| Thursday, November 3rd, 2011, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:09] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: should #10146 be marked as invalid, incomplete theme? |
| [00:00:27] | wagnerrp: | AlphaWolf: i thought the tivo hds used cablecards |
| [00:00:33] | AlphaWolf: | it does |
| [00:00:47] | wagnerrp: | so why cant you use it for cable? |
| [00:01:01] | AlphaWolf: | but if you reprogram the prom to not check for digital signitures in the kernel, and remove the initrd from the kernel, you're free to modify tivoapp to ignore the CCI byte |
| [00:01:50] | AlphaWolf: | now, there is a work in progress to make tivo hd usable as a mythtv tuner, but I have no idea how or when that is progressing |
| [00:02:01] | wagnerrp: | ive never heard of such a thing |
| [00:02:16] | AlphaWolf: | dealdatabase.com/forum |
| [00:02:23] | wagnerrp: | seems like a lot of work for little worth |
| [00:02:32] | Beirdo: | nor would we support hacking tivos to bypass DRM |
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| [00:02:41] | AlphaWolf: | depends on what its worth do you |
| [00:02:59] | Beirdo: | no it doesn't. We don't support outright piracy. |
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| [00:03:18] | wagnerrp: | too much effort for a single tuner, when you can just pick up a DCR-2650 for <$150 |
| [00:03:28] | wagnerrp: | (dual tuner -2650) |
| [00:03:30] | AlphaWolf: | its not piracy, if you don't redistribute its fair use |
| [00:03:43] | AlphaWolf: | tivo hd's can be had for $50-$75, and you get two tuners, not one |
| [00:03:44] | Beirdo: | hehe, I can get a tivo 2 for real cheap... a pile of em at Goodwill |
| [00:03:57] | AlphaWolf: | well a tivo hd, not a tivo series 2 |
| [00:04:08] | wagnerrp: | 2's didnt do cablecard |
| [00:04:14] | plut0: | anyone use usb-uirt? |
| [00:04:19] | wagnerrp: | only HDs, 3s, and Premiers |
| [00:04:29] | wagnerrp: | plut0: you already asked that |
| [00:04:38] | Beirdo: | doesn't matter. Reprogramming them to bypass DRM is verboten discussion topic here anyways. DMCA may be a crappy law, but we choose to steer a wide berth around it. |
| [00:04:52] | plut0: | wagnerrp: you heard me |
| [00:05:04] | AlphaWolf: | I see |
| [00:05:09] | wagnerrp: | i could either respond in the negative, or not respond at all |
| [00:05:10] | AlphaWolf: | anyways that isn't what I am attempting to do here |
| [00:05:12] | wagnerrp: | which would you prefer? |
| [00:05:21] | AlphaWolf: | that is something I've already done |
| [00:05:26] | kormoc: | dealdatabase.com sounds like a trustworthy site |
| [00:05:39] | plut0: | wagnerrp: haha i'm just being a smartass |
| [00:06:03] | AlphaWolf: | It's an old tivo hacking site that sort of spawned from a group of hobbiests who frequented that site |
| [00:06:48] | AlphaWolf: | most tivo hacks have nothing to do with copy protection |
| [00:06:56] | AlphaWolf: | usually it involves extending or improving existing features |
| [00:07:04] | AlphaWolf: | bypassing DRM is merely a perk |
| [00:07:47] | wagnerrp: | "stealing tivo service the legal way"... something there doesnt make sense |
| [00:08:04] | AlphaWolf: | where did you read that? |
| [00:08:08] | plut0: | oxymoron? |
| [00:08:11] | wagnerrp: | that forum |
| [00:08:15] | AlphaWolf: | what page? |
| [00:08:26] | AlphaWolf: | getting tivo service for free is a forbidden topic there |
| [00:08:36] | wagnerrp: | one from way back in 2007 |
| [00:08:49] | AlphaWolf: | that might be from the oztivo group |
| [00:08:49] | wagnerrp: | seems the 'legal way' is not stealing at all, but instead installing some other DVR software on it |
| [00:09:04] | AlphaWolf: | I don't know of any such project |
| [00:09:15] | wagnerrp: | thats because there can be no such project |
| [00:09:26] | AlphaWolf: | but anyways, the oztivo group, as well as the tivocanada group, were getting tivo service in australia/canada prior to tivo even offering service there |
| [00:09:35] | wagnerrp: | because no one has the documentation to write hardware drivers to make any other DVR software work with it |
| [00:09:54] | Beirdo: | or nobody that will/can admit it :) |
| [00:10:16] | Beirdo: | who knows who might have a copy under NDA |
| [00:10:21] | AlphaWolf: | no trust me I know all of the upper end developers, there is no ongoing project to do that |
| [00:10:31] | wagnerrp: | im not saying there is |
| [00:10:37] | AlphaWolf: | I've been in that scene for over 8 years |
| [00:10:47] | wagnerrp: | im talking about misinformed users with no clue about hardware |
| [00:10:47] | Beirdo: | we're happy for you :) |
| [00:10:55] | wagnerrp: | thinking that anything that runs linux can run mythtv |
| [00:11:06] | AlphaWolf: | oh yeah, those stop by now and again |
| [00:11:11] | Beirdo: | hehe. with enough memory, technically, it can |
| [00:11:17] | plut0: | why not? |
| [00:11:20] | Beirdo: | might suck rocks, but it can run |
| [00:11:22] | wagnerrp: | not realizing that little underpowered MIPS chip is next to worthless without access to the hardware decoders |
| [00:11:30] | wagnerrp: | sure, it can run, at like 2fps |
| [00:11:36] | Beirdo: | yeah :) |
| [00:11:39] | AlphaWolf: | well, tivo isn't really designed for that, the hardware is made very specifically around the tivo UI |
| [00:11:58] | AlphaWolf: | it doesn't even have a framebuffer that I am aware of |
| [00:12:03] | wagnerrp: | exactly, it is a very tightly integrated unit, which is what allows them to get away with such minimal hardware |
| [00:12:26] | wagnerrp: | but people see linux, and think one linux box is identical to the next |
| [00:12:42] | AlphaWolf: | yeah |
| [00:12:56] | AlphaWolf: | the only thing it shares in common is the kernel and a select few coreutils |
| [00:12:59] | Beirdo: | sure... a MIPS is really the same as an i7 :) |
| [00:13:00] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [00:13:02] | wagnerrp: | every couple months we have to trash someone's dreams about running mythtv on X sigma-based system, or Y MIPS-based system |
| [00:13:19] | wagnerrp: | does on i7 have thousands of MIPS in it? |
| [00:13:24] | wagnerrp: | bleh |
| [00:13:28] | wagnerrp: | doesn't an... |
| [00:13:29] | plut0: | i'm hoping to virtualize mythtv |
| [00:13:37] | AlphaWolf: | I've got a q6700 with 8GB ram and 1.5tb hard disk I am planning on running mythtv on |
| [00:13:46] | AlphaWolf: | speak of which |
| [00:13:53] | wagnerrp: | any second hard drive? |
| [00:13:54] | AlphaWolf: | should that be powerful enough hardware to seamlessly run netflix? |
| [00:14:06] | sphery: | Beirdo: yeah, everyone knows MIPS is RISC and an Atom is just an i7 that uses 4W |
| [00:14:14] | AlphaWolf: | I was going to put a wd raptor 150 in there, but it was noisy so I took it out |
| [00:14:26] | wagnerrp: | its preferred you store your recordings to something other than the disk your database is on' |
| [00:14:31] | Beirdo: | sphery: but of course! |
| [00:14:34] | wagnerrp: | and you cant use netflix in linux |
| [00:14:41] | AlphaWolf: | right, but under a VM |
| [00:14:43] | sphery: | yep, just run it in a VM |
| [00:14:47] | AlphaWolf: | VM running an old copy of XP I have |
| [00:14:49] | wagnerrp: | ... |
| [00:15:00] | sphery: | I have 12 VM's on my frontend--so I can run all 12 programs I like to use |
| [00:15:04] | ** wagnerrp bows out at that one ** | |
| [00:15:17] | AlphaWolf: | sphery can you launch them seemlessly from myth? |
| [00:15:26] | plut0: | android supports netflix and it runs on linux... |
| [00:15:39] | sphery: | that was a joke... about how on the -users list people seem to think you can't do multitasking without VMs |
| [00:15:46] | wagnerrp: | plut0: no, its the other way around |
| [00:15:58] | plut0: | right |
| [00:15:59] | wagnerrp: | netflix supports android specifically |
| [00:16:18] | wagnerrp: | which a special proprietary application written for that architecture |
| [00:16:22] | AlphaWolf: | well android also runs on qualcomm and tegra hardware which contains DRM hardware, in addition to dalvik, that the netflix on android wants |
| [00:16:23] | wagnerrp: | s/which/with/ |
| [00:16:46] | plut0: | hmm that gives me a thought, wonder if you can run the android emulator in linux to launch netflix |
| [00:16:51] | wagnerrp: | netflix has no generic support for GNU/Linux |
| [00:16:59] | AlphaWolf: | can't do that either |
| [00:17:00] | wagnerrp: | nor does it have any applications which will run against an X server |
| [00:17:07] | plut0: | have you tried? |
| [00:17:08] | AlphaWolf: | it looks for the qualcomm or tegra DRM asic |
| [00:17:11] | wagnerrp: | so, youre stuck with silverlight |
| [00:17:16] | AlphaWolf: | without those it simply won't run |
| [00:17:18] | wagnerrp: | which doesnt ship on linux |
| [00:17:30] | plut0: | AlphaWolf: have you tried? |
| [00:17:40] | AlphaWolf: | no, but I don't need to, I already know it won't work |
| [00:17:42] | wagnerrp: | you can use moonlight on linux, but moonlight doesnt have the DRM bits netflix requires |
| [00:17:56] | plut0: | don't emulators emulate? ;) |
| [00:18:37] | AlphaWolf: | well technically it's not an emulator |
| [00:18:54] | sphery: | how to do NetFlix with MythTV: Roku/Wii/PS3/XBox 360 + XBox Live/Qriosity/Smart TV/... and the input/Netflix button on the TV remote |
| [00:18:59] | AlphaWolf: | it simulates the higher level functions of the ARM platform |
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| [00:19:36] | AlphaWolf: | anyways I have to go to school, taking CCNP courses, late |
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| [00:22:55] | plut0: | i'm curious now |
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| [02:07:22] | bruderbell: | Hi folks. I've gotten my connection to mysql all dorked up and can't seem to remedy it. This is an active master backend server with plenty of content on it, and I'm not anxious to reinstall the whole she-bang. I know my root password and cann access mysql using it, but I can't figure out how to set mythtv to regain access. Insights? |
| [02:08:04] | wagnerrp: | grant all on mythconverg.* to 'mythtv'@'my.ip.address' identified by 'mythtv'; |
| [02:08:38] | bruderbell: | My users are like mythtv@localhost |
| [02:08:55] | bruderbell: | but I have manually set the IP of the machine to 192.168.1.107 |
| [02:08:55] | wagnerrp: | hostname can work too if you have those defined |
| [02:09:05] | bruderbell: | shoudl they be @192....107? |
| [02:10:46] | wagnerrp: | what IP address for the database did you tell mythtv to use? |
| [02:10:53] | bruderbell: | 107 |
| [02:11:04] | wagnerrp: | then grant permission to that address |
| [02:11:32] | bruderbell: | Should the usernames in mysql be showing @localhost or @192.168.1.107? |
| [02:11:48] | wagnerrp: | theyll be whatever you set them as |
| [02:12:52] | bruderbell: | Rog that. When I query for the host and user from user, I see that user mythtv is at host localhost |
| [02:13:26] | bruderbell: | so the above command for me should look like |
| [02:14:00] | bruderbell: | grant all on mythconverg.* to 'mythtv'@'localhost' identified by 'mythtv'; |
| [02:14:09] | wagnerrp: | should work |
| [02:14:14] | bruderbell: | I shall try it |
| [02:14:30] | bruderbell: | Query ok, zero rows affected |
| [02:15:43] | bruderbell: | When I try to start my frontend, I get ye olde "mythtv could not connect to the database. Verify.." |
| [02:16:31] | bruderbell: | and I get no love with either "localhost" or "192.168.1.107" |
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| [02:18:27] | bruderbell: | I've manually reset the mythtv user's password and verified that it matches what the frontend is using |
| [02:20:26] | kisak: | from the frontend, fire up a terminal and see if you can connect to the mysql server directly with something like mysql -u mythtv -h mylovelymysqlbackend mythconverg -p |
| [02:21:40] | bruderbell: | what does the -h do? |
| [02:21:44] | kisak: | host |
| [02:22:01] | bruderbell: | so do I need that to be my backend's IP? |
| [02:22:24] | kisak: | that would work |
| [02:22:48] | bruderbell: | rog that. I'm in |
| [02:22:58] | kisak: | it worked? |
| [02:23:08] | bruderbell: | yessir |
| [02:23:15] | kisak: | that means basic connectivity is fine |
| [02:23:54] | kisak: | you do not have a problem with login permissions on the mysql server |
| [02:24:01] | bruderbell: | what should my port be? |
| [02:25:17] | bruderbell: | my googling indicates it should be 6543 by default |
| [02:25:29] | kisak: | for mysql? |
| [02:25:47] | styelz: | make sure the symlinks in .myhtv dir in your home folder are correct maybe, like config.xml mysql.txt to point to /etc/mythtv/ files |
| [02:25:47] | bruderbell: | yeah, in the mythfrontend wizard that comes up for connectivity |
| [02:26:01] | kisak: | 3306 is the default port for mysql |
| [02:27:10] | bruderbell: | oh for the love. I jsut tried that port and it at least got me out of the wizard |
| [02:27:27] | bruderbell: | but when frontend opened, it said "is master backend running?: |
| [02:28:40] | kisak: | so then you check to see if mythbackend is actually running |
| [02:29:06] | kisak: | ps -A should list all processes on the backend if you don't have something fancier to find out |
| [02:29:16] | kisak: | (when run from the backend) |
| [02:30:10] | bruderbell: | I can check that in a sec. But I just opened mythtv-setup |
| [02:30:36] | bruderbell: | and my local backend is defined as the correct IP address, and the prot is defined as 6543, with status prot as 6544 |
| [02:30:41] | bruderbell: | *port |
| [02:31:06] | bruderbell: | Could I have some dumb firewall intercepting traffic here? |
| [02:31:31] | iamlindoro: | no. If it works on the command line, you have connectivity |
| [02:31:41] | bruderbell: | Rog that |
| [02:31:44] | iamlindoro: | your config.xml files and/or mysql.txt files have the wrong info |
| [02:31:55] | iamlindoro: | do a "locate config.xml" and "locate mysql.txt" |
| [02:32:02] | bruderbell: | closing mythtv-setup to check if backend is running properly |
| [02:32:23] | iamlindoro: | edit every one of them and make sure the IP points at your MySQL server, username is the one you tried on the command line, and the password is the one you set |
| [02:32:35] | bruderbell: | Mythbackend is running |
| [02:32:47] | kisak: | I've never used mythtv-setup to test mythbackend's sanity |
| [02:32:56] | bruderbell: | checking those files. you all rock btw – thx for the help |
| [02:35:19] | bruderbell: | do I care about /tec/mythtv/mysql.txt? |
| [02:35:25] | bruderbell: | */etc/ |
| [02:35:42] | iamlindoro: | is mythtv in the path? You tell me whether it's important |
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| [02:36:22] | bruderbell: | Ok, yeah, that one matters for sure. I have another one that is in /usr/share/mythtv/mysql.txt.dist |
| [02:38:12] | bruderbell: | hmmm. I have some bogus values in the config.xml. No port listed. Should it be 3306 or 6543? |
| [02:38:49] | iamlindoro: | Depends on which port you are referring to |
| [02:38:57] | iamlindoro: | if you mean the DB port, you likely want it to be 3306 |
| [02:39:05] | bruderbell: | DBPort is the tag |
| [02:39:13] | bruderbell: | Rog |
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| [02:40:17] | sedwards__: | looking for help with a Prime and TimeWarner |
| [02:40:31] | iamlindoro: | besides "return the prime?" |
| [02:40:42] | iamlindoro: | since it's basically useless with TWC |
| [02:40:55] | iamlindoro: | (and MythTV, anyway) |
| [02:41:27] | sedwards__: | Why is that? I get a couple of channels, but not all that I pay for. |
| [02:41:34] | wagnerrp: | exactly |
| [02:41:43] | iamlindoro: | Because TWC sets all the channels to copy-once |
| [02:41:45] | iamlindoro: | or copy-never |
| [02:41:47] | wagnerrp: | with mythtv, you can only record those channels marked 'copy freely' |
| [02:41:52] | iamlindoro: | ^^ |
| [02:42:05] | sedwards__: | Is this different than other cable operators? |
| [02:42:12] | iamlindoro: | yes, TWC is by far the worst |
| [02:42:17] | iamlindoro: | Comcast and FIOS are the best |
| [02:42:31] | sedwards__: | What department within TW makes these decisions? |
| [02:42:38] | iamlindoro: | executive |
| [02:43:14] | sedwards__: | How would I go about convincing them to change this policy. |
| [02:43:29] | kisak: | the sad part is that the only thing you can do to fight it is to vote with your wallet |
| [02:43:45] | bruderbell: | iamlindoro: it was indeed the config.xml files. 3306 and I am back in business |
| [02:43:46] | iamlindoro: | offer them more money than they get from the content providers, and convince them that they lose nothing by allowing people to record content |
| [02:43:52] | iamlindoro: | bruderbell: cool |
| [02:44:22] | sedwards__: | Why do other cable operators flag channels differently. |
| [02:44:25] | bruderbell: | One last question. How would I have gotten into this predicament? |
| [02:45:02] | iamlindoro: | package overwriting a file where it shouldn't have? Myth won't change them. |
| [02:45:11] | iamlindoro: | sedwards__: Because other businesses make other decisions |
| [02:45:21] | iamlindoro: | Some more customer friendly, some less |
| [02:45:25] | kisak: | bruderbell: yesterday I marked a problem down as cosmic radiation |
| [02:45:29] | iamlindoro: | TWC is the worst, FIOS probably the best |
| [02:45:40] | iamlindoro: | with Comcast fairly close to FIOS |
| [02:45:49] | iamlindoro: | RCN also good |
| [02:45:52] | iamlindoro: | Cox closer to TWC |
| [02:46:27] | kisak: | FIOS content streams ment for west coast is better than east coast |
| [02:46:39] | wagnerrp: | how is that? |
| [02:46:40] | bruderbell: | I'll write this one off to bad karma. Have a pleasant evening |
| [02:46:59] | sedwards__: | What is the name of the flag that determines the 'copyability?' |
| [02:47:35] | wagnerrp: | CCI |
| [02:48:12] | sedwards__: | OK. Any clue what CCI stands for and which department within TW sets its policy? |
| [02:48:39] | wagnerrp: | this is corporate policy |
| [02:48:48] | kisak: | wagnerrp: there's alot of premium channels with an east coast and west coast time offset in which you can capture the west coast stream, but the east coast stream is blocked |
| [02:48:53] | wagnerrp: | youre not going to be able to get far enough up any chain to make any difference |
| [02:48:58] | styelz: | moo |
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| [02:49:52] | iamlindoro: | CCI = Copy Control Information |
| [02:51:11] | bruderbell: | exit |
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| [02:51:30] | iamlindoro: | aaaaaaaaand you're welcome |
| [02:51:51] | wagnerrp: | he did say to have a pleasant evening |
| [02:52:07] | wagnerrp: | HAHAHAHA |
| [02:52:25] | wagnerrp: | an E-350 _is_ an upgrade to someone previously running on VIA hardware |
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| [02:56:42] | bruderbell: | I apologize for my abrupt return. I have a second machine on my network that runs off a live USB of mythbuntu. Since I just manually reset my password for my mysql mythtv user, I no longer have access from my live USB computer |
| [02:57:01] | bruderbell: | Does anyone know from whence the Mythbuntu live session configuration wizard gets the password it tries to use? |
| [02:57:40] | wagnerrp: | mysql passwords dont work that way |
| [02:58:01] | wagnerrp: | the password you set on one host is completely independent from one you set for another host |
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| [02:59:15] | bruderbell: | so when it doesn't connect, it says that it failed to connect to database mythconverg@192.168.1.107 for user mythtv with password _____ and it gives the wrong password |
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| [02:59:31] | wagnerrp: | you need to add another, independent grant for the other host |
| [02:59:37] | bruderbell: | but I never input that, or at least I dont' recall having input that. Can I give it my correct password? |
| [02:59:42] | wagnerrp: | or, you need to add a grant with a wildcard such that it covers both hosts |
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| [03:00:27] | bruderbell: | I apologize if you already answered this, but can it not use the same mysql username and pass? |
| [03:00:50] | wagnerrp: | it can use the same password, or it can use a different password, or you can allow it to connect with no password |
| [03:00:53] | wagnerrp: | it is completely independent |
| [03:01:13] | bruderbell: | Ok, I do understand that. It is however I set the permissions in my mysql. |
| [03:01:30] | mactalla: | I'm new to MythTV. Looking for (keyboard) commands related to subtitles. So far I've found 't' to toggle them on/off, however I can't find anything to cycle between available subtitles. Where can I find a list of keyboard commands? |
| [03:02:08] | bruderbell: | So right now it wants my same password, but I don't know where this machine is looking (a txt file somewhere?) to read taht wrong password. |
| [03:02:08] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Keybindings |
| [03:02:26] | wagnerrp: | the logs will tell you what config file it opened to read that from |
| [03:02:37] | kisak: | you start with M for menu when you don't know an exact keybinding |
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| [03:03:31] | mactalla: | wagnerrp: excellent, thx |
| [03:04:38] | mactalla: | kisak: yeah, found 'm', too, but the menu doesn't even let me toggle subs. |
| [03:06:46] | bruderbell: | I found /var/log/mythtv/jamu.log but it calls out a file that I've already corrected, yet I see no change in behavior |
| [03:07:40] | wagnerrp: | jamu is completely external to mythtv |
| [03:08:04] | bruderbell: | I don't have a mythfrontend.log or the likes |
| [03:08:21] | wagnerrp: | how did you start mythfrontend? |
| [03:08:37] | bruderbell: | icon on the desktop on the liveusb |
| [03:08:59] | wagnerrp: | so figure out what command that icon uses to run mythfrontend |
| [03:09:12] | wagnerrp: | and it may tell you where its logging to, or if its just nulling the output |
| [03:09:26] | bruderbell: | mythbuntu-startup is the command |
| [03:09:33] | bruderbell: | so it isn't calling out a log file, right? |
| [03:10:31] | wagnerrp: | then you need to open the 'mythbuntu-startup' |
| [03:10:38] | wagnerrp: | script, and see what its doing |
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| [03:11:46] | mactalla: | mmm no mention of cycling captions on the wiki and I'm not finding keys.txt in the doc directory or a reference in the logs... |
| [03:15:37] | sedwards_: | I'm stuck in TimeWarner San Diego land with a Prime. I've been told TW sucks with their CCI policy, but I see CCI:0x00 on the 'conditional access' web page and I still get TLAMc from Myth. Am I looking in the right place? |
| [03:28:37] | bruderbell: | son of a gun. I found the config file from which my livecd is getting its password, and I updated it, but i continue to get connection failure |
| [03:29:19] | iamlindoro: | have you granted the IP on that FE permissions in mysql? |
| [03:29:38] | bruderbell: | hmmm. I don't know. How would I check? |
| [03:29:45] | iamlindoro: | you'd know if you had |
| [03:30:10] | iamlindoro: | see the documentation on grant permissions in mysql for databases |
| [03:30:54] | iamlindoro: | as wagnerrp mentioned earlier, *each* fe must be granted permission, unless you perform a grant for the whole subnet, for everyone, etc. |
| [03:31:30] | bruderbell: | my backend is mythbuntu, and in the wizard I've allowed remote frontends, which makes me think it is likely already set up to all the subnet |
| [03:31:45] | bruderbell: | but lest I trust a wizard, I shall figure out how to verify |
| [03:33:09] | iamlindoro: | mythbuntu should just grant to the entire subnet IMO |
| [03:33:19] | iamlindoro: | shouldn't bother asking the user |
| [03:33:49] | iamlindoro: | set every machine up as though it was going to have additional clients-- and the two users who care about mysql permissions can deal |
| [03:33:50] | bruderbell: | this was working perferctly before I went and applied some mysql update or whatever it was that dorked up my settings (it was likely me...) |
| [03:34:11] | bruderbell: | So I think it is just as you describe. The wizard sets it for the subnet |
| [03:34:19] | iamlindoro: | no, it's not as I describe |
| [03:34:28] | iamlindoro: | the wizard presents the user with a choice. It shouldn't. |
| [03:34:35] | bruderbell: | copy |
| [03:34:39] | iamlindoro: | If they want an appliance myth install, they shoudl choose the sensible default |
| [03:37:50] | bruderbell: | I fear I've uch to learn concerning mysql |
| [03:37:55] | bruderbell: | A battle for another day. |
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| [03:39:51] | iamlindoro: | you're welcome again |
| [03:43:11] | ** sphery guesses he (on the -users list, not here) has either channel or (worse) input priorities ** | |
| [03:43:53] | wagnerrp: | he? |
| [03:44:05] | sphery: | Maximum simultaneous recordings issue |
| [03:44:35] | ** wagnerrp guesses he has probles with his email client ** | |
| [03:44:49] | sphery: | and that |
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| [03:52:55] | wagnerrp: | oh cbs, why do your engineers suck |
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| [04:05:13] | wagnerrp: | sphery: one of the ideas i mentioned for not making excessive padding around sports games be a problem is to add cutpoints at the scheduled start and end times |
| [04:05:23] | wagnerrp: | im actually thinking of implementing that |
| [04:05:51] | wagnerrp: | now it would be simple enough to accomplish as a script, but would that be something worthwhile to put in the actual code? |
| [04:14:56] | sphery: | I think there's a commflagger for that |
| [04:15:29] | sphery: | it will also be something easily handled with the multi-bookmarks changes (after recordedfile) |
| [04:15:57] | sphery: | the commflagger just puts commercial marks, but you could change it to cut points (or eventually, bookmarks) |
| [04:16:06] | wagnerrp: | and after thinking about it briefly, it would be very difficult to accomplish as a script |
| [04:16:25] | wagnerrp: | as i would have no way of accounting for framerate changes |
| [04:16:40] | wagnerrp: | of course i have no channels that change framerate, so it would work fine for me |
| [04:21:04] | ** iamlindoro feels a little bad for the people still churning out frontend control socket apps ** | |
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| [04:21:41] | wagnerrp: | still churning out? |
| [04:21:45] | wagnerrp: | someone wrote another one? |
| [04:22:14] | iamlindoro: | one just added one to the wiki |
| [04:22:57] | iamlindoro: | looks like it relies on adding a bunch of stuff to the backend's apache |
| [04:23:08] | iamlindoro: | and the FE part is just a web app AFAICT |
| [04:23:09] | wagnerrp: | well to be fair, the services version only works on 0.25 |
| [04:23:36] | iamlindoro: | That's why I feel a little bad for them :) |
| [04:23:53] | iamlindoro: | well, in addition to all the wrangling they have to do to do things which are one lines in Services |
| [04:24:05] | iamlindoro: | like this guy and his web server python script |
| [04:24:45] | wagnerrp: | wrangling in python? most of that crap should be one lines in the bindings |
| [04:25:09] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: sure, but the bindings don't listen to the network |
| [04:25:24] | iamlindoro: | so this guys wrote his own python web daemon to proxy the commands back |
| [04:25:28] | wagnerrp: | i dont follow |
| [04:25:34] | wagnerrp: | oh |
| [04:25:39] | iamlindoro: | he wrote a windows mobile app |
| [04:25:45] | iamlindoro: | the app talks to his python web server backend thingie |
| [04:25:52] | wagnerrp: | im saying the web daemon would just have to issue one-liners to the bindings |
| [04:25:58] | iamlindoro: | sure |
| [04:26:05] | iamlindoro: | but you skip several of those layer with services |
| [04:26:07] | iamlindoro: | layers |
| [04:26:13] | iamlindoro: | you just speak straight to mythbackend |
| [04:26:35] | wagnerrp: | assuming youre allowed to speak straight to mythbackend |
| [04:26:45] | iamlindoro: | why wouldn't you be? |
| [04:26:50] | wagnerrp: | i would at least be proxying that through apache, with a digest password |
| [04:26:59] | wagnerrp: | (for external access) |
| [04:28:14] | wagnerrp: | for local devices, go ahead and hit the backend directly |
| [04:28:23] | wagnerrp: | but i would never open up any of the backend's ports to the internet |
| [04:32:17] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: how of curiosity, how fast can you spam keys to the services? |
| [04:32:47] | iamlindoro: | as in, how many commands can you issue? I honestly don't know, I try to be as judicious as I can be |
| [04:33:00] | iamlindoro: | I am about to run into that, though, as I pull in icons for my program guide |
| [04:33:03] | wagnerrp: | ive got this curses thing set up so it doesnt allow another key press until the current one has been accepted |
| [04:33:23] | wagnerrp: | testing it in edit mode on 1-frame |
| [04:33:26] | iamlindoro: | Oh, you can hammer it all you like, until you run out of web server threads |
| [04:33:37] | wagnerrp: | i can hold down the arrow key, and get somewhere around 30/s |
| [04:34:26] | iamlindoro: | In the case of services you get scads of information at once, it's mostly set up so that you get all of something and then parse it in your own time |
| [04:34:44] | iamlindoro: | there's relatively little control-- now the frontend XML, that seems to handle things as quick as I would like |
| [04:34:53] | iamlindoro: | certainly more than I can press buttons in a second |
| [04:35:50] | wagnerrp: | in this case, curses just knows the key is still depressed |
| [04:36:00] | wagnerrp: | so it sends commands as fast as the program loops |
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| [04:45:08] | wagnerrp: | dun dun dun |
| [04:45:12] | wagnerrp: | another one bites the dust |
| [04:51:39] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: this "Home" guy on the wiki seems to have already created an account "Home.HP.TP" back in september |
| [04:51:47] | wagnerrp: | same email address, same IP address |
| [04:51:53] | wagnerrp: | wonder if he forgot his password |
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| [05:00:56] | mactalla: | How do I shut down a mythtv system? I see an option to exit mythtv, but that just bumps me to the desktop (not useful without a mouse). Checked the keybindings on the wiki + web interface and don't see anything. What am I missing? |
| [05:01:50] | wagnerrp: | i dont understand |
| [05:02:17] | wagnerrp: | if you want something other than closing the frontend application, what specifically? |
| [05:02:36] | wagnerrp: | you mean shut down the whole computer? |
| [05:02:59] | mactalla: | yeah |
| [05:03:34] | wagnerrp: | if configured properly, that should be one of the options it offers in that exit dialog |
| [05:03:48] | wagnerrp: | although that may be filtered out if it detects your backend exists on the same system |
| [05:04:08] | mactalla: | default mythbuntu install. no idea about properly configured |
| [05:04:14] | mactalla: | mmm yeah. |
| [05:04:51] | mactalla: | so if I make the backend on another computer I should get that option? will try that tomorrow. thx. |
| [05:05:13] | wagnerrp: | configured properly would mean you have a shutdown command specified for that host in mythtv-setup->general |
| [05:05:26] | wagnerrp: | the issue of a local backend is just a guess |
| [05:05:28] | wagnerrp: | i dont know |
| [05:06:03] | wagnerrp: | in five years, its not an option ive ever considered using |
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| [05:07:53] | mactalla: | you leave your system on full power 24/7? |
| [05:07:58] | mactalla: | not even sleep? |
| [05:08:05] | wagnerrp: | my backend, yes |
| [05:08:14] | mactalla: | but your frontend? |
| [05:08:23] | wagnerrp: | my frontend, ive got a button i press on my remote that triggers a script that puts it in standby |
| [05:09:04] | mactalla: | yeah, that's what I'm looking for. No remote yet. Gotta pick up an IR receiver first. |
| [05:11:16] | [R]: | if you have a combined frontend/backend, you need to use mythwelcome and setup mythshutdown and acpi wakeup |
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| [05:14:44] | mactalla: | [R]: Great I'll try that tomorrow. |
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| [05:14:47] | mactalla: | Cheers all. |
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| [05:59:31] | Rakeesh: | so anyways I successfuly convinced cox to stop copy flagging all of its channels |
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| [06:10:49] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: thats twice now, sproutseo just made the filter list |
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| [06:19:22] | Rakeesh: | what kind of features is mythtv windows missing? |
| [06:19:29] | wagnerrp: | the backend |
| [06:19:30] | Rakeesh: | I want to try mythtv but I need netflix |
| [06:19:36] | Rakeesh: | oh backend won't be a problem |
| [06:19:40] | Rakeesh: | nothing missing from the front end? |
| [06:19:56] | wagnerrp: | well its not tested much |
| [06:20:00] | wagnerrp: | but most of it should work |
| [06:20:04] | wagnerrp: | all the important stuff |
| [06:20:24] | wagnerrp: | backend not a problem... meaning youve got an independent linux backend? |
| [06:20:34] | Rakeesh: | I can easily create one, yes |
| [06:20:46] | Rakeesh: | I'm a linux veteran so that's no problem |
| [06:20:53] | Rakeesh: | only thing is I want netflix |
| [06:21:00] | wagnerrp: | get a roku |
| [06:21:10] | Rakeesh: | I'd rather it be just one self contained unit |
| [06:21:26] | wagnerrp: | get a new tv |
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| [06:22:03] | wagnerrp: | or use a playstation/wii |
| [06:22:04] | Rakeesh: | I actually have a samsung tv that does that, but what I mean is seemless |
| [06:22:19] | wagnerrp: | you wont get seemless |
| [06:22:28] | Rakeesh: | hmm |
| [06:22:36] | wagnerrp: | youre going to have to open firefox externally, and control it with a keyboard and mouse |
| [06:22:54] | Rakeesh: | no windows media center style control? |
| [06:23:30] | wagnerrp: | you can control mythtv just fine through a remote |
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| [06:23:47] | wagnerrp: | but with no linux support for netflix |
| [06:24:02] | wagnerrp: | there has never been any reason to develop better netflix support for mythtv |
| [06:24:13] | Rakeesh: | hmm |
| [06:24:21] | wagnerrp: | you could potentially run it in mythbrowser, rather than something external |
| [06:24:42] | wagnerrp: | but i dont know where you would store the necessary plugins to make silverlight work |
| [06:25:34] | Rakeesh: | well another alternative I can look at is running the new xbmc eden front end |
| [06:25:45] | Rakeesh: | though I haven't done any research as to what features I may lose |
| [06:26:02] | wagnerrp: | any close integration with the backend |
| [06:26:09] | Rakeesh: | like what? |
| [06:26:30] | wagnerrp: | xbmc has their own code for accessing recordings, but its not going to be as featured |
| [06:26:50] | wagnerrp: | you dont have access to things like the commercial skip list, editing cutlists, spawning jobs |
| [06:27:05] | wagnerrp: | you probably dont have any mechanism for scheduling recordings |
| [06:27:18] | wagnerrp: | there have been problems with livetv in the past |
| [06:27:20] | Rakeesh: | xbmc dharma supports EDL's |
| [06:27:33] | wagnerrp: | yes, but those are independent of mythtv |
| [06:27:39] | Rakeesh: | oh |
| [06:27:42] | wagnerrp: | meaning they will only operate on that instance of xbmc |
| [06:28:03] | wagnerrp: | where as mythtv's skip and cut lists are stored in the database, accessible by all connected frontends |
| [06:28:36] | wagnerrp: | put most basically, xbmc is designed to run on a computer, while mythtv is designed to run on a network |
| [06:28:57] | Rakeesh: | I thought the whole point of eden was to change that? |
| [06:29:05] | wagnerrp: | dont know anything about that |
| [06:29:16] | Rakeesh: | have you read up on xbmc eden? |
| [06:29:23] | wagnerrp: | nope, i dont use it |
| [06:29:57] | Rakeesh: | xbmc eden is supposed to be a universal front end for most DVR backends, regardless of network location |
| [06:30:08] | Rakeesh: | support livetv, guide, scheduling, etc |
| [06:30:15] | Rakeesh: | also supports netflix |
| [06:30:18] | Rakeesh: | and blu-ray |
| [06:30:24] | wagnerrp: | (on windows) |
| [06:30:39] | Rakeesh: | I'm an OS agnostic kind of guy |
| [06:30:42] | Rakeesh: | I use whatever fits the bill |
| [06:31:41] | Rakeesh: | well, except OSX |
| [06:32:25] | Rakeesh: | honestly I never saw much point in an OS designed around a single button mouse with a computer that costs three times as much as it should |
| [06:33:31] | Rakeesh: | btw xbmc is available on all platforms, even ios |
| [06:34:16] | [R]: | Rakeesh: except if you want to play netflix or not hackily play bluray |
| [06:34:18] | kormoc: | but not blue ray playback |
| [06:35:19] | wagnerrp: | are they actually implementing proper bluray playback? last i heard, it was some funky pass through streaming from makemkv |
| [06:35:46] | kormoc: | afaik, it's still no menus or options beyond the default video/audio track |
| [06:36:04] | wagnerrp: | so lesser than our support |
| [06:39:25] | Rakeesh: | xbmc eden has better support from what I am gathering |
| [06:39:33] | Rakeesh: | it just hit feature freeze a few weeks ago |
| [06:40:11] | Rakeesh: | don't know if its better than mythtv |
| [06:40:14] | Rakeesh: | but better than it was |
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| [07:12:20] | Rakeesh: | can you get dolby truehd with a radeon 6770 in mythtv? |
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| [08:05:07] | Rakeesh: | how much memory should a mythtv backend need with three hd tuners? |
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| [08:19:04] | justinh: | 1GB should be fine |
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| [08:20:26] | justinh: | Rakeesh: FWIW I'm OS agnostic too. I only really use linux at home because of mythtv |
| [08:21:00] | styelz: | 1gb fine without X |
| [08:21:11] | justinh: | with or without X. It shouldn't matter |
| [08:21:16] | justinh: | X doesn't need much ram |
| [08:22:34] | styelz: | got mine running in vbox with win7 host |
| [08:22:41] | ** styelz hides ** | |
| [08:22:43] | justinh: | sigh. not this again |
| [08:23:06] | justinh: | well bully for you. but you're still running it on linux at the end of the day :-P |
| [08:23:18] | justinh: | there's no escaping that :D |
| [08:23:19] | styelz: | didnt say i wasnt |
| [08:23:29] | styelz: | but i cvan play BF3 at the same time |
| [08:23:35] | styelz: | as recording shows |
| [08:23:37] | styelz: | ;) |
| [08:24:03] | justinh: | I don't want to play games. I used to play the game of trying to keep up with PC hardware & it got expensive |
| [08:24:39] | styelz: | cool |
| [08:25:20] | Rakeesh: | this is probably contraversial, but |
| [08:25:23] | justinh: | there are some games I keep going back to, for giggles. Like GTA: Vice City :-) But anything that old doesn't need a £300 GPU |
| [08:25:41] | styelz: | my gt440 is fine |
| [08:25:47] | styelz: | $80 |
| [08:25:52] | Rakeesh: | I'm going to be running mythtv backend in a VM under virtualbox, and the front end will be XBMC Eden |
| [08:26:02] | justinh: | a £300 GPU or a new PC to put it in :) |
| [08:26:03] | ** Rakeesh dons flame suit ** | |
| [08:26:20] | sid3windr: | GTA VC is the bestest non-topview GTA ever |
| [08:26:23] | justinh: | Rakeesh: good luck with that. You won't get any help here making XBMC work with mythtv though |
| [08:26:25] | Rakeesh: | this is on a quad core q6700 system with 8GB of ram so it should be able to handle it |
| [08:26:31] | Rakeesh: | not expecting it |
| [08:26:34] | Rakeesh: | just going to try it out |
| [08:26:36] | styelz: | mines a quad q6600 |
| [08:26:43] | styelz: | 4gb ram |
| [08:27:09] | justinh: | overkill for a HTPC though |
| [08:27:26] | Rakeesh: | it is, but I had the motherboard/cpu/ram sitting around so I figured I would put it to use |
| [08:27:32] | justinh: | then again I've seen the price of RAM lately. My local shed was selling 8GB for about £30 |
| [08:27:58] | Rakeesh: | I have spent about $200 on this system so far |
| [08:28:33] | Rakeesh: | 1.5tb HDD was $59, case was $39, PSU was $59 |
| [08:28:37] | Rakeesh: | plus some other misc expenses |
| [08:29:33] | Rakeesh: | I am guessing nobody runs the backend inside of a VM though? |
| [08:30:35] | Rakeesh: | I'm assuming 2GB is plenty for the VM even if it runs X? |
| [08:31:03] | justinh: | be surprised if it wasn't enough |
| [08:31:26] | styelz: | i do |
| [08:31:41] | styelz: | 1.5gb for the vm |
| [08:31:53] | styelz: | 2 cpu's |
| [08:32:04] | styelz: | works like a sharm |
| [08:32:07] | styelz: | low load |
| [08:32:15] | Rakeesh: | you run yours inside a VM? |
| [08:32:22] | styelz: | yea virtualbox |
| [08:32:30] | Rakeesh: | any i/o performance issues? |
| [08:32:32] | styelz: | and the frontend sometimes |
| [08:32:34] | justinh: | Rakeesh: unless there's a very compelling reason to use VMs, I'd say not to. I don't need to, and have to use PCI tuners so it's best I don't absolutely *want* to run mythbackend ina VM |
| [08:32:38] | styelz: | no |
| [08:32:50] | styelz: | i use hdhomerun tuners though |
| [08:32:53] | Rakeesh: | I want to use a VM so I have access to netflix on the front end |
| [08:32:59] | Rakeesh: | same here I use hdhomerun prime |
| [08:33:17] | styelz: | ive had no issues, i can even watch tv in the vm, at around 15fps |
| [08:33:22] | styelz: | or more |
| [08:33:24] | justinh: | you don't need a VM to make mythtv more stable, or any of the supposed advantages people cite |
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| [08:33:52] | styelz: | i just wanted access to windows while not having to purchase another pc |
| [08:33:56] | Rakeesh: | if it weren't for netflix I'd just wipe the disk clean and do a full blown linux install |
| [08:33:57] | styelz: | semed the best way to go |
| [08:34:16] | styelz: | and games in win vm blow |
| [08:34:21] | styelz: | with linux host |
| [08:34:23] | Rakeesh: | I'm actually doing this for my dad |
| [08:34:32] | Rakeesh: | he's somewhat crippled so I wanted to build him a nice PVR |
| [08:34:42] | Rakeesh: | and he loves netflix |
| [08:34:45] | Rakeesh: | so I have to have it |
| [08:34:50] | styelz: | nice |
| [08:35:59] | Rakeesh: | windows is kind of a pain in the ass for a dedicated media center pc, so I really would love to avoid it |
| [08:36:13] | Rakeesh: | there are all kinds of interruptions, notifications, and other shit on by default |
| [08:36:34] | styelz: | you can turn all that crud off in win7 |
| [08:36:38] | styelz: | cant you |
| [08:36:42] | styelz: | i dont get any |
| [08:36:50] | Rakeesh: | yeah you can, but there are other issues too |
| [08:37:14] | Rakeesh: | for example, I am running this through a receiver with HDMI (for dolby truehd, dts HD) |
| [08:37:16] | justinh: | mostly the "WINDOWS MUST UPDATE NOW. YOU **HAVE** TO REBOOT TO INSTALL MORE UPDATES" |
| [08:37:28] | Rakeesh: | and if the PC comes up before the receiver fully turns on |
| [08:37:31] | styelz: | yea got that off |
| [08:37:33] | Rakeesh: | it switches the resolution to something low |
| [08:37:43] | Rakeesh: | so annoying |
| [08:37:50] | justinh: | styelz: it can be turned off? Heh I kinda assumed it wasn't |
| [08:37:56] | Rakeesh: | yeah it can be |
| [08:37:59] | Rakeesh: | I forced that off |
| [08:38:03] | justinh: | Rakeesh: that's windows for ya. DRM all the way |
| [08:38:37] | justinh: | as if anybody is going to bother capturing a HD audio stream when they can just rip a disc anyway :P |
| [08:39:02] | Rakeesh: | oh tell me about the DRM issues |
| [08:39:06] | styelz: | i dont know what you are on about |
| [08:39:08] | Rakeesh: | when I first built this comjputer |
| [08:39:10] | styelz: | ;) |
| [08:39:19] | Rakeesh: | I had all hell to deal with when it came to DRM |
| [08:39:34] | Rakeesh: | windows media center would refuse to display anything because of driver incompatibility |
| [08:39:49] | Rakeesh: | HDCP worked, but WMC couldn't authenticate for whatever reason |
| [08:39:53] | justinh: | come to think of it, I only use Windows 7 on a machine at home cos it's my video editing machine. |
| [08:39:57] | Rakeesh: | to fix it, I had to revert to the microsoft nvidia driver |
| [08:40:05] | Rakeesh: | took me forever to figure out how to do that |
| [08:40:19] | Rakeesh: | then when I went to play a blu-ray, powerdvd refused to play it |
| [08:40:24] | justinh: | isn't it nice though, being presumed guilty the whole time? |
| [08:40:27] | Rakeesh: | citing video driver incompatibility |
| [08:40:35] | Rakeesh: | so I had to put the nvidia driver back |
| [08:40:40] | Rakeesh: | and then livetv wouldn't work anymore |
| [08:40:46] | styelz: | yea im on nvidia beta drivers cause there is an issue with wmc and the new driver |
| [08:40:56] | justinh: | WMC is very sucky though |
| [08:41:09] | Rakeesh: | yeah WMC has its own set of problems that I just don't want to deal with |
| [08:41:21] | justinh: | they got a lot right with it, but for people in the UK it's just useless. their guide data is impotent |
| [08:41:21] | Rakeesh: | thats why I went out of my way to get cox to quit flagging all content with copy protection |
| [08:41:25] | Rakeesh: | and fortunately I succeded |
| [08:41:59] | styelz: | its nice that the hdhomrun driver fills the wmc guide data |
| [08:42:37] | styelz: | or whatever it does to do that |
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| [08:43:46] | sid3windr: | I just want my linux blurays! |
| [08:43:47] | sid3windr: | :p |
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| [08:44:09] | sid3windr: | once that becomes possible I might even start buying some (and a drive to read them) |
| [08:44:17] | Rakeesh|: | woa just crashed |
| [08:44:43] | sid3windr: | replace woa with a more stable version then :) |
| [08:44:59] | styelz: | turn off overclockingz |
| [08:45:08] | Rakeesh|: | this system isn't overclocked |
| [08:45:15] | styelz: | mkay :] |
| [08:45:15] | Rakeesh|: | its actually my ocz vertex 3 that causes it |
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| [08:45:50] | Rakeesh|: | this system I am on now is a core i7 2600k |
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| [08:45:58] | styelz: | nice |
| [08:46:05] | styelz: | wish i had a ssd |
| [08:46:09] | styelz: | an |
| [08:46:15] | styelz: | er |
| [08:47:00] | Rakeesh: | this sdd is nice but there's a firmware bug |
| [08:47:12] | styelz: | bummer |
| [08:47:14] | Rakeesh: | has to do with power down |
| [08:47:24] | Rakeesh: | sometimes it doesn't come back up |
| [08:47:51] | Rakeesh: | tried disabling it but there's something in UEFI that the OS can't control |
| [08:47:57] | Rakeesh: | there's a big thread about it on the ocz forums |
| [08:48:01] | Rakeesh: | really fast ssd otherwise though |
| [08:48:05] | Rakeesh: | I boot windows in 6 seconds |
| [08:48:14] | styelz: | awesome |
| [08:48:21] | Rakeesh: | thats right to the desktop with nothing else needing to load |
| [08:48:30] | styelz: | yah |
| [08:48:48] | Rakeesh: | UEFI takes about 2 seconds, so total 8 second boot time |
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| [08:52:00] | Rakeesh: | ok so I just setup mythbuntu as a backend in the VM, install is finished, where do I begin configuring it, etc? |
| [08:52:11] | Rakeesh: | not the front end of course, just the back end |
| [08:52:22] | styelz: | mythtv-setup |
| [08:52:35] | justinh: | do all of the steps in turn |
| [08:52:39] | justinh: | do not skip any steps |
| [08:52:56] | Rakeesh: | was afk for a sec |
| [08:52:58] | Rakeesh: | from console? |
| [08:53:09] | styelz: | in X |
| [08:53:22] | Rakeesh: | did it from console anyways, it worked :D |
| [08:53:25] | styelz: | from terminal , if you want |
| [08:53:27] | Rakeesh: | going through a script it seems |
| [08:53:40] | styelz: | ah thought you meant tty |
| [08:53:52] | Rakeesh: | wow this thing is nearly pre-configured for my hdhomerun prime, driver is installed and all |
| [08:53:56] | Rakeesh: | pretty nice |
| [08:55:07] | Rakeesh: | channel frequency table, what would I configure that as with cablecard and a tuning adapter? |
| [08:55:43] | Rakeesh: | I see us-cable us-cable-hrc and us-cable-irc |
| [08:57:13] | styelz: | suss this out http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Configuring_MythTV . . . omeRun_Prime |
| [09:02:08] | Rakeesh: | I'm not signed up for any guide data service (yet, still doing a trial run here) any particular one I should use? |
| [09:02:20] | Rakeesh: | EPG data |
| [09:02:36] | styelz: | select no grabber, and epg i spoze |
| [09:03:01] | styelz: | over air . cant remember |
| [09:03:05] | Rakeesh: | wouldn't that yield no guide data at all? I thought there were a few freebies out there? |
| [09:03:19] | Rakeesh: | I thought MS ran one that the sagetv users would leech from |
| [09:06:05] | Rakeesh: | I see one here for directv, do I have to have a satellite downlink? |
| [09:06:15] | Rakeesh: | I used to be with them, I recall they had a rotating epg broadcast |
| [09:06:57] | styelz: | dunno |
| [09:26:43] | justinh: | Rakeesh: leeching from MS is out of bounds |
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| [09:35:14] | Rakeesh: | I thought it was free anyways? |
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| [09:39:04] | Rakeesh: | ah I didn't know schedulesdirect had a trial |
| [09:39:05] | Rakeesh: | nice |
| [09:39:41] | justinh: | Rakeesh: EPG data for MCE is free for users of MCE. It's against their T&Cs to use it anywhere else, in any other fashion |
| [09:45:30] | Rakeesh: | I'm at the schedulesdirect page, and it says to add a lineup |
| [09:45:43] | Rakeesh: | I click add a new lineup, it asks for a zip, then I click next, then it brings me back to the same page again |
| [09:45:48] | Rakeesh: | anything special I need to do there? |
| [09:48:48] | Rakeesh: | hmm "You are being effected by a random bug under investigation. It may be 60 minutes until your account is ready for use. Sorry, Please try again later." |
| [09:49:07] | Rakeesh: | well shit how the hell do I get guide data? |
| [09:50:21] | justinh: | watch your language please |
| [09:50:44] | justinh: | and I'd have thought "please try again later" means "please try again later" |
| [09:52:10] | Rakeesh: | ya I'm just trying to get something setup before tomorrow |
| [09:52:38] | Rakeesh: | I think I figured out a temporary solution though |
| [09:53:46] | justinh: | one thing you can't really do is rush :-) |
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| [09:54:36] | Rakeesh: | how much ram does mythfilldatabase eat up when it populates? |
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| [09:56:54] | justinh: | as much as it needs, probably |
| [09:57:19] | justinh: | it'll depend how many channels you have, how verbose the guide data is.. |
| [09:57:31] | justinh: | you're basically asking "how long is a piece of string?" |
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| [09:57:43] | Rakeesh: | well lets assume worst case scenario |
| [09:57:45] | justinh: | your 2GB allocation will be *fine* |
| [09:57:47] | justinh: | your 2GB allocation will be *fine* |
| [09:57:51] | Rakeesh: | ah k |
| [09:57:56] | Rakeesh: | just want to avoid disk thrashing |
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| [12:45:33] | justinh: | OMG. I've just seen a HTPC case that has integrated MCE remote receiver, front panel ports, various buttons & doesn't look like a baboon's backside |
| [12:45:41] | justinh: | and it's under £100 |
| [12:58:45] | GreyFoxx: | Got a URL ? |
| [13:03:14] | justinh: | http://www.vesalia.de/e_tc2200%5b7170%5d.htm?slc=uk |
| [13:04:26] | justinh: | heh also here http://www.novatech.co.uk/products/components . . . -vision.html |
| [13:05:43] | justinh: | ugh. they also do one with TWO optical drive slots. WTH?! |
| [13:08:39] | GreyFoxx: | I like that case |
| [13:16:22] | justinh: | yup. from the internals photos I've found it looks to be at least as shoddily made as my silverstone lc02 |
| [13:16:25] | justinh: | :-) |
| [13:16:31] | justinh: | no worse, I mean |
| [13:16:43] | justinh: | & that was like twice the price |
| [13:18:06] | justinh: | seriously though.. two optical drive bays.. WHY? |
| [13:21:00] | justinh: | also very nice, but the price... oof! http://www.quietpc.com/gb-en-gbp/products/htpccases/mon-312-320 |
| [13:24:02] | justinh: | still tempting to move everything onto the backend though. Long HDMI cable, long remote cable... |
| [13:24:25] | justinh: | since I made the AV gear Tom proof we've no need of an optical drive anymore :D |
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| [14:30:39] | wagnerrp: | justinh: shame its so deep |
| [14:30:48] | wagnerrp: | i need something <15" |
| [14:32:25] | sid3windr: | that's what she said |
| [14:34:18] | wagnerrp: | why is this guy _so_stupid_ |
| [14:34:32] | wagnerrp: | does he not realize im going to ban ever new account thats 14 characters long? |
| [14:34:44] | sid3windr: | on the wiki? |
| [14:34:49] | wagnerrp: | aye |
| [14:36:26] | wagnerrp: | and theres something in there purposefully making them all 14 characters |
| [14:36:32] | wagnerrp: | if its over, it gets truncated |
| [14:36:43] | wagnerrp: | if its under, it cycles the name |
| [14:37:05] | wagnerrp: | like... 'williamfuhrwil' |
| [14:37:17] | wagnerrp: | or 'tararogerstara' |
| [14:37:51] | justinh: | wagnerrp: deep? oh no |
| [14:38:02] | justinh: | didn't look at the dimensions closely |
| [14:38:33] | wagnerrp: | i didnt see the dimensions listed, but with the way the internals look, it is almost certainly too deep |
| [14:39:30] | justinh: | ouch. it's like 5cm deeper than the lc02 |
| [14:40:30] | justinh: | 34.5 cm |
| [14:40:41] | justinh: | about a 13 inches |
| [14:40:58] | wagnerrp: | 13" might do it |
| [14:41:20] | wagnerrp: | i know at 15", it hangs out the front of the cabinet and i cant close the door |
| [14:45:25] | jams: | those moneual cases are 15.25 with the knob 14.5 without. |
| [14:46:18] | justinh: | I remember The Gadget Show reviewed a HTPC & it was about the size of a wardrobe |
| [14:46:31] | justinh: | cost way over £2000 too |
| [14:46:43] | justinh: | came with a 'voice command' remote. which didn't work :P |
| [14:47:35] | jams: | bit of a pain to fit everything into, but it all fits as intended. |
| [14:50:17] | jams: | ir isn't officially supported but there are patches out there |
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| [15:09:08] | hR13: | Hi all, I have a (I think) weird problem, thru the web interface to my mythtvserver I went to the recording details and clicked the transcode button, and about 50% of the time the transcoding result in a 4–5 GB bif file reduce to ~2,2 GB (and thats what I want) but then about 25–30% of the time the file stays at 4–5 GB or mayby even a bit bigger a couple of 100 Mb and then the rest and weirdest they more or less doubbles in size the lar |
| [15:09:08] | hR13: | gest went up to 12,5Gb. does anyone hav any Ideas? is it some thing strange about the recording profiles? and if can I force a specific recording profile to all my recordings? |
| [15:09:46] | wagnerrp: | are these analog or digital recordings? |
| [15:09:47] | justinh: | hR13: with digital recordings you git whatever you git from the broadcaster |
| [15:09:57] | wagnerrp: | s/git/get/ |
| [15:10:17] | hR13: | DVB-T recordings |
| [15:10:24] | wagnerrp: | MPEG2 or H264? |
| [15:10:25] | justinh: | as for transcoding.. you need to check yer transcoding profiles |
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| [15:10:54] | justinh: | or just don't bother transcoding :-) |
| [15:11:25] | wagnerrp: | if they're h264, give up |
| [15:11:36] | hR13: | justinh, if non was choosen from the beginging I asume that the default profile will be used |
| [15:11:48] | wagnerrp: | your files are already encoded in a codec with a better compression efficiency than any format mythtv offers |
| [15:12:00] | hR13: | wagnerrp, MPEG2 I think |
| [15:12:05] | wagnerrp: | unless you intend to downscale the file, it /will/ end up as a larger file |
| [15:12:29] | wagnerrp: | if theyre MPEG2, i would suggest using the "lossless transcode" rather than actually transcoding |
| [15:12:46] | wagnerrp: | you mark the commercials, it clips them out and fixes up the frames around the cut points |
| [15:13:20] | wagnerrp: | if you still wish to have a smaller file, i would question that logic |
| [15:13:33] | wagnerrp: | especially with the significantly higher electrical costs in europe |
| [15:13:38] | hR13: | wagnerrp, thanks for the tip |
| [15:13:45] | justinh: | hR13: the default profiles for transcoding are by definition, undefined |
| [15:14:01] | wagnerrp: | (it costs a lot of money to transcode, hard drives are cheap) |
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| [15:14:20] | wagnerrp: | however, if you do still wish to have a smaller file, i would use something other than mythtv to do it |
| [15:14:33] | wagnerrp: | something like handbrake, or some other tool that can compress to h264 |
| [15:14:56] | wagnerrp: | the 12.5GB file was likely the result of somehow managing to use rtjpeg |
| [15:15:07] | wagnerrp: | which is literally a series of JPEG frames |
| [15:15:32] | hR13: | wagnerrp, that sounds like whats happened |
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| [16:01:12] | Twiggy: | https://secure.newegg.com/WishList/MySavedWis . . . ?ID=15270311 Would this be bad for ATSC MPEG-2? |
| [16:01:24] | Twiggy: | I have the fan and hdd and cables. |
| [16:03:34] | wagnerrp: | your wishlist is not published such that others can access it |
| [16:04:30] | wagnerrp: | here would be the proper link... http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishD . . . ber=15270311 |
| [16:04:59] | Twiggy: | Ohh thanks |
| [16:05:40] | wagnerrp: | processor would be fine for anything ATSC |
| [16:05:53] | wagnerrp: | but i would go for some newer, and not recertified |
| [16:07:16] | wagnerrp: | but foxconn's H2 systems are all considerably more expensive |
| [16:08:57] | hR13: | wagnerrp and justinh thanks for the help, it was the RTJpeg stuf that didi it thanks :-) |
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| [16:12:46] | Twiggy: | Also it would be 1gb of ddr2. Would that be okay? |
| [16:13:07] | Twiggy: | The only reason I am going with older is because I have some ddr2 that is not in use |
| [16:13:17] | wagnerrp: | dedicated frontend? |
| [16:13:28] | wagnerrp: | screw that |
| [16:13:31] | wagnerrp: | ddr3 is cheap |
| [16:13:40] | wagnerrp: | you can pick up 2GB for like $20 |
| [16:13:55] | wagnerrp: | i would say 1GB is bare minimum for a dedicated frontend |
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| [16:14:44] | sphery: | wow, really want to know what's the source of this "add cards with one tuner, then go back and add another" garbage |
| [16:14:58] | Twiggy: | Okay I will look into it. |
| [16:15:03] | wagnerrp: | sphery: huh? |
| [16:15:33] | sphery: | [mythtv-users] Multiple Lineups / Live TV Channel Change -> My tuners were entered as one tuner each, then I went back in afterwards to add the virtual tuners to get them "staggered". |
| [16:15:54] | sphery: | people are still doing that |
| [16:16:03] | wagnerrp: | bleh |
| [16:16:07] | sphery: | it's bad enough when they follow my instructions and prioritize live tv over recordings |
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| [16:16:23] | sphery: | but that "simplified" config--that completely breaks mythtv recordings /and/ live tv... |
| [16:17:37] | sphery: | I'd just love to find the source where people are being told to do that so we can tell them how broken it is |
| [16:18:43] | ** wagnerrp is off destroying dreams ** | |
| [16:20:34] | sphery: | hehe, on the forum? |
| [16:20:55] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-dev/20 . . . /071448.html |
| [16:21:21] | sphery: | ahhh, yeah, saw the OP on that one |
| [16:21:50] | sphery: | I'm guessing this is Apple TV with A5 (or A4?) not the celeron-based one? |
| [16:22:06] | wagnerrp: | the new AppleTV doesnt run OSX |
| [16:22:20] | sphery: | oh, btw, did you hear that Apple is about to enter the smart TV market and finally make it profitable? |
| [16:22:29] | sphery: | ahh, yeah, that makes sense... A* is iOS only |
| [16:22:37] | wagnerrp: | oh? i thought apple didnt want anything to do with television |
| [16:22:44] | wagnerrp: | (broadcast television) |
| [16:23:30] | sphery: | but he finally cracked it... http://news.yahoo.com/steve-jobs-finally-crac . . . 4237724.html |
| [16:23:36] | sphery: | and not a moment too soon |
| [16:25:29] | sphery: | of course, this comes just as Philips announced that the smart TV market is about to die |
| [16:29:08] | wagnerrp: | oh nickrout you foolish man |
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| [16:34:12] | sphery: | hehe, the source of the over-simplification |
| [16:34:29] | sphery: | now just need a person with an account on the forum to unsimplify |
| [16:35:19] | ** wagnerrp pokes iamlindoro or tgm4883 ** | |
| [16:35:30] | ** tgm4883 wakes up ** | |
| [16:35:33] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, whats up? |
| [16:36:06] | wagnerrp: | http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=10049801&postcount=4 needs correction |
| [16:36:54] | tgm4883: | thats pretty old |
| [16:37:03] | wagnerrp: | people never search the mailing list archives, but they often seem to root up several year old forum posts to find incorrect directions |
| [16:37:09] | tgm4883: | I'd have to close the thread if I posted there |
| [16:37:18] | wagnerrp: | well no real big issue |
| [16:37:38] | tgm4883: | Can you write up some better directions? I'm working on fixing up some stuff at our website |
| [16:37:52] | wagnerrp: | basically, hes got it backwards |
| [16:38:08] | wagnerrp: | the 'work around' he was trying to describe adds four virtual tuners initially |
| [16:38:16] | wagnerrp: | followed by one more after all the tuner cards are added |
| [16:38:25] | wagnerrp: | and the frontend is configured to avoid conflicts with recordings |
| [16:38:48] | wagnerrp: | what he describes simply breaks proper behavior for everything |
| [16:39:07] | tgm4883: | nice |
| [16:40:16] | sphery: | and it should be mentioned that it actually prioritizes Live TV over recordings and can result in missed recordings if you ever watch Live TV |
| [16:40:37] | wagnerrp: | in response to this... http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /323416.html |
| [16:40:39] | sphery: | (even though we do tell you when we need the tuner for a recording while you're watching Live TV, it can still affect placement) |
| [16:41:30] | sphery: | "Avoid conflicts between Live TV and schedules shows" (the actually setting text) |
| [16:41:36] | sphery: | er, scheduled |
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| [17:05:18] | iamlindoro: | There, that's fun: http://www.fecitfacta.com/iososd.png |
| [17:06:04] | wagnerrp: | new episode? or is that the DVD menu? |
| [17:06:50] | iamlindoro: | It's the OSD of my Myth iOS app |
| [17:07:05] | iamlindoro: | in remote control mode, now queries the frontend for the item playing, looks up in Services, and prsents and OSD |
| [17:07:26] | Yancho: | guys to make sure i am starting on the right food, i want to implement a nice scheduled recorded for DVB tv – easy for my mum to operate. Was thinking to use an old box ( athlon xp 3500 / 512 ram / 250gb disk) and put in it a Video to PC convertor (http://goo.gl/KqlvM) – The GPU (some old nvidia) – has already an S-Video out. Would that cover me for recording TV (aerial > dvb decoder>out on scart) .. or best would be a card which accepts the aer |
| [17:07:26] | Yancho: | ial straight into it? thanks |
| [17:07:28] | iamlindoro: | FE XML returns playing status info now, so the OSD/progress bar is based on periodic updates from that |
| [17:07:33] | wagnerrp: | i mean.... i dont recall ever seeing that scene, or that character, in any episode |
| [17:07:40] | iamlindoro: | First scene of that episode |
| [17:07:46] | iamlindoro: | "Movie Star" |
| [17:08:17] | wagnerrp: | did i miss that episode? |
| [17:08:29] | iamlindoro: | I dunno, it's the one with the underage movie star |
| [17:08:39] | iamlindoro: | trying to constantly molest archer |
| [17:08:40] | wagnerrp: | at the ski resort? |
| [17:08:49] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [17:08:58] | wagnerrp: | i wonder if i missed the beginning of that recording |
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| [17:23:45] | sphery: | Yancho: you will need a V4L-compliant video capture device--and if you're doing analog, you should /really/ get a hardware-encoder card, such as the Hauppauge PVR-x50 (or whatever's appropriate for PAL-land) |
| [17:24:10] | sphery: | Yancho: or you should just get a DVB-T capture card (which is easier, but may mean harder-to-decode video |
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| [17:24:23] | sphery: | which may mean you need a better system than "an old box" |
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| [17:24:36] | Yancho: | sphery, so this would suffice? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/USB-2-0-Digital-DVB . . . _3192wt_1139 |
| [17:24:44] | sphery: | !url tuners |
| [17:24:44] | MythLogBot: | tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information |
| [17:25:01] | sphery: | that's the list of tuners that are supported in GNU/Linux, so that's where to start |
| [17:25:53] | sphery: | which DVB-land are you in? UK? |
| [17:26:04] | Yancho: | sphery, any difference between pci / usb ? |
| [17:26:21] | Yancho: | as in i guess usb might be slower and more work on the cpu right? |
| [17:26:30] | sphery: | I prefer PCI only because I dont' trust USB for long-term reliability |
| [17:26:38] | Yancho: | im in malta (dvb-t – like uk) |
| [17:26:59] | sphery: | and, yeah, with USB 2.0 and below, the CPU is constantly polling the device, so it's a bit more work (but not significant with processors of the type you should be using) |
| [17:26:59] | wagnerrp: | right, youre only talking about 1–2MB/s, which isnt much load on USB |
| [17:27:06] | wagnerrp: | USB devices are just finicky |
| [17:27:18] | wagnerrp: | far more so than anything on a proper interconnect |
| [17:27:32] | sphery: | agreed |
| [17:28:13] | sphery: | Yancho: also, one thing I should mention is that MythTV may not be the best "low-maintenance, easy-to-use" DVR choice |
| [17:29:12] | sphery: | it's a great hobby, but requires some TLC |
| [17:29:14] | Yancho: | hmm sphery that might change all the plans – i badly need it to be as low mainetnance as possible |
| [17:29:30] | Yancho: | mum moving a mouse is already a feat :P |
| [17:29:32] | sphery: | it can be low maintenance--but requires a very good setup |
| [17:29:59] | sphery: | which requires some effort in initial config and a lot of knowledge of how mythtv works |
| [17:30:27] | sphery: | but with OTA in Malta, you may not have a lot of other choices... |
| [17:30:27] | Yancho: | which i dont have / cant afford to spend much time on im afraid :( |
| [17:30:31] | sphery: | (I really don't know) |
| [17:31:02] | Yancho: | sphery, don't laugh! but my mum just watches maltese tv (crap) and sometiems 2 channels are showing drama at the same time, so just need it to be able record and play |
| [17:31:31] | sphery: | well, MythTV can actually be a good DVR and may not require significant effort (especially if you do it right with an already-configured-for-MythTV distro, such as Mythbuntu) |
| [17:31:51] | sphery: | but if things go wrong, it can take a /lot/ more time than calling the cable co and saying, "My DVR isn't working." |
| [17:31:52] | Yancho: | yeah was thinking getting that – since im ok with ubuntu |
| [17:33:03] | sphery: | yeah, crazy thing is I only watch OTA TV (US), but I now have 6 capture cards and 12TB of storage |
| [17:33:21] | sphery: | and have over 1700 unwatched recordings |
| [17:33:26] | Yancho: | lol! |
| [17:33:40] | sphery: | (I watch and delete everything--don't actually archive anything--so all my recordings are unwatched) |
| [17:34:29] | Yancho: | http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Philips-CTX918-V2-F . . . t_4711wt_952 this seems to do the trick – strange it doesnt mention dvb-t but |
| [17:37:35] | sphery: | are you sure that's a digital tv capture card and not an analog capture? |
| [17:38:02] | Yancho: | thats whats im finding strange .. i am thinking its analog capture – but that list shows it as dvb-t |
| [17:38:04] | sphery: | I guess CTX918 is listed as a Medion DVB-T in linuxtv |
| [17:38:17] | wagnerrp: | im going to bet its a framegrabber |
| [17:38:28] | sphery: | picture looks different |
| [17:38:31] | wagnerrp: | further, im going to bet its a garbage framegrabber with no internal audio capture |
| [17:38:37] | sphery: | yeah, that pic looks like a framegrabber with a big old can tuner |
| [17:38:44] | wagnerrp: | based off those audio passthrough outputs on the back side |
| [17:38:59] | Yancho: | http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Medion-PCI-TV-Card- . . . _5827wt_1042 this matches exactly linuxtv |
| [17:39:21] | sphery: | ah, wait, it's Medion CTX953 that's DVB-T |
| [17:39:37] | wagnerrp: | and the integrated modem is just queer |
| [17:40:12] | sphery: | ok, yeah... I see it, now\ |
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| [17:40:17] | sphery: | http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/File:7134.jpg |
| [17:40:26] | sphery: | Medion 7134 of Philips CTX918 |
| [17:40:29] | Yancho: | Philips TV/Radio Card CTX918, (Medion 7134), PCI | http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/images/thumb/9/90 . . . 0px-7134.jpg |
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| [17:41:33] | Yancho: | or i totally misunderstood linuxtv? |
| [17:41:59] | wagnerrp: | it does claim to support DVB-T |
| [17:42:20] | sphery: | no, you're reading it right... just looks different |
| [17:42:32] | sphery: | maybe the audio stuff is for the modem/telephony |
| [17:42:41] | Yancho: | y does it need a modem lol? |
| [17:43:15] | sphery: | ah, wait, "cable modem" |
| [17:43:18] | sphery: | seems it provides one |
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| [17:44:10] | high-rez: | God everytime I try to upgrade something on my gentoo box, it reaffirms why every other box has been moved to ubuntu. I remember once upon a time you could emerge stuff and it would work, you wouldn't have to digure out the 20 different barriers that the gentoo devs put in place to prevent you from running the version of a piece of software you wanted to run. |
| [17:44:23] | wagnerrp: | ? |
| [17:45:02] | wagnerrp: | package-based distros require you run their specific chosen version of software |
| [17:45:24] | high-rez: | I totally agree, and its super annoying that I have to upgrade the entire OS with ubuntut just to get a recent version of QT. |
| [17:45:28] | wagnerrp: | its a consequence of running already-linked software, requiring specific versions of libraries |
| [17:46:04] | high-rez: | But QT is gentoo has become such a mess. For example, their masking of the qt metabuild because they're worried about "silly devs"... cOME ON. |
| [17:46:07] | high-rez: | Erps |
| [17:46:18] | wagnerrp: | i rarely have any problems running an emerge world on my gentoo images |
| [17:46:33] | wagnerrp: | i have a lot more problem with issues in gnome on my i386 laptop |
| [17:46:48] | cerise4096: | same, except I don't use gnome. |
| [17:47:11] | wagnerrp: | i would expect kde to have just as many problems |
| [17:47:24] | cerise4096: | I don't use kde either. 8) |
| [17:47:24] | wagnerrp: | being a very complex, inter-dependent set of a lot of packages |
| [17:47:43] | wagnerrp: | only way around it is to use fluxbox or something like that |
| [17:47:54] | cerise4096: | evilwm, in my case. |
| [17:48:11] | wagnerrp: | for a desktop system? |
| [17:49:07] | cerise4096: | Yep. |
| [17:49:23] | cerise4096: | Any system I use that uses X, uses evil. |
| [17:49:27] | wagnerrp: | well if you care to remember all those keyboard shortcuts to do anything, more power to you |
| [17:51:12] | cerise4096: | There's only 11 of them to my count. |
| [17:51:20] | cerise4096: | and 8 of those are vi keys. |
| [17:51:26] | cerise4096: | make that 12. |
| [17:51:46] | Yancho: | so if i buy that pci tv medion 7134 card i'm all set no? no more hardware to buy – aerial in the card and hope for the best :D |
| [17:52:20] | wagnerrp: | to be honest, the only reason i run gnome is for ease of use with wireless and USB drives |
| [17:52:24] | sphery: | unless it turns out that your broadcasters are sending high-bitrate H.264 and your CPU can't keep up with it... |
| [17:52:33] | sphery: | (can't keep up with decoding it) |
| [17:52:34] | wagnerrp: | i dont really care to manually configure wpa_supplication and AMD |
| [17:52:43] | wagnerrp: | s/wpa_supplication/wpa_supplicant/ |
| [17:53:06] | cerise4096: | wagnerrp: Use wicd. It makes the whole process much more palatable. |
| [17:53:10] | Yancho: | i can double check that – should i be connecting the modem too? am not understanding the use of modem |
| [17:53:19] | sphery: | my recommendation for a MythTV system is generally an Athlon II X2 or Core 2 Duo or Core i3/i5 dual core with an nvidia GT220 or higher |
| [17:53:37] | sphery: | but, as many on the -users list say, you can get by with less |
| [17:53:37] | Yancho: | wow that is a proper decent specced machine |
| [17:54:12] | wagnerrp: | you can pick up AthIIs for $50, and a GT210 for $30 |
| [17:54:15] | sphery: | but, IMHO, if you're using a high-end, luxury DVR, you don't skimp on hardware |
| [17:54:35] | wagnerrp: | motherboard is another $50-$100 depending on niceties, $20 for 2GB of DDR3 |
| [17:54:35] | sphery: | yeah, 210 would probably work... I have a 220, so don't know much about 210s |
| [17:54:54] | sphery: | I got my 220 for $7.99 |
| [17:54:57] | wagnerrp: | perfectly fine for anything but the high end VDPAU deints |
| [17:55:08] | kormoc: | I have deleted over a billion hard links in the past 24 hours |
| [17:55:12] | sphery: | (but I follow all the sales all the time, so that's not a typical price) |
| [17:55:30] | Yancho: | idea was i have a box here and just reuse instead of buying a video recorder lol |
| [17:55:31] | wagnerrp: | hard links suck |
| [17:55:32] | sphery: | kormoc: hehe, and your disk space... wasn't affected? ;) |
| [17:55:35] | wagnerrp: | go go mystic COW |
| [17:55:46] | sphery: | (ther than the freed inodes) |
| [17:55:51] | kormoc: | sphery, heh, it was actually. almost 250 gigabytes |
| [17:56:01] | sphery: | wow, guess when you have that many it adds up |
| [17:56:07] | kormoc: | 256 bytes per hardlink |
| [17:56:21] | wagnerrp: | hard links for what? |
| [17:56:58] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, snapshots, think time machine style. I had a pile of directories included that really really really shouldn't have been |
| [17:57:22] | sphery: | Did you get Mr Peabody's permission before doing this? |
| [17:57:45] | kormoc: | Nah, but he can just go back and keep me from doing it if it's a problem |
| [17:57:50] | sphery: | hehe |
| [17:58:06] | sphery: | Sherman seems to have gotten more assertive over the years... |
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| [17:58:39] | Rakeesh: | how do I find out what my mythtv database username/password is? |
| [17:58:55] | wagnerrp: | it will be listed in ~/.mythtv/config.xml |
| [18:00:45] | Rakeesh: | don't have that file but I found one listed in ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [18:00:48] | Rakeesh: | thanks though |
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| [18:16:01] | high-rez: | Whats your guys take on pulseadio these days? Should it still be disabled for optimal performance? |
| [18:16:13] | jams: | yes |
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| [18:26:54] | Rakeesh: | is winmyth supported here? |
| [18:27:41] | wagnerrp: | nope |
| [18:28:06] | wagnerrp: | nor has it worked with any version of mythtv in the last 4 years or so |
| [18:28:21] | Rakeesh: | hmm |
| [18:28:32] | Rakeesh: | they posted a recent version |
| [18:28:40] | wagnerrp: | got a link? |
| [18:28:59] | Rakeesh: | sec |
| [18:29:33] | Rakeesh: | http://members.iinet.net.au/~davco/ |
| [18:29:38] | Rakeesh: | 0.24.1-fixes |
| [18:29:53] | wagnerrp: | thats not winmyth |
| [18:30:05] | Rakeesh: | oh |
| [18:30:13] | Rakeesh: | well it's what I'm trying to use |
| [18:30:19] | wagnerrp: | this is winmyth... http://winmyth.sourceforge.net/ |
| [18:30:35] | Rakeesh: | is the one I am using supported? |
| [18:30:40] | wagnerrp: | the link you posted is just mythtv |
| [18:30:53] | wagnerrp: | mythtv compiles and runs on windows directly |
| [18:31:01] | wagnerrp: | (the frontend does anyway) |
| [18:31:41] | Rakeesh: | I've got my backend running, but the front end just shows a console window and doesn't do anything |
| [18:31:50] | Rakeesh: | http://pastebin.com/4KiGwJ6K |
| [18:33:03] | wagnerrp: | not enough verbosity to tell what the problem is, or that there even is a problem and its not just stalled waiting on something |
| [18:33:28] | Rakeesh: | any way to make it more verbose? |
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| [18:34:07] | wagnerrp: | run it with '-v some,other,verbosity' |
| [18:34:15] | wagnerrp: | maybe, '-v most,extra' |
| [18:36:51] | Rakeesh: | http://pastebin.com/90Enq1dm |
| [18:38:04] | Rakeesh: | guessing it doesn't place all of the configs in by default? |
| [18:38:14] | Rakeesh: | any wiki page that shows how to create one? |
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| [18:38:30] | wagnerrp: | it has found a config, and successfully connected to the database |
| [18:38:33] | wagnerrp: | then it just sits there |
| [18:38:38] | wagnerrp: | i dont know what its waiting on |
| [18:38:48] | sphery: | I forgot what it's waiting on... |
| [18:38:53] | sphery: | we figured it out one day |
| [18:39:02] | sphery: | it has something to do with the db, though |
| [18:39:11] | sphery: | and the config.xml/mysql.txt setup |
| [18:39:21] | sphery: | if you fix /all/ of those on the system, it will likely work |
| [18:39:50] | sphery: | ahhh, that's it: |
| [18:39:53] | sphery: | 2011-11–03 11:34:32.919 (old)Settings::ReadSettings(C:/Users/JJD/.mythtv/mysql.txt) – 'DBPort' = '6543'. |
| [18:39:57] | sphery: | that's /not/ the DB port |
| [18:40:03] | sphery: | that's the mythtv backend port |
| [18:40:17] | Rakeesh: | ah, what port would that be by default, and how do I change it? |
| [18:40:29] | sphery: | 3306 or for 0.24-fixes 0 |
| [18:40:41] | sphery: | 0 means use defaults |
| [18:40:48] | sphery: | where 3306 is default |
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| [18:41:35] | sphery: | wagnerrp: so do you want to write the code for mainserver that detects mysql driver communications and closes the connection with error? ;) |
| [18:42:04] | wagnerrp: | hehe |
| [18:42:15] | wagnerrp: | Rakeesh: did you set that? or did the installer set that automatically? |
| [18:42:43] | Rakeesh: | I did, the field was blank, so I typed in the only port number I was familiar with |
| [18:42:54] | Rakeesh: | trying to figure out how to go back to that setup thing |
| [18:43:03] | wagnerrp: | dont bother |
| [18:43:09] | wagnerrp: | just open up that file, and change the value |
| [18:43:33] | wagnerrp: | you cant get to that menu if you are stalled with that issue |
| [18:44:36] | Rakeesh: | got it |
| [18:44:47] | Rakeesh: | now I can't see my mouse cursor while in mythtv |
| [18:44:55] | Rakeesh: | arrow keys don't seem to do anything either |
| [18:45:00] | kormoc: | google easter egg: search for "do a barrel roll" |
| [18:45:10] | wagnerrp: | arrow keys should work, mouse cursor is disabled by default |
| [18:45:19] | wagnerrp: | (who wants to see a mouse cursor on screen when watching tv) |
| [18:45:49] | Rakeesh: | yeah I want it disabled by default anyways |
| [18:45:58] | Rakeesh: | just need to see it during initial setup is all |
| [18:46:11] | wagnerrp: | not if you use the arrow keys instead |
| [18:46:35] | sid3windr: | doesn't work in my googles : |
| [18:46:36] | sid3windr: | ^:[ |
| [18:46:45] | wagnerrp: | probably using too old a browser |
| [18:47:01] | sid3windr: | heh |
| [18:47:03] | wagnerrp: | i would expect that to be some html5 magic |
| [18:47:04] | sid3windr: | now that you mention it ;) |
| [18:47:06] | sid3windr: | ff 3.6 |
| [18:47:24] | wagnerrp: | were now on 7, yours must be like a decade old |
| [18:47:24] | sid3windr: | still should be able to do html5 |
| [18:47:36] | sid3windr: | isn't the difference between 5 and 7 like 3 weeks |
| [18:47:42] | wagnerrp: | shaddup |
| [18:47:42] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [18:47:44] | sid3windr: | :> |
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| [18:52:32] | sphery: | Rakeesh: otherwise, you can just do: mythfrontend -p |
| [18:52:41] | sphery: | (though it sounds like you've fixed it, already) |
| [18:52:46] | wagnerrp: | that bypasses the whole issue? |
| [18:52:58] | sphery: | it re-prompts for database and backend info |
| [18:53:01] | wagnerrp: | i know it brings up the selection dialog |
| [18:53:19] | wagnerrp: | but for all i know, it could still attempt to connect to the information it finds in the files |
| [18:53:19] | sphery: | btw, I should mention that it was wagnerrp who figured this out the first time... |
| [18:53:25] | wagnerrp: | it was? |
| [18:53:32] | sphery: | yeah :) |
| [18:53:44] | sphery: | quite a while back you tracked it down for a user |
| [18:53:52] | wagnerrp: | if only i could figure out why my new logging bits in the bindings arent working properly |
| [18:54:03] | sphery: | I just kept remembering it was a problem with the mysql.txt/config.xml, but didn't remember specifics |
| [18:54:42] | sphery: | in theory, though, if you use mythfrontend -p and then actually correct the info in the prompt, it will use the new info |
| [18:54:44] | wagnerrp: | ... because theyre not installed |
| [18:54:52] | wagnerrp: | why are they not installed, i just installed them |
| [18:54:55] | sphery: | of course, if the file isn't writable by the user running mythfrontend -p, it won't be able to fix it |
| [18:55:13] | sphery: | but if all the basics are properly config'ed |
| [18:55:23] | wagnerrp: | oh, right.. i never pulled the new tree |
| [18:55:32] | Yancho: | wagnerrp, sphery thanks both for your help! will buy the card and try it with my set up .. if it fails .. o well! tough luck :P |
| [18:56:06] | sphery: | Yancho: yeah, best to start with what you have--so it's a small initial money investment--then decide more as you start setting up/finding issues |
| [18:56:20] | sphery: | and at least the capture card should be relatively inexpensive |
| [18:56:37] | Yancho: | yeah .. might juggle with the hardware i have lying around |
| [18:56:39] | wagnerrp: | forgot i needed to update all the existing calls in the script |
| [18:56:42] | sphery: | Yancho: note, also, you'll need one capture card per channel you want to watch |
| [18:57:03] | Yancho: | will just be used to either record or play at a time |
| [18:57:05] | sphery: | Yancho: so if she's going to watch one while recording the other (and they're on separate channels--meaning different multiplexes), you'll need 2 capture cards |
| [18:57:30] | Yancho: | 2 scart inputs on the tv – one from pc – one from an existing box ;) |
| [18:57:33] | sphery: | if she watches one on TV (without MythTV) while recording the other with MythTV, one card will work |
| [18:57:39] | sphery: | ok, cool |
| [18:57:46] | sphery: | just thought I should mention that |
| [18:57:53] | sphery: | since "Live TV" requires a tuner, too |
| [18:58:02] | Yancho: | yeah read that after i read that u have 8 cards lol |
| [18:58:08] | wagnerrp: | thats going to make a lot of^H^H^H^H^H^Hcouple users annoyed with 0.25 |
| [18:58:33] | ** wagnerrp has no delusions of the logging interface getting much usage ** | |
| [18:58:39] | Yancho: | still not sure about the modem on the card :s |
| [18:58:54] | Rakeesh: | where does mythbackend log to by default? |
| [18:59:00] | wagnerrp: | the terminal |
| [18:59:02] | Rakeesh: | I'm doubting that it's even running |
| [18:59:10] | Rakeesh: | the service does? |
| [18:59:26] | wagnerrp: | mythtv does not have a service by default |
| [18:59:34] | wagnerrp: | that is something added by your particular distro |
| [19:00:35] | Rakeesh: | mythbuntu |
| [19:01:04] | sphery: | mythbuntu is using /var/log/mythtv |
| [19:01:21] | sphery: | in 0.24-fixes they specify a log file, in unstable, they're using syslog logging |
| [19:01:31] | sphery: | but it's all in /var/log/mythtv |
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| [19:02:57] | Rakeesh: | http://pastebin.com/tRKnYdkM |
| [19:03:13] | Rakeesh: | followed the directions for hdhomerun which instructed me to leave the default channel to "please add" |
| [19:03:50] | Rakeesh: | anyways when the front end connects for livetv, the backend segfaults |
| [19:04:01] | wagnerrp: | im absolutely certain any proper directions would have told you to go back later and fix that before leaving mythtv-setup |
| [19:04:13] | iamlindoro: | Which they do |
| [19:04:30] | Rakeesh: | oh |
| [19:06:46] | Rakeesh: | I still can't get guide data from sd btw |
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| [19:07:00] | Rakeesh: | trying EIT |
| [19:07:07] | wagnerrp: | you cant get guide data until you have channels to get guide data for |
| [19:07:12] | wagnerrp: | and you cannot use EIT on digital cable |
| [19:07:31] | iamlindoro: | MEaning you are glossing over the instructions, not following them |
| [19:07:43] | iamlindoro: | you need to put your thinking cap on, and read each and every sentence carefully |
| [19:07:48] | Rakeesh: | no my sd account won't allow me to choose a lineup |
| [19:08:04] | Rakeesh: | says I'm being effected by some random bug please wait |
| [19:08:07] | Rakeesh: | been like that since last night |
| [19:08:14] | iamlindoro: | Then you can't get any further with your setup |
| [19:08:25] | iamlindoro: | you *need* SD to get your channel list. You cannot complete myth setup without one. |
| [19:08:52] | wagnerrp: | sphery: mmm... http://pastebin.com/P5v2rDZd |
| [19:09:24] | Rakeesh: | mythtv can't scan the channel list from the tuning adapter? |
| [19:09:36] | wagnerrp: | not at current |
| [19:09:59] | wagnerrp: | no real point when you can just pull the lineup from SD anyway |
| [19:10:07] | iamlindoro: | A tuning adapter isn't a source of channels anyway |
| [19:10:14] | iamlindoro: | it's a dumb device |
| [19:10:26] | wagnerrp: | right, you would be pulling it from the Prime itself |
| [19:10:37] | Rakeesh: | ah thought the prime polls the tuning adapter |
| [19:10:40] | wagnerrp: | (the Prime knows what channels you get) |
| [19:10:41] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [19:10:56] | wagnerrp: | the Prime simply uses the tuning adapter to notify the headend that you want that channel |
| [19:11:01] | wagnerrp: | and they need to switch it in |
| [19:12:08] | Rakeesh: | no way to manually push the prime channel scan into myth? |
| [19:12:22] | iamlindoro: | The prime doesn't scan for channels, and no, you can't |
| [19:12:50] | iamlindoro: | The prime is periodically provided with channels by the cable card, which in turn downloads them via the out of band tuner |
| [19:13:29] | iamlindoro: | You need to fix your SD lineup/get it fixed. It is the one and only way to get channels from the prime into myth |
| [19:13:36] | iamlindoro: | s/from/for/ |
| [19:13:59] | wagnerrp: | potentially, someone could write code to pull that channel list out of the Prime, and insert it into mythtv |
| [19:14:04] | wagnerrp: | but there is no such code currently |
| [19:14:17] | wagnerrp: | and no real point since you cant do anything without guide data, which means schedules direct |
| [19:14:33] | iamlindoro: | And by someone that means probably me |
| [19:14:57] | wagnerrp: | if anything, it would be more to filter channels based on CCI code, rather than generate a list in the first place |
| [19:14:58] | iamlindoro: | And personally, I have no plans to do it for the reason wagnerrp stated |
| [19:15:10] | iamlindoro: | nah, the list in the prime doesn't have the CCI info either |
| [19:15:23] | iamlindoro: | You can only get the sub/CCI info by directly tuning the channel |
| [19:15:26] | wagnerrp: | you have to tune the channel to get that information? |
| [19:15:26] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [19:15:41] | iamlindoro: | I've chatted with them about caching it in the list, though |
| [19:15:56] | iamlindoro: | they'll need to do some amount of it when they add prime support to their lineup server |
| [19:16:00] | Rakeesh: | cox appears to have dropped the CCI code entirely, the tuner info page doesn't even list it |
| [19:16:35] | iamlindoro: | s/cox/cox in your area/ |
| [19:17:08] | Rakeesh: | I managed to talk some cox employee in georgia into looking into it, and they changed it yesterday |
| [19:17:45] | iamlindoro: | Right. But you can only independently confirm your own area-- Only time will tell whether it's more than that, or whether it will remain |
| [19:18:17] | Rakeesh: | anyways just tried sd again it appears to be working now |
| [19:24:54] | sphery: | wagnerrp: nice... all throught bindings logging? |
| [19:25:04] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [19:25:12] | sphery: | it is writing the file directly? |
| [19:25:14] | wagnerrp: | automatically parses out the relevant options from the command line |
| [19:25:18] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [19:25:22] | sphery: | cool |
| [19:25:32] | wagnerrp: | although it appears i just ran into (yet more) unicode issues |
| [19:26:00] | sphery: | hehe, yeah, we have way too many "universal" character formats |
| [19:26:16] | sphery: | or perhaps that's pronounced "un" not "yoon" |
| [19:26:26] | wagnerrp: | python defaults to ascii output for file writing |
| [19:26:27] | sphery: | (like UPnP) |
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| [19:30:39] | Rakeesh: | I'm going into video sources > my source > schedules direct > login/pass > retrieve lineup > cox digital blah blah |
| [19:30:47] | Rakeesh: | save and go to choose default channel, nothing there |
| [19:31:00] | Rakeesh: | go back to sources and the lineup is set to some weird set of letters/numbers |
| [19:31:15] | Rakeesh: | change it back to cox digital cable, save, return and same thing |
| [19:35:31] | iamlindoro: | Rakeesh: I am not confident that you haven't fouled things up by hacking around on it without SD |
| [19:35:50] | iamlindoro: | You need to delete all your capture cards and lineups, and start over, *carefully* following the instructions |
| [19:36:30] | iamlindoro: | The lineup name as represented in Mythtv-setup *should* be a weird combination of letters and numbers |
| [19:36:52] | iamlindoro: | it's the location code from TMS for that market and provider |
| [19:39:15] | kisak: | wagnerrp: thanks for the ebuild bump |
| [19:39:44] | wagnerrp: | you can make your own bumps very easily |
| [19:40:19] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i bet i need to do something for unicode in syslog logs dont i? |
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| [19:51:14] | sphery: | wagnerrp: hehe, not sure... haven't even explored that. I had assumed a proper system config would mean a proper syslog config |
| [19:51:34] | sphery: | I don't have a lot of non-latin characters |
| [19:52:04] | wagnerrp: | for some reason the episode of CHAOS is named Molé |
| [19:52:14] | wagnerrp: | one of my rare utf recordings |
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| [19:54:57] | sphery: | hehe, you do realize you just confused MythLogBot , right? |
| [19:55:14] | wagnerrp: | whoops |
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| [19:55:45] | sphery: | actually, yours worked |
| [19:56:01] | smoothifier: | i've got a custom mythmenu loading and it displays on the screen. i can't get it to EXEC but it will call another menu (MENU) fine. the command is EXEC /usr/bin/sudo /sbin/reboot. the user is in sudoers. the command works fine from the prompt. other non-privileged commands also fail. |
| [19:56:03] | sphery: | http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/1 wonder if Beirdo fixed its utf-8 stuff? |
| [19:56:14] | smoothifier: | it seems so simple. |
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| [19:57:25] | wagnerrp: | sudo requires you give your login password |
| [19:57:31] | smoothifier: | i've come a long way since yesterday, though... things are recording fine, playback is pretty darn decent. |
| [19:57:48] | smoothifier: | it doesn't from the command prompt. i tried it |
| [19:57:55] | wagnerrp: | it does the first time you run it |
| [19:58:06] | smoothifier: | i have run it a few times |
| [19:58:07] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, no, you can tell sudo not to prompt for a password |
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| [19:58:13] | wagnerrp: | subsequent passes retain that authorization for an amount of time |
| [19:58:24] | sphery: | smoothifier: is mythfrontend running as your user? |
| [19:58:34] | smoothifier: | yes, as mythv |
| [19:58:36] | smoothifier: | but... |
| [19:58:37] | sphery: | if not, you need to test your sudo as the user running mythfrontend |
| [19:58:46] | kormoc: | smoothifier, google for "sudo NOPASSWD" |
| [19:58:48] | smoothifier: | it also fails on running an xterm |
| [19:59:08] | smoothifier: | i'll do that |
| [20:02:27] | ** wagnerrp doesnt understand the FreeBSD disk subsystem ** | |
| [20:02:52] | wagnerrp: | im moving some 45GB from a spare 2TB drive onto my raid |
| [20:03:13] | wagnerrp: | its sits there for 10–15 seconds reading off the source at 50–75MB/s |
| [20:03:30] | wagnerrp: | and then stops reading, and bursts it over to the RAID at some 250MB/s |
| [20:03:52] | wagnerrp: | is like it cant do both at the same time |
| [20:03:54] | smoothifier: | so in sudoers, 'mythtv ALL = NOPASSWD : MYTHTV' ? |
| [20:04:09] | smoothifier: | i think that's right, i'll try it |
| [20:04:41] | wagnerrp: | i just ran irexec as root, tied to a .lircrc with a single command for the power button |
| [20:05:56] | devinheitmueller: | Is everybody in the US set to record the nationwide EAS test on November 9th? http://www.broadcastlawblog.com/2011/11/artic . . . oogle+Reader |
| [20:07:37] | wagnerrp: | smoothifier: if youre using it to reboot/shutdown |
| [20:07:44] | wagnerrp: | why not just use the option built into the exit menu? |
| [20:07:54] | wagnerrp: | why bother with a custom menu entry |
| [20:08:04] | smoothifier: | i have one that remounts /etc/fstab |
| [20:08:12] | smoothifier: | but i wasn't aware of the others actually |
| [20:08:27] | wagnerrp: | remounts fstab? |
| [20:08:29] | smoothifier: | just want to mount -a |
| [20:08:31] | smoothifier: | well |
| [20:08:38] | smoothifier: | excuse my literacty |
| [20:08:44] | wagnerrp: | to what end? |
| [20:09:21] | smoothifier: | sometimes my other server is offline when my mythtv server boots and it does not pick up the share |
| [20:09:36] | smoothifier: | it saves me a trip across the room and keeps me near my beverage :) |
| [20:09:53] | wagnerrp: | at that point, startup fails and you get dumped into single user mode |
| [20:10:01] | smoothifier: | i have a cifs share |
| [20:10:04] | wagnerrp: | anything in fstab _must_ mount successfully |
| [20:10:07] | smoothifier: | it doesnt' fail |
| [20:10:29] | smoothifier: | i've got it set up that way |
| [20:10:57] | smoothifier: | i could show you, but i think it's beside the point |
| [20:11:25] | wagnerrp: | use something like AMD which waits to mount until you actually go to use the path |
| [20:11:44] | smoothifier: | i'm open to suggestions |
| [20:12:08] | smoothifier: | what if the server isn't on? |
| [20:12:46] | wagnerrp: | then after a while it times out and the application is informed that path doesnt exist |
| [20:13:40] | smoothifier: | i'm looking at a man page right now |
| [20:13:57] | wagnerrp: | or better option, move all your disks to your linux server |
| [20:14:06] | smoothifier: | that would be best |
| [20:14:15] | smoothifier: | i've got a tiny case :/ |
| [20:14:43] | wagnerrp: | circular dependencies suck, best option is to restructure to eliminate them |
| [20:15:18] | smoothifier: | i could move things on there... that would make things simpler... you're right |
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| [20:20:18] | wagnerrp: | 21 emails in an hour complaining about flooding that happened nearly a month ago? |
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| [20:23:02] | wagnerrp: | wtf... |
| [20:23:26] | wagnerrp: | thailand floods, hard drive manufacturing plants end up underwater, hard drive prices rise |
| [20:23:47] | wagnerrp: | and people are complaining that the rise in prices is due to the manufacturers "cashing out on the tragedy"? |
| [20:24:35] | kormoc: | Well obviously they're just taking advantage of the supply and demand capitalist world market |
| [20:24:56] | kormoc: | it was never intended to be used to raise prices during a shortage |
| [20:25:06] | kormoc: | unless I'm the one selling the item |
| [20:29:48] | cerise4096: | What's funny is that I work in storage |
| [20:30:09] | cerise4096: | and companies all over the place are trying to scrape up the last of the inexpensive drives to meet their contracts |
| [20:30:49] | cerise4096: | It's amazing how a little water can cause so much havoc. |
| [20:31:14] | wagnerrp: | mean... a massive monsoon rather than a moderate monsoon? |
| [20:31:19] | wagnerrp: | s/mean/meaning/ |
| [20:31:42] | cerise4096: | Ok — fine. A little *more* water. ; ) |
| [20:32:10] | ** wagnerrp suggests those rice farmers building their homes on stilts are onto something ** | |
| [20:33:06] | cerise4096: | Yeah, well, they can keep their stilts. I live in California and stilts don't do well in earthquakes 8) |
| [20:33:24] | cerise4096: | Frankly, I wish we'd just have done with it already and start living in floating cities. |
| [20:33:26] | Rakeesh: | grr another bug with sd |
| [20:33:28] | wagnerrp: | put a gas turbine on the roof, some food stores, temporary dormatories for the workers |
| [20:33:46] | wagnerrp: | everyone is staying here and building hard drives until the flood waters recede! |
| [20:34:19] | cerise4096: | Which in turn causes a glut of hard drives which makes them almost worthless. 8) |
| [20:34:39] | wagnerrp: | nah, theyre the only ones building them while all the other plants are shut down |
| [20:34:49] | smoothifier: | wagnerrp: is there an exit menu? i don't see one in the classic theme i'm using |
| [20:34:53] | wagnerrp: | so they get to cash in on the tragedy with high prices and high volume |
| [20:35:04] | wagnerrp: | smoothifier: you hit 'esc' while in the main menu, and one pops up |
| [20:35:31] | smoothifier: | right... well i only have a choice to quit the frontend there |
| [20:35:42] | wagnerrp: | then it is not configured properly |
| [20:35:48] | wagnerrp: | there should also be options to shut down and reboot |
| [20:36:11] | wagnerrp: | cerise4096: when they run low on supplies, the pixies can fly in more |
| [20:36:18] | smoothifier: | that would be nice... i just tried calling a shell script with the sudo command in there and no dice that way, either |
| [20:36:21] | wagnerrp: | ive seen the videos, i know they use pixie dust to increase data density |
| [20:37:28] | smoothifier: | is there a way i can turn on sudo logging? i wonder what's happening.. i put the NOPASSWD in there (of course, i could be wrong) and i get nothing, but the commands execute fine from the prompt |
| [20:37:32] | Rakeesh: | is there any way I can wipe the mythtv configuration entirely and start over? |
| [20:37:46] | wagnerrp: | Rakeesh: drop the database and create a new one |
| [20:38:50] | smoothifier: | my question's not on topic. i'll dig around. thanks again :) |
| [20:39:02] | Rakeesh: | what do you use to do that? mythtvfilldatabase? |
| [20:39:18] | wagnerrp: | open the mysql command line client |
| [20:39:23] | wagnerrp: | 'drop database mythconverg;' |
| [20:39:40] | wagnerrp: | everything in mythtv is stored in the database |
| [20:39:54] | wagnerrp: | the only thing not stored there is the location of the database, videos, and images |
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| [20:50:32] | Rakeesh: | is there any way to manually download the xmltv data straight from sd and push it into the database? |
| [20:50:49] | Rakeesh: | I'm having a nat problem with the internal sd grabber |
| [20:51:22] | wagnerrp: | mythtv just downloads through wget, and wget should have no problem with NAT |
| [20:51:34] | sphery: | so on -users list they seem to be under the impression that stocks of HDD have dried up. I'm not so sure that's the case |
| [20:51:35] | wagnerrp: | unless youre actually having a firewall or proxy problem |
| [20:51:44] | sphery: | yeah, I think I've heard of proxy issues |
| [20:51:58] | wagnerrp: | not dried up, but the production is certainly way down |
| [20:52:01] | sphery: | yes |
| [20:52:04] | Rakeesh: | it's kind of a fucky setup, it's a nat behind a nat |
| [20:52:09] | sphery: | but they're talking like there are no drives to buy |
| [20:52:11] | wagnerrp: | a nat behind a nat... |
| [20:52:16] | Rakeesh: | ya lol |
| [20:52:19] | sphery: | they're there--just about 2x the cost from 4mos ago |
| [20:52:20] | redxine: | it's nat inception |
| [20:52:25] | Rakeesh: | if I could manually load the guide data it wouldn't be a problem |
| [20:52:29] | sphery: | Rakeesh: language, please |
| [20:52:39] | Rakeesh: | meant funky |
| [20:52:52] | wagnerrp: | i actually read funky |
| [20:52:52] | sphery: | ahh, that makes more sense, too |
| [20:52:59] | sphery: | just an unfortunate typo |
| [20:53:05] | Rakeesh: | ya |
| [20:53:05] | biffhero: | I intended to go get another 2T drive for $90 the other day, and ended up walking out of Fry's with no new hard drives. |
| [20:53:23] | sphery: | Rakeesh: only way to download the data directly is using tv_grab_na_dd from xmltv |
| [20:53:36] | sphery: | Rakeesh: you'd want to use --dd-data (or whatever the arg is) |
| [20:53:50] | wagnerrp: | i would advise fixing your crazy network instead |
| [20:53:53] | iamlindoro: | though if that works, then mythfilldatabase will too |
| [20:53:55] | sphery: | Rakeesh: then use mythfilldatabase --dd-file to load it... you should download all the data in one run |
| [20:54:04] | sphery: | or, better--fix your network |
| [20:54:09] | iamlindoro: | there's no scenario in which tv_grab_na will get you the data and mfdb won't |
| [20:54:18] | Rakeesh: | well I can fix the network, but it's going to take a few days |
| [20:54:20] | sphery: | yeah, was thinking he was wanting to download it on the "outside" net or something |
| [20:54:28] | Rakeesh: | I do, just for now |
| [20:54:33] | Rakeesh: | I'll have a permanent fix up later |
| [20:54:44] | wagnerrp: | i dont see a scenario where any amount of nested NATs would prevent wget from downloading a file |
| [20:54:52] | sphery: | for that, xmltv's tv_grab_na_dd and get the raw file (you can even tell it not to process it to xmltv data) |
| [20:55:06] | biffhero: | rakeesh: Can you "wget http://www.cisco.com" ? that's the same thing the grabber does, I thought. |
| [20:55:15] | biffhero: | what wagnerrp said. |
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| [20:56:16] | sphery: | Rakeesh: something liek: tv_grab_na_dd --dd-data schedules_direct_raw_data.xml --download-only |
| [20:56:43] | sphery: | also note that you /will/ have one failed request when connecting to schedules direct |
| [20:56:48] | Rakeesh: | I'm looking on the sd app page don't see tv_grab_na_dd |
| [20:56:55] | sphery: | xmltv |
| [20:57:34] | sphery: | you'll get a 401 error on first connect, then it really connects with ssl--that's normal |
| [20:57:45] | sphery: | can you show us logs from a run of mythfilldatabase directly? |
| [20:57:50] | sphery: | pastebin.com , please |
| [20:58:51] | redxine: | I'm having trouble with changing channels.... the audio stops working for some reason |
| [20:59:01] | sphery: | redxine: which capture card? |
| [20:59:14] | redxine: | It's an analog Bt framebuffer card |
| [20:59:28] | redxine: | audio input is through hw0, and playback for the frontend is on hw2 |
| [20:59:31] | wagnerrp: | best to burn it |
| [20:59:34] | Rakeesh: | hmm I lost that in the terminal buffer |
| [20:59:35] | wagnerrp: | in a fire |
| [20:59:44] | Rakeesh: | but it was having a 402 unauthorized |
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| [21:00:10] | Rakeesh: | brb though got to go to a doc appointment |
| [21:00:31] | sphery: | 401 unauth is normal, then it will work the 2nd time |
| [21:00:56] | redxine: | When I change the channel the script works, and eventually the video kicks in after the script exits, but the audio is gone. |
| [21:01:05] | sphery: | Rakeesh: also, note that after you initially set up your account and/or lineup, it may take several hours before you can use mythfilldatabase (or tv_grab_na_dd) to access it |
| [21:01:10] | redxine: | When I try to turn up the volume it stays at 0% |
| [21:01:21] | redxine: | the only way to fix it is exit live TV and pull it back up |
| [21:01:25] | wagnerrp: | script? |
| [21:01:35] | redxine: | channel change script |
| [21:01:37] | sphery: | redxine: I'm pretty sure this is a problem with analog frame grabbers that don't work properly |
| [21:01:55] | wagnerrp: | yes, burn the card in a fire, and buy a decent one |
| [21:01:56] | redxine: | it's input from a satellite reciever |
| [21:02:33] | wagnerrp: | pick up a nice DVB-S tuner |
| [21:02:40] | sphery: | redxine: you need to put an unmute in your channel change script |
| [21:02:41] | redxine: | I'm using it with AFN, which uses a strange Scientific Atlanta encrypted thing |
| [21:02:51] | sphery: | or, better, replace the framegrabber with a real hardware encoder card :) |
| [21:02:51] | redxine: | the audio still comes from the STB |
| [21:02:58] | redxine: | this is a problem with myth |
| [21:03:02] | sphery: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine? . . . re&mh=25 |
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| [21:03:10] | sphery: | redxine: yes, as I explained. |
| [21:03:18] | wagnerrp: | i thought AFN stuff got picked up by a local headend and redistributed as cable |
| [21:03:24] | sphery: | but, really, it's a problem with your capture card and/or broken drivers |
| [21:03:30] | redxine: | Not in the middle of North West Germany ;D |
| [21:03:59] | sphery: | something like http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/291525#291525 in the channel change script |
| [21:04:34] | redxine: | the audio input doesn't come from the Bt card, it's from a PCI sound card |
| [21:05:04] | sphery: | ok, not sure then |
| [21:05:10] | sphery: | what's set as your audio input device? |
| [21:05:21] | sphery: | (for the capture card) |
| [21:05:48] | redxine: | the Bt card driver makes a device on hw1, but I configured myth to take audio from hw2 |
| [21:05:57] | redxine: | output for the frontend is on hw0 |
| [21:06:08] | redxine: | it all works until I change the channel |
| [21:06:27] | sphery: | but bt card has to do output to the sound card, right? |
| [21:06:48] | sphery: | hw2 is bt audio output? |
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| [21:06:50] | redxine: | there's no audio input on this card, it's just the driver creates the device. |
| [21:07:08] | sphery: | I'm pretty sure you just need to unmute the v4l device |
| [21:07:11] | redxine: | hw2 is the PCI card I capture the audio from the STB with |
| [21:07:16] | sphery: | start up live tv |
| [21:07:17] | redxine: | the levels never change in alsamixer |
| [21:07:19] | sphery: | change channel |
| [21:07:22] | sphery: | get muted audio |
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| [21:07:38] | redxine: | so why can't mythfrontend unmute it? |
| [21:07:43] | sphery: | then, from a terminal, issue a command like http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/299729#299729 |
| [21:07:44] | wagnerrp: | i would still say the best option is to try to find an old PVR-150 |
| [21:08:01] | sphery: | and, yeah, hardware encoder is best option |
| [21:08:04] | sphery: | much easier |
| [21:08:07] | wagnerrp: | over here, theyre $20 used, and all these headaches are gone |
| [21:08:16] | wagnerrp: | dont know what they might go for in europe |
| [21:08:28] | sphery: | redxine: the problem is that the driver and/or card isn't following the standard |
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| [21:09:24] | sphery: | this guy may have good advice, too -> http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3086#comment:2 |
| [21:09:49] | sphery: | at least in between his rants about Atom-based systems... |
| [21:10:12] | redxine: | http://paste.ubuntu.com/727615/ |
| [21:10:18] | redxine: | those are the mythfrontend logs |
| [21:10:26] | sphery: | redxine: just check that check box in the V4L card config screen |
| [21:10:42] | redxine: | ... which box? |
| [21:10:47] | sphery: | http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3086#comment:2 |
| [21:10:56] | sphery: | that's a workaround for these broken cards/drivers |
| [21:11:06] | redxine: | ah |
| [21:11:10] | redxine: | I'll try that |
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| [21:12:13] | sphery: | you may need a reboot to properly reset your card--once checked, mythtv won't mess with volume of the card at all |
| [21:12:26] | sphery: | or you can use v4l2-ctl to unmute and set volume directly |
| [21:13:02] | sphery: | you probably will want to do that once per boot (and if mythtv is the only user of the card and mythtv doesn't change the audio settings, all will be good for all recordings) |
| [21:13:57] | sphery: | you'll need to use one of the 2 syntaxes shown here to unmute/set volume: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/299729#299729 |
| [21:14:35] | redxine: | still having the same problem |
| [21:14:37] | sphery: | redxine: also, which video card are you using? |
| [21:14:43] | redxine: | I'll try a reboot... |
| [21:14:50] | sphery: | did you restart mythbackend after making those changes? |
| [21:14:58] | redxine: | it restarted when I changed the config |
| [21:14:59] | sphery: | yeah, reboot is easiest way to reset things properly |
| [21:15:08] | sphery: | which video card? |
| [21:15:25] | redxine: | 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon 2100 |
| [21:15:35] | sphery: | you need to change your playback profile group, too |
| [21:15:48] | redxine: | the input card is on /dev/video0 BT878 (Hauppauge bttv) |
| [21:15:52] | sphery: | you currently have a vdpau one selected, but that's for nvidia video cards with nvidia proprietary drivers |
| [21:16:02] | redxine: | o.o |
| [21:16:17] | redxine: | must have missed that lol |
| [21:16:22] | sphery: | go into frontend settings Utilities/Setup|Setup|TV Settings|Playback, 3rd screen, and change the playback profile group to Slim |
| [21:16:29] | sphery: | that may also fix issues |
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| [21:16:50] | sphery: | as you're getting some fallback to who knows what config |
| [21:16:52] | wagnerrp: | hauppauge bttv... so that would be like a late 90s WinTV? |
| [21:17:44] | redxine: | x3 idk I got it new anyways |
| [21:18:02] | wagnerrp: | new a decade ago maybe |
| [21:18:19] | redxine: | I'm getting a nice 40£ DVB-S card for the freeview |
| [21:18:34] | redxine: | well |
| [21:18:36] | sphery: | dvb-s wil be much easier |
| [21:18:37] | redxine: | assumably nice |
| [21:18:52] | redxine: | problem is that AFN isn't plain DVB anything |
| [21:18:59] | redxine: | it's SA PowerVu |
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| [21:21:00] | sphery: | so the AFN receiver is outputting NTSC or PAL? |
| [21:21:58] | redxine: | NTSC |
| [21:22:03] | redxine: | and it's hardwired to do so |
| [21:22:10] | redxine: | still same problem with the audio |
| [21:22:23] | redxine: | and now my LIRC receiver is broken again x.x |
| [21:22:24] | sphery: | something like this would be ideal, but shipping to Germany is likely to be more than the card's worth: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hauppauge-WinTV-PVR-1 . . . em20bd271989 |
| [21:22:57] | sphery: | have you tried unmuting and setting volume at the consol? |
| [21:22:57] | redxine: | shipping from newegg for the whole machine ran me $75 ish |
| [21:22:59] | sphery: | console |
| [21:23:05] | redxine: | with alsamixer? |
| [21:23:27] | sphery: | no, using v4l2-ctl (one of these 2 syntaxes) – http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/299729#299729 |
| [21:23:49] | sphery: | you may need to put those commands into, say, your channel change script (once you get them working properly on the command line) |
| [21:24:30] | redxine: | not sure what the package name is for v4l2-ctl |
| [21:24:47] | redxine: | it's not installed in mythbuntu |
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| [21:26:02] | redxine: | it's muted again right now. Video looks fine, but when I try to turn the volume up, it stays at 0% |
| [21:26:13] | redxine: | I hit back > Watch TV |
| [21:26:16] | redxine: | and it works fine |
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| [21:26:31] | sphery: | yeah, the problem is the card itself has muted audio |
| [21:26:47] | sphery: | it's not outputting any audio to the sound card or whatever device you're telling mythtv to record audio from |
| [21:26:54] | redxine: | it's not pulling audio from the card though o.o |
| [21:27:06] | wagnerrp: | the sound card |
| [21:27:29] | sphery: | redxine: seems ivtv-utils ? |
| [21:27:31] | wagnerrp: | oh, hes saying the tuner card is not passing audio to the sound card |
| [21:27:32] | wagnerrp: | nevermind |
| [21:27:33] | sphery: | http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=co . . . amp;arch=any |
| [21:27:55] | sphery: | right, tuner card isn't passing audio to (sound card|mythtv|whoever) |
| [21:28:07] | Oleg_: | Please help. If I load mythbackend with the command /usr/local/etc/rc.d/mythbackend onestart, I have no problems when I watch live tv in mythfrontend. But if I add mythbackend_enable="yes" to rc.conf and it starts when the system is booting up, I get the message from mythfrontend when trying to watch live tv: "mythfrontend is using all inputs, but there are no active recordings?" |
| [21:28:08] | redxine: | correct |
| [21:28:46] | sphery: | ok, no v4l2-ctl in natty... |
| [21:28:57] | sphery: | no clue how it's done in current *buntu |
| [21:29:00] | redxine: | I'm installing it but it's 48 mb worth of packages |
| [21:29:06] | redxine: | for some reason |
| [21:29:16] | Oleg_: | wagnerrp, do you know what causes this issue? |
| [21:30:07] | wagnerrp: | with what tuner? |
| [21:30:12] | wagnerrp: | the webcamd thing? |
| [21:30:15] | Oleg_: | yes |
| [21:30:24] | sphery: | Oleg_: sounds like maybe your system is starting mythbackend before the network and/or database is set up |
| [21:30:28] | redxine: | I'm downloading the nuv of the live tv while the audio is muted to see if it's a frontend problem... |
| [21:30:34] | wagnerrp: | my bet is that init starts up mythbackend before webcamd is set up |
| [21:30:44] | sphery: | or that... |
| [21:30:49] | sphery: | didn't realize this was bsd |
| [21:31:48] | sphery: | Oleg_: in general, that's the error you'll get when all configured capture cards are "broken" (i.e. mythtv can't actually access them for some reason) |
| [21:32:06] | sphery: | so wagnerrp's theory makes a /lot/ of sense |
| [21:33:21] | sphery: | redxine: it's possible that now you're supposed to use alsa to unmute/set volume on the tuner's audio |
| [21:34:10] | redxine: | I'm about to try that |
| [21:34:20] | sphery: | the capture volume/mute for the tuner card's audio device |
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| [21:34:39] | redxine: | mythbox@mythbox:~$ /usr/bin/v4l2-ctl -d /dev/video0 --set-ctrl=mute=0 |
| [21:34:39] | redxine: | mythbox@mythbox:~$ /usr/bin/v4l2-ctl -d /dev/video0 --set-ctrl=volume=70% |
| [21:34:39] | redxine: | unknown control 'volume' |
| [21:35:07] | sphery: | try the other syntax, then |
| [21:35:18] | sphery: | the "this didn't work" syntax |
| [21:35:22] | sphery: | I think the other one is newer |
| [21:35:46] | Oleg_: | yes, I see that in rc.conf, webcamd_enable="YES" is listed above mythbackend_enable="YES" |
| [21:35:58] | Oleg_: | I guess I just have to change the order in which they are listed |
| [21:36:02] | sphery: | redxine: so, v4l2-ctl -video /dev/video0 volume mute off |
| [21:36:09] | redxine: | it returns a usage statement |
| [21:36:15] | redxine: | oh wait |
| [21:36:21] | redxine: | yes same. |
| [21:36:32] | sphery: | ok, so --set-ctrl is right, and only the volume one fails? |
| [21:36:46] | redxine: | correct |
| [21:37:06] | redxine: | I just don't understand why it works fine when I restart Live TV |
| [21:37:07] | sphery: | it may just have a line-level output, then? |
| [21:37:07] | Oleg_: | brb |
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| [21:37:17] | redxine: | what does |
| [21:37:29] | sphery: | if it works fine when you restart live tv, then it seems mythtv is still controlling audio |
| [21:37:34] | sphery: | like that check box isn't checked? |
| [21:37:48] | sphery: | I was thinking maybe the tuner card has only a line-level audio output |
| [21:37:49] | redxine: | /dev/video0 has no hardware audio capabilities |
| [21:37:50] | sphery: | (i.e. no volume) |
| [21:38:05] | sphery: | ok, then you'd just need the unmute |
| [21:38:12] | redxine: | but none of them are muted! |
| [21:38:26] | redxine: | none of my alsa state changes at all. |
| [21:38:34] | sphery: | right |
| [21:38:34] | redxine: | the volume control on the front end is software. |
| [21:38:44] | redxine: | it shouldn't even be touching alsa ctonrols |
| [21:38:46] | sphery: | because the capture card has no alsa hardware |
| [21:39:02] | sphery: | you won't see /usr/bin/v4l2-ctl -d /dev/video0 --set-ctrl=mute=0 reflected in alsamixer |
| [21:39:04] | redxine: | correct. The kernel just created an hw1 because it can |
| [21:39:14] | sphery: | but it's feeding the audio to your sound card |
| [21:39:17] | dekarl: | Yancho: If I understand correctly you get 1 mux of 5 channels with MPEG-2 video (as you didn't mention the paytv via DVB-T). Given that I'd just put mythbuntu on the box and give it a try and see if you like it. |
| [21:39:36] | sphery: | and if it's muted, your sound card gets nothing |
| [21:39:55] | redxine: | the only thing connected to the card is composite video input |
| [21:40:32] | sphery: | ah, so you have the audio from the afn connected directly to the sound card? |
| [21:40:54] | redxine: | yes |
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| [21:41:08] | redxine: | the line in on ALSA:default:CARD=CA0106 |
| [21:41:09] | sphery: | ok, so it's not the capture card/don't need to worry about v4l2-ctl |
| [21:41:16] | redxine: | Genau! |
| [21:41:32] | redxine: | (German: exactly) |
| [21:41:35] | sphery: | but I have no idea why it could be getting muted on channel change otherwise |
| [21:41:45] | redxine: | that's what baffles me! x3 |
| [21:42:08] | sphery: | have you tried hitting F9 (? I think) in mythtv (to toggle mute) and then adjusting volume up? |
| [21:42:23] | Oleg_: | still the same issue. wagnerrp, please take a look at this: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/502515 and tell me if you see any problems with the file |
| [21:42:25] | redxine: | I've done it on the remote; the volume constantly displays at 0% |
| [21:42:27] | redxine: | and mute does nothing |
| [21:43:06] | wagnerrp: | Oleg_: that file does nothing for ordering |
| [21:43:30] | wagnerrp: | and i dare say its a _really_bad_thing_ to be setting things like HOME inside it |
| [21:43:35] | sphery: | yeah, no idea what else could cause it |
| [21:43:53] | wagnerrp: | anyone in ##freebsd sees you doing that, theyll probably mock you until you leave |
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| [21:44:17] | Oleg_: | well, it's /etc/rc.conf file |
| [21:44:20] | Oleg_: | so... |
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| [21:44:53] | redxine: | is there any way to send keystrokes to mythfrontend from a script? |
| [21:45:11] | wagnerrp: | your log files say you already know how to do so |
| [21:45:12] | redxine: | My setup is full of workarounds, so this'll just be another bandage on the wound |
| [21:45:44] | redxine: | send it to mythfrontend? O.O |
| [21:46:10] | wagnerrp: | your log files say you are already using the network control socket to remotely control your frontend |
| [21:46:27] | wagnerrp: | 2011-11–03 22:07:55.986 TV: ProcessNetworkControlCommand(NETWORK_CONTROL QUERY POSITION) ignoreKeys: 0 |
| [21:46:44] | redxine: | Yes, but I just need to do it in a python script on the local machine.... |
| [21:46:55] | wagnerrp: | well what are you doing currently? |
| [21:46:59] | redxine: | I think it'd be overkill to open a socket to send two keystrokes |
| [21:47:09] | redxine: | I'm using the network control with my android phone as a remote |
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| [21:48:12] | wagnerrp: | if not opening a socket, how would you communicate with it to send commands? |
| [21:48:24] | redxine: | true... meh I'll just use netcat |
| [21:48:34] | ** redxine is to lazy to read sockets documentation for python ** | |
| [21:48:40] | redxine: | *too |
| [21:51:46] | cantoliv_: | hi, how to setup livetv to listen to tnt radio (audio broadcast). it give an error "video buffering error retry" ; of course there's no video for radio. how to seup livetv for audio broadcast. |
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| [21:55:42] | redxine: | Aaaaannnnddd Kernel panic >.< |
| [21:57:09] | cantoliv_: | backend record radio channel . and i can play it back. i would like to listen radio live too. |
| [21:57:26] | cantoliv_: | someone have an idea ... please... |
| [22:00:38] | redxine: | what hardware are you using to tune the radio? |
| [22:01:22] | redxine: | cantoliv_: is it part of a DVB-T tuner? |
| [22:02:02] | cantoliv_: | dvb-t tuner , multiplex contains tv and radio channel (belgium – rtbf) |
| [22:05:48] | redxine: | which card is it? |
| [22:05:58] | cantoliv_: | i can hear radio during 20 seconds, and then error message "video buffering error, too much retry" |
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| [22:06:21] | cantoliv_: | cynergy t stick dual |
| [22:06:24] | wagnerrp: | hes not actually tuning radio |
| [22:06:29] | wagnerrp: | hes tuning a TV channel with no video |
| [22:06:41] | wagnerrp: | mythtv doesnt do radio |
| [22:06:42] | Rakeesh: | ok I've pushed the sd xmltv file with mythfilldatabase, how do I configure a starting channel in the mythtv input sources screen? |
| [22:07:01] | redxine: | but it should work fine just sans video (black screen) |
| [22:07:15] | wagnerrp: | off and on |
| [22:07:23] | redxine: | does myth do some sort of frame detection to check for a signal? |
| [22:07:30] | wagnerrp: | someone messes with the player such that it expects video again |
| [22:07:36] | wagnerrp: | dvb radio breaks |
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| [22:07:38] | wagnerrp: | someone complains |
| [22:07:42] | wagnerrp: | someone fixes it |
| [22:07:46] | wagnerrp: | and... the cycle repeats |
| [22:07:51] | redxine: | greeaattt |
| [22:08:00] | wagnerrp: | its repeated at least half a dozen times in my recollection |
| [22:08:15] | redxine: | what revision control system do the devs use? |
| [22:08:16] | redxine: | par chance |
| [22:08:26] | wagnerrp: | previously subversion, currently git |
| [22:08:38] | redxine: | thank god x3 |
| [22:08:43] | cantoliv_: | actually i record and can play back radio . and this is ok. but not in live |
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| [22:11:14] | cantoliv_: | it send message "video buffering fails too much time" |
| [22:12:08] | redxine: | the failure is a problem with the way MythTV handles checking for a TV signal. |
| [22:12:32] | Rakeesh: | is it possible to configure a starting channel without having a grabber configured? |
| [22:12:57] | redxine: | since the radio displays a black screen over DVB, myth thinks that the signal is muted. You can search for or open a bug on the MythTV trac system. |
| [22:13:01] | Rakeesh: | I just can't get sd to work right, but I was able to download the raw xml data |
| [22:13:47] | redxine: | Rakeesh: Can't you configure a blank grabber? |
| [22:13:56] | Rakeesh: | how? |
| [22:14:06] | redxine: | it's an option in the grabber settings |
| [22:14:24] | redxine: | add a new grabber and select "No grabber" (or something like that) |
| [22:14:51] | Rakeesh: | I see that but I don't see how to select a starting channel if you do that |
| [22:15:09] | redxine: | Ah I see... |
| [22:15:44] | redxine: | perhaps you could create a xmltv file to fit your need and import it into the database. |
| [22:16:52] | redxine: | you can load it using mythfilldatabase --refresh-all --file 1 ./xmltv.xml |
| [22:17:00] | Rakeesh: | yeah I downloaded the raw xml from sd and loaded it with mythfilldatabase |
| [22:17:20] | redxine: | The channels should show up then |
| [22:17:28] | Rakeesh: | hmm...leme restart from the top |
| [22:21:15] | redxine: | Hrm. My network control channel change script workaround just makes the frontend crash. |
| [22:21:53] | cantoliv_: | Play back previously recorded and livetv use differents reading profiles..??? |
| [22:22:41] | redxine: | By default, yes they do. |
| [22:22:47] | redxine: | or rather they can |
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| [22:23:38] | cantoliv_: | thus , why is ok for play back and not for live tv. |
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| [22:24:30] | cantoliv_: | i try to custom reading profiles based on CPU++ |
| [22:28:53] | Rakeesh: | still doesn't work, I hit "fetch channel listings from this source" and the "starting channel" dropdown doesn't list anything |
| [22:29:23] | redxine: | are the dates in the xmltv file current? |
| [22:29:39] | cantoliv_: | i have to go , thanks for tips.. bye |
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| [22:30:07] | Rakeesh: | how do you tell? I just freshly downloaded it |
| [22:30:24] | redxine: | I think you can take a look in the file. |
| [22:31:00] | redxine: | cat xmltv.xml | grep start | head |
| [22:31:13] | redxine: | it'll return something like <programme start="20111021050000 +0200" stop="20111021060000 +0200" channel="I1.42843108.microsoft.com"> |
| [22:31:30] | redxine: | actually, replace that head with a tail |
| [22:32:00] | Rakeesh: | <xtvd from='2011-11–03T07:00:01Z' to='2011-11–10T07:00:01Z' |
| [22:32:05] | Rakeesh: | is that what I am looking for? |
| [22:32:15] | Rakeesh: | I'm on the 7 day sd trial |
| [22:33:17] | kormoc: | no grabber means myth is pretty useless |
| [22:33:27] | redxine: | not unless you have an external downloader |
| [22:33:32] | kormoc: | you should focus on fixing the grabber |
| [22:33:39] | Rakeesh: | I think I'll run it with vixie cron |
| [22:33:47] | Rakeesh: | well |
| [22:33:48] | redxine: | that's how I run it |
| [22:34:04] | kormoc: | We request that you don't do it that way, you might have random failures |
| [22:34:04] | Rakeesh: | I don't see any reason why not |
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| [22:34:34] | redxine: | I have a cron job check at midnight. |
| [22:35:22] | kormoc: | When you grab, we send back a requested next grab time. This time takes into account load spikes (even them out so it doesn't fail to grab) and maintenance windows. |
| [22:35:35] | kormoc: | We highly recommend you let mythbackend handle it, as it honors our requests |
| [22:35:53] | redxine: | I couldn't get mc2xml to work with it |
| [22:36:08] | Rakeesh: | well I am not going to setup a cron job yet |
| [22:36:12] | Rakeesh: | not until my trial is over anyways |
| [22:36:13] | kormoc: | Nor will you. mc2xml is illegal and thus unsupported and a banned topic to talk about in here |
| [22:36:21] | redxine: | o.o |
| [22:36:23] | Rakeesh: | whats mc2xml? |
| [22:36:29] | kormoc: | mc2xml is pure theft of service |
| [22:36:36] | Rakeesh: | of what? |
| [22:36:42] | kormoc: | guide data |
| [22:36:52] | redxine: | I couldn't find any other AFN resource. |
| [22:37:03] | Rakeesh: | they take guide data from TMS directly? |
| [22:37:09] | kormoc: | Rakeesh, yes |
| [22:37:13] | Rakeesh: | why wouldn't they close that off? |
| [22:37:15] | kormoc: | redxine, What's wrong with SD? |
| [22:37:17] | redxine: | I emailed their operatinos centre to see if they'd just publish xmltv themselves |
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| [22:37:39] | kormoc: | Rakeesh, They're working on it, but alas, it's non-trivial to not cause legit customers issues |
| [22:37:39] | redxine: | They publish it in xls |
| [22:38:19] | Rakeesh: | excel? |
| [22:38:24] | redxine: | IKNORITE!? |
| [22:38:29] | redxine: | it makes me rage. |
| [22:38:29] | Rakeesh: | hmm |
| [22:38:37] | redxine: | the HTML isn't scrapable either |
| [22:39:09] | Rakeesh: | well anywho I need to figure out how to get the channel list to show upj |
| [22:39:15] | Rakeesh: | up* |
| [22:39:16] | redxine: | I might eventually just sit down and write a script to translate it, but I doubt they'd even be able to run it |
| [22:39:17] | Oleg_: | wagnerrp, I have no clue what causes this problem. According to this command, rcorder /etc/rc.d/* /usr/local/etc/rc.d/*, webcamd was started before mythbackend was started |
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| [22:40:11] | Rakeesh: | wait I thought zap2it used to give free guide data? |
| [22:40:58] | Rakeesh: | what is the diff between that and getting it straight from TMS? |
| [22:41:04] | redxine: | That's where AFN lists theirs |
| [22:41:12] | redxine: | I couldn't get xmltv out of it I thouhgt |
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| [22:41:38] | redxine: | I don't see anything on schedules direct that mentions AFN either |
| [22:42:03] | kormoc: | Rakeesh, zap2it *is* tms |
| [22:42:49] | kormoc: | Rakeesh, they dropped the service after it was being abused by commercial companies. They still want to work with us (the FLOSS community) which is why they work with us directly via Schedules Direct |
| [22:43:40] | kormoc: | redxine, You should ask in the forum about AFN information. I don't know if there's any specific reason why we wouldn't have it, but that's the best way to find out |
| [22:43:56] | redxine: | Okay |
| [22:45:54] | Rakeesh: | well meanwhile should it be possible for me to select a starting channel with manually loading the xml file? |
| [22:46:11] | dekarl: | redxine if you want to convert xls to xmltv you might just take a look at nonametv... that's how us europeans convert xls to xmltv |
| [22:46:25] | sphery: | redxine: IIRC, there's a special zip code to use for AFN |
| [22:46:29] | sphery: | in Schedules Direct |
| [22:46:34] | redxine: | I just saw that |
| [22:46:45] | sphery: | cool--I didn't read all fo scrollback |
| [22:46:52] | sphery: | wasn't sure what you'd found |
| [22:47:09] | redxine: | it would be nice if AFN would just provide an xmltv file on their website like their xls though |
| [22:47:20] | sphery: | yeah, would be nice |
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| [22:47:50] | redxine: | I'm wondering how it would handle the timezone though... I guess if it's working right now it should be fine though |
| [22:48:16] | sphery: | or at least a text-format file that can be read by a computer and reformatted to xmltv |
| [22:48:45] | sphery: | (rather than an office automation product's internal format data) |
| [22:49:32] | sphery: | though you might be able to work a an approach for doing so with some scripting and/or openoffice.org/libreoffice |
| [22:50:18] | redxine: | I think I'll have to write my own script |
| [22:50:23] | sphery: | Rakeesh: you need to use the raw schedules direct data and use mythfilldatabase at the command line to load your channels |
| [22:50:29] | redxine: | I'm pretty sure there's extensions for reading xls in python |
| [22:52:57] | sphery: | Rakeesh: using --do-channel-updates --only-update-channels along with --dd-file |
| [22:53:05] | sphery: | (and the arguments --dd-file requires) |
| [22:53:47] | sphery: | redxine: if you do create a script, feel free to upload it to the wiki and put it in the Scripts category (or appropriate subcategory) http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Scripts |
| [22:53:59] | dekarl: | question, what's the license of the AFN guide data? Is it public domain because it's published by "the government"? |
| [22:54:17] | redxine: | I'm going to search for that lol |
| [22:54:21] | redxine: | afneurope.net |
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| [22:54:46] | redxine: | their broadcast centre is in California |
| [22:54:54] | sphery: | fwiw, though, I'd guess that Schedules Direct will provide much better/more-consistent info on the shows they air |
| [22:55:07] | dekarl: | if they have an ok license I can add it to my feed so you can get it with the shared nonametv grabber |
| [22:55:33] | sphery: | since TMS actually pays people to take data from stations/networks (often in Excel format or similar) and rework it and link it up with things like TMS program identifiers and such |
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| [22:55:58] | redxine: | well a script might make it easier for them to do so ^.^ |
| [22:56:06] | sphery: | so the Schedules Direct version would actually give the (very nice) TMS copyrighted descriptions versus whatever the station provided |
| [22:56:09] | sphery: | and such |
| [22:56:11] | redxine: | ewwww asx |
| [22:56:21] | Rakeesh: | sphery: something like: mythfilldatabase --do-channel-updates --only-update-channels --dd-file schedules_direct_raw_data.xml |
| [22:56:24] | Rakeesh: | ? |
| [22:56:28] | sphery: | but, yeah, if the data is good enough for your purposes, a script is a good thing |
| [22:56:31] | redxine: | http://myafn.dodmedia.osd.mil/ScheduleChart.aspx |
| [22:56:40] | dekarl: | xls |
| [22:56:42] | redxine: | there's a link to xls somewhere.... |
| [22:56:53] | sphery: | Rakeesh: I think you'll still have to specify sourceid (probably -1 for offset) and lineupid, too |
| [22:56:58] | redxine: | ooh there's a non flash site... |
| [22:57:06] | redxine: | Here we are http://myafn.dodmedia.osd.mil/508/ |
| [22:57:11] | dekarl: | I'll try this http://myafn.dodmedia.osd.mil/508/ScheduleList.aspx |
| [22:57:13] | sphery: | lineupid is the ID from Schedules Direct website... should be able to find it if you look closely at the Schedules Direct pages |
| [22:57:13] | dekarl: | oh |
| [22:57:14] | Rakeesh: | how do I find the lineup id? |
| [22:57:16] | redxine: | an rss feed ^.^ |
| [22:57:24] | dekarl: | try it :) |
| [22:57:25] | sphery: | not sure, though... |
| [22:57:36] | dekarl: | I get an 404 on the rss link |
| [22:57:37] | redxine: | That.... doesn't work x.x |
| [22:57:38] | redxine: | yeah |
| [22:57:43] | redxine: | HEH. IIS. |
| [22:57:59] | sphery: | it is possible that the code for adding new channels will only work by connecting to the Schedules Direct site |
| [22:58:02] | redxine: | well that just ruined my day |
| [22:58:05] | sphery: | i've never tried it "offline" |
| [22:59:41] | sphery: | Rakeesh: but, in general, Fetch channels button just calls mythfilldatabase with the --do-channel-updates --only-update-channels args |
| [22:59:52] | sphery: | so if there's a way to do it, it's that |
| [23:00:12] | redxine: | they have it in somewhat consistent html here: http://myafn.dodmedia.osd.mil/508/ScheduleList.aspx |
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| [23:00:45] | Rakeesh: | sphery: I did cat schedules_direct_raw_data.xml | grep lineup | head and see: <lineup id='AZ02490:X' do I use all of that including the :X? |
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| [23:00:58] | sphery: | if they allow "scraping" the web site, you could create an xmltv grabber for it |
| [23:01:33] | sphery: | though it seems that a conversion of the XLS file would be a lot less strain on their servers than tons of users hitting tons of pages every day to scrape the html |
| [23:01:37] | noisymouse: | how can I get info on what tuner the channel I'm viewing is on and whether it's HD or SD? |
| [23:02:30] | redxine: | if they host the xmltv file then it could just be scraped once and mirrored. |
| [23:02:36] | sphery: | Rakeesh: not sure... try it (and use the other way if it fails) |
| [23:03:01] | Rakeesh: | says I need a source id |
| [23:03:10] | sphery: | noisymouse: backend status page tells you which tuner you're using ( http://backendhostoripaddress:6544/ ) |
| [23:03:21] | sphery: | yeah, definitely need source ID |
| [23:03:31] | sphery: | that's the Video Source ID in the mythtv config |
| [23:03:32] | Rakeesh: | how do I determine that? |
| [23:03:43] | sphery: | so, if you defined one video source since you created the database, it's 1 |
| [23:03:54] | sphery: | if you then deleted that video source and defined a new one, it's 2 |
| [23:03:56] | sphery: | and so on |
| [23:04:05] | sphery: | likely it's 1 |
| [23:04:43] | Rakeesh: | I deleted and recreated it several times trying to figure out why the channels wouldn't show up |
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| [23:04:58] | sphery: | which approach for deleting it |
| [23:05:07] | sphery: | if you did "Delete all video sources", it resets to 1 |
| [23:05:12] | Rakeesh: | mythtv-setup delete all video sources |
| [23:05:15] | Rakeesh: | k |
| [23:05:18] | sphery: | if you just delete, then it doesn't reset |
| [23:05:28] | sphery: | and, good--delete all video sources is the cleanest way |
| [23:06:24] | dekarl: | redxine: they host .xls and .xlsx, I have one success story of a nonametv site importing xlsx. the framework handles most of the work. See here for an example how our xls importers look like https://github.com/dekarl/nonametv/blob/maste . . . de_Europe.pm |
| [23:06:40] | noisymouse: | sphery: thanks |
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| [23:07:41] | sphery: | noisymouse: also, as far as whether it's SDTV or HDTV, easiest approach is to run something like ffmpeg -i /path/to/recordingfile.mpg or mplayer -identify on it |
| [23:09:05] | noisymouse: | ok, yeah, I've noticed that the frontend will say 1080p or whatever momentarily, but if it tunes quickly it can be hard to catch |
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| [23:16:17] | Rakeesh: | does mythbackend run the master server? |
| [23:18:29] | sphery: | mythbackend is the master server |
| [23:18:36] | sphery: | (at least when run on the master backend host) |
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| [23:24:37] | Rakeesh: | hmm still can't get the channels to show up |
| [23:28:34] | redxine: | I can't get my work around to work in my channel-change script because mythtv waits for the script to exit before it starts recording TV again..... |
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| [23:31:21] | sphery: | you can have your channel change script spawn another "workaround" script in the background (i.e. "do_workaround.sh &" ) and then exit with a zero (success) exit status |
| [23:31:35] | sphery: | have the worarkoudn script sleep for a couple seconds, then do whateve |
| [23:32:13] | sphery: | you're using this to unmute the frontend or something? |
| [23:33:25] | redxine: | will that work? |
| [23:33:41] | sphery: | which one? the script idea will |
| [23:33:44] | redxine: | I'm using it to go to the menu then return to LiveTV |
| [23:33:51] | redxine: | It's a python script |
| [23:34:00] | sphery: | the unmuting was a guess about what your workaround was |
| [23:34:01] | sphery: | ohhh |
| [23:34:04] | redxine: | *sigh* will I need to have a bash one to fork it in the background? |
| [23:34:14] | redxine: | and will forking work in this case? |
| [23:34:38] | sphery: | you just need to trigger a different process so that the channel change script that mythtv called can exit |
| [23:34:47] | redxine: | hrm... okay |
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| [23:36:04] | sphery: | you could just have mythtv call a shell script for channel change... it calls: change_channel.py $1 ; status=$? ; do_workaround.sh & ; exit $status |
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| [23:36:16] | sphery: | or something |
| [23:36:30] | redxine: | I'm going to try that |
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| [23:36:59] | redxine: | I noticed the output of the script shows up all at once in the log, meaning it's waiting for it to exit before starting playback on the frontend |
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| [23:48:58] | wagnerrp: | Oleg_: it is entirely possible to simply takes some amount of time after webcamd forks off before it is ready for use |
| [23:49:27] | wagnerrp: | perhaps you can put a wait loop inside the mythbackend rc script that waits for the proper devices to show up |
| [23:49:55] | Oleg_: | yeah |
| [23:50:04] | redxine: | YAY! Changing channels takes 26 seconds but it works! xD |
| [23:50:23] | wagnerrp: | sphery: actually, you should be able to use _any_ zip code for AFN |
| [23:50:39] | wagnerrp: | at least when i search for local providers, i see AFN feeds available |
| [23:51:18] | redxine: | .... except the script never exits for some reason o.o it just loops |
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| [23:53:14] | wagnerrp: | redxine: you know, you can spawn background processes in python, you dont have to use the bash job system |
| [23:53:36] | redxine: | yes but & sounds easier than messing with modules |
| [23:53:51] | redxine: | I just have to have the script kill itself at the end... |
| [23:53:53] | wagnerrp: | os and sys are the only two you nee |
| [23:53:54] | wagnerrp: | d |
| [23:54:26] | wagnerrp: | os.fork(), os.setsid(), sys.stdin.close(), sys.stdout.close(), sys.stderr.close() |
| [23:54:50] | redxine: | I don't think the script can exit with forks running though, can it? |
| [23:55:18] | wagnerrp: | you fork, close your std pipes, setsid to spawn a new session, and fork a second time |
| [23:55:25] | sphery: | wagnerrp: ahh, cool |
| [23:55:44] | sphery: | maybe it was "use a fake zip code for people who aren't in the US" thing? |
| [23:55:45] | redxine: | so much forking x.x |
| [23:55:57] | redxine: | *tries to stabs myself with a spoon* |
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| [23:57:31] | Oleg_: | I don't know how to create a wait loop that waits for /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 and etc. to show up |
| [23:58:34] | wagnerrp: | while true; do { if [ -f /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 ]; break; } |
| [23:59:00] | wagnerrp: | i doubt thats the right syntax, but its close |
| [23:59:20] | Oleg_: | well, I'll write that script after 9 p.m. 'cause now I'll start watching "Vampire Diaries" :) |
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