarl-too: | standard ltsp with a full mythbuntu install, boots in some seconds and shuts down even faster :) |
| [15:20:28] | justinh: | "OpenELEC includes only the required software, meaning it can boot extremely quickly". Er NO |
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| [15:21:12] | laga: | dekarl-too: you're welcome :) |
| [15:21:13] | justinh: | so which ubuntu flavour is openelec based on? |
| [15:21:54] | dekarl-too: | laga: ahh, you remind me that fixing the control panel for one-click-netboot setup is still broken :( |
| [15:22:11] | justinh: | heheheh thin end of the wedge. they've started pulling in tuner drivers |
| [15:22:21] | laga: | dekarl-too: :/ |
| [15:22:23] | justinh: | more kernel modules.. longer boot time |
| [15:23:23] | justinh: | default user is ROO |
| [15:23:23] | dekarl-too: | I've lately seen how long a modern TV takes to boot and I consider anything <30 seconds from cold to recording playing as way faster.. |
| [15:23:27] | justinh: | er 'root' |
| [15:23:54] | dekarl-too: | ahh, but it's not the superuser. that's just a decoy for the kids |
| [15:23:56] | justinh: | jesus.. such unwise practise |
| [15:24:01] | justinh: | even so |
| [15:24:09] | justinh: | so *is* there a superuser? |
| [15:24:10] | dekarl-too: | just guessing |
| [15:24:40] | justinh: | minimyth started out like this |
| [15:24:43] | justinh: | now look at it |
| [15:24:53] | justinh: | "oh, can you include the kitchen sink also?" |
| [15:28:00] | antnash: | justinh, OpenELEC isn't based on any distro. It's completely custom built. |
| [15:29:00] | justinh: | LFS-ish then |
| [15:29:15] | justinh: | it isn't really hard to do stuff like that |
| [15:29:26] | justinh: | nor is it really hard to get boot times down |
| [15:30:25] | antnash: | It's an alternative to stuff like XBMC-Live. And blows it apart. |
| [15:30:42] | antnash: | depending on what you're using the machine for. |
| [15:31:23] | justinh: | might grab that & adapt it for use with mythfrontend instead |
| [15:31:37] | justinh: | minimyth used to be ideal for me, but configuring it was a PITA |
| [15:31:56] | justinh: | you just got the hang of one config file regime & it changed on the next release |
| [15:31:58] | antnash: | Dude, that would be awesome. Then I'll just dual boot |
| [15:32:54] | justinh: | minimyth used to be pretty darn small |
| [15:33:01] | justinh: | like about 120MB all in |
| [15:33:01] | antnash: | And create a script for each to reboot to the other. |
| [15:33:09] | antnash: | same as OE then |
| [15:38:05] | antnash: | justinh, if you do make this then I'd be more than willing to test it for you. |
| [15:39:03] | justinh: | Oh god I wouldn't release it |
| [15:39:15] | justinh: | jesus. and what – have users get in touch for support etc? Hahaha |
| [15:39:28] | sid3windr: | lol |
| [15:39:32] | antnash: | lol |
| [15:39:47] | justinh: | if I did do it I might document how I did it, to allow others to do the same |
| [15:39:55] | justinh: | but beyond that. hehehehe |
| [15:40:11] | antnash: | I can understand that |
| [15:43:06] | justinh: | I got burnt bad enough being a theme author |
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| [15:46:31] | antnash: | Just having a look at LFS. Looks very interesting! |
| [15:48:09] | justinh: | time consuming as hell |
| [15:48:15] | justinh: | helps to have a fast system though :-) |
| [15:48:51] | justinh: | and a fast internet connection |
| [15:49:01] | justinh: | also helps if kernel.org etc are still online |
| [15:49:02] | sid3windr: | and a lot of spare time |
| [15:50:02] | antnash: | Spare time I have in abundance at the mo. This time of year my work winds down a hell of a lot. |
| [15:51:32] | dekarl-too: | hmm, so you're not going to rewrite minimyth on top of openelec? how mean! (and time saving ;) |
| [15:51:57] | dekarl-too: | antnash: have you had a look at minimyth already? |
| [15:54:55] | antnash: | No, not yet. I'll have a look now |
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| [16:08:14] | sphery: | FWIW, LFS is about the worst possible "distribution" to use for MythTV. |
| [16:08:29] | sphery: | The only saving grace is that at least with LFS, when things don't work, the user blames himself. |
| [16:09:48] | sphery: | There's another "faster because it's compiled specifically for your system" distro whose users prefer to blame MythTV when things don't work (even though it's almost always because they were flipping switches they shouldn't be flipping--all without having a clue what they're doing) |
| [16:10:24] | sphery: | if you notice, LFS doesn't even list how to build all the prerequisites for MythTV--nor does B(eyond)LFS |
| [16:11:44] | sphery: | Oh, and what you get from LFS isn't faster/leaner/... The only thing you can say is that you don't have to learn Debian or Red Hat or ... ways of doing things. |
| [16:12:47] | sphery: | anyway, just my $0.02 |
| [16:15:08] | antnash: | Think I'll try dual booting minimyth and OE |
| [16:15:46] | iamlindoro: | Heh, I just read all of the last 7 lines and thought to myself, "Hey, this guy knows what he's talking about, LFS is a horrible idea for almost everyone" without seeing it was sphery |
| [16:16:52] | sphery: | hehe, so without seeing my nick, I sound knowledgeable? ;) |
| [16:17:45] | sphery: | FWIW, LFS is a good thing--to do as an academic exercise if you want to know the general idea behind how things work at a low level (and to really study it versus just copy/pasting commands or running an A(utomated)LFS script) |
| [16:18:18] | antnash: | which would inteed be quite interesting |
| [16:19:52] | sphery: | ... just not something that should be done as a real distro. You can generally customize any distro as much as you want/need (even cleaning things up, etc) in significantly less time than it would take to do LFS. And with the other distros, you'd get the benefits of package management, package-based "knowledge" (i.e. such as the fact that the mythbuntu packagers work closely with MythTV developers to ensure they're installing and ... |
| [16:19:58] | sphery: | ... configuring MythTV correctly and taking advantage of changes to MythTV and ...) |
| [16:20:18] | sphery: | just have to learn the other distro well enough to customize it |
| [16:20:25] | iamlindoro: | sphery: until I see your nick ;) |
| [16:20:36] | sphery: | hehe |
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| [16:41:10] | antnash: | sphery, it seems as though mythweb has stopped me loading index.php files by default |
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| [16:42:40] | antnash: | Any idea how I fix that? |
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| [16:58:44] | sphery: | sounds like a misconfigured PHP/Apache-PHP-integration |
| [16:59:20] | sphery: | check the MythWeb README file for a quick "how to make PHP work on Apache", or if that isn't enough info, you'll likely need to search |
| [17:03:24] | MrPaco: | hi all people |
| [17:03:28] | MrPaco: | good afternoon |
| [17:04:03] | MrPaco: | what is the most easy way to watch contents from mythtv on the ipad or the iphone? |
| [17:14:48] | dekarl-too: | MrPaco: did you look at the wiki? there's lots of options. for simple export you might look at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Nuvexport#MP4_or_iPod |
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| [17:18:29] | MrPaco: | i`m reading the wiki, and the first option is plugplayer really? |
| [17:19:00] | sphery: | I'd guess first doesn't necessarily equate to best |
| [17:19:17] | sphery: | (meaning they're probably not ordered in any way other than just appearing wherever someone put them) |
| [17:19:48] | MrPaco: | i cant find another |
| [17:20:08] | MrPaco: | i want to play mythtv from ipad, not to use as a remote controller |
| [17:20:21] | MrPaco: | only watch recordings, not necesary live tv |
| [17:20:39] | ** iamlindoro has some good ideas about how to watch content on iOS ** | |
| [17:20:44] | sphery: | I think the primary approach is to transcode to an iThing-compatible container/CODEC and then play it back |
| [17:20:58] | MrPaco: | mythexport? |
| [17:21:26] | sphery: | well, the officially supported program would be nuvexport... mythexport is *buntu-supported |
| [17:21:41] | iamlindoro: | http://vimeo.com/32063038 cough cough |
| [17:21:42] | sphery: | (meaning I know nothing about it) |
| [17:21:45] | MrPaco: | nuvexport? ok, i go to read that |
| [17:22:17] | sphery: | iamlindoro: out of curiosity, that's still transcoding before streaming, right (just transcoding on the fly) |
| [17:22:29] | MrPaco: | companion feel good |
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| [17:22:56] | iamlindoro: | sphery: The example from last night is rigged, and pretranscoded-- the released app will do live transcode through the API |
| [17:22:57] | sphery: | I think all companions should be cubical--not slate-like |
| [17:23:30] | sphery: | iamlindoro: cool--just didn't know if you'd found a way around the "only certain containers/codecs" approach |
| [17:23:57] | iamlindoro: | Transcode API will support H.264/TS and VP8/WebM, and that's it-- so enough for 99% of all mobile devices |
| [17:24:24] | josha: | Does ffmpeg support gpu offloading for recoding yet? I haven't been able to find a straight answer. |
| [17:25:27] | sphery: | ttbomk, no |
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| [17:25:31] | sphery: | ttbomk, no one does, yet |
| [17:25:37] | sphery: | (in the *nix world, that is) |
| [17:26:01] | iamlindoro: | Why would you need GPU offload for recording? |
| [17:26:15] | josha: | *recoding — probably should have said transcoding |
| [17:26:25] | josha: | I am testing out the flash player of mythweb |
| [17:26:42] | josha: | And it is some amazing work. :) so kudos to developers on that. |
| [17:27:17] | josha: | It is just straining the backend server at 100% cpu constantly while playing one stream, so I wondered if I put a gpu card in the backend if it could offload to that to ease its load. |
| [17:27:39] | josha: | and its the ffmpeg process that I am assuming is transcoding the H264 stream into the flash player format |
| [17:32:32] | iamlindoro: | PleaseDon'tSayYourBackendIsAnAtomPleaseDon'tSayYourBackendIsAnAtomPleaseDon'tSay YourBackendIsAnAtom |
| [17:33:12] | sphery: | yeah, likely your only option in any near-term solution will be a better CPU |
| [17:33:43] | sphery: | even if you have a "real" CPU, real-time transcoding is a challenge |
| [17:34:03] | sphery: | so it needs to be a relatively modern real cpu |
| [17:34:24] | iamlindoro: | And given developments on the horizon, is likely to require real CPU since it'll probably replace existing flash streaming |
| [17:34:45] | iamlindoro: | But oh, the functionality :) |
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| [17:34:59] | sphery: | yay! die, flash, die! |
| [17:35:29] | iamlindoro: | Heh, we'll give up on flash only just barely after adobe did |
| [17:35:31] | iamlindoro: | sounds like us alright |
| [17:35:44] | sphery: | hehe |
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| [17:36:51] | sphery: | yeah, everyone keeps saying that it's great that Adobe gave up on Flash... but they're only stopping development of mobile Flash (which requires them to add hacks/workarounds/tweaks for every different ARM-based chip, and, therefore, is an unsustainable development model, so it's actually about the only thing they /can/ do) and still pushing Flash on desktop |
| [17:37:07] | iamlindoro: | sphery: It's all about perception, though |
| [17:37:25] | sphery: | and I know the content owners will /not/ be open to DRM-free distribution of their content, so... |
| [17:37:33] | iamlindoro: | if there's the notion that Adobe doesn't have confidence in it, it may spur adoption of other solutions-- granted, that may still not be HTML5 for DRM solutions |
| [17:37:39] | josha: | Yeah my backend is not an atom :P |
| [17:37:48] | sphery: | I see this as just meaning that, instead, you'll have to get an iOS or Android-specific app for accessing their stuff |
| [17:37:55] | josha: | It is a core2duo, nothing impressive but obviously its a lot to handle either way. |
| [17:37:56] | sphery: | likely a different app for each owner/distributor |
| [17:38:50] | sphery: | meaning it's just doing exactly what app stores set out to do--remove the "one web available to anyone using any browser" ideal that people seem to think "HTML5" will bring |
| [17:39:31] | sphery: | now you won't even have access to online video content (save the less-restricted stuff people are willing to put on YouTube, etc.) from a mobile device |
| [17:39:39] | sphery: | you'll instead only be able to get to it from an app |
| [17:39:58] | sphery: | josha: yeah, even for a C2D, real-time transcoding is a chore |
| [17:41:06] | sphery: | josha: future MythTV will allow you to "pre-transcode" things and keep the transcoded copy around, which will help (meaning you can expend electricity/CPU cycles before you actually want to watch), but as long as we require on-demand transcoding, it will require a pretty heft processor |
| [17:41:32] | sphery: | so, likely your best bet is to pre-transcode stuff and then copy it to a location that's accessible from the mobile device |
| [17:41:37] | josha: | Yeah that is what I figured. And yeah that was my thought I could hack something together to transcode it and use that instead but meh, for now ill live with it ;) |
| [17:42:27] | sphery: | or just watch the actual recorded content without performing a transcode to low-bitrate/low-quality/low-resolution video, by putting it on a capable system (laptop or mythfrontend system or ...) |
| [17:42:54] | dekarl-too: | josha: for simple export you might look at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Nuvexport#MP4_or_iPod |
| [17:43:02] | josha: | sphery: this is mainly just a test to see what it was capable of for now. the only time i may really use it is to stream it to my work office when i get bored :P |
| [17:43:11] | sphery: | hehe |
| [17:43:30] | josha: | in which case its only doing the transcoding for the bandwidth constraint |
| [17:44:38] | sphery: | I do a lot of traveling, and I just copy over whatever I want to watch onto my laptop HDD... Then, I'm not limited by bandwidth and can appreciate the full-quality recording (though on a smaller screen--15.6"--which doesn't really need the full resolution) and without wasting the electricity/power/money required to transcode it |
| [17:44:51] | josha: | For sure. |
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| [17:45:07] | sphery: | though that might not work well, depending on what you're allowed to bring into work |
| [17:45:37] | josha: | Haha, shrug I am the IT person, but yeah it isn't a huge deal, more something I was just curious if ffmpeg had that gpu support or not. |
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| [17:45:59] | josha: | I am using an acer revo with the nvidia ion chipset and was impressed at how well it does hd on the frontend. |
| [17:46:13] | josha: | I am relatively new to mythtv, switching over from sagetv :/ |
| [17:46:36] | iamlindoro: | welcome |
| [17:46:44] | iamlindoro: | We promise not to sell to Google |
| [17:46:48] | sphery: | hehe |
| [17:46:50] | josha: | thanks, and double thanks |
| [17:46:54] | josha: | sigh |
| [17:46:55] | sphery: | yeah, VDPAU is a wonderful thing |
| [17:46:59] | iamlindoro: | or if we do, we'll totally hold out for ponies for everyone |
| [17:47:26] | josha: | had 3 sagetv boxes which sucks now that they are useless paperweights. |
| [17:47:27] | sphery: | pshaw... I'm just holding out for $1M for myself--then I'll vote sell |
| [17:47:30] | josha: | but such is technology. |
| [17:47:52] | sphery: | yeah, do you know what Google's plan is with that? |
| [17:48:01] | sphery: | something with Google TV 3 or ? |
| [17:48:10] | josha: | rumors are that they are going to integrate the sagetv stuff into google tv |
| [17:48:23] | josha: | but there has been no word on what our hardware clients will be good for |
| [17:48:28] | sphery: | maybe since they realized they can't get TV from the web--since the networks all block their client--they decided they have to record it |
| [17:48:31] | josha: | my guess is, they are just going to dump them |
| [17:48:47] | josha: | and/or give you $10 off whatever their next box is |
| [17:49:06] | sphery: | well, it probably will have to die--after all, <Apple> "just cracked it" (the "smart" TV) |
| [17:49:21] | sphery: | yes, the same company that brought you AppleTV figured out how to do smart tv properly |
| [17:49:28] | josha: | hah |
| [17:49:36] | sphery: | this is what we learned in a certain biography just published |
| [17:50:32] | sphery: | and once Apple releases the iTV, people will pay 2–4x the value of the hardware to get that, then gladly fork of 30% of the cost of everything they view to Apple, just so they can have an iTV |
| [17:51:37] | sphery: | and the networks/producers/distributors will then say, "Wait, what? Apple is taking 30% off the top of all our sales? But our margins are only about 5% after advertising is factored in? What, Apple is doing the advertising, too?" |
| [17:52:06] | josha: | <-- apple stock owner. i dont mind. :P |
| [17:52:07] | sphery: | (the above being a work of fiction--but one that wouldn't surprise me, at all, if it were to become reality) |
| [17:52:10] | sphery: | hehe |
| [17:54:44] | josha: | ok, so a question ive been mulling over, and am thinking myth can do from what ive seen that sage couldnt... |
| [17:55:04] | josha: | if i have multiple tuners, one being broadcast and one being satellite |
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| [17:55:09] | josha: | for the channel sources |
| [17:55:27] | josha: | am i able to say that the broadcast should record my locals before the satellite tries to? |
| [17:55:53] | josha: | because in sage, if i recorded a local broadcast channel, it would take first available tuner (which ended up being our satellite) and then we couldnt record any other sat channels until it released. |
| [17:56:23] | sphery: | you just have to structure your capture cards and card inputs correctly |
| [17:56:56] | sphery: | the order in which you connect card inputs (Input Connections in mythtv-setup) determines the order in which inputs are used for recordings--and it will take the first available input from that order |
| [17:57:48] | josha: | sphery: ok cool |
| [17:57:54] | sphery: | the order in which you create capture cards (Capture Cards in mythtv-setup) determines the order in which Live TV will choose capture cards (not inputs--as you always start on the default input of the capture card for Live TV), assuming you select the "Avoid conflicts between Live TV and scheduled recordings" option |
| [17:58:03] | sphery: | and they don't have to be in the same order |
| [17:58:23] | josha: | so id want to try creating my local broadcast only stuff first |
| [17:58:28] | sphery: | oh, and /never/ use any (evil) input priorities or (generally bad) channel priorities |
| [17:58:35] | josha: | so if the channel we try recording isnt on that, it falls through |
| [17:58:46] | sphery: | you'd want to /connect/ your local-broadcast input first |
| [17:58:56] | josha: | sphery: ok makes sense |
| [17:59:04] | sphery: | you can create video sources in any order... just connect the local-broadcast input first |
| [17:59:08] | sphery: | (or inputs) |
| [17:59:39] | josha: | i ask because i hate paying $7–10/month for each satellite box, when half the time we watch broadcast anyways. ill just pick up an hdhr and use that for locals |
| [17:59:51] | sphery: | also, I highly recommend when you restructure things, you use "Delete all capture cards" (not "Delete all capture cards on <hostname>") and "Delete all video sources" to do it and reset the numbering to make it easier to manage and maintain |
| [18:00:19] | josha: | ok cool, will keep that in mind too |
| [18:00:39] | sphery: | yeah, when you get it, just "Delete all capture cards", then re-create capture cards (in inverse Live TV order), then connect Inputs (in preferred recordings order) |
| [18:00:59] | sphery: | (and you'd need to create a new Video Source for the OTA channels, if you didn't already have one) |
| [18:01:07] | josha: | yeah |
| [18:01:09] | sphery: | that would come before connecting inputs |
| [18:02:11] | josha: | cool cool. thanks for the help sphery |
| [18:02:22] | sphery: | enjoy |
| [18:02:32] | josha: | ive been rather impressed with everything so far. my biggest issue in getting started has been the remote connection :x |
| [18:02:55] | josha: | lirc and stuff is all new to me so ive been struggling a little bit at a time with it |
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| [18:13:06] | sphery: | yeah, for the most part, it's the external stuff that's the biggest challenge with getting mythtv working--lirc, mysql, capture cards/drivers, audio (ALSA and/or Pulse), ... |
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| [18:36:34] | antnash: | sphery, any idea how I know which minimyth build I need? |
| [18:38:13] | sphery: | no, sorry--I don't know my minimyth |
| [18:40:44] | antnash: | fair enough# |
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| [18:47:57] | wizbit: | as soon as i put mythtv frontend into opengl mode, the screen covers with artefacts, could this be a sign of a damaged gfx card? |
| [18:49:00] | wagnerrp: | what graphics card? |
| [18:49:23] | wizbit: | PCI Nvidia 6200 |
| [18:49:28] | wizbit: | Jaton |
| [18:49:41] | wagnerrp: | the menu or playback in opengl mode? |
| [18:49:46] | wizbit: | the menu |
| [18:50:01] | wagnerrp: | should have plenty of power for the menu |
| [18:50:11] | wagnerrp: | is it slow or just artifacty? |
| [18:50:33] | sphery: | most likely explanation is a broken driver install |
| [18:50:49] | sphery: | i.e. reinstall nvidia drivers (force reinstall if required) and should work fine |
| [18:50:57] | sphery: | (and use nvidia proprietary drivers) |
| [18:51:22] | wizbit: | my frontend is cold, opengl mode works without artefacts, although i dont see many fades and its sluggish |
| [18:51:37] | wizbit: | maybe its a heat problem |
| [18:51:39] | sphery: | yep, sounds like software opengl |
| [18:51:48] | sphery: | which means broken nvidia driver install |
| [18:52:29] | wizbit: | 57 C and its working |
| [18:52:51] | wizbit: | very sluggish |
| [18:52:53] | wizbit: | is that normal |
| [18:53:03] | sphery: | normal for software/cpu opengl |
| [18:53:10] | sphery: | not for gpu opengl |
| [18:53:12] | wagnerrp: | you just said opengl mode had artifacts, and then had no artifacts |
| [18:53:14] | sphery: | meaning, fix your drivers |
| [18:53:20] | wagnerrp: | which is it? |
| [18:53:32] | wizbit: | it did last night, my card is cold now its ok |
| [18:53:37] | wizbit: | when it heats up they might come back |
| [18:53:50] | wizbit: | im running latest nvidia driver and kernel module |
| [18:53:59] | ** sphery can't stress enough how useful it would be to re-install the nvidia drivers, as he's mentioned ** | |
| [18:54:01] | wizbit: | from a fresh slackware install and mythtv has been compiled fresh |
| [18:54:06] | sphery: | 11.15 13:50:33 <+sphery> most likely explanation is a broken driver install |
| [18:54:09] | sphery: | 11.15 13:50:48 <+sphery> i.e. reinstall nvidia drivers (force reinstall if required) and should work fine |
| [18:54:10] | wizbit: | ok |
| [18:54:15] | wizbit: | ill re-compile the nvidia drivers |
| [18:54:38] | sphery: | are you using a package manager or nvidia driver installer? |
| [18:54:53] | sphery: | either should work, I'm just curious |
| [18:55:00] | wizbit: | sbopkg, slackbuild |
| [18:55:13] | wizbit: | http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.37/system/nvidia-kernel/ |
| [18:55:22] | wizbit: | http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.37/system/nvidia-driver/ |
| [18:55:26] | sphery: | either should work* (*provided the package is functional) |
| [18:55:57] | sphery: | I'm not sure how good the slack package is, but at least the *buntu and Fedora packages work (but may require re-install a time or 2) |
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| [19:13:56] | antnash: | Hi again sphery. Question. I've just uninstalled mythtv to check if tvheadend works with xbmc. After uninstalling I tried running a scan with dvb-apps and it seems as though uninstalling myth has caused something to get uninstalled to that I now can't scan any channels |
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| [19:33:12] | jpabq_: | taylorr: Do you use 24p frame rate with your bluray playback in Myth? I have it "working" but a/v sync is pretty bad. If I leave playback at 60p then a/v sync is fine. <-- At least that is the way it was last time I tried it a few months ago. |
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| [19:36:53] | sphery: | wagnerrp: didn't you have some info on http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10165 ? |
| [19:37:15] | sphery: | i.e. is it a bug or a feature? |
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| [19:37:35] | Aeth: | What's the best hardware solution for someone who has cable in the US and thus needs a settop box? |
| [19:38:04] | wagnerrp: | this is an issue with the freebsd networking interface |
| [19:38:13] | wagnerrp: | slightly different from the linux networking interface |
| [19:38:27] | wagnerrp: | i dont know why he would be seeing it on arch |
| [19:38:40] | wagnerrp: | Aeth: what cable provider? |
| [19:39:54] | sphery: | antnash: not sure what could have caused that |
| [19:40:10] | antnash: | does seem strange |
| [19:40:26] | sphery: | might want to ask in a distro-specific channel (since they'd likely know what each package entails) |
| [19:40:58] | sphery: | Aeth: see, also, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable |
| [19:41:07] | Aeth: | wagnerrp: Comcast |
| [19:41:22] | wagnerrp: | Aeth: buy a HDHomeRun Prime, rent a cablecard |
| [19:41:28] | wagnerrp: | ditch the set top box |
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| [19:41:48] | sphery: | and hope that Comcast doesn't change their policy on ICT |
| [19:42:10] | iamlindoro: | s/ICT/CCI/ |
| [19:42:22] | sphery: | ah, whatever |
| [19:42:27] | sphery: | TLA |
| [19:44:13] | wizbit: | the great thing about having diskless frontend clients, the data can still be backed up, even when the frontends are sleep or off :D |
| [19:46:08] | taylorr: | jpabq_: no, I only use 60p display rate |
| [19:46:24] | taylorr: | I don't care about judder because I don't notice it at all |
| [19:46:39] | sphery: | wagnerrp: did you look into the segfault [R] had mentioned on #10135? The one Tom Lichti is now mentioning on -dev list? |
| [19:47:04] | wagnerrp: | i didnt know [R] had mentioned any such |
| [19:47:19] | wagnerrp: | i tested it on a couple of jump points and plugins, seemed to work fine for me |
| [19:47:21] | sphery: | yeah, he probably should have mentioned it in the actual ticket |
| [19:47:24] | wagnerrp: | i will test the pbb specifically |
| [19:47:35] | sphery: | it only happens with some jump points... |
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| [19:50:03] | sphery: | wagnerrp: may be related to the pop argument |
| [19:50:22] | wagnerrp: | pop? |
| [19:50:34] | sphery: | I also have a feeling that the pop = false he's using will cause exit to not work properly |
| [19:50:41] | sphery: | pop windows off the stack |
| [19:50:57] | sphery: | void JumpTo(const QString &destination, bool pop = true); |
| [19:51:07] | sphery: | he's using false... true may fix it |
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| [19:54:45] | wagnerrp: | i cant seem to reproduce it with anything other than that specific jumppoint |
| [19:55:46] | sphery: | I don't remember which ones he saw it with, but if we fix the one, it will likely fix all of them |
| [19:57:32] | skd5aner: | Would anyone be willing to assign this ticket to someone, or perhaps even give it a milestone? It's pretty much something that happens 50% of the time I start live TV anymore – http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9845 – janne used to own it, but I think beirdo removed him but it still shows as assigned to no one. |
| [19:57:54] | sphery: | assigned doesn't mean anyone will actually work on it |
| [19:58:08] | skd5aner: | I just don't want it to fall through the cracks completely because it shows up as assigned |
| [19:58:15] | skd5aner: | I'd rather have it set to new if nothing else |
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| [20:01:30] | sphery: | skd5aner: you have start in guide set, right? |
| [20:01:37] | skd5aner: | yes |
| [20:01:49] | sphery: | please do me a favor and disable that and see if the segfaults stop |
| [20:02:09] | skd5aner: | k – give me like a week or so to report back to see enough of a usage pattern |
| [20:02:23] | sphery: | ok, if it does cause it to stop, please update the ticket |
| [20:02:31] | skd5aner: | 10–4 thx |
| [20:02:38] | iamlindoro: | But it happens 50% of the time ;) Don't you just need to start TV twice? |
| [20:03:04] | skd5aner: | heh – sometimes it's 90% of the time, sometimes it's 10% of the time... I took a general average |
| [20:03:09] | skd5aner: | :) |
| [20:03:17] | sphery: | but what's the median? |
| [20:03:20] | iamlindoro: | Cool, so start it ten times and we'll be all set |
| [20:03:22] | iamlindoro: | I'll wait ;) |
| [20:03:53] | skd5aner: | I |
| [20:04:02] | skd5aner: | I'll try and report mean, median, and mode for you |
| [20:04:35] | sphery: | I thought the mode of failure was a segfault? ;) |
| [20:04:58] | sphery: | Welcome to #mythtv-harrassment channel... |
| [20:06:11] | Beirdo: | and standard deviation... don't forget that |
| [20:06:13] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [20:07:04] | skd5aner: | Live TV launching does not approach greater than a single sigma in reliability... |
| [20:07:32] | ** sphery should finish some paperwork so he can do some mythtv coding in the next couple weeks ** | |
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| [20:08:22] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: Live Tv doesn't approach that level of priority either |
| [20:08:35] | skd5aner: | <touche!> |
| [20:08:37] | iamlindoro: | Wake me when something important breaks ;) |
| [20:09:02] | iamlindoro: | You'd think after the years of war about Live Tv, someone from the peanut gallery who cares about it would eventually step up and provide some actual patches |
| [20:09:14] | iamlindoro: | Maybe we're just not being obnoxious enough about it :) |
| [20:09:43] | skd5aner: | honestly – I just hate segfaults... it just so happens, that this one is around live tv... I try to report segfaults wherever I come across them, I just know this one resides in a place that doesn't really sit high in the priority list |
| [20:11:04] | skd5aner: | not that I'm arguing it should – just that I thought the ticket was a bit wonky and might be overlooked because it shows as assigned to NULL |
| [20:11:17] | dekarl: | does your OS of choice come with minitstat? http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=ministat&sektion=1 ;) |
| [20:11:18] | skd5aner: | and it's highly repeatable for me |
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| [21:08:26] | skd5aner: | sphery: turned off the guide, so far no segfaults in some limited testing |
| [21:08:58] | iamlindoro: | Another happy customer! ;) |
| [21:09:03] | skd5aner: | will let you know more when it's had an opportunity to be put through it's paces – I'm not sure what "triggers" a segfault and what doesnt... sometimes it would start no problems, others it would fail time after time |
| [21:10:04] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: always happy to learn of a workaround – especially ones that aren't really that impactful to the user experience |
| [21:12:42] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: stumbled on your iPad project the other day... very nice |
| [21:13:13] | iamlindoro: | thanks, it should be pretty slick when it's done-- girlfriend, who has never figured out the myth system, is using it without any instruction, so that's hopeful |
| [21:13:41] | skd5aner: | family always makes for good user acceptance testing |
| [21:13:49] | skd5aner: | (or significant others) |
| [21:14:10] | skd5aner: | I don't have any iOS devices, but happy to see someone putting the effort in |
| [21:14:36] | skd5aner: | I've got a touchpad and a few android devices – have you see the mythtv app for WebOS? |
| [21:14:56] | skd5aner: | http://code.google.com/p/webmyth2/ |
| [21:15:13] | iamlindoro: | No, haven't seen the WebOS one-- I developed most of the iPad app on the simulator-- I only got the actual hardware a few weeks ago |
| [21:15:38] | skd5aner: | It's actually pretty nice for what it is, not that it leverages the API or anything, but the UI is pretty nice |
| [21:16:05] | iamlindoro: | Part of what I feel sets my app apart is that is speaks the API natively, and will support a lot of stuff nothing else does, and requires absolutely zero configuration |
| [21:16:10] | iamlindoro: | Any screenshots of the WebOS one? |
| [21:16:34] | skd5aner: | yea, found some via google search here – http://www.precentral.net/interfacelift-updat . . . hpad-version |
| [21:16:38] | skd5aner: | bottom of the entry |
| [21:17:24] | skd5aner: | here too i suppose – https://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packa . . . man.webmyth2 |
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| [21:18:15] | iamlindoro: | I can't say the interface is for me, it sort of looks like a web page, but cool all the same |
| [21:18:50] | skd5aner: | yea – not perfect – but very usable – more than I thought it might have been since it was created before the API was.. |
| [21:19:55] | skd5aner: | I just thought it was cool that someone gave it a go |
| [21:20:33] | iamlindoro: | yeah, sure |
| [21:20:35] | skd5aner: | the guy who created it doesn't appear on the ML too often... people that do these third-party activities that aren't an active member of the ML or IRC always surprise me... |
| [21:20:43] | iamlindoro: | I think the API will open up the door for a ton of cool stuff |
| [21:20:45] | skd5aner: | good to know they exist |
| [21:21:13] | skd5aner: | yea – I'm doing a lot of research right now at work around APIs – particularly around API design and best practices |
| [21:21:38] | skd5aner: | it's a fun world to explore, it's definitely new frontier for me |
| [21:22:07] | skd5aner: | so it's cool to look at how MythTV's API is coming about and the posibilitis is could open up |
| [21:22:37] | skd5aner: | I can appreciate the POC type of work that you're doing that gives people a perspective on the possibilities |
| [21:22:59] | iamlindoro: | Oh, so it's POC is it ;) |
| [21:23:11] | skd5aner: | well – referring to some of your videos you posted |
| [21:30:12] | dekarl: | antnash, justinh, laga: I promised to look at how long it takes to cold netboot mythbuntu ltsp until the recording is playing (audio+video)... it's 62 seconds on average http://paste.ubuntu.com/739651/ that's standard ltsp on mythbuntu 11.04 with latest master using full metadata and fanart on arclight on a slow atom/ion client |
| [21:32:36] | justinh: | 62 seconds? Yikes. My frontend boots in about 30s |
| [21:33:05] | dekarl: | lesson learned... there's no life on Pollux V, captain |
| [21:33:21] | dekarl: | did you optimize anything? |
| [21:33:31] | justinh: | dekarl: doubtless you could mess about with the boot process some |
| [21:33:56] | justinh: | dekarl: I used to, but since I put a disk in there it's just stock ubuntu. Ish |
| [21:34:07] | justinh: | or is it mythbuntu? I can't remember now |
| [21:34:23] | justinh: | mythbuntu-ish I think |
| [21:34:29] | dekarl: | there's some failures and the bios could be speed up some... But from nothing to full steam ahead it's good enough for me (faster then the modern tv in the hotel room lately ;) |
| [21:34:38] | justinh: | had to log in to find out why EIT isn't working anymore |
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| [21:35:29] | justinh: | dekarl: yeah 1 minute is faster than most standalone bluray players take ;) |
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| [21:35:38] | justinh: | stupid java crap |
| [21:36:00] | dekarl: | now you're unfair... don't count all the nonskippable crap ;) |
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| [21:36:38] | justinh: | dekarl: I thought all the reviews stated times from powered down to actually starting to play a disk |
| [21:36:46] | justinh: | not actually when the movie starts |
| [21:37:07] | justinh: | whatever the case is, it wouldn't be acceptable to me |
| [21:37:17] | justinh: | it's the 21st century ffs |
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| [21:37:29] | justinh: | switch on, put something in, and GO |
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| [21:38:30] | dekarl: | I think 62 seconds is not to bad for a generic out-of-the-box setup. Whereas the bluray player should be heavily optimized already... |
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| [21:39:07] | justinh: | I think it should at least be as speedy as a DVD player |
| [21:39:16] | justinh: | I mean, next thing.. should be faster |
| [21:40:03] | skd5aner: | how long did it take an old 386 to boot up? not that long |
| [21:40:30] | justinh: | so if I'm not using active EIT scanning, to get EIT populated do I have to do a recording from a mux with the channels I want EIT data for regularly.. or does that altogether depend on whether the data for all channels is across all muxes? |
| [21:40:32] | ** wagnerrp wonders if MythTV will run on DOS ** | |
| [21:40:40] | laga: | there probably is a qt port |
| [21:42:34] | justinh: | and there's another thing. those warnings about there not being a diseqc tree for dvb-t devices. grr |
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| [21:58:10] | dekarl: | you beat me to it... turning off all kinds of stuff in the bios and disabling the 3 second wait at the NIC setup message saved me.... about 3 seconds (surprise) |
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| [22:11:56] | skd5aner: | so, the last thing I added to the release notes was from around July 13. Anything change since then? ;) |
| [22:13:49] | wagnerrp: | not much |
| [22:17:02] | dekarl: | can I turn off the mediamonitor? seems to be trying to connect via dbus in vain for 5 seconds |
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| [22:25:00] | iamlindoro: | Sigh, let's see if Stefan can follow instructions this time |
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| [22:27:42] | iamlindoro: | He's still got the same exact issue he had before (though at least now he's running his own language in the FE), and it's still got the exact same solution it had last time-- edit the recording rule, pull up the metadata screen, choose house from the list, the end |
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| [22:28:27] | dekarl: | oh man, why isn't he simply using tv_grab_se_tvzon... Joakim is trying hard to provide episode titles from tvdb... |
| [22:28:34] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: theres also the problem that the subtitle is flat wrong |
| [22:28:48] | wagnerrp: | "part 11 of 23 season 2010" |
| [22:29:08] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: that doesn't matter |
| [22:29:28] | iamlindoro: | I mean, it matters in that it won't get a season/episode |
| [22:29:34] | iamlindoro: | but he is still perfectly capable of getting artwork |
| [22:29:38] | wagnerrp: | it will pull generic series artwork? |
| [22:29:43] | iamlindoro: | Yup |
| [22:29:49] | iamlindoro: | if he tells the recording rule what show it is |
| [22:29:57] | iamlindoro: | which is was I told him like 50 different ways last time |
| [22:30:12] | iamlindoro: | House matches like five dozen series, so MML won't guess |
| [22:30:23] | iamlindoro: | But he flat out refuses to go into the rule editor and give it the right answe |
| [22:30:24] | iamlindoro: | r |
| [22:30:27] | iamlindoro: | which is all it would take |
| [22:30:37] | sphery: | hehe, if my theory on the start in guide option causing the segfault pans out, perhaps we'll have to just remove that setting :) |
| [22:30:48] | iamlindoro: | Then the rule will have a correct inetref, and will have "faux" season episode of 1x01 |
| [22:30:57] | iamlindoro: | and future recordings of house will have the correct inetref |
| [22:30:59] | wagnerrp: | we run MML directly, correct? it doesnt get filtered through bourne? |
| [22:31:05] | sphery: | technically it's still fixing the bug if we remove an entire section of code that contains the bug |
| [22:31:22] | wagnerrp: | i assume thats why there are no quotes, since we supply the arguments directly and dont have to worry about the shell splitting stuff up |
| [22:31:27] | iamlindoro: | and --refresh-all-artwork will get Season 1 artwork for House, and anything without artwork will use that |
| [22:31:33] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: it's just a logging thing, I can fix it |
| [22:31:46] | dekarl: | and if I could tease iamlindoro to read the url pointing at the episode at the tvdb the grabber wouldn't even have to search ;) |
| [22:31:55] | wagnerrp: | i mean fixing it would just mean checking for spaces in the string, before generating the log entry |
| [22:32:10] | wagnerrp: | a mythsystem issue rather than a jobqueue/grabber issue |
| [22:32:16] | iamlindoro: | dekarl: You make every single XMLTV grabber return that, and I will :P |
| [22:32:44] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: it's running it correctly, it's just my log string which is wrong |
| [22:33:02] | dekarl: | umm, let me think about it for a bit |
| [22:33:02] | dekarl: | nah, I'd rather teach the stations and feed proper EIT + TVA upstream, way easier |
| [22:33:08] | iamlindoro: | actually, heh, I guess it can't be easily fixed, that logging has changed |
| [22:33:20] | iamlindoro: | LOG(VB_GENERAL, LOG_INFO, QString("Running Grabber: %1 %2").arg(cmd).arg(args.join(" "))); |
| [22:33:23] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: ^^ |
| [22:33:33] | iamlindoro: | It's not run through a shell |
| [22:33:40] | iamlindoro: | so the running is correct, the logging is just not |
| [22:33:53] | iamlindoro: | But *I* know what I'm seeing, and I'm sort of the only one who has to |
| [22:34:19] | wagnerrp: | well except for the people "it works when i run it but not there" |
| [22:34:30] | wagnerrp: | or the opposite, "why does it work there but not manually" |
| [22:35:09] | wagnerrp: | on the other hand, people who dont understand proper quoting and escaping for shell commands probably shouldnt be running those manually |
| [22:35:23] | Beirdo: | if you are using myth_system support (in master anyways), turning on --verbose system --loglevel debug... might give you more info |
| [22:35:35] | Beirdo: | but back to the borked crap at work :) |
| [22:35:42] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: no, nothing to do with mythsystem |
| [22:35:48] | Beirdo: | K :) |
| [22:36:00] | wagnerrp: | its a logging line outside of the mythsystem stuff that was confusing some user |
| [22:36:08] | Beirdo: | ahhh, yesh |
| [22:36:27] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: really, though, I don't know what more I can do, his guide data is awful and even so, it *will* work if he just goes and tells it which house is which |
| [22:36:34] | iamlindoro: | It's got a nice UI and everything |
| [22:36:50] | wagnerrp: | im happy with my original responce |
| [22:36:56] | Beirdo: | You can lead the user to the UI, but you can't make him use it. |
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| [22:36:57] | wagnerrp: | dont bother with it until you get worthwhile EPG data |
| [22:36:59] | iamlindoro: | enter the recording rule, hit metadata options, a lookup will be performed, choose the right house from the list with pretty artwork, save, save, done! |
| [22:37:00] | wagnerrp: | :) |
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| [22:37:44] | iamlindoro: | I think my conclusion last time was that his database has entered "undefined territory" |
| [22:37:45] | sphery: | I don't know... This whole idea of telling MythTV what you want seems to fly in the face of the preferred, "Read the users' minds," approach |
| [22:38:36] | sphery: | that's what users want, so that's what we have to give them--now get to work on libtelepathy |
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| [22:39:10] | iamlindoro: | I should just make that particular response match "House of Saddam" to prove a point |
| [22:39:17] | iamlindoro: | WE ARE REEDIN YER MINDZ |
| [22:39:23] | sphery: | hehe |
| [22:39:58] | wagnerrp: | we could hook mythtv up to one of those commercially available headbands |
| [22:40:25] | wagnerrp: | slowly scroll through each option, until skin voltages spike indicating a correct answer |
| [22:40:40] | sphery: | Or make a voice-controlled UI that uploads Speex data to the mythtv.org servers to handle every request... |
| [22:40:41] | iamlindoro: | It's clearly my well known anti-swedish bias |
| [22:40:52] | iamlindoro: | IT WOULDN'T HELP TO HAVE A UI |
| [22:40:52] | sphery: | we could call it Sori |
| [22:40:54] | iamlindoro: | THERE IS A UI |
| [22:40:57] | iamlindoro: | HE WON'T USE IT |
| [22:41:01] | iamlindoro: | </uncalm> |
| [22:41:04] | sphery: | hehe |
| [22:41:13] | wagnerrp: | sphery: we could use siri directly, its been cracked |
| [22:41:20] | sphery: | yeah, but ToS |
| [22:41:30] | wagnerrp: | of course you have to buy an iphone 4s to get a valid ID to use it |
| [22:41:38] | sphery: | you know, breaking ToS is a federal felony offense, now |
| [22:41:54] | wagnerrp: | i wonder if there actually is any published TOS on that |
| [22:41:59] | sphery: | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/15/compu . . . oes_too_far/ |
| [22:42:10] | wagnerrp: | or if they just assumed the hardware lock-in would be sufficient |
| [22:42:41] | sphery: | tomorrow I'm turning myself in for filling in one of those, "What's your birthday," questions that makes sure I'm >13yrs old with an invalid birthday |
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| [22:42:52] | sphery: | just have a couple things I have to finish, first |
| [22:44:22] | iamlindoro: | but you're too pretty for prison |
| [22:45:07] | sphery: | yeah, I don't know if there's a published ToS, but you could argue that the fact that it only responds to requests with the iPhone 4S User-Agent string means that using it on anything else is "disguising the origin of an Internet request", which is covered under other laws |
| [22:45:25] | iamlindoro: | See, that mailing list mail got me all distracted |
| [22:45:32] | iamlindoro: | just when I was going to test whether my new API worked |
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| [22:53:43] | wizbit: | is the screen setup wizard the best way to fit my mythtv screen onto my tv? i can never seem to get it to work |
| [22:53:57] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [22:54:03] | wagnerrp: | assuming you have a TV that overscans |
| [22:54:20] | wizbit: | i position both arrows in the correct position, press ok, and the resize is incorrect |
| [22:54:45] | wagnerrp: | were you starting with offsets and sizes anything other than zero? |
| [22:55:01] | wagnerrp: | they must be zeroed out when you enter, or it will not work properly |
| [22:55:15] | wizbit: | offset 0x0 |
| [22:55:20] | wizbit: | i will try again |
| [22:57:09] | wizbit: | im running 576x720 PAL res |
| [22:57:21] | wizbit: | the size with arrows in correct position is: 549 x 451 |
| [22:57:22] | dekarl: | just installed udisks to avoid the 5 second penalty of the mediamonitor... http://paste.ubuntu.com/739745/ -12% from the beginning |
| [22:57:57] | wizbit: | save changes, and there is a big black bar to the right and bottom and the screen has shrunk |
| [22:58:20] | wagnerrp: | dekarl: ideally, the mediamonitor gets removed from the frontend completely at some point in the future |
| [22:58:34] | wagnerrp: | but i dont know off hand if there is a way to disable it |
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| [23:00:20] | wizbit: | wagnerrp: im having more luck doing it manually in appearance settings |
| [23:00:24] | dekarl: | I didn't find one, next up would be dropping the "starting/stopping sys v init" crap... either its upstart or sysv, but please not both :( |
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| [23:15:10] | sphery: | I have mediamonitor completely disabled--but I don't remember which (multiple) settings I had to change to do that |
| [23:15:22] | sphery: | IIRC, settings in both mythfrontend/mythtv and plugins |
| [23:17:44] | justinh: | 576x720? no wonder it's wrong. it sohuld be 720x576 |
| [23:21:21] | wizbit: | justinh: are you running your frontend(s) diskless |
| [23:21:38] | justinh: | no |
| [23:21:54] | justinh: | and if I was I'm not prepared to walk you through how I did it :P |
| [23:22:15] | justinh: | I did, for a while, then updated my laptop's hdd.. so I use that instead now |
| [23:22:19] | wizbit: | i got mine setup, it took me 4/5 days |
| [23:22:36] | justinh: | took me like ... maybe half an hour |
| [23:22:45] | wizbit: | your brainier than me |
| [23:23:05] | justinh: | next available RHEL course, I'm going on it. I need to get out of my job |
| [23:23:20] | wizbit: | you want to become a admin? |
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| [23:23:34] | justinh: | anything other than what I do now, which sucks |
| [23:23:38] | ** justinh goes to bed ** | |
| [23:23:40] | wizbit: | these look good |
| [23:23:41] | wizbit: | http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/lpi/index.html |
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| [23:25:36] | dekarl: | wizbit: you're not running mythbuntu, right? |
| [23:26:41] | dekarl: | because following http://www.mythbuntu.org/wiki/network-boot-mythbuntu-diskless took like 1 hour plus 2–3 hours to get the damn binary driver added to the image (due to following other, wrong instructions ;) |
| [23:27:37] | wizbit: | nope, im running slackware 13.37 |
| [23:27:50] | dekarl: | obviously just clicking in the mcc would be even easier :) http://www.mythbuntu.org/node/154 |
| [23:35:44] | wizbit: | thats cheating |
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| [23:37:07] | wagnerrp: | wizbit: how is it cheating? |
| [23:37:18] | dekarl: | nothing to worry about as atm the diskless plugin for the MCC is broken :( |
| [23:37:38] | wizbit: | what is mcc? |
| [23:37:44] | wagnerrp: | mythbuntu control center |
| [23:37:44] | dekarl: | Mythbuntu Control Center |
| [23:37:46] | wizbit: | oh |
| [23:38:29] | wizbit: | -/+ buffers/cache: 183 823 |
| [23:38:43] | wizbit: | my frontend is using 183MB |
| [23:38:53] | wagnerrp: | wizbit: cheating how? |
| [23:38:58] | wizbit: | wagnerrp: i was only joking |
| [23:39:28] | iamlindoro: | because linux actually working worth a damn will make the freakshows who want to build it all from scratch feel less special |
| [23:39:34] | iamlindoro: | and they're un-special enough to begin with |
| [23:39:36] | dekarl: | wagnerrp: I guess he's refering to "clicking on 'be a netboot server' instead of doing it manually" |
| [23:39:48] | iamlindoro: | or rather, they're very special, depending on how you look at it |
| [23:40:14] | wizbit: | i done it for education, not to be special |
| [23:41:12] | dekarl: | nothing wrong with that... I've debugged NIC drivers years ago... I learned lots... but I don't miss it ;) |
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