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Wednesday, November 9th, 2011, 00:08 UTC

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Jester86-Laptop:

when i try to swtich to my HDPVR input i'm getting a signal reading of 50% and eventually it times out

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Jester86-Laptop:

any ideas?

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Jester86-Laptop:

OS: Mythbuntu, MythVersion: 0.24

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J-e-f-f-A:

Jester86-Laptop: No idea... I only use the Component inputs on my HD-PVRs...

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J-e-f-f-A:

Jester86-Laptop: And as far as remotely restarting – nope – some folks have created software-controlled AC switches to power-cycle them with a shell command...

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J-e-f-f-A:

Jester86-Laptop: I haven't done that yet – I only seem to get a problem with them locking up once in a wile – usually only once or twice a month.

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Jester86-Laptop:

J-e-f-f-A, i think i figured out how to cycle the PVR

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Jester86-Laptop:

I'm going to power it from the outlet on my cablebox

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ah, that would do it. ;-)

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Jester86-Laptop:

have the cablebox turn off after recording and turn bck on

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Jester86-Laptop:

but.. I cant even get input in from my HDPVR

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Jester86-Laptop:

don't know what the issue is. I thought I had it correctly installed/configured

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Jester86-Laptop:

when i switch to that input in live-tv it just says 0% signal and eventually goes to the timeout screen

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Jester86-Laptop:

any ideas J-e-f-f-A ?

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J-e-f-f-A:

*although* – that may or may not work – depending on when the backend connects to the hd-pvr – every time I power-cycle my hD-PVRs, I bounce the backend to re-connect to them.

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Jester86-Laptop:

hmm

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J-e-f-f-A:

Make sure you have audio connected – it won't capture video if there's no audio signal IIRC... I use Component video and Optical audio. Make sure your settings are correct too.

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Jester86-Laptop:

J-e-f-f-A, thats the exact configuration i have

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Jester86-Laptop:

.. and no dice

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J-e-f-f-A:

Perhaps – check to be sure your STB doesn't have a setting to select the Optical audio out... And make sure you selected the right audio input...

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J-e-f-f-A:

In the tuner setup: Default Input: Component Audio Input: SPDIF

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Jester86-Laptop:

J-e-f-f-A, all of that configuration occurs in mythtv-setup right.. no config files i need to mess with

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J-e-f-f-A:

right

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Jester86-Laptop:

yeah J-e-f-f-A i have it set to component and SPDIF

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J-e-f-f-A:

I have my timeout set to 3000 (3 seconds) – not sure if that's the default or not.

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Jester86-Laptop:

under inputs I have the preset set blank.. channel change is /bin/true faking it for now

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Jester86-Laptop:

and the current channel was set for 0, i just changed it to 2 and still nothing

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J-e-f-f-A:

Do you have listings?

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Jester86-Laptop:

what did you set starting channel to?

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J-e-f-f-A:

And is "2" a valid channel?

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Jester86-Laptop:

by default mine went to zero, i changed it to 2

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Jester86-Laptop:

and yes, 2 should be.. i'll try 14 just to be safe

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Jester86-Laptop:

it doesn't require its own input group does it?

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J-e-f-f-A:

It has to be a 'valid' channel – and changes every time on a successful channel change.

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J-e-f-f-A:

re: Input group – no.

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Jester86-Laptop:

alright lets see what happens..

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Jester86-Laptop:

still getting signal 0%

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J-e-f-f-A:

Jester86: Unless you're going to use different inputs on it as seperate tuners – IE: Component for one device, s-video for another – but most (if not all) of us that have them only use them for HD (Component) – anything else is a waste.

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Jester86-Laptop:

but i set to the delay to 30000

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Jester86-Laptop:

gah

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Jester86-Laptop:

nothing

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J-e-f-f-A:

And you've confirmed your cable box is outputting video to the component outputs? Maybe you plugged in the cables to the wrong colors, or perhaps the 'passthrough' ports instead of the 'input' ports?

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Jester86-Laptop:

yeah it is.. had it plugged into the tv not 3 minutes b4 trying this

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Jester86-Laptop:

i am wonder now tho if the audio output of the cablebox wouldnt have changed to analog.. not that that should effect the reception of component video right?

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Jester86-Laptop:

or does the HDPVR require audio and video in order to record

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J-e-f-f-A:

The jacks on the bottom are the IN jacks.

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J-e-f-f-A:

It could – IIRC, the HD-PVR won't record video if you've got it set to SPDIF audio, and it doesn't see digital audio...

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Jester86-Laptop:

hmm

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Jester86-Laptop:

let me check that

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J-e-f-f-A:

And make sure those audio cables are pushed in all the way – some times the jacks are so snug they don't plug in very easily.

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Jester86-Laptop:

alright.. just cycled the HDPVR, STB and HTPC.. we'll know in a bit

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Jester86-Laptop:

J-e-f-f-A, ... no dice man

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Jester86-Laptop:

any chance you have time to take a look at my logs and help me try to find the issue?

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Jester86-Laptop:

it couldnt be caused by my playback settings could it?

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J-e-f-f-A:

I'm not sure what to tell you then... You sure you're connected to the right video device? I have udev rules to create symlinks based on serial# since I have two, and they flip-flop on every boot...

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Jester86-Laptop:

yeah i've triple checked this thing

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Jester86-Laptop:

dmesg | grep hdpvr isn't seeing it..

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Jester86-Laptop:

hmm

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Jester86-Laptop:

i've had this happen b4 i think i had the syntax/spelling

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Jester86-Laptop:

wrong

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Jester86-Laptop:

haha n/m .. forgot to re ssh into that box when i cycled it

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Jester86-Laptop:

shit J-e-f-f-A ... if i haven't redone filldatabase could that cause it?

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J-e-f-f-A:

not if you haven't changed lineups and/or channel listings – and assuming you've done it already.

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wagnerrp:

Jester86-Laptop: please watch your language

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Jester86-Laptop:

well i had the TWC-Digital input source created but it wasn't assigned to an input device until i added the HDPVR.. and i hadn't rerun mythfilldb since then

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Jester86-Laptop:

sorry wagnerrp .. :-\

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J-e-f-f-A:

Jester86-Laptop: Yeah, family-friendly here... ;-) I'd test it outside of myth first – most of this page is quite old, but the 'testing' portion is completely valid! http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HD-PVR#Testing_the_Driver

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Jester86-Laptop:

i tested it.. all checked out

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Jester86-Laptop:

tho i did do some stuff trying to get video over firewire

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Jester86-Laptop:

so maybe i messed something up.. ill test and let you know

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J-e-f-f-A:

Sounds like you should Delete all tuners, and re-create and re-associate it.

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Jester86-Laptop:

maybe :-\

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Jester86-Laptop:

i really dont want to have to recreate all the rest of my cards lol

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Jester86-Laptop:

have (2) pvr150s and (1) hdhr

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J-e-f-f-A:

the hd-pvr is new to the system?

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Jester86-Laptop:

yes sir

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Jester86-Laptop:

whole sys is new really

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Jester86-Laptop:

i'm trying to run cat /dev/video2 > testies.mpg

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J-e-f-f-A:

Have you checked the video devices are 'static' – ie: is the HD-PVR always /dev/video0 and the PVR-150's 1 and 2 – or do they 'flip-flop' at boot depending on which order they're detected? Mine did the latter, so I had to setup udev rules...

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Jester86-Laptop:

last time i let it record for prob a min and only had a couple seconds of video

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Jester86-Laptop:

yes my devices are always landing with the same /dev

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J-e-f-f-A:

Does the red capture LED come on and stay on when you're doing your cat?

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Jester86-Laptop:

yeah

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Jester86-Laptop:

doesn't go out actually... have to cycle to end it

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Jester86-Laptop:

seems to be a problem with my HDPVR.. probably a config setting?

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J-e-f-f-A:

what? So, you press "Ctrl-C" to stop your cat, and the light stays on? Not good...

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Jester86-Laptop:

yup exactly the case

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Jester86-Laptop:

is that smelling like a faulty device?

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J-e-f-f-A:

I dunno – try a different USB port – I had problems with one MB with a perticuar USB chipset...

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Jester86-Laptop:

i let it record for a very long time and the only thing that shows when i replay the recording is a brief second worth of playback

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Jester86-Laptop:

crap.. my HTPC is shoved in there lol

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J-e-f-f-A:

I would get constant lockups/errors with one controller, but switched to another one (my MB had 6 or 8 ports), and just tried a different one...

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J-e-f-f-A:

You should be able to see what bus it's on via 'lsusb'

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Jester86-Laptop:

i have 3.0 and 2.0 back there

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J-e-f-f-A:

don't use 3.0 – it didn't work for me – well, it worked, but failed pretty badly.

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Jester86-Laptop:

jesse@AcerMobile:~$ lsusb

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Jester86-Laptop:

Bus 008 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub

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Jester86-Laptop:

Bus 007 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub

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Jester86-Laptop:

Bus 006 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub

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Jester86-Laptop:

Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub

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Jester86-Laptop:

Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub

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Jester86-Laptop:

Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub

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Jester86-Laptop:

Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub

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Jester86-Laptop:

Bus 001 Device 003: ID 064e:a103 Suyin Corp.

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Jester86-Laptop:

Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0bda:0158 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. Mass Storage Device

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Jester86-Laptop:

Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub

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Jester86-Laptop:

i think it may be in a 3.0 lol

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J-e-f-f-A:

um... please don't paste more than 2 lines in the future... pastebin.com please...

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Jester86-Laptop:

even when noone else is active?

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wagnerrp:

aww... so close to finishing the op/kick

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J-e-f-f-A:

yep.

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Jester86-Laptop:

ok srry

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wagnerrp:

couldnt have had three more lines in there

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wagnerrp:

Jester86-Laptop: rules say 2 lines maximum

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wagnerrp:

rule of thumb, if there are so many lines that freenode's flood filter kicks in and starts rate limiting you

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wagnerrp:

youve done something wrong

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J-e-f-f-A:

Jester86-Laptop: BTW – I don't see your HD-PVR listed in the lsusb output above...

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J-e-f-f-A:

should be something like this:

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J-e-f-f-A:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HD-PVR#Testing_the_Driver

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J-e-f-f-A:

oopw.

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J-e-f-f-A:

oops!

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J-e-f-f-A:

Bus 002 Device 020: ID 2040:4902 Hauppauge HD PVR <--- That's better!

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Jester86-Laptop:

yeah i know

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Jester86-Laptop:

Bus 001 Device 003: ID 2040:4903 Hauppauge

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Jester86-Laptop:

does that mean i just plugged it back into a 3.0 port?

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Jester86-Laptop:

working blind.. had to find the whole by feel

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Jester86-Laptop:

ohh snap

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Jester86-Laptop:

it turned off on its own

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J-e-f-f-A:

I have no idea – you'd probably have to look at the 'lsusb -v' output to see what ports are USB 3 or not... ^ ooh, that's a good sign!

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Jester86-Laptop:

J-e-f-f-A, you're a life saver!!!!

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J-e-f-f-A:

Jester86-Laptop: Hehehe... Yeah, I remebered having that issue with USB3 ports – but not until we troubleshot some more... ;-) D'oh! I'm getting old and the "CRS" is kicking in!

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Jester86-Laptop:

haha

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Jester86-Laptop:

but.. i just tried to fire up via myth and the FE died

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Jester86-Laptop:

wonder if i need to change my playback settings

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J-e-f-f-A:

CRS = Can't Remember "Stuff" ... ;-) ^ ouch!

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Jester86-Laptop:

have it set to VDPAU high quality

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Jester86-Laptop:

well its working but the playback is choppy

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J-e-f-f-A:

Jester86-Laptop: Maybe try one of the non-vdpau settings first? Is your video card nvidia?

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Jester86-Laptop:

yeah I have a GT 430

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J-e-f-f-A:

Sounds like you are not using the native nvidia driver...

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Jester86-Laptop:

CPU is a X2 3.6

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Jester86-Laptop:

4 gigs of ram

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wagnerrp:

3.6?

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wagnerrp:

overclocked?

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Jester86-Laptop:

was.. guess its base is 3.0 maybe

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Jester86-Laptop:

cant remember

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Jester86-Laptop:

holycrap.. that video looks like crap lol

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J-e-f-f-A:

Jester86-Laptop: Sounds like you're running the 'vesa' driver or something – instead of the nvidia driver...

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Jester86-Laptop:

no i'm running nvidia

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Jester86-Laptop:

i just set to VDPAU Normal and its playing back fine

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Jester86-Laptop:

just the recording color settings are horrible now

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Jester86-Laptop:

going to check against my OTA stream

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Jester86-Laptop:

OTA is fine, minus my audio problems i'm experiencing

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J-e-f-f-A:

And you're running the Component video from your STB? You sure you plugged in the colors right on both sides? If you swapped the red and blue by accident, you'll still get a picture, but the colors will be wrong... ;-)

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Jester86-Laptop:

so i need to adjust color on the HDPVR

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J-e-f-f-A:

(sync is on the green)

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Jester86-Laptop:

no the colors are ok, its just really bright

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J-e-f-f-A:

Component video shouldn't need any color adjustments.

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Jester86-Laptop:

seems like its over exposed

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J-e-f-f-A:

humm...

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J-e-f-f-A:

The only setting I changed on my HD-PVR was pushing the bitrate all the way up... nothing else.

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Jester86-Laptop:

gahh playback went to crap again

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J-e-f-f-A:

anyways, I've got to go return a couple of movies to Redbox before 9:00.. ;-) ttyl, and glad your 90% of the way there now. ;-)

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Jester86-Laptop:

lol thaks for all the help you gave sir

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Jester86-Laptop:

i'm sure i'll still be in here when you get backlol

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J-e-f-f-A:

Jester86-Laptop: Wait a sec – are you local on the box, or remoted in?

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J-e-f-f-A:

If remoted, of course the video will be choppy, silly!

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** J-e-f-f-A now leaves for Redbox... **

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Jester86-Laptop:

J-e-f-f-A, i'm viewing locally connected video

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Jester86-Laptop:

i'm doing any terminal work via ssh

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Jester86-Laptop:

and using a wireless keyboard to do any local control.. ubernerd

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: werent you saying the SD people had confirmed you could not transfer recordings from one MCE machine to another

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wagnerrp:

even if you took the Prime along with it

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iamlindoro:

yes

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wagnerrp:

i found some SD forum threads on the issue

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wagnerrp:

how im just waiting for engadget to refresh their comments so i can respond to this comment i see in my email

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wagnerrp:

s/how/now/

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wagnerrp:

i dont know why its acting funky like this

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wagnerrp:

guy talking about how he can stream content to his ipad, convert it to mkv, and transfer it between multiple machine iterations and an ATI OCUR to a Ceton, all without losing access

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wagnerrp:

the tmservo guy

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iamlindoro:

the guy has no clue what he's talking about

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iamlindoro:

he shouldn't be fed

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wagnerrp:

plus hes using two ceton tuners at once, even though MCE only supports 4 of each type simultaneously

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Jester86-Laptop:

MY HD-PVR IS WORKING!!

[02:12:27]

Jester86-Laptop:

just the color is crappy for some reason

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hoolio:

yay!!!!!!!!

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hoolio:

:)

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Jester86-Laptop:

seems like a saturation setting is off or something

[02:13:03]

J-e-f-f-A:

Jester86-Laptop: Did you maybe change settings for your PVR-150s, that may somehow be causing issues with the HD-PVR?

[02:13:12]

J-e-f-f-A:

Is it crappy when doing a cat straight to disk too?

[02:13:16]

Jester86-Laptop:

nope everything was the same

[02:13:34]

Jester86-Laptop:

no cat seemed to be fine.. playing back thru VLC

[02:14:01]

J-e-f-f-A:

Humm.. I dunno then – my color has always been perfect on my HD-PVRs...

[02:14:08]

Jester86-Laptop:

lemme sshfs into that drive and play the live data back on this pc with vlc and see

[02:14:15]

iamlindoro:

If it's a new HD-PVr, it's likely preloaded with a firmware the linux driver does not yet support (both of the most recent two, in fact)

[02:14:26]

iamlindoro:

causing Hue/Saturation issues

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Jester86-Laptop:

thats sounds like my issue..

[02:14:44]

J-e-f-f-A:

Ah, I think iamlindoro hit the nail on the head. ;-) Mine are older. ;-)

[02:14:48]

Jester86-Laptop:

and i know i have the newest firmware

[02:15:10]

Jester86-Laptop:

i followed the wiki and made sure i had the newest firmware

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Jester86-Laptop:

wiki fail

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iamlindoro:

The wiki specifically says *not* to update to the newest firmware

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J-e-f-f-A:

user fail! ;-)

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iamlindoro:

Right in a big note box at the top

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iamlindoro:

" Note: 29-Aug-2011: The latest version of the firmware, 1.6.29207, dated July 27, 2011, causes oversaturation and color issues with the encoding of the analog signal. Until this is resolved, you do not want to upgrade to this version. Version 1.5.7, from June 17, 2010 appears to work. Hauppauge has acknowledged the issue and provided a link to the earlier firmware for non-Windows systems on their support page: Hauppauge HD

[02:15:55]

iamlindoro:

-PVR support"

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J-e-f-f-A:

so can he down-rev the firmware, or does the utility not support that?

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iamlindoro:

It's a windows driver installer, and yes, I believe it will allow you to install an old one

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Jester86-Laptop:

yup.. issue is def from mythtv recording.. cat no issue

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iamlindoro:

The issue isn't with mythtv

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iamlindoro:

MythTV issues picture controls, cat does not

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iamlindoro:

The driver does not work properly with those picture controls with current firmwares

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iamlindoro:

if you issued those same controls from the command line v4l2-ctl, cat wouldn't work either

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Jester86-Laptop:

iamlindoro, that means its a problem with mythtv.. not with their firmware

[02:18:00]

iamlindoro:

No.

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iamlindoro:

The problem is that the driver addresses the picture controls at a certain memory register where they no longer reside

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iamlindoro:

This is direct from Hauppauge.

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Jester86-Laptop:

so the solution here is to load the older firmware?

[02:18:56]

iamlindoro:

yes.

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RobertLaptop:

Question. The drive on one of my backend is getting pretty full and I want to make sure all the video's in the folder are in the DB. There use to be a script that would do that but I can't find it anymore. Anyone know where to find that?

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wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/Find_orphans.py

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Jester86-Laptop:

thanks for all the help guys.. you've saved me a lot of hair pulling out

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RobertLaptop:

wagnerrp, Thanks

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wagnerrp:

there we go, it updated

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Jester86-Laptop:

iamlindoro, what do you know about audio sync with HDPVR .. any known issues or does it typically line up well

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J-e-f-f-A:

Jester86-Laptop: I've never had any issues with audio sync on my HD-PVRs

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iamlindoro:

depends entirely on the behavior of your cable box

[02:31:51]

iamlindoro:

can work incredibly well with come boxes with some firmware versions, horribly with others

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Jester86-Laptop:

mine is just barely off

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Jester86-Laptop:

picture looks great tho. Thanks a ton iamlindoro

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iamlindoro:

np

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J-e-f-f-A:

;-) Thanks iamlindoro – I wasn't aware of the new firmware issue. ;-) I haven't 'messed' with my HD-PVRs at all. ;-)

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Jester86-Laptop:

as much as i hate using an IR blaster.. this thing is working great

[02:34:59]

Jester86-Laptop:

I have it all in enclosed tv stand with smoked glass doors and it seems to be keeping out any interference

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J-e-f-f-A:

I'd suggest using Firewire for channel changing if you can... it's been 100% reliable for me... Blasting was good (98% or so), but firewire has been perfect.

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J-e-f-f-A:

But if IR is working – stick with it. ;-)

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Jester86-Laptop:

yeah I'd like to get firewire working at some point. I'll prob need to get another STB tho

[02:35:53]

J-e-f-f-A:

Why, no firewire port?

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Jester86-Laptop:

no it has them but both are disabled

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J-e-f-f-A:

even for channel changing?

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Jester86-Laptop:

not supposed to be but i couldnt get it to work

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Jester86-Laptop:

thinking the newer firmware on it may have done something

[02:37:30]

Jester86-Laptop:

but that will be a project for another day. I can finally watch discovery HD =)

[02:38:00]

Jester86-Laptop:

wait.. i know what i still need to get figured out.. my audio issue

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J-e-f-f-A:

Heh, and if you don't get any missed channel changes, then it's probably not persuing anyways. ;-)

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Jester86-Laptop:

yeah true

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Jester86-Laptop:

J-e-f-f-A, you have time to talk audio now? lol i have played with this thing extensively and cant seem to get it to work under all cases

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J-e-f-f-A:

Disable pulse audio? [if enabled]

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Jester86-Laptop:

i'm using straight ALSA

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Jester86-Laptop:

well i'm using whatever mythbuntu comes stock with

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Jester86-Laptop:

pretty sure its ALSA

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J-e-f-f-A:

I don't know if mythbuntu has pulseaudio or not... but I've always removed it as my boxes are mythtv-only... and it only causes headaches IMHO.

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Jester86-Laptop:

yeah

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Jester86-Laptop:

well let me tell you what i'm trying to do real and u tell me if i'm off base or not

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J-e-f-f-A:

I'll try, but I'm no audio expert in Linux. ;-)

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Jester86-Laptop:

I was passing audio directly to ALSA:hw=SB,DEV=1

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Jester86-Laptop:

then i selected DD and DTS

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Jester86-Laptop:

and have it upconverting stereo to 5.1

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Jester86-Laptop:

which works for most things but some OTA programming i watched last night it didnt.. so I disabled DD and it'd work for some channels but not others.. then re-enabled DD and disabled DTS and it'd work for the other OTA programs

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Jester86-Laptop:

the only way I can get my movies to play at 5.1 is to pass directly to the hardware location

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J-e-f-f-A:

Jester86-Laptop: I have no idea – jya would probably be the best person to ask, but he doesn't seem to be around... D'oh! Maybe someone else can help...

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Jester86-Laptop:

alright

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smoothifier:

is atrpms the only repo to offer mythtv for centos?

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Jester86-Laptop:

i've got it setup to be just all in stereo for now

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Jester86-Laptop:

man its always depressing when you stump #mythtv-users lol

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J-e-f-f-A:

Jester86-Laptop: Hehehe... Unfortunately I'm only running analog stereo out on my current 3 frontends – living room is 'unaccessable' right now, so I'm going to create a "Man Cave" in my basement and move my receiver down there. ;-)

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Rubin:

i'm having a weird tearing problem

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Rubin:

seems like on moving scenes theres lines every 10 or so pixels

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Rubin:

i dont think its interlacing... because its not every other pixel

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Rubin:

i copied one of the mpg's to another computer, and it plays fine

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Rubin:

they are there when paused, too

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Rubin:

its white horizontal stripes evenly spaced on anything that moved quickly

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Jester86-Laptop:

anyone know how to disable the interactive menu/ guide on SA STBs?

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Jester86-Laptop:

I have 7 freaking tuners.. haha

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iamlindoro:

s/7 tuners/7 encoders/

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iamlindoro:

(since you actually have 4 tuners and one capture box)

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Rubin:

hrm. seems to be ubuntu 10.04's mplayer or ffmpeg12 driver is doing it.

[04:24:10]

Rubin:

if i copy the same mpg to a fedora box it plays flawlessly with mplayer

[04:24:26]

Rubin:

same mplayer command on lucid... white stripes appear. :(

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wagnerrp:

neither of which have anything to do with mythtv

[04:25:10]

Rubin:

other than disrupting my enjoyment of it ;)

[04:25:21]

wagnerrp:

well, no they dont

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wagnerrp:

mythtv does not use either of them

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Rubin:

it doesn't?

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wagnerrp:

nope

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Rubin:

what does it use?

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wagnerrp:

its own internal player, and an internal fork of ffmpeg

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Rubin:

there must be a common lib in the chain somewhere..

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wagnerrp:

it does not use any common decoding libraries from the system

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Rubin:

libavcodec?

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Rubin:

hm

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wagnerrp:

libmythavcodec

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Rubin:

how is it, then, that this PC cannot decode it, but another seems to just fine?

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wagnerrp:

too slow? bad video hardware? bad video drivers?

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Rubin:

even on a paused screen, i can see the lines

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Rubin:

so its not any kind of video driver problem

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wagnerrp:

what graphics card? what drivers? what playback profile?

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Rubin:

nvidia binary drivers i think its an 8600 or so card. cpu++ profile. i tried changing the decoder and output values, nothing seems to effect it

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wagnerrp:

use Slim or VDPAU High Quality

[04:30:23]

wagnerrp:

when you say you copied them to another machine and tried them

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wagnerrp:

you tried them with mythfrontend/mythavtest?

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Rubin:

no, i ran mplayer on the frontend box, and i see the same lines. so i ran mplayer on my laptop, and they are not there

[04:31:27]

Rubin:

i cant run mythfrontend on my laptop as its version is incompatable (fedora vs ubuntu lts)

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sphery:

not sure I like http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Backend_migration saying, "It is suggested that unless you have a dedicated network on which to test the new machine, to give it a new IP address and hostname."

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sphery:

as I, personally, would recommend not doing so

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sphery:

(at least on the hostname part)

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wagnerrp:

perhaps mention --noupnp instead?

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wagnerrp:

fedora and ubuntu lts both support 0.24.1

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Rubin:

oh, its an 8400GS

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wagnerrp:

VDPAU Medium then

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Rubin:

hrm wagnerrp this is in the "Decoder:" box under the playback profiles?

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wagnerrp:

no, im talking about a pre-defined playback profile

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wagnerrp:

the dropdown at the top

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wagnerrp:

try Slim, or VDPAU Medium

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wagnerrp:

(if not Medium, its some middling term)

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Rubin:

oh i see

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Rubin:

vdpau normal?

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Rubin:

ok

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Rubin:

ooh that fixed it

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Rubin:

i'm confused though, isnt my editing cpu++ to use vdpau the same as what that predefined profile is??

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iamlindoro:

It is if you edit it to use the exact same parameters for the exact same resolutions-- but you didn't.

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Rubin:

there is only one resolution on the cpu++ one

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iamlindoro:

It's not just a matter of setting "vdpau"

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Rubin:

ok

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iamlindoro:

there's which deinterlacer, which decoders, etc.

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iamlindoro:

The very fact that it's fixed with one and not the other confirms that they're not the same

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Rubin:

i understand. just curious which bit it was

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Rubin:

anyway, i appreciate the help, i'd never have figured this out

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blarney:

hi there, I have an Hauppauge HVR-2200 tuner card and I'm successfully using the digital side with MythTV, I've compiled the analog support as per http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-HVR-2200, /dev/video0 has been created properly and I'm trying to test capture of composite video input using mplayer/mencoder before integrating with mythtv, however I can't seem to find what the name of audio device should be

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wagnerrp:

no you dont, or at least you shouldnt

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wagnerrp:

you should have a -2250

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wagnerrp:

the -2200 is PAL/DVB-T

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wagnerrp:

in any case, there is no separate audio device

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wagnerrp:

as /dev/video0 outputs compressed MPEG2 video and AC3 audio in an MPEG2 container

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blarney:

right, sorry I do have the 2250, the instructions for 2200 are the same as for the 2250 (in terms of compiling)

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blarney:

wagnerrp: thanks, I thought so

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wagnerrp:

'cat /dev/video0 > /some/file.mpg' should produce a playable mpeg2 file

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blarney:

so it seems to be on the correct "v4l2-ctl -I" gives "Video input : 1 (composite)"

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wagnerrp:

note that you will have to fiddle around a bit ...

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wagnerrp:

yeah, v4l2ctl

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blarney:

right I tried "cat" but when I play it back, it's a blue screen

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wagnerrp:

you get a blue screen if there is no signal on that input

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wagnerrp:

note that each encoder will have one tuner, two composite, and two svideo inputs

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wagnerrp:

you need to make sure you get the right one

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blarney:

wagnerrp: but I've tested the output from my VCR, into my TV and it comes through

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wagnerrp:

and you should be using svideo, rather than composite

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blarney:

don't have an S-video cable unfortunately

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blarney:

but it does handle composite I think

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wagnerrp:

i just mean for the purposes of capturing from an STB, svideo will give better quality than composite

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blarney:

"v4l2-ctl -n" shows 0=tuner, 1=composite, 2=svideo, .... etc.

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blarney:

wagnerrp: yep, right

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wagnerrp:

also, there will be two encoders on that card

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blarney:

but just for the moment, I just want to try and encode *something*

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wagnerrp:

i dont know off hand which one is connected to the back panel ports

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blarney:

ah, maybe I should try composite 2?

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wagnerrp:

one set of inputs for one of the encoders is accessible from the rear panel

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blarney:

I'm using the breakout cable

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wagnerrp:

the other three are accessed through the white headers

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blarney:

then there is a second panel (which I haven't setup)

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blarney:

I figured that composite 1 would be the one on the main card

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wagnerrp:

i dont know off hand

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wagnerrp:

i dont have one to test

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blarney:

but it doesn't seem possible to set the input via "cat /dev/video0"

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iamlindoro:

You set it, then you cat

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blarney:

iamlindoro: I see, via "v4l2-ctl"?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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blarney:

hmm, so composite 1, composite 2 didn't do anything, but when i switched to aux, I started getting messages in /var/log/messages:

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blarney:

"saa7164_api_transition_port(portnr 2 unitid 0x20) error, ret = 0x32" etc.

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blarney:

before I didn't see anything from the driver at all, would that imply that there might be something coming in on that input?

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blarney:

the file generated by cat was 0-length

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Rubin:

Can I add custom menus to myth? something to run a command like a game or something?

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wagnerrp:

there is mythgame to help catalog a large collection of games

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wagnerrp:

or you can edit some custom menu xml to call a single external program

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Rubin:

cool

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blarney:

can I ssh to my myth box from my laptop and run mythtvsetup but have the output appear on the TV screen, rather than my laptop? I'd like to be able to control it from my laptop, but not have the picture be transferred via X to my laptop

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styelz:

vnc

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styelz:

ssh, use port forwarding, and use a vnc

[05:32:21]

styelz:

then vnc to 127.0.0.1:theport

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styelz:

a better way, if you have a laptop and a remote pc with a tv, is to use synergy

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styelz:

http://code.google.com/p/synergy-plus/

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wagnerrp:

or, you can just use 'ssh -Y <your backend>'

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styelz:

lets you share mouse/kboard with any pc on the lan

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wagnerrp:

lets you use X applications directly

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blarney:

styelz: thanks

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styelz:

i didnt know that

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wagnerrp:

no silly mussing about with remote control, or remote viewing

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styelz:

synergy is nice though

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styelz:

for this

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: he wants the display to be the remote machine

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styelz:

isnt that what -Y does ?

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wagnerrp:

oh, my mistake, i misread

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iamlindoro:

no

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styelz:

oh, ok

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wagnerrp:

no, -Y redirects the output to your local X server

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styelz:

ah ok

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blarney:

hmm

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wagnerrp:

which to be honest, is the sensible thing to do

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wagnerrp:

i dont know why you would want mythtv-setup to be run on the remote screen if you had a laptop handy such as to run synergy

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blarney:

wagnerrp: the X sending mythtvsetup back to my laptop makes the display refresh very slow, does synergy fix that?

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styelz:

yes

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wagnerrp:

sounds like your laptop doesnt have opengl support

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wagnerrp:

use '-O ThemePainter=qt'

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wagnerrp:

when you run mythtv-setup

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blarney:

glxinfo says: "direct rendering: Yes"

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blarney:

but that -O command definitely makes it faster

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wagnerrp:

direct rendering could be faked with mesa

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blarney:

what does the "aux" input in the video card correspond to on the breakout cable?

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blarney:

the HVR-2250 has an A/V input connector that is an 8 pin mini-DIN connector, which connects to a breakout cable

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blarney:

the other end of the breakout cable has 4 outputs: L, R audio RCA cable, an RCA video cable and an S-video cable

[06:04:15]

blarney:

but I'm not sure what "aux" would correspond to

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blarney:

http://www.hauppauge.com/pics/hvr2250_av-inpu . . . iagram-b.jpg

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: worth mentioning something to these guys about the libcec stuff? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki?title=Feature_Wish . . . ;oldid=53596

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justinh:

blarney: AFAIK 'aux' would refer to the audio & video connectors on the tuner board itself

[08:06:48]

blarney:

justinh: ok

[08:07:24]

justinh:

you can purchase a bracket with a cable attached to provide connections to the other analogue input on the 2nd encoder

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blarney:

justinh: so any idea what they might be wired to via the breakout cable? I noticed that I when I selected 'aux' I got some action in the system log for the saa7164 driver that I didn't see for any other inputs

[08:08:24]

blarney:

unfortunately I got a zero-length file for: "cat /dev/video0 > file.mpg"

[08:08:54]

justinh:

well, the av connector on the back panel of the card is likely only connected to one of the channels of the video/audio capture chip on the card

[08:09:54]

justinh:

so if you want to capture two analogue sources via svideo/composite & stereo RCA audio you'd need one of those brackets

[08:09:55]

blarney:

justinh: right, because the card came with a second bracket and cable to connect

[08:10:11]

blarney:

justinh: I only care about getting one source

[08:10:16]

blarney:

analog, that is

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blarney:

that's why I haven't setup the second bracket

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justinh:

wouldn't the manual have explained that? anyway... why are you fiddling with this 'aux' input anyway?

[08:10:50]

justinh:

because you can't get analogue capture working on linux?

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blarney:

yep

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blarney:

so I'm trying all the inputs to see if I can see anything with mplayer to start with

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blarney:

justinh: 'aux' is interesting because it's the only input where something happens in /var/log/messages (although not particularly helpful), so it occurred to me that maybe that's the input that's connected to my source

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justinh:

heh even the linuxtv.org wiki says analogue support is only experimental

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blarney:

the actual source is a VHS tape playing via the video out

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blarney:

justinh: true

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wagnerrp:

on the -2250, it has been fairly stable since merge into the kernel in 2.6.36

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justinh:

blarney: is it a home video? I mean not a prerecorded tape?

[08:13:54]

blarney:

but some threads indicate that people have at least got the capture working (sort of): I've been following this thread: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine? . . . reply;so=ASC

[08:14:04]

blarney:

justinh: yep, a home video

[08:14:25]

justinh:

so is dmesg reporting that devices are registered properly etc?

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blarney:

don't tell me that I can't get around that macrovision thingie

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blarney:

justinh: yep

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justinh:

blarney: just ruling it out

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blarney:

I can use "v4l2-ctl -n" that gets a list of inputs

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justinh:

in the old days the macrovision flag just flicked a register in a video decoding chip to say it was there. capture software would check for it. more recent devices might stop in their tracks

[08:16:08]

justinh:

(windows capture software would check for it) ;-)

[08:16:21]

justinh:

AFAIK no linux software has ever done that

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blarney:

"v4l2-ctl -D" shows: saa7164[0] Card type : Hauppauge WinTV-HVR2250... etc.

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blarney:

justinh: heh

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blarney:

just like region coding

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justinh:

well, there's a good reason you shouldn't be allowed to digitise prerecorded VHS tapes. It's a frickin waste of your time

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wagnerrp:

i thought macrovision was something wonky in the timing pulses in the video signal

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blarney:

just about the dumbest idea in video ever (region-coding I mean)

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blarney:

justinh: yep, agreed there

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justinh:

wagnerrp: yeah, but video decoder chips could detect its presence

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wagnerrp:

that recording devices were required by law to have trouble with

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wagnerrp:

but tvs blindly overlooked like any proper video decoder

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justinh:

wagnerrp: yeah but anything less than 20 years old would be so good at reclaiming the sync pulse...

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blarney:

justinh: these are mostly home videos I'm trying to digitize and/or very rare, never likely to be released in video or digital form commercial tapes

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justinh:

find a datasheet for something like the bt878 :-)

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wagnerrp:

well i mean the devices had to be specifically designed to suffer from the decoding flaw

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justinh:

nah, decoders had registers – and most VHS machines didn't do much in the way of signal recovery so they lost by default

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justinh:

wagnerrp: and if having a register your software was hard-coded to check did the same job ...

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justinh:

oh. maybe it was mostly only ATI tuner cards that obeyed the flag

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justinh:

maybe not bt878 but I've definitely seen some datasheets for video decoders where they have a 'macrovision detected' register bit

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wagnerrp:

oh look, i just got a notification of a scan from mythtv's office xerox machine

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wagnerrp:

based off the url its giving me, the xerox machine must be located in poland

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wagnerrp:

i didnt know we had offices over there

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: heh, possibly so, if you feel like talking to them

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Beirdo:

(about the libcec)

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Beirdo:

I think I shall retire for the night. My brain is hurting

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justinh:

wagnerrp: see the cx25840 datasheet ;-)

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wagnerrp:

i think ill pass

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justinh:

0x40C – copy protection status register

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justinh:

maybe it's not all that common after all

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lolmatic:

hi all

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lolmatic:

i'm looking for a cheap and very small low power mainboard for running myth tv. it should have ide. any tips?

[11:35:35]

lolmatic:

also it should be silent.

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justinh:

ide? LOL

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justinh:

next you're going to say it should also be cheap

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justinh:

and look nice

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sid3windr:

IDE?

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sid3windr:

does that still exist?

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justinh:

sid3windr: kind of. on some of the stuff we make, we have a bitbashed IDE interface which we convert to SATA

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sid3windr:

heh

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justinh:

though that's soon getting replaced by USB-SATA instead

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sid3windr:

don't you mean USED TO MAKE!

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sid3windr:

hehe

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justinh:

at least then we might be able to get > 50MB/sec

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lolmatic:

well i have a 500gb ide drive i dont need anymore

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lolmatic:

and since it is a gift for someone i dont intend spending 500 bucks or something for that machine =)

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justinh:

buy a SATA-IDE converter

[12:04:43]

justinh:

they're still dirt cheap

[12:04:49]

justinh:

some of them even work!

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sid3windr:

hmm

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sid3windr:

I have some never touched ones :)

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sid3windr:

abit serillel

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sid3windr:

now that you mention it :P

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justinh:

we've tested loads of them here with a view to using them in legacy products where the HDD had to be replced

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justinh:

some of them actually worked – and generally those were the ones from unreputable sources bought via ebay

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lolmatic:

can you use game pads as remote control?

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clever:

lolmatic: search the docs/wiki for joystickmenurc

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lolmatic:

sweet!

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awalls:

Dude!

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lolmatic:

sweet! what do i have written on my back?

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awalls:

Dude! what do I have written on my back!? :)

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** awalls stops now **

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lolmatic:

:)

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redxine:

slow WLAN is slow. ><

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quicksilver:

I dunno. I had iPlayer HD streaming over 802.11b...

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Unguided:

Good morning all! Can someone tell me if the ceton infinitv 4 usb or the silicondust HD homerun prime is supported in mythtv please?

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wagnerrp:

quicksilver: for certain definitions of 'HD'

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quicksilver:

wagnerrp: well yes. It looked surprisingly good though.

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wagnerrp:

Unguided: the Prime and DCR-2650 are both supported in 0.24, and supported very well in 0.25

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wagnerrp:

the infinitv is supported using a set of 3rd party patches, and official support for generic OCUR devices is in the works

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Unguided:

Ok. Trying to decide between the ceton and silicondust. It seems that silicon dust has never forgotten about its linux community and ceton seems to have left us behind.

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wagnerrp:

no, not so much

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wagnerrp:

the hdhomerun had an existing access library that was cross-platform and mythtv already supported

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Unguided:

So my BEST choice is the HD homerun prime or did I miss what u said?

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wagnerrp:

so it was not much work to update that access library, and some other tweaks, to get mythtv recording using the Prime

[15:41:22]

wagnerrp:

and the fact that several SD employees use mythtv certainly helped

[15:41:35]

wagnerrp:

yes, currently, the Prime is the best choice

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wagnerrp:

however ceton has been writing linux network drivers for their PCIe and USB devices such that they could be used

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wagnerrp:

and has been working with one of our devs, with test hardware, to develop the OCUR support

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wagnerrp:

the Prime is certainly the better choice for now, but that doesnt mean ceton has left us out in the cold

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Unguided:

So the Homerun prime it is. I like the network idea better anyway. That was easy. Thank you for the information. Im trying to get rid of tivo and I believe the HD would better suit my needs. Can I use zentyal server based on ubuntu and install myhtv in the server to act as my backend?

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wagnerrp:

Unguided: technically, theyre all network based tuners

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wagnerrp:

although the Prime is the only one physically connected over the network

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Unguided:

right but the HD does not have to be physically connected to any computer

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wagnerrp:

i dont know what Zentyal is, but if you can install MySQL, Qt, and MythTV on it, it should be fine

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wagnerrp:

s/HD/tuner/?

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Unguided:

I like the net work connected device idea better. Zentyal is an open source windows small business server repalcement based on ubuntu. you can find information here: www.zentyasl.org The nice thing is that is can be configured via a web browser and supports virtual machines

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Unguided:

* www.zentyal.org Sorry

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wagnerrp:

eech... dont know why a home user would want to bother with virtual machines unless they were doing their own software development

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Unguided:

My wife is riding me on the number of computers in the house. I can consolidate some of them into virtual machines and get her off of my back.

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wagnerrp:

you can consolidate some of them into a single physical machine just as well

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wagnerrp:

you actually can run more than one application at a time on modern linux distros

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wagnerrp:

its an astounding technological achievement :P

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Unguided:

Yeah I know. Im not saying that VM are the only way to go

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wagnerrp:

im saying theyre not the way to go unless you have critical-to-business applications that cannot interfere with each other, and its not economical to spend the time to test whether they can safely be run on the same OS instance, or in some isolated container on the same kernel

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Unguided:

AH. I see

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wagnerrp:

there is something to be said for filesystem isolation for ease of management for dependency conflicts, and kernel/memory/network isolation for security purposes

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wagnerrp:

but virtual machines are the sledgehammer you pull out when you dont have time to do it "properly"

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Unguided:

Okay. I was just trying to get rid of machines. I can look to see how I can combine machine purposes without virtual machines

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wagnerrp:

just run them on the same OS instance, or use something like vservers or lxc

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Unguided:

okay

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Unguided:

wagnerrp: So u r saying run them on something like proxmox?

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wagnerrp:

proxmox?

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wagnerrp:

seems proxmox takes the VM hypervisor concept, and applies it to paravirtualization using openvz

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wagnerrp:

openvz is an alternative to vservers and lxc on linux

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Unguided:

so that would work then right?

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wagnerrp:

paravirtualization is the use of filesystem, memory, kernel space, and network isolation, while running on the same kernel image

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wagnerrp:

depending on how it manages hardware access it could work

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wagnerrp:

although i would avoid vservers and openvz personally

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Unguided:

Did I misunderstand what u are saying?

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wagnerrp:

both have never been adopted upstream by the kernel

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wagnerrp:

and lxc is the first party container system being written in the kernel currently

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: ill leave this one up to you... http://www.mythtv.org/wiki?title=IODataLinkPl . . . p;rcid=54927

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devinheitmueller:

Any bets on whether the national EAS worked as intended?

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_abbenormal:

it will be fun to watch for sure

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wagnerrp:

worked? as in it already happened?

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devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: it was at 2pm.

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wagnerrp:

today?

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devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: yes

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devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: I suspect MythTV would ignore the retune request

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devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/09/psa-fema-t . . . today-empha/

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wagnerrp:

probably

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devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: I was going to record it so I could do some testing with an unrelated application I'm working on, but I forgot.

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wagnerrp:

that reminds me, i need to mark last nices recordings for re-record

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wagnerrp:

nothing like irrelevant election tickers to annoy you when you get around to watching somethign months down the line

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smoothifier:

it looks like mythbackend is having problems opening its pid file. "MythBackend, Error: Could not open pid file" is this a permissions issue?

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wagnerrp:

whatever users runs mythbackend should have write permission to /var/run/mythtv/

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smoothifier:

makes sense

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smoothifier:

wagnerrp: thanks, i know that was obvious. the pid is in /var/run so i changed the group to mythtv, added the write permission and it worked okay

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smoothifier:

would it be better in its own directory, or should i bother changing it?

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wagnerrp:

i could see making a new group with write permission, and adding mythtv to that group

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wagnerrp:

but i would not make the mythtv group own that directory

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smoothifier:

what if i put the pid in /var/run/mythtv and chown mythtv:mythtv to that directory instead?

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wagnerrp:

that works

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smoothifier:

thanks

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redxine:

mythnetvision doesn't seem to want to play anything outside the web browser. What if the media stream is just mpeg4, but streamed over http?

[19:53:34]

redxine:

the <player> tag didn't work either.

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wagnerrp:

mythnetvision offers compatibility with downloads

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wagnerrp:

i believe the twit.tv grabber is set up that way

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iamlindoro:

can also use http with the internal player, but only in master

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justinh:

bear in mind this guy has access to something he shouldn't. i.e. the BBC's redux project

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** iamlindoro doesn't know what that is **

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iamlindoro:

but I'll take your work on it

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iamlindoro:

word

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wagnerrp:

some iplayer replacement that bbc has not gotten very far with after three years

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justinh:

supposedly closed to BBC employees & other nominated folks. Seems login details have leaked out

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justinh:

oh and it feeds iPlayer. so presumably people wanting into redux are aiming to get past the 'DRM'. Speaking of which, the future of that on mobile devices is looking kinda shaky since Adobe announced they weren't continuing development of flash on mobile platforms

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redxine:

the downloader doesn't work either

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redxine:

Assuming justinh is assuming.

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** justinh frankly doesn't care. if you're not in the UK you're not supposed to even be able to access BBC stuff other than radio online **

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redxine:

The point is I can't get mythnetvision to work with anything, despite it's being documented as such.

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wagnerrp:

could be due to geolocation filtering?

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redxine:

No. The problem is purely with the plugin.

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wagnerrp:

what grabber?

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justinh:

or the user not knowing how to configure it

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redxine:

the XML my script outputs is fine, but in mythnetvision the only option is to follow the link in the browser, which doesn't make sense since it can just open the http MPEG4 stream with its player or in VLC.

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iamlindoro:

not in any released version of MythTV it can't

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iamlindoro:

As previously mentioned, direct playback of http URLs is master only

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redxine:

an <item> tag in my grabber's output looks like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/733516/

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redxine:

http://paste.ubuntu.com/733516/

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redxine:

oops.

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redxine:

MythTV Version : v0.24.1-80-g1de0431

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** iamlindoro doesn't know how much clearer he can be **

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iamlindoro:

Does .24 == master? No it does not.

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redxine:

the <player> tag?

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iamlindoro:

anyway, unless we have some proof that you're authorized to get this content, I'm not interested in helping further, and you can't get help in this channel either

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justinh:

the really funny thing is that redux doesn't have an API. Even their own app has to screen scrape

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redxine:

and is hence the problem I have set forth to solve.

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iamlindoro:

which you may not discuss here. Thanks for respecting our channel rules.

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wagnerrp:

i imagine the problem would be solved once the system goes into production

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justinh:

the fact that 0.24 can't play HTTP streams won't be helping

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justinh:

hey it's ok. we'll just be accused of being furryist or something.

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redxine:

I'm not that retarded ><

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redxine:

Mud slinging is counter productive

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justinh:

yeah, and people trying to get things they're not properly entitled to can spoil it for the rest of us. So don't

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justinh:

man, you go through life thinking 1GB of online photo storage will be enough...

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iamlindoro:

Then you reproduce?

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Beirdo:

hehe

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justinh:

exactly. lol

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wagnerrp:

wait, after nine months, you pop out a JPEG encoded stream of data?

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wagnerrp:

we didnt cover anything like this in high school biology

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iamlindoro:

No, this was pretty RAW

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justinh:

hahaha. Insomniacs: Look on the bright side. Only three more sleeps til Christmas

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wagnerrp:

justinh: hey now, remember what happened last time you played that song?

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justinh:

I remember what happened the last time I played The Orb's 'Perpetual Dawn' in a club. Jesus. Full-on spaghetti western fight. broken teeth flying everywhere

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redxine:

oh god the wire wrap ><

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** redxine falls into a tangle of wire **

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justinh:

I believe that's what they call a snare

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redxine:

Not sure what I was thinking when I opted for the manual wrapper. Certainly not about the pain it would induce to my paws.

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wagnerrp:

so someone half a block away from me has the same car as me

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wagnerrp:

same year, same tires, same color, same everything

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wagnerrp:

the only external difference is badging, GT vs. GTP

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wagnerrp:

i look out the door, and they're parked right behind me

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wagnerrp:

its freaky

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biffhero:

maybe it is your future self, coming to tell you something. look down the hallway.

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wagnerrp:

does this have something to do with a stupid bunny mask?

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biffhero:

I don't know what that means.

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biffhero:

[1:48] <wagnerrp> i look out the door, and they're parked right behind me

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wagnerrp:

i figured you were making some reference to donnie darko

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biffhero:

no. I do recall that my myth recorded donnie darko for me a few nights ago, thanks to tvwish.

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wagnerrp:

may as well delete it

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justinh:

heh. I remember being underwhelmed by it. 2nd viewing needed 2 bottles of wine. then it seemed a bit better

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wagnerrp:

are you saying the pseudo-intellectual tripe couldnt be understood until youre drugged up?

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wagnerrp:

i can belive that

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** laga pulls a nice double shot with thick crema **

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Beirdo:

oooh

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laga:

just for you!

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laga:

the beans are, of course, freshly roasted by a local shop

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