Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, November 5th, 2011, 00:00 UTC

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kormoc:

justinh, heh, so needed

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wagnerrp:

it is a _bad_ practice

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cerise4096:

SELinux is not a bad practice.

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** kormoc sighs **

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redxine:

no, but running as root is

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cerise4096:

I told you this before and you didn't listen, wagnerrp.

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kormoc:

head… brick wall…

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wagnerrp:

just because you fall back on access control lists and SELinux doesnt mean you should ever run anything but administrative tasks as root

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cerise4096:

In SELinux, root is just another user.

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justinh:

it depends what you call 'bad' :)

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cerise4096:

root is not a super user.

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kormoc:

oh lordy

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wagnerrp:

then dont use root

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cerise4096:

root has no special powers in SELinux.

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wagnerrp:

because then root is not root

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kormoc:

root is still uid/gid 0

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cerise4096:

Exactly. root is a user name.

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kormoc:

which does have special meanings

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cerise4096:

It's the one I choose to use

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redxine:

my mythbox's /etc/sudoers is a little lax....

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cerise4096:

kormoc: NOT IN SELINUX.

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redxine:

mostly because if you have physical access to it, you'd have a shell in no time.

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cerise4096:

Jesus — where have all of you been?! living under a rock?

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** jams grows tired of this conversation **

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kormoc:

yeah

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justinh:

reminds me. I've not snooped on directhex's twitter feed for a while

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kormoc:

this is worthless

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cerise4096:

kormoc: YOU are worthless if you're trying to criticize me for using root in SELinux where I have my policy set for root to be a normal user.

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cerise4096:

There are no special meanings.

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: We could just readd it

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iamlindoro:

we should read the mythtv* ban, too

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cerise4096:

There are no special abilities.

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kormoc:

cerise4096, that's a specific policy you wrote. not one selinux is designed around

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cerise4096:

That is what SELinux does.

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wagnerrp:

its like saying running as administrator in Win7 is alright, because UAC protects you and there is no real administrator anymore

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kormoc:

and no, it's not true

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kormoc:

you can enable/disable selinux on the fly without restarting the kernel

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iamlindoro:

cerise4096: Nobody called you names, refrain from doing so. Or else.

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wagnerrp:

it was a bad administrative practice before, and it continues to be a bad administrative practice now

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redxine:

cerise4096: Run httpd, php, and proftpd as root and let us have a go at it. Then tell us it's not bad.

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kormoc:

once you do, uid 0 is super, it's always super, it's just being blocked via a code path

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cerise4096:

redxine: http://www.coker.com.au/selinux/play.html

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cerise4096:

it's been done.

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cerise4096:

Go ahead.

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cerise4096:

kormoc: Only the user with permissions can do so.

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kormoc:

in any case, this is a worthless topic, you're not going to change our minds, we're not going to change your's

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cerise4096:

the user with permission to do so is not root.

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kormoc:

and is off topic for the channel

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cerise4096:

Exactly. You can't change truth, no matter how hard you try.

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kormoc:

oh lordy

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cerise4096:

Go to that link and educate yourself.

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redxine:

*sigh* but if you have a script on the machine that it reads from a world writeable directory, SELinux will always allow anything in the script because it's running as root.....

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cerise4096:

Or duck into #selinux

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wagnerrp:

so in other words, you made root a normal user, and gave another user root's privileges

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cerise4096:

wagnerrp: Close, but not quite.

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redxine:

....disabled X11 forwarding

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redxine:

interesting

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wagnerrp:

why not just follow normal convention and let root keep those privileges

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, because he wants to be different!

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cerise4096:

I have a subset of users on the system that are allowed to edit policy.

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, and tell everyone else that we're wrong

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wagnerrp:

all youre doing is hiding that user account

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cerise4096:

root is not a member of the subset.

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wagnerrp:

and of course... 'obscurity is not security'

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cerise4096:

The user with access to policy does not have superuser access either

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kormoc:

you could always just rename root in /etc/passwd and friends and have the same end result

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cerise4096:

in fact — no user does.

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redxine:

ssh: connect to host play.coker.com.au port 22: Connection timed out

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redxine:

a lot of good that does.

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cerise4096:

kormoc: You could, except that I am genuinely UID/GID 0.

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cerise4096:

What makes SELinux secure isn't obscurity. It's been independently audited.

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cerise4096:

And in addition, it has no superuser.

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cerise4096:

It's not a mere renaming.

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justinh:

the problem is, for the most part, encouraging muggles who don't really understand the intricacies to run things as root, or log in as root as a matter of course – on a *regular* linux. bad idea & is actively discouraged

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redxine:

I always liked fedora for SELinux

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cerise4096:

On a regular system, it's moronic. I agree.

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justinh:

hence some places not allowing 'root' IRC use

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jams:

cerise4096- please that is your last word on this topic

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cerise4096:

Which is also kinda silly, given how easy it is to spoof usermasks in IRC.

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redxine:

*face paw*

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biffhero:

really, we need http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKLFgPStLkU

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\PiLgRiM\:

anyone here to answer a quick question about the HDHomeRun Prime and scheduling?

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redxine:

lol is that blender?

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wagnerrp:

we cant answer anything until you ask it

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wagnerrp:

ask, and then just leave the window open until someone responds

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cerise4096:

We could answer yes.

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\PiLgRiM\:

ok, so i cant get tuner2 to schedule anything

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cerise4096:

It's just a waste of time.

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\PiLgRiM\:

tuner0 and tuner1 both schedule programs

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\PiLgRiM\:

i can watch livetv on tuner2 though

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\PiLgRiM\:

and choose it in livetv

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wagnerrp:

are shows not recording because they refuse to schedule on tuner 2?

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wagnerrp:

the scheduler wont use tuner2 unless tuner0 and tuner1 are already in use

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biffhero:

pilgrim: I am new to HDhomerun, just getting mine up yesterday, but is it possible that you don't ever have three things recording at one time?

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wagnerrp:

and if tuner2 can be used in livetv, there should be no problem using it for recordings

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\PiLgRiM\:

hmmm

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biffhero:

I forced it on mine with two recordings at the same time on different channels.

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\PiLgRiM\:

i set tuner2 to a higherer recpriority

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\PiLgRiM\:

but it keeps scheduling on my lower priority pvr150s

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justinh:

OMG somebody who cammed their monitor to do a screenie AND used a tripod?! :-O

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justinh:

oh. it was Patrick L... heh. figures. he has clue

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redxine:

AMAZING

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wizbit:

D.I.Y mac mini http://www.wesena.co.uk/product.php/5/2/itx2

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redxine:

holy crap

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justinh:

yeah it's a mac nini. but butt ugly, and big

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wizbit:

with a ir hole :D

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justinh:

actually it's not *that* bad but it ain't no mac mini bud

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biffhero:

listen here, ir-hole!

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redxine:

it's a nice change from all the acrylic though

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justinh:

slotty optical drives aren't too plentiful though

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wagnerrp:

what, you mean you dont want to see the insides of your computer?

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redxine:

I mean the white acrylic

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wagnerrp:

not just slotty, but a slim one too

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redxine:

that just gets dirty anyways

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justinh:

oh wait, I have a ready supply of em at work :)

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redxine:

http://www.wesena.co.uk/product.php/7/0/e5

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wizbit:

im not going to bother with a optical drive on frontend, one can go on the backend for ripping

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redxine:

I'm fond of this case, but I'm not ready to drop 170 quid on a box with screws in it

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justinh:

quite

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redxine:

make one out of wood :P

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wizbit:

redxine: i can imagine that overheating

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justinh:

my frontend box is a silverstone LC02. not as good as they look

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redxine:

yeah not much ventilation is there

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cerise4096:

I just ran enough cable to run my box from the closet. *shrugs*

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wagnerrp:

i dont understand why no one has ever made a case that looked like that, but made the whole left side a big heatsink, powered by a squirrel fan in the front

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wagnerrp:

it works for GPUs, why not design the whole computer that way

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redxine:

http://www.wesena.co.uk/product.php/10/3/wesena_e7t_case

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** wizbit patents wagnerrp idea **

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redxine:

I never understood why anyone would want a huge screen on something that probably goes behind glass or on a rack

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justinh:

cerise4096: that's what I'll be doing when I go 'HD'

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redxine:

Remotes were invented for a reason!

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wizbit:

redxine: the screens are for window users

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redxine:

x3 good one wizbit

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justinh:

poseurs

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wizbit:

big cases look ugly but at least they keep components cool

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justinh:

I need to find a pic/video of the gadget show review of that wardrobe sized media PC

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cerise4096:

I had to look really hard for a case big enough to hold a full size ATX board and a six disk RAID which didn't have a transparent side.

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wagnerrp:

pretty easy to find a case that will do that

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wagnerrp:

ive got half a dozen sitting under my desk right now

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cerise4096:

Really? I had to get a Lian Li. It turned out to be a good deal — it's a nice case — but it irked me at the time.

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justinh:

it had a remote with... voice recognition. it really was awful

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redxine:

lol seriously

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wagnerrp:

ive got several old beige boxes, and a couple antecs, that would all fit that bill

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wagnerrp:

(although the generic cases would need a hotswap bay slotted into the 5.25" bays

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cerise4096:

Well then, I should've asked you, eh? ; )

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wagnerrp:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . ;srchInDesc=

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wagnerrp:

21 products, starting from $50

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redxine:

oh wow

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redxine:

okay you happy now? The tooltip from that link crashed compiz, and all my windows collapsed onto one workspace

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wagnerrp:

very much so

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** wagnerrp looks on from three monitors with no need to sit on a cube and rotate **

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redxine:

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/228/tmpek5ozh.png

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redxine:

I'm on a tablet

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redxine:

tablet as in the thing from five years ago that never caught on

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redxine:

so really it's just a laptop with a magical pen

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** redxine runs compiz --replace **

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wagnerrp:

i can run two displays from my decade old laptop

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wagnerrp:

and a third if i really wanted to

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redxine:

I can from this, but I lose 3d acceleration

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redxine:

and video rendering

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wagnerrp:

aint intel graphics wonderful...

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redxine:

I have a benchmark

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redxine:

60 fps idel

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redxine:

*idle

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redxine:

drops to 30 when rotating the cube

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redxine:

or the workspace with 15 windows open on it

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** redxine wobbles windows around **

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redxine:

I feel so disabled when I have to use a windows machine

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redxine:

not being able to alt+drag windows annoys me so much.

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** wagnerrp is using windows presently **

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** redxine compiles a kernel zeroday attack **

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redxine:

that'll teach 'em x3

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redxine:

speaking of which, there really is one right now. No patch planned for the next month either.

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redxine:

Microsoft: Security is our middle name!

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wagnerrp:

that might worry me if i didnt have any common sense

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redxine:

it's a zero day

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wagnerrp:

(i.e. know not to do stupid things that can get me infected)

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redxine:

it can be triggered by opening a word document from a potentially legitament source.

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wizbit:

wagnerrp: just make sure you never open word docs..

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redxine:

users will just open things ad-nausium

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redxine:

heck the browser will do it for you

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wagnerrp:

exactly, i think before i open things

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wagnerrp:

it really doesnt take much more than that

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redxine:

every single pdf?

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wizbit:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duqu

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redxine:

it's a good fraciton of the web

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wagnerrp:

i dont open pdfs from untrusted sources

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redxine:

that's 99% of the internet x3

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wagnerrp:

true

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redxine:

you could follow a link without realizing what it links to

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wizbit:

'one of Duqu's actions is to steal digital certificates from attacked computers to help future viruses appear as secure software'

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wagnerrp:

and it will pop up telling me to download the pdf file to view it

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wizbit:

we are living in those sci-fi films for real

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redxine:

lol

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redxine:

no it's missing the part where it takes out major infrastructure

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redxine:

or maybe it has

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redxine:

a keylogger managed to get into US reaper drone systems

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wagnerrp:

speculation is it was placed there by another part of the airforce

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redxine:

which lead me to think: What the hell are they doing controlling a bomber with windows anyways?

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wizbit:

which lead me to think: What the hell are they doing controlling a bomber with windows anyways?

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redxine:

it could suddenly BSOD and BAM!

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redxine:

you took out las vegas

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wizbit:

you took out las vega

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** wizbit stops log **

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redxine:

o.o

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wagnerrp:

or, maybe just a car or two

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wagnerrp:

hellfire missiles cant do a whole lot

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redxine:

still

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redxine:

those planes aren't cheap.

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wagnerrp:

i somehow doubt the flight control computer was running windows

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redxine:

I did too for all my life, but apparently not

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wagnerrp:

even if it were, should you lose the data link, the drone goes autonomous until it receives a new link

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redxine:

but who knows what would happen if the node crashes

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wagnerrp:

the drone goes autonomous

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redxine:

windows likes to do things to I/O when it goes down

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wagnerrp:

theres not a whole lot of fancy tech in those things

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redxine:

it's a shame really

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wagnerrp:

the reason a little turboprop reaper costs several million dollars is all the time spent programming it

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redxine:

lol there's a story somewhere about when the navy had a ship running on NT

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wagnerrp:

per unit, theyre really not all that much

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redxine:

it crahsed from a divide by zero error and they had to haul it back to shore

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redxine:

NASA spent $75~ million developing a new moon rover.

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redxine:

one that won't make it to the moon.

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redxine:

it's a shame :/

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wagnerrp:

thank obama

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redxine:

*claps slowly*

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wagnerrp:

"lets go to asteroids... and mars..."

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redxine:

speaking of

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redxine:

I just saw that Europe's space admin did an experiment

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redxine:

they locked a crew away in a simulator for 18 months

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redxine:

they came out fine lol

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redxine:

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/1187/slowclapm.gif

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wagnerrp:

you go to the moon, set up a base, use that as a manufacturing plant to use as a stepping stone for further missions

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wagnerrp:

but... the moon is boring

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redxine:

it has.... rocks

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wagnerrp:

and the public wont get behind boring things

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wagnerrp:

meaning boring things wont get you elected

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redxine:

you know what's exciting?

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redxine:

sexual harassment allegations!

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redxine:

and only when the canidate in question is at the top of the polls. Imagine that.

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redxine:

*yawny fox*

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redxine:

g'night forum.

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bruderbell:

I'm trying to access my mythbackend from a remote frontend, and I'm looking for a logfile that will point me in the right direction

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bruderbell:

I've check /var/log/mysql/error.log to no avail thus far.

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bruderbell:

*on the backend machine

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bruderbell:

Anyone know of a tutorial out there to help me get my mysql setup properly to allow remote frontends?

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wagnerrp:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#modify_perm_mysql

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tank-man:

chicken breast recipe

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tank-man:

:) tought this channel was a google frontend

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wagnerrp:

http://www.epicurious.com/recipes/food/views/ . . . d-Basil-2749

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** Beirdo yawns **

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Beirdo:

feels like 10pm

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Beirdo:

BUT, I get an extra hour of sleep this weekend. woohoo

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wagnerrp:

DST change?

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Beirdo:

yuip

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wagnerrp:

ugh...

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Beirdo:

we get back the hour of sleep they stole in the spring

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bruderbell:

wagnerrp: in http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#modify_perm_mysql it instructs on allowing access by subnet. I ran those commands and got "query ok, 0 rows affected". Should I have gotten some rows affected?

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wagnerrp:

i dont recall off hand

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wagnerrp:

its been years since ive done it

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wagnerrp:

one easy way to test it...

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bruderbell:

son of a gun.

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bruderbell:

It works. Thanks for that article!

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Beirdo:

why is my brain telling me that I'm hungry already?!

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wagnerrp:

damnit

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Beirdo:

shut up brain... I fed my stomach only an hour and a bit ago!

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wagnerrp:

every time...

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wagnerrp:

my power flickers, i pause the music, go around the house to make sure nothing bad happened

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wagnerrp:

i come back, hit play, and... nothing

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wagnerrp:

every single time, this thing trips some sort of protective relay in my amp

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wagnerrp:

and i have to power cycle the thing

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wagnerrp:

but i never remember that im going to have to power cycle the thing

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Beirdo:

gah

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mybuntu:

hi, can some one point me in the right direction to a good forum. Im looking to build my 1st myth tv front end but need advice on the type of hardware to buy to suit a older computer.

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[R]:

what?

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wagnerrp:

hardware to buy to suit an older computer?

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[R]:

you want to buy hardware or you want to use old hardware

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[R]:

its one or the other

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mybuntu:

buy hardeare eg video capture card for an older computer

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wagnerrp:

specifically what is this older computer

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wagnerrp:

and what do you intend to capture?

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wagnerrp:

and when you say you are building a mythtv frontend, does that mean you already have a backend elsewhere?

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tgm4883:

I don't have the resources to verify this right now, but is there any issue with ISO's in storage groups on a slave backend? http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11426032&postcount=23

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tgm4883:

this is in 0.24

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Beirdo:

OK, 4.5lb of apples in the crock pot with some lemon juice and some cinnamon

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wagnerrp:

no encrypted isos allowed

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** [R] giggles @ Beirdo **

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Beirdo:

half Fujis, half Galas

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wagnerrp:

cider?

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, yea, he says they aren't encrypted

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wagnerrp:

it does take a bit of time to open

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tgm4883:

he also says he tried it from the master backend and it works fine

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wagnerrp:

30–60 seconds is not unreasonable

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tgm4883:

I can test this when I get home if nobody knows

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tgm4883:

<Beirdo> OK, 4.5lb of steak in my belly with some BBQ sauce and Whiskey [fixed]

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tgm4883:

I'm just gonna say it. That sounds like a great time

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Beirdo:

hah

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Beirdo:

that would kill me

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tgm4883:

but you would go happy

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Beirdo:

Oh, and note to self (once again)... juicing a lemon by hand... with small cuts on your fingers.... BAD idea

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wagnerrp:

man up... pussy

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Beirdo:

of course, I *should* remember such things

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Beirdo:

done dumber things.

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** wagnerrp goes back to shaving with a dull utility knife **

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Beirdo:

like minced jalapenos, then wiped my eyes

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Beirdo:

or used 50k Cayenne Pepper powder... washed my hands... then wiped my eyes

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wagnerrp:

jalapenos never really bother me

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wagnerrp:

now the the little red habeneros...

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Beirdo:

fresh jalapeno juice on the fingers applied to the eyes is uncomfortable

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Beirdo:

the aftermath of the cayenne was MUCH worse

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Beirdo:

even with a very soapy handwash in the middle

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Beirdo:

stung like crap for about 45min

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Beirdo:

you ever heard of lemons with pink flesh?

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Beirdo:

they had some in the supermarket

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wagnerrp:

well ive seen pink lemonade before

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wagnerrp:

surely that has to come from somewhere

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wagnerrp:

its not like theyre adding food coloring and lying

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Beirdo:

nah, that would be un-American

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wagnerrp:

mybuntu: we need more information if you ever expect a meaningful recommendation

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Beirdo:

Variegated Pink

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Beirdo:

nice

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Beirdo:

apparently the flesh ranges from pink lemonadish color to ruby red grapefruit

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mybuntu:

i know wagnerrp i am new to this so i will do more research, just found mythtvtalk.com to do just that.

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wagnerrp:

we can answer you directly if you tell us what hardware you are planning to use

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wagnerrp:

CPU and graphics specifically

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mybuntu:

well the comp is a old dell dm061 core2 duo 1.8 Ghz , the dvb im looking at on ebay is leadtec dtv2000s i am looking at recoreding/watching terestial hdtv will this work

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wagnerrp:

thats a bit on the low end, but likely ok

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wagnerrp:

anything h264 may give you trouble if its single sliced

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mybuntu:

the graphics card needs upgrading also thinking a nvidia gefource 8400

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wagnerrp:

if need be, you can pick up a new 775 Core 2 chip fairly cheaply

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wagnerrp:

what kind of tv are you outputting to?

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mybuntu:

50 inch plasma

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wagnerrp:

so HDMI?

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mybuntu:

yes

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wagnerrp:

GT210 will likely be the cheapest you can find

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wagnerrp:

the 8400s are rather old, and so prices are going back up

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wagnerrp:

only reason to still look for an 8 or 9 series is for analog tv outputs

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wagnerrp:

the GT cards are all digital (and VGA)

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mybuntu:

ok found a gt210 for $46 what about the leadtec dvb card what would you recomend

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wagnerrp:

expensive

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wagnerrp:

you can usually find them for <$30 around here

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wagnerrp:

DVB-T... cant really recommend anything

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wagnerrp:

we dont use them over here

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wagnerrp:

there are a number of other australian and new zealand users that hang around here, or you can wait a couple hours for the european users to wake up

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mybuntu:

ok ill shop around. thanks for your help wagnerrp.

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wagnerrp:

holy crap!

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wagnerrp:

they just dismembered someone in grimm

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wagnerrp:

tore the arm off, right at the socket

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wagnerrp:

and then a tongue-in-cheek.. 'that went a little too far'

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Jinxed-:

if I just have regular cable can I use mythtv?

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wagnerrp:

define 'regular cable'

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Jinxed-:

I found a coax cable in my apt

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Jinxed-:

plugged it in yo my tv

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Jinxed-:

and a

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Jinxed-:

had about 80 or so channels

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wagnerrp:

are you actually subscribed to cable? or have it as part of your rental agreement?

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wagnerrp:

if youre talking about an old CRT tv, those are analog channels

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wagnerrp:

meaning a used PVR-150 or -500

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wagnerrp:

or a new HVR-1600 or -2250

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wagnerrp:

if its a new LCD or plasma, those may be digital, in which case you will want one of the two new cards

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Jinxed-:

well the tv is an lcd

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Jinxed-:

cable was just on

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wagnerrp:

are they channels like 4,5,6, or ones like 22_1, 48_2

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Jinxed-:

umm both

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Jinxed-:

I can use the remote type 24 and get espn

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wagnerrp:

the ones with underscore are digital, the ones without are analog

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wagnerrp:

so you need a card that does both

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wagnerrp:

like the -1600 or -2250

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Jinxed-:

USA ny if that matters

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Jinxed-:

what are those

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wagnerrp:

tuner cards

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wagnerrp:

HVR-1600 and HVR-2260

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Jinxed-:

nice

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Jinxed-:

so I need a desktop

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Jinxed-:

I only have a old desktop

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Jinxed-:

AMD Athlon 2600+

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wagnerrp:

thats marginal, but it should work to start out with

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wagnerrp:

the analog stuff will be fine

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wagnerrp:

but youre on the edge of playback for ATSC content

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Jinxed-:

found the 1600 not 2260

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wagnerrp:

2250

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Jinxed-:

has an Vida graphics card if I remember correctly

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Jinxed-:

wouldn't he speed matter as much as processor

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wagnerrp:

vida?

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Jinxed-:

Nvidia

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Jinxed-:

sorry I'm typing on a tablet that likes to autocorrect

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wagnerrp:

8-series and newer nvidia cards offer hardware decoding

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Jinxed-:

so out of all the cards those are the 2 you recommend

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wagnerrp:

but you likely have a 4 or 5 series with a 2600+

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wagnerrp:

plenty of other cards will do digital just fine

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Jinxed-:

I will check

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wagnerrp:

but if you want to do analog, you want an MPEG encoder

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wagnerrp:

and those are the two internal cards currently for sale that work with mythtv

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Jinxed-:

nice

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Jinxed-:

how can I tell for sure if my cable is digital or analog

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wagnerrp:

i told you

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wagnerrp:

the channels with underscores are digital, the ones without are analog

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Jinxed-:

I know I have had digital cable before and I don't remember underscores

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Jinxed-:

I thought timewarner was mostly digital

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Jinxed-:

but you would know way better than me :-)

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wagnerrp:

your tv seems to know better than both of us

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Jinxed-:

my big tv knew best

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Jinxed-:

lol it said cable analog

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Jinxed-:

NAdia nforce2

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Jinxed-:

nVidia

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Jinxed-:

does that need major upgrading wagnerrp

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wagnerrp:

im not sure if you can still find drivers for a GF2

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wagnerrp:

maybe the old 73.x series will work, if your distro still offers packages for it

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Jinxed-:

lol when I got this system it was super top of the line

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Jinxed-:

prob need a new motherboard

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Jinxed-:

lol prob shojld

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Jinxed-:

just get a whole new machine for a couple hundred that does it all

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Rakeesh:

how do I enable mouse visibility for configuring mythtv backend on my server?

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[R]:

Rakeesh: what does one hvae to do with the other?

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Rakeesh:

the mouse cursor is hidden by default, trying to unhide it

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[R]:

why do you need the mouse?

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Rakeesh:

because configuring the backend (which I don't watch tv on at all) is easier with the mouse

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wagnerrp:

no it isnt

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wagnerrp:

the mythtv ui is not designed for use with a mouse

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lapion:

mythtv doesn't work well with the mouse

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[R]:

what does not watching tv have to do with anything?

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wagnerrp:

so when you do try to use one, it behaves funky

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Rakeesh:

hmm

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wagnerrp:

youre much better off sticking with the keyboard

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[R]:

i need to repositino my antenna... CW gets bit errors occationally

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Rakeesh:

guessing the commercial skip feature creates edit decision lists rather than actually clipping out the video?

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styelz:

yeeerrr

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laga:

redxine: coffee? C|_|

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redxine:

Tea! :3

[09:09:46]

** redxine flips on kettle **

[09:17:44]

redxine:

"The good news is that the market crash in BitCoin GPU mining (if you don't know what this is, don't ask… please) means there is a glut of recent video cards up for sale on eBay right now."

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redxine:

lol. Never thought I'd hear those words yet.

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wizbit:

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Why_a_GPU_mines_faster_than_a_CPU

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redxine1:

Yeah but now it's not economical to mine yourself anymore.

[09:36:38]

redxine1:

eventually it'll be a wonder that people will still run servers, as the block size will get smaller and smaller.

[09:46:50]

wizbit:

the more i read about the ASRock Vision 3D, the more i want one

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redxine1:

why did my nickname change o.o

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redxine:

hrm.

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redxine:

still stuck on that iMac-alike, eh wizbit? :P

[09:50:15]

redxine:

3D TVs in the home baffle me.

[09:52:26]

redxine:

"Extraordinarily designed with High Glossy Aluminum Housing via Anodic Treatment, ASRock Vision 3D HTPC Series represents your superb taste of HTPC system!"

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redxine:

€600 though for the i3 :S

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SharkMonkey:

Does mythtv constantly use the cpu when idle?

[10:39:14]

SharkMonkey:

I'd like a system that I can run off a usb thumb drive and will save any settings changes back to it

[10:45:41]

redxine:

what does cpu usage have anything to do with running it on a flash drive?

[10:45:58]

redxine:

lol

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redxine:

I'm using ~11% of my dual core with myth decoding ogg music....

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redxine:

otherwise from the front screen it's sitting at 3%

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redxine:

and that's just the frontend

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SharkMonkey:

redxine, Two independent questions.

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SharkMonkey:

I was testing out other tools an hour ago, that wanted to use 20% of my cpu when I wasn't doing anything

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redxine:

What processor? And was that the front end or backend?

[10:59:19]

redxine:

oh other PVR software.

[10:59:40]

redxine:

Yeah myth frontend for me is at 3% CPU idle, and the backend is doing nill.

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redxine:

It should be relatively simple to write the mythbuntu ISO or a system image to a flash drive too.

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wizbit:

maybe in that case, we should use a atom cpu for frontends if the cpu is not required

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wizbit:

what else would require cpu usuage in a frontend if you use vdpau?

[11:04:49]

wizbit:

as long as a atom is capable of playing back mp3 / flac, it will be fine?

[11:10:35]

redxine:

Most settop boxes have done that anyways

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redxine:

MPEG2 hardware encoders mean the CPU is the equivalence of duct tape. I'm pretty sure the old cable DVR I had never broke 200 MHz.

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wizbit:

all the hard work will be done on my backend

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redxine:

The flying car future may not be so far away after all. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L75ESD9PBOw

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mediasource:

Hello everyone

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mediasource:

So I picked up an HDHomeRun Prime last night

[12:52:37]

mediasource:

I have Comcast service

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mediasource:

1 Hour waiting at the local office to get the Self Install Kit. 4 Hours on the phone to get the card properly activated and provisioned.

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redxine:

Comcast.... I'm sorry :|

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mediasource:

I am on the phone now trying to get "HD added to the CableCard"

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mediasource:

I have a cable box already with HD channels...

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redxine:

it still baffles me that providers would encrypt cable.

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mediasource:

Now being transferred back to the CableCard deparment because "I already have HD added to the CableCard"!!!

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redxine:

*face paw* oh the wonder that are call centres

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mediasource:

I think the encryption is to sell set top boxes...

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redxine:

do their settop boxes have firewire output anymore?

[13:14:14]

mediasource:

only the broadcast channels on mine

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mediasource:

Oh great, now I don't have ANY channels. I called and they made the problem worse!!!

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redxine:

from what I've heard about comcast just from this IRC channel, the customer service is somewhat sad.

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AndyCap:

redxine: well, if you want to sell different stuff over the same broadcast medium you will probably want some encryption on it

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redxine:

strange.... my system shuts down immediately after I close the front end.

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wagnerrp:

redxine: you reconnected while your own instance was still active

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wagnerrp:

so it appended something to make it a new unique username

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wagnerrp:

SharkMonkey: mythtv should use next to no power when it is idle

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wagnerrp:

20% usage means something is wrong, or you have EIT scanning enable, or you have a /really/ old CPU

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wagnerrp:

wizbit: the problem is that hardware decoding is inherently limited

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redxine:

It's encoding that's most of the work.

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wagnerrp:

its not going to decode the entire mpeg2 or h264 spec, but only a statically defined subset of it

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wagnerrp:

if you have a bunch of old dvds or recordings that you transcoded improperly

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wagnerrp:

or your local broadcasters use some funky encoder

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wagnerrp:

or you simply have some glitches in your stream

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wagnerrp:

hardware decoding will fail

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wagnerrp:

its simply nice to have a beefy CPU in reserve to fall back on

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redxine:

yup

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redxine:

of course flagging commercials will take up time on the clock too.

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wagnerrp:

yes, but then it would be some application other than 'mythbackend' using that CPU

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Twiggy2cents:

man... I was going to import my dvds, but I have way too many. It would take a freaking year to import.

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wagnerrp:

should take you all of 5–10 minutes per disk

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Twiggy2cents:

ugh 64 just in this book. That is a lot of time when added up. I need more drives so I can do more than one at once

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redxine:

Twiggy2cents: you could automate it with some creatively placed lego parts and an arduino

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Twiggy2cents:

lol

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redxine:

http://hackaday.com/2011/10/31/automated-cd-r . . . other-parts/

[15:06:05]

redxine:

I've thought about taking an old CD changer and retrofitting it with DVD writer components and using that as a backup medium.

[15:06:55]

redxine:

A 10 disc changer loaded with all DVD+RW's would yield 80-ish gigabytes. Kind of like tape backup except slightly more random access.

[15:09:10]

wagnerrp:

or buy one of these... http://www.amazon.com/Sony-VGP-XL1B2-Media-Ch . . . p/B000ENU79C

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wagnerrp:

shuffle it back on ebay when your done

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redxine:

"The Sony VAIO XL1B is a 200 disc CD/DVD Changer/Recorder that connects to your Windows XP MCE 2005 PC....."

[15:11:27]

redxine:

so where's the myth drivers? :P

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wagnerrp:

written a couple years back, never made it beyond "ugly hack" stage

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wagnerrp:

!seen GreyFoxx

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MythLogBot:

GreyFoxx is here and has been idle for 2 days 2 hours 3 minutes 25 seconds

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wagnerrp:

huh... no voice

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redxine:

it interested me that IRC rooms can have 150 people in the room and only a few have spoken in the past few days.

[15:13:03]

wagnerrp:

anyway, the "ugly hack" was a bit of code to automate NBD mounting from the backend to the frondend

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** redxine barks at GreyFoxx **

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wagnerrp:

no voice meaning, he is usually voiced, i didnt see him in the user list

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redxine:

I'm sure it'd be simple to do with a script. Whether it looks like duct tape or not.

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wagnerrp:

but then it requires the user run their frontend and backend as root

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wagnerrp:

or you play games with sudo or setuid

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redxine:

Speaking of which I'll need to do that for my... ugly hack

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wagnerrp:

better options came along, mythtv is now capable of streaming ISOs over its own network protocol

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redxine:

only root can access lp0 for some interesting reason.

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wagnerrp:

but it still needs the ISOs to be un-encrypted

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redxine:

loopback filesystem?

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wagnerrp:

well no, were specifically not doing that, which is why they need to be unencrypted

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redxine:

interesting.

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wagnerrp:

either that, or we need to force feed libdvd some new access methods to fool it into thinking it is reading from the file system

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wagnerrp:

when it is actually reading from our own data buffer

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redxine:

wagnerrp... I hum Lohengrin in my head whenever I read your nick.

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wagnerrp:

you get that code written up, and then it just becomes a bit of glue to host remote DVD drives, including this thing

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redxine:

why was loopback struck down as an idea? I'd think it'd be the most robust way to stream ISO's....

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wagnerrp:

because it requires root, or some fancy configuration by the user/distro

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wagnerrp:

theres a big push for any new features to be largely configuration-less

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redxine:

or a line in /etc/fstab :P

[15:19:03]

wagnerrp:

besides which, it wouldnt be loopback

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redxine:

auch so.

[15:19:23]

wagnerrp:

we would have to write our own kernel module (or fusefs module) capable of reading from our backend protocol

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redxine:

bleh

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redxine:

Believe it or not, this is the hardest song I've had to do as a wind player: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzIRt_f7qWk

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redxine:

Simply Because it's sooooooooo loooooonnnnnggggg and drawn out.

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wagnerrp:

wind player... as in woodwind instrument?

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redxine:

Anything that uses wind. Cornet/Trumpet in my case lol

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redxine:

*uses air to make sound

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wagnerrp:

so brass player

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redxine:

non-string in other words lol

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redxine:

it's relatively easier for a symphony, because most of the instruments are just moving a bow.

[15:24:52]

redxine:

Trust me – this one's tough on the entire ensemble.

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wagnerrp:

symphonys have lots of flutes and horns

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redxine:

especially towards the end.

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redxine:

Compared to the strings however, their numbers are relatively low

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redxine:

a full orchestra will maybe have three trumpets.

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wagnerrp:

damaltor: changing channels simply takes a long time

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wagnerrp:

digital tuners need to stabilize, and then wait for a keyframe

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wagnerrp:

analog tuners need to let their internal kernel buffers fill up

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damaltor:

true.. but 5 seconds? thats unaccaptable for a digital tv

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damaltor:

(dvb-s here)

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wagnerrp:

then mythtv has its own buffering due to everything being written to disk, read back from disk, buffered on the backend, streamed to the frontend over the network, buffered on the frontend...

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wagnerrp:

for dvb-s, you can use h264

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wagnerrp:

and h264 may very well be several seconds between each keyframe

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damaltor:

imho this is too long.. my old sat receiver takes a second, maybe two.. so if you want to zap through the channels, it takes forever (and usually dies after a few zaps because it cant open the video buffer)

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damaltor:

yeah i guess the problem is the waiting for the keyframes

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damaltor:

wat do? is there some sort of trick to this?

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wagnerrp:

use mythtv properly

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redxine:

damaltor: My channel change script takes 18 seconds. Compared to the original PowerVu channel changing, it's quite the improvement.

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wagnerrp:

(record, dont watch live)

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Twiggy2cents:

why does Linux have such issues with ejecting disc trays? It seems like they would build in to umount the drive when it gets a request to eject from the button

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damaltor:

yeah i know that this is the main improvement of mythtv. but i actually like live tv

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wagnerrp:

or get cracking on the code to tighten up those buffers and bypass having to read back from the disk

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wagnerrp:

do note that mythtv's contribution to channel change lag is only 2–3 seconds

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damaltor:

Twiggy2cents: should work. if i press the eject button, the disc gets unmounted and ejects

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wagnerrp:

the rest of it is the tuner hardware, and keyframes

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redxine:

keep in mind the original "eject" command was made with floppy and tape drives in mind.

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damaltor:

wagnerrp: well, 5–6 secs minux 2–3 is like half the time.. so that would be great :D but unfortunaetly i am a hardware programmer and am very, very bad in programming for pc apps

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wagnerrp:

the simple issue is that livetv does not get significant use among the developer base

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wagnerrp:

its the 'redheaded stepchild' feature

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wagnerrp:

no one really cares to give it any time or improve it

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damaltor:

yeah i know.. i love it that you actually only choose what you want to see and watch it whenever you like. but i do like live tv very much, so this is not very nice for me

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Twiggy2cents:

You guys need to make mythtv retry the recording if it sees 0b after a few seconds

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wagnerrp:

Twiggy2cents: one of the devs implemented some form of signal monitor into channel changing in the previous version

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wagnerrp:

that had the effect of making wait a lot longer trying a recording

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wagnerrp:

(and the side effect that livetv changing could take longer)

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wagnerrp:

ive honestly not seen a single 0b recording in... maybe two years?

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Twiggy2cents:

so what causes a 0b recording? Is it because it cant get a lock or because of time it took to initialize the tuner or multiple reasons

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damaltor:

is this an _option_ wich can be switched off?

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Twiggy2cents:

I got one last night

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Twiggy2cents:

Other than that, I hadnt seen one in a while

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wagnerrp:

damaltor: not without a big chunk of recompiling, no

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damaltor:

sh*t

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wagnerrp:

it only makes it take longer if it has trouble pulling data from the tuner

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damaltor:

well, i guess ill live with it

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damaltor:

i didnt want to remove the receiver anyway

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damaltor:

so i can use it for live tw watching

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Twiggy2cents:

wagnerrp, manually concatenating some vobs together is the same thing that a gui does if you want to extract the video to mpeg right? (This is an unprotected disc)

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wagnerrp:

Twiggy2cents: not quite

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wagnerrp:

in general, it should work

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wagnerrp:

but there are some things in the structure that need to be cleaned up for issue free use

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Twiggy2cents:

so you are saying that the index could get mucked up?

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wagnerrp:

things like that, yes

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Twiggy2cents:

it seems like cat'ing the files together takes longer than the program does to do it

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wagnerrp:

theyre program streams, not transport streams, so theyre not designed to be arbitrarily jumbled like that

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wagnerrp:

i see a windows vobmerge

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wagnerrp:

if you do that, they will play straight through

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Twiggy2cents:

I am using k9copy for the gui.

[16:08:32]

wagnerrp:

but seeking and other things will be funky

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Twiggy2cents:

okay so I should stick with something that is actually meant to extract the mpeg2 file correctly then

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wagnerrp:

you could script together mkvmerge to do it

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wagnerrp:

remux each into an mkv, merge the mkvs

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wagnerrp:

or, you just keep the whole ISO

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wagnerrp:

not ideal for TV seasons though

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Twiggy2cents:

The only reason I dont want iso's is the load time

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wagnerrp:

fair enough

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Twiggy2cents:

Do bookmarks not work with iso's?

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wagnerrp:

i dont know

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damaltor:

ah, talking about isos: i have quite a lot of dvd isos because my old media player hadled them like a "real" dvd. is there a way to do this in myth?

[16:13:04]

Twiggy2cents:

I am pretty sure that the automatic placeholder bookmarks do not work.

[16:13:19]

wagnerrp:

yes, mythtv handles them like a real dvd

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damaltor:

awesome

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Twiggy2cents:

damaltor, it is supported. Just put the ISO's in your video folder. They load slowly though.

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damaltor:

thx

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wagnerrp:

however they either have to be on the local filesystem, or unencrypted

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damaltor:

i guess thats not a problem

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wagnerrp:

mythtv cannot stream encrypted ISOs from frontend to backend at this point

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damaltor:

i have front/backend on one machine atm

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wagnerrp:

on 0.25, you can use storage groups, and the fronted will automatically find them and open them locally

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wagnerrp:

on 0.24, you have to use the old local folder definitions for video storage in mythfrontend instead

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damaltor:

tats no problem.. i guess

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damaltor:

alternatively, one could try to mount that folder in an nfs or something..

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damaltor:

but i have them on the same machine, so thats not a problem anyway (at least not for me)

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redxine:

I'm guessing standard DVB-S cards won't work with PowerVu....

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redxine:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerVu

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wagnerrp:

i dont know anything about powervu

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wagnerrp:

if its encrypted, you may be able to use a dvb-s card with CI slot

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wagnerrp:

and use a CAM

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redxine:

AFN doesn't use any cards.

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redxine:

You have to register the TID and UA of the receiver

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wagnerrp:

then no

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wagnerrp:

analog capture only

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redxine:

I think I'll donate a record of my saga and scripts to the wiki then.

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wagnerrp:

scripts shouldnt really be needed

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wagnerrp:

just the transmit codes for lirc

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redxine:

it is particually for the channel change.

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redxine:

You can't just type in a channel on this receiver for some strange reason

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wagnerrp:

oh?

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wagnerrp:

funky

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redxine:

only channel up/down.

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redxine:

I found a work around by going to the menu

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redxine:

something like: Menu > Down > Select > (channel number padded with 5 zeros) > Select > Menu (to exit)

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redxine:

hence a rather complicated channel change script.

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wagnerrp:

any serial ports? usb ports? network control?

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redxine:

Some model receivers do, but most of the ones that are distributed are pretty stupid

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redxine:

Cisco has bought SA so I'm not sure what they've done to the new models either, but I don't expect it to have RS232

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wagnerrp:

some of the directtv boxes with usb will accept certain rs232-usb adapters

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wagnerrp:

and allow control

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wagnerrp:

or maybe dishtv

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redxine:

meh

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Topi_:

What could be the reason for a problem when only some channel icons will be found in channel settings? Now I'm using mythbuntu 11.10 and I had no problem in mythbuntu 10.10

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redxine:

I had to set all my channel icons manually

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redxine:

I had problems with them not showing up in mythweb

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mythneuling:

hello guys im new to myth and ubuntu but ive got some experience in suse but im totally overrun by an error and i hope u can give me some tips or links to a solution because i havent found something reliable via google or the documentation

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mythneuling:

heres my question

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mythneuling:

../home/htpc/v4l-dvb/v4l/tuner-xc2028.c:1178:5: error: 'T_DIGITAL_TV' undeclared (first use in this function) /home/htpc/v4l-dvb/v4l/tuner-xc2028.c:1178:5: note: each undeclared identifier is reported only once for each function it appears in /home/htpc/v4l-dvb/v4l/tuner-xc2028.c:1179:1: warning: control reaches end of non-void function [-Wreturn-type] make[3]: *** [/home/htpc/v4l-dvb/v4l/tuner-xc2028.o] Error 1 make[2]: **

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[R]:

mythneuling: and this has what to do with myth?

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wagnerrp:

suse doesnt come with the necessary kernel modules for your card compiled?

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[R]:

mythneuling: you know... aside from nothing

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wagnerrp:

as mentioned, this isnt a mythtv issue, as we dont maintain the tuner drivers

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wagnerrp:

it would be a #linuxtv and/or #suse problem

[18:35:00]

wagnerrp:

or, #ubuntu rather

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mythneuling:

ah sorry i forget to say im using ubuntu so im wrong in the suse channel and thanks for the fast reply ill check the other 2 channels

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wagnerrp:

mythneuling: if you are running an old version of #ubuntu, using an old kernel

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wagnerrp:

you would probably be well served by simply upgrading

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mythneuling:

im using the latest stable release

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[R]:

http://ascii.dyne.org/ best idea ever... myth should have a text based frontend

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wagnerrp:

ubuntu usually compiles just about ever stable kernel module available

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wagnerrp:

including any tuner drivers

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wagnerrp:

if the tuner driver in question has made it to the mainline kernel, you should already have a module for it

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wagnerrp:

if not, then you need to talk to the #linuxtv people on your build issues

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wagnerrp:

[R]: that idea is crap... http://caca.zoy.org/wiki/libcaca

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[R]:

yeah, good point

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redxine:

[R] teletext comes to mind.

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[R]:

we should still make a text based frontend with it though

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redxine:

TV over 300 baud modem

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wagnerrp:

[R]: easier to just open up mplayer... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VP5KvaWz6Dg

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[R]:

yeah, but then you dont have an interface to select recordings

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redxine:

or watch live TV

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[R]:

i invision a dialog(1) based program which then uses libcaca

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[R]:

maybe it just calls mplayer, but you still need the main interface

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wagnerrp:

something with proper curses would work better

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redxine:

curses <3

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redxine:

or ncurses <3 <3

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[R]:

freaking history channel

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[R]:

showing things that dont match up with the listings!

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[R]:

but dialog is so stupid easy

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redxine:

there's just something pleasing about programs with a curses interface

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redxine:

networking on mum's macintosh just took a nose dive.

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redxine:

go figure.

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hR13:

Hi all, Im not sure what has happend I get this error when I start the frontend "Current MythTV Schema Version (DBSchemaVer): 1264" , "Not allowed to upgrade the database. Skipping backup."

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wagnerrp:

you installed and ran the developmental frontend

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wagnerrp:

0.24 uses schema version 1264, while the developmental version is schema version 1283

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hR13:

nopp Its an old installation of mythbuntu 10.04 on the backen and alsom on the front end and as far as I know I have not made any change

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hR13:

wagnerrp, I should be running 0.23

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wagnerrp:

your database seems to say otherwise

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hR13:

Can I downgrad back to what I had befor ?

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wagnerrp:

sure, just install an older package

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wagnerrp:

actually, no

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wagnerrp:

database cannot be downgraded

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wagnerrp:

you must recover from a backup, or upgrade everything to 0.24

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hR13:

hmm, guess I have to make a upgrade before my recordings starts in 20 min :-(

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wagnerrp:

if you upgraded your frontend on that machine, you upgraded your backend as well

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wagnerrp:

you must have upgraded the backend somewhere, because only the master backend and mythtv-setup are allowed to upgrade the primary schema

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hR13:

wagnerrp, I made a testing maching yesterday with 0.24 just to test, can that maybe have done it ?

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wagnerrp:

if you ran it off the same database, yes

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wagnerrp:

note than when you update your schema, you automatically create a backup

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hR13:

no

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hR13:

thanks for the info wagnerrp guess I have to make the upgrades quickly now, have a great evening

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[R]:

this guy is trying to tell me his illegally downloaded 500mb hour long 720p video is good

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[R]:

rofl

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wagnerrp:

where at?

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[R]:

what do you mean where at?

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wagnerrp:

i mean where are you being told this?

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[R]:

oh, its a friend on I

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[R]:

IM

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[R]:

i told him i have 3gb/hr and he asked what kind of "shitty" compression i was using

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[R]:

3gb/half hour

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wagnerrp:

i knew someone who tried to get into downloading movies once

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wagnerrp:

didnt want to waste all that time with the 600–800MB copies, so he went for the matrix, at 87MB

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[R]:

"tried to get into"? what... is this crack or something?

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[R]:

87mb movie... sounds pretty legendary

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wagnerrp:

well clearly he didnt succeed

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[R]:

im watching a show about bread

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[R]:

i want to go to the store and get some

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[R]:

is it weird to just snack on bread?

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high-rez:

Only if you don't have olive oil and vinegar with it (or cheese)

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wagnerrp:

or butter, or some form of meat

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

i once went on a date with a girl, we went to the olive garden, she ordered 'buttered noodles'

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high-rez:

Even a little red sauce.

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[R]:

needless to say, that was the last date

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wagnerrp:

like... thats all she ate?

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[R]:

yes

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[R]:

lol

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wagnerrp:

should have tried to sneak a meatball or two onto her plate

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high-rez:

Was it the last date cause you took her to the olive garden? Maybe she didn't trust they could pull off anything more complicated. :)

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wagnerrp:

but 'buttered noodles' isnt even a dish

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wagnerrp:

if youre going northern italian, it would be olive oil, not butter

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[R]:

high-rez: no, it was the last date because she was a freakin weirdo

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high-rez:

if you're gonna throw some olive oil on some pasta, might as well added some olives to it – and maybe a couple pieces of salami.

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[R]:

high-rez: and the olive garden is a great place to go on a date

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Madhatta:

I have tried to setup mythtv on windows twice now but when I go through the setup it tells me that I can't connect to the database on the standard port. I tried setting up a new server instance just to be sure I had all the correct information and still nothing. The only thing I am unsure about is I was using a program that needed mysql before and I uninstalled it. MythTV says I have mysql installed even though I don't. Is my

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wagnerrp:

youre trying to run a frontend on windows, to connect to a linux backend?

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wagnerrp:

youre only supposed to use one single mysql server

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wagnerrp:

meaning you have it connect to the server on your linux backend

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Madhatta:

It's a windows backend

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wagnerrp:

we dont support windows backends

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Madhatta:

It's all on the same windows HTPC

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Madhatta:

ok

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Madhatta:

thx

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wagnerrp:

the application will run, sort of

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wagnerrp:

but theres a lot of code designed for use on POSIX systems, and no tuner support at all

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Madhatta:

Oh not tuner support?

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Madhatta:

no*

[19:46:00]

Madhatta:

damn ok

[19:46:10]

wagnerrp:

mythtv does not currently support the windows BDA capture interface

[19:46:49]

[R]:

where does one even get a windows backend binary?

[19:47:04]

wagnerrp:

theres a link to someone who builds and distributes them on the wiki

[19:47:13]

[R]:

the point being?

[19:47:16]

Madhatta:

Ok. I guess I'll have to stick with WMC for now. Was hoping to have something integrated into XBMC. Maybe I will try a live install of XBMC and see if I can get a backend working on that.

[19:47:40]

Madhatta:

I don't have a linux server to set it up on.

[19:47:47]

Madhatta:

that's why i was trying that way

[19:47:50]

[R]:

so make one? its like $300

[19:48:01]

Madhatta:

I just spent 300 on my htpc

[19:48:07]

[R]:

well that was dumb

[19:48:10]

Madhatta:

kinda broke for the month :)

[19:48:20]

Madhatta:

I don't think it was dumb. It's a nice computer

[19:48:24]

wagnerrp:

if you just spent it, theres nothing on it, so wipe windows and install linux

[19:48:49]

[R]:

my "htpc" is a ~$70 motherboard, a ~$30 case, and a bluray drive i got for free

[19:48:54]

Madhatta:

not sure if my tuner cards are going to work in Linux

[19:48:59]

wagnerrp:

what cards?

[19:49:04]

[R]:

oh, and i guess technically theres a cf card and a cf to ide adapter, but whos counting

[19:49:47]

Madhatta:

I got a 2.4GHZ celeron processor, a htpc case with power supply, a radeon 6450, 4 gigs of ram and a matx board. For the price I don't really think it can be beat.

[19:49:58]

Madhatta:

I have a hvr-1250 right now

[19:50:04]

[R]:

oh yeah, i guess theres 2gb of ram in there... so another $50

[19:50:06]

wagnerrp:

the 1250 works just fine in linux

[19:50:10]

Madhatta:

just ordered another one and then I have an aver media usb tuner as well.

[19:50:16]

Madhatta:

ok great

[19:50:23]

wagnerrp:

avermedia, thats a tossup

[19:50:24]

wagnerrp:

see...

[19:50:25]

wagnerrp:

!url tuners

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MythLogBot:

tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information

[19:50:37]

Madhatta:

will take a look. thanks

[19:50:41]

[R]:

but hes got a piece of crap ati

[19:50:46]

[R]:

so good lukc with that

[19:50:58]

Madhatta:

SO angry.

[19:51:10]

Madhatta:

the ati got good reviews in HQV tests

[19:51:16]

Madhatta:

and it's fanless

[19:51:24]

[R]:

and? that doesn't mean its a piece of crap

[19:51:29]

wagnerrp:

the situation has gotten better since AMD took over

[19:51:41]

wagnerrp:

but ATI has a record for notoriously bad linux support

[19:51:48]

Madhatta:

It seemed like from what I had read AMD cards will be ok in linux.

[19:51:52]

Madhatta:

gotcha

[19:52:09]

redxine:

that was just a short time when the drivers were in limbo.

[19:52:24]

[R]:

"ok" doesnt mean not a piece of crap

[19:52:30]

redxine:

I remember them working fine in fedora core 6, and suddenly they broke after 11

[19:52:47]

Madhatta:

Would I have problems installing mythtv backend on a XBMC live install?

[19:53:00]

wagnerrp:

live means not installed

[19:53:07]

Madhatta:

well I was going to install it

[19:53:12]

wagnerrp:

by definition, you cannot install anything on xbmc live

[19:53:15]

Madhatta:

but just that distro

[19:53:19]

redxine:

I think it'd be easier to install myth and then install XBMC and the myth frontend for it from there.

[19:53:25]

redxine:

that way at least the backend is already going

[19:53:26]

Madhatta:

gotcha

[19:53:36]

redxine:

*mythbuntu

[19:53:39]

wagnerrp:

well if you install the backend, you get the frontend

[19:53:42]

wagnerrp:

they are not separate

[19:53:55]

Madhatta:

ya just get the plugin for XBMC then, right?

[19:54:07]

redxine:

XBMC in this instance though is strictly the front end.

[19:54:14]

Madhatta:

ok

[19:54:23]

redxine:

As far as I know yes. Haven't tried it.

[19:54:43]

redxine:

I liked how elisa (or whatever it's new name is) handles media, but it's a shame there's no myth frontend in it.

[19:55:03]

redxine:

I didn't like the XBMC theme for the myth plugin either.

[19:56:13]

Madhatta:

Well I will probably try and find a separate drive and install Ubuntu and everything. I already have WMC set up with the tuners and the programming guide but I want a unified solution so I am not switching between WMC and XBMC. Sorry if I am speaking blasphemy in here talking about windows stuff. I appreciate the help.

[19:56:59]

wagnerrp:

didnt elisa get renamed?

[19:56:59]

[R]:

we dont care if you like microsofts retarded closed bs

[19:57:08]

redxine:

yeah I can't remember the name.

[19:57:36]

wagnerrp:

(to be fair, we dont like our own nuppelvideo format either)

[19:57:36]

** redxine applauds [R] **

[19:57:46]

wagnerrp:

mpeg all the way

[19:57:57]

Madhatta:

[R] you in particular seem to care very much.

[19:58:02]

[R]:

wagnerrp: but isnt the only way to get that is with framegrabbers?

[19:58:06]

redxine:

I wish ogv/vorbis/theora worked better.

[19:58:14]

[R]:

Madhatta: becuase i've said oh so much on the topic...

[19:58:21]

wagnerrp:

framegrabbers, and the internal transcoder

[19:58:28]

[R]:

Madhatta: infact, i have said very little on the subject of windows

[19:58:28]

Madhatta:

everything has just been negative.

[19:58:35]

wagnerrp:

redxine: the issue is there is no reason to do anything

[19:58:43]

wagnerrp:

MPEG encoders output... mpeg2 and mpeg2

[19:58:56]

wagnerrp:

digital tuners output mpeg2 containing mpeg2 or mpeg4

[19:59:07]

wagnerrp:

you record it straight to disk and youre done

[19:59:28]

[R]:

mpeg2 inside of mpeg2

[19:59:31]

wagnerrp:

theres no reason for microsoft (or mythtv) to modify it with its own format

[19:59:35]

[R]:

sounds like a recursive nightmare

[19:59:35]

redxine:

some programs just hate any ogv input

[19:59:37]

redxine:

like kdenlive

[19:59:42]

redxine:

and ffmpeg to a point.

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wagnerrp:

the exception is analog framegrabbers, to which there is no initial format

[20:00:22]

wagnerrp:

since you just get raw video

[20:01:35]

redxine:

they need to have hardware dirac cards.

[20:01:56]

redxine:

I know there's hardware encoders already. It's what redux uses.

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redxine:

along with a mere ~500 TB of storage

[20:03:06]

redxine:

where's a safe place to keep a channel change script?

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Twiggy2cents:

redxine, in ~/.mythtv ?

[20:11:52]

Twiggy2cents:

or just ~/

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redxine:

channel changing is done by the backend though

[20:12:07]

Twiggy2cents:

Give it the correct permissions then...

[20:12:14]

redxine:

thats' where I have it.... I just didn't know if it'd be better to go in /usr/local or something.

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Madhatta:

Alright I am doing a backup of my windows install and going to go with Ubuntu to see if I can get a little better solution

[20:16:57]

redxine:

I recommend mythbuntu rather than installing it under a stock ubuntu.

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redxine:

Unity and lightdm I imagine will present a headache when setting up an HTPC

[20:17:52]

Madhatta:

oh mythbuntu is an actual product. ok

[20:18:04]

redxine:

You can easily install the ubuntu desktop later if you want to convert it into a workstation

[20:18:41]

redxine:

http://www.mythbuntu.org/

[20:18:57]

Madhatta:

downloading now.

[20:18:59]

Madhatta:

thanks

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Madhatta:

shouldn't have a problem with installing xbmc on it and using that as my startup I assume?

[20:19:33]

Madhatta:

Sorry, I know a bit about Linux but am definitely not an expert

[20:19:48]

redxine:

XFCE is relatively simple

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redxine:

and mythbuntu has some configuration centre that should make it easy.

[20:20:13]

Madhatta:

ok

[20:20:24]

redxine:

Although I didn't have to touch it so your mileage may vary. But otherwise definitely easier than converting an ubuntu desktop.

[20:20:58]

Madhatta:

I only have one of the HVR-1250's right now. Ordered the second one yesterday. Shouldn't be a problem adding it in later right?

[20:22:18]

redxine:

just open the mythtvconfig menu option in mythbuntu and add the card.

[20:22:36]

Madhatta:

nice.

[20:22:40]

Madhatta:

this sounds pretty good.

[20:22:54]

Madhatta:

hopefully it does alright with my ATI card

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redxine:

should I be able to watch a show while it's being recorded using a single tuner?

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Madhatta:

Seems like you should be able to. You can in WMC

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redxine:

It tells me all tuners are busy if I try to go back to live TV, but I think it's trying to tune to a different channel.

[21:11:12]

redxine:

the default one as set in the config. =/

[21:11:27]

Madhatta:

ah

[21:12:47]

Madhatta:

Weird. I set up some options in mythbuntu and now it is sitting on a wall of text with a spinning circle for like the last five minutes

[21:14:36]

redxine:

what is sitting with a spinning circle exactly?

[21:14:44]

redxine:

is it the mouse cursor?

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Madhatta:

yeah the mouse cursor is spinning

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redxine:

Do you have a PS/2 keyboard?

[21:15:15]

redxine:

or more importantly can you still move the cursor

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Madhatta:

I can move the cursor yes. It's usb for both the mouse and keyboard

[21:15:35]

Madhatta:

I am trying the install again

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redxine:

I need a better wiki title I think

[21:16:14]

redxine:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Using_MythTV_with_AFN

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Madhatta:

Hmm this time it says panic occurred, switching back to text console

[21:17:41]

Madhatta:

and then it froze

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Madhatta:

when I was selecting the location.

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redxine:

Is the num lock on your keyboard flashing?

[21:18:40]

Madhatta:

not sure. restarted

[21:18:45]

Madhatta:

will check if it happens again

[21:18:48]

redxine:

I had a few kernel panics in Mythbuntu 11.10 when I was getting it working

[21:20:34]

redxine:

this release uses kernel 3.0 so there's bound to be a few bumps in the road

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Madhatta:

ok

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redxine:

Are live CD's even capable of saving a stack dump?

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Madhatta:

I assume you're not asking me. Sorry, I have no clue.

[21:25:35]

Madhatta:

Will I have to go out and get the driver for my ATI card or will it install with mythbuntu?

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mediasource:

Does anyone have advice/opinions on running 0.24-fixes vs 0.25 for use with a HDHomeRun Prime

[21:29:21]

mediasource:

I am looking at ditching the HD-PVR and cable box setup. Currently on 0.24-fixes

[21:30:52]

redxine:

ubuntu should have the driver included in the kernel

[21:31:16]

redxine:

if not then you can have it search for and install it by opening "Hardware Drivers" under the Administration menu.

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mediasource:

So is anyone in here running 0.24-fixes with a HDHomeRun Prime?

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Madhatta:

thanks redxine

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redxine:

my pleasure

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pyther:

No happens to live in the greater Toledo Ohio area, do they?

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redxine:

How close is that to Cincinnati?

[21:54:15]

pyther:

redxine: far away :)

[21:54:19]

redxine:

I'm usually over the summer lol.

[21:54:46]

pyther:

redxine: google says 3 1/2 hours away

[21:55:15]

pyther:

There is a local cable channel that is broadcasting the Toledo Womans Soccer Game (Championship game)

[21:55:21]

redxine:

roughly as far away as my mate. Never made the trip though.

[21:55:36]

redxine:

pyther: So what else is new? :P

[21:55:41]

pyther:

I'm trying to find someone who would be nice enough to stream it to me

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redxine:

They have comcast there, don't they?

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pyther:

redxine: yah comcast and time warner cable

[21:58:39]

redxine:

sounds settop-box encumbered

[21:58:40]

redxine:

x3

[21:59:01]

pyther:

unfortantly, the channel that is airing the game is owend by BCSN (the local isp/cable operator)

[21:59:33]

redxine:

they probably just repackage comcast's services anyways

[21:59:41]

redxine:

I've seen that a lot in the US.

[21:59:57]

koffel:

i have mythtv 23 and ubuntu 8.10 .... i have a hd pvr can't seem to get it to see it

[22:02:02]

redxine:

Sounds like a drivers issue. I'd recommend upgrading to at least an LTS version of Ubuntu that's still getting kernel fixes.

[22:02:20]

redxine:

That'd mean Ubuntu 10.04 at minimum

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koffel:

damn that sucks

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redxine:

bringing the drivers to current would be a nightmare. It'd be easiest to test the card with a live CD and install it if it works.

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Madhatta:

What type of card do I select in the backend for an HVR-1250

[22:13:20]

Madhatta:

?

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prologic:

umm

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prologic:

the one that comes up in the list

[22:14:01]

prologic:

I have one myself

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Madhatta:

DVB I guess.

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prologic:

exactly :)

[22:16:04]

prologic:

it's a DVD-T card

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prologic:

you using Mythbuntu?

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Madhatta:

Yeah

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Madhatta:

trying to figure out how to set everything up. I got into the backend

[22:16:40]

Madhatta:

and tried to select a tuner card but there was no list to choose from

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[R]:

sounds like you arne't reading the documentation

[22:18:16]

Madhatta:

again with the negativity

[22:18:33]

[R]:

truths a bitch, ain't it

[22:18:42]

Madhatta:

it's not the truth

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Madhatta:

thats the thing

[22:19:12]

redxine:

there's an acronym to the whole thing.

[22:19:14]

redxine:

RTFM

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[R]:

if you had read the documentation, you would know how to set it up

[22:20:27]

redxine:

I've gotten into reading manuals and technical documentation for pleasure

[22:20:27]

Madhatta:

look I am going through it right now but some of it is not so clear.

[22:20:29]

redxine:

"Just in case"

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Madhatta:

I am on the site right now.

[22:20:59]

Madhatta:

it wasn't real clear that the DVB was the correct option

[22:23:24]

Madhatta:

Schedules direct costs money?

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[R]:

schedules direct is for the US

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Madhatta:

that's where I am

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[R]:

i thoguht you were using DVBT...

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Madhatta:

I don't know thats the hting.

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[R]:

what?

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Madhatta:

I was trying to add my tuner card but I am not sure what option to pick

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Madhatta:

and DVB DTV Capture card is the only one that looks like it is detecting something

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redxine:

schedule information should be freely available in most of europe or can be obtained by the card over the air with ITA.

[22:26:57]

prologic:

Madhatta, dude calm down :)

[22:27:00]

prologic:

take a deep breath

[22:27:10]

prologic:

Mythtv isn't for the average user to just install and go :)

[22:27:11]

Madhatta:

I'm not worked up. haha

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prologic:

sounds like you're missing the driver for your card

[22:27:26]

prologic:

the latest Mythbuntu didn't work for me FYI

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prologic:

and maybe you're missing the firmware files

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prologic:

the Hauppauge HVR-1250 works fine with linux-3.1

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redxine:

3.1 is a development release though

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[R]:

says who?

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redxine:

says the kernel developer version system.

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Madhatta:

Well it shows something under the option I mentioned before

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redxine:

all odd numbered kernel releases are development

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[R]:

the one they stopped using like 10 years ago?

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redxine:

o.o

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[R]:

you mean taht one?

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redxine:

but I never saw a kernel 2.7

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Madhatta:

I'll continue through the guide and see where I get to.

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redxine:

or 2.5 for that matter

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[R]:

redxine: 2.5 existed

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redxine:

yes, and was deemed a development release and unfit for production machines

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prologic:

Madhatta, you need to get the devices working first

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redxine:

Every distro I can think of has never shipped with an odd numbered kernel

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prologic:

# ls /dev/dvb/

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[R]:

redxine: yes

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prologic:

adapter0 adapter1

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[R]:

and like i said

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Madhatta:

So it's not a DBV DTV tuner card then? I will look into it

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[R]:

they stopped using that numbering systme YEARS ago

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prologic:

Madhatta, if you don't have any dvb devices, you need to start there

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redxine:

Linux mythbox 3.0.0-12-generic #20-Ubuntu SMP Fri Oct 7 14:50:42 UTC 2011 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux

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redxine:

then why on earth do I have a 3,0 kernel in a distro released last month?

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prologic:

hey

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[R]:

redxine: why not?

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prologic:

I'm using 3.1.0 just fine :)

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prologic:

development or not

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prologic:

of course I compiled it myself

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redxine:

*face paw*

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redxine:

the last time I tried to compile a kernel I ran out of hard drive space.

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redxine:

Given it was an archaic machine, but still.

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Madhatta:

I think I do have a DVB device though

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prologic:

so you've never compiled your own kernel since?

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prologic:

just rely on the distro released images?

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redxine:

The binaries always had the modules I needed

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prologic:

Madhatta, how do you know? is tehre a device in /dev fs?

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Madhatta:

it says DVB:/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0

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redxine:

I had to compile the one for arch because I needed a packet radio kernel support

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prologic:

there's nothing like building your own though – if that's the type of person you are :)

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redxine:

I suppose I'm not brave enough to do bleeding edge on any of my production machines

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prologic:

:)

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prologic:

it was a simple case of mythbuntu didn't work for me, so crapped that in favor of my "more-used-to/favorite" distro (crux) and built my own kernel that worked for my hw, tried 2.6.38.5 2.6.39 and finally 3.1.0 :)

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redxine:

I prefer the healed edge x3

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prologic:

intel graphics (i915) was a pain too till I moved up to 3.1

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redxine:

oh god don't get me started on that one x.x

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prologic:

heh

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redxine:

3.0 didn't exist yet when all my friends complained to me about it x3

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prologic:

intel gfx (sandy bridge) was a right royal pain

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prologic:

but hey my backend/frontend all works :)

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redxine:

yay ^.^

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redxine:

I like arch because it'll run on effing anything you throw at it

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redxine:

including, to quote the installer text: "....a gas powered blender"

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prologic:

yeah so will crux (if you put enough work into it) :)

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redxine:

it's all in the wiki :P

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redxine:

lol

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prologic:

crux and arch share a lot of similar features

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redxine:

I always thought crux was that one default theme in Gnome x3

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prologic:

haha

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prologic:

nah it's a rather unique distro and one of the originals

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redxine:

let's see.... BSD-style inits.... =|

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redxine:

lol

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prologic:

arch borrowed a lot of "ideas" from crux :)

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prologic:

and then 4 years later it became one of the most popular distros

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prologic:

go figure

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redxine:

yggdrasil (sp?)

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prologic:

heh

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redxine:

wow it's right x3

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redxine:

Yggdrasil Linux/GNU/X

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prologic:

Yggdrasil? hmm

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prologic:

not sure I follow you: )

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redxine:

it was the first live CD to ship with X lol

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prologic:

oh

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prologic:

yeah was reading the wikipedia article

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prologic:

random :)

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redxine:

have you seen revolution OS?

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redxine:

Great film

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prologic:

hmm no can't say I have

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prologic:

trying to get mythlink working atm

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redxine:

it was on google video for the longest time

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redxine:

every linux user should watch it :P

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prologic:

then install/configure air-video-server

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prologic:

:)

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redxine:

actually every person should watch it lol

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prologic:

I shall watch it :)

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redxine:

yay

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redxine:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7707585592627775409

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prologic:

cool thanks

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prologic:

sounds intresting

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prologic:

my god I need a compile farm

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redxine:

LOL x3

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redxine:

but then you wouldn't be able to do this: http://xkcd.com/303/

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prologic:

forgot to compile and install the perl mythtv bindings

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prologic:

hahaha lol

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prologic:

that's so true

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prologic:

you're too much of a geek

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redxine:

ROFL x3

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prologic:

worse than me – that's sad :)

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redxine:

I try :P

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prologic:

Madhatta, how are you going with your box?

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prologic:

I should say, if you have any shred or ounce of linux experience, I'd scrap Mythbuntu to be perfectly honest

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prologic:

use Arch or something

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prologic:

I'd say CRUX of course – but you have to be brave enough to learn your hardware in intimate detail and be prepared to hand comile things

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redxine:

Mythbuntu saves the trouble of getting rid of/installing an appropriate DM and has xfce to do things like get network manager running among other things

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redxine:

it's very fast to boot on my machine also

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prologic:

yeah

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prologic:

because I hdn't used MythTV in a number of years, I went the Mythbuntu route (at first)

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prologic:

but then the most recent upgrade just broke everything

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redxine:

o.o

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redxine:

everything?

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prologic:

I'd learned enough about my hardware, setup, etc. so cscapped it and went back to CRUX :)

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prologic:

yeah

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prologic:

it really got b0rked

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Madhatta:

prologic: it's scanning now

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Madhatta:

QAM256 and cable seems to be working

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prologic:

oh ?

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prologic:

you have a DVB-C card?

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Madhatta:

it's an HVR-1250 and it picked it up under dvr dtv it seems

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Madhatta:

dvb I mean

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Madhatta:

mythtv backend keeps freezing on me

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