Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, November 14th, 2011, 00:00 UTC

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GrahamIRC:

evening all

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GrahamIRC:

does anyone know how to get Mythmusic to play DTS audio wavs?

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GrahamIRC:

btw, I have the sound subsystem via HDMI all working ok – can play DTS movies, 96Khz and 192Khz FLACs etc ok

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GrahamIRC:

but mythmusic (and myth video) just wont play dts encoded audio tracks

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GrahamIRC:

does anyone know how to get Mythmusic to play DTS audio wavs? btw, I have the sound subsystem via HDMI all working ok – can play DTS movies, 96Khz and 192Khz FLACs etc ok, but mythmusic (and myth video) just wont play dts encoded audio tracks

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wagnerrp:

wav means uncompressed PCM

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wagnerrp:

PCM != DTS

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wagnerrp:

and as far as i know, HDMI doesnt support 192kHz

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wagnerrp:

ah, scratch that, it does

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GrahamIRC:

yup it sure does

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GrahamIRC:

playing REM at 192Khz right now :-)

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GrahamIRC:

I can play the file with mplayer -ao alsa:device=hdmi_hw -ac hwdts <filename>

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GrahamIRC:

but mythmusic wont

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GrahamIRC:

and neither will myth video

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wagnerrp:

mythvideo should, assuming you have a video file that can be handled by the internal player

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wagnerrp:

but i dont believe mythmusic is using the HD capable audio outputs

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GrahamIRC:

mythmusic manages to play 192Khz/24bit so I dunno why it can throw 44.1Khz/24bits x 6 channels down the link too :-/

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GrahamIRC:

I'm not sure what format I could put these in for mythvideo to play – I've tried mka, but that doesn't seem to work

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GrahamIRC:

and it seems I can't use mplayer as an external player in mythvideo cos I'm using storage groups

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[[R]]:

what if you use mythffplay

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[[R]]:

or mythavtest

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GrahamIRC:

I'm not familiar with those, what are they?

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[[R]]:

myth commands to play stuff

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GrahamIRC:

oh ok. Run from command line?

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[[R]]:

yes

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GrahamIRC:

thanks, I'll have a look at those

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GrahamIRC:

btw, does the Internal player take any switches to force codecs etc?

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[[R]]:

no

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GrahamIRC:

hmm unfortunately neither of those commands seems to help much :-/

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GrahamIRC:

but thanks for the suggestion [[R]]

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[[R]]:

"neither help much" says aboslutely NOTHING

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rasmusth:

hey guys, I recently installed ubuntu 11.10 on my mac mini, since it's getting a bit old and sluggish so I felt like linux would be the faster choice for mediacenter.

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rasmusth:

now I'm considering checking out MythTV, since I have XBMC running I could use the app built for that. The thing I'm wondering is, what are the drawbacks of mythtv vs. dreambox? Atm I am using a dreambox

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Oleg_:

any of you run mythtv on arch linux?

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wagnerrp:

the dreambox is a little MIPS system with no possibility of expansion

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wagnerrp:

while mythtv demands a proper PC

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[[R]]:

Oleg_: do you have an actual question?

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rasmusth:

wagnerrp: would you say that core2duo, 2gb ram is enough for mythtv on linux?

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Oleg_:

[[R]], yeah. Why does mythtv crash when I use mythtv on arch linux with the vdpau acceleration?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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laga:

i use myth on arch with vdpau and it works

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Oleg_:

laga, no crashes?

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[[R]]:

Oleg_: get a backtrace and file a ticket

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laga:

rarely.

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laga:

what [[R]] said

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wagnerrp:

backtrace would mean something were wrong

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wagnerrp:

and were something wrong, more people would notice

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wagnerrp:

send the backtrace to the -users mailing list

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wagnerrp:

or link to it in here

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GrahamIRC:

[[R]] well mythavtest just crashes with an error and mythffplay just doesn't play the file in question

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Oleg_:

laga, you installed mythtv and the rest from pacman?

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[[R]]:

GrahamIRC: it "crashes" with an "erorr" you say?

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Oleg_:

laga, or you compiled it from AUR first?

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[[R]]:

"an error" actually

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GrahamIRC:

I can get round the problem if I dont put the wav on a storage group and then use mplayer in mythvideo to play it

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** ablyss has core2duo 2gb ram on linux running myth with nvidia vdpau **

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rasmusth:

which language is MythTV written in?

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laga:

Oleg_: i'm using myth from aur, yes.

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[[R]]:

rasmusth: c++ with perl and python scripts

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rasmusth:

[[R]]: ok

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GrahamIRC:

[[R]] yes, "Error: MythTV is using all inputs, but there are no active recordings?"

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[[R]]:

hrn, mythavtest may have been the wrong one to try

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[[R]]:

what does mythffplay do besides "not play the file"?

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GrahamIRC:

and mythffplay tries to play the audio as video

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GrahamIRC:

and then crashes

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[[R]]:

crashes as in...

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GrahamIRC:

actually doesn't crash, just gives me a video window with a very slowly drawn vertical bar of niose

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GrahamIRC:

whilst constantly reporting ALSA underrun errors

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GrahamIRC:

I just don't think it's figured the file format at all

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[[R]]:

well, it may be that yo cant play audio files that way

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rasmusth:

Does any of you use a softcam?

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[[R]]:

which brisngs me back to what wagnerrp said

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wagnerrp:

no, and dont ask again

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[[R]]:

about mythmusic not doing hd

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GrahamIRC:

looks like I might just have to get rid of my video storage groups so that I can use mplayer in mythvideo to play them

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rasmusth:

softcams arent illegal

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[[R]]:

rasmusth: but talking about them here isn't allowed

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wagnerrp:

rasmusth: youve been told once that is a banned topic of discussion, do you wish to push the issue?

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GrahamIRC:

shame, would be nice to have them in the music player with the rest of the music

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[[R]]:

GrahamIRC: you could always fix it and then attach a patch to a itcket

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GrahamIRC:

if only I had the talent I would!

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[[R]]:

if ifs and butts were candy and nuts

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GrahamIRC:

.....?

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rasmusth:

you should put it in topic if it's not allowed

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GrahamIRC:

the rebel in me wants to know what a softcam is now lol

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iamlindoro:

rasmusth: the rules are in the topic, it's in the rules

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iamlindoro:

allow me to be the bad guy-- say one more word about it and you're out

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wagnerrp:

GrahamIRC: a CAM is a conditional access module, used to plug into tuner cards, and decrypt content from subscription services

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GrahamIRC:

gotcha

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rasmusth:

its just an emulator for cards you get from your cable or sat provider, so that if you don't want to pay for several cards, you can have one and share it to your different tvs

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rasmusth:

but what ever

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wagnerrp:

a softcam is a software version, primarily used to steal said subscription services where you dont have an authorized smart card

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GrahamIRC:

yes not what we're about here

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wagnerrp:

rasmusth: operator pants are already on, i suggest you not mention that topic again

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GrahamIRC:

wikipedia was taking me in entirely the wrong direction!

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GrahamIRC:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Softcam

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[[R]]:

he just said it hiimself "if you dont want to pay"

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[[R]]:

and he says its not illegal

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GrahamIRC:

are they worn on the outside or the inside wagnerrp? :-)

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laga:

beating the dead horse sure is fun

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iamlindoro:

laga: exactly

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[[R]]:

laga: well beating a live one is illegal...

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wagnerrp:

worn with a little green dot in my client

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** iamlindoro would love it if just once, it went, "Oh, ok, no problem, thanks." **

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[[R]]:

wagnerrp: except you have a little yellow one right now

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GrahamIRC:

and beating a dead one is probably immoral

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wagnerrp:

i didnt say i had the operator pants on

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[[R]]:

wait, you have no pants on!?

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wagnerrp:

nope

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rasmusth:

[[R]]: it is not illegal to share a card you've bought between multiple TVs, as long as it's inside your home. Don't be stupid please. I recognize that you do not want me speaking about the topic in here, but your comment is retarded.

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laga:

i have no pants on, either

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iamlindoro:

well, that'll do it

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[[R]]:

its no pants irc dance

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rasmusth:

such hostility

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iamlindoro:

such inability to follow basic instructions

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rasmusth:

there should be a rule against retarded comments aswell

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laga:

you just banned all the magic

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Beirdo:

such idiocy

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Beirdo:

:)

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iamlindoro:

NO MORE MAGIC

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laga:

oh noes

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** iamlindoro ruined Christmas... again **

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[[R]]:

iamlindoro: you killed the child in me

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GrahamIRC:

pants aside, when mythmusic sends flac (44.1Khz/16bit) down HDMI I'm guessing it's just sending the raw bitstream from the file with no processing?

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iamlindoro:

and the inevitable PMs begin

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iamlindoro:

and the inevitable PMs begin

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iamlindoro:

whoops

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iamlindoro:

"rasmusth> what is with you people?"

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laga:

iamlindoro: let the butthurt flow

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Beirdo:

nothing like /ignore at this point :)

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[[R]]:

GrahamIRC: i doubt your tv/reciever understand flac

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GrahamIRC:

lol well no, so I take it that's an agreement to my statement?

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Beirdo:

I wasn't aware that mythmusic sends flac on HDMI

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Beirdo:

PCM, sure.

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GrahamIRC:

ok ok, so it de-falcifies it

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GrahamIRC:

*flacifies

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[[R]]:

falcify

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[[R]]:

lol

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[[R]]:

GrahamIRC: you mean decomopresses...

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GrahamIRC:

freudian

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GrahamIRC:

decodes it

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Beirdo:

wow, this recording is glitchy

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Beirdo:

musta been one of the times the HDPVR crapped after a recording

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GrahamIRC:

hmmm, does FLAC support multi-channel (more than 2 channels) ?

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GrahamIRC:

why yes it does!

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GrahamIRC:

and there is the answer!

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GrahamIRC:

I convert them to multichannel FLAC and mythmusic is now playing a DD encoded FLAC :-)

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GrahamIRC:

Ah bliss :-D

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Beirdo:

Hmmm, I just had a brainwave

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Beirdo:

let's see... I think I'm trying to bind the textures before they are ready to be bound.

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wagnerrp:

you could try drugging them first

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wagnerrp:

it would make them more pliable

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Beirdo:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

temp ban or has he recanted his sins?

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Beirdo:

2011-11–13 17:49:15.335938 E [26029/26038] VideoConsumer videosurface.cpp:64 (Bind) – VDPAU: OpenCL binding #0 failed: -5 (CL_OUT_OF_RESOURCES)

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Beirdo:

nope, still not working right.

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Beirdo:

blast

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Beirdo:

I have VDPAU -> OpenGL -> OpenCL

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: If I don't remove it now, it'll last forever-- no recant

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Beirdo:

but it's failing out in the last step.

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Beirdo:

I'm sure it's something simple... like coding it at 1am

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wagnerrp:

any way to record reasons against bans in IRC?

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Beirdo:

I don't think the server stores them

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[[R]]:

wagnerrp: no

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[[R]]:

wagnerrp: you can have a bot that does the ban, and you tell the bot the resaon and the ban, and then it keeps a database

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Beirdo:

yeah, but then the bot needs ops

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[[R]]:

so?

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wagnerrp:

do you need special permissions from freenode before doing such?

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[[R]]:

no, you can do wahtver you want

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Beirdo:

don't think so.

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[[R]]:

Beirdo: also, the bot could do /msg chanserv ban

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[[R]]:

in which case it woud'ht need ops

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Beirdo:

yes it would

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[[R]]:

well it would needs to be on the access list

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[[R]]:

but it woudlnt need to be opped

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Beirdo:

it needs ops access either way

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Beirdo:

it's something that can be done at some point

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wagnerrp:

on the other hand, the bot could just record the time and operate that performed the ban

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wagnerrp:

and provide a link to that in the logs

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[[R]]:

but then you have to think about it

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[[R]]:

and click a link

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[[R]]:

and read context

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wagnerrp:

if the context were easy to find, that doesnt sound that bad

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mirage335:

WinTV-HVR-950Q is giving flaky performance. On 3.0.0 kernels, it must be replugged an average of 10 times before it works. Even when firmware upload works, often the card won't budge and must be replugged. On newer kernels (3.1 series), the computer must be rebooted after an unplug event before the card will work and garbage is written to virtual terminal.

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[[R]]:

sounds like a hardware problem

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wagnerrp:

mirage335: if youre on comcast, you may consider picking up one of the cablecard tuners instead

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wagnerrp:

HDHomeRun Prime or DCR-2650

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mirage335:

Linux laptops here, no PCI-E.

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mirage335:

And the HDHomeRun Prime is $250/mo.

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wagnerrp:

neither is pcie

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[[R]]:

nothing costs 250/mo...

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wagnerrp:

the prime is ethernet connected, and the dcr is usb

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mirage335:

Oops, $250.

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wagnerrp:

the prime costs $250, and thats it

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mirage335:

That's a little much, and I never paid for any channels beyond what is now available FTA anyway.

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wagnerrp:

you exchange multiple cable box rentals for a single cablecard rental

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wagnerrp:

oh, you were complaining about comcast encrypting everything

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mirage335:

I was. It was an unnecessary headache.

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wagnerrp:

if youre only paying for the locals, why not scrap cable all together and just put up an antenna?

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mirage335:

wagnerrp: I spent the weekend doing exactly that.

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mirage335:

Now though I have two tuners left. One works well, but is discontinued (pinnacle PCTV 801e), the other does not work very well.

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mirage335:

Need to get this WinTV-HVR-950Q working better.

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mirage335:

[[R]]: Once it starts working, it just works. And the symptoms are different for different linux kernels, which sounds like a software bug to me.

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[[R]]:

so file a bug report

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wagnerrp:

that would be linux or linuxtv bug report

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mirage335:

Great. I was hoping that some module options might help.

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mirage335:

maybe I should take this discussion to #linuxtv ?

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Beirdo:

oooh, I think I missed something here :)

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Beirdo:

2011-11–13 19:35:08.179451 E [31356/31365] VideoConsumer vdpauvideodecoder.cpp:4

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Beirdo:

93 (DrawSlice) – VDPAU: IsErrored() in DrawSlice

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Beirdo:

frick

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iamlindoro:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Hu4tUpJcFY

[03:53:31]

** wagnerrp wonders what iamlidoro's app has to do with call of duty videos and machinima **

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sphery:

iamlindoro: nice...

[03:54:28]

wagnerrp:

enterprise is still airing?

[03:54:31]

sphery:

pretty--and functional (and no gmyth!)

[03:54:45]

sphery:

or cmyth or whatever it was

[03:54:50]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: no, I'm just gradually getting around to adding it to mythvideo

[03:54:51]

wagnerrp:

c

[03:55:20]

wagnerrp:

so that 'new videos' counts both the recording and video libraries?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: new videos = videometadata, last 10 intids

[03:55:57]

iamlindoro:

new recordings is last 10 recordings by date

[03:55:57]

wagnerrp:

ah

[03:56:42]

wagnerrp:

so the big question... do you actually have an ipad to use this on yet?

[03:56:43]

wagnerrp:

:)

[03:56:54]

iamlindoro:

yep, as of a couple weeks ago

[03:56:59]

sphery:

makes me wonder, too, what you think of American Horror Story--I've heard bad things about it

[03:56:59]

iamlindoro:

much more fun to use than the simulator

[03:57:06]

iamlindoro:

sphery: Haven't watched any yet

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wagnerrp:

ah, i thought i had heard you say you were developing it sans ipad

[03:57:29]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: I was for the first month or so

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sphery:

I've heard it's all the cliches without any of the stories or consistency getting in the way

[03:59:40]

sphery:

I like the recording rule editor

[04:00:20]

iamlindoro:

Yeah, it's actually kinda amazing how much API work you get done as you discover what stuff you need ;)

[04:00:27]

sphery:

straightforward and covers 99.999% of requirements without the complexity/details getting in the way

[04:01:05]

iamlindoro:

That's my thought too-- The big test will be, can I just hand it to my GF and have her run the show

[04:01:05]

sphery:

very nice

[04:01:09]

iamlindoro:

thanks

[04:01:23]

sphery:

hehe, and if not--then that's why you keep working on it

[04:01:38]

sphery:

(but nice to have a non-dev to test and provide feedback)

[04:02:06]

iamlindoro:

She is decidedly non-technical, but she does do all her computing on an iPhone

[04:02:17]

iamlindoro:

so it'll be a good test of whether the UI paradigms make sense

[04:02:25]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: thats been my experience with the python bindings

[04:02:34]

wagnerrp:

as much as ive tried to plan things out ahead of time

[04:02:49]

wagnerrp:

it still tends to grow organically as i think of new things i want to use it for

[04:04:31]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: The API has been lots of fun without users because I can change things at will... I daresay it will get less fun when people start using it and people whine when things change :)

[04:05:07]

wagnerrp:

yeah, thats the thing that really scares me about the schema changes sphery has planned

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sphery:

ah, don't worry--things won't even have to change for users to whine about it :)

[04:05:26]

wagnerrp:

most of these new classes ive written are going to be scrapped and redesigned out of necessity

[04:05:41]

sphery:

for the recordedfile changes?

[04:05:46]

wagnerrp:

yeah

[04:05:57]

sphery:

yeah, it will have a lot of effects for a lot of external stuff

[04:05:58]

wagnerrp:

basic metadata access can probably be maintained

[04:06:11]

sphery:

I can handle the internal stuff, but external will require others' help

[04:06:13]

wagnerrp:

but any kind of manipulation or cross referencing will be totally borked

[04:06:37]

iamlindoro:

in theory API should "just keep working" so long as the wrapping classes are maintained (videometadata, programinfo, recordingrule)

[04:07:00]

sphery:

yeah... if you maintain a compatibility layer, it will be very difficult to take advantage of (or even handle other, new recordings that use) the new features

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wagnerrp:

yeah, that was the flaw with my original design, where the classes automatically created themselves based off database information

[04:07:22]

sphery:

such as the many files per recording

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sphery:

or the metadata linkage

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sphery:

the challenge is deciding how much maintaining the old api is worthwhile

[04:08:20]

iamlindoro:

sphery: Well, I mean the Services API in this case

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sphery:

services api should be easier to handle

[04:08:39]

iamlindoro:

relatively little of it does any DB access, it uses all the classes on top of it

[04:08:41]

sphery:

though may still require some updates/version changes

[04:08:53]

sphery:

yeah, not sure what all is in there, yt

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iamlindoro:

can't imagine anything will need to chaneg for Services externally anyway

[04:09:13]

iamlindoro:

everything recording is keyed off of chanid and starttime, which shouldn't change

[04:09:18]

iamlindoro:

everything in video is keyed off of intid

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sphery:

more than anything I worry about things using as identifiers data that becomes non-unique

[04:09:28]

iamlindoro:

everything in rec rules is recid

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sphery:

chanid and starttime becomes non-unique when files come into play

[04:09:47]

sphery:

will be recordedid

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iamlindoro:

outside of that you can change the data contract all you want, the fundamental calling of the methods should remain the same

[04:10:00]

sphery:

but might be able to deal with that by just using the "default" file

[04:10:20]

iamlindoro:

sphery: yeah, just add an argument for fileid/type/whatever

[04:10:24]

iamlindoro:

and make it optional

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iamlindoro:

then you preserve backwards compat

[04:11:12]

sphery:

yeah, will be a lot of looking at what they have and whether defaults are sensible

[04:11:33]

iamlindoro:

I do think we should do everything in our power to make the API calls function across versions

[04:12:14]

iamlindoro:

it's the closest we're likely ever to have to cross-version compatibility

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

as long as we don't end up building Microsoft Windows 7 with DOS 6.x support still available

[04:13:11]

xris:

grumble. 0b again from the simpsons.

[04:13:25]

sphery:

(meaning there will come a point when forwards compatibility doesn't make sense and we should force people to update old scripts/programs)

[04:13:39]

sphery:

i.e. like the point where XvMC didn't make any sense to keep around and such

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sphery:

not that we're there, yet (with the services api still being very new)

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iamlindoro:

sphery: I argue that we should find some way to mark APIs as deprecated for a version, then phase them out with a renamed one so that it's gone instead of completely different

[04:14:49]

iamlindoro:

That way forward progress isn't stopped, and app authors have almost a year to adapt to an API change

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sphery:

yeah, that wouldn't be bad

[04:15:11]

iamlindoro:

(ie you write the new API now, mark the old as deprecated, run both alongside one another for a release, then dump the deprecated)

[04:15:13]

sphery:

but we do need versioning in the services api

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iamlindoro:

it's versioned

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xris:

iamlindoro: the common method is the version the API.. or the function call.

[04:15:27]

iamlindoro:

each service has its own verion

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sphery:

well, I know there are versions'

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xris:

then then just drop old versions as they get too far back

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sphery:

I don't know whether we have a usable version approach (meaning I don't know what the versions are like/how they're managed/whether they're even being updated)

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iamlindoro:

sphery: Given I'm the only one presently adding methods, I've been bumping cersions in a way that makes sense to me

[04:16:33]

sphery:

anyway, just saying that if nothing else, the apps need to have a reliable and useful way of looking up "what can I expect of this mythtv system"

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sphery:

hehe, that sounds good

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sphery:

if it's just one person, it's likely consistent

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sphery:

I hadn't seen any policies, so I feared it may not have been

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xris:

iamlindoro: by "bumping versions" do you include leaving the old version in place?

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iamlindoro:

xris: I don't follow-- the version is a single variable per-Service, which is a collection of APIs... I don't quite see what you mean by leaving the old version in place

[04:19:41]

iamlindoro:

so far most of the changes are additions of new methods, nothing has been removed yet

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xris:

the point of versioning an API is so that clients can request which version of the API they talk to.

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, it can't speak more than one at once

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iamlindoro:

It speaks the version it speaks, and that version only

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xris:

that's the main problem with mythproto

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sphery:

kind of like Qt's versioning :)

[04:20:36]

xris:

heh

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sphery:

it speaks the version that's installed :)

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xris:

hmm, simpsons failed to record because my son unplugged my hdhr. and myth didn't fall back to the cable card tuner.

[04:21:33]

xris:

I need to update to see if that's still an issue

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sphery:

yeah, I don't think (unless it was just added) we have a "fall back on this failed recording because of bad hardware" capability

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xris:

iamlindoro: anyway, that's the "enterprise way" to do stuff. makes it easier for third party things to hook into APIs.

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sphery:

we mark the show as failed, then attempt to get it on the next run

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xris:

hdhr is upnp though. backend should have just chosen a different encoder when it was offline

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xris:

I keep recompiling new versions of myth and then never actually getting around to installing.

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sphery:

hehe, if we had split up the backend--especially with the recorders becoming independent processes--the "mark a single recorder as offline" would be easier

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iamlindoro:

sphery: Well, in fairness, we still have to

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iamlindoro:

can't do backend setup completely without it

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iamlindoro:

backend web setup, that is

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sphery:

yeah... just saying maybe that would be a good place to start

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sphery:

:)

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sphery:

at least a separate recorder process per host, but possibly per card

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wagnerrp:

xris: technically, its not upnp

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iamlindoro:

technically, it is, and we don't use it :)

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wagnerrp:

it uses its own autodetection based off broadcast traffic, not multicast traffic

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wagnerrp:

there is stuff in the library for that?

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wagnerrp:

i know my machine picks up the device

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iamlindoro:

The library is a native interface, then there's the uPNP interface, then on the Prime there's also the DRI interface

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xris:

wagnerrp: well, yeah. hoping it was a bug fixed a month or two ago. :) I'm a bit out of date on this build.

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xris:

sphery: I swear the offline recorder stuff worked great when I was using firewire.

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xris:

but "fall back to next available recorder" would be an awesome feature.

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xris:

apparently toddler-proofing my media center setup wasn't as complete as I thought. :)

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sphery:

hehe, toddler-proofing is definitely hard

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sphery:

especially for complex systems

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xris:

especially when "button" is one of his favorite things

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wagnerrp:

nah

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sphery:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

it just requires altitude

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sphery:

had to disable the power button on a friend's system for that reason

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xris:

duck tape over the power buttons on the mythbox.

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sphery:

or blacklist button :)

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wagnerrp:

i had to do that on my grandma's system

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xris:

hdhr was hidden behind things but he must have pulled it just enough to get disconnect the power cord

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wagnerrp:

grandma, no, grandma, dont touch that button on the power strip

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sphery:

(though blacklisting button affects even you--when you do want that button )

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xris:

he's not even 2 and he already know a decent amount of how to navigate myth to find his shows...

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xris:

and use the harmony remote to turn the tv on/off

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wagnerrp:

the computer will turn off automatically when, grandma, it will turn off on its own

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xris:

shows good things for the UI. :)

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sphery:

button on power strip would require physical protections :)

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wagnerrp:

and will turn back on when you touch the mouse

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xris:

sphery: he's not strong enough to push the button on my UPS. but power strip/cords in general require physical protections from kids.

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sphery:

yeah, glad I haven't had to worry about that

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sphery:

makes my system much easier to set up

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jya:

taylorr: there we go

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jya:

I've bricked my WRT54GL :(

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taylorr:

jya; Driver version: 1.0.24

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taylorr:

Library version: 1.0.24.1

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taylorr:

Utilities version: 1.0.24.2

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jya:

all good then

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taylorr:

jya: dd-wrt by any chance?

[05:22:05]

taylorr:

jya: still odd that it fails when trying to change alsa parameters

[05:22:52]

taylorr:

jya: I had to use a different ppa to get my asound drivers versus the library/utilities

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jya:

tomato :) was experimenting using linux2.6 instead

[05:25:18]

jya:

damn.. trying to get the original firmware I get: (The firmware/driver for this product is no longer available for download. We regret any inconvenience this may cause you.)

[05:25:42]

jya:

and flashing it via tftp gives me: Error code 1024: Cann't downgrade to this old firmware version (2)

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taylorr:

probably have to find it on a forum then

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taylorr:

jya: I think once this is resolved everything should work properly -> ALSA, Error: Unable to set buffer time 500000: Invalid argument

[05:28:22]

taylorr:

it's like the API isn't correct

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jya:

if you play with -v audio

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jya:

it will show what is the acceptable range for the audio buffer

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taylorr:

jya: the weird thing is that setting that same parameter works the first time

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taylorr:

jya: I'm going to give it a rest for now... past my bed time.... thanks for helping me out

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jya:

your welcome.. sorry it doesn't work..

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jya:

be interesting to see what mplayer does

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jya:

they too use a 500ms buffer by default

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taylorr:

jya: the first time it doesn't give an error

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taylorr:

which is weird to me

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jya:

what video card is it ?

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taylorr:

GT 430

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jya:

sure but which one ?

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taylorr:

jya: this one -> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121448

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jya:

i have an asus too, but not fanless… I definitely use CARD=NVidia,DEV=0 on my box

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taylorr:

I'm using nvidia 285.x drivers if that makes any difference

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jya:

doesn't matter

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taylorr:

jya: do you know a prealloc amount that should work for everything?

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jya:

4096

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taylorr:

jya: do you get the "ALSA: Requested 500000us got 341333 buffer time" on your card?

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jya:

never

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jya:

ah that ?

[06:08:39]

jya:

yes..

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jya:

if the hardwware buffer size is too small

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[[R]]:

that's what she said...

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jya:

you ask 500ms and alsa returns whatever it can fit

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taylorr:

jya: I switched back to spdif and those same SetParamaters() calls are fine... just doesn't like doing it for HDMI

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taylorr:

and it succeeds the first time for HDMI

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jya:

the only time you get an invalid message, is if you ask for a value that it can't handle

[06:10:17]

jya:

when you run with -v audio

[06:10:25]

jya:

it will display the range of acceptable value

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taylorr:

the only difference is that for SPDIF we request 2 channels and for HDMI we request 6 channels for LPCM

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jya:

i had seen some cards for which some value between 100ms and 128ms wasn't valid

[06:11:20]

jya:

how did you set the hardware audio buffer size for your card?

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taylorr:

you mean the prealloc?

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jya:

yes

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jya:

did you use the command shown in the log?

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taylorr:

I just echo it... and I"ve no added it to rc.local so it happens at the start

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taylorr:

yes, I used the command in the log

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jya:

that's not the info i'm after

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taylorr:

yes, I used the command in the log

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jya:

ok

[06:13:36]

jya:

just to mak sure you use the proper path

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jya:

be right back, going to throw away my wrt54

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taylorr:

hehe

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jya:

give me the shit

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taylorr:

did you really throw it away?

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jya:

taylorr: that's right…. gone… I had it for almost 8 years ! it's bricked… tried everything I could think of to revive it.. and as I do not have a jtag here, can't do much… I had just replaced it with a N16 but I wanted to test the linux 2.6 kernel I had just built for fun

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taylorr:

ah, at least you got your money's worth out of it

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jya:

taylorr: you need to give me the full log with -v audio when trying to play something… otherwise it's going blindfolded

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jya:

taylorr: the wrt54 is very likely the most reliable piece of technology I've ever used

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taylorr:

jya: the last log I sent via PM should be it

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jya:

I set one at my parents like 6 years ago, hasn't missed a beat

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jya:

the file you sent me is just a backlog

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jya:

backtrace sorry

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wagnerrp:

ive got a couple scattered around my house

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wagnerrp:

havent had to touch one in maybe five years

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taylorr:

jya: go to the same location but replace gdb.log with mythfrontend.log

[06:24:16]

taylorr:

I sent you the link almost an hour ago :)

[06:24:19]

jya:

it complains there that your audio buffer is too small

[06:24:36]

jya:

yeah, but i got disconnected and to reconnect I had to restart my irc client

[06:24:41]

jya:

lost that chat window

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taylorr:

it was exactly the errors even when I increased the prealloc

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jya:

that's so weird

[06:25:07]

taylorr:

exactly the same errors

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jya:

first go it gives me 22 to 5461

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taylorr:

I was hoping increasing prealloc would help but it did nothing to improve anything

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jya:

2nd go 22 -> 5461, 1st go : 64 -> 16384

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jya:

for stereo, spdif , ac3 or dts

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jya:

the default 64 is okay

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taylorr:

timestretch uses LPCM for HDMI

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jya:

hum… that is weird

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jya:

it's enabling timestretch

[06:27:02]

jya:

yet open the card in 16 bits when 32 bits is available

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taylorr:

yes, audio works fine until timestretch is enabled

[06:27:42]

jya:

i yeah, I remember why now

[06:29:31]

jya:

the driver are 1.0.24 ?

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jya:

and lib 1.0.24.2

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jya:

ahah: first answer from google

[06:30:26]

jya:

http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.alsa.devel/82736

[06:30:36]

jya:

it's me asking the question months ago :)

[06:31:13]

jya:

but in alsa-lib back then

[06:33:20]

jya:

go and edit libs/libmyth/audiooutputalsa.cpp

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jya:

line 433

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jya:

try buffer_time = 400000

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jya:

see how you go

[06:34:36]

jya:

and I haven't tried alsa lib 1.0.24.1

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jya:

try with 1.0.24 only

[06:35:04]

jya:

just in case it's a recent bug that got introduced

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taylorr:

jya: ok, I'll give it a shot tomorrow

[06:35:41]

jya:

i hate when things don't work

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jya:

and I was really hoping that I finally got rid of all problems evern seen by people :(

[06:36:11]

jya:

try 1.0.23 while you're at it

[06:36:14]

jya:

it will work too

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jya:

but you'll have to try another audio device

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taylorr:

so you think it might be a new issue with 1.0.24.1 lib?

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jya:

that error is something handled by alsa lib

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taylorr:

not sure how I'm going to go back to 1.0.24

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jya:

try 1.0.23

[06:37:46]

jya:

even 1.0.22 would do

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jya:

i've used 1.0.22 lib at some stage

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jya:

I only recommend people to use 1.0.24 because it's easier to determine which hdmi device to use

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taylorr:

1.0.22 I think is the default for 10.04

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jya:

though jpabq didn't get audio until he upgraded to 1.0.24

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jya:

so you never know

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taylorr:

jya: so HD passthrough should work fine with 1.0.22?

[06:39:01]

jya:

yes…

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jya:

as long as you have the driver

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taylorr:

jpabq: hasn't made it to 1.0.24 yet :) he's on 1.0.23

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taylorr:

the 1.0.22 driver?

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jya:

whatever comes by default with 10.04

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Beirdo:

YAY

[06:40:08]

Beirdo:

I *think* I have it successfully working

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jya:

Beirdo: audio ? :P

[06:40:23]

taylorr:

you got HD passthrough working?

[06:40:28]

Beirdo:

I should put in a pullback of a frame and see.

[06:40:32]

Beirdo:

nooo.

[06:40:45]

Beirdo:

video VDPAU -> OpenGL -> OpenCL

[06:40:55]

Beirdo:

so I can do commflag in the GPU

[06:41:18]

Beirdo:

it's been a couple days of messy crap and I THINK I finally have it

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Beirdo:

basically, push compressed frame to the GPU, and leave it there

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Beirdo:

uncompress in GPU, process in GPU

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Beirdo:

(for compatible video streams of course)

[06:42:33]

Beirdo:

still need to add the ffmpeg decoding fallback option

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[[R]]:

wow, pretty cool

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scratchrf:

hello room

[06:42:50]

[[R]]:

realtime or after the fact?

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Beirdo:

but THAT will be a task for tomorrow

[06:43:17]

Beirdo:

well, it's pushing just over 120fps right now on my last test

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Beirdo:

there's not much point doing realtime.

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[[R]]:

my current flag job says 123fps

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Beirdo:

although, once it's all there, no reason it couldn't be used that way, I suppose

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[[R]]:

so... its about the same?

[06:44:09]

wagnerrp:

well thats the issue

[06:44:15]

wagnerrp:

its going to be heavily limited by the decoder

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Beirdo:

yeah, exactly

[06:45:02]

Beirdo:

takes 7–9ms per frame to decode 1080i MPEG2, it seems

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wagnerrp:

processing once it gets decoded should be blazing fast, but the decoder is limited to only the necessary capability

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Beirdo:

yeah, I don't expect much processing time at all

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Beirdo:

I'll pump some H.264 and MPEG4 through it later :)

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wagnerrp:

h264 would make a bigger difference

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wagnerrp:

especially single-sliced stuff

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Beirdo:

yeah, it will be a bit slower, but I expect it to be almost as fast :)

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jya:

Beirdo: what speed would you get on a typical PC ? is it much faster on the GPU?

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Beirdo:

based on the numbers on that post

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Beirdo:

jya: for what type of video?

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jya:

in most vdpau test I've seen, the GPU is usually at best around 60fps for h264

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wagnerrp:

jya: the issue with mpeg2 is that it is already decoded at low quality, and then commflagged at low resolution

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Beirdo:

this is slower (for now) than the original commflag for MPEG2, but not by much

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wagnerrp:

so even for HD MPEG2 on a modest AthII X2, youre looking at a couple hundred FPS

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Beirdo:

with H.264, I expect it to be maybe 3/4 the speed or so

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Beirdo:

yeah, this is full-frame (unless I messed up)

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Beirdo:

as I said, gotta pull-back a frame and check it out

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scratchrf:

say, any ideas for the cheapest usb capture device i can buy to get started? i just wanna watch local channels in real time...football games, etc. i saw Hauppauge WinTV-HVR-850 on walmart dot com for 60 bucks. anyone know of something in the 30–40 dollar range?

[06:51:18]

wagnerrp:

do you need USB? you cant go with an internal card?

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scratchrf:

laptops and an old ppc mac mini are my only comps

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wagnerrp:

an old PPC Mini is likely not going to be able to handle broadcast HD

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wagnerrp:

what is the laptop?

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scratchrf:

dell inspiron 1501, and thinkpad r51

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wagnerrp:

what processors?

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scratchrf:

i wonder if either of those have enough cpu power? which is just one more reason i don't wanna spend a ton upfront to try this out

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scratchrf:

1500 mhz proc, 2 gb of ram

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scratchrf:

on the thinkpad

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wagnerrp:

pentium m? probably too slow

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scratchrf:

i know my inspiron has the same ram, and i *think* about a 2.6 ghz proc

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scratchrf:

dangit

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wagnerrp:

likely a single core P4, which would be marginal

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scratchrf:

i guess i need to get a nice new multimedia box

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scratchrf:

*cough

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scratchrf:

and disguise it as something else in front of the missus

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wagnerrp:

it doesnt take much

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wagnerrp:

'desktop' style case, $40... AMD board and processor, $60x2... 2GB DDR3, $20.... GT210, $25

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Beirdo:

47 files changed, 8528 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)

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Beirdo:

diff from master.

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Beirdo:

oy.

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iamlindoro:

Heh, VPN from iPad to Master BE. This will make trips much easier :)

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Beirdo:

hehe.

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iamlindoro:

Especially once we get HTTP Live streaming in

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Beirdo:

ssh not suffice?

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Beirdo:

ahh, I guess not for that :)

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Beirdo:

nor mythweb in genera;

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iamlindoro:

ssh is good when I'm at a desktop with a terminal, but not as much in iOS, yeah

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iamlindoro:

not easy/non-jailbreak way to port forward

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iamlindoro:

er no

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Beirdo:

good point

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scratchrf:

so you guys think that even the 2.6 ghz laptop prob will crumble under the load of tv tunage?

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wagnerrp:

crumble? no

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wagnerrp:

but it will be marginal

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scratchrf:

k

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iamlindoro:

and not tunage, but playback

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wagnerrp:

you likely wont be able to manage any kind of deinterlacing

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scratchrf:

would it help if all i really want to do is watch stuff in "real time"?

[07:07:02]

iamlindoro:

no

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iamlindoro:

since everything is recorded, even live tv

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wagnerrp:

if all you want to do is watch real time, you dont want to use mythtv

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scratchrf:

dangit

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wagnerrp:

mythtv is intended to record

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scratchrf:

<<< sucks at A/V

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wagnerrp:

in any case, it takes the same amount of power to decode whether it is live or recorded

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wagnerrp:

any reason why not to just use a tv with an internal tuner?

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scratchrf:

i'd have to buy one

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scratchrf:

broke

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scratchrf:

but i have a coax into my room from the house cable service, and a 17" dell vga-only monitor

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wagnerrp:

cable is expensive, cancel the service and put up an antenna

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scratchrf:

my "roommate" aka friend has the cable service, i figured i'd try to get it onto my monitor somehow

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scratchrf:

well....thanks for the "warnings"

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scratchrf:

since i'm too lazy to read the suggested minimal sys requirements

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justinh:

good grief! can people not find a newer screenshot than that 7 year old junk?

[08:42:53]

justinh:

hmm. they likely can, but choose not to use it for fear of showing mythtv in a good light

[08:42:55]

justinh:

the bastards

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dekarl:

justinh: link?

[09:03:19]

justinh:

http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/08/code-wizar . . . dows-legend/

[09:06:40]

justinh:

so anyway, what are the options for remote control on a windows myth frontend? winlirc?

[09:07:52]

justinh:

lol @purserj calling getting xbmc to stream livetv from mythtv a 'hacking win'

[09:08:04]

justinh:

yeah. *that* is hacking

[09:08:18]

laga:

in the same way you might call a circumcision a hacking win

[09:09:04]

justinh:

I must be an uber-god og hacking by comparison. I mean I've compiled mythtv – and even contributed the occasional line of code or two!

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justinh:

s/og/of

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SilentDis:

hello, anyone able to direct a newbie toward a first-time setup guide? for some reason, I'm unable to find any channels during a setup scan, but w_scan setup my channels.conf perfectly, and I can watch via VLC (kubuntu 11.10)

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SilentDis:

aargh, I have no idea what capture card to choose >.<

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SilentDis:

alright, I have managed to scan and such.... but now... http://imagebin.org/184033 is what I'm getting. any suggestions?

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justinh:

ooo ATI graphics?

[10:03:57]

SilentDis:

no

[10:04:07]

justinh:

worse? SiS?

[10:04:15]

SilentDis:

nvidia GTX 560Ti card, PC HDTV cap card

[10:04:23]

justinh:

crap signal?

[10:04:33]

SilentDis:

works fine via vlc

[10:04:39]

SilentDis:

signal is just peachy

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justinh:

installed the binary nvidia driver?

[10:04:48]

SilentDis:

yes

[10:04:54]

justinh:

dunno then

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SilentDis:

fully hardware accelerated

[10:05:21]

SilentDis:

how do I stop mythtv's backend?

[10:05:47]

justinh:

depends

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SilentDis:

i want it to stop controling the cap card. I attempted a kill -9 on it's process, it just respawns.

[10:06:27]

justinh:

how does anybody tell you when you haven't said what distro you're running? ;-)

[10:06:47]

SilentDis:

I did, above.

[10:06:51]

SilentDis:

kubuntu 11.10

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justinh:

repsawning suggests *buntu. sigh

[10:07:12]

justinh:

sudo service mythtv-backend stop

[10:07:23]

SilentDis:

ah. i get it. "get out and go away" understood.

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ServerSage:

I think I just peed a little laughing.

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justinh:

I think I just died a little inside. I'm bloody sick of these ignorami

[10:11:02]

justinh:

always tempted to say "well if it works in $other program, just use that"

[10:12:01]

justinh:

aw crap. I forgot I'm on Steam

[10:12:20]

justinh:

that'll teach me

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justinh:

maybe I'll be ok. the card I had registered with them will be long dead by now

[10:14:05]

ServerSage:

Scary thing, that.

[10:15:20]

justinh:

ah. no stored credit card info. heh

[10:15:48]

justinh:

so er... how did I get HalfLife on my laptop then?

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justinh:

and how the *hell* are you supposed to change your password on there anyway?

[10:19:22]

justinh:

Pfft. you can only do it *within* the Steam program? LAME

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justinh:

ruh? only people whose game apssword was the same as their forum password? stupid Radio 4 sloppy reporting

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ng0mes:

ng0mes: hello , i dont use mythTv but i know there's some users that understand about dvb-t

[12:12:50]

ng0mes:

(12:11:33) ng0mes: i got a log with w_scan , but can manage to understand it , looks like it captures some frequency but no luck , log here -> http://pastebin.com/gCp3h7dQ

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ng0mes:

(12:11:44) ng0mes: any explanation ?

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dekarl-too:

ng0mes: you likely want to ask in #linuxtv and it looks like there is not transport stream on the frequency. e.g. DVB-H mux or similar

[12:33:35]

ng0mes:

dekarl-too: do u think i can make something ? lack of signal maybe ... ?

[12:35:52]

dekarl-too:

I have no idea, but maybe it's not finding the offset correctly? (is that with 125kHz offset at your location?)

[12:36:27]

ng0mes:

i dont know what offset is , i m just a simple user with a dvb-t client

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dekarl-too:

sorry, can't really help you as we don't do such things over here (where i live), #linuxtv should know more about w_scan

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ng0mes:

they lack reply in that room :s

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dekarl-too:

that is out of my control :)

[12:39:04]

ng0mes:

perhaps in private ? :)

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justinh:

offsets are used all over the world for various reasons – notably preventing interference with other services

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ng0mes:

where can i find the exact frequency then ?

[13:04:43]

justinh:

I don't know, but at least in the UK we have an organisation who makes the information public

[13:04:57]

justinh:

are you even sure your tuner is working in linux?

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ng0mes:

its in staging

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ng0mes:

but i've managed to use it , few months ago

[13:07:43]

ng0mes:

it just takes sometimes loading firmware , about 90 seconds

[13:07:47]

ng0mes:

but then , its ok

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justinh:

in linux, on the same kernel version etc?

[13:08:01]

ng0mes:

no . 2.6.32 i believe

[13:08:05]

justinh:

90 seconds to load firmware doesn't sound right

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ng0mes:

they told me on linuxtv that was normal

[13:08:27]

ng0mes:

driver is at stage level

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ng0mes:

not finished

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justinh:

wow. that's appalling

[13:11:12]

justinh:

so what have you done different this time, other than use a different kernel?

[13:13:09]

ng0mes:

nothing

[13:13:12]

ng0mes:

just using 3.0 kernel

[13:13:19]

ng0mes:

and dmesg looks equal

[13:13:20]

ng0mes:

i mean

[13:13:26]

ng0mes:

driver loads

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ng0mes:

one moment

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ng0mes:

gona unload and load to show you

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justinh:

are they saying 90 seconds between the dvb device being registered & loading the firmware – or is it that actually loading the firmware is taking so long?

[13:15:27]

ng0mes:

loading the firmware, then it displayed the channel

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ng0mes:

anything with v4l2 ?

[13:16:06]

justinh:

personally I'd give up & buy something that's actually supported now

[13:16:12]

justinh:

but that's just me

[13:16:25]

justinh:

I've been there, trying to get a card working before the driver was in the kernel

[13:17:11]

ng0mes:

what card is fully supported and cheap ?

[13:17:15]

ng0mes:

can u tell me a model

[13:17:16]

ng0mes:

usb

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justinh:

see the linuxtv.org wiki :-)

[13:17:33]

ng0mes:

u suck :D

[13:17:45]

ng0mes:

mine says supported

[13:17:50]

ng0mes:

now trust that list :p

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justinh:

I suck? yeah, so long then

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justinh:

good luck getting your junk tuner working

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ng0mes:

kidding :|

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justinh:

wonder what it'd take to be able to find a USB cable where the data pair is actually twisted like the spec says it has to be

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J-e-f-f-A:

Humm... I just read an article from the 10th that says Adobe has thrown in the towel on Flash on mobile devices as HTML5 has won out – that's cool... ;-) Now if it will just go away on the desktop world...

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stuartm:

if only it was that simple, just because adobe has given up doesn't mean that html 5 will reign supreme, the rights holders aren't going to give up on DRM that easily

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J-e-f-f-A:

Yeah, I'm sure... But I can dream, no? ;-)

[14:40:05]

laga:

stuartm: yes, yes.. but it's still good news.

[14:40:44]

stuartm:

I too share that dream, but experience has crushed many others :(

[14:41:03]

J-e-f-f-A:

stuartm: so true... d'oh!

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Peitolm:

thanks to the new logging in 0.25-pre, i found ttvbd.py – as this was the first i'd heard of it, i took a look, but I can't see any kind of privacy policy for it

[14:58:32]

Peitolm:

don't suppose anyone has seen one that i've missed?

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taylorr:

jya: setting buffer_time to 400000 works on my system

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CiaranG:

Peitolm: I don't think there is one. You could ask at http://forums.thetvdb.com/

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sphery:

Peitolm: what do you mean privacy policy? if you don't want it asking thetvdb.com for information about shows you record/put in videos, tell MythTV not to use it

[15:47:31]

sphery:

i.e. it's your system, so make it work in a way that doesn't worry you

[15:48:05]

sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Ttvdb.py

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Enhancing_Recordin . . . adata_Lookup

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sphery:

wagnerrp: wow, David W on the -users list gave a /very/ good short story reasoning for why Atom is a bad processor in "Re: [mythtv-users] Low end hardware/software recommendations" (and Tim's reply was also a good reply)

[16:05:01]

Oleg_:

I need a hexacore i7 cpu

[16:05:25]

wagnerrp:

for what?

[16:06:06]

Oleg_:

I guess to decrease the amount of time it takes to compile a particular port

[16:06:11]

wagnerrp:

unless you do a lot of recording, and you want to transcode all of it to multiple different formats for portable devices, mythtv cant really use that kind of power

[16:07:11]

wagnerrp:

and if youre concerned about the amount of time needed to compile ports, either use packages, update less frequently, or choose a system that is not designed to be compiled from scratch by the user

[16:08:34]

Oleg_:

I wanna use ports, not packages

[16:09:16]

Oleg_:

and maybe I will need to transcode stuff in the future

[16:12:07]

Peitolm:

sphery: I was just wurprised to see it, i'd never heard of it before, the first wiki page seems to suggest it's part of mythvideo

[16:12:17]

Peitolm:

I will read the second one now

[16:12:37]

wagnerrp:

Peitolm: it was until 0.25

[16:12:54]

wagnerrp:

ill rephrase that, it was only used for mythvideo until 0.25

[16:13:02]

Peitolm:

ah, so i wasn't going mad,

[16:13:05]

sphery:

Peitolm: do you mean you want privacy policy for thetvdb.com (the external, non-MythTV site that's used by the script ttvdb.py)?

[16:13:06]

Oleg_:

but 0.25 is not released yet

[16:13:24]

sphery:

if so, you need to check out thetvdb.com website/wiki/forum

[16:13:29]

Peitolm:

it is possible that i'd seen mention of it, but ignored it as i don't use mythvideo for a while

[16:14:20]

sphery:

Peitolm: btw, got a link to this in today's newegg e-mail: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx

[16:14:23]

sphery:

;)

[16:14:26]

Peitolm:

sphery: but yes, it was the 'thetvdb.com' privacy policy i was looking for, the wiki one is a blank page, I couldn't see one on the main site, and i haven't checked the forum yet, but a forum search turns up 1 match, and that's a user

[16:14:32]

Peitolm:

?

[16:14:41]

** sphery doesn't understand why anyone who's not a company would spend that much money on a processor **

[16:14:59]

sphery:

yeah, you'd likely have to ask on the forum

[16:15:12]

sphery:

they probably haven't come up with an official one--and they would love your help in doing it :)

[16:15:12]

Peitolm:

sphery: i don't understand, why are you suggesting i look at newegg?

[16:15:14]

Oleg_:

so, mythvideo plugin will cease to exist when mythtv 0.25 is released; should I expect any other cool changes in mythtv 0.25?

[16:15:20]

sphery:

oops, that was for Oleg_

[16:15:26]

sphery:

Oleg_: btw, got a link to this in today's newegg e-mail: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx

[16:15:29]

sphery:

:)

[16:15:35]

Peitolm:

:)

[16:16:00]

Peitolm:

thanks for the second link, that looks like something i was looking for

[16:16:13]

Peitolm:

and actually, it will save me writing a parser for wikipedia :)

[16:17:10]

sphery:

Peitolm: if you're using .24-fixes, then someone else (i.e. packager) may have configured your system to use Jamu ( http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Jamu )

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Peitolm:

sphery: just upgraded to 0.25-pre in order to get access to the API for some perl module work i want to do

[16:19:00]

Peitolm:

thanks ofr helping me unravel that

[16:20:28]

sphery:

y/w... and for real, I think thetvdb.com guys (and, if you're up to it, themoviedb.org guys) would love to have some help in creating an official privacy policy (at least one that mentions what data they have--TTBOMK, only a record or requests and the IPs from which they came--and what they do with it--I'm assuming they just delete it after <time period>)

[16:20:55]

sphery:

http://www.themoviedb.org/ being the one that's used for movie data

[16:21:00]

sphery:

(non-TV)

[16:23:34]

Peitolm:

*nods*

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dekarl-too:

non-TV?

[16:23:44]

wagnerrp:

dekarl: movies

[16:23:51]

wagnerrp:

as opposed to TV series

[16:23:53]

Peitolm:

yeah, non-tv = non serial TV shows

[16:24:17]

dekarl-too:

aye, I agree on the moviedb for movies and tvdb for series

[16:24:20]

Peitolm:

sphery: i'll try and drop them a line, i can't be the only mythtv user that will ask about it

[16:24:39]

sphery:

yeah, I'm sure as they get more and more users, they'll need to come up with something official

[16:24:47]

dekarl-too:

was thinking of made for tv movies and scratching my head

[16:25:34]

sphery:

thanks for considering it, too--just figured since you seem to have an interest in it (and, presumably, have read other privacy policies/have an idea how they should be written), you might be a good person to help with it

[16:26:21]

sphery:

Peitolm: oh, and btw, both of those sites basically exist because the commercial sites (tv.com and imdb.com) are very unfriendly to F/LOSS community and basically "steal" any data that you give them

[16:26:21]

Peitolm:

np.

[16:26:45]

sphery:

so it's actually helping F/LOSS community and a Free (not just free) source of tv/movie data

[16:27:53]

sphery:

(copyrighted, but available under a Creative Commons license, as described on site)

[16:28:00]

Peitolm:

the second url you linked to, (the enhancing recordings) says it will be enabled by default with fresh installs of 0.25, will this be highlitghted in the installation documentation that this is what will happen (that myth will go and try and get metadata for each recording);

[16:28:25]

** Peitolm wonders what the studios will say about the posters and banner art **

[16:28:29]

sphery:

I'm guessing it will only really be mentioned in the release notes

[16:29:08]

sphery:

oh, and there are discussions of do-s/don't-s/licensing/copyright for posters and art on the forums

[16:30:17]

Peitolm:

sweepstake on the first user to complain about privacy violations? "bwahh, you're telling them i've got every episode of <insert potentially questionable series here> recorded"

[16:30:37]

sphery:

yeah

[16:30:56]

sphery:

or "you're telling them that I've stolen copies of movies that haven't been released, yet"

[16:31:15]

sphery:

but, if the latter, I don't mind that they're leaving a footprint

[16:31:56]

sphery:

if the former--and they're just embarrassed/don't want to broadcast their affection for Dancing With The Stars--I understand why they might want to know what happens to that info :)

[16:32:28]

Peitolm:

indeed

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Peitolm:

i was going to say 'x factor' or 'strictly come dine with me'

[16:32:45]

Peitolm:

or something

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sphery:

hehe

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** Peitolm knows that if he was setting something like that up, he just wouldn't log the requests at all **

[16:34:35]

Peitolm:

having had to deal with the US 5 year log retention policy, it's a pain

[16:34:38]

sphery:

yeah, I'm guessing there's very little logging and/or logs are rotated and/or deleted frequently

[16:34:50]

sphery:

but only the site admins could provide real info

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sphery:

so it will likely involve starting a discussion on the forum and offering to help write up a policy

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Peitolm:

a thread will be started once i get my account enabled

[16:36:51]

Peitolm:

do mythtv users need to do anything extra than enable the jobs on the backend, i saw some reference to user/dev accounts on the forums

[16:37:07]

sphery:

no, no accounts required

[16:37:47]

sphery:

in the future, when we provide UI for updating and sending back data on the show, they would need at least a user account

[16:38:00]

sphery:

not sure what the wiki was talking about, though

[16:38:50]

Peitolm:

it was the only match for 'privacy' and there hadn't been any replies

[16:39:02]

Peitolm:

I was at work, so trying to deal with SSL issues at the same time,

[16:41:19]

Peitolm:

Number of episodes:

[16:41:21]

Peitolm:

oops

[16:41:28]

Peitolm:

10101 , nice binary number

[16:41:59]

Peitolm:

wonder what version i first ran then, if my recordings go back 7 years, 11 months

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Peitolm:

sphery: http://forums.thetvdb.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=8155

[17:05:53]

sphery:

thx

[17:07:01]

Peitolm:

sphery: do you know what error code 128 is for mythmetadatalookup ?

[17:07:51]

sphery:

not sure

[17:08:29]

sphery:

#define GENERIC_EXIT_NOT_OK 128 ///< Exited with error

[17:08:55]

Peitolm:

ah

[17:08:58]

sphery:

so you'd have to see where that's returned

[17:09:13]

Peitolm:

hmm, i should check to see if it has a higher verbosity level

[17:10:14]

Peitolm:

ok., looks like it doesn't have the python bindings installed

[17:10:40]

sphery:

look at --loglevel and --verbose in any mythtv app's --help output

[17:15:00]

sphery:

and assuming you're using logging properly--i.e. without --logfile, but using --logpath to point to a directory--you can just increase the loglevel/verbosity of the app that runs mythmetadata lookup (mythbackend, I think)

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Peitolm:

yeah, i found the error by running the command manually

[17:21:07]

wagnerrp:

bah... hes back

[17:21:22]

wagnerrp:

i guess that means he took the weekend off?

[17:23:02]

sphery:

this the guy who thinks listings data should be free of charge

[17:23:15]

wagnerrp:

no, the guy spamming the wiki with unused accounts

[17:23:18]

sphery:

ahhh

[17:23:29]

sphery:

well, even spammers deserve a weekend ;)

[17:23:55]

antnash_:

Hey guys. When I run a scan for channels nothing gets detected. The signal/noise bar just goes absolutely mental

[17:24:26]

sphery:

antnash_: you likely need to increase the tuning and signal timeouts for the capture card in mythtv-setup

[17:24:40]

antnash_:

right, ta

[17:24:51]

sphery:

and s/n and ber and ... are usually not very useful with various cards

[17:24:56]

sphery:

so you can likely just ignore it :)

[17:25:33]

antnash_:

sphery, I've got them set to 60000 and 62500 at the mo

[17:26:12]

sphery:

that should be plenty...

[17:26:14]

antnash_:

now 60k and 65k

[17:26:20]

wagnerrp:

s/plenty/overkill/

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sphery:

well, for USB OFDB devices, the default is 40k and 42.5k, so maybe not overkill :)

[17:28:17]

antnash_:

It's still just sitting there with signal/noise going crazy between (from what I can make out in the fraction of a second I have) about 20% and 80%

[17:28:37]

wagnerrp:

sphery: as in 40 seconds?

[17:28:44]

sphery:

yep

[17:28:52]

sphery:

it's USB :)

[17:29:09]

sphery:

https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . ce.cpp#L3474 for DVB devices

[17:29:14]

antnash_:

mine's not. Mine's PCIe

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sphery:

couple other sections set timeouts for others... most are much less (less than 10k)

[17:30:41]

sphery:

what standard?

[17:30:51]

sphery:

satellite or?

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antnash_:

DVB-S2

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sphery:

do you have CI/CAM involved?

[17:31:06]

antnash_:

nope

[17:31:15]

antnash_:

FTA only

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sphery:

DVB-S2 defaults to 7k/10k...

[17:31:40]

sphery:

have you verified the cards work in <not mythtv> app?

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antnash_:

yup

[17:32:53]

sphery:

and what version of mythtv?

[17:33:11]

antnash_:

Just installed mythbuntu 11.10

[17:33:11]

sphery:

I think there were some problems with satellite scanning/data in some versions

[17:33:24]

sphery:

you'll need to update to latest 0.24-fixes, then...

[17:33:31]

antnash_:

ah

[17:33:33]

sphery:

http://www.mythbuntu.org/repos

[17:33:41]

sphery:

don't know if that will fix it, but it's a better place to start

[17:33:57]

sphery:

use the latest 0.24.1 (I think that's what they call it)

[17:34:28]

sphery:

(not 0.25/0.25pre/unstable/devvelopment/master/whatever that's called)

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antnash_:

cool, ta

[17:36:05]

antnash_:

and how do I do a complete reconfigure of Myth? I just noticed it's got me down as having cards 5–8 now instead of 1–4

[17:36:40]

sphery:

best is mythtv-setup, then Delete all capture cards (not Delete all capture cards on <hostname>)

[17:36:53]

antnash_:

ohhh right

[17:36:55]

antnash_:

gotcha

[17:36:56]

sphery:

with 5–8, you mean their IDs?

[17:37:04]

sphery:

not that it's showing 8 where you expected only 4

[17:37:29]

sphery:

(i.e. with multirec, you'd get 2x as many virtual cards as you have physical cards, so having 2x what you expect may be correct)

[17:37:36]

antnash_:

yeah, I think I did delete all cards on server

[17:37:45]

sphery:

yeah, Delete all capture cards will reset ids

[17:37:53]

sphery:

makes it a lot easier to configure/maintain

[17:37:54]

antnash_:

I have 2 tuners, each set to 2 virtuals

[17:38:07]

sphery:

(at least until we properly change it so users don't ever see internal MythTV data :)

[17:38:12]

sphery:

cool

[17:38:18]

sphery:

so, yeah, that's the approach you want

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antnash_:

Right

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antnash_:

Installing repos now

[17:39:11]

antnash_:

I really hope this works

[17:40:23]

antnash_:

If 0.24 doesn't work, is it worth trying 0.25?

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sphery:

if it's a brand new install and you've never used mythtv before, you could try it (and, if it doesn't work, delete/restore the pre-upgrade database and then go back to 0.24-fixes)

[17:43:26]

sphery:

if you use unstable/development code, we expect you'll follow the -dev and -commits mailing lists (which means a lot of reading to keep up) and figure out your own issues/not report bugs on works in progress and such

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antnash_:

Hey sphery, it's saying there's no updates for me

[17:57:18]

sphery:

not sure what to try next...

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sphery:

I haven't done any dvb-s*

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sphery:

could look for reports at http://code.mythtv.org/ and/or in the mailing list archives http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine? . . . ;list=mythtv

[17:58:11]

antnash_:

well this is strange. now when I try a dvb-apps scan it doesn't find anything

[17:58:22]

antnash_:

But before, it was

[17:58:37]

antnash_:

I'm pretty sure that my head is about to explode

[18:03:44]

sphery:

hehe, this is the challenge of getting all the prerequisites working for a complex system like MythTV

[18:04:54]

sphery:

(not to mention configuring MythTV--which is designed to allow use with a variety of different systems, making it much more difficult to configure than an "out-of-the-box" solution like TiVo or cable-/satellite-company DVR)

[18:05:36]

sphery:

but, IMHO, in the end, it's well worthwhile--as long as you see it as a hobby (versus a "cheap" DVR--since it's expensive, in both time and hardware costs, especially if done right)

[18:06:30]

antnash_:

Not that expensive in costs I don't think

[18:06:47]

antnash_:

or less that what it would be for all the seperate pieces.

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antnash_:

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Peitolm:

sphery: slightly confusing response from Coco,

[18:12:14]

sphery:

Peitolm: maybe if you offer to draft (or just post a "proposed draft" privacy policy) to that thread, they'll help get it finalized to the point it can be posted on the website or wiki

[18:13:11]

sphery:

I firmly believe that it will never exist until some user writes it--much easier for most people to edit/correct others' writing than to sit down and write something (especially if it's something they're not interested in writing)

[18:13:26]

sphery:

and it would be a good thing to have

[18:13:34]

sphery:

(for you and the community)

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MrPaco:

hi all people

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MrPaco:

im using appswith to watch mythtv and xbmc, but the last version of mythtv autorestart all times the mythfrontend and i cant find the option to disable this feature

[18:58:00]

wagnerrp:

appswith?

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MrPaco:

yes, is for jump to each program with one button from the remote

[18:58:34]

wagnerrp:

mythtv does not autorestart

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MrPaco:

each time i use this buttton, the script closes myth and start xbmc

[18:59:00]

wagnerrp:

if an application terminates, it stays terminated until something restarts it

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MrPaco:

or close xbmc and start mythfrontend

[18:59:24]

MrPaco:

http://code.google.com/p/yatvgrabber/wiki/XbmcMythtvRemote

[18:59:54]

MrPaco:

im poor with scripting and i have this problem with the latest version of mythtv

[19:00:09]

Peitolm:

or run both, and switch between Virtual terminals :)

[19:00:10]

tgm4883:

sounds like you have mythbuntu

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tgm4883:

since we do that

[19:00:12]

wagnerrp:

im saying mythtv does not exhibit the behavior you are describing

[19:00:16]

MrPaco:

yes i have mythbuntu

[19:00:29]

wagnerrp:

likely possibility is you are not actually running mythfrontend

[19:00:42]

wagnerrp:

but running some application that in turn runs mythfrontend, and restarts it upon a failure

[19:00:49]

MrPaco:

hmm

[19:00:51]

wagnerrp:

like the wrapper scripts mythbuntu uses

[19:01:02]

MrPaco:

i`m not good reading that script

[19:01:25]

MrPaco:

with mythtv 0.23 and this script i can jump easy to each app

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wagnerrp:

you can add menu entries to mythtv for starting external applications

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MrPaco:

but with mythv 0.24 each time i use that script (appswitch) the problem is when the script closes mythfrinted, then

[19:02:14]

wagnerrp:

when you start an external application in such a manner, mythtv will reject any further IR input until that application terminates

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MrPaco:

hmmm

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MrPaco:

ii`m reading wagnerrp

[19:02:47]

MrPaco:

is there any guide for do that in mythtv wiki?

[19:03:04]

wagnerrp:

sphery: you have a link for the menu xml handy?

[19:03:41]

wagnerrp:

nevermind, found it

[19:03:48]

wagnerrp:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Menu_theme_develop . . . Helpful_Tips

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MrPaco:

hmm

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MrPaco:

for do that i have to use in action "XBMC </action> only?

[19:05:19]

MrPaco:

and assign any button

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wagnerrp:

you would add that small block to your menu xml, which would add an entry to your main menu

[19:06:14]

wagnerrp:

so from mythtv's menu, you would select the "Open XBMC" option

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wagnerrp:

mythtv would execute XBMC, and ignore any further inputs until that application terminated

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MrPaco:

ok

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MrPaco:

thank wagnerrp for your suppot

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MrPaco:

support

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simcop2387:

I would like to trigger a job to be run on every recording, is there any simple way of doing that? I've got about 1,200 of them to do it on.

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wagnerrp:

from MythTV import Recorded, Job; for rec in Recorded.getAllEntries(): Job.fromRecorded(rec, Job.USERJOB1)

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simcop2387:

wagnerrp: thanks, i figured i'd have to do something like that but i just don't know the python api. i'm setting up a transcoding job that'll let me do streaming to some other players in the house. i wonder how long this'll take...

[19:19:00]

sphery:

simcop2387: or, Watch Recordings, select All Programs, MENU (twice if you're not actually on All Programs), Add this group to the playlist, MENU (once or twice), then Playlist Options|Jobs...

[19:19:12]

simcop2387:

hmm

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simcop2387:

sphery: neat

[19:19:22]

** sphery hates the "hit MENU once or twice depending on what you see" **

[19:19:51]

sphery:

I remember when an action performed an action rather than performing different actions depending on where you were

[19:19:57]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: somehow i doubt Bob Sully would like your contractor rates

[19:20:14]

sphery:

contractors want to be free

[19:20:27]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: I would probably be more interested if Android were C-ish

[19:20:35]

simcop2387:

sphery: actually that might be nicer so that i can do a show at a time, at current encoding speeds this'll take probably about 500–600 hours.

[19:20:49]

iamlindoro:

I am not averse to doing a port-- but not as excited about buying hardware/rewriting the API wrapper library I've written for Cocoa

[19:20:53]

wagnerrp:

i thought android were c-ish

[19:21:02]

wagnerrp:

that writing in their java-ish langauge was optional

[19:21:14]

sphery:

well, Android is Java-ish and Java is C-ish, so it's like you're writing in C's second cousin

[19:21:23]

iamlindoro:

Not unlike Obj-C

[19:21:34]

wagnerrp:

once removed

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sphery:

yeah, I think you can do native code in android, but not sure how

[19:21:53]

iamlindoro:

All in all, I actually love XCode/Objective C... minus memory management

[19:22:00]

sphery:

hehe, yeah, I was never good with familial relationship labeling

[19:22:19]

iamlindoro:

that said, as much as I don't like doing manual memory management, XCode includes tools to tell you exactly where you've gone wrong

[19:22:55]

wagnerrp:

C is java's father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roomate

[19:23:05]

iamlindoro:

What does that make us?

[19:23:10]

wagnerrp:

absolutely nothing

[19:23:15]

sphery:

I am your father, Java!

[19:23:26]

sphery:

*wheeze* *wheeze*

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iamlindoro:

!trout sphery quotefail

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** MythLogBot slaps sphery with a quotefail trout on behalf of iamlindoro... **

[19:23:35]

sphery:

hehe

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iamlindoro:

The correct answer was

[19:23:41]

iamlindoro:

"Which is what you are about to become!"

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sphery:

seems I need to re-watch Spaceballs

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wizbit:

i updated my system, re-compiled my kernel so the mce remote device driver is used, but now my remote triple hits every key

[20:10:40]

wagnerrp:

so alter your lircrc to squelch repeats

[20:10:48]

wizbit:

i did that

[20:10:51]

wizbit:

i removed all repeats

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wagnerrp:

huh?

[20:11:22]

wagnerrp:

you mean there were 'repeat = n' lines, and you removed them?

[20:11:25]

wizbit:

E486: Pattern not found: repeat

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wizbit:

i removed them all

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wagnerrp:

what do you think that line does?

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wizbit:

repeats the command?

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wagnerrp:

no

[20:12:24]

wagnerrp:

it means, only send one in N events through to the program

[20:12:36]

wagnerrp:

if you receive one keypress in sequence, one event gets sent

[20:12:45]

wagnerrp:

if you receive N keypresses in sequence, one event gets sent

[20:12:54]

wagnerrp:

if you receive N+1 keypresses in sequence, two events get sent

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wizbit:

oh so i required those lines

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wizbit:

repeat = 3 = send 1 in 3 events to the program ?

[20:14:03]

wagnerrp:

there are actually two options, 'repeat' and 'delay'

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wizbit:

my remote was working fine before, but a kernel upgrade messed things up

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wagnerrp:

'repeat = 3' means send one out of every three events

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wagnerrp:

'delay = 5' means only send one event for the first five presses in sequence, and then obey the repeat rule

[20:15:30]

wagnerrp:

so 'repeat=5\ndelay=1' would emulate the keyboard repeat behavior

[20:15:41]

wagnerrp:

backwards... 'delay=5\nrepeat=1'

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wizbit:

i must of been using a different mce driver before

[20:16:19]

wagnerrp:

where pressing the key would mean one event, but after holding it in for a brief period, it repeats very fast

[20:16:25]

wagnerrp:

this is generic LIRC behavior

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wizbit:

ok

[20:16:35]

wagnerrp:

it has nothing to do with the IR driver

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wizbit:

i wonder why it was working before

[20:17:03]

wizbit:

*how

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sphery:

note that the default value for repeat is 0, meaning repeats are ignored

[20:18:11]

sphery:

but you may actually want repeats

[20:18:43]

sphery:

and it sounds a lot like the real problem here isn't that lirc is sending 3x the events, but that your remote is being used by lirc and non-lirc stuff (such as the kernel's input layer)

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sphery:

so the kernel is sending keypresses to mythtv and lirc is sending an event

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wizbit:

ohhh

[20:19:23]

wizbit:

i better turn off lirc

[20:19:51]

sphery:

if you turn off lirc and still get (some) buttons recognized in mythtv, that means you have to choose one or the other way of sending keys

[20:20:21]

sphery:

I highly recommend using lirc--but you have to configure it so that it is the only consumer of the kernel's input events (so the kernel doesn't send those as keystrokes to mythtv, et. al.)

[20:20:39]

sphery:

use the "normal" buttons as tests--things like numbers and such

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wizbit:

i better turn off the kernel layer then

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sphery:

start by turning off lirc--that's easy to do

[20:21:13]

sphery:

then, if you still see button presses, fix it properly

[20:21:23]

sphery:

gotta find out what is causing it before you can fix it, so test my theory

[20:21:28]

wizbit:

pkill lirc

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iamlindoro:

Gah, Jimmy Wales

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wizbit:

no more repeats!

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iamlindoro:

ugly face up on the web again

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wagnerrp:

that the wikipedia guy?

[20:22:00]

iamlindoro:

yes, making wikipedia creepy since 2010

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sphery:

hey, at least he refused to let the facebook/twitter/web 2.0 garbage onto wikipedia pages

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wizbit:

sphery: pkill lirc, the double hits have now stopped, but not all keys work. so now ill have to figure out how to stop the kernel sending events

[20:23:24]

sphery:

wizbit: yep, that's exactly what's happening, then

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sphery:

ttbomk, you just set a /sys entry that tells the kernel to only let lirc use the inputs

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sphery:

figuring out details and doing such are left as an exercise to the reader

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wizbit:

aye, thanks for your help :D

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dekarl-too:

sphery: could he not edit the mythtv key bindings know the "multimedia keys", too?

[20:24:47]

sphery:

if he wants to change the keys that he has to hit on his keyboards

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dekarl-too:

... so they know the kecs, too ...

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sphery:

and reconfigure key bindings on every single mythtv system that runs GUI apps (mythtv-setup and mythfrontend)

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sphery:

he can do it that wya

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sphery:

but LIRC is actually designed for this purpose, so, IMHO... :)

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dekarl-too:

ahh, been using inputlirc with my last backend, thought I might as well leave it out of the loop completely

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sphery:

I'm just a fan of configuring my remote to work with my apps

[20:26:43]

sphery:

rather than configuring my apps to work with my remote

[20:26:47]

sphery:

that way when I switch remotes...

[20:26:57]

sphery:

plus I have only one remote, but I have many apps

[20:27:22]

sphery:

anyway, I know that many think LIRC is a "waste", but I'm firmly on the side that LIRC is the right way to do things

[20:27:30]

sphery:

i.e. it's the Unix-y way, not the Windows way

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wizbit:

sphery: i might re-compile the kernel and disable some ir features

[20:27:42]

sphery:

but seems more and more want the Windows way

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sphery:

wizbit: to do it properly, it takes a single command

[20:28:21]

sphery:

and properly isn't disabling IR features

[20:28:28]

sphery:

it's just configuring the system properly

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iamlindoro:

c'mon, it's a great solution

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iamlindoro:

just like I solved that hard drive corruptiong with rm -rf /

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dekarl-too:

sphery: I'm not opposed to LIRC per se, but with remotes becoming first class citizen or the input layer I don't see the point in abstracting it multiple times

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sphery:

dekarl-too: because the alternative is to configure multiple apps multiple times on multiple systems

[20:29:51]

sphery:

lirc provides a remote button to action mapping

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wizbit:

<*> Enable IR to LIRC bridge

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sphery:

which means you can use any keyboard key to action mapping

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wizbit:

i will turn that off

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sphery:

wizbit: you're doing it wrong

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wizbit:

eek

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sphery:

Google is your friend...

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sphery:

lirc kernel dev input

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sphery:

many other similar searches

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sphery:

like I said, you're one command away from having everything working properly with lirc

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dekarl-too:

I don't get it :( The new input layer just allows to add "KEY_GREEN" to the "Green button" mapping and "KEY_INFO" to "Info", etc. No need to manually configure each and every remote. And after all most users should be clicking "I have a Grey Hauppauge Remote" (or whatever it really is) in the installer :D

[20:33:34]

dekarl-too:

but either way will do

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: you may find this interesting... http://li5.ziti.uni-heidelberg.de/x264gpu/

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sphery:

dekarl-too: input layer allows you to forego configuring /etc/lircd.conf... lirc allows you to use ~/.lircrc

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sphery:

.lircrc is good

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sphery:

/etc/lircd is the only redundant part

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sphery:

er, /etc/lircd.conf

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sphery:

.lircrc allows you to specify what each button on your remote does in individual apps

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sphery:

versus changing all apps so that KEY_PLAY is used to play

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sphery:

(where MythTV uses P, by default for PLAY, not KEY_PLAY)

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Beirdo:

nice

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sphery:

that's my belief, though

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Beirdo:

that would be cool for gputrans when the time comes

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dekarl-too:

I see your point, but adding KEY_PLAY in addition to P for the default key bindings won't hurt either

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sphery:

anyway, I'll agree that lirc with raw device drivers provides 2 levels of abstraction where the vast majority of users have no need for one (that would be the /etc/lircd.conf one)

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wizbit:

echo lirc > /sys/class/rc/rc0/protocols

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Beirdo:

which may well end up being a rewrite of mythtranscode :)

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sphery:

but the other is still useful

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sphery:

wizbit: that's looking about right :)

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sphery:

that general area

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sphery:

or maybe exactly right

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antnash:

Hi guys. Can you guys tell me what linux distros you're on?

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dekarl-too:

antnash: for new installs its Mythbuntu ;)

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antnash:

dekarl-too, I'm having issues with mythbuntu

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dekarl-too:

I'm about to head out, but you'll get more help if you specify "issues" a bit more precise (and maybe in #mythbuntu)

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antnash:

Yeah, just wanted to see if anyone had any other preferences for distros with dvb compatibility

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sphery:

antnash: yeah, mythbuntu isn't likely the issue (as it's a very good distro with very good support for mythtv)--it's more likely your dvb-s2 config/card/drivers/...

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antnash:

sphery, it works in OpenELEC (www.openelec.tv)

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sphery:

antnash: are you sure you configured it properly--like http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/DVB-S

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sphery:

you have to do the diseqc tree properly and lots of other stuff

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sphery:

dvb-s* config is the most challenging of mythtv capture card configs

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antnash:

well using scan on Astra-28.2E used to actually find channels, and for some reason it's stopped.

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antnash:

It's not the card, as I've tested it in my openelec box with tvheadend and it's fine

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sphery:

yeah, I'm not sure about scan/dvb-utils stuff

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antnash:

I really do wanna know why the hell it would just suddenly stop finding channels with scan

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sphery:

not sure

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sphery:

maybe driver changes or something?

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antnash:

could my graphics card be interfering with it?

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sphery:

if it stopped right after adding the mythbuntu repos?

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antnash:

nope. before

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sphery:

no ideas then

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antnash:

time for ANOTHER reinstall then. Grrrr

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antnash:

then I'll just install the stuff for my dvb card and dvb apps

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Peitolm:

now that I'm runing 0.95-pre, and i have series and episode information populated by thetvdb.com, i was looking to see if there's a way of getting it exported out via DNLA, I found http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9462 which indicates that 10 months ago it wasn't possible, looking in https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . cdsvideo.cpp it seems that the code now retrieves season and episode from

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antnash:

and install everything bit by bit from there

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scratchrf:

what about using a tivo just for the hardware with mythtv? i see so many used ones on craigslist for cheap...

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wagnerrp:

no

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wizbit:

sphery: that works!

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wizbit:

thanks :D

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** wizbit marks sphery with the clever stick **

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wagnerrp:

scratchrf: TiVo units are every bit as powerful as a mid-90s PC

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wizbit:

so thats it then, a diskless pxe netbooting slackware frontend :D

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Peitolm:

ah, season and episode don't appear to be sent to the client for some reason

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wagnerrp:

0.95-pre?

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wagnerrp:

0.25?

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Peitolm:

sorry, yes

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Peitolm:

minor typo

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sphery:

wizbit: cool, glad you've got it working

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scratchrf:

wagnerrp: but if i only have crappy computers and limited funds, wouldn't a 20 dollar used tivo be a cheap way to get some hw that can do the vid decode/encode?

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wagnerrp:

sure, if there were drivers available to access that decoder hardware

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wagnerrp:

but there arent

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scratchrf:

oh

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wagnerrp:

so we cant use them

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wagnerrp:

its the same problem with <insert any ARM system>

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scratchrf:

ahhh.....

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scratchrf:

gotcha

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wagnerrp:

basically, in order to use such a thing, there need to be hardware drivers to present an interface, and playback code to access that interface

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wagnerrp:

on mythtv, youve got VDPAU, VAAPI, and CrystalHD

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wagnerrp:

VDPAU is nVidia's system, supported by mythtv, and supported by nVidia

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wagnerrp:

VAAPI is used by Intel and AMD, with middling support for Intel, and unreliable support from AMD

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wagnerrp:

crystalhd is used by a series of broadcom decoder chips, supported by mythtv, but with linux driver support all but abandoned by broadcom

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scratchrf:

so does a device like: Hauppauge 01200 WinTV-HVR-850 USB2.0 Hybrid Video Recorder 1200 (HAUP1200)

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wagnerrp:

is that a question?

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scratchrf:

have it's own chip? sorry for so many q's, i suck at a/v, but i'm looking for something like a TOE on a high end network card, or a gpu on a vid card, right?

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wagnerrp:

that is a capture device

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wagnerrp:

it cannot be used for video output

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wagnerrp:

there are tuner cards capable of video output, called 'full featured' cards

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wagnerrp:

but they were very expensive, and fell out of favor long ago as PCs gained enough power to do decoding on their own

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justinh:

not forgetting the fact that mythtv has never supported any 'fully-featured' digital tuner – and pvr350 decoding support went the way of the dodo a while ago

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scratchrf:

maybe i'm violating the law of 3's. i want cheap, usb, and off-board processing

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scratchrf:

for my situation, but don't know enough about this stuff to find it, or it's just not possible

[21:26:43]

scratchrf:

since all i have are laptops that have...less than stellar specs

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sphery:

my $0.02 is that nvidia-based graphics card with vdpau support is the best solution for "my computer can't handle it" decoding and display of video

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wagnerrp:

of course youre not adding nvidia graphics to a laptop

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scratchrf:

exactly

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scratchrf:

maybe i should stop whining and just wait till i have the money to get a purpose-built box for this

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sphery:

but taking it one step farther, MythTV--a high-end, luxury DVR--is not a good program for use with a less-than-capable computer system

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scratchrf:

something quiet like my mac mini but newer and with a vid capture card

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scratchrf:

oh, i glossed *right over that section of the wiki ;) cuz you know, i can make it work... *cough

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wagnerrp:

on the other hand, you could get a big cheap PC, drill a whole in the floor or wall

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sphery:

fwiw, you can do a very nice core i3 or athlon II dual-core system with nvidia graphics that's quite capable for relatively cheap

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wagnerrp:

and run wires to it from somewhere you cant see or hear

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wagnerrp:

small, quiet, and expensive cant beat invisible and inaudible

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sphery:

and I'm a /big/ fan of build it big, and ugly (to get cheap) and run a wire to the TV/speakers

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sphery:

my computers are generally < $200--and none are toys, like the Atom-based systems

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scratchrf:

hmmm less than 200....

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sphery:

granted, for MythTV, I've added 6 physical tuners for digital capture and a bunch of large HDDs

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sphery:

when you factor those in (including replacement HDDs over the years), I'm sure I've spent a few thousand dollars on my mythtv system

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sphery:

and I always buy inexpensive--I don't buy HDDs based on name or "I once bought a <insert vendor name> HDD and it failed, so all <vendor> HDDs must be terrible" prejudices

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sphery:

MythTV is not generally an inexpensive DVR, IMHO--I know I'd have saved a lot of money by just getting the $10/mo DVR from a cable/satellite company

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sphery:

(and you tend to get from MythTV what you put into it--so the less you put into it, the less likely it will be better than that $10/mo DVR from your TV provider)

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scratchrf:

but that's no fun, renting from the cable company

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sphery:

that said, it's a good fit for me--as I want a hobby, chance to learn, and chance to do things my way, even if it costs my 5–10 times as much as using an out-of-the-box solution

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sphery:

but you can start small... get a $200 dual-core Athlon II or Core i3 system with nvidia GT210 or GT220 or GT430 or ... and a nice-sized HDD and a PCIe capture card (like a $50 one-tuner system, such as the (ATSC) HVR-1250 or a $100 two-tuner system, such as the (ATSC) HVR-2250)

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dekarl:

looking at upnpcdsvideo.cpp that Peit olm mentioned... this looks strange "pItem->SetPropValue( "actor" , "[Unknown Author]" );" should be "author", "[Unknown Author]" from the context

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scratchrf:

i'm thinking i should wait for the $200 starting point

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scratchrf:

and quit half-ass'ing

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sphery:

scratchrf: what tv format are you looking at? ATSC

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scratchrf:

uh....i live in san diego and have cox cable?

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scratchrf:

whatever they have

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wagnerrp:

i thought you were going broadcast only

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sphery:

ok, so ATSC/QAM, assuming digital... only other option would be analog standard definition with something like a Hauppauge PVR-150

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sphery:

while you might be able to repurpose garbage hardware for standard-def, NTSC-style video, the end result is terrible quality video and, IMHO, you're probably better off just doing it right with digital and/or high-definition capture with a reasonable system

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scratchrf:

i have a coax cable split off from the main one going into my room, that's all i know :)

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sphery:

(granted, you could be using HD-PVR or HDHR Prime or whatever rather than using ClearQAM capture--but the point of my asking was to figure out if you were going to be SDTV only or if you might also have HDTV)

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wagnerrp:

of course the Prime overshoots his whole computer budget, and he still doesnt have any machines capable of playing content from it reliably

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

about the same with the HD-PVR

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scratchrf:

i wish there was a usb version of the \Hauppauge PVR-150

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wagnerrp:

PVR-USB2

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wagnerrp:

and HVR-1950

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sphery:

scratchrf: btw, you might be interested in reading some of http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Executive_Overview and http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Digital_Cable for more background/to help with planning

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scratchrf:

ok, thanks

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scratchrf:

okay, so that 1950 is 100 bucks....

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wagnerrp:

you will be able to play analog recordings with it, but will struggle on anything HD

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sphery:

yeah, you could easily overshoot the cost of a nice computer to run mythbackend and play back recordings with capture cards and/or the storage for the recordings

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sphery:

the <$200 systems I was talking about don't include the cost of capture cards or recordings HDDs

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sphery:

but since you need the capture cards and HDDs regardless of which computer you run it on that just means that getting a useful system could be <$200 more than repurposing old (not-necessarily-useful-for-mythtv) equipment

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wizbit:

sphery: its all working nice, but the kernel creates a _LOT_ of logging for the remote

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wizbit:

Nov 14 22:13:08 tv-1 kernel: [ 2643.778207] mceusb 3–1:1.0: rx data: 9f 01 01 (length=3)

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wizbit:

etc

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justinh:

heheheh

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justinh:

maybe needs a -nolog module option

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justinh:

or something

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justinh:

sphery: just bosh some USB sticks found as giveaways into LVM. Sorted!

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wizbit:

justinh: maybe i need to compile it as a M rather than *, so i can add options it when i activate it

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justinh:

oo I'd never build junk like that into a kernel. yikes

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jya:

taylorr: did you try with alsa lib 1.0.22 ?

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tripppy:

hi all

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tripppy:

what the best way to make two different tuners record only some channels each? IE HD and SD tuner don't want the HD tuner being used if its SD channel

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dekarl:

if you want two different tuners to receive different channels you'll end up with two video sources sooner or later

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dekarl:

but what is the difference between a HD tuners and a SD tuner?

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tripppy:

one of my tuners(1) picks up high def channels perfectly, the other tuner(2) doesnt very well,

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tripppy:

high def, standard def

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tripppy:

i want tuner(1) to only handle 5 channels(HD) and the other tuner(2) to look after SD channels

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wagnerrp:

tripppy: explain your situation further, there is no such thing as an HD and SD tuner

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wagnerrp:

only digital and analog

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tripppy:

ok. ive got two USB dvb-t tuners

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wagnerrp:

and if you can record a channel digitally, you absolutely want to record a channel digitally

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tripppy:

one of the tuners picks up HD and SD channels

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tripppy:

the other tuner only picks up SD channels

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wagnerrp:

if you have two dvb-t tuners, then they can both record exactly the same set of channels

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tripppy:

no. they are different brands.

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tripppy:

im in australia.

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wagnerrp:

dvb-t is dvb-t, there is no difference

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tripppy:

one of them is an older usb tuner. and it doesnt pick up HD channels

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wagnerrp:

as far as the tuner is concerned, there is no such thing as an HD channel

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tripppy:

let me rephrase the question then

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wagnerrp:

all the tuner does is capture the bitstream, and filter it, before sending it over whatever interconnect it uses to attach to the system

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wagnerrp:

the only way a tuner would not be able to record certain channels is if its such an old POS that it simply doesnt have the bandwidth to send a high bitrate channel

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wagnerrp:

i.e. the thing is a decade old and uses USB1.1

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wagnerrp:

in such a case, it should be _thrown_away_

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tripppy:

i have 20 frequencies, how do i make one tuner exclusivly for 5 of those 20 frequencies

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wagnerrp:

now there are many blends of dvb

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wagnerrp:

dvb-t, dvb-t2, dvb-c, dvb-s, dvb-s2

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wagnerrp:

both tuners are actually dvb-t?

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tripppy:

yes

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tripppy:

ok. ive got two HD tuners now.

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wagnerrp:

no, you have two digital tuners

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tripppy:

usb 2.0

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wagnerrp:

there is no such thing as an hd tuner

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tripppy:

capable of HD

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tripppy:

sorry

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wagnerrp:

in order for resolution to factor into it, it must be analog

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wagnerrp:

and there have never been any HD analog broadcasts

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tripppy:

forget the HD stuff, im just trying to setup 5 channels to use the first tuner, and the other 15 channels to use only the 2nd tuner

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wagnerrp:

if you have two tuners with different channel sets, they must be on independent sources

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tripppy:

ok..

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tripppy:

now we're getting there

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wagnerrp:

you keep trying to push towards a solution to a problem that isnt there

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wagnerrp:

are you sure its not a signal strength issue?

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wagnerrp:

perhaps one card has a more sensitive tuner, so it can handle channels with lower strength?

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tripppy:

eh..... yeah.

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wagnerrp:

then the correct solution would be to get a bigger antenna, or change your antenna alignment, or get an amplifier

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sphery:

wizbit: you've likely enabled some debug option in the kernel driver when you configured the kernel

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tripppy:

wagnerrp: its all setup fine. had my electrican father do all that. even got a signal meter in.

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wagnerrp:

was that before or after you split the antenna feed out to multiple tuners?

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tripppy:

he checked signal strenght on all outputs

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wagnerrp:

what are the two tuners?

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tripppy:

ive had a varible atenuater in there aswell

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wagnerrp:

perhaps a bad crimp on one of the patch cables, try swapping them

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tripppy:

oh yeah... i made 2 new cables aswell

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tripppy:

just incase.

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tripppy:

works fine with VLC

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tripppy:

dvb_usb_dib0700

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tripppy:

both cards are this

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tripppy:

module

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tripppy:

one is eyetv diversity.

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tripppy:

other is chinese realtek.

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tripppy:

i can be more specific if you wish

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wagnerrp:

im guessing the generic chinese tuner cant receive these additional channels?

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tripppy:

nah. they both pickup all channels but the black chinese tuner handles the HD channels better

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tripppy:

i thnk cause other one is diversity shiet

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wagnerrp:

handles them better... so they can both record all the channels

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tripppy:

when the diversity tries HD recording it comes out blocky

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wagnerrp:

i would talk to the linuxtv people

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tripppy:

ok.

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wagnerrp:

perhaps the firmware you are loading is not properly set up to handle the diversity tuner

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tripppy:

wagnerrp: thanks for you help.

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tripppy:

your

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wagnerrp:

s/tuner/antenna/

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tripppy:

shit

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tripppy:

too early in morning

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wagnerrp:

please watch your language in this channel

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wagnerrp:

sphery: apparently VIA is releasing a new dual-core processor and chipset

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wagnerrp:

to compete with the mediocre likes of Atom and Fusion

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sphery:

ah, fun, more of that

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