| Wednesday, November 2nd, 2011, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:07] | Beirdo: | swiss bank account number and PIN? :) |
| [00:00:16] | kisak: | I'm running on gentoo 64bit with the 0.25 build from 20111024 |
| [00:00:59] | Beirdo: | sweet. Yah, I should have thought to ask that one :) |
| [00:01:17] | kisak: | and I'm waiting on one of those 8 core AMD proc to arrive in the mail for my new desktop build |
| [00:01:29] | wagnerrp: | AMD makes 8-core processors? |
| [00:01:33] | Beirdo: | the approximate age is a good thing to know. I'd hate to try to debug a 0.24-fixes bug in master just to find out the bug was fixed :) |
| [00:02:22] | kisak: | there's no way I would go directly to a dev for anything less than bleeding edge |
| [00:03:05] | kisak: | wagnerrp: AMD makes 12 core G34 server processors too |
| [00:03:10] | Beirdo: | heh. That bug's been around forever though, so I'm sure it's still around even though that code did get rehashed to rid it of Qt3 structures |
| [00:03:25] | wagnerrp: | kisak: thats two 6-core processors on a single module |
| [00:06:37] | wagnerrp: | kisak: i mean... what chip? as far as i know, AMD doesnt make anything larger than 6-core |
| [00:07:04] | kisak: | AMD FX-8150 "Bulldozer" |
| [00:07:30] | wagnerrp: | that has four modules, not eight cores |
| [00:07:36] | kisak: | 3.6GHz with 4 core boosting to 4.2GHz |
| [00:09:17] | kisak: | this isn't the place to discuss this, so I'm cutting it off ... and regardless of what it is, it's better than my socket 939 Athlon 64 X2 4200+ |
| [00:09:41] | wagnerrp: | well ill absolutely agree with that (better than the old 939 chip) |
| [00:10:00] | wagnerrp: | im just wondering what youre intending to use it for |
| [00:10:22] | wagnerrp: | since it has good integer performance, but lesser floating point performance |
| [00:11:03] | kisak: | well, I'm going to look into xen with iommu and having 2 OSes running independently |
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| [00:11:29] | wagnerrp: | if youre using it as a server test bed, it should work great |
| [00:11:42] | wagnerrp: | if youre using it for things like mythtv playback, commflagging, and transcoding |
| [00:11:50] | wagnerrp: | the previous generation 6-core would have worked better |
| [00:12:18] | kisak: | commflagging and transcoding are on my server |
| [00:12:55] | kisak: | it's a tri-core oddball |
| [00:13:12] | kisak: | in a bad case |
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| [00:54:27] | tomgra: | hello can someone point me in the right direction of getting a hauppauge 250 installed on mythbuntu. I have followed several site, but it seems I am doing something wrong. What do I need to do to get this card installed? |
| [00:54:47] | tomgra: | sorry a hauppauge 2250 |
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| [01:16:56] | danomac: | hi all. I'm trying to get icons in the EPG. The manual says there's a `mkiconmap.pl` in the contrib/ directory, but it isn't there... |
| [01:17:37] | danomac: | i've downloaded the source tarball from mythtv.org and it doesn't appear there either... was the directions/procedure changed for getting icons? |
| [01:29:11] | kormoc: | danomac, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Channel_icons |
| [01:36:16] | danomac: | well, what do you know... |
| [01:36:30] | danomac: | perhaps the manual should be changed to refer to that |
| [01:36:34] | danomac: | thanks! |
| [01:38:39] | ** kormoc tips his hat ** | |
| [01:44:01] | danomac: | hah, i just looked, apparently there is no icons |
| [01:44:08] | danomac: | i guess that's what i get for being in canada lol |
| [01:44:12] | danomac: | there are* |
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| [01:48:25] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: Up for a tiny bit of SQL troubleshooting? |
| [01:48:44] | iamlindoro: | I'm seeing a bug in the new Services API and I'm 90% certain it's in the query |
| [01:48:45] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, sure, what's up? |
| [01:49:10] | iamlindoro: | OK, so the API gets the program guide. You provide a start chanid, a number of channels to get, and a starttime and endtime |
| [01:49:28] | iamlindoro: | it takes the results and serializes them into JSON/SOAP/XML depending on what is requested |
| [01:50:21] | iamlindoro: | So in *some* cases, where two sources have the same channel, let's say chanid 1702 and 2702, the returns come back with part of the programs in one chanid, and part in the other |
| [01:50:36] | iamlindoro: | rather than the full programming being present in both |
| [01:50:52] | ** kormoc nods ** | |
| [01:51:08] | iamlindoro: | But the returns for both are always unique... say you request two hours... you'll get one hour on one chanid, and the other on the other |
| [01:51:21] | iamlindoro: | or 90 minutes/30 minutes, etc. |
| [01:51:27] | iamlindoro: | sorry it takes so much explaining :) |
| [01:51:28] | ** kormoc nods ** | |
| [01:51:38] | iamlindoro: | ok, let me pastebin all the queries |
| [01:51:39] | kormoc: | Tis okay, sounds like a fun problem :) |
| [01:53:17] | iamlindoro: | http://pastebin.com/j8Kp7Dwj |
| [01:53:19] | iamlindoro: | Queries above |
| [01:53:29] | iamlindoro: | my instinct says the problem is in the last bit |
| [01:53:53] | iamlindoro: | as the middle bit is run by the guide in the actual FE and we don't see this problem |
| [01:54:03] | iamlindoro: | bindings are self-explanatory |
| [01:54:24] | kormoc: | it's the channel.callsign group by |
| [01:55:06] | iamlindoro: | ah, so in the instances with overlap, there are differing callsigns and chame channelnum? |
| [01:55:11] | iamlindoro: | er same |
| [01:55:22] | kormoc: | Aye, I believe so |
| [01:55:51] | iamlindoro: | hmm... any suggestions on a more foolproof grouping? |
| [01:56:09] | iamlindoro: | or at least a way to make sure where they're non-unique, you'll still get full returns? |
| [01:58:22] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [02:00:19] | kormoc: | What about group by channel.callsign, channum? |
| [02:01:30] | iamlindoro: | GROUP BY program.starttime, channel.callsign, channum, program.title? or....? |
| [02:02:27] | kormoc: | Actually, channel.callsign, channum, start time, title might be best |
| [02:02:41] | iamlindoro: | so more or less change the order |
| [02:03:04] | iamlindoro: | or change the syntax also? (ie, do I leave the table prefixes?) |
| [02:03:10] | kormoc: | just the order |
| [02:03:38] | kormoc: | basically I believe we want to squash the call sign first, then check to see if it's the same channel number, then the time, then the title |
| [02:04:27] | iamlindoro: | let's find out ;) |
| [02:04:34] | iamlindoro: | thank you for the help |
| [02:04:38] | kormoc: | g'luck! |
| [02:05:04] | iamlindoro: | I'll let you know in a sec ;) |
| [02:06:17] | iamlindoro: | bah, or maybe I won't, damn my properly incrementing library versions |
| [02:06:36] | ** iamlindoro settles down and waits for a distclean + make ** | |
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| [02:07:22] | darkstarbyte: | What is "http://webservices.schedulesdirect.tmsdatadir . . . rvice"? |
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| [02:10:36] | kormoc: | darkstarbyte, what do you mean? |
| [02:10:53] | darkstarbyte: | I am getting an error related to that. |
| [02:11:02] | darkstarbyte: | I will give it to you in a pastebin |
| [02:11:19] | ** iamlindoro puts a shiny nickel on "404 unauthorized" ** | |
| [02:11:26] | iamlindoro: | or 40-whatever |
| [02:11:44] | darkstarbyte: | 401 |
| [02:11:56] | iamlindoro: | So that's not an error |
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| [02:12:10] | iamlindoro: | that's HTTP auth in action |
| [02:12:14] | kormoc: | Yeah, that's normal |
| [02:12:23] | darkstarbyte: | http://pastebin.com/DKNQWmPQ |
| [02:12:30] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, to be fair, we don't /have/ to have it work that way |
| [02:13:02] | kormoc: | darkstarbyte, is your SD account still valid? |
| [02:13:10] | darkstarbyte: | SD? |
| [02:13:21] | kormoc: | Schedules Direct |
| [02:13:32] | darkstarbyte: | Is it a paid service? |
| [02:13:41] | kormoc: | It is |
| [02:13:49] | darkstarbyte: | No. |
| [02:14:06] | kormoc: | http://www.schedulesdirect.org/membershiplevels |
| [02:14:07] | darkstarbyte: | I am just trying to get some broad casts over the error |
| [02:14:19] | darkstarbyte: | I mean air |
| [02:14:27] | kormoc: | you need to change your listing source then |
| [02:14:34] | kormoc: | EIT I believe would be the one you want to use |
| [02:14:58] | darkstarbyte: | If I had cable I would pay for something like that. |
| [02:16:10] | darkstarbyte: | In the setup, what would that be under? |
| [02:17:15] | kormoc: | darkstarbyte, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/EIT |
| [02:17:26] | darkstarbyte: | thanks |
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| [02:24:23] | darkstarbyte: | bye |
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| [02:30:52] | smoothifier: | i have a fresh install of mythtv and i'm having trouble with livetv. i ran mythfilldatabase. i think it's with the sound and the video but i'm not sure what to fix. http://pastebin.com/yCNkgwet |
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| [02:37:49] | smoothifier: | brb |
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| [03:09:22] | Beirdo: | I think I'm missing a use of the avcodeclock still |
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| [03:29:29] | biffhero: | added hdhome run tuners tonight. woot! |
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| [03:32:19] | biffhero: | back to back NCIS means I can't re-run mythtv-setup, but it looks like editing the videosource table worked out just fine. |
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| [04:25:54] | kisak: | well that's interesting |
| [04:26:27] | kisak: | looks like I've got a hung mythutil --gencutlist process hanging out |
| [04:26:49] | wagnerrp: | gencutlist should return almost instantly |
| [04:26:56] | wagnerrp: | it just performs a simple sql query |
| [04:27:36] | kisak: | indeed, should be invulnerable to ever hanging for the size of the function it's performing |
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| [04:29:51] | kisak: | went through on the command line as it was seen in htop |
| [04:30:30] | kisak: | I guess I mark that down to cosmic radiation |
| [04:37:44] | wagnerrp: | hahaha..... |
| [04:38:54] | wagnerrp: | the New York Supreme Court ruled in favor of Stambovsky v. Ackley, in that they were in the right to recover down payment on a house purchase after discovering the house was haunted |
| [04:40:46] | wagnerrp: | seems a history of ghost sightings is required to be disclosed prior to purchase |
| [04:40:58] | [R]: | interesting |
| [04:41:00] | wagnerrp: | in other words... if all the locals are idoits, you want to know not to buy a home in that area |
| [04:41:04] | [R]: | in arizona you dont have to disclose deaths |
| [04:42:01] | wagnerrp: | i dont get it |
| [04:42:15] | wagnerrp: | Gibbs drinks Makers, but he strips the wax off the top of the bottle |
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| [04:45:04] | wagnerrp: | http://www.wagnerrp.com/files/gibbsmakers.jpg |
| [04:45:29] | wagnerrp: | usually has a big glob of red wax on the top |
| [04:45:35] | wagnerrp: | youre not supposed to see that screw on cap |
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| [04:52:46] | biffhero: | in California you have to disclose deaths. |
| [04:54:52] | [R]: | interesting |
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| [05:00:51] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp: what player is that? |
| [05:00:58] | wagnerrp: | zoomplayer |
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| [05:06:02] | kisak: | well, the patch doesn't automagically line up, I'll have another go at it in the morning |
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| [05:13:25] | nhr: | hi trying to install mythtv with wintv hvr 1600 on ubuntu 11.10 |
| [05:14:12] | nhr: | Ran mythsetup command – not sure what I should be selecting in various dialogs for the card. Channel scan is always disabled |
| [05:15:15] | wagnerrp: | what type of service are you trying to record? |
| [05:15:39] | nhr: | comcast cable – antenna i connected to atsc input |
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| [05:16:23] | wagnerrp: | cable... digital cable? |
| [05:16:29] | nhr: | digital |
| [05:17:25] | wagnerrp: | the HVR-1600 has two inputs, one for analog and one for digital |
| [05:17:43] | wagnerrp: | if you have the digital input connected to an antenna, that leaves the analog connected to your comcast cable line |
| [05:17:49] | wagnerrp: | and comcast no longer offers analog cable |
| [05:18:30] | nhr: | I dont have antena – I have connected comcast to atsc input on the card. |
| [05:18:56] | nhr: | What should I select when I say new capture card? It shows many options, but not sure which one I need to select for this one |
| [05:18:59] | wagnerrp: | "antenna i connected to atsc input" |
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| [05:20:53] | wagnerrp: | if you dont have an antenna, and you only intend to record from comcast |
| [05:21:00] | wagnerrp: | your digital tuner will only handle unencrypted content |
| [05:21:11] | wagnerrp: | meaning you are only likely to get the local broadcast channels |
| [05:21:20] | nhr: | thats fine – thats what I want to do |
| [05:21:39] | wagnerrp: | so add it as a 'DVB DTV 3.x....' tuner card |
| [05:21:56] | nhr: | ok |
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| [05:23:38] | nhr: | Selected that, but when I go to channel editor, can not select channel scan |
| [05:23:48] | nhr: | Am I supposed to scan first? |
| [05:24:36] | wagnerrp: | you must follow through each step in order |
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| [05:24:42] | wagnerrp: | chances are you skipped 3 and 4 |
| [05:24:50] | wagnerrp: | where you create a video source, and map it to your tuner input |
| [05:26:01] | nhr: | ya, I think I did – first screen asked me for some login info so I skipped it. Now trying EIT option on screen 3 |
| [05:26:47] | wagnerrp: | you cant use EIT, as that will not be rebroadcast by comcast |
| [05:26:59] | wagnerrp: | you can enable it, but you wont get any data |
| [05:27:38] | nhr: | So I need to create login at schedulesdirect.org? |
| [05:28:05] | wagnerrp: | mythtv needs guide data to know what to record |
| [05:28:12] | wagnerrp: | and on cable, that means schedules direct |
| [05:29:00] | wagnerrp: | even on broadcast, youre lucky to get more than a day, and even luckier if that day is actually worthwhile information |
| [05:29:01] | nhr: | ok, sorry to be so dumb, completely new to this |
| [05:33:11] | Beirdo: | Arrrrrrrgh! |
| [05:33:23] | Beirdo: | I can't get this stupid thing to stop crashing :) |
| [05:33:34] | [R]: | Beirdo: whisper sweet nothings to it |
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| [05:33:54] | Beirdo: | kick it repeatedly in the nads, more like it |
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| [06:23:26] | wagnerrp: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7TK_8RiVj8 |
| [06:24:37] | Beirdo: | gonna slap this code again. |
| [06:25:18] | [R]: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9Q2wQ0vxwk |
| [06:25:40] | wagnerrp: | is that a sword? |
| [06:25:52] | wagnerrp: | this cant end well... |
| [06:26:42] | wagnerrp: | boooo! |
| [06:28:00] | [R]: | i dont get it |
| [06:28:24] | wagnerrp: | the kid, or the dog, or something was going to get too close and get an appendage lopped off |
| [06:28:28] | wagnerrp: | but it never happened |
| [06:28:40] | wagnerrp: | and WTF is he doing with a butterfly knife |
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| [06:48:30] | Beirdo: | OK, I have a idea |
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| [08:27:30] | veehexx: | morning all, anyone know how to work out what is causing a DVB Frontend to always be inuse? mythbuntu the only thing thats working, and when mythbackend runs, it says my 2nd tuner is already busy/inuse |
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| [08:30:05] | justinh: | mythbackend generally takes up all the tuners you've defined in mythtv-setup |
| [08:30:33] | justinh: | show us the backend log in a pastebin |
| [08:32:03] | MrPaco: | hmm |
| [08:32:25] | MrPaco: | just update from 11.04 to 11.10 and now i have a perfect black screen with the infamous "battery cheking" |
| [08:32:27] | MrPaco: | ... |
| [08:32:35] | justinh: | that'll teach you to update |
| [08:32:52] | MrPaco: | i know |
| [08:33:20] | MrPaco: | i`m reading this message and is famous because a lot of people got it alot of time |
| [08:33:39] | justinh: | as for the "battery cheking" thing.. I've never heard of it, so it's not that infamous :P |
| [08:33:59] | justinh: | but then I've never upgraded an ubuntu system on a whim either |
| [08:34:03] | justinh: | :-P |
| [08:36:11] | justinh: | first thing I usually do is turn that damn annoying update notification thing off |
| [08:36:27] | justinh: | then disable the sound scheme |
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| [08:37:01] | MrPaco: | ok |
| [08:38:36] | MrPaco: | i need to connect to my wifi via term |
| [08:38:46] | MrPaco: | is: iwconfig essid keys:blabla? |
| [08:38:53] | MrPaco: | i dont remember the exact command |
| [08:39:12] | justinh: | no idea. |
| [08:39:18] | veehexx: | justinh – http://pastebin.com/2dQiECtW |
| [08:39:39] | veehexx: | in the past i know this can be triggered by having the service and manaul 'mythbackend' being ran. |
| [08:39:49] | justinh: | manaul? |
| [08:39:53] | veehexx: | however, i am 100% sure service is stopped, |
| [08:40:06] | Beirdo: | Hmmm |
| [08:40:06] | veehexx: | manual = stop service, and run 'mythbackend' |
| [08:40:23] | Beirdo: | ==00:00:04:06.734 27788== Address 0x1e08d13f is 4,607 bytes inside a block of s |
| [08:40:26] | Beirdo: | ize 12,304 free'd |
| [08:40:42] | Beirdo: | that's probably my problem... Thanks, valgrind... |
| [08:40:51] | justinh: | veehexx: there's more than enough in that log to keep you busy for a while |
| [08:40:54] | Beirdo: | only took about 1h to run |
| [08:41:25] | justinh: | "Perhaps you have forgotten to bind video sources to your card's inputs?" |
| [08:41:38] | veehexx: | ah, that could be it... |
| [08:41:40] | justinh: | if mythtv has ever worked, your database is fried |
| [08:41:56] | veehexx: | my problem is that input1 on the card isnt working (input0 is fine) |
| [08:41:59] | justinh: | see also "TVRec(4) Error: Problem finding starting channel, setting to default of '3'." |
| [08:42:23] | veehexx: | right now input1 is added as a card, but no sources defined on it. |
| [08:42:34] | justinh: | why? if you want it to work... |
| [08:42:52] | veehexx: | it doesnt seem to work anymore, even with a source set. |
| [08:43:14] | veehexx: | i think the card is dead, but that 'card inuse/busy' i thought was weird. |
| [08:43:53] | veehexx: | based of what your saying, that is expected behavour for a card that has no source set. |
| [08:44:13] | veehexx: | ...and i thought i got that TVRec(4) error sorted... humm... |
| [08:45:31] | justinh: | you can only be certain mythbackend is stopped by using ps |
| [08:45:59] | justinh: | and use lsof if you suspect something might be using the dvb device |
| [08:46:04] | justinh: | sudo lsof |grep dvb :-) |
| [08:47:58] | veehexx: | oh, thats a useful one. |
| [08:48:04] | justinh: | you need the sudo |
| [08:48:34] | veehexx: | still looking like card is fried. fixed the errors in the mythbackend log – you are correct – dvb card is added, but does not have a source defined. |
| [08:48:45] | veehexx: | that accounts for all 3 of those errors. |
| [08:48:48] | justinh: | stop mythbackend |
| [08:49:01] | justinh: | try both card sections in other programs |
| [08:49:47] | veehexx: | already done. input1 has issues. it refuses to get a lock. |
| [08:50:17] | justinh: | so give up already then. get a new card or just continue to use the part that still works |
| [08:50:45] | justinh: | or, it could be something as simple as needing to enable the low noise amp on the card |
| [08:51:03] | justinh: | because some card models with one input split the signal & need the LNA enabled |
| [08:52:05] | veehexx: | unlikely. it did work fine. this card has 2 physical connections. i'm just making 100% sure i havent overlooked something in software, before i RMA it. |
| [08:54:29] | Beirdo: | OMG |
| [08:54:50] | Beirdo: | nothing a little av_dup_packet() couldn't clear up, it seems |
| [08:56:41] | justinh: | veehexx: same aerial connection from the working side doesn't work in the other? |
| [08:57:02] | justinh: | I had massive problems with coax cables in my first multituner setup |
| [08:57:20] | veehexx: | tried that – issues stay on input1, so it definately appears to be the card. |
| [08:57:45] | justinh: | even home-made ones gave me issues – meaning I had to source some decent plugs – tricky in this day & age. Stupid solderless Belling-Lee plugs |
| [08:57:55] | justinh: | time to make an RMA then |
| [08:58:37] | veehexx: | i hope i can RMA with reseller, and not with them directly. |
| [08:58:51] | veehexx: | might be the difference between next-day and a few weeks :S |
| [08:59:09] | veehexx: | *them = manufacturer |
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| [09:10:18] | Beirdo: | 2011-11–02 02:08:41.057482 I audioMarks: 9455, videoMarks: 0 |
| [09:10:51] | veehexx: | good for radio, eh Beirdo? |
| [09:10:52] | Beirdo: | wow. that's marking anything over +6dB above average RMS, or -12dB below average RMS (32ms windows) |
| [09:11:23] | Beirdo: | I haven't implemented any video processing routines in here yet :) |
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| [09:16:36] | Beirdo: | I'll work on adding the GPU version of that algorithm soon too, and I can compare speeds :) |
| [09:17:58] | Beirdo: | anyways... 2am. bedtime |
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| [13:28:14] | smoothifier: | Is Setup-General the only place to configure the sound? my log says that I'm set to ALSA:default but I'm set to ALSA:front in Setup-General. http://pastebin.com/K3KKkEcJ — I don't think that explains the lack of video I'm getting in Live TV :( |
| [13:54:50] | justinh: | smoothifier: audio devices are configured in mythfrontend and in mythtv-setup (for backend audio capture) |
| [14:06:13] | ** wagnerrp has egg all over his face ** | |
| [14:07:28] | wagnerrp: | ticket #10122 has a bad version string, generated improperly by whatever build script the user installed from |
| [14:07:30] | laga: | waxhead: http://myfacewhen.com/i/451.jpg ? |
| [14:07:41] | wagnerrp: | so i questioned where he got it from |
| [14:07:43] | laga: | err, wagnerrp http://myfacewhen.com/i/451.jpg |
| [14:08:05] | wagnerrp: | turns out hes using gentoo, and it was generated improperly by _my_ build script |
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| [14:25:13] | qwebirc11912: | I'm having a problem with my mythfrontend.log file filling up with ProgramInfo, Error: GetPlaybackURL...should be local but it cannot be found ....I think it has something do to with being on the watch recording screen and a show being transcoded with the original mpg being removed....if I back up a screen and go back in to watch recordings the error messages stop....any ideas? Or is this a bug? |
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| [14:36:42] | sphery: | qwebirc11912: If you're using built-in transcode, the original recording isn't removed until the transcode completes. If you're using a custom script, change it to do the same. |
| [14:36:58] | sphery: | qwebirc11912: see, also, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Find_orphans.py and use it to fix any problems |
| [14:37:56] | qwebirc11912: | I'm using the built in transcode....if I go and check the file the mpg version of it is gone but the nuv verison is there |
| [14:38:13] | qwebirc11912: | the error message is complaining about the mpg file |
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| [14:43:20] | biffhero: | Wagner: thanks for writing find_orphans.py |
| [14:47:44] | wagnerrp: | sphery: you see this Calxeda stuff? |
| [14:47:48] | smoothifier: | i'm not getting any video at all but i'm able to capture /dev/video0 and play it on mplayer without a hitch. i'm getting an error that says NVR(/dev/video0): Won't work with the streaming interface, falling back VIDIOCGCAP:: Invalid argument 2011-11–02 10:09:45.370 NVR(/dev/video0) Error: Failed to query vbi capabilities (v4l1) I'm not sure what i've done wrong. mythfilldatabase has run. i don't see anything. |
| [14:48:25] | smoothifier: | in the past i have seen video but no audio. i'm just getting a blank screen and then a kick back to the menu. |
| [14:48:41] | smoothifier: | the past being past installations :) |
| [14:48:43] | wagnerrp: | smoothifier: if you are using a modern kernel (2.6.37 or newer), the V4L1 methods have been removed and cannot be used |
| [14:48:57] | wagnerrp: | mythtv will attempt to use both V4L1 and V4L2 methods |
| [14:49:13] | wagnerrp: | so such warnings are not really important |
| [14:49:24] | wagnerrp: | can we see your full backend logs? |
| [14:49:38] | smoothifier: | yes certainly |
| [14:49:52] | smoothifier: | http://pastebin.com/K3KKkEcJ |
| [14:50:09] | smoothifier: | that is the error section |
| [14:50:20] | smoothifier: | should i post the entirety on pastebin? |
| [14:52:47] | wagnerrp: | what tuner card do you have? |
| [14:53:37] | sphery: | wagnerrp: hehe, hadn't seen anything on it |
| [14:54:26] | smoothifier: | i have a hauppage pvr-250 |
| [14:54:30] | wagnerrp: | its that seamicro box... but done correctly |
| [14:54:35] | wagnerrp: | smoothifier: then you screwed up |
| [14:54:36] | sphery: | also, doesn't export just make the environment variable available to the current shell and any subshells (versus current shell only) |
| [14:54:41] | wagnerrp: | you have it configured as a V4L recorder |
| [14:54:45] | smoothifier: | that is likely |
| [14:54:50] | wagnerrp: | when you should have it configured as an MPEG recorder |
| [14:54:56] | smoothifier: | oh damn was i that dumb? |
| [14:55:00] | smoothifier: | ok i'll be back |
| [14:55:10] | sphery: | smoothifier: and if you don't have the option, you need to upgrade to a version of MythTV that supports use with a kernel without V4L1 |
| [14:55:24] | sphery: | smoothifier: i.e. if you're on Ubuntu, you likely need to enable the repos to get -fixes |
| [14:55:29] | sphery: | http://www.mythbuntu.org/repos/ |
| [14:55:34] | smoothifier: | i'm on fedora 15 |
| [14:55:38] | smoothifier: | rpmfusion |
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| [14:56:21] | sphery: | ok, not sure how to, but make sure you get 0.24-fixes on that, too |
| [14:56:33] | sphery: | otherwise, you can't get a PVR-x50 to work |
| [14:56:34] | smoothifier: | okay thanks |
| [14:56:48] | smoothifier: | yeah well she's getting pretty old now :( |
| [14:57:01] | sphery: | I just got a fail cat from pastebin |
| [14:57:06] | sphery: | Pastebin.com is under heavy load right now :'( |
| [14:57:12] | wagnerrp: | fail... cat...? |
| [14:57:22] | smoothifier: | thanks guys... thanks a lot |
| [14:57:30] | sphery: | was going to check to see what version you have, but can't without your pastebin/log |
| [14:57:50] | smoothifier: | can i give that to you some other way? |
| [14:58:04] | smoothifier: | version of mythtv? |
| [14:58:04] | sphery: | what's it say for MythTV Version in mythbackend --versin |
| [14:58:08] | sphery: | er, --version |
| [14:58:29] | smoothifier: | MythTV Version : 0.24.1–2.fc15 (3657f313ac) |
| [14:58:40] | wagnerrp: | v0.24.1-9-g3657f31 |
| [14:59:11] | smoothifier: | oh were you talking to me? sorry :) |
| [14:59:28] | wagnerrp: | no, he was talking to you |
| [14:59:37] | wagnerrp: | i corrected what you said with a more meaningful response |
| [14:59:59] | smoothifier: | heheh you're like a horse whisperer |
| [15:00:41] | sphery: | 60 seconds ago /me cursed github's stupid DoS-based user-interface |
| [15:00:50] | sphery: | and, no, I don't mean Disk Operating System |
| [15:01:48] | sphery: | if not for the firefox, "Some idiot web programmer doesn't have a clue about writing JavaScript and thinks you may be running on a 700PHz system, do you really want to wait or stop the stupid script" popup, I'd still be waiting for the page |
| [15:03:13] | sphery: | anyway, it looks like that version is from the day that we added support for those kernels |
| [15:03:26] | sphery: | so it's likely that you just need to look more carefully at your choices |
| [15:04:16] | smoothifier: | i have to look at the latest errors to see what i did wrong this time |
| [15:04:22] | sphery: | so, no one else is getting a failure on pastebin.com? |
| [15:06:14] | wagnerrp: | nope |
| [15:06:19] | sphery: | wagnerrp: so can't find much in the way of tech specs on Calxeda |
| [15:06:43] | sphery: | now it's working for me... |
| [15:06:48] | sphery: | I promise, though, there was a fail cat |
| [15:06:59] | iamlindoro: | Of course |
| [15:07:00] | sphery: | (a cat at a computer with keyboard/mouse) |
| [15:07:05] | iamlindoro: | if it were dog powered it would never go down |
| [15:07:08] | wagnerrp: | pics or GTFO |
| [15:07:09] | iamlindoro: | because cats are jerks |
| [15:07:17] | sphery: | hehe |
| [15:07:57] | sphery: | I guess maybe I just timed my request right about the time Anonymous leaked the financial details of millions more innocent people |
| [15:08:27] | wagnerrp: | sphery: its a custom quad-core ARM A9 SoC at 1.4GHz |
| [15:09:10] | wagnerrp: | each chip gets 4GB of DDR3L, 4 SATA ports, and connects through an 80Gbps switching fabric |
| [15:09:37] | sphery: | nice |
| [15:09:52] | wagnerrp: | 4 chips to a card, 18 cards to a tray, 4 trays to a 2U chassis |
| [15:09:54] | sphery: | only problem is that it's not Atom |
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| [15:10:29] | wagnerrp: | make that a 4U chassis |
| [15:10:35] | smoothifier: | thanks, guys. that was a bonehead move i made. it's working now fine. time to tweak everything else. |
| [15:11:13] | wagnerrp: | so 5k servers and 20k cores in a single rack |
| [15:11:39] | sphery: | and how much power for the rack or the server? |
| [15:11:58] | wagnerrp: | each SoC eats 5W, plus however much the RAM takes |
| [15:12:47] | sphery: | wow |
| [15:12:53] | sphery: | and what kind of workloads is this for? |
| [15:13:09] | wagnerrp: | would be perfect as a web server |
| [15:13:14] | sphery: | ahhh |
| [15:13:36] | wagnerrp: | the kind of thing each request doesnt need a lot of power, but you have tons of requests |
| [15:13:36] | sphery: | so more about moving data than processing data |
| [15:13:44] | sphery: | yeah |
| [15:13:56] | sphery: | and very parallel |
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| [17:57:21] | wagnerrp: | sphery: when you mentioned 'ultraviolet' the other day, i thought you were just making some joke about a future successor to bluray |
| [17:57:28] | wagnerrp: | i had forgotten it was actually a real thing |
| [17:58:37] | ** Beirdo received his OpenCL Programming Guide this morning. YAY ** | |
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| [18:26:29] | tgm4883: | Does mythtv have anything written up describing what is a banned topic? |
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| [18:27:06] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/IRC#Legally-Dubious_Content |
| [18:27:27] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mailing_List_etiqu . . . _aware_of.3F |
| [18:27:37] | wagnerrp: | the mailing list bit could be a bit more explicit |
| [18:28:49] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, that is perfect |
| [18:30:26] | smoothifier: | i don't see the mythtv upnp shares on the network although i see other shares that I have. i ran mythbackend --upnprebuild and it seems to have added files to the database. my frontend/backend ip is set to 192.168.1.50. what else should i look at? |
| [18:31:00] | wagnerrp: | is that 0.24 or 0.25? |
| [18:31:08] | smoothifier: | 0.24 |
| [18:31:32] | wagnerrp: | how did you define the paths for your video content? |
| [18:31:33] | smoothifier: | i can't see anything in the log |
| [18:32:09] | smoothifier: | the video content is a cifs share... /mnt/jose |
| [18:32:25] | smoothifier: | worked for me last time |
| [18:32:47] | wagnerrp: | no, i mean how did you tell mythtv where your video content was located? |
| [18:33:18] | smoothifier: | in setup-Video... um i will get you the exact menu |
| [18:33:42] | wagnerrp: | so in the frontend? |
| [18:34:15] | smoothifier: | yes |
| [18:34:29] | wagnerrp: | your frontend is located on the same machine as your backend? |
| [18:34:33] | smoothifier: | yes |
| [18:34:47] | wagnerrp: | is your frontend running under the same user as your backend? |
| [18:35:00] | smoothifier: | let me check |
| [18:36:03] | smoothifier: | nope. root for mythbackend, mythtv for mythfrontend |
| [18:36:21] | wagnerrp: | youre running your backend as root? why? |
| [18:36:40] | smoothifier: | it installed that way from the rpm. i've only had this up for 24 hours :) |
| [18:36:47] | smoothifier: | no reason, i'd rather not |
| [18:37:20] | ** wagnerrp really wishes redhat-based distros would stop running crap as root... ** | |
| [18:37:29] | smoothifier: | yes, me too |
| [18:37:40] | smoothifier: | so is httpd :/ |
| [18:37:48] | sphery: | wagnerrp: hehe, yeah, real--but likely no better for us alt-OS users |
| [18:37:49] | wagnerrp: | in any case, depending on how your CIFS share was mounted, it could be restricted to your single user account |
| [18:37:59] | smoothifier: | yes, i think it is |
| [18:38:11] | wagnerrp: | that may even restrict root from accessing it |
| [18:38:28] | wagnerrp: | ive seen FUSE mounts do such things before |
| [18:38:41] | smoothifier: | would that block the appearance of the upnp server entirely? |
| [18:38:52] | wagnerrp: | no, the upnp server should still be visible |
| [18:39:00] | wagnerrp: | but it would prevent any content from showing up on the upnp server |
| [18:39:11] | wagnerrp: | any video content that is |
| [18:39:15] | wagnerrp: | recordings would still show |
| [18:39:15] | smoothifier: | i can't see the server to begin with |
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| [18:39:49] | wagnerrp: | there could be network configuration issues preventing multicast detection from working |
| [18:39:59] | Beirdo: | I was just typing that :) |
| [18:40:01] | wagnerrp: | what are you trying to access it with? |
| [18:40:15] | smoothifier: | well... don't hate me... but i have a windows upnp inspector |
| [18:40:24] | ** Beirdo runs valgrind on his gpucommflag again to see if he fixed some of the crapola ** | |
| [18:40:28] | smoothifier: | it shows other servers on the network |
| [18:40:30] | wagnerrp: | is your windows box on the same physical segment? |
| [18:40:34] | smoothifier: | yes |
| [18:40:47] | smoothifier: | same switch |
| [18:41:04] | Beirdo: | same netmask? |
| [18:41:07] | smoothifier: | yes |
| [18:41:17] | smoothifier: | pretty simple network here... 255.255.255.0 |
| [18:42:09] | Beirdo: | you may likely need (on the linux box) a route to 239.0.0.0/255.0.0.0 (or even larger) going out the ethernet |
| [18:42:51] | Beirdo: | route add -net 239.0.0.0/8 gw 192.168.1.8 |
| [18:42:53] | smoothifier: | route add 239.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 ? |
| [18:43:05] | Beirdo: | substitute the machine's IP for the gateway |
| [18:43:11] | Beirdo: | i.e. its own IP |
| [18:43:15] | smoothifier: | i'll do that |
| [18:43:30] | Beirdo: | that cleaned up a lot of the UPnP for me |
| [18:44:51] | wagnerrp: | isnt it 224–239? |
| [18:45:00] | wagnerrp: | i thought 240–250 was unused |
| [18:45:09] | smoothifier: | 224 sounds right |
| [18:45:14] | smoothifier: | have to scratch my head |
| [18:45:22] | Beirdo: | with a larger netmask, yes |
| [18:45:29] | wagnerrp: | doesnt really matter, upnp is all 239.255.255.250 i think |
| [18:45:30] | Beirdo: | we specifically only need 239 though |
| [18:45:35] | wagnerrp: | i know its something in 239 |
| [18:46:05] | smoothifier: | i added that route but so far i still can't see it :/ |
| [18:46:08] | smoothifier: | ok wait |
| [18:46:13] | smoothifier: | could i have it firewalled? |
| [18:46:24] | smoothifier: | should have thought of that |
| [18:46:43] | wagnerrp: | you could... |
| [18:46:50] | Beirdo: | you might. :) You may also need to wait a bit for the backend to rebroadcast, or restart the backend to get it to do it now. |
| [18:47:04] | wagnerrp: | although firewalling everything by default is just as bad as running everything as root |
| [18:47:27] | Beirdo: | I fail to see how |
| [18:47:52] | wagnerrp: | because you only need to firewall something you have applications listening on those ports |
| [18:48:03] | wagnerrp: | and if you have applications listening, then you dont want to firewall |
| [18:48:04] | Beirdo: | not true at all |
| [18:48:19] | smoothifier: | well i'll kill the firewall... see if that works... then put it back up and fix it |
| [18:48:22] | Beirdo: | you do want to firewall unused ports, that's how you keep trojans from working |
| [18:48:46] | Beirdo: | if you are an uber-security dude, you close everything, and open ONLY what you need. |
| [18:48:53] | smoothifier: | it's behind a router. i'd like something running on it, though |
| [18:49:06] | wagnerrp: | and until you actually start interactively using the system, such that trojans could get on there, you dont need a firewall |
| [18:49:25] | Beirdo: | myself, I just keep the firewalling at the firewall, not on the host, but host firewalling is a valid way to do it |
| [18:49:36] | wagnerrp: | smoothifier: (NAT) routers only block inbound traffic |
| [18:49:48] | wagnerrp: | not the outbound trojans he is talking about |
| [18:50:12] | smoothifier: | ok it's the firewall (hits himself on head) |
| [18:50:17] | sphery: | Because maybe you're gonna be the one who saves me? And after all, you're my firewall. |
| [18:50:26] | smoothifier: | so now i need a rule for upnp |
| [18:50:35] | Beirdo: | aye |
| [18:50:39] | Beirdo: | anyways, whatever :) |
| [18:51:01] | ** wagnerrp just doesnt like when things try to protect him from himself, and just end up getting in the way ** | |
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| [18:54:45] | smoothifier: | thanks again guys |
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| [20:04:51] | dekarl: | SCTE 57 is not very clear on dynamic PMT usage. Can't CBS just announce a "CBS prefer football" and another "CBS prefer Heidi" service which share all elementary streams. |
| [20:04:51] | dekarl: | Only when the game extends into the Heidi slot they split the streams out into seperate Heidi/Football streams (while reducing the bandwidth of services on the same mux or dropping their video or similar)? That's how our broadcaster split out their regional windows... |
| [20:04:51] | dekarl: | Oh and they could plaster "Heidi starts on the other channel on time" and vice versa over the video. Of course that assumes the stations downstream can be tought to handle such stream changes :) |
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| [20:29:40] | ** sphery finally understands why so many users have to up the signal/tuning timeout, now ** | |
| [20:30:00] | sphery: | (because our broken Qt-based setup-UI doesn't actually apply the defaults, so you get the mins) |
| [20:30:11] | sphery: | all it took was my buying a new capture card to figure this out |
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| [20:33:06] | dekarl: | nice catch! |
| [20:34:16] | iamlindoro: | yayyyy |
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| [20:36:20] | sphery: | actually, they seem to be taking... I must have modified mine |
| [20:37:08] | jams: | sphery- default values do not get applied, until the screen is entered and left. |
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| [20:37:28] | jams: | there are other config items that behave the same way |
| [20:37:49] | sphery: | yeah, not sure what exactly happened now |
| [20:38:09] | sphery: | I've definitely increased mine over defaults (from 500/3000 to 3000/5000) |
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| [20:38:44] | sphery: | so or maybe that was the if (frontend_name == "Nextwave NXT200X VSB/QAM frontend") that did mine differently |
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| [20:39:02] | sphery: | wonder how to find my frontend name |
| [20:39:29] | sphery: | ok, I have pcHDTV 3000, so that didn't do mine |
| [20:39:55] | sphery: | but mine were 3000/5500... (which is what the Nextwave hack does...) |
| [20:40:06] | sphery: | so I guess maybe that's the difference |
| [20:40:24] | sphery: | or all ATSC used to use 3000/5500 |
| [20:41:07] | high-rez: | So I purchased a HDHR Prime and will be getting a cable hookup friday. From what I've read, it appears taht you don't do a channel scan. Is it correct to assume that myth gets the channel list from the HDHR Prime (which it in turn got from the OOB channel?) |
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| [20:42:41] | sphery: | so maybe we just need to change the 500/3000 for ATSC to something higher? |
| [20:42:59] | sphery: | high-rez: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Configuring_MythTV . . . omeRun_Prime |
| [20:43:05] | sphery: | you use listings source |
| [20:43:24] | high-rez: | sphery: So the data from schedules direct is what actually populates the channe list ? |
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| [20:45:06] | iamlindoro: | correct |
| [20:45:12] | high-rez: | Interesting. |
| [20:46:46] | high-rez: | I thought for a moment, that maybe it was dynamic and the HDHR Prime some how provided a channel lineup table to myth :) |
| [20:47:31] | qwebirc11912: | sphery: I finally got around to running that find_orphans.py script but it's not showing the video files that the log file is complaining about.... |
| [20:47:56] | qwebirc11912: | I've got a 150MB log file just for today...any other ideas? |
| [20:47:59] | wagnerrp: | qwebirc11912: have you ever renamed your backend? |
| [20:48:20] | qwebirc11912: | no |
| [20:48:27] | qwebirc11912: | you mean hostname right? |
| [20:48:33] | wagnerrp: | yes |
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| [20:49:24] | qwebirc11912: | not that I know of....I'm starting to wonder if it's one of the recent updates....I'm using the mythbuntu-repos |
| [20:50:59] | qwebirc11912: | It really looks like it's happening when you're on the watch recordings screen and a new show gets transcoded and the original mpg is deleted...then the errors start |
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| [20:53:22] | qwebirc11912: | My logs are full of these two lines |
| [20:53:24] | qwebirc11912: | 2011-11–02 16:20:44.273 ProgramInfo(1030_20111102140000.mpg), Error: GetPlaybackURL: '1030_20111102140000.mpg' should be local, but it can not be found. |
| [20:53:37] | qwebirc11912: | 2011-11–02 16:20:44.273 PlaybackBoxHelper Error: CHECK_AVAILABILITY 'GetPlaybackURL/UNABLE/TO/FIND/LOCAL/FILE/ON/mythtv/1030_20111102140000.mpg' file not found |
| [20:54:44] | wagnerrp: | if find_orphans.py did not report it, then either it found a file of that name, or it could not connect to the backend listed and ignored all content expected to be there |
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| [20:57:02] | qwebirc11912: | strange....I guess I'll keep an eye out for it....I don't usually leave the frontend on the watch recordings screen but maybe I should to see if I can reproduce it |
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| [22:03:56] | high-rez: | Hmm, I was just starting to compile mythtv and I noticed support for libcec. Does this mean if I had a compatible device, I could control myth over cec? |
| [22:06:36] | sphery: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 95161#495161 |
| [22:06:52] | sphery: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/495235#495235 |
| [22:07:21] | sphery: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/493145#493145 |
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| [22:08:22] | high-rez: | Well friggin neat |
| [22:08:28] | sphery: | feel free to start the wiki page :) |
| [22:09:14] | high-rez: | I'll give it a run. I ordered the adapters. :) |
| [22:09:27] | sid3windr: | oh nice |
| [22:09:38] | sid3windr: | that's way cheaper than that homemade device thingy someone was offering |
| [22:09:40] | high-rez: | (Two of em, will take forever to get them shipped from europe but its worth it) |
| [22:09:51] | sid3windr: | (nice guy though, gave me a nice discount etc, but i ended up not buying it) |
| [22:10:48] | high-rez: | Did it actually work with myth? Theres one available locally (like int he same city as I'm in) but there was no linux support for it – though tthe guy offered to help support development it was also quite expenisve (like twice the price of this thing) |
| [22:11:20] | sid3windr: | he had some tcl scripts to control it |
| [22:11:27] | sid3windr: | so it works with linux |
| [22:11:36] | high-rez: | Ahh nice. |
| [22:11:36] | sid3windr: | with myth.. wel that's a question of integration through shellscripts or so |
| [22:11:42] | sid3windr: | was thinking of binding it to lirc keys stuff |
| [22:11:45] | sid3windr: | not straight into myth :) |
| [22:11:53] | sid3windr: | but I never got around to it |
| [22:12:59] | sid3windr: | good spot, I'll keep the pulse eight thingy in mind |
| [22:12:59] | high-rez: | Well I can't wait to give this a try. |
| [22:13:02] | ** sid3windr zz now- tata :) ** | |
| [22:13:13] | high-rez: | I've had a terrible time with my WMC remotes. |
| [22:13:25] | sid3windr: | I'm quite eager to know if and how it works out for you :) |
| [22:13:27] | high-rez: | I always have to literally get close to them, for them to work. |
| [22:13:36] | high-rez: | I'll let you know soon enough – two are on order. ;) |
| [22:13:39] | sid3windr: | :) |
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| [22:26:15] | hoolio: | I've had an MCE remote for gosh, 7 years. |
| [22:26:21] | hoolio: | It's been fine. |
| [22:26:47] | hoolio: | Both with MCE and Myth. |
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| [22:48:43] | high-rez: | hoolio: I've had a strange problem with mine (two separate installs). If I haven't used it for a while (like first thing in the morning) I have to get right up close to it before it'll take my input. Even though, its subar compared to ir receiver on my tv and receiver. |
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| [22:53:54] | hoolio: | odd. batteries aren't flat? |
| [22:54:17] | hoolio: | or something interfering with the IR signal |
| [22:57:41] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: HDHomeRun is actually both DVB-T and -C |
| [22:58:16] | wagnerrp: | it is? ive only ever seen people refer to it as a dvb-t tuner |
| [22:58:21] | high-rez: | hoolio: Nope. Its alaways been like that for me |
| [22:58:24] | iamlindoro: | yeah, does both |
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| [22:59:28] | hoolio: | the only thing i can think of is that you have some local interference with the IR signal |
| [22:59:44] | hoolio: | can you test it on another physically separate instance of myth? |
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| [23:00:30] | hoolio: | it should work out of the box on the mythubuntu 10.10 live CD, just to test the range |
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| [23:02:13] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: blame arstechnica |
| [23:02:47] | iamlindoro: | I shall ;) |
| [23:02:48] | wagnerrp: | im pissed off trying to argue with someone who thinks that because transcoding the 30GB files off Bluray disks is hard work, we should all just give up and pirate it off the internet |
| [23:04:13] | hoolio: | if you own the blueray, would downloading it be considered piracy? |
| [23:04:17] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [23:05:13] | wagnerrp: | even if you try to make the case that you already have legitimate access to that content |
| [23:05:21] | wagnerrp: | the other side does not have permission to distribute |
| [23:05:36] | wagnerrp: | in which case you are aiding in their copyright infringement |
| [23:06:08] | wagnerrp: | besides which, if you use bittorrent, you are illegally distributing as welll |
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| [23:19:07] | sphery: | wagnerrp: photocopying a book page by page is hard work--which is the only reason that photocopying a book was deemed fair use |
| [23:20:09] | sphery: | the time and money cost involved was seen as a guarantee that it would only be used for copying small amounts of the book, for example for academic purposes or such |
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| [23:20:44] | sphery: | so, IMHO, transcoding the 30GB files off bluray discs is, in fact, the cost of fair use |
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| [23:21:02] | sphery: | circumventing that cost is plain old piracy |
| [23:21:05] | wagnerrp: | s/the cost of fair use/futile/ |
| [23:21:27] | sphery: | well, there's that, too--when you can just copy the untranscoded version |
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| [23:23:59] | wizbit: | i would like to use my TV's internal speakers for watching live tv, and watching recordings, for movies and music, i would like to use my digital av reciever, what would be the best way to set this up? |
| [23:24:44] | wizbit: | would i need to create some manual options on my remote what activate alsa stuff? |
| [23:24:58] | wagnerrp: | connect mythtv to your AV receiver, connect your AV receiver to your tv |
| [23:25:06] | wagnerrp: | for movies, mute the tv |
| [23:25:10] | wagnerrp: | for music, turn off the tv |
| [23:25:16] | wagnerrp: | for recordings, mute the receiver |
| [23:25:32] | wizbit: | wagnerrp: the whole idea is to stop wasting electricity |
| [23:25:44] | wizbit: | i dont need a amp on when watching live tv and recordings |
| [23:25:56] | wagnerrp: | turn off the receiver when youre not using it |
| [23:26:07] | kormoc: | Did you verify with a device that you'll save any real power amount? |
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| [23:26:21] | kormoc: | it's surprising how little is saved with a device turned 'off' these days |
| [23:26:34] | wagnerrp: | if youre not actually drawing any power out of it, that amp may only be running 20–30W when idle |
| [23:26:36] | wizbit: | ok i will run some tests, i assumed a amp would burn quite a few watts |
| [23:27:02] | wizbit: | 20–30w is still quite a bit |
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| [23:27:10] | wagnerrp: | for a couple hours a day? not really |
| [23:27:21] | kormoc: | unless you unplug it, it still might pull 15–25w when 'off' |
| [23:27:31] | wizbit: | jeeze |
| [23:27:34] | wagnerrp: | expect one watt, 24 hours a day, will cost you around $1/yr in electrical costs |
| [23:27:39] | kormoc: | (or get a smart powerstrip like I do) |
| [23:28:41] | wizbit: | i could get a soundcard what can output digital and analogue, connect the digital to the av amp. and the analogue directly to my tv |
| [23:29:10] | wagnerrp: | mythtv has no mechanism to support multiple different outputs |
| [23:29:24] | wizbit: | i could create some remote keys what change alsa |
| [23:29:25] | wagnerrp: | you would need to manually reconfigure your audio configuration each time you wanted to switch |
| [23:29:49] | wizbit: | yep |
| [23:30:10] | wizbit: | im thought mythmusic or mythvideo had its own sound settings |
| [23:30:13] | wizbit: | *i |
| [23:30:23] | wagnerrp: | for all of a couple dollars per year in energy savings at most, its not worth the effort |
| [23:30:27] | kormoc: | wizbit, when I did power calculations, a start powerstrip would save me more then any futzing about would |
| [23:30:38] | wagnerrp: | no, mythvideo uses the internal player with the same sound configuration as recordings |
| [23:30:43] | jams: | several realtek hdaudio will do both digital/analog my maudio 2940 does it. Both using OSS |
| [23:30:49] | jams: | don't know about alsa |
| [23:31:05] | wagnerrp: | mythmusic does have its own configuration, but i expect that will be switching to the internal sound some time in the next couple versions |
| [23:31:10] | kormoc: | wizbit, http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003P2UMQ2 |
| [23:31:14] | wizbit: | ohh |
| [23:31:46] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: that one of those things that shuts off the rest of the outlets when the primary draw drops below a certain threshhold? |
| [23:31:59] | sphery: | wagnerrp: perhaps you could create a software layer that sits between ALSA and the app... the app could send data to this other software layer, which could then route it to ALSA, so the underlying layer could choose the appropriate output |
| [23:32:00] | wagnerrp: | s/beirdo/kormoc/ |
| [23:32:10] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, aye |
| [23:32:25] | sphery: | and that software layer could be designed to totally mess up A/V sync |
| [23:33:17] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, it honestly halfed my electric bill, all the consoles, dvd player, etc ate a lot of power 24/7 |
| [23:33:24] | wagnerrp: | heh |
| [23:33:43] | wizbit: | nice, i will get one |
| [23:33:53] | ** wizbit checks for uk version ** | |
| [23:34:48] | sphery: | I'm waiting for "smart" electrical monitoring to become mainstream in the US |
| [23:35:14] | wizbit: | http://www.belkin.com/conserve/smartav/ |
| [23:35:18] | wizbit: | excellent |
| [23:35:34] | sphery: | I really want a way to measure and track and graph my usage all the time with various different appliances, but haven't been able to figure out how |
| [23:35:50] | wagnerrp: | how is easy |
| [23:35:50] | jams: | kormoc- my old plasma tv is the worst offender at that. |
| [23:35:55] | wagnerrp: | how cheaply is not |
| [23:36:03] | sphery: | hehe, maybe that's the problem |
| [23:36:09] | sphery: | I had too many qualifications in my how |
| [23:36:20] | jams: | actually i have a smart strip..that woould be a great place to use it. |
| [23:36:26] | kormoc: | jams, yeah. My tv draws a ton. It was cheap upfront but cost way more in the long run |
| [23:36:29] | sphery: | seems over in Europe they're doing much better than us |
| [23:36:40] | wagnerrp: | sphery: tracking per circuit actually wouldnt be all that hard |
| [23:37:25] | jams: | kormoc- i could never figure out a combo that would work for the main room. seemed I used all the devices independant of each other |
| [23:37:35] | sphery: | would it require hooking into the electrical fuse box? |
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| [23:39:02] | kormoc: | jams, ahh, that's too bad |
| [23:39:10] | wagnerrp: | wrap loops around the hot of each wire coming out of the panel, wire those up to a selector switch and a bridge circuit |
| [23:39:16] | kormoc: | jams, they have smaller versions too if you wanted to get a pile of them |
| [23:39:37] | sphery: | ahhh |
| [23:39:38] | wagnerrp: | get a little micro-controller to rapidly cycle through the selector and measure the bridge circuit |
| [23:39:56] | sphery: | sounds like I'd be better off waiting for a mainstream product :) |
| [23:40:14] | sphery: | my electricity is basically national average price, too, so it's not that big a deal |
| [23:40:17] | wagnerrp: | it wouldnt be exact like a cumulative power meter, since youre doing an average of instantaneous measurements |
| [23:40:18] | kormoc: | sphery, the mainstream product is get a killawatt per outlet :P |
| [23:40:37] | wagnerrp: | but except for transient spikes, it would come close enough |
| [23:41:00] | jams: | sphery- http://www.energycircle.com/shop/emonitor-ene . . . ynamics.html |
| [23:41:01] | wagnerrp: | and those transient spikes are too sure to use any meaningful amount of energy |
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| [23:41:15] | wagnerrp: | s/sure/short/ |
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| [23:41:27] | sphery: | kormoc: hehe, yeah, but walking between those outlets to record the values quickly enough to get useful graphs is challenging |
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| [23:42:06] | jams: | or the engadget cover http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/08/powerhouse . . . -the-circui/ |
| [23:42:24] | wagnerrp: | i would bet any of those arduino users could rig something up in a weekend |
| [23:42:42] | sphery: | jams: pretty cool... I'd prefer one without the subscription/service |
| [23:42:51] | wagnerrp: | although you would likely want to run an independent A/D |
| [23:42:54] | sphery: | (and an ability to use my own GNU/Linux systems to provide the service) |
| [23:42:56] | jams: | yeah that is the downside |
| [23:43:09] | wagnerrp: | i doubt the converters they have on those amtel chips are very precise |
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| [23:46:25] | Beirdo: | they aren't that bad, really |
| [23:46:33] | Beirdo: | 10bit though, IIRC |
| [23:46:46] | sphery: | wow, with a 2-yr service plan for the eMonitor 12 at $687 and a 5-yr plan at $829 that means those extra 3 years are $142, and they show prices of $5.50 per month for the 12 after those 5 years are up |
| [23:46:52] | sphery: | I know I wouldn't be able to save that much money with it |
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| [23:47:03] | sphery: | http://www.energycircle.com/shop/emonitor-add . . . service.html |
| [23:47:25] | sphery: | also shows $8.97/mo for 12r or $11.67/mo for 24r (but for some reason only $2.77/mo for 12s) |
| [23:47:30] | wagnerrp: | if you wire up the bridge to do full range, thats only a couple watts |
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| [23:48:04] | AlphaWolf: | does mythtv support tivo style buffers where you can have multiple livetv buffers running simultaneously? |
| [23:48:18] | wagnerrp: | probably not much different from a killawatt |
| [23:48:31] | wagnerrp: | AlphaWolf: no, one livetv session active per frontend |
| [23:48:40] | sphery: | AlphaWolf: you can run as many live tv sessions as you have tuners (and frontends) |
| [23:48:53] | sphery: | AlphaWolf: or you can just start up as many recordings as you have tuners |
| [23:49:29] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, sphery, don't we support PIP? |
| [23:49:36] | AlphaWolf: | does that mean you can run multiple front ends on one machine? |
| [23:49:37] | kormoc: | or is that live tv and a recording only? |
| [23:49:44] | kormoc: | AlphaWolf, why would you want to? |
| [23:49:48] | sphery: | ah, yeah, we do have PiP and PbP for live |
| [23:50:02] | AlphaWolf: | well I like to be able to watch two shows live at once |
| [23:50:06] | sphery: | but I thought everyone figured out that was a useless gimmick back in the early 90s |
| [23:50:09] | sphery: | :) |
| [23:50:10] | AlphaWolf: | when commercials come on one tuner |
| [23:50:14] | AlphaWolf: | watch another show on another tuner |
| [23:50:18] | AlphaWolf: | switch back and forth |
| [23:50:25] | AlphaWolf: | not all the time, but a lot of times |
| [23:50:33] | wagnerrp: | AlphaWolf: record them both and watch them later |
| [23:50:34] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: how is full range only 2 watts? You scale it however you want |
| [23:50:42] | sphery: | AlphaWolf: record both, watch at 1.25x timestretch (which is basically unnoticeable), and you can watch 2 1hr shows in about 1hr after skipping commercials |
| [23:50:43] | Beirdo: | the resolution may suffer, but still |
| [23:50:51] | sphery: | Live TV is a waste of time |
| [23:51:01] | kormoc: | AlphaWolf, typically most mythtv users just record enough that their setup can commflag and so they watch them commercial free |
| [23:51:02] | sphery: | make your TV work for you--don't work to watch your TV |
| [23:51:15] | ** sphery has 1720+ unwatched recordings ** | |
| [23:51:32] | sphery: | and I guarantee some of those are /much/ more interesting than whatever garbage is airing right now |
| [23:51:38] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: 1024 levels on a 15A 110V line (1650W) |
| [23:51:47] | AlphaWolf: | you can commflag livetv? |
| [23:52:07] | kormoc: | AlphaWolf, you commflag recordings and livetv is just a recording that's actively being appended to |
| [23:52:07] | sphery: | AlphaWolf: no, which is why you record instead of using live tv |
| [23:52:20] | Beirdo: | oh, you mean a 2W resolution? |
| [23:52:22] | sphery: | even if you watch recordings in progress, you can have commflagging for them |
| [23:52:31] | kormoc: | AlphaWolf, but in any case, you might be okay with PiP/PbP |
| [23:52:41] | AlphaWolf: | whats pbp? |
| [23:52:46] | sphery: | picture by picture |
| [23:52:55] | AlphaWolf: | what does that mean? |
| [23:52:56] | kormoc: | I thought it was below |
| [23:52:57] | sphery: | 2 4:3 shows side by side on a 16:9 monitor |
| [23:53:01] | AlphaWolf: | ah ok |
| [23:53:13] | AlphaWolf: | shit |
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| [23:53:18] | AlphaWolf: | I just spilled mt dew all over mysef] |
| [23:53:20] | kormoc: | That makes more sense, side by side |
| [23:53:22] | sphery: | don't know if we have an above/below |
| [23:53:36] | sphery: | above below would make sense with 16:9 material on 4:3 screens |
| [23:53:45] | AlphaWolf: | brb |
| [23:53:53] | kormoc: | true |
| [23:53:54] | Beirdo: | I personally would set it up to saturate at about 1000VA or so. If you are that high up, what's a few more watts? It's only at the low end that I'd care much anyways. |
| [23:54:15] | sphery: | but any more most screens /and/ most shows are 16:9 |
| [23:54:26] | Beirdo: | or maybe apply a logarithmic curve, sample and do the anti-log in software |
| [23:55:01] | Beirdo: | uLaw or aLaw the sucker :) |
| [23:55:02] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [23:55:20] | wagnerrp: | good point |
| [23:55:30] | AlphaWolf: | umm...I don't suppose anybody has any tips for keeping my power bill down while having a mythtv box setup? |
| [23:55:42] | wagnerrp: | turn it off while not in use |
| [23:55:54] | wagnerrp: | rather.... turn dedicated frontends off |
| [23:55:55] | Beirdo: | AlphaWolf: sure. don't use the oven or clothes dryer or baseboard heaters |
| [23:56:04] | wagnerrp: | let the backend decide when it wants to turn off on its own |
| [23:56:10] | Beirdo: | that's going to be the majority of your electricity anyways |
| [23:56:21] | AlphaWolf: | well, I like to be able to turn it on and have a livetv buffer ready and waiting a lot of the time, can you do that while turning off the front end? |
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| [23:56:41] | wagnerrp: | no, you cannot connect a frontend to an existing livetv session |
| [23:56:49] | wagnerrp: | nor can you migrate it from one frontend to another |
| [23:57:11] | kormoc: | AlphaWolf, if you're not recording, myth might not be the best solution for you |
| [23:57:24] | wagnerrp: | AlphaWolf: do understand, mythtv makes no distinction between livetv and recordings |
| [23:57:26] | AlphaWolf: | no I record a lot |
| [23:57:28] | wagnerrp: | they both go straight to disk |
| [23:57:47] | AlphaWolf: | I own a tivo HD, just I want a lot of the conveniences I have with it to translate well to mythtv |
| [23:57:51] | wagnerrp: | the only difference is livetv gets a special bit in the database that puts it at the top of the list for automatic deletion |
| [23:58:01] | sphery: | you can start watching a live tv recording that's "live" on another frontend |
| [23:58:02] | AlphaWolf: | I picked up a new hdhomerun prime and tried windows media center, it sucks balls, so I want to give mythtv a try |
| [23:58:10] | plut0: | anyone use usb-uirt? |
| [23:58:18] | sphery: | but when the other frontend changes channels or exits, you only play back until the end of that particular recording |
| [23:58:24] | wagnerrp: | does cox broadcast stuff copy-freely? |
| [23:58:43] | AlphaWolf: | I have word on good authority that they are about to discontinue that practice |
| [23:58:51] | AlphaWolf: | copy once that is |
| [23:59:04] | wagnerrp: | mythtv can only capture copy-freely content from a Prime |
| [23:59:05] | kormoc: | So it'll be copy freely or do not copy? |
| [23:59:20] | wagnerrp: | so any content that is locked to your cablecard tivo will be inaccessible to mythtv |
| [23:59:22] | AlphaWolf: | nothing is final yet, but word is that they are going to mark all non-premium content as copy freely |
| [23:59:41] | AlphaWolf: | I have a way around that annoying copy flag on my tivo hd |
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| [23:59:52] | AlphaWolf: | but you can't use a tivo hd as a tuner (yet) |
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