Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, October 24th, 2011, 00:02 UTC

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Shadow__X:

high-rez: you can always call comcast, in my experience aslong as you stay polite (and if need be call back to talk to someone else) you can wind up with decent packages

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Shadow__X:

but of course this could vary greatly of region so ymmv

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[R]:

wagnerrp: so mythweb says it looked up metadata for a recording... where is this mythical metdata? i see no images or annything in my storage direoctires

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wagnerrp:

metadata gets stored to the database

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wagnerrp:

artwork gets stored to the same storage directories you defined for mythvideo

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[R]:

yeah, i see no artwork for it

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wagnerrp:

it claims to have run successfully? no errors?

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[R]:

Look up Metadata (Finished: Sat Oct 22, 2011, 04:25 PM)

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[R]:

Metadata Lookup Complete.

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[R]:

well i defintely see textual metadata

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[R]:

it has directors and producers listed

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wagnerrp:

much of that may come from schedules direct

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wagnerrp:

good indicator as to whether it worked is if you have season/episode set

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[R]:

this is a movie

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[R]:

blah, i told it to record this movie on any channel, and the program id for it is different on two channels, so its going to record both

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[R]:

2011-10–23 17:21:15.392502 I Running Grabber: /usr/share/mythtv/metadata/Movie/tmdb.py -l en -M

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[R]:

! Error: There must be a non-empty argument, yours is empty.

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[R]:

wagnerrp: tahts the output from mythmetadatalookup, what does that mean?

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wagnerrp:

you have no title

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wagnerrp:

-M performs a title search

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wagnerrp:

but for some reason you didnt actually provide a title

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[R]:

thats what the program is doing

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[R]:

mythmetadatalookup --chanid 1549 --starttime 1319392500

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[R]:

thats how i am running it, is that wrong?

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wagnerrp:

1319392500?

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[R]:

is that not the correct format?

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wagnerrp:

i dont believe it support unix timestamps

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[R]:

thats what i pulled out of mythweb

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[R]:

lemme try that weird format with the T

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[R]:

ok, that one worked better

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[R]:

so the grabber fan, but i'm still not seeing artwork

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[R]:

and running the grabber manually and looking at the output, there is

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** Beirdo yawns **

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Beirdo:

OK such fun. Now have a C++ class to encapsulate the OpenCL devices (not terribly encapsulated yet)

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wagnerrp:

doxygen doesnt seem to do overloading without assistance

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Beirdo:

sad

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wagnerrp:

all of these methods it marks as references are actually calling that third constructor... http://code.mythtv.org/doxygen/classCommandLi . . . feeaa9f57145

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[R]:

aha

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[R]:

why is mythmetadownloader telling it not to get the images

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Beirdo:

suckage

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wagnerrp:

that reminds me, i need to figure out why minke keeps faulting

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wagnerrp:

it runs fine manually

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wagnerrp:

but as far as i can tell, the exact same command fails through the jobqueue

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wagnerrp:

ice cream sandwich will take 16GB and 5hrs to compile on an 8-core workstation

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wagnerrp:

wtf...

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[R]:

that can't be right...

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wagnerrp:

i mean youve got the kernel, application tool set, and a hand full of applications

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[R]:

i compile gingerbread on my crappy laptop

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wagnerrp:

you could probably build a gentoo system from scratch with gnome, firefox, thunderbird, gvim, and some other stuff in ~2hrs on that machine

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[R]:

it takes a few hours... but nothign like 16gb and 8 core

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[R]:

i think thats gotta be wrong

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wagnerrp:

assuming high speed disk

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wagnerrp:

(SSD or such)

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wagnerrp:

5 hours to compile, 25 minutes of wall time

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wagnerrp:

so... not using a high speed disk

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[R]:

hrm, my theme isn't very conducive to artwork

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wagnerrp:

so, amazing discovery... small random file access does not work well with rotational storage

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[R]:

wagnerrp: waht is the "correct" way to tell myth the inetref for something?

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wagnerrp:

for tv shows, tell the recording rule

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wagnerrp:

for movies that are already recorded, you may as well just edit the individual recording

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

there should be a button in mythweb "set inetref"

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[R]:

aha

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wagnerrp:

would you look at that!

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wagnerrp:

hey, i completely forgot i had recorded this...

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wagnerrp:

chuck norris fights david carradine with bazookas, grenades, and tanks

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[R]:

so i was playing something in mplayer, and i was like "this looks horribly interlaced"... sure enough ,it was 1080i

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wagnerrp:

oh orion pictures, how i miss thee

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Beirdo:

I think the next chunk for me would be to use a RingBuffer to read the file, and demux video and audio into independent queues

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wagnerrp:

when chuck norris wildly sprays uzi fire, the bullets all hit the same target

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wagnerrp:

hey, its the weird tribal guy from Voyager

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wagnerrp:

and david carradine isnt masquerading as an asian

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[R]:

ith no less than 16 GB RAM to build the source code, twice the amount Gingerbread needed.

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[R]:

wagnerrp: see, i have 3gb... and i can build gingerbread just fine...

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wagnerrp:

well surely you just run it with fewer 'j's

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wagnerrp:

someone attacked chuck's daughter

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wagnerrp:

there will be detached body parts...

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iamlindoro:

Roundhouse kick decap

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wagnerrp:

HAHAHAHAHA

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wagnerrp:

they buried him in his truck

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wagnerrp:

so he takes a nap, drinks a beer, and then proceeds to drive out of the grave

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wagnerrp:

a bulldozer and an APC play chicken at 3mph

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[R]:

apc?

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wagnerrp:

armored personal carrier

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[R]:

lol

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wagnerrp:

tank with no turret

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wagnerrp:

so the bad guy kills his girlfriend, and in retaliation, he kills the bad guy with a grenade about 10 seconds later

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wagnerrp:

and... thats it... hes over the girlfriend

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wagnerrp:

everyone is happy, they take off in a helicopter back across the border and leave her body there like nothing ever happened

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cerise4096:

Hey — I just got a TV tuner card and installed it.

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cerise4096:

I know pretty much nothing about v4l or any of that.

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wagnerrp:

or linux for that matter

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cerise4096:

Where's a good place to start learning about how all this stuff works?

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wagnerrp:

first thing, root should only ever be used for administrative tasks

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wagnerrp:

IRC clients are decidedly not one of those

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cerise4096:

wagnerrp: Oh. You WERE talking to me.

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cerise4096:

wagnerrp: It's called SELinux.

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wagnerrp:

huh?

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cerise4096:

Yeah. That's what I thought.

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cerise4096:

SELinux — in which root is not a superuser because there *is* no superuser.

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cerise4096:

Everything is policy driven.

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cerise4096:

root is just another user.

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wagnerrp:

what tuner card?

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cerise4096:

It's only been around for the last 7 years or so.

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cerise4096:

hvr2250

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wagnerrp:

yeah, selinux was some NSA project about a decade ago

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cerise4096:

...that's still in the kernel mainline...

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wagnerrp:

still doesnt mean one should be running root as their primary user

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cerise4096:

and supported by Red Hat, its variants, Debian, and Gentoo.

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cerise4096:

root is *just* another user in SELinux.

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cerise4096:

Also, you do realize how easy it is to spoof usermasks in IRC, right?

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wagnerrp:

yes, but generally the only people using 'root' as their user mask are brand new users

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cerise4096:

And that's why they call it a generalization!

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cerise4096:

http://www.coker.com.au/selinux/play.html

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wagnerrp:

ive never heard of someone intentionally naming themselves root

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cerise4096:

if root wasn't a reserved nick on Freenode, I'd have it.

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wagnerrp:

in any case, any of the big name distros should come with the necessary drivers and firmware pre-installed

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wagnerrp:

(for the 2250)

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cerise4096:

Well — I had to work for the firmware, but yeah. I've got that and I've got my /dev/dvb/ directory populated

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wagnerrp:

digital drivers were merged late in the .2x series

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cerise4096:

adapter0 and 1.

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wagnerrp:

i think analog support got added around .37 or so

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wagnerrp:

well then youre done

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wagnerrp:

thats all the setup you need for the driver side

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cerise4096:

What's the simplest way of proving that it works?

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cerise4096:

I hooked up the adapter to the output of my cable box

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wagnerrp:

no, it doesnt work that way

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wagnerrp:

your cable box only outputs a single NTSC signal

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wagnerrp:

meaning digital support on that card is gone to waste

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wagnerrp:

and you can only use one of the analog encoders

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wagnerrp:

the F-connector on that card should be connected directly to the antenna or cable line coming into the house

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wagnerrp:

if you need to capture from a cable box or other stb, use svideo

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wagnerrp:

you should have gotten a daughter card that connects to one of the white headers on that card

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cerise4096:

Yep.

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wagnerrp:

that functions as a breakout connector for a second set of svideo inputs

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wagnerrp:

meaning you can use those to connect to two cable boxes

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cerise4096:

Hm. Ok. Then I guess I should order a nice long svideo cable.

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wagnerrp:

nice long? what for?

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cerise4096:

Is it possible (albeit suboptimal) to get anything over my current setup?

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wagnerrp:

just stick both STBs right next to the backend

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cerise4096:

well — for various reasons, I have the system I'm using for this about 20 feet away in a closet.

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cerise4096:

My hope had been to do this on a headless system, save broadcasts down to an NFS share, and make them visible in the house that way

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wagnerrp:

so you stick your cable boxes in the closet with the backend

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cerise4096:

or — I figured in the worst case — I could use X's remote display to run things off of that system

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wagnerrp:

well.. kind of

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wagnerrp:

youre not going to be running video over remote X

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cerise4096:

seems to do OK for playing files via mplayer.

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wagnerrp:

depends on the network and content

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wagnerrp:

youre not going to get hardware decoding working remotely, that all requires drm

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wagnerrp:

which means best case, youre sending raw yuv video

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cerise4096:

Is hardware decoding really a possibility?

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wagnerrp:

a DVD is going to be 720x480, 24p... roughly 100Mbps

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cerise4096:

I figured cable companies would look down on that.

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wagnerrp:

look down on that?

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wagnerrp:

hardware decoding of video

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wagnerrp:

meaning you feed compressed video into your graphics card, and it does all the decoding and playback

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cerise4096:

Oh — I see what you mean.

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wagnerrp:

as opposed to recompressing in software and feeding raw frames into your graphics card

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cerise4096:

So for that, I'd really need to run a VGA cable over.

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cerise4096:

That wasn't exactly what I had in mind when I started this project

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wagnerrp:

but just look at the numbers, a DVD will be 100Mbps, 720p60 will be 660Mbps, 1080i30 will be 750Mbps

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wagnerrp:

i mean in theory, you could do it over gigabit

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wagnerrp:

but it wouldnt be pretty

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wagnerrp:

log vga would work, long dvi/hdmi would be better, a dedicated frontend right next to the tv would be best

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wagnerrp:

second thing, you talk about a long svideo cable to run between the cable box and the backend

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wagnerrp:

which seems to indicate the backend is in the closet, while the cable box is next to the tv

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wagnerrp:

with mythtv, you dont touch the cable box

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wagnerrp:

you tell mythtv what channel to record on, and it controls the cable box over IR or firewire

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cerise4096:

Ok — good. I'm set up more or less for that once I run a length of svideo.

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wagnerrp:

mythtv would have no way of knowing if someone were using the cable box

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wagnerrp:

if someone changes the channel on it mid recording, it cannot correct

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cerise4096:

Right.

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wagnerrp:

so it doesnt even try

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wagnerrp:

mythtv assumes it gets dedicated access to all hardware

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cerise4096:

I rarely watch live tv which is why I started on this.

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wagnerrp:

you can use IR for control, but that can be flaky to set up

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wagnerrp:

if your STB has a firewire port, a better option is to use that to change channels

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wagnerrp:

who is your cable provider?

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cerise4096:

comcast.

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wagnerrp:

with comcast, a third option would be a cablecard tuner

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wagnerrp:

see HDHomeRun Prime, or DCR-2650 (basically the same device)

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cerise4096:

It does have firewire on the back — that's pretty cool.

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wagnerrp:

with cablecard tuners, mythtv is allowed to access any channels marked 'copy freely', or drm free

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wagnerrp:

comcast transmits nearly everything but the premium channels as copy freely

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cerise4096:

Ok.

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wagnerrp:

so rather than 2x$10/mo for cable box rentals, capturing standard definition content through the two svideo ports on the -2250

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wagnerrp:

you get a $150 box, and a $4/mo cablecard rental

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cerise4096:

I can see the advantage to that

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wagnerrp:

the disadvantage is that were up to the whim of the cablecompany as to what is 'copy freely'

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wagnerrp:

comcast and verizon have been good in that regard

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wagnerrp:

time warner screws yo

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wagnerrp:

u

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cerise4096:

Cool.

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cerise4096:

Are cablecard tuners here to stay?

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wagnerrp:

they were actually on the way out maybe two years ago

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wagnerrp:

there were only a handful of capable devices on the market, due to stringent licensing terms CableLabs was using specifically to prevent such devices

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wagnerrp:

so the FCC was planning on abandoning the whole system and forcing something new

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wagnerrp:

CableLabs loosened up to prevent that from happening

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Beirdo:

yup. mythtv-setup is ... borked.

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wagnerrp:

which is why cablecard tuners have only been an option since... july?

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: when did the primes start shipping?

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Beirdo:

not sure, a few months. I didn't really pay much attention as I don't need one :)

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wagnerrp:

to be honest, mythtv has had support for the hdhomerun prime since april 2010, and a couple of the silicondust employees were actually using it at that time

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wagnerrp:

the hardware was production ready back then

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wagnerrp:

and it sat in engineering review at cablelabs for a year

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cerise4096:

Ok — I'll have to think about that.

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Beirdo:

Hmmm, wonder who the heck borked this borked code

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cerise4096:

It's good to know it's an option.

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wagnerrp:

for now... i wouldnt bother trying to mess with the STBs

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wagnerrp:

just plug the card directly into the cable line

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wagnerrp:

and use whatever you get unencrypted

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wagnerrp:

likely not to be more than the local broadcast channels

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wagnerrp:

but pretty quick to get running

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wagnerrp:

and will let you get a feel for mythtv

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cerise4096:

Is it possible to get it to capture whatever the output of the STB is?

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cerise4096:

There's always room for improvement, but I'm trying to figure out whether I should drop this until I get a length of svideo nad a cablecard tuner.

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cerise4096:

8)

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cerise4096:

*and

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wagnerrp:

svideo is for capturing from the cable box using the -2250

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wagnerrp:

the cablecard tuner would be connected directly to the cable line in place of the cable box

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cerise4096:

Ok, so it's not possible to capture from the stb as I have it now: with a coax cable running from the stb to the 2250.

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wagnerrp:

in linux, analog and digital capture is handled independently

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wagnerrp:

even though the -2250 is a hybrid tuner

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wagnerrp:

and it is technically the same hardware doing both analog and digital

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wagnerrp:

in linux, they show up as two different devices

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wagnerrp:

digital is the /dev/dvb/*

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wagnerrp:

analog is /dev/video*

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cerise4096:

Huh — cool!

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Beirdo:

OK, I'm gonna bisect for the borked mythtv-setup

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wagnerrp:

do you have mplayer installed?

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Beirdo:

since nobody else is currently bothering

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wagnerrp:

or any form of video player?

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cerise4096:

I do. I don't have any /dev/video* nodes though

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wagnerrp:

what kernel version?>

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cerise4096:

2.6.32.2 — I guess that's a few revisions too early.

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wagnerrp:

yeah, for analog, youll need something much newer

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cerise4096:

(you said .37 earlier)

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wagnerrp:

or you need to compile and install the modules manually

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wagnerrp:

i cant help you with that

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wagnerrp:

however... should you get it working

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cerise4096:

Ehh — I needed the excuse to update to 3.0

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Beirdo:

yeah, it went into the vanilla kernel in .37

[03:07:28]

wagnerrp:

the 2250 is a hardware encoder cards

[03:07:37]

wagnerrp:

meaning those device nodes output compressed mpeg2

[03:07:48]

wagnerrp:

you can cat them to a file, and get mpeg2 video out

[03:07:52]

iamlindoro:

[R]: mythmetadatalookup isn't telling it not to get artwork-- you're not telling it to get artwork

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wagnerrp:

makes for a very simple way to test

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cerise4096:

Awesome. Ok 8)

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iamlindoro:

One operation looks up inetref, season, and episode for an item, which is the one you are running. One other set of operations grabs artwork for recordings which have that information set-- and you're not running it

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wagnerrp:

the device nodes will have access to several inputs each (tuner, two composite, and two svideo)

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iamlindoro:

back to the instructions :P

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wagnerrp:

you can use v4l2-ctl to control which one is connected

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cerise4096:

Awesome. 8)

[03:10:44]

cerise4096:

Ok, so I guess I'll be back some other day when I get ahold of a cablecard tuner and lengths of svideo and firewire.

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wagnerrp:

s/and/or/

[03:11:23]

wagnerrp:

if you use analog capture on the -2250, then you need svideo to connect it to the cable box, and firewire or ir to control it

[03:11:44]

wagnerrp:

if you use a cablecard tuner, you scrap it all and only have the cablecard tuner (perhaps you keep the -2250 for unencrypted channels)

[03:12:29]

wagnerrp:

the cablecard tuner completely replaces the cable box and analog capture card (2250)

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cerise4096:

I see.

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cerise4096:

I'll have to think about that.

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cerise4096:

I guess since I'm within the return window, I should think about starting to use this for analog capture

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iamlindoro:

[R]: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Enhancing_Recordin . . . adata_Lookup Once you have set your recording rules up with correct inetrefs, you should enable the nightly artwork update job, as described in the instructions

[03:13:57]

cerise4096:

and if that's not good enough for me, then I can return it and go for a cablecard tuner.

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iamlindoro:

[R]: And why are you manually invoking it instead of running it from the jobs submenu on the recordings screen?

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cerise4096:

Alright. Thanks a lot, wagnerrp. 8)

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[R]:

iamlindoro: i ran the job from mythweb but it dindt grab the artwork

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iamlindoro:

[R]: That's not an artwork grab

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iamlindoro:

It's a lookup

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[R]:

yeah, tahts what i was tryign to do

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[R]:

it had already gotten the metadata

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iamlindoro:

So run the proper command to get artwork

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[R]:

i eventually fitgued that out

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iamlindoro:

and/or enable the job that does so nightly

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[R]:

i also chekced that afterwrads also

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Beirdo:

hehe, oops.

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Beirdo:

forgot to put -j 3 on this box

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wagnerrp:

"I'll P to V my master backend"

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wagnerrp:

oh crap, they have a catch phrase now!

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[R]:

what?

[03:39:09]

wagnerrp:

esxi thread

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[R]:

oh ffs

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[R]:

i just dont get it

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[R]:

whats the point

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Beirdo:

just to say they did it?

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wagnerrp:

but where does that get you?

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wagnerrp:

so you did it, now you have to put it back

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Beirdo:

bragging points?

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Beirdo:

OK, build #3

[03:46:52]

Beirdo:

la la la. build 4

[03:53:33]

Beirdo:

and... #5

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Beirdo:

I'll find the offending commit shortly :)

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: HAHAHAHAAHAHAH

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: A guy from VMWare just chimed in and can't figure out WTF reason they would do that for

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iamlindoro:

WIN

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wagnerrp:

well thats just lovely

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Beirdo:

87b89dee6c8c6a4ffd89ca5857de4a4e791fcd82 is the first bad commit

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Beirdo:

boom

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Beirdo:

Captain_Murdoch: you in? :)

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darkstarbyte:

Do I have to join Schedules Direct for listings?

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wagnerrp:

are you in north america?

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darkstarbyte:

Yeah

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wagnerrp:

not much worthwhile guide data besides schedules direct

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wagnerrp:

youre only likely to get 12–24 hours out of broadcast eit data

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wagnerrp:

and its just as likely to be gibberish as anything meaningful

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darkstarbyte:

I was hoping to capture channels broadcasted over the air

[04:32:04]

wagnerrp:

yes, thats the EIT data that is of little use over here

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darkstarbyte:

?

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wagnerrp:

the guide data that is broadcast with TV is called 'eit'

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wagnerrp:

the fcc only mandates that channels provide 12 hours of such

[04:33:25]

wagnerrp:

so thats all most channels provide

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darkstarbyte:

perfect

[04:34:14]

wagnerrp:

note that they only have to provide the stream descriptors for 12 hours of data

[04:34:23]

wagnerrp:

they dont actually have to provide 12 hours of meaningful data

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wagnerrp:

it could just be the series name, no episode title

[04:34:40]

wagnerrp:

it may just be a bunch of half hour 'unknown's

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darkstarbyte:

I know when most of my shows air.

[04:35:10]

wagnerrp:

thats not the purpose of mythtv

[04:35:16]

darkstarbyte:

dang

[04:35:17]

wagnerrp:

youre not supposed to care when your shows air

[04:35:28]

darkstarbyte:

I just want it to record it

[04:35:34]

wagnerrp:

you tell mythtv to record a show, mythtv finds and records every episode of that show

[04:35:41]

wagnerrp:

its the same way all DVRs are designed to operate

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darkstarbyte:

even better

[04:36:07]

wagnerrp:

but in order to do that, you need good guide data

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darkstarbyte:

cbs?

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wagnerrp:

?

[04:36:48]

darkstarbyte:

the channel

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wagnerrp:

what about it?

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darkstarbyte:

I thought you knew if the eit data was descriptive

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darkstarbyte:

or not

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wagnerrp:

that is entirely up to your local affiliate

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darkstarbyte:

ok

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wagnerrp:

your cbs and my cbs are not likely to have anything in common, beside they both run 1080i for everything

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darkstarbyte:

oh ok

[04:38:37]

wagnerrp:

each affiliate has their own engineers running their own hardware with their own custom configuration

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darkstarbyte:

I get it now.

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darkstarbyte:

Thanks for the information

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: the mythtv-setup crash... is due to the changes to MythScreen, it seems

[04:41:33]

Beirdo:

if it brings up the language choice, it craps when it closes it

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Beirdo:

likely because it is trying to use MythMainWindow ... in a function chain that traces back to "delete mainWin"

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Beirdo:

i.e. destroyMainWindow

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Beirdo:

heh

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darkstarbyte:

I am still in the process of setting mythtv up, and I was wondering if it would be appropriate to ask a question about MySQL?

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wagnerrp:

depends on the question

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wagnerrp:

wont know until you ask it

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darkstarbyte:

It is an error that I got

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darkstarbyte:

When I ran mysql_secure_installation

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wagnerrp:

dont hear many people manually installing mysql these days

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darkstarbyte:

arch linux

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Beirdo:

yup. It's precisely that commit

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darkstarbyte:

Well I am going to list the error I got.

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darkstarbyte:

ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)

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wagnerrp:

is mysqld running?

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darkstarbyte:

Most likely not

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darkstarbyte:

I don't remember starting it

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wagnerrp:

mythtv cant do anything until you get mysql up and running

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darkstarbyte:

Anything I can do to make it start on boot?

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wagnerrp:

mysql is used to store everything, except how to access the mysql server

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wagnerrp:

that would be something to ask your distro

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wagnerrp:

try #archlinux

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wagnerrp:

usually done through init scripts and their init system

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darkstarbyte:

I will, thanks.

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: as time goes by, i dislike the freebsd rc system more and more

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Beirdo:

hehe

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darkstarbyte:

I am new mysql; but I would like to know how to start it without rebooting for now.

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wagnerrp:

why would you have to reboot?

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wagnerrp:

just call the relevant init script

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darkstarbyte:

ok

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wagnerrp:

there is very little reason to ever reboot a linux machine

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wagnerrp:

hardware and kernel changes are about it

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wagnerrp:

just about everything else can be done without bringing the machine down

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Beirdo:

there. Put in a ticket to Captain_Murdoch to fix that commit breaking mythtv-setup

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[R]:

so i think i need a new theme that is more condusive to artwork

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[R]:

the one i use now the background is the artwork, but then with everything ontop of it... you can't really see it

[05:21:50]

[R]:

"I am trying to comprehend the advantages of such a set up but I am not

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[R]:

getting convinced."

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[R]:

haha, doesnt ESX cost $$$ also?

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wagnerrp:

there are free versions available

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[R]:

As a side note I work for VMware on ESX/ESXi but never imagined mythtv

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[R]:

to be one of the workloads that would be virtualized.

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[R]:

HAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH

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wagnerrp:

seems the free version comes with a memory limit, cpu limit, and core limit

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wagnerrp:

plus it functions as an independent unit

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wagnerrp:

no fancy management tools, no linking with other hypervisors for migration, HA, etc...

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wagnerrp:

they say 6 cores per processor

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wagnerrp:

i wonder what they do with the new bulldozer chips

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wagnerrp:

since they dont really have cores in the traditional sense

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[R]:

artificial licensing limits annoy me

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[R]:

then again... licensing as a whole annoys me

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[R]:

wagnerrp: how do i get into the web config? it asks for a user/pass and i can't figure out which one it wnats

[05:30:07]

wagnerrp:

there is only the one, statically defined in the code

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

i take it if i try to use it, it's going to kill kittens?

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wagnerrp:

i cant tell you the user/pass

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[R]:

i do think the new "last ten recordings" thing is pretty snazzy

[05:32:13]

wagnerrp:

(i used it once, and its been stored in my firefox profile ever since... i dont remember what it is)

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wagnerrp:

:)

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** iamlindoro hastens to note that there is only one *default* username and password... but that you can set it after you get in, like any other default configured web service **

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wagnerrp:

finished beating down that coyote with a stick?

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iamlindoro:

nope

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iamlindoro:

backend is dead

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wagnerrp:

oh, it is configurable?

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iamlindoro:

needs more fixing than I'm able to do on a Sunday night

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iamlindoro:

yes

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iamlindoro:

right there in the Utilities submenu

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wagnerrp:

what do you know... 'change password

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wagnerrp:

'

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iamlindoro:

Guess this means the work I did on some new API services is toast, sigh

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wagnerrp:

you mean the hardware itself is dead?

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iamlindoro:

Pretty sure the primary disk is dead

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iamlindoro:

Presumably the RAID will be fine when I reassemble it, but the OS/Boot disk seems done for

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wagnerrp:

no mirror for that?

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iamlindoro:

no, boot is just a plain ol' disk

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iamlindoro:

Everything of value is on the RAID, including ~, my media, etc. but not /src

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iamlindoro:

oh well, needed a cleanup anyway, and DB gets backed up daily so that won't be an issue

[05:37:01]

iamlindoro:

(again presuming the RAID is fine)

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[R]:

iamlindoro: so i can't find where the default is...

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iamlindoro:

You're running master, read the commits ;)

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

you're gonna make me look through them all?

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iamlindoro:

Why shouldn't you? You can get it in one git log search

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[R]:

i dont have a git tree

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[R]:

just an exported tree

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iamlindoro:

So get one

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[R]:

lol

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iamlindoro:

Seriously... you're running master, that means you're supposed to read commits religiously

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[R]:

i do

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iamlindoro:

I'm not trying to be a jerk, but come on

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[R]:

BUT... i just switched

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[R]:

so when the commit happened

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[R]:

i dint care

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wagnerrp:

if nothing else, you could always just spend a few minutes digging through the code

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[R]:

thats what im trying now

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wagnerrp:

found it!

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wagnerrp:

8hDRxR1+E/n3/s3YUOhF+lUw7n4=

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[R]:

ah, found it in the code

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[R]:

ah, i was on the right track

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wagnerrp:

now you just have to figure out how to reverse an sha1

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[R]:

i jsut forgot to check the default vaule for when it wasn't in the db

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[R]:

the comment has it decoded

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wagnerrp:

hey, no peeking

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[R]:

wow, this is suepr fancy

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[R]:

i love jQuery

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Beirdo:

OK, I think I'm done coding for tonight

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Beirdo:

got the consumer threads in, the queues to feed them, the lists that they'll put output into.

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Beirdo:

need to actually pull packets from the file and feed to appropriate queues, then start implementing the actual work parts :)

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justinh:

haha. I like that. Somebody who actually works for vmware questioning the rationale behind running mythtv in a VM

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laga:

"I work for VMWare and I'd like to tell you: GTFO."

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justinh:

be interesting to see the answers people give

[07:55:43]

justinh:

anything other than "errr, just because" may get special points

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laga:

heh

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justinh:

when the part of a company my wife works for was taken over by another firm, they got rid of all the virtual desktops. suddenly productivity increased

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justinh:

I don't see virtualisation as a bad thing as such, but it would seem a lot of folks are doing it badly, or without good reason

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prologic:

For what reason would I want to --enable-sdl for mythplugins?

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justinh:

for mythmusic visualisations, I think

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justinh:

so basically, don't bother :-)

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prologic:

ahh

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prologic:

just enable the other visualizations instead?

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justinh:

I don't bother with visualisations

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justinh:

the projectM ones were always too crashy so I gave up on them all

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prologic:

fair enough

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prologic:

out of interest, are the any alternative web interfaces for mythtv?

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prologic:

as opposed to mythweb

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prologic:

Do I need to create storage groups for the MythVideos and MythMusic plugins?

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prologic:

Hmm how strange

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prologic:

I think I'm having video playback issues in the frntend (same hw as the backend)

[09:22:31]

prologic:

there's no high cpu load though

[09:22:41]

prologic:

but the video playback seems a little slow and out of sync a tiny bit

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prologic:

ideas?

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styelz:

disable composite in xorg ?

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prologic:

you really think that's what's causing it?

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prologic:

I actually have no xorg config atm

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styelz:

thats what caused mine

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prologic:

I'd have to generate one

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prologic:

kk

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prologic:

I'll give that a go – thanks :)

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styelz:

Section "Extensions"

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styelz:

Option "Composite" "Disable"

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styelz:

EndSection

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prologic:

I'm assuming of course that video is general is okay

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prologic:

using the i910 driver for the onbaord intel gfx

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styelz:

im using nvidia, vdpau

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prologic:

could I get away with an xorg.conf with just that in it?

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styelz:

dont know

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prologic:

and leave it work out the rest?

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styelz:

try it

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prologic:

kk

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styelz:

i think its only nvidia specific

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styelz:

not really sure. read this

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styelz:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/XvMC#INTEL_2

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prologic:

hmm

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prologic:

that seemed to have no effect

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** prologic reads **

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dekarl:

The Compositing Extension has nothing to do with the graphics card... And wrt XvMC might start from the top of the page ... XvMC is no longer recommended for use for any content. ...

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prologic:

hmm

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prologic:

hmm

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prologic:

so if xvmc is not recommended now

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prologic:

what is?

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prologic:

I'm running 0.24.1 here

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prologic:

hmmm

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prologic:

seems chacnging the TV Settings -> Playback fixed it

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prologic:

from CPU+

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prologic:

to High Quality

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prologic:

went back to the no xorg.conf

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prologic:

hrmmm

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prologic:

I take it all back

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prologic:

not fixed

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prologic:

the frontend/backend box still isn't as smooth as the frontend on my desktop

[10:53:25]

prologic:

http://paste.pocoo.org/show/497292/

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prologic:

here's my problem

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prologic:

but I don't yet know how to fix it

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justinh:

X11 video output over a network socket? *ouch*

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justinh:

looks like there's no Xv on that system. that's a big problem

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prologic:

well ok here's the thing

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justinh:

what video driver are you trying to use?

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prologic:

there has to be something

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prologic:

cause Mythbuntu got it "right"

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prologic:

I believe it's using the intel driver

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prologic:

according to the X logs

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justinh:

on what hardware? something too new to be supported properly?

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prologic:

00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Sandy Bridge Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09

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prologic:

I am using a fairly recent kernel

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prologic:

and did compile (I thought) the right drivers in

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justinh:

so what was wrong with just staying with mythbuntu, since that worked?

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prologic:

it didn't really

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prologic:

an upgrade broke everything

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prologic:

so I'm re-learning how to do it all by hand :)

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prologic:

(mostly)

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** justinh doesn't upgrade anything in the OS if stuff is working. EVER **

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prologic:

heh

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justinh:

what output do you get from xvinfo ?

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hR13:

Hi all is there any easy way to transcode/reencode all your TV recordings with a self made transcodeing profile to save space?

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justinh:

hR13: yes. with user jobs. see the wiki

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justinh:

note: it's a complete waste of time, since the majority of TV is ultimately disposable.

[11:07:32]

justinh:

if you need to transcode to save space, get more space

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hR13:

justinh, I save some TV films for my kids, and then there are som tv-series I like to save and I have 2x2TB discs for TV recordings

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hR13:

justinh, thansk for the tips User Jobs

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justinh:

I save some stuff, I'll admit – but I generally just do a 'lossless' mpeg2 transcode

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justinh:

I've experimented with transcoding within mythtv – i.e. without user jobs but the end result tended to suck

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hR13:

thank for the input justinh

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justinh:

I ripped a family guy box set yesterday, got like 100fps turning the episodes into h.264 :-)

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justinh:

ooo dear. I did a new rip, all in once piece of The Lion King & it's making mythfrontend segfault flawlessly

[11:20:13]

justinh:

I know, mythfrontend has taste!

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prologic:

me is stupid :)

[11:22:54]

prologic:

all this time I forgot to get the i915 driver working

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prologic:

don't laugh :)

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justinh:

figures

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prologic:

and I think you're right

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prologic:

2.6.35 isn't new enough for my hw

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prologic:

so I'm trying 2.6.38.8

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prologic:

which was what mythbuntu was using

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laga:

justinh: 100 fps at single pass, i assume?

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justinh:

laga: yeah. no point doing multipass

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justinh:

wonder how long it'll take my frontend to rebuild with debugging enabled

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justinh:

erm.. from the frontend log.. WTH? QUERY_FILE_EXISTS,the lion king.mkv/VIDEO_TS...) called from UI thread

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justinh:

why is mythvideo going after a directory within a file object?

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justinh:

ok. backtrace of mythfrontend segfault here: http://pastebin.com/pvcFm21e

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justinh:

I can't make head nor tail of backtraces

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** prologic builds linux-3.1 **

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justinh:

huh? fixed the segfault by removing the video from the database & re-adding it

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justinh:

heh still no good reasons for virtualising that I can see on the -users ML

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justinh:

other than creating more work for its own sake

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laga:

you can easily fall-over if your frontend segfaults because you fscked up your lion's king rip

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justinh:

hmmm. maybe ;-)

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justinh:

hate to think how sucky a VM frontend would be on my frontend though

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justinh:

unless.. I virtualised better hardware, maybe with VDPAU too :P

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** iamlindoro awards wagnerrp the "Official Treatise on Why MythTV Virtualized is Not Only Useless, it's Stupid" merit badge **

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** wagnerrp channeled sphery for that one **

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wagnerrp:

XFS supports snapshots?

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quicksilver:

no, wagnerrp

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quicksilver:

but it has a 'stop what you're doing for a second so I can take a snapshot safely' feature

[16:02:58]

wagnerrp:

yeah, sucky sucky

[16:03:02]

quicksilver:

designed to be used by a lower-level volume management layer

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quicksilver:

"a second" being a colloqualism there :) not a literal time interval

[16:03:51]

quicksilver:

I think LVM snapshots are your best bet under linux.

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wagnerrp:

zfs snapshots on the remote iscsi host is my best bet under linux

[16:04:35]

wagnerrp:

no, im talking about a reply i got on the mailing list when someone claimed they were using xfs snapshots

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** quicksilver nods **

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dekarl:

what's the correct answer to http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_talk:Geraldmyth ? Is it "you are doing it wrong, use mythweb" or is it "you can write such a command line tool with the python bindings easily"?

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wagnerrp:

either is acceptable

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wagnerrp:

i dont quite understand how that works

[16:12:13]

wagnerrp:

does the PVR periodically hit your account on the titantv website to get new recording schedules?

[16:12:37]

wagnerrp:

(whatever PVR software titantv is designed to work with)

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dekarl:

Either the PVR regularly polls for new things to record, or you hit a "magic link" on the website and some URL handler pushes the URL/downloaded file into some command line tool.

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dekarl:

its the second variant and it's not even that crappy... all times are in UTC, so no time zone mess... so a small (python script) program that parses the files and sets up a recording rule would be possible. You'd run that helper wherever your browser lives and hope that it can reach the backend :)

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wagnerrp:

might be an interesting afternoon project for me to look into

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dekarl:

It's well documented but not impressive compared to advanced recording rules and the mythtv scheduler...

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dekarl:

I'd think of it as a tool along the migration path

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wagnerrp:

do you know how those files get passed to the application?

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wagnerrp:

is it stdin, or does the browser download to a temp file, and run '<application> <file>'

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wagnerrp:

im assuming the latter

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wagnerrp:

dekarl: to be honest, this really isnt even that much code to pull it off

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dekarl:

wagnerrp: been thinking about it a bit. might be best to put into mythutil for the "windows laptop while not around my mythtv" target audience. Then it's just some registry keys (or clicking open this with that) to get a call of "%PROGRAMFILES%\mythtv\mythutil.exe --setup-recording-rule-from-titantv \"%1\"" with the filename filled in. If you setup a handler for the mime type you might even get a URL for the file

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wagnerrp:

mythutil requires all of the mythtv libraries

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wagnerrp:

youre talking about a full mythtv install just for that little functionality

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wagnerrp:

on the other hand, the python bindings are completely untested on windows

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wagnerrp:

well if nothing else, the python script is a quick way to test out the logic

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dekarl:

indeed, but I doubt the target audience has python installed on their windows

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dekarl:

but then, it's a web site and might as well be used on linux/macosx

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wagnerrp:

perhaps the best solution might be something built into the new services api

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wagnerrp:

just a small utility to POST the file into the backend web server

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sphery:

hehe, can't wait to read wagnerrp's treatise

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dekarl:

if you add it to the backend you might as well add this "remote scheduling" mode where the CVR registers at the website somehow

[17:06:44]

wagnerrp:

CVR?

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dekarl:

ComputerVideoRecorder

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wagnerrp:

oh, DVR

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dekarl:

sphery: have you seen me asking about #8217?

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wagnerrp:

you know, i was looking through the help and didnt see any documentation to suggest the dvr/cvr ever connected directly to titantv

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dekarl:

but DVR are the dumb thing you get at the super market :)

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sphery:

dekarl: yeah, was just about to reply to you... the reason that's sat there for ages is because it seems that changing that will break other parts of mythtv

[17:09:26]

dekarl:

ok, I was looking at it and wondered why the call toUTC and back toLocaltime where not paired...

[17:09:42]

sphery:

and I haven't gotten a chance to review all the uses of the utc-conversion code to see what needs what

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dekarl:

wagnerrp: I saw some text "... only for certain types of registered CVR ..."

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sphery:

I'll see if I can get a chance to dig through code soon... it would be nice to fix it up. I think I have xmltv on my dev box, so maybe I can try using that

[17:11:14]

sphery:

oh, and thanks for the ticket on syndicatedepisodenumber (I think it's always nice to get a ticket even for easy stuff just for tracking (trac'ing?) purposes)

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dekarl:

would be greatly appreciated (and help me debug my own DST handling... unbreaking broken stuff of the tv stations :(

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sphery:

hehe, yeah

[17:11:49]

sphery:

I will say that it will only go into master if anything, so -fixes users won't see a benefit

[17:12:09]

sphery:

figure we should at least run through one conversion with the new code in master before backporting

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** sphery has to catch up with 121 commits and 173 ticket messages **

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dekarl:

if it ends up in 0.25-fixes. I'd call that "good enough"

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sphery:

hehe, yeah

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sphery:

definitely better than current

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devinheitmueller:

wow, just now getting caught up on "Mythbackend on ESXi 5.0". Now my head hurts...

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sphery:

hehe

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dekarl:

wagnerrp: remote scheduling is here but the description ... has potential for improvement ... http://www.titantv.com/Services/PartnerTools.asmx

[17:26:44]

dekarl:

so one could add ones master backend to an existing or new TitanTV account and schedule stuff via their iPhone app / web site... Might be a cool demo for integrating MythTV into one business

[17:27:07]

sphery:

is the guy in "[mythtv-users] UPNP/DLNA experiences with MythTV" saying that his xbox 360 plays mpeg-2 via upnp or that he transcodes stuff to MPEG-4 to make it play them?

[17:27:28]

wagnerrp:

hes saying the MPEG2PS from his -150 files play

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wagnerrp:

whoops... added text in the wrong spot

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devinheitmueller:

sphery: it's hard to say – you don't really know if the person has any idea what he's talking about. Some people will say that any file that ends in ".ts" is an MPEG-2 file.

[17:32:00]

sphery:

true... was just wondering since I've always heard that MS doesn't support MPEG-2 on the 360's UPnP

[17:33:59]

sphery:

wagnerrp: hehe, you told why virtualization of mythtv is not a good choice in a thread where a vmware employee was participating--funniest part, though, is that even /he/ said, "I am trying to comprehend the advantages of such a set up but I am not getting convinced. One could just run Mythtv (front and backend) on a physical box."

[17:34:47]

sphery:

and the first reply to, "what are the advantages," was "you could run multiple applications on the box"

[17:34:59]

sphery:

if only they'd make multitasking work properly in *nix

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dekarl:

sphery: the one thing that I read is that the recordings don't have sensible metadata on the xbox but are great on a ps3... reminds me of http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9632

[17:36:06]

sphery:

dekarl: yeah, that part didn't surprise me too much, but I had heard that the xbox 360 doesn't even support MPEG-2

[17:36:12]

sphery:

(except in DVD)

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dekarl:

that is MPEG-2, the video codec?

[17:36:48]

sphery:

yep

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sphery:

looking for link

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sphery:

http://blogs.msdn.com/xboxteam/archive/2007/1 . . . ack-faq.aspx

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sphery:

basically says, "mpeg-4 part 2, simple and advanced simple", h.264, wmv/vc-1

[17:39:52]

dekarl:

can't look at the referenced documents as my abiword chokes on that .docx file...

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sphery:

hehe, but it's /standard/ Microsoft /Open/ XML format

[17:40:59]

sphery:

er, "Office Open XML" format

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sphery:

hehe, "been wanting to try [running mythtv under ESXi], but todo so will require more hardware to be purchased"

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dekarl:

I can't find any hints on video codec outside your list either...

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sphery:

I thought virtualization reduced the amount of hardware you need :)

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sphery:

hehe

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sphery:

it may well be a misconfiguration, but some of the work I've done has been with systems that were using vmware player to run images and it seemed like all power savings features of the hardware were completely missing once they switched the systems from bare metal to vm's... if so, seems that you'd actually be better off with multiple physical servers with power savings enabled

[18:04:13]

wagnerrp:

am i simply not being clear in my argument? or are people so well indoctrinated in the VM ads that what im saying is being distorted?

[18:05:17]

sphery:

your argument is perfectly clear to me--but then again, I'm not prejudiced by a decision I made previously and feel I have to justify

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wagnerrp:

its like people think im telling them to run 20 different computers and have the power company upgrade their service line

[18:06:10]

sphery:

and, yeah, seems many in that thread just aren't getting the concept of "consolidation doesn't require vms"

[18:08:04]

sphery:

ah, yay, another "mangle your channel and input source data" script on the list

[18:09:50]

sphery:

(where I haven't actually read the code to see how the posted script affects data--it may do everything in a way that works fine, today--but I know that over time, it will be outdated and people will use it without noticing, even if now it's fine and works with all data for all users who use it)

[18:11:40]

wagnerrp:

you know, i would absolutely love to see some distro put up a utility to automatically spawn new v-servers with a full install

[18:13:57]

wagnerrp:

and... a feature request for a feature that has existed since... 0.22?

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dekarl:

nice idea for a script, but whats wrong with a channel scan every now an then?

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sphery:

yeah, exactly

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sphery:

people go to so much trouble to avoid a channel scan when there's a backup script that means they can do a db backup just in case they break things, so the scan isn't at all dangerous

[18:25:48]

sphery:

OK, so for years I've had a conflict on Thursday nights since all the networks like to put their best shows on that night, but this year, all 5 shows on actually sound good, so I'm going to finally get another card so I can record 5 shows a

[18:25:51]

sphery:

t once. Just have to decide which card to get--then whether to set up a new rem

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sphery:

ote backend in an ESXi instance on my master backend machine to run the new card

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sphery:

oops

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wagnerrp:

hehehe

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wagnerrp:

https://github.com/steveybaby2/packaging/comm . . . 3019a783f633

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wagnerrp:

no it doesnt

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wagnerrp:

guy pushed the manifests but forgot to add the ebuilds themselves

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sphery:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

well, i shouldnt laugh, with how many times ive screwed up by pushing no or wrong manifests with new ebuilds

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dekarl:

sphery: over in dvb land we have some open tickets wrt broken channel scan and some open issues without tickets... and it sounds like scte65scan does something that is missing from the ATSC/SCTE/OCUR channel scan...

[18:41:05]

wagnerrp:

dekarl: well... maybe

[18:41:25]

wagnerrp:

scte65scan only works because cable companies are using devices that dont conform to standards

[18:41:51]

wagnerrp:

they use a cheap tuner, not capable of the range that a proper cable box is supposed to

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wagnerrp:

(or maybe its transmitted as data through cable internet, not actually sure)

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dekarl:

oh, I unterstood that it allows to pick the correct VCT for a given location. sound like these contain the LCN (logical channel number) we have something like that in DVB land, too

[18:43:58]

wagnerrp:

dekarl: normally, the VCTs are not something that can be picked up by a QAM tuner

[18:44:25]

wagnerrp:

the only reason scte65scan works is because the limited 'DTAs' require that the VCTs be sent in-band

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wagnerrp:

which scte65scan can then record and process

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sphery:

dekarl: yeah, I'll admit that the channel scanner needs some serious work, but that doesn't mean you should avoid it at all costs and post scripts that (even if they work perfectly for you) may corrupt other people's data :)

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wagnerrp:

DTAs being the cheap standard-definition only boxes, technically illegal due to their lack of modular cablecard support

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wagnerrp:

the ones that they had to get an FCC waiver to implement, and are used to placate customers that were still using analog cable

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dekarl:

why should a QAM tuner not be able to pickup the various kinds of VCT?

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wagnerrp:

its traditionally sent out-of-band

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wagnerrp:

what exactly that means? i dont know

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devinheitmueller:

The OOB tuner typically doesn't use the QAM modulation, so you need a tuner and demodulator that support OFDM.

[18:53:30]

wagnerrp:

the DTAs skimped on cost by leaving out that chunk of hardware

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devinheitmueller:

A typical cable box has two tuners. The main tuner which is tuned to the target frequency you want to watch TV on (which delivers via QAM), and the OOB tuner which is always tuned to a particular frequency intended to receive entitlement messages and other channel info.

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dekarl:

OOB as in all VCT for everything that comes out of the wall socket are on a transponder that is not QAM modulated?

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devinheitmueller:

Correct.

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devinheitmueller:

With a low cost DTA, they don't have an OOB tuner or demodulator, so they receive the information inband (combined with some info in the eeprom indicating what region/location the box is installed into)

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devinheitmueller:

Oh duh. It's QPSK, not OFDM. My bad.

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dekarl:

and this special OOB channel is basically just another mpeg transport stream? reminds me a bit of the transport that carries all EIT of one satelite constellation combined

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devinheitmueller:

It's not an MPEG transport stream.

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dekarl:

Ahhh

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wagnerrp:

can scte65scan discriminate between channels with privacy mode? or is that not sent in the IB VCT?

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dekarl:

why should one make it easy when you can have it complicated :)

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: No. It's not part of the SCTE tables

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devinheitmueller:

The advantage of an OOB is that the cable box can stay tuned to it all the time, so it gets periodic notifications/updates without interfering with a regular user watching television.

[18:57:25]

devinheitmueller:

(no need to change frequencies to get OOB data)

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wagnerrp:

meaning it potentially floods your tables with channels you cannot record from

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devinheitmueller:

SCTE65 does have some flags for indicating whether the content is protected, but to my knowledge nobody actually uses them.

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iamlindoro:

devinheitmueller: Heh, and the obnoxious "Emergency message on channel xxx, tune to channel xxx" directives that apparently Windows MCE responds to

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devinheitmueller:

(since the only intended consumer is a DTA which has access to protected content)

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devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: I believe that responding to those is actually required for an ATSC conformant tuner.

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iamlindoro:

s/ATSC/CableLabs?

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devinheitmueller:

Oh, yeah. in the case of CableLabs I cannot say, but almost certainly.

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iamlindoro:

To the best of my knowledge, the action isn't taken by the tuner, but by the application

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devinheitmueller:

iamlindoro: it's not *actually* taken by the tuner chip itself – from a standards perspective they look at the entire stack – including the application.

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devinheitmueller:

In this context, we're talking about a compliant "receiver" as opposed to a tuner.

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sphery:

So, after much deciding, I think it's going to be an HVR-2250 instead of a 1250... Will either pull one of my old PCI tuners or just have an extra (6th) tuner in the system

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justinh:

sigh. the virtualised misguided zealots are shouting again :-\

[19:13:26]

justinh:

blah blah blah. yes, sure. You'll save power. NO YOU FRICKIN WON'T YOU RETARD

[19:13:40]

sphery:

yeah, they convinced me to set up a virtualized remote backend on my master backend host to run my new capture card... it will save me power

[19:14:25]

sphery:

versus just configuring the card in my master backend--as well as provide migration support and automatic failover and such

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justinh:

the IT bloke at work told me why they're using VMs, I remember. It's far quicker to reboot a VM :P

[19:15:04]

sphery:

hehe, aren't you supposed to not reboot servers much?

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justinh:

(except when the aged machine hosting the VMs dies because its caps have dried out)

[19:15:40]

justinh:

if stuff fails they just reboot. I say they.. I mean HE

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sphery:

hehe, I didn't know you could fix failed caps with a reboot :)

[19:16:27]

sphery:

guess that's why I'm a software guy, not a hardware guy

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iamlindoro:

We use Virtualization here, but we use it for what it's meant for (HA on servers)

[19:17:28]

justinh:

if a server falls over he reboots the VM. If that fails (get this) he reboots the machine

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wagnerrp:

sphery: i know i saved tons of power by moving my Videos storage group off my master backend, and onto mythmediaserver in a virtual machine on the same hardware

[19:18:03]

sphery:

wagnerrp: nice--I hadn't even considered doing that... I'll have to get another VM set up

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justinh:

these people are nutters. I've got that etched in my brain now

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justinh:

then again, they might actually be right about them saving power. considering the number of madmen who no doubt repurposed old 486 systems to use as firewalls/routers back in the day instead of using a basic $30 box pulling 6W from the wall socket

[19:20:19]

justinh:

and HOW in the name of $deity can anybody not in the UK complain about power costs? jees. everywhere else they might as well be giving it away

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iamlindoro:

When you get so PO'd at your backend not recording properly because of VM issues, and you pull the plug, that saves power

[19:20:31]

iamlindoro:

like 100%

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dekarl:

SCTE 55–1 explains how two OOB FEC frames get assembled to one MPEG-TS packet. I would not be surprised if the usual QAM tuner chips can handle that ;)

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dekarl:

haven't looked into the encoding and modulation in details but it sounds like what HAM operators use for their D-ATV with DVB/MPEG standards over here

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devinheitmueller:

dekarl: nope. Pretty much everything out there has a dedicated demodulator for the OOB (sometimes a single chip which includes an OOB demod on teh die)

[19:22:16]

devinheitmueller:

e.g. it's not just a repurposed QAM demodulator...

[19:22:32]

wagnerrp:

justinh: to be fair, my 6W from the wall socket box was $200

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dekarl:

devinheitmueller: ok, I was more into the "it's a mpeg transport stream on the wire" part. While it's some private format on the interface to the CableCard... but I think I'll just leave these standards to you. they feel alien :)

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justinh:

wagnerrp: heh, well it was never really an economic decision here. compact silent box with built-in switch, vs big ugly noisy box

[19:25:31]

wagnerrp:

yeah, this is a little 500MHz geode, no physical switch though

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wagnerrp:

just the plug in the back

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wagnerrp:

oh... network switch

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: See latest in ESXi thread

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iamlindoro:

and predict the responses

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iamlindoro:

besides UNPOSSIBLE!!! IT WURK FINE FOR ME!

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wagnerrp:

the 'my usb tuner stops recording the streams sometime after 5 to 15 minutes'?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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justinh:

hrhrhr

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justinh:

but apart from that, it all worky perfick

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devinheitmueller:

wagnerrp: that's how you save on power.

[19:33:44]

devinheitmueller:

Nothing good ever happens after the first 15 minutes in a program anyway.

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dekarl:

with all that ESXi talk.. did you notice that it starts with "I setup my ***23.1 fixes*** backend on ESXi today"

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iamlindoro:

Our users have a general mistrust of modern versions of MythTV... and sad to say they are sometimes warranted-- but those that do tend to only upgrade to the bad releases, not the good ones

[19:37:15]

iamlindoro:

My personal experience is that we are still ironing out the various Qt4/MythUI conversion issues, but that each release is getting a little more trustworthy and fault tolerant

[19:37:34]

** iamlindoro gets to rebuild his MBE tonight, since the boot drive decided to die last night, blah **

[19:37:52]

iamlindoro:

luckily I do nightly DB backups and everything of value isn't on the boot drive

[19:38:12]

iamlindoro:

Well, everything except for my in-progress API work :(

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justinh:

users also have a mistrust of *progress* damnit

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wagnerrp:

justinh: unless its progress in virtual machines

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justinh:

stupid users. failing to see that simplifying & making keyboard operations consistent is a GOOD THING

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iamlindoro:

Made lots of fun progress on my little AiPad app while the BE was down, though... http://www.fecitfacta.com/remote.png

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dekarl:

they must learn to send their SO out on a one week vacation so they can rebuilt their backends every now and then :)

[19:40:10]

justinh:

iamlindoro: but your remote buttons don't look like ass. surely that can't qualify for being a mythtv remote control app ;)

[19:40:23]

dekarl:

iamlindoro: is that a MythTV backend webserver "app"?

[19:40:30]

iamlindoro:

justinh: Heh, I actually plan to drop that whole remote, it was done in ~2 minutes

[19:40:54]

iamlindoro:

dekarl: No, it's a native iPad library browser and remote control using the backend Services API and new Frontend control API

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justinh:

I tried all the android mythtv remotes going, and they all made my eyes hurt one way or the other

[19:41:14]

justinh:

when they weren't crashing the frontend or hard locking the phone

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iamlindoro:

Here's the library browser part, though it's since been reworked quite a bit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwLaeG0KrQo

[19:42:16]

iamlindoro:

New version allows you to browse the library, spawn playback on autodetected frontends, remote control on-screen clone of the FE, etc.

[19:43:38]

iamlindoro:

It's far from releaseable IMO, but the nice part is it will require zero configuration-- will autodetect backends, frontends, etc. by uPnP, control everything via sanctioned APIs, and will otherwise be completely supported/supportable

[19:43:49]

iamlindoro:

no proto faking, no DB manipulation of any kind

[19:43:58]

iamlindoro:

Pure API use

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iamlindoro:

I'd still like to see a very simple live transcode API in services, but that may need to wait for someone more libav* capable

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iamlindoro:

Then the iPad itself could be a display device

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prologic:

woo

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prologic:

videos works 100% :)

[19:52:34]

prologic:

tuners works 100%

[19:52:37]

prologic:

upgraded to kernel-3.1

[19:52:38]

prologic:

:)

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iamlindoro:

justinh: I rethought the remote part a bit this weekend, I think I will make the remote "touchscreen OSD" like

[19:56:02]

iamlindoro:

which is to say probably arranged horizontally around the content rather than emulating a candybar-style remote

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wagnerrp:

dekarl: bleh... ive got to deal with timezones in the guide data search

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dekarl:

wagnerrp: what guide data search?

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wagnerrp:

the one in the bindings, against the database

[20:12:16]

wagnerrp:

the database is local, titantv is utc (you mentioned this earlier)

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dekarl:

ohhh, right. it's "floating local" vs "UTC"... so a simple localtime(timestamp) should work well, right?

[20:14:32]

wagnerrp:

which would require writing some custom SQL to handle the search

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dekarl:

hmm, I thought a) read star/stop from xml b) convert to localtime c) call bindings to add recording rule

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wagnerrp:

easier just to do... http://pastebin.com/kpmujaNy

[20:16:18]

wagnerrp:

python has some really screwy time handling code

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wagnerrp:

ive still not actually figured out how to figure out what the local offset is using it

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dekarl:

meh, that example will break when deciding to record something behind the next offset jump

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dekarl:

like when I want to record something next week (we switch at Nov 30)

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wagnerrp:

petition your government to abandon DST

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wagnerrp:

:)

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dekarl:

but DST is important! It makes everybody remember whos the boss ;)

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wagnerrp:

ok, lets give this thing a shot

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wagnerrp:

lousy spelling

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wagnerrp:

"global name 'ScheduleProrgam' is not defined"

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dekarl:

you are going the "search for a program in that time slot and record it once" instead of "manual schedule" route?

[20:43:03]

wagnerrp:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

search for a channel

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dekarl:

I wonder if the user has any guide at all in their backend...

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wagnerrp:

if matching channel is found, search for show in that timeslot

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wagnerrp:

require title and subtitle for direct match

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wagnerrp:

require title only if fuzzy matching

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wagnerrp:

if no channel, search for that title in that timeslot on any channel

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wagnerrp:

and prefer one with a matching subtitle

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wagnerrp:

appears to work for tv shows

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wagnerrp:

but ill need to tweak it a bit for movies/sports/etc

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wagnerrp:

sphery: if i use the kFindOneRecord, will that match on both title and subtitle? or just title?

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dekarl:

oh cool, did not see the subtitles earlier... so you can find it and make id... yeah kFindOne...

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wagnerrp:

im setting default to kSingleRecord, with kFindOneRecord as a command line option

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dekarl:

IIRC I was cursing earlier this year because it's ignoring the subtitle

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kuyatzu:

Heho

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dekarl:

wagnerrp: anyway family time... If you can tag some "recording scheduled via titantv" on it you could even update them via the PartnerTools API :)

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wagnerrp:

well thats going to take a bit more work

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kuyatzu:

last days a found something very cool :D someone setup a mythtv backend with dvb-t usb stick on his nas... would that be also possible with a router? like Buffalo WZR-HP-AG300H

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wagnerrp:

since it would mean connecting to their site with a login

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wagnerrp:

kuyatzu: if he had asked in here, we would have told him setting up mythtv on his NAS was not possible

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dekarl:

but only once to collect the uuid (if I guessed right)

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kuyatzu:

so it was a fake? how sad

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wagnerrp:

no, it wasnt fake, more foolish or short sighted

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dekarl:

kuyatzu: setting it up on a NAS is easy, as long as with NAS you mean a normal PC used to provide file services with some embedded Linux/BSD but plenty of memory and CPU power

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wagnerrp:

mythtv expects to be run on a halfway decent machine

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kuyatzu:

it was a buffalo NAS he wrote a ls-500 someting dont remember

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dekarl:

using something like these 20 buck seagate appliances for a backend is a no-go

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wagnerrp:

recommended for buying hardware is a dual core Athlon II or Core2, with 2GB of memory

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wagnerrp:

some people get by with little Atoms, which may be what that buffalo is running

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wagnerrp:

but anything ARM is right out

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wagnerrp:

not only are those chips slow, but theyre slow and not x86, meaning theyre not at all optimized for

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wagnerrp:

database access is going to hurt, scheduling is going to hurt, recording will be iffy due to IO limitations

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kuyatzu:

well ok :D it would be better for me if a plug the usb dvb-t to my mashine and use mplayer ^^

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wagnerrp:

do you want to watch TV or do you want to record it?

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dekarl:

If the "NAS" just has to handle backend work and it's only one DVB-T receiver then you can use something as slow as a 733MHz PC with 512MB memory (my last backend that went to the dumpster earlier this year.) It works, even with multirec, but you have to turn lots of knobs to keep everything spinning. It's not fun to setup and I don't want to do it again :)

[21:00:49]

kuyatzu:

wagnerrp: only watch

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wagnerrp:

then you dont want mythtv, or any other dvr, period

[21:01:29]

wagnerrp:

mplayer, vlc, or kaffeine would be good choices

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kuyatzu:

so the dvb-t packages would be only streamed I thought thats cool xD

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dekarl:

just buy this http://www.silicondust.com/products/models/hdhr3-eu/

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kuyatzu:

Nice oO

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wagnerrp:

dekarl: were you actually interested in using this? or just curious whether there was an option?

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dekarl:

wagnerrp: which "this" the HDHR or the TitanTV script? (do they have german data?)

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wagnerrp:

titantv stuff

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wagnerrp:

i dont know

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wagnerrp:

probably not since they want your zip coe

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wagnerrp:

code

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dekarl:

more curios... as I have my own EPG service taylored to suit mythtv I'm not the target audience ;)

[21:07:51]

dekarl:

basically a point on my "collect stuff that is floating about and integrate it properly into mythtv upstream" list that got there by looking at the wiki recent changes

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kuyatzu:

ok this gadget ships the dvb-t packages over ethernet so I can watch this with a player and recording? works with mythtv?

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justinh:

not at the same time as using other stuff, no

[21:09:37]

dekarl:

it even says "Compatible with MythTV" on that page

[21:09:47]

justinh:

you either use it with mythtv, or with something else. not at the same time

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dekarl:

justinh: but you can use one tuner for watching on one pc and the other tuner configured in the backend?

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kuyatzu:

yes of course but if i dont watch would it be possible to record with mythtv? thats would be great

[21:11:47]

wagnerrp:

yes, mythtv can record from an HDHomeRun

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dekarl:

kuyatzu: MythTV prefers exclusive access to the tuners

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wagnerrp:

s/prefers/demands/

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kuyatzu:

great :D i dont know that something like that exist oO

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dekarl:

wagnerrp: just out of curiosity, why can I specify "open device on demand" in the setup then?

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justinh:

because you can can can

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justinh:

not that it's for sharing devices

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wagnerrp:

people complained, and developers relented

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dekarl:

ahh, so it's a "shoot in the foot" knob

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wagnerrp:

exactly... :)

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justinh:

that never would have happened in the old days ;)

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kuyatzu:

aehm, the connecten is that multicast? so that I can watch the same thing at 2 pc?

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wagnerrp:

on the hdhomerun? no

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dekarl:

kuyatzu: if you want to feed a campus network with multicast you'd need one tuner per transponder and software like mumudvb (and a contract lawyer that takes care of the licensing) or a device like the http://www.silicondust.com/products/models/tech3-eu/ (and still a lawyer)

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kuyatzu:

not a campus but my home ^^

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wagnerrp:

you cant use multicast in your home

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justinh:

whoah the tech hdhr can do constellation plots? I know a man who needs this

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wagnerrp:

on any networking gear that costs <$500, it simply turns into broadcast

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jams:

dekarl- open on demand was added because of usb dvb tuners.

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dekarl:

huh? the cheap gigabit switches over here are supposed to snoop igmp, need to check, but they're like 20–40 buck per port.

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wagnerrp:

dekarl: anything thats not a 'managed' or 'smart' switch generally just pumps any multicast traffic to everyone on the physical segment

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dekarl:

jams: do they need it? (thinking of hauppauge pci cards that carry two usb tuners and a root bridge)

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jams:

there was a problem were some usb tuners would disconnect causing havoc

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dekarl:

wagnerrp: ahh, ok I'm thinking of mangaged switches for SOHO use

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dekarl:

jams: that makes sense. need to check the help text if it's clear what the knob is supposed to do

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jams:

dekarl- if i remember correctly, only certain tuners had the problem. That was added like 6 years ago so I don't remember the details =)

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wagnerrp:

sphery: dekarl is right, findone only matches on title

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wagnerrp:

is there anything similar for subtitle?

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k-man:

it amazes me how people can't get over the right arrow thing

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wagnerrp:

it was the only thing of worth in mythtv, and now its gone

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k-man:

hehe

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k-man:

I mean, I was disconcerted when the change happened, but once I understood why I was able to move on with my life

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k-man:

but there are still people griping about it on the mailing list

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wagnerrp:

wtf... wagnerrp is already in use by titantv?

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k-man:

admitedly he had only just upgraded to .24

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wagnerrp:

it seems i created an account for this ages ago

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wagnerrp:

i have no idea why

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Beirdo:

OK, trimmed out 31 windows in irssi :)

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Beirdo:

it's like getting a hair cut...

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Beirdo:

wow. I like this music

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Beirdo:

I'm so in the mood for it today... America – The Complete Greatest Hits

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darkstarbyte:

How would I set up places for mythtv to store data on mysql?

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darkstarbyte:

How would I fix? "No Storage Group directories are defined. You must add at least one directory to the Default Storage Group where new recordings will be stored."

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Twiggy2cents:

Is there any plans on making an integrated login prompt for mythweb?

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iamlindoro_:

No

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Twiggy2cents:

Just curious why not? It would look nicer rather than a pop up prompt, plus autologin stuff would work better. Or is it more so that this way works and there isnt a need to change it?

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wagnerrp:

there are just no plans to do so

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wagnerrp:

not that it would be refused if someone wrote one

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wagnerrp:

but the mythweb maintainers have things they would rather be writing instead

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Twiggy2cents:

gotcha

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kormoc:

firefox has a http auth autologin plugin

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Twiggy2cents:

hmm I wonder if chrome does

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: does the scheduler have any 'record one instance of this title/subtitle'? or would i need to do a power rule for that?

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wagnerrp:

theres title, but not title/subtitle

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Twiggy2cents:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythWeb#Other_options if I specified the exact IP, there shouldnt be any issue with lack of auth on any other IP right?

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hoolio:

will mythvideo play .flv?

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wagnerrp:

mythvideo will try to play whatever you tell it to

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wagnerrp:

the Internal player will play flv

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hoolio:

okies, cool. ta matey

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, not that I know of

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