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| [00:11:48] | lapion: | Beirdo, maybe they mean you have less doors.. ... not fewer doors but less |
| [00:13:52] | lapion: | like even if a cadilac coupe has the same amount doors as a mercedes coupe, the mercedes coupe still has less doors |
| [00:16:18] | lapion: | or maybe for a mercedes coupe you only need to walk one door, and many other coupes you first need to walk several dealers ddors before you find the one you want to buy |
| [00:16:37] | lapion: | 's/ddors/doors/ |
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| [00:20:25] | wagnerrp: | Gary Grover is a tool! |
| [00:21:14] | [R]: | omg |
| [00:21:28] | Beirdo: | lapion: no. |
| [00:21:28] | [R]: | wagnerrp: that is the most legendary email ever |
| [00:21:36] | Beirdo: | less doors is nonsense. |
| [00:21:54] | Beirdo: | it's fewer doors. you can count doors, you don't use "less" for items that are countable |
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| [00:22:29] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: you make less sense |
| [00:22:30] | lapion: | you can't count doors if you do not know how many you might walk through when searching for something |
| [00:22:39] | [R]: | Beirdo: what about those jars where you have to count all the things in them... but since theres so many, its not really countable |
| [00:22:41] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: and that too, as you can't count sense |
| [00:22:56] | Beirdo: | yes it is countable. |
| [00:23:10] | Beirdo: | you need an English teacher :) |
| [00:23:39] | Beirdo: | less money... correct. less dollars... incorrect |
| [00:24:12] | Beirdo: | one of the many stupidities in the English language |
| [00:24:20] | Beirdo: | and boy do we have a lot of em |
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| [00:25:23] | [R]: | we should just all speak esperanto |
| [00:25:28] | lapion: | Beirdo, only in hindsight can you count how many doors you might walk through during a day |
| [00:25:29] | lapion: | beirdo we all know everything in hindsight.. |
| [00:25:45] | Beirdo: | blah blah blah :) |
| [00:26:02] | [R]: | i want eyes in my ass... |
| [00:26:21] | Beirdo: | no comment |
| [00:26:26] | wagnerrp: | so you can see how it is thats pounding you? |
| [00:26:31] | wagnerrp: | s/how/who/ |
| [00:26:47] | Beirdo: | You'd at least see it coming at tax time |
| [00:27:27] | lapion: | [R], so you can see that mercede' tire track are thread less on your spare eyes |
| [00:28:36] | wagnerrp: | threadless tires? |
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| [00:32:19] | lapion: | no tires that thread less |
| [00:32:42] | wagnerrp: | how do tires thread anything? |
| [00:34:45] | Beirdo: | gotta be one big needle |
| [00:35:51] | lapion: | well if you read on the side of most tires they have some form of threads in them, be it steel belted of other fibretype belted tyres, anything that contains fibres can thread |
| [00:36:20] | lapion: | can be thread |
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| [00:37:33] | wagnerrp: | yes, they have threads |
| [00:37:39] | wagnerrp: | they dont themselves thread |
| [00:37:47] | wagnerrp: | noun versus verb |
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| [00:38:48] | wagnerrp: | and 'spare eyes'... id rather not think about that one |
| [00:40:22] | lapion: | they can thread if the threads are exposed, and enough pressure is put onto them due to weight and or air pressure |
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| [00:40:57] | Beirdo: | umm, that would be shred |
| [00:41:25] | wagnerrp: | no, shred is something snowboarders do |
| [00:41:39] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [00:42:01] | lapion: | not neccesarily Beirdo |
| [00:42:03] | Beirdo: | something evil people do to company records as the cops are arriving? |
| [00:47:47] | sphery: | [R]: interesting... so after 3 minutes, the recording metadata goes away? |
| [00:47:56] | sphery: | (for the failed recording) |
| [00:48:03] | lapion: | beirdo imagine you have a rope with loosened threads, if two people start intermittantly pulling ad pushing at the rope is the rope threading or isn't it. |
| [00:48:21] | lapion: | s/ad/and/ |
| [00:50:13] | lapion: | time to go to sleep.. |
| [00:50:35] | wagnerrp: | the rope is unraveling |
| [00:54:01] | wagnerrp: | and of course following that, the process or making rope is called raveling |
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| [00:55:40] | [R]: | sphery: well mythfrontend claims its still recording for the 3 minutes |
| [00:56:01] | sphery: | then it shows it as not recording? |
| [00:56:07] | sphery: | does the metadata go away? |
| [00:56:07] | [R]: | then it just disapears |
| [00:56:10] | sphery: | cool |
| [00:56:39] | [R]: | i was initially making a manual recording for 1 minute, and when it ended the metadata remained... but if i let it go for like 10 minutes ,after 3, it would do the disapearing thing |
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| [00:59:50] | noisymouse: | where do I put the mythweb configuration file on gentoo? |
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| [02:16:13] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: now don't be starting with the logic-- it gets in the way of perfectly good rants |
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| [02:25:22] | [R]: | Perform accurate, reliable, real time updates to the EIT stream to mark |
| [02:25:22] | [R]: | changes to the scheduling data |
| [02:25:27] | [R]: | wagnerrp: oh come on, you know that would never happen |
| [02:30:28] | noisymouse: | how can I get an up-to-date .24 mythweb ebuild for gentoo? |
| [02:31:27] | iamlindoro: | by downloading it from github, and using it? |
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| [02:32:07] | noisymouse: | well I have an overlay, but when I do git --pull it says it's already up to date |
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| [02:34:57] | sphery: | and what makes you think it's not up to date? |
| [02:35:51] | noisymouse: | because it gives the latest version available as 0.24_p20110310 |
| [02:36:47] | [R]: | @$#%#$%#^%#$% |
| [02:36:57] | [R]: | i forgot to remove the "exit 1" from my channel change script |
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| [02:41:58] | sphery: | noisymouse: you cloned it properly? git clone git://github.com/MythTV/packaging |
| [02:42:50] | noisymouse: | I believe so (I just ran the command again to be sure) |
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| [02:43:27] | noisymouse: | same old version shows up |
| [02:43:33] | sphery: | you don't see: packaging/Gentoo/media-tv/mythtv/mythtv-0.24.1_p20111023.ebuild |
| [02:44:02] | wagnerrp: | sphery, noisymouse: we update ebuilds from the main distro fairly regularly |
| [02:44:10] | wagnerrp: | but mythweb and nuvexport, not so much |
| [02:44:13] | sphery: | er, in that it shoudl be git clone git://github.com/MythTV/packaging.git |
| [02:44:16] | sphery: | forgot the .git |
| [02:44:39] | sphery: | oh, didn't notice he was talking mythweb |
| [02:44:56] | sphery: | yeah, well since basically nothing has been touched in mythweb in forever... |
| [02:46:02] | noisymouse: | I don't see a 20111023 ebuild |
| [02:46:14] | sphery: | for mythtv there is one |
| [02:46:17] | noisymouse: | only p20110310 and the .25 ebuild |
| [02:46:18] | sphery: | for mythweb there won't be |
| [02:46:47] | sphery: | mythweb is mythweb-0.24_p20110310.ebuild |
| [02:47:03] | noisymouse: | the reason I'm looking for one is because all I get when I point to localhost/mythweb is a directory view |
| [02:47:09] | iamlindoro: | not to mention there's nothing to "build" so it's a silly thing to need anyway |
| [02:47:21] | noisymouse: | hmm |
| [02:48:13] | noisymouse: | and when I point to ./mythweb.php there are path errors (for modules_path, root_url, etc) |
| [02:48:52] | iamlindoro: | So you haven't properly configured apache or the mythweb conf file |
| [02:50:22] | wagnerrp: | to be honest, ive never run mythweb (or apache) on gentoo |
| [02:50:28] | wagnerrp: | so im not well suited to updating it |
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| [03:07:56] | iamlindoro: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4GDTxnA6YQ |
| [03:08:05] | iamlindoro: | Pardon the 20 first seconds without video and horrible audio sync |
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| [03:18:36] | noisymouse: | any possibility for an iphone frontend? |
| [03:18:58] | iamlindoro: | no interest in writing one personally |
| [03:19:00] | iamlindoro: | you can :P |
| [03:19:23] | iamlindoro: | and I should have known the first comment would be "give me more" |
| [03:19:34] | wagnerrp: | turn it around |
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| [03:19:50] | wagnerrp: | there is a possibility you will write an iphone frontend... on commission |
| [03:19:52] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [03:19:57] | iamlindoro: | there you go |
| [03:19:59] | noisymouse: | yeah |
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| [03:20:06] | noisymouse: | well it looks pretty cool |
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| [03:20:17] | iamlindoro: | Since I wrote a whole cocoa library to interface with Services, it would just be a matter of writing a UI |
| [03:20:24] | iamlindoro: | which yes, someone can pay me to do ;) |
| [03:20:33] | noisymouse: | I've been using something else for an iphone remote |
| [03:21:06] | noisymouse: | but that looks cooler/more functionalities |
| [03:21:48] | rmckee: | looks cool, all I need now is an iPad :-) |
| [03:21:50] | noisymouse: | I'm not sure it's a mythtv configuration problem because I don't understand why things like the module path would not be properly set |
| [03:22:33] | noisymouse: | anyway I'm just going to download mythweb and copy it over to my html root |
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| [03:30:42] | noisymouse: | hey, I was able to get it working now |
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| [03:41:13] | noisymouse: | is there still a mythweb channel editor? |
| [03:43:42] | wagnerrp: | as much as there was before |
| [03:43:50] | wagnerrp: | meaning its less a channel editor and more a database editor |
| [03:47:20] | noisymouse: | I see |
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| [03:49:06] | bruderbell: | I'm running a fully updated mythbuntu system, 11.04, mythtv 24.1. I was having some trouble with the ATI proprietary drivers causing freezes on the system (which I've since resolved). I was deleting one recording and the system froze, forcing a hard boot. The recording still shows in my menus, but there is no content there. Is there a way to manually get it off the list? |
| [03:49:24] | wagnerrp: | replace ATI with nVidia |
| [03:50:02] | bruderbell: | Indeed. I've since resolved my display troubles, but I still have that recording listed, though there is no content |
| [03:50:31] | [R]: | when you delete it, it should say "the file doesnt exist, would you like to remove it?" |
| [03:50:33] | wagnerrp: | the frontend should give you the option to force the delete, even though there is no content |
| [03:51:10] | bruderbell: | Let me check that. I've tried in mythweb to no avail but I'll check via the frontend again. |
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| [04:15:32] | bruderbell: | wagnerrp: it worked like magic to delete from the frontend. Is there something I could have done to let it behave the same way when deleting from mythweb? |
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| [04:24:49] | [R]: | wagnerrp: so i found a bug in my perfect suspend setup... my atsc tuner dies after suspend |
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| [04:51:44] | [R]: | am i doing somethign wrong? |
| [04:51:54] | [R]: | the broadcast message thing puts a modal popup on the screen |
| [04:51:59] | [R]: | how does one make it automatically disapear? |
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| [04:53:30] | [R]: | is there a secret decoder ring for --printsched? |
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| [04:53:55] | [R]: | aha, its on the wiki |
| [04:57:30] | [R]: | iamlindoro: you there? |
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| [07:20:52] | Beirdo: | http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1051513975/occupy-this-shirt |
| [07:20:55] | Beirdo: | muhahhaha |
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| [07:37:41] | justinh: | anyway, we lost the aerial connection to the backend yesterday & despite a few 0 byte recordings mythbackend just sat there doing its thing – and when the signal was restored it dilligently picked up in the middle of a scheduled recording. Amazing stuff |
| [07:39:33] | justinh: | Beirdo: lol. I hate all those 'occupy' people. just *what* are they realistically going to achieve? Nothing. That's what. The idiots |
| [07:39:53] | Beirdo: | yeah, I have to walk by em every day on the way to mey **JOB** |
| [07:40:01] | Beirdo: | something they need to get |
| [07:41:01] | justinh: | I mean yeah, the way things operate now is a bit unfair (to say the least) but it's gonna take way more than a bunch of crusties in tents protesting to change anything |
| [07:41:16] | Beirdo: | true |
| [07:41:27] | Beirdo: | it just pisses off the rest of the people around of them |
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| [07:54:58] | justinh: | oh. Clonezilla guy – don't bother asking for help in here again if all you're gonna do is ask the list anyway. Bastard users. They never frickin listen |
| [08:06:20] | justinh: | in future, when somebody wants to go ahead with a stupid idea I'm saying nothing |
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| [08:37:25] | Beirdo: | Well, off to bed for me. Tomorrow, I might get some video decode code grafted in here. |
| [08:37:47] | Beirdo: | getting close to having the core of the structure in place... |
| [08:38:16] | Beirdo: | but not even considering decoding audio in the GPU for now, that will be a severe PITA. |
| [08:38:27] | Beirdo: | processing it, sure, but not decoding |
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| [08:39:41] | Beirdo: | but that's been enough for today. |
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| [11:16:46] | Floppe: | I'm missing myththemes in packaging.git gentoo ebuilds. have all other Gentoo users Terra as theme ?-) |
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| [11:38:00] | Floppe: | ah, theme downloader.. |
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| [13:15:27] | justinh: | sigh. the company is doing away with its own mail server & moving to electricm@il |
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| [14:46:00] | wagnerrp: | justinh: italian? |
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| [14:56:30] | justinh: | I don't know/care where they're from. I know that it's a slippery slope |
| [14:56:47] | ** iamlindoro wonders if the users mailing list could make themselves sound even more like a bunch of sports-phobic shut-ins ** | |
| [14:56:54] | wagnerrp: | no, i mean electricm@il... il=italian |
| [14:57:01] | iamlindoro: | "Football is mean, I wants my stories!" |
| [14:57:25] | wagnerrp: | im just surprised no one has stooped to calling it handegg |
| [14:57:46] | justinh: | if you've never been inconvenienced by sports overrunning by *hours* it can be hard to sympathise |
| [14:57:50] | wagnerrp: | http://www.eatliver.com/img/2009/3849.jpg |
| [14:58:02] | justinh: | we missed Dr Who because wimbledon overran by FOUR HOURS or something once |
| [14:58:28] | iamlindoro: | justinh: I just accept it as a fact of life, and know I'll pick things up in repeats... or I'm watching the sports and adjust accordingly |
| [14:58:43] | justinh: | sports shouldn't be on TV anyway IMHO :-) |
| [14:58:43] | wagnerrp: | justinh: sure, everyone has had their recordings bumped or rescheduled by sports events |
| [14:58:54] | justinh: | or should be on their own channels |
| [14:59:01] | wagnerrp: | but gary buhrmaster is absolutely correct |
| [14:59:06] | iamlindoro: | I deal with sports events affecting the rest of the schedule a half dozen times a year... but I can't say I've ever considered it more than a mild inconvenience, if that |
| [14:59:21] | wagnerrp: | its not going anywhere, and arguing on some low volume linux dvr mailing list is ABSOLUTELY not going to change a thing |
| [14:59:26] | wagnerrp: | so suck it up and continue on with life |
| [14:59:28] | wagnerrp: | its just tv |
| [14:59:36] | justinh: | but the WAF! |
| [14:59:39] | justinh: | THE WAF!!!!!!!!111111111 |
| [14:59:46] | iamlindoro: | exactly... there's a cycling phrase... HTFU |
| [14:59:52] | iamlindoro: | Where H = harden |
| [15:00:48] | justinh: | pity there wasn't a similar show of attitude at the person bitching he was losing 3 seconds of recordings |
| [15:00:58] | justinh: | oh wait. there wasn't :) |
| [15:01:02] | ** wagnerrp goes a' spam cleanin' ** | |
| [15:01:27] | justinh: | hmm. wonder where today's announcement was. there was supposed to be one today |
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| [15:02:04] | wagnerrp: | whats this? |
| [15:02:17] | wagnerrp: | patricia johnson is actually a /different/ spammer |
| [15:02:23] | wagnerrp: | honing in on the first guy's turf |
| [15:02:27] | wagnerrp: | madness |
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| [15:03:30] | justinh: | bah. stupid manager isn't gonna sign off my requisition of a HD SDI/HDMI SSD recorder |
| [15:05:41] | ** wagnerrp debates banning Poland from the mailing list ** | |
| [15:05:45] | wagnerrp: | think anyone would care? |
| [15:06:12] | justinh: | a few poles might |
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| [15:09:54] | justinh: | ha. so it's a *reality* show people are missing because some game overruns by half an hour? LOL |
| [15:10:32] | wagnerrp: | no, its a scripted show |
| [15:10:47] | justinh: | my wife missed X Factor last night cos of the unplugged aerial scenario. I peeped over from behind my laptop & said "sh** happens". There's yer WAF |
| [15:13:57] | wagnerrp: | bad PSIP means V-Chip does not work??? |
| [15:14:08] | justinh: | got the makings of a script I'm gonna cron to check for that happening again. Dunno the best way to tell myself about it though. gmail syncing SUCKS on my droid phone |
| [15:14:12] | wagnerrp: | oh dear lord! would someone _please_ think of the _children_!!! |
| [15:14:26] | justinh: | lol |
| [15:15:31] | justinh: | they should get themselves one of those special disc players with builtin EDLs to skip sections to make any movie (in the database) family friendly |
| [15:15:55] | wagnerrp: | ffs... |
| [15:16:20] | wagnerrp: | you know, someone came in here a couple years back, wanting mythtv to support that |
| [15:16:29] | wagnerrp: | i had never even known such a thing existed |
| [15:16:41] | justinh: | they were around on mythtvtalk.com too |
| [15:16:43] | wagnerrp: | im amazed theres actually a sufficiently large market for people to make money off of it |
| [15:16:55] | wagnerrp: | it wouldnt be that difficult |
| [15:17:16] | justinh: | yes, but expressing a desire to have such features makes people so much more punchable |
| [15:17:19] | wagnerrp: | i mean you could probably whip together something in ~50–100 lines using the python bindings that would parse out those files, and insert cut lists |
| [15:17:50] | justinh: | hello parents! YOU are the ultimate v-chip |
| [15:18:00] | justinh: | did you get that? YOU |
| [15:18:15] | wagnerrp: | but its such a low volume feature, i cant believe anyone would expect mythtv to support it without writing the code themselves |
| [15:18:40] | justinh: | I can't people people are so uppity about things like that, that folks actually want it |
| [15:20:48] | ** justinh imagined people phoning in to complain about Janet Jackson's wardrobe malfunction that it a) didn't last long enough and b) didn't show enough ** | |
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| [15:22:17] | _abbenormal: | lol |
| [15:23:36] | wagnerrp: | i especially love the people in this discussion who think CBS is concerned that theyre pissing off DVR users |
| [15:26:35] | ** justinh wonders if the 'Christian' movement ever complains about all the violence on US TV ** | |
| [15:27:23] | wagnerrp: | and finally... Gary Grover is still a tool! |
| [15:27:49] | wagnerrp: | now just a bigger one that responds to digest emails |
| [15:39:31] | wagnerrp: | not so much |
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| [15:39:53] | wagnerrp: | justinh: violence on tv hardens the kids up, so they can go to war fighting the infidels |
| [15:41:33] | justinh: | does it work? last I knew PTSD etc are only on the increase |
| [15:42:29] | wagnerrp: | thats just because they did not pray to jesus for the strength to smite their enemies |
| [15:42:56] | justinh: | ah |
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| [16:24:50] | wagnerrp: | !seen devinheitmueller |
| [16:24:50] | MythLogBot: | devinheitmueller was last seen 11 hours 13 minutes 23 seconds ago |
| [16:30:49] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: The SDV guy is missing the fact that anything that is ClearQAM is not going to be in the SDV tier anyway |
| [16:30:58] | iamlindoro: | The ClearQAM channels will all be broadcast all the time |
| [16:31:13] | iamlindoro: | It's only the upper tiers that are going to be SDV |
| [16:31:41] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i think ive finally gotten that through to him |
| [16:31:47] | wagnerrp: | however, hes got an HVR-1800 |
| [16:31:58] | wagnerrp: | i was wondering if that still has trouble recording analog in mythtv |
| [16:35:49] | wagnerrp: | "native javascript h.264 decoder...." |
| [16:35:54] | wagnerrp: | wait... what...? |
| [16:36:11] | wagnerrp: | http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2011/ . . . formance.ars |
| [16:36:48] | wagnerrp: | next thing you know, theyre going to tell us we can boot a Linux virtual machine from within javascript in our browser |
| [16:37:26] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: does it run myth? |
| [16:41:25] | ** wagnerrp bets its comparable to playing flash video ** | |
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| [16:53:51] | willcooke: | Just typed this, but it doesn't look like it got through. Apologies if this is duplicated: |
| [16:54:10] | willcooke: | Hi folks, if you've been watching Mark Shuttleworth's keynote at UDS you will have seen him announce that Ubuntu is aiming to become a common platform across multiple devices including television. |
| [16:54:22] | willcooke: | We will be having a meeting here at UDS which you can also participate online via IRC and there should be some live video and audio feeds via the Ubuntu website. |
| [16:54:32] | willcooke: | We are planing on hearing people's ideas and getting input from anyone who might be interested. You can join #ubuntu-uds-curacao1 from 1500 EDT (20:00hrs zulu) |
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| [17:24:15] | lapion: | willcooke you still there ? |
| [17:25:47] | wagnerrp: | [13:07] * willcooke has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) |
| [17:26:00] | lapion: | yeah saw that one too late.. |
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| [18:20:12] | willcooke: | Hi lapion, sorry had to go to lunch and am having a few connection issues |
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| [18:24:05] | wagnerrp: | devinheitmueller: does the HVR-1800/1850 still have those analog recording issues with mythtv? |
| [18:24:30] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: I believe so. Steven's analog fixes haven't gone upstream yet (although some related ALSA stuff did finally get merged) |
| [18:25:22] | wagnerrp: | (in reference to mailing list thread you may have read) |
| [18:25:34] | sphery: | FWIW, http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_PCIe_Cards still says, "Note 3: Doesn't work with Mythtv, NTSC tuner seems unsupported currently." |
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| [18:25:59] | ** sphery just bought a new 2250--which should arrive this afternoon ** | |
| [18:26:37] | Beirdo: | yay |
| [18:27:20] | sphery: | after many years, I'll finally be able to remove that Thursday-night conflict! |
| [18:28:40] | devinheitmueller: | sphery: I believe the digital side of the board should work with myth. The problems are largely with the analog side. |
| [18:29:02] | ** wagnerrp prefers the term 'pissing into the wind' over 'swimming against the current' ** | |
| [18:29:02] | devinheitmueller: | Also, it largely depends on whether it's an 1800 or an 1850. They use different components, and the 1850 needed a bunch of new driver code. |
| [18:29:04] | Beirdo: | devinheitmueller: I've had about zero problems with either side |
| [18:29:16] | devinheitmueller: | Beirdo: you mean for digital, right? |
| [18:29:18] | Beirdo: | on my 2250 that is |
| [18:29:30] | Beirdo: | analog or digital, both work fine for me |
| [18:29:40] | devinheitmueller: | Beirdo: you lost me. We're talking about the 1800/1850, not the 2250. |
| [18:29:53] | devinheitmueller: | The 2250 is a completely different hardware design with different drivers. |
| [18:30:04] | Beirdo: | Oh, sorry, I was seeing sphery's purchase of a 2250 and got confused |
| [18:30:05] | wagnerrp: | sphery bought a 2250, not an 1800/1850 |
| [18:30:06] | Beirdo: | sorry :) |
| [18:30:12] | Beirdo: | yeah, different beasts |
| [18:30:13] | sphery: | devinheitmueller: yeah, note 3 was in reference to the NTSC side of 1800 |
| [18:30:19] | devinheitmueller: | sphery: yeah. |
| [18:30:20] | Beirdo: | oooh. |
| [18:30:29] | ** Beirdo goes back to his coffee :) ** | |
| [18:30:30] | sphery: | didn't know there were fixes for digital stuff that were required for mythtv, too |
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| [18:31:12] | sphery: | sorry for confusing everyone with my mention of 2250 |
| [18:31:19] | sphery: | I'm just very excited about it :) |
| [18:31:19] | devinheitmueller: | sphery: I don't think so. For the 1850, the changes required from the 1800 were all related to the analog side (the 1850 has an onboard DIF). That said, the cx23885 has a basic problem with analog which effects both cards. |
| [18:31:36] | sphery: | ohhh |
| [18:31:53] | wagnerrp: | isnt soccer 90 minutes, and the clock almost never stops? |
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| [18:34:53] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: 45min, 15min, 45min, no? |
| [18:35:08] | Beirdo: | i.e. the 15min is between halfs |
| [18:35:43] | wagnerrp: | i mean, mike perkins' mention that soccer rarely goes over holds no real weight |
| [18:35:43] | Beirdo: | I'd have to go to another game and pay attention :) |
| [18:35:49] | tgm4883: | does mythvideo still support external players? |
| [18:35:51] | wagnerrp: | because the clock simply never stops |
| [18:35:57] | tgm4883: | is it just storage groups that don't? |
| [18:35:57] | wagnerrp: | tgm4883: as much as it ever did |
| [18:36:01] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, ok thanks |
| [18:36:11] | Beirdo: | true, it will only go over if there's a shootout, which I think is only playoff games |
| [18:36:28] | wagnerrp: | but with the intent to move everything to storage groups, external players will likely be removed |
| [18:36:59] | wagnerrp: | or altered in some fashion to work |
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| [18:37:51] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, ok, I was just fixing a bug in one of our apps (control centre) that required me to look up the definition of each plugin and ran across that |
| [18:37:58] | tgm4883: | just wanted to make sure I'm being accurate |
| [18:40:20] | iamlindoro: | If there's an advertisement of external player functionality, it would be nice to remove it |
| [18:40:36] | iamlindoro: | It still exists, but making it real obvious will only cause pain for those who attempt to configure it |
| [18:40:52] | iamlindoro: | since we'll be breaking things for them in the not-too-distant-future |
| [18:43:39] | tgm4883: | iamlindoro, http://www.mythtv.org/detail/mythvideo |
| [18:43:43] | tgm4883: | that needs updating then |
| [18:43:58] | tgm4883: | and probably the reference to things like youtube removed/moved to a mythnetvision page |
| [18:44:00] | iamlindoro: | It also no longer exists as a plugin, so it basically needs removing |
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| [18:44:31] | tgm4883: | iamlindoro, it no longer exists as a plugin in master ;) |
| [18:44:40] | tgm4883: | unless there was a 0.25 release i'm unaware of |
| [18:44:40] | iamlindoro: | master is all there is, baby |
| [18:44:49] | iamlindoro: | Only the strong survive |
| [18:45:08] | tgm4883: | iamlindoro, i'm going to remember you said that when I push master to all mythbuntu users |
| [18:45:37] | iamlindoro: | Then when people ask questions, I can just say "You have been voted off the island, natural selection says you can't use MythTV" |
| [18:46:30] | tgm4883: | heh, nice |
| [18:46:57] | Beirdo: | can we vote the Occupy twits off the island that is North America? |
| [18:47:00] | iamlindoro: | /join #mythtv-gtfo |
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| [19:16:05] | dekarl: | wagnerrp, Beirdo: the soccer clock doesn't stop, but you get awarded extra time for both halves (single digit minutes). The only time when soccer goes over is in knock out tourneys with 30 minutes extension (15+5+15) and the shootout |
| [19:16:38] | Beirdo: | yeah, that sounds about right :) |
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| [19:32:52] | bumblebeebat: | Wondering if anyone has tired to use an HP Mediasmart E495 as a backend. it has an E-5200 cpu, 2 gigs ram, gigabit ethernet, 3 usb and room for 4 hard drives. It comes with windows home server but it is very easy to replace it with linux. Thought this might be a nice low power backend. The cpu's are upgradable to other 65w socket 775 chips. Any thoughts? |
| [19:33:17] | wagnerrp: | what is an E-5200? |
| [19:33:40] | wagnerrp: | 775, so presumably a core2 |
| [19:33:44] | wagnerrp: | what clock rate? |
| [19:33:47] | bumblebeebat: | Intel Pentium Dual Core E5200 2.5 GHz LGA775 |
| [19:34:07] | Beirdo: | http://ark.intel.com/products/37212/Intel-Pen . . . 800-MHz-FSB) |
| [19:34:10] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [19:34:17] | Beirdo: | Wolfdale core |
| [19:34:23] | wagnerrp: | should be decent enough, except for a complete lack of room for any expansion |
| [19:34:41] | Beirdo: | that's about what my frontend was before it blew the power supply |
| [19:34:47] | Beirdo: | I had a E5300, IIRC |
| [19:35:07] | wagnerrp: | stuff like firewire and hdhomeruns work |
| [19:35:21] | wagnerrp: | but many people around here have a distaste for usb |
| [19:35:35] | Beirdo: | but yeah, my backend box is a bit more powerful. |
| [19:35:52] | bumblebeebat: | I would be stuck to HD-PVR as it is not expandable |
| [19:36:05] | Beirdo: | and HDHomerun |
| [19:36:11] | wagnerrp: | who is your tv provider? |
| [19:36:31] | bumblebeebat: | It is mts, they offer a service like fios |
| [19:36:47] | wagnerrp: | know anything about their copy protection? |
| [19:37:11] | bumblebeebat: | I think it is encrypted |
| [19:37:18] | wagnerrp: | i.e.... copy-freely, copy-once, copy-never |
| [19:37:37] | bumblebeebat: | Oh, I have never asked |
| [19:37:39] | wagnerrp: | copy protection is a flag put on the broadcast, enforced by the cable box |
| [19:38:27] | bumblebeebat: | Well it is iptv, run off of a Motorola vip1200 and vip1216 |
| [19:39:13] | wagnerrp: | if its like verizon fios, then it is not iptv |
| [19:40:10] | bumblebeebat: | sorry guys uverse |
| [19:40:55] | bumblebeebat: | it would use the same system as AT&T Uverse |
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| [19:47:59] | iamlindoro: | So yes, with uVerse you're stuck with analog capture... not to mention the abysmal AT&T Picture Quality |
| [19:50:12] | wagnerrp: | well its technically not uverse, just the same system as uverse |
| [19:50:24] | wagnerrp: | potentially, he could be given better bitrates |
| [19:51:12] | iamlindoro: | If it's the same system, it's still fundamentally DSL to the user... which inherently limits how far they can go |
| [19:51:58] | wagnerrp: | well theres nothing preventing them from pumping that IP video over cable or fiber |
| [19:52:26] | iamlindoro: | besides the actually doing it;) |
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| [20:03:28] | bumblebeebat: | Yeah, the picture quality is not terrible |
| [20:04:08] | bumblebeebat: | I think they say it is a 12 to 16 mb/s for hd and 4–5 for sd |
| [20:04:56] | bumblebeebat: | Let me confirm those numbers |
| [20:07:39] | bumblebeebat: | I know this sounds kind of crazy, but I find the capture from the hd-pvr to seem better then the source. It seems smoother. |
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| [20:12:55] | wagnerrp: | i think uverse average around 6mbps for HD |
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| [20:30:11] | bumblebeebat: | All I could find is that 2 hd streams and 1 sd stream take up 16 mbps, Sounds like it might be a bit better than uverse but not much at all |
| [20:32:42] | wagnerrp: | 7/7/2 probably |
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| [20:35:17] | bumblebeebat: | Haha, I am thinking I might have jumped the gun, only time will tell, I just thought it would be nice to have all my backend gear away from the frontend |
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| [20:44:25] | k-man: | interesting comment on #9801 ;) |
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| [20:45:19] | Beirdo: | oh look, a jackass |
| [20:45:30] | dekarl: | needs to be closed with "trac is not a mailing list" ;) |
| [20:45:47] | Beirdo: | needs a "post your fix then, please" |
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| [20:46:57] | k-man: | hehe |
| [20:47:30] | sphery: | idiot |
| [20:48:39] | k-man: | it will be interesting to see if his fix lives up to the hype |
| [20:50:03] | sphery: | oh, but he can't possibly release the fix until we, the defensive-about-our-precious-project devs who minimize the presence and importance of bugs, start acting maturely and helpfully to help users" |
| [20:50:11] | sphery: | after all, that's how extortion works |
| [20:50:20] | sphery: | haven't you learned anything by watching the Anonymous idiots? |
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| [20:51:17] | dekarl: | aren't that the dudes that get taken by drug lords? |
| [20:51:44] | sphery: | we can only hope /they/ get taken out and not some innocent bystanders in their crusade |
| [20:51:57] | sphery: | I fully expect the latter to also get killed if they take on the cartel |
| [20:52:23] | ** sphery wonders who just started hacking his computer ** | |
| [20:53:10] | sphery: | Anon will publish full details of partially implemented MythTV patches in retaliation for being called 'idiots' |
| [20:55:21] | ** dekarl will show you how to make mythtv more like 0.21 with only a mythbuntu 9.04 image! ** | |
| [20:58:16] | Beirdo: | why do people have to be stupid? |
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| [21:25:00] | k-man: | in mythweb, can you hide channels from the listing? |
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| [21:32:56] | sphery: | make them not visible? |
| [21:33:04] | sphery: | though that affects web and frontend |
| [21:34:06] | sphery: | I don't think we have channel group support in mythweb, yet, but should |
| [21:34:31] | k-man: | sphery, yes, I was thinking more along the channel group support line |
| [21:34:33] | sphery: | k-man: http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8075 |
| [21:35:06] | ** sphery might actually just put that in ** | |
| [21:35:22] | k-man: | thanks |
| [21:35:29] | sphery: | if you want to do some testing and provide some feedback, that would make me more comfortable about doing so |
| [21:35:40] | sphery: | should be easy enough to patch since it doesn't require recompile |
| [21:36:49] | k-man: | ok, ill have a look |
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| [21:38:52] | k-man: | hmm... it fails to patch on a few things |
| [21:40:16] | sphery: | yeah, might need some updates |
| [21:40:45] | sphery: | I may be able to try to update the patch after chasing off all the little gremlins looking to play tricks on my house |
| [21:42:40] | k-man: | ok, no hurry – I'm just trying to have a look at the patch myself to see how difficult it might be to update |
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| [21:43:03] | k-man: | my version of mythweb is pretty old anyway I think. I suppose I should update that first come to think of it |
| [21:43:16] | sphery: | not much has changed in mythweb in 0.24 |
| [21:43:23] | sphery: | but couldn't hurt to update it |
| [21:51:12] | k-man: | can I just cp -a mythweb/* /var/www/mythweb? |
| [21:52:19] | k-man: | oh, nevermind, the versions are the same |
| [21:52:34] | jpabq_: | I really wish Apple would stop spamming me. |
| [21:52:40] | k-man: | oh- no they aren't |
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| [22:30:06] | dekarl: | Beirdo: shall I add to #10023 that one usual DVB-T feed results in 700mb of temporary table and a full DVB-C feed is ~5GB temp table? |
| [22:31:48] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [22:32:08] | Beirdo: | well, I'm gonna let sphery take a good look at the changes |
| [22:33:22] | dekarl: | I just saw you move it over and noticed that I didn't add these data points to the ticket. But as everyone on irc that day seemed to be in favor of dropping the time search completely... I'll see what happens |
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| [22:38:41] | jpabq_: | 1 |
| [22:38:50] | Beirdo: | 2? |
| [22:42:39] | sphery: | 4 |
| [22:51:54] | iamlindoro: | a million, I win |
| [22:52:19] | iamlindoro: | ps, game over, no takebacks |
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| [22:56:25] | awalls: | Number 9 |
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