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| [00:30:39] | ** wagnerrp regrets taking a stick-shift with no cup holders to get food ** | |
| [00:32:05] | Oleg_: | what's the purpose of perl bindings to mythtv? |
| [00:32:41] | wagnerrp: | the same as the python and php bindings |
| [00:33:14] | wagnerrp: | access to the backend protocol and database through those languages |
| [00:33:25] | wagnerrp: | plus other sundry utility functions |
| [00:33:53] | prologic: | woo |
| [00:33:57] | prologic: | mythtv is almost working :) |
| [00:34:06] | prologic: | missing a few things though like plugins and themes, etc |
| [00:34:18] | prologic: | and gotta setup channel data still |
| [00:34:33] | wagnerrp: | no, youre just missing plugins |
| [00:34:44] | prologic: | but hey, for a night's work where I had to compile everything (with the help of crux's wonderful prtpget) |
| [00:34:47] | prologic: | I think job well done :) |
| [00:34:55] | prologic: | ahh yeah |
| [00:34:59] | prologic: | the themes are builtin now aren't they? |
| [00:35:05] | wagnerrp: | themes come through the theme chooser/downloader |
| [00:35:11] | prologic: | kk |
| [00:35:12] | prologic: | cool :) |
| [00:35:17] | prologic: | and hey you know what |
| [00:35:21] | prologic: | it "just works" |
| [00:35:30] | prologic: | it's awesome doing it yourself with absolute control |
| [00:35:42] | prologic: | FAIL for Mythbuntu in breaking everything after an upgrade |
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| [01:06:27] | Oleg_: | wikipedia implies that commercial versions of mysql have more features |
| [01:06:40] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [01:08:21] | Oleg_: | that's not fair |
| [01:08:47] | wagnerrp: | why? |
| [01:09:00] | wagnerrp: | you get what you pay for |
| [01:10:39] | Oleg_: | so, the features that are missing from the free edition of mysql are really important? |
| [01:11:26] | wagnerrp: | the features missing are things like clustering, another enterprise features that the lowly user running a small mysql server wouldnt care about |
| [01:14:15] | Oleg_: | but the source code of the features provided in the paid edition must still be released; otherwise, it would be a violation of the gpl license |
| [01:14:26] | wagnerrp: | why is that? |
| [01:15:33] | Oleg_: | oh, even though mysql is gpl-ed, those additional features are not? |
| [01:15:45] | wagnerrp: | oracle owns mysql in its entirety |
| [01:15:53] | wagnerrp: | they can license it and relicense it however they please |
| [01:16:09] | wagnerrp: | they could even stop distributing the community edition all together if they so wished |
| [01:16:27] | wagnerrp: | however, what they had released up to this point could then be forked and re-released under different projects |
| [01:17:52] | Oleg_: | so, Linus Torvalds may also change the license for linux if he ever wishes to do so? He can make linux proprietary? |
| [01:18:20] | Oleg_: | if it's true, then linux is not really free |
| [01:18:24] | wagnerrp: | no, because linux does not own the linux kernel |
| [01:18:37] | wagnerrp: | he only owns whatever he has written |
| [01:18:53] | wagnerrp: | so he can re-license whatever he has written however he chooses |
| [01:19:43] | wagnerrp: | but as mentioned, even if the linux foundation and all the individual code owners decide to re-license linux under something else |
| [01:19:55] | wagnerrp: | what they have distributed up to this point is still covered under the GPL |
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| [01:20:05] | wagnerrp: | so anyone can re-distribute it as they please under the limits of the GPL |
| [01:20:54] | wagnerrp: | the GPL cannot be retroactively removed |
| [01:21:02] | wagnerrp: | it can only be removed by the owner moving forward |
| [01:21:06] | Oleg_: | ok |
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| [02:26:35] | Beirdo: | well that was a fun break |
| [02:27:05] | Beirdo: | walked down to Goodwill (about a mile away) and got some plates/mugs for camping |
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| [02:32:51] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: what do you suggest as an analog for %VERBOSELEVEL%, but for that big logPropagateArgs? |
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| [02:33:23] | Beirdo: | I would just put the whole thing into what is now VERBOSELEBEL |
| [02:33:48] | wagnerrp: | maybe VERBOSEMODE? |
| [02:33:54] | wagnerrp: | id rather not break existing stuff |
| [02:33:56] | Beirdo: | why split it up? |
| [02:34:05] | wagnerrp: | which is what stuffing all that information into VERBOSELEVEL would do |
| [02:34:18] | Beirdo: | Hmmm. I guess |
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| [02:41:57] | Oleg_: | When I load mythfrontend, I see empty brown screen, and get the error: 2011-10–22 22:39:49.014 LIRC, Error: Failed to connect to Unix socket '/var/run/lirc/lircd' |
| [02:42:00] | Oleg_: | how can I fix it? |
| [02:42:17] | wagnerrp: | are you intending to use an IR remote? |
| [02:43:52] | Oleg_: | yeah, I think one of my tuners has an IR remote |
| [02:44:07] | wagnerrp: | then you need to configure and run lircd |
| [02:44:19] | wagnerrp: | lircd creates that file, that mythtv connects to for IR inputs |
| [02:47:25] | Oleg_: | okay, I ran lircd, and now mythfrontend gives me this error: |
| [02:47:28] | Oleg_: | Error: Failed to read config file '/home/oleg/.lircrc |
| [02:48:05] | wagnerrp: | lircd translates information from the device into named buttons |
| [02:48:28] | wagnerrp: | mythtv then uses the information in ~/.mythtv/lircrc to translate those named buttons into program actions |
| [02:48:47] | Oleg_: | but it looks for /home/oleg/.lircrc |
| [02:49:05] | wagnerrp: | not sure why, thats not where mythtv is supposed to be looking |
| [02:50:08] | Oleg_: | ok, for now, let me just tell mythfrontend that I don't wanna use lirc |
| [02:50:11] | Oleg_: | how can I do it? |
| [02:50:27] | wagnerrp: | not that i know of |
| [02:50:38] | wagnerrp: | although if mythtv cannot connect to it, it just skips it and continues loading |
| [02:51:34] | Oleg_: | ok, hold on |
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| [02:56:33] | k-man: | can I use mythtvosd to display arbitary things on the screen? |
| [02:56:48] | wagnerrp: | only when you are watching video |
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| [02:57:35] | Oleg_: | I don't know why I get the blank screen when I load mythfrontend |
| [02:57:42] | Oleg_: | it's just a blank brown screen |
| [02:57:46] | k-man: | wagnerrp, oh, I see |
| [03:00:05] | k-man: | wagnerrp, when you say "video" you mean video in "watch videos", and not in "watch recordings"? |
| [03:00:19] | wagnerrp: | no, i mean the internal player has to be running |
| [03:00:32] | wagnerrp: | mythtvosd only works with the internal player |
| [03:00:42] | k-man: | ah I see |
| [03:01:02] | k-man: | do I need to enable anything so it will work? I tried it while playing a recording and a video and nothing appears on the screen |
| [03:01:15] | wagnerrp: | not off hand, never used it |
| [03:01:24] | wagnerrp: | and its been replaced in 0.25 anyway |
| [03:01:28] | wagnerrp: | (by something that works everywhere) |
| [03:01:39] | k-man: | wagnerrp, oh ok |
| [03:02:35] | k-man: | wagnerrp, I seem to recall in .25 there is something that provides visual feedback (like plase wait) as soon as you press a button to watch a recording? |
| [03:02:58] | wagnerrp: | and in 0.24, and 0.23, and 0.22 |
| [03:03:10] | wagnerrp: | i think there was actually some animation prior to that |
| [03:03:21] | k-man: | wagnerrp, I don't see it on my setup of .24fixes |
| [03:03:31] | k-man: | is it theme dependant? |
| [03:04:01] | wagnerrp: | might be |
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| [03:07:54] | k-man: | no, tried many themes, I don't see it |
| [03:11:46] | k-man: | ah, there is some discussion about it here: http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . .html#310094 but no resolution that I can see |
| [03:14:37] | Captain_Murdoch: | k-man, there is a 'please wait' type of screen, but I think most people don't see that because the player starts up quickly and covers that screen. |
| [03:15:07] | Captain_Murdoch: | it was put in when there used to be a lag, then when some optimizations went in later, most people didn't even see the screen anymore I think. |
| [03:15:22] | k-man: | Captain_Murdoch, I see – well, when I play a recording its definately slow enough to wonder if it received the key press, but I don't see the please wait |
| [03:17:22] | Beirdo: | OK. step one complete. |
| [03:17:41] | Beirdo: | heh. I now have a top-level pseudo-code mainline. |
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| [03:45:09] | Jester86: | hey guys |
| [03:45:25] | Jester86: | anyone know anything about the Hauppauge Colossus? |
| [03:45:59] | wagnerrp: | no good for linux |
| [03:46:02] | Jester86: | i spoke with a Hauppauge rep via facebook a while back and he said that there was progress being made on getting linux support for it |
| [03:46:11] | Jester86: | i take it that hasn't happened yet then :-\ |
| [03:46:28] | wagnerrp: | progress on getting linux support depends on prodding the chipset manufacturer to allow it |
| [03:46:32] | Jester86: | best bet to record HD content still the HD-PVR? |
| [03:47:18] | Jester86: | thats about what i figured wagnerrp is the HD-PVR still the best alternative? |
| [03:47:34] | wagnerrp: | for time warner... thats your only option |
| [03:48:00] | Jester86: | well i may buy a firewire cable and just see whats flagged as copy-free |
| [03:48:13] | Jester86: | that requires a 9-pin to 9-pin right? |
| [03:48:36] | Jester86: | regardless I'll want firewire to be able to change the channels via wire vs RF |
| [03:48:38] | wagnerrp: | no sense doing so, because at most it will be your local broadcast channels |
| [03:48:42] | wagnerrp: | at worst, it will be nothing |
| [03:49:10] | Jester86: | yeah but i'll want the cable regardess |
| [03:50:07] | Oleg_: | people, I don't understand why I get a blank brown screen when I start mythfrontend! |
| [03:50:33] | wagnerrp: | try '-O ThemePainter=qt' |
| [03:50:52] | Jester86: | Oleg_.. you dun fucked up |
| [03:51:08] | wagnerrp: | please watch your language |
| [03:51:20] | Jester86: | sorry wagnerrp .. been drinking :( |
| [03:52:30] | Jester86: | wagnerrp, do any satellite suppliers offer any alternatives to using the HD-PVR |
| [03:52:41] | wagnerrp: | nope |
| [03:53:01] | Jester86: | My thought is I'll be the HD-PVR for TWC which i currently have and if I go sat later I'm hoping that HD-PVR will still be the best/only fix for them as well |
| [03:53:28] | Jester86: | I'd be pretty ticked if I buy the HD-PVR for twc for a few months then have more options once i get rid of it lol |
| [03:53:44] | Jester86: | i get rid of twc* |
| [03:54:45] | Oleg_: | wagnerrp, that didn't help |
| [03:57:05] | Jester86: | would the geforce 9300 be able to handle about any HD content I throw at it? Looking for an ITX mobo with integrated video capable of handling w/e i throw at it |
| [03:57:16] | wagnerrp: | just about |
| [03:57:24] | wagnerrp: | in theory |
| [03:57:28] | Jester86: | lol |
| [03:57:33] | Jester86: | i hate theory.. |
| [03:57:37] | wagnerrp: | of course any 9300 board would be a 775 socket |
| [03:57:41] | wagnerrp: | which means a core2duo |
| [03:57:52] | wagnerrp: | which should be able to handle just about anything you throw at it anyway |
| [03:58:14] | Jester86: | i found one that has a gt430 integrated... i have the 430 in my server (master FE/BE) and that card is niceee |
| [03:58:52] | Jester86: | yeah that is true.. i wonder if its overkill then. at $114 its not cheap |
| [03:59:24] | Jester86: | i'm just tired of my gf complaining about not having cable/mythtv in the bedroom so i need a box for that tv |
| [03:59:48] | Jester86: | there aren't any new FE STBs out there are there? |
| [04:00:24] | Jester86: | note I'm only able to connect via draft-n, no CAT.. rental house |
| [04:00:54] | Oleg_: | weird... mythtv-setup starts up just fine, but with mythfrontend, I get a blank screen |
| [04:01:17] | Jester86: | i have a 3-channel draft n router and have connected to a friends machine via 3channel draft n .. streamed 1080i no problem |
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| [04:03:43] | Jester86: | wagnerrp, what are your thoughts on the HD homerun Prime and TWC? |
| [04:03:50] | wagnerrp: | a waste |
| [04:04:52] | Jester86: | so the only option of any sort would be the HD-PVR :-\ |
| [04:05:23] | Jester86: | I'm going to be so pissed if i spend all that money on the HD-PVR and a digital alternative comes out in the next year or two |
| [04:05:56] | Oleg_: | oh man, I think it's the permission issue again 'cause mythfrontend loads fine when I am a super user |
| [04:06:03] | wagnerrp: | it wont, unless TWC stops being a run by wastoid tools |
| [04:06:35] | Jester86: | wagnerrp, true.. that isnt very likely lol |
| [04:06:54] | Jester86: | thanks for the info on everything wagnerrp .. you're always a reliable source |
| [04:07:07] | Jester86: | many thanks.. |
| [04:07:36] | wagnerrp: | comcast, verizon, wow, i think cox... all work well with with the Prime |
| [04:07:42] | wagnerrp: | time warner, not at all |
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| [04:08:30] | Jester86: | really.. how does COX differ? I think they are in my area |
| [04:08:56] | Jester86: | just have more stuff flagged as copy-free? |
| [04:08:56] | wagnerrp: | youll need to check with someone else on that |
| [04:08:58] | wagnerrp: | im not sure about cox |
| [04:09:16] | wagnerrp: | basically, comcast and verizon mark everything but the premiums as copy-freely |
| [04:09:17] | Jester86: | ok. well how do the others in general work better with it.. is it b/c the copy-free? |
| [04:09:23] | Jester86: | ohh ok |
| [04:09:32] | wagnerrp: | i believe WOW runs everything but the premiums unencrypted |
| [04:09:37] | Jester86: | i'll see if comcast is here :) |
| [04:12:45] | Jester86: | wagnerrp, ever heard of primecast? |
| [04:13:03] | wagnerrp: | nope |
| [04:13:53] | Jester86: | have any idea what the digital programming is like through commcast? |
| [04:14:01] | wagnerrp: | what do you mean? |
| [04:14:18] | Jester86: | TWC offers a lot of digital channels but.. my connection is so shitty none of them come in |
| [04:14:28] | Jester86: | and twc won't install new lines |
| [04:14:32] | wagnerrp: | ... language ... |
| [04:14:47] | Jester86: | sorry didn't think sh!tty was a curse |
| [04:14:48] | wagnerrp: | if you cant get the channels you subscribe to, then you refuse to pay |
| [04:15:06] | Jester86: | well thats why i'm looking at alternatives.. |
| [04:15:24] | Jester86: | i'd rather just be done with them all together |
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| [04:19:03] | Jester86: | wagnerrp, do you know if commcast offers a decent array of digital/hd channels? |
| [04:19:20] | wagnerrp: | i would presume so |
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| [04:29:41] | Beirdo: | I guess wagnerrp's now our resident Comcast salesman? :) |
| [04:29:42] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [04:32:30] | jamesd2: | timewarner baby.. if not for the cable tv, for the 30/5 internet for $120 a month with standard cable |
| [04:33:27] | wagnerrp: | for... three hours until you hit your transfer cap |
| [04:33:29] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [04:34:03] | jamesd2: | wagnerrp, no caps |
| [04:34:20] | wagnerrp: | ah, thats why its $120/mo |
| [04:35:14] | jamesd2: | i i was paying $90 a month for 6mbit/384lk DSL with a landline i never used. |
| [04:35:37] | wagnerrp: | i think i pay like $30/mo for 5/768 DSL |
| [04:35:39] | jamesd2: | $30 extra seems to be a fair traid off.. |
| [04:35:54] | wagnerrp: | with six IPs |
| [04:37:23] | jamesd2: | wagnerrp, that can't be your complete phone bill they add on a crap load of taxes every change they get |
| [04:38:03] | wagnerrp: | no, thats the DSL part of it |
| [04:38:33] | wagnerrp: | theres landline, two numbers, and a shared cell plan for three phones |
| [04:40:04] | jamesd2: | i never really looked the DSL only part of the bill.. i couldn't fight the taxes so i just considered it as whole |
| [04:40:17] | wagnerrp: | oh, $120 was internet and cable |
| [04:41:26] | jamesd2: | the $120 was for DSL + a landline, when i signed up for it... the bare DSL was only $5 less so i kept the landline for emergencies |
| [04:42:16] | wagnerrp: | yikes, i was paying $45 for the same DSL and an emergency landline when i was in the apartment |
| [04:43:25] | jamesd2: | guess i got screwed... but its over now, i love 30/5 |
| [04:44:04] | jamesd2: | i can go to 50/? for a bit more i guess but no need for it yet... 3.5MB/s downloads of stuff is really cool |
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| [04:45:37] | [R]: | https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/098ead81b |
| [04:45:41] | [R]: | i can't tell if this is a bug i ws seeing or not |
| [04:45:57] | [R]: | i was getting segfault when i would exit the frontend |
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| [04:52:37] | prologic: | wagnerrp, still setting up the backend for the first time... how would you typically run mythtv (the backend) as the user "mythtv" say |
| [04:52:53] | wagnerrp: | how? |
| [04:52:54] | prologic: | and also, do you need 2 input sources if you have dual tuners or just one? |
| [04:53:26] | wagnerrp: | you need one video source per set of channels |
| [04:53:29] | prologic: | I think I was running mythtv-setup as the user that was logged into X |
| [04:53:36] | prologic: | where I should have been running it as root intially? |
| [04:53:51] | wagnerrp: | you should run mythtv-setup as the user that runs the backend |
| [04:53:55] | prologic: | one video source per set of channels per tuner? |
| [04:53:58] | wagnerrp: | and you should not be running the backend as root |
| [04:54:04] | prologic: | so you get the dual tuners working simultaneously? |
| [04:54:12] | wagnerrp: | no, just one video source per set of channels |
| [04:54:20] | prologic: | ok |
| [04:54:22] | wagnerrp: | so if you have multiple tuners that hit the same set of channels, they share the same video source |
| [04:54:36] | prologic: | oh ok |
| [04:54:38] | wagnerrp: | if you have two tuners with partially overlapping channels, those need to be two separate sources |
| [04:54:44] | prologic: | so really I only need one video source then and one set of channels |
| [04:56:42] | prologic: | hmm |
| [04:56:56] | prologic: | could I change the ownership of the binaries and set the suid bit? |
| [04:57:23] | wagnerrp: | you plan on starting this with a set of init scripts, correct? |
| [04:57:56] | prologic: | *nods* |
| [04:58:06] | wagnerrp: | and init scripts get run by root? |
| [04:58:12] | prologic: | correct |
| [04:59:13] | wagnerrp: | so does the init system not have some mechanism to run an application as a certain user? |
| [04:59:31] | prologic: | no, I would have to write it as such |
| [04:59:40] | prologic: | su -c "mythbackend ..." – mythtv |
| [04:59:42] | prologic: | for example |
| [04:59:43] | wagnerrp: | well then its as simple as using 'su' |
| [04:59:43] | wagnerrp: | right |
| [05:00:00] | prologic: | what about mythtv-setup though? |
| [05:00:16] | prologic: | can I just run that as the X user that's logged in right now (media) get the config out |
| [05:00:21] | prologic: | and move it into mythtv's home dir? |
| [05:00:28] | wagnerrp: | you can, but you lose out on a number of permissions checks |
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| [05:01:08] | prologic: | I just tried changing the ownsership of mythtv-setup and setting the suid bit and runnign it – can't connect to X :/ |
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| [05:01:31] | wagnerrp: | yep, that will happen |
| [05:02:18] | prologic: | hmm |
| [05:02:37] | prologic: | this is unlike me :) I have no idea how to get mythtv-setup running as the right user |
| [05:02:38] | prologic: | heh |
| [05:03:16] | wagnerrp: | if you want to do it that way, you have to mess with the .Xauthority for the user running X |
| [05:03:41] | prologic: | would you really just recommend logged out of X and logging into X as the mythtv user? |
| [05:03:47] | prologic: | configuring up mythtv-setup |
| [05:03:50] | prologic: | write the init script |
| [05:05:12] | bb_bat_: | Hey guys, seem to be having some bootup issues after upgrading to 11.10. When booting up, it repeatedly flashes the Nvidia splash, but never boots up. Any thoughts would be appreciated? |
| [05:05:33] | prologic: | heh |
| [05:05:48] | prologic: | that's why I reinstalled and blew away my Mythbuntu :/ |
| [05:05:53] | prologic: | the upgrade broke everything |
| [05:06:20] | bb_bat_: | oh, that is making me sad :( |
| [05:06:32] | prologic: | made me very angry :) |
| [05:07:04] | bb_bat_: | wow, so you had to reinstall everything |
| [05:07:06] | wagnerrp: | bb_bat_: meaning its just sitting there at a login screen? |
| [05:07:30] | bb_bat_: | No, it is sitting there at a blank screen |
| [05:07:50] | bb_bat_: | no desktop environment |
| [05:07:53] | wagnerrp: | not sure about that... ubuntu 11.10 moved to a login manager different from the previous gdm |
| [05:07:58] | wagnerrp: | one that doesnt support auto-login |
| [05:08:07] | bb_bat_: | ahhhh |
| [05:08:07] | [R]: | nodm FTW |
| [05:08:16] | [R]: | wagnerrp: do you still think its a stupid thing? |
| [05:08:23] | wagnerrp: | what? |
| [05:08:28] | [R]: | nodm |
| [05:08:35] | wagnerrp: | no desktop manager? i agree completely |
| [05:08:45] | [R]: | no, the program caleld 'nodm' |
| [05:09:11] | wagnerrp: | oh.. i guess you could do that |
| [05:09:18] | wagnerrp: | i log in at a lower level |
| [05:09:49] | prologic: | I found the the kernel upgrade in Mythbuntu broke everything |
| [05:09:57] | prologic: | so booting into the previous kernel worked |
| [05:10:12] | wagnerrp: | are they running 3.x? or the abortive 2.6.40? |
| [05:10:25] | prologic: | 3.0.4 I'm pretty sure it was |
| [05:10:28] | bb_bat_: | 3.x |
| [05:10:32] | wagnerrp: | wow |
| [05:10:50] | prologic: | bb_bat_, try booting nito the previous kernel |
| [05:10:52] | prologic: | might work |
| [05:10:53] | wagnerrp: | i heard several distros had renamed the 3.x line to 2.6.40, because their system could not handle a different base number |
| [05:10:57] | [R]: | wagnerrp: ok, well i've just successfully dumped nbd... now to get suspend working |
| [05:11:19] | prologic: | wagnerrp, with crux we build our own kernels by hand :) |
| [05:11:24] | wagnerrp: | [R]: yeah... but youre mounting an nfs share containing a disk image, which you loop mount as root |
| [05:11:28] | wagnerrp: | thats just funky... |
| [05:11:52] | [R]: | haha |
| [05:11:56] | [R]: | but my initramfs script is AWESOME |
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| [05:12:09] | bb_bat_: | thanks guys, I will do some digging and report back if I find anything |
| [05:12:13] | [R]: | i tried doint mount -o loop server:/the.img /mnt |
| [05:12:15] | [R]: | but that failed |
| [05:12:17] | wagnerrp: | gentoo has some system to automatically generate kernels for you, but ive never successfully used it |
| [05:12:29] | wagnerrp: | of course it did |
| [05:12:34] | wagnerrp: | you cant mix multiple mount types |
| [05:12:50] | [R]: | lol |
| [05:12:55] | [R]: | but it would have been legendary if it worked |
| [05:13:08] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User:Wagnerrp#iSCS . . . _progress.29 |
| [05:13:39] | [R]: | yeah, that stuff seems way too complicated |
| [05:14:06] | wagnerrp: | well it only works if youre using images, rather than folder shares |
| [05:14:34] | wagnerrp: | and honestly, i dont see using images worthwhile unless you intend to run multiple systems off cloned copies of those images |
| [05:14:55] | wagnerrp: | and then, running cloned copies of large files like that is a nuisance without a COW filesystem backing the whole thing |
| [05:15:00] | Beirdo: | or need to reset back to a clean image fairly often |
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| [05:15:32] | wagnerrp: | snapshots rock |
| [05:15:34] | [R]: | i love being able to screw arounbd in the booted system |
| [05:15:41] | Beirdo: | and moooooo |
| [05:15:43] | [R]: | and then just wipe out the changes in the cow |
| [05:16:05] | ** wagnerrp has his cow and eats it too ** | |
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| [05:16:50] | Beirdo: | yummy cow |
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| [05:17:28] | Oleg_: | what does this error mean? |
| [05:17:31] | Oleg_: | DTVSM(/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0) Error: Wrong PMT; pmt->pn(4) desired(3) |
| [05:17:35] | wagnerrp: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niOm01dEzzI |
| [05:20:25] | Beirdo: | hehehe, good for vegetarians everywhere |
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| [05:21:34] | wagnerrp: | i heard that head of lettuce scream |
| [05:21:36] | iamlindoro: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVgh76BQE30&feature=related |
| [05:22:10] | wagnerrp: | holy crap, did he just punch a plug of flesh out of that guy's chest? |
| [05:22:14] | wagnerrp: | i mean how is that even possible? |
| [05:23:20] | wagnerrp: | you know, its amusing that people have to put those clips up with bogus audio so it doesnt get caught by the copyright filter |
| [05:23:45] | wagnerrp: | if anything, you would think those short clips would be great advertising |
| [05:23:51] | wagnerrp: | i know i want to go rent a copy of kung pow |
| [05:25:32] | [R]: | you want to rent a copy of food? |
| [05:25:34] | [R]: | how does that work? |
| [05:25:56] | wagnerrp: | with a fist |
| [05:26:01] | wagnerrp: | ... that is entering |
| [05:26:23] | [R]: | did i tell you i successfully was able to unbind nouveau and load nvidia afterwards? |
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| [05:47:08] | prologic: | 2011-10–23 15:46:40.327 MythFontProperties, Error: Failed to load 'Droid Sans', got 'Bitstream Vera Sans' instead |
| [05:47:18] | prologic: | I'm getting a few font-related errors on the frontend |
| [05:47:36] | [R]: | so install the missing fonts? |
| [05:48:17] | prologic: | I'd love to, if I knew what the font was :) |
| [05:48:26] | prologic: | I don't believe we CRUXers package many fonts to behing with |
| [05:48:31] | prologic: | just all the xorg defaults |
| [05:48:54] | [R]: | thats the 'droid sans' font |
| [05:49:03] | prologic: | yeah obviously :) |
| [05:49:10] | prologic: | but like a prt-get search droid |
| [05:49:12] | prologic: | or fsearch droid |
| [05:49:14] | prologic: | turned up nothing |
| [05:49:21] | prologic: | looks like I might have to package up some new fonts |
| [05:49:28] | iamlindoro: | why would fonts need packaging? |
| [05:49:39] | iamlindoro: | they're single files |
| [05:49:54] | iamlindoro: | find the font, install it in your font directory, rebuild your font cache, done |
| [05:50:10] | prologic: | because it makes it eazsier for others :) |
| [05:50:17] | iamlindoro: | it's *one file* |
| [05:50:32] | iamlindoro: | having a package for single font files is an insane idea |
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| [06:16:11] | prologic: | woo |
| [06:16:19] | prologic: | 12hrs later and it's 99% there |
| [06:19:19] | prologic: | next up I'll get that shephard xmltv grabbers going |
| [06:19:23] | prologic: | need to install xmltv |
| [06:19:36] | prologic: | oh and still hven't compiled the plugins yet |
| [06:19:36] | prologic: | :) |
| [06:21:29] | prologic: | umm |
| [06:21:37] | prologic: | do I really need all the other storage groups setup? |
| [06:21:45] | prologic: | I only have the LiveTV group setup atm |
| [06:22:01] | prologic: | and so far watching livetv and recording works just fine |
| [06:22:20] | prologic: | obviously I'll setup the videos groups when I install the plugins to tell it where the videos are |
| [06:26:38] | wagnerrp: | you seem to be running counter to your distro's ethos |
| [06:27:07] | wagnerrp: | pre-configuring where the user is to store their existing media library |
| [06:27:31] | prologic: | eh? |
| [06:27:49] | wagnerrp: | specifying a directory in the database as part of the package installation |
| [06:28:03] | prologic: | oh no I'm not doing that |
| [06:28:09] | prologic: | I'm configuring the instance |
| [06:28:15] | prologic: | not anything package related |
| [06:28:19] | prologic: | anyway gotta go :) |
| [06:28:22] | wagnerrp: | oh, your specific install |
| [06:28:41] | wagnerrp: | the mythbuntu stuff configures storage paths as part of the installation process |
| [06:28:53] | wagnerrp: | i suppose thats good for something designed to autoconfigure itself |
| [06:29:00] | wagnerrp: | but... i never much liked that behavior |
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| [07:26:38] | Beirdo: | hmmm |
| [07:26:49] | Beirdo: | ulimit: core file size: cannot modify limit: Operation not permitted |
| [07:27:16] | Beirdo: | porque no? |
| [07:27:24] | wagnerrp: | porque? |
| [07:27:46] | wagnerrp: | is that talking french margarine? |
| [07:27:52] | wagnerrp: | their version of parkay |
| [07:28:28] | Beirdo: | wrong language :) |
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| [07:28:36] | FabriceMG: | wagnerrp, I have 1 problem with mythtv-setup |
| [07:28:50] | Beirdo: | hmmm, wonder what I have to slap here |
| [07:29:08] | FabriceMG: | i lauch mythtv-setup |
| [07:29:14] | wagnerrp: | wrong language? i thought those french liked that 'que' syllable |
| [07:29:29] | Beirdo: | unless I spelled it wrong... Spanish |
| [07:29:33] | FabriceMG: | i have 1 popup message |
| [07:29:46] | wagnerrp: | likely something about the backend running |
| [07:29:49] | wagnerrp: | asking if you want to terminate it |
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| [07:29:54] | FabriceMG: | yep |
| [07:29:58] | Beirdo: | gah, I wanted por que |
| [07:30:08] | Beirdo: | why vs because |
| [07:30:09] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [07:30:09] | FabriceMG: | wagnerrp, no |
| [07:30:21] | FabriceMG: | after this message |
| [07:30:34] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: dont we have some code to reset ulimits after changing users? |
| [07:30:43] | wagnerrp: | i think sphery added something of that sort a few weeks back |
| [07:30:55] | Beirdo: | this is in my wrapper script |
| [07:32:24] | FabriceMG: | wagnerrp, "La communication avec le serveur Backend Maitre n'a pu être établie. Est-il en fonction et son adresse IP paramétrée dans le programme de configuration est-elle correcte ?" |
| [07:32:44] | wagnerrp: | i have no idea what that error means |
| [07:32:59] | FabriceMG: | translated -> Communication with the Master Backend server could not be established. Is it a function and its IP address set in the setup is correct? |
| [07:33:16] | FabriceMG: | on my master and on my slave backend |
| [07:33:36] | Beirdo: | I don't get why it works on one box, and not on another. |
| [07:33:42] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: since when does mythtv-setup complain about not being able to access the backend? |
| [07:33:50] | Beirdo: | since recently |
| [07:33:55] | wagnerrp: | huh... |
| [07:33:56] | Beirdo: | someone complained last week |
| [07:34:06] | wagnerrp: | dont know why we would do such a thing |
| [07:34:14] | Beirdo: | it's a recent screwup somewhere |
| [07:34:16] | FabriceMG: | impossible to access at mythtv-setup , it's popup appears |
| [07:34:26] | wagnerrp: | unless its something accidentally carried over from the frontend |
| [07:34:32] | Beirdo: | it likely was |
| [07:34:53] | Beirdo: | hmmm. |
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| [07:35:53] | prologic: | wagnerrp, so typically LiveTV and Videos group is enough? |
| [07:36:13] | wagnerrp: | prologic: Default is needed for recording |
| [07:36:27] | wagnerrp: | livetv will fall back to Default if nothing is defined for LiveTV |
| [07:36:37] | wagnerrp: | Videos, and the various artwork stuff, is specific to MythVideo |
| [07:36:47] | [R]: | wagnerrp: well, looks like i can suspend and wakeup just fine without the nbd... i had to unload lirc_serial though |
| [07:37:19] | wagnerrp: | i recall some issue where my USB bus would never reset |
| [07:37:26] | wagnerrp: | i found a bit of code that would do it for me |
| [07:37:38] | wagnerrp: | although to be honest, i dont know if i could lay my hands on it if i neede |
| [07:37:39] | wagnerrp: | d |
| [07:38:01] | FabriceMG: | wagnerrp, there is one month, I had this message, but 1 click on OK, the popup is off , now it keeps coming |
| [07:38:02] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: im reworking the logging interface in the bindings to better match the new one in mythtv |
| [07:38:38] | wagnerrp: | im going to have it automatically process any of those logging options it finds on the command line |
| [07:38:54] | wagnerrp: | and set itself up accordingly |
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| [07:39:37] | Beirdo: | cool :) |
| [07:40:05] | wagnerrp: | doing what could be considered a "bad thing" |
| [07:40:08] | Beirdo: | ahhh /etc/profile had ulimit -c 100000 |
| [07:40:51] | wagnerrp: | abusing __new__ to configure the class before it has a chance to instantiate, and detach a couple immutable variables |
| [07:42:29] | wagnerrp: | so much fun can be had finding new and interesting ways to abuse the internals of that language |
| [07:42:52] | wagnerrp: | oh if only it werent so slow and single threaded |
| [07:43:12] | [R]: | "Fixed COM Port issue after S3 Resume" |
| [07:43:19] | [R]: | haha, what are the chances that thats the bug i'm seeing |
| [07:43:31] | [R]: | now i need to figure out how to update the stupid bios |
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| [08:09:00] | k-man: | I update mythtv fixes from git today, and now I seem to get 2 instances of each new recording in the watch recordings screen, one of them says it can't find the file, the other plays fine |
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| [08:13:18] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: what are the two numbers in brackets in the logs? |
| [08:13:27] | k-man: | what are you writing beirdo? |
| [08:13:31] | wagnerrp: | process and thread id? |
| [08:13:35] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: correct |
| [08:13:44] | Beirdo: | k-man: starting some GPU stuff |
| [08:13:57] | Beirdo: | it's seemingly busting the logging somehow |
| [08:14:05] | wagnerrp: | odd that on a short running task like mythmetadatalookup, process id would be 56733, while threadid would be 100954 |
| [08:14:20] | wagnerrp: | unless thats how freebsd numbers such things |
| [08:14:20] | Beirdo: | that's on freebsd? |
| [08:14:29] | wagnerrp: | processes are <100000, threads are > |
| [08:14:30] | Beirdo: | yeah, not sure on freebsd |
| [08:14:41] | k-man: | Beirdo, gpu stuff to do what? |
| [08:14:49] | Beirdo: | commflagging |
| [08:14:52] | wagnerrp: | surely no one will ever need to run more than 100000 processes at the same time! |
| [08:14:53] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [08:15:03] | Beirdo: | but first I need it to behave bit by bit |
| [08:15:21] | Beirdo: | as soon as I use opencl, it goes a bit wonky |
| [08:18:06] | ** wagnerrp needs more rock with classical instruments ** | |
| [08:20:15] | k-man: | Beirdo, ah, sounds interesting |
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| [08:22:15] | wagnerrp: | k-man: you do have to realize hes like seven years of effort into this project |
| [08:22:17] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/gputrans/donations.php |
| [08:22:19] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [08:22:35] | Beirdo: | yeah, not continuous effort, unfortunately |
| [08:22:40] | k-man: | oh |
| [08:22:43] | k-man: | no, I had no idae |
| [08:23:01] | wagnerrp: | of course anything from 7 years ago is completely waste now |
| [08:23:17] | wagnerrp: | that field is simply moving too fast |
| [08:23:32] | Beirdo: | yeah, Cg is way passe :) |
| [08:23:48] | wagnerrp: | perhaps opencl will provide a less mobile target |
| [08:24:05] | Beirdo: | That's certainly my hope |
| [08:24:48] | Beirdo: | right now, I'm getting some fun with opencl + myth's logging |
| [08:24:58] | Beirdo: | not sure quite why |
| [08:25:07] | Beirdo: | unless they went and closed something |
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| [08:28:39] | Beirdo: | it was me being a bonehead |
| [08:28:41] | Beirdo: | hhehe |
| [08:31:13] | k-man: | wow very strange stuff with my hdhr since I updated .24fixes |
| [08:32:48] | k-man: | seems like programs record for a while then something goes wrong with the recording and it aborts |
| [08:34:40] | Beirdo: | ahhh, problem solved. YAY |
| [08:35:00] | k-man: | http://pastie.org/2744188 |
| [08:36:12] | k-man: | ance once the error happens, it appears as though it is still recording in the watch-recordings window, but its not recording |
| [08:36:16] | k-man: | any ideas? |
| [08:36:21] | Beirdo: | fricking downref spew |
| [08:36:45] | ** wagnerrp expects he may be at fault for some of that ** | |
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| [08:37:04] | Beirdo: | what I don't get is why I don't see the corresponding upref spew |
| [08:37:55] | Beirdo: | http://pastebin.com/zSrzfq90 |
| [08:37:57] | Beirdo: | muhahahah |
| [08:42:52] | k-man: | ok, here is a longer paste of the backend output when the error happens |
| [08:42:55] | k-man: | http://pastebin.com/ijQVUPBD |
| [08:42:58] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: looks like im just faking the thread id for now |
| [08:43:28] | Beirdo: | could be. We put in code for it, but we haven't tested it much for freebsd |
| [08:43:33] | wagnerrp: | no, python |
| [08:43:40] | Beirdo: | ooooh |
| [08:43:42] | Beirdo: | right |
| [08:43:43] | wagnerrp: | python does not seem to have a mechanism for retrieving it |
| [08:43:54] | Beirdo: | you could just leave it out (like we do in Windows) |
| [08:43:55] | wagnerrp: | they have their own funky internal object id bound to a thread |
| [08:44:06] | wagnerrp: | just [process/]? |
| [08:44:13] | Beirdo: | [process] |
| [08:44:21] | wagnerrp: | i can do that |
| [08:44:59] | Beirdo: | if it won't let ya get the info. meh :) |
| [08:45:23] | wagnerrp: | well im getting values like 34374435264 |
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| [08:45:45] | Beirdo: | hehe |
| [08:45:55] | Beirdo: | looks pointerish |
| [08:45:57] | wagnerrp: | note thats 34 billion |
| [08:46:01] | wagnerrp: | so its a 64-bit pointer |
| [08:46:24] | wagnerrp: | meaning that has the potential to produce some pretty massive values in the logs |
| [08:46:37] | Beirdo: | yeah |
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| [08:58:03] | wagnerrp: | crap |
| [08:58:47] | wagnerrp: | my database access class is designed to log all database transactions |
| [08:58:55] | wagnerrp: | and now i want to add database logging |
| [08:59:03] | wagnerrp: | meaning the transaction will attempt to log itself |
| [09:00:30] | laga: | sounds like one query could keep it busy for days |
| [09:00:49] | wagnerrp: | nah |
| [09:00:57] | wagnerrp: | python will hit its own recursion limit before too long |
| [09:01:04] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [09:01:08] | wagnerrp: | stack limiter |
| [09:01:09] | laga: | ah, too bad |
| [09:01:13] | wagnerrp: | only lets you go so deep |
| [09:01:15] | Beirdo: | we put an exception in the C++ for that |
| [09:01:17] | laga: | less time on the coffee maker :/&/ |
| [09:01:27] | Beirdo: | i.e. don't log the log messages |
| [09:01:30] | wagnerrp: | at some point, it decides "you f--d up!" |
| [09:01:44] | Beirdo: | by checking for "INSERT INTO logging" |
| [09:02:23] | wagnerrp: | i think ill just feed it a dummy logging object |
| [09:02:37] | wagnerrp: | so it attempts to log and goes nowhere |
| [09:02:50] | Beirdo: | sounds fun |
| [09:02:52] | Beirdo: | :) |
| [09:02:56] | Beirdo: | whatever works |
| [09:03:10] | wagnerrp: | nah, with the way its currently set up, thats all of a couple lines |
| [09:03:41] | wagnerrp: | when you spawn a cursor, you can optionally give it a logging instance to use |
| [09:03:57] | wagnerrp: | to allow you to set the current module |
| [09:04:00] | Beirdo: | ahhh |
| [09:04:14] | wagnerrp: | similar functionality to your named threads |
| [09:05:11] | Beirdo: | right |
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| [09:09:33] | [R]: | wagnerrp: i can't figure it out... im in a chroot in ram, etherwake runs... but the packet never gets there |
| [09:09:53] | wagnerrp: | different subnet? |
| [09:10:07] | wagnerrp: | naughty switch? |
| [09:11:11] | [R]: | it works fine normally |
| [09:11:17] | [R]: | this is after it wakes up frrom suspend |
| [09:11:37] | [R]: | and if i send the packet from another computer, the backend wakes up fine, and the frontend finishes waking up just fine |
| [09:11:48] | wagnerrp: | NIC is not yet active? |
| [09:11:55] | [R]: | mmm |
| [09:12:02] | [R]: | i could test that i guess |
| [09:12:07] | wagnerrp: | you may have to sit there and poll dmesg for the indicator the interface is up |
| [09:12:21] | wagnerrp: | or you can wait for a ping response from the router |
| [09:12:48] | wagnerrp: | log polling in bash is _NOT_ fun |
| [09:13:29] | [R]: | can you send a WOL to multiple macs at once? |
| [09:13:35] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [09:13:47] | wagnerrp: | one packet per target |
| [09:13:50] | [R]: | does it just repeat the same mac a million times in the packet? |
| [09:13:57] | wagnerrp: | yep |
| [09:14:17] | [R]: | i love etherpuppet |
| [09:14:19] | [R]: | you ever used it? |
| [09:14:25] | wagnerrp: | never heard of it |
| [09:14:42] | [R]: | it creates a tun device that receives the traffic from anotehr box running it also |
| [09:14:59] | [R]: | basically i run a program on my router, and then i get a tun device on my laptop that i can run wireshark on, and i can see the traffic on the router |
| [09:15:02] | wagnerrp: | so a remote logger, basically? |
| [09:15:17] | [R]: | more like tunnel |
| [09:15:34] | wagnerrp: | seems easy enough to do with tcpdump/nc |
| [09:16:14] | [R]: | and of course sometimes it doesnt wnt to work |
| [09:16:15] | [R]: | like right now |
| [09:16:36] | [R]: | it doesnt seem to catch traffic that doesnt hit the router's cpu |
| [09:16:43] | [R]: | i.e. between 2 nodes on the switch |
| [09:17:21] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: an int for the log level? |
| [09:17:25] | wagnerrp: | so wasteful... |
| [09:17:28] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [09:23:12] | [R]: | wagnerrp: so it looks liek networking is coming up right away |
| [09:23:21] | [R]: | so the mystery is why isn't the backend getting the packet |
| [09:25:57] | Beirdo: | hehe, blame syslog |
| [09:26:10] | [R]: | hot damn, that worked |
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| [09:29:21] | wagnerrp: | !seen RDVLinux |
| [09:29:22] | MythLogBot: | RDVLinux has not been seen here |
| [09:29:27] | wagnerrp: | !seen RDV_Linux |
| [09:29:28] | MythLogBot: | RDV_Linux was last seen 10 days 8 hours 11 minutes 39 seconds ago |
| [09:29:36] | wagnerrp: | wonder if hes on the server |
| [09:31:51] | k-man: | is it possible that I could have been having problems because I didn't do a make clean before rebuilding? |
| [09:32:00] | wagnerrp: | its possible |
| [09:32:10] | k-man: | anythings possible |
| [09:32:10] | wagnerrp: | always a good thing to try |
| [09:32:16] | wagnerrp: | followed by a ccache flush |
| [09:32:17] | [R]: | everyone at my work always tries to reuse old source trees |
| [09:32:19] | k-man: | yeah, just rebuilt now |
| [09:32:20] | [R]: | and i ALWAYS yell at them |
| [09:32:29] | [R]: | and then anytime they have problems, i tell them i told you so |
| [09:32:47] | ** wagnerrp works on a used source tree ** | |
| [09:33:09] | [R]: | and our make clean isn't the best... |
| [09:33:20] | wagnerrp: | thats why distclean is recommended |
| [09:33:25] | [R]: | lol |
| [09:33:30] | [R]: | we dont have that... |
| [09:33:38] | wagnerrp: | i mean mythtv |
| [09:34:27] | [R]: | so keepalive should be killing this after 20 minutes |
| [09:34:31] | [R]: | i wonder if its actually going to work |
| [09:34:44] | k-man: | wagnerrp, oh, I onlyd did a make clean |
| [09:35:06] | k-man: | anyway, testing watching a recording that is currently recording |
| [09:35:29] | k-man: | No. 1 Ladies detective agency, its a nice little bbc seriece |
| [09:36:50] | ** wagnerrp prefers shows whose characters arent so pretentious ** | |
| [09:37:00] | wagnerrp: | like Archer |
| [09:37:03] | k-man: | oh I also updated the firmware in the hdhr |
| [09:38:36] | k-man: | wagnerrp, ah, not heard of that before, I'll check it out if it comes on here |
| [09:38:50] | wagnerrp: | its a joke |
| [09:39:09] | wagnerrp: | someone claiming to be the 'number one whatever', cant possibly be... theyre just being pretentious |
| [09:39:20] | k-man: | wagnerrp, oh, I see |
| [09:39:23] | wagnerrp: | unless youre sterling archer, because he really is that awesome |
| [09:40:05] | wagnerrp: | [r] |
| [09:40:12] | wagnerrp: | [R] |
| [09:40:20] | wagnerrp: | [R]!!!! |
| [09:40:21] | k-man: | it's based in Botswana – maybe its not so pretentious there? |
| [09:42:41] | [R]: | what? |
| [09:43:16] | wagnerrp: | danger zone... |
| [09:43:30] | [R]: | nice |
| [09:43:36] | [R]: | looks like nfs is recovering perfectly |
| [09:43:52] | [R]: | and myth/mysql reconnects like a charm too |
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| [09:46:47] | Beirdo: | yay! |
| [09:49:50] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: are logs of database activity in INFO or DEBUG? |
| [09:50:00] | wagnerrp: | im assuming the latter |
| [09:50:00] | Beirdo: | debug |
| [09:51:58] | Beirdo: | http://www.beirdo.ca/~gjhurlbu/test/mythgpucommflag.log |
| [09:52:01] | Beirdo: | yyeeeehaw |
| [09:52:46] | Beirdo: | basically converted teh oclDeviceQuery example into myth-land |
| [09:53:03] | wagnerrp: | denorm? |
| [09:53:05] | Beirdo: | which is a start :) |
| [09:53:21] | Beirdo: | ?? |
| [09:53:47] | Beirdo: | that's basically a dump of the capabilities of the GPUs |
| [09:53:48] | wagnerrp: | CL_DEVICE_SINGLE_FP_CONFIG |
| [09:53:57] | wagnerrp: | yeah... just wondering what 'denorm' could be |
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| [09:54:09] | Beirdo: | it likely means you don't need to normalize |
| [09:54:10] | wagnerrp: | other than a normalization against a different value |
| [09:54:50] | Beirdo: | not sure :) |
| [09:55:40] | Beirdo: | that was painful enough... I think I'll go to bed |
| [09:55:56] | wagnerrp: | i assume the majority of the commflagger is floating point math? |
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| [09:56:18] | Beirdo: | yeah, pretty much |
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| [09:56:47] | wagnerrp: | you realize, im currently doing what you had to do several months ago |
| [09:57:02] | wagnerrp: | dig through thousands of lines of code to alter VERBOSE calls |
| [09:57:06] | Beirdo: | converting every log call in existance? |
| [09:57:08] | wagnerrp: | ... of course in your case, it was millions |
| [09:57:16] | Beirdo: | git grep is your friend :) |
| [09:57:28] | wagnerrp: | well, ive only got a handful of files to deal with |
| [09:57:37] | Beirdo: | cool, that does help |
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| [09:59:35] | Beirdo: | I think a lot of what I just put in will get moved to LOG_DEBUG, and maybe a new VB_ |
| [09:59:48] | Beirdo: | VB_OPENCL for instance |
| [09:59:59] | Beirdo: | but I'm too tired to consider that tonight |
| [10:00:19] | wagnerrp: | but its only 6am |
| [10:00:29] | Beirdo: | 3am here |
| [10:00:34] | Beirdo: | it's night for me |
| [10:00:56] | Beirdo: | morning for you, you silly never-sleeping kuniggit |
| [10:01:31] | Beirdo: | anyways, night |
| [10:01:39] | wagnerrp: | night |
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| [10:22:35] | wagnerrp: | jams: i forget, do you have an account on the server? |
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| [10:33:16] | k-man: | its amazing how much quieter you mythtv box is now that I vacuumed all the dust out of it |
| [10:33:54] | wagnerrp: | oh? actively controlled fans? |
| [10:40:19] | k-man: | I think it might have yeah.. and the CPU heatsink was totally clogged |
| [10:40:35] | k-man: | its an older Dell computer |
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| [13:16:50] | StevenR: | hmmm. some of my recording no longer work (the video is the right length, but all black)... other recordings work. |
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| [13:26:02] | dekarl: | StevenR: define "some" and define "other" :) |
| [13:26:29] | dekarl: | and is it the recording or the playback that "no longer works"? |
| [13:27:46] | StevenR: | dekarl: ok... I recorded some shows, watched them, everything worked. Now when I try to watch them again, I just get a black screen. The controls all still work, but there's no audio, and the video is black. |
| [13:27:59] | StevenR: | dekarl: other shows work fine. |
| [13:28:29] | StevenR: | there's just a few that are affected in this way |
| [13:30:02] | dekarl: | sounds like something in the playback pipeline changed. Did you update something? |
| [13:31:02] | StevenR: | I've moved from ubuntu 11.04 -> 11.10 |
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| [13:32:26] | dekarl: | Ok, and is there some property that can be used to tell if recordings are working/broken? (like all HD works, all SD is broken or similar) |
| [13:33:17] | StevenR: | not that I can see. The recordings I've found to be broken all appear to be the same channel so far, but other things from that channel work |
| [13:34:06] | dekarl: | might be worth to take a look at the log. but I'm not fluent in "-v playback" or what these options are to get more details |
| [13:35:54] | dekarl: | running the frontend as "mythfrontend -v playback" (just saw that on the wiki) might give some hints in the logfile |
| [13:38:11] | StevenR: | oo. lots and lots of AFD: No codec context. Returning false |
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| [13:39:42] | dekarl: | doesn't ring a bell. I'd put the log (from hitting play to hitting stop) on pastebin and ask again when the experts are awake again ;) |
| [13:40:26] | dekarl: | hmm, maybe starting the log at startup (so the version information is there, too) makes even more sense |
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| [14:00:51] | StevenR: | dekarl: thanks. The log file is even more verbose than the terminal output |
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| [14:01:00] | StevenR: | so I've got something to go on hopefully |
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| [14:42:54] | Oleg_: | hi |
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| [14:54:27] | john3voltas: | greetings |
| [15:00:24] | john3voltas: | i'm willing to build an htpc. i'll add a skystar hd2 to it to grab satellite transmitions. i was going to build a mini-itx but found this article http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/25w-performance-pc,2551.html |
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| [15:01:13] | john3voltas: | anyone knows a good setup for mythtv? |
| [15:05:03] | dekarl: | john3voltas: it depends on what you want to do. (just like when buying a car. just asking "anybody know a good car" is missing some information) See http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hardware_Requirements |
| [15:07:32] | john3voltas: | dekarl: i'm looking at the requirements. be back in a moment. |
| [15:11:00] | dekarl: | Sounds like you want a HTPC with combined frontend/backend roles. If the PC is in the viewing room (opposed to being in the next room) I'd look at silent hardware. As you want run the frontend on it I'd look at Nvidia cards (known to work well with MythTV 0.24-fixes on Linux). As this is going to be a dedicated box I'd suggest to look at mythbuntu. (and the Ubuntu hardware support) |
| [15:12:23] | john3voltas: | dekarl: exactly. i'm looking for both front and backend in the same box |
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| [16:46:03] | ** iamlindoro trouts wagnerrp for calling file browse mode "browse mode" in yet another forum post ** | |
| [16:46:54] | wagnerrp: | is there a 'browse mode' otherwise? |
| [16:47:12] | iamlindoro: | There are two terms-- "browse view" which is a themed layout, and "file browse mode" which is related to what content is in the tree |
| [16:47:22] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [16:47:29] | iamlindoro: | "browse mode" is what would happen if they had a baby |
| [16:47:53] | iamlindoro: | They're also on the same menu screen, so telling people they're in "browse mode" is a recipe for them telling you they're not |
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| [17:53:07] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: the syslog facilities are not sequential, but theyre not bitfields either |
| [17:53:18] | wagnerrp: | 0, 8, 16, 24, 32, 48, .... |
| [17:53:25] | wagnerrp: | any idea the reasoning there? |
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| [18:37:28] | dekarl: | sphery: with the next DST->normal switch coming over europe next weekend, any chance to get http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/8217 commited? (it's a hack and but the real fix is postponed past 0.25) |
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| [19:56:50] | [R]: | is it possible to tell the frontend to quit from the network control port? |
| [20:01:02] | prologic: | wagnerrp, kk yeah got that :) found out the hard way :) |
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| [20:01:23] | prologic: | wagnerrp, also mythbackend does support --user which is good |
| [20:01:50] | prologic: | # ps aux | grep myth |
| [20:01:50] | prologic: | mythtv 16404 6.2 0.9 289572 25532 ? Ssl Oct23 30:45 /usr/bin/mythbackend -d -l /var/log/mythbackend.log -p /var/run/mythbackend.pid --user mythtv |
| [20:01:50] | prologic: | media 16445 0.4 2.6 233484 75044 ? Sl Oct23 2:08 mythfrontend |
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| [20:05:15] | justinh: | I never saw the point in the No.1 Detective Agency. I couldn't git away wit dee accents |
| [20:06:18] | [R]: | echo "query location" | netcat localhost 6546 | egrep "\# [a-z]" | sed 's/# \(.*\)/\1/' |
| [20:06:23] | [R]: | can anyone think of a better alternative to taht? |
| [20:07:10] | [R]: | is that stuff available on 6547? |
| [20:07:25] | wagnerrp: | prologic: IMHO, it shouldnt |
| [20:08:04] | wagnerrp: | i think 6547 doesnt do anything but provide snapshot |
| [20:08:05] | wagnerrp: | s |
| [20:08:21] | [R]: | its got a pretty remote control interface... |
| [20:08:28] | [R]: | http://mythfront:6547/MythFE/GetRemote |
| [20:08:32] | prologic: | wagnerrp, well the init script works nicely anyway :) |
| [20:08:36] | prologic: | well I did write it :) |
| [20:11:49] | [R]: | so it seems you can send random things, but not query the location |
| [20:11:50] | [R]: | oh well |
| [20:11:55] | ** [R] sticks to his ugly netcat ** | |
| [20:12:33] | wagnerrp: | what are you polling this information for? |
| [20:13:19] | [R]: | when i go to suspend, i want to get the current menu the frontend is on |
| [20:13:25] | [R]: | then switch to mainmenu, then send the key to exit |
| [20:13:36] | [R]: | then when i come out of suspend, the frontend is going to restart, then i am gong to put it back on the menu it was |
| [20:14:17] | [R]: | OR... maybe i can just always put it back on the watch recordings menu |
| [20:14:21] | [R]: | since that is what it is always going ot be |
| [20:14:23] | [R]: | lol |
| [20:14:28] | wagnerrp: | ah, force it to exit so its not holding the backend open? |
| [20:15:07] | [R]: | yeah, the keepalive takes care of it |
| [20:15:11] | [R]: | but keepalive is nasty |
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| [20:22:31] | wagnerrp: | hah! |
| [20:22:37] | wagnerrp: | 'how to make 0.24 more like 0.21' |
| [20:22:55] | [R]: | i saw that |
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| [20:23:46] | wagnerrp: | i thought 0-byte files were automatically hidden |
| [20:24:31] | [R]: | i see them every now and then |
| [20:24:47] | justinh: | I used to, then I went back to the source :-) |
| [20:25:09] | justinh: | wagnerrp: he ported GNAT to mythui? :-D |
| [20:25:40] | iamlindoro: | IULIUS two-four! |
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| [20:26:56] | justinh: | theme watermarks, with added jaggies for an authentic retro feel |
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| [20:54:01] | wagnerrp: | i dont get it |
| [20:54:10] | wagnerrp: | ive got a method that works on its own |
| [20:54:18] | wagnerrp: | but doesnt work when called from some other method |
| [20:56:32] | wagnerrp: | oh, i get it... |
| [20:58:31] | [R]: | Oct 23 13:58:00 mythfront kernel: [12815.095232] PM: Preparing system for mem sleep |
| [20:58:36] | [R]: | why is it always PREPARING |
| [20:58:45] | [R]: | i can't remember the exact quote |
| [21:00:18] | dekarl: | because unprepaired sleep would result in unpleasant surprises when waking up again? |
| [21:00:56] | [R]: | lol |
| [21:01:06] | [R]: | it was supposed to be tied to a movie/tv quote.. but i coudln't quite rember what it was |
| [21:01:30] | wagnerrp: | sleep or sleep not, there is no prepare |
| [21:02:04] | [R]: | its something like one guy says to the next to prepare to go to fire... and then some other guy says "why are you awlays preparing, shoudn't he always be ready to fire?" |
| [21:02:18] | [R]: | and i just rememberd what itw as... it was on stargate hwen sg1 was on the shakedown of the prometheus |
| [21:02:30] | wagnerrp: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WyckZOfrio |
| [21:03:48] | [R]: | this is another quote |
| [21:03:49] | [R]: | Dr. Jackson: Uh, you should probably prepare to fire. |
| [21:03:49] | [R]: | Maj. Marks: For the record, I'm always prepared to fire. I just have to press this button here. |
| [21:04:27] | wagnerrp: | well, maybe you have to depressurize the tubes and open outer doors |
| [21:04:37] | [R]: | i found it |
| [21:04:45] | [R]: | [prometheus officer] Goa'uld vessel is within range, sir. |
| [21:04:45] | [R]: | [prometheus commander] Weapons Officer, prepare to fire. |
| [21:04:45] | [R]: | [O'Neill] He's weapons officer. You'd think he'd be prepared. |
| [21:04:45] | [R]: | [Teal'c] Indeed. |
| [21:04:45] | wagnerrp: | one radar pulse to verify range to target |
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| [21:26:31] | [R]: | wagnerrp: so the backend isn't recognizing that it's idle |
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| [21:40:46] | high-rez: | For those of you who use mythtv and the hdhomerun prime: what's the experience? Is most of the stuff copy freely, or is it mostly not? |
| [21:41:20] | [R]: | theres tons of stuff on the mailinglist |
| [21:41:29] | [R]: | it depends 100% on who your operator is and where you live |
| [21:42:14] | high-rez: | [R]: I guess I'd be looking for general feedback on comcast? |
| [21:42:15] | wagnerrp: | since you live in Renton, and have access to Comcast |
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| [21:42:42] | wagnerrp: | you will likely receive everything but the premium channels as copy freely |
| [21:43:06] | wagnerrp: | that means no HBO, Showtime, Starz, PPV, On Demand... but everything else is fair game |
| [21:43:17] | wagnerrp: | if you want premiums, you need to stick with a cable box and STB |
| [21:43:45] | wagnerrp: | of course that does mean you are far less likely to have conflicts, and can likely get by with a single analog capture and STB |
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| [21:44:27] | wagnerrp: | the Prime and DCR-2650 have good support in 0.24, and excellent support in 0.25 |
| [21:44:30] | high-rez: | wagnerrp: Hmm. This may be an option – most of my regularly scheduled recordings are all regular channels anyways. Would miss some premium programs. |
| [21:45:51] | high-rez: | I'm semi considering comcast over my sat provider. As much as I hate comcast. |
| [21:52:43] | high-rez: | Awesome, I can't even figure out how to get real pricing from comcast's website. |
| [21:56:28] | high-rez: | Man they're still slimy as ever. Have to read the fine print to see what their service costs. |
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| [22:16:12] | high-rez: | Wow comcast is twice as much as my dishnet service. |
| [22:18:23] | [R]: | wagnerrp: so im trying to debug the backend in gdb... it helps if the source matches the binary ;) |
| [22:19:42] | high-rez: | As far as I can tell my dishnet americas everything for $100/mo would cost about $200/mo on comcast. :/ |
| [22:21:25] | [R]: | that sounds awful |
| [22:26:12] | high-rez: | Its so weird, thjey don't even show me all of the packages they offer... They're still totally awful :( |
| [22:27:09] | [R]: | cox is like that too |
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| [22:28:25] | high-rez: | THey show like 3–4 packages, which all require a long term contract, and only go way up after 3 months (becuase the premiums they throw in are free only for the first three months) |
| [22:28:44] | [R]: | yup |
| [22:28:56] | [R]: | i spreadsheeted it when i was provider searching |
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| [22:29:03] | high-rez: | The sat provider is totally straight forward. Here's what we offer, here's the discount if you're new. |
| [22:29:21] | high-rez: | And, as far as I can tell, cable is twice as much as sat. |
| [22:31:04] | high-rez: | Gah, I give up. Cable card would have been fun to play with, but comcast's packages are just full of hidden costs and dishonesty. |
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