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Twiggy2cents:

wagnerrp, since I know you run a unix system you might be able to answer this. What kernel does unix use? Is it closed source or is it the linux kernel?

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Twiggy2cents:

Or a unix open source kernel

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wagnerrp:

a unix open source kernel

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wagnerrp:

or a unix closed source kernel

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wagnerrp:

both exist

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wagnerrp:

freebsd is an open source variant

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Twiggy2cents:

Gotcha, are they as advanced/actively developed as the linux kernel?

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wagnerrp:

there is no one "unix"

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wagnerrp:

youve got things like scounix, hpux, aix... i think sgi had their own blend in the past, that are all forms of unix

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wagnerrp:

then you have bsd43

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wagnerrp:

which had offshoots in free/net/openbsd

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Twiggy2cents:

What about the open source ones

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Twiggy2cents:

Do the open source kernels share the same base kernel or no?

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wagnerrp:

bsd diverged from unix around 20–25 years ago

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wagnerrp:

free/open/net have since diverged from that, but they are maintained, and share components

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wagnerrp:

OSX uses the old BSD userland, but wrote their own independent kernel

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Twiggy2cents:

Oh so it is like friends with benefits.

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wagnerrp:

the three BSDs can share stuff

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wagnerrp:

but OSX is really too diverged

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wagnerrp:

and gnu/linux never had a common base to begin with

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wagnerrp:

basically, unix is what you would think of as running in the 70s and 80s, declining in the 90s

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wagnerrp:

BSD is an offshoot from berkeley in the 80s, designed by unix people for use on the x86 platform

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wagnerrp:

meanwhile, linux was an independent kernel for the x86 platform, designed to be similar to unix

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wagnerrp:

but a kernel really doesnt do much

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wagnerrp:

so you have gnu, which is richard stallman's baby, written... because hes richard stallman

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wagnerrp:

but linux supplanted hurd as the kernel of choice for the gnu operating system in the early 90s

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Twiggy2cents:

gotcha

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iamlindoro:

Aw, no fringe tonight

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iamlindoro:

and just after that thing happened last week...

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wagnerrp:

not a fan of the mid-season cliff hanger?

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iamlindoro:

boooooo

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iamlindoro:

So many tuners, so little worthwhile programming

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iamlindoro:

I'm liable to get some actual myth work done

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Oleg_:

wagnerrp, whatcha think of C++11 that was recently released?

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wagnerrp:

nothing at all

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Oleg_:

mythtv already has some C++11 code in it?

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iamlindoro:

It's not a new language

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Oleg_:

true

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wagnerrp:

i mean... i dont know enough about C++ to know what difference C++11 would make

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iamlindoro:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/remote.png

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iamlindoro:

anything your remote can do mine can do better

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iamlindoro:

my remote can do anything better than yours

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wagnerrp:

no it cant

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iamlindoro:

yes it can

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[R]:

Oct 21 21:44:43 mythback mythbackend[1128]: RingBuf(/mythtv/recordings/1005_20111021214350.mpg): Waited 0.2 seconds for data #012#011#011#011to become available... 294912 < 360448

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wagnerrp:

no it cant

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[R]:

is that bad?

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iamlindoro:

yes it can

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** iamlindoro gives wagnerrp musical theater points **

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wagnerrp:

come on... who doesnt know that song

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[R]:

so do i ignore it? or what can i change?

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wagnerrp:

[R]: does it repeat several times before outright failing?

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[R]:

it is repeating a lot

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[R]:

but its working fine

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wagnerrp:

or does it just do it once or twice and continue

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wagnerrp:

it may just mean livetv got a bit too close to the recording

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wagnerrp:

or, it could mean your disk or network was bogged down doing something else, and starved your frontend

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[R]:

21:47:12, 21:47:17, 21:47:19, :20, :26

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[R]:

theres nothing else going on on the network or the ocmputer

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wagnerrp:

commflagging?

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[R]:

nope

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[R]:

both cores are like 90% idle

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[R]:

iotop says the backend is doing 1–2MB/s

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iamlindoro:

It's not necessarily a processor thing, but rather a video packet over or underrunning the read block size of myth streaming

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iamlindoro:

our ringbuffer can act a little weird with some content

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iamlindoro:

but if you don't see playback issues it's not work worrying about

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[R]:

is that that option in the mythtv-setup? or does that do something else?

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iamlindoro:

it's not an option

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[R]:

well, its filling up my logs

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wagnerrp:

are you having noticeable playback problems?

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[R]:

but i dont watch livetv that much anyway

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[R]:

no, it seems fine

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wagnerrp:

dont worry about it

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[R]:

i dont see anything in the frontend log either

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[R]:

its literally flooding my logs

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[R]:

oh, so if i pause it

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[R]:

it'll fix it?

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wagnerrp:

for a moment

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wagnerrp:

since it will allow the buffer to fill back up to a point the backend is happy

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[R]:

why only a moment?

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wagnerrp:

but if the problem persists, the buffer will run low again

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[R]:

oh, i was going with your assumption that the live is too close to the end of the recording

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wagnerrp:

ah, didnt know this was livetv you were talking about

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[R]:

yeah

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[R]:

sorry

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[R]:

looks like that fixed it

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[R]:

well, looks liek my new ubuntu 11.10 and myht 0.25 setup is back up and running

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[R]:

now i just need to get suspend to ram working on my frontend

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[R]:

wagnerrp: i can't find your find_orphans script on the wiki, is it gone?

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wagnerrp:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Find_orphans.py

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[R]:

hrm, search blows it seems

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wagnerrp:

indeed

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[R]:

oh wow, its been updated

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[R]:

pretty sweet

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wagnerrp:

it has?

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wagnerrp:

only change since back in december was that fix to bypass the race condition on deletes

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[R]:

well since i last grabbed it

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[R]:

itdindt used to promtp to do stuff

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wagnerrp:

on december 18th

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wagnerrp:

so like 10 months ago

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[R]:

ok, well... from X start to frontend takes FOREVER... i need to profile that

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[R]:

wagnerrp: it takes 10 seconds for my frontend to start, does that seem excessive?

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wagnerrp:

a bit

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wagnerrp:

if you dont have dbus running, it will sit spooling on that for several seconds

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[R]:

no, dbus is running

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[R]:

22:24:46.27 I [1395/1395] CoreContext networkcontrol.cpp:262 (listen) – NetworkControl: Listening for remote connections on port 6546

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[R]:

22:24:51.81 N [1395/1395] CoreContext main.cpp:1041 (RunMenu) – Found mainmenu.xml for theme 'A-Forest'

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[R]:

thats half the time right there

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prologic:

Hey all. Is there a way to ensure recordings have a nice human readable but unique name? Say based on the Channel, Program Name and Episode Title?

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wagnerrp:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythlink.pl

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prologic:

sweet :)

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prologic:

Also I have to ask ... Is there a better (in anyone's opinion) distro than MythBuntu?

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prologic:

I'm extremely frustrated with MythBuntu since a recent upgrade completely b0rked the system to a very broken and unusable state which I had to fix by hand :/

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wagnerrp:

are you familiar with any other linux distros?

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prologic:

yeah I am, and I run CRUX on my servers and desktop and used to be the port maintainer for mythtv for crux a few years back. I'm tempted to rebuild the box with CRUX + MythTV (I've recently updated my ports and got the frontend at least working on my CRUX desktop)

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prologic:

familiar with CentOS for example which I have many systems I maintain at work

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wagnerrp:

some people run centos... personally, i think its a bad idea

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wagnerrp:

mythtv slowly updates to pull in new versions of dependencies

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prologic:

ie: CRUX is mostly source based and so I'm quite intimately familiar with building MythTV from source

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wagnerrp:

and for most people running relatively up to date distros, thats plenty fine

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wagnerrp:

if mythtv requires a 2yr old version of python, there is no problem

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prologic:

hmm

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prologic:

maybe I'm better off doing this myself then

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wagnerrp:

but rhel/centos is intentionally not updated

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prologic:

and reisntalling with CRUX (which is what I srated with but had problems getting the drivers working)

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prologic:

mostly because I didn't nkow what drivers to use – very new hardware

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prologic:

but now I know (kinda cheated with MythBuntu)

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wagnerrp:

so as you get near the end of the life cycle of a version of centos, it becomes unusable for mythtv

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prologic:

*nods*

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wagnerrp:

honestly, i run gentoo

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prologic:

couldn't agree more

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prologic:

yeah :)

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wagnerrp:

source based... but not sure how similar it is to crux

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prologic:

I think I run CRUX for the same reason(s) you run Gentoo

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prologic:

control over everything

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prologic:

very similar I suspect – except for the ports system

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prologic:

portage vs. ports (bsd style – very simple)

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prologic:

we generally have to build the ports by editing Pkgfile (which are just bash scripts)

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wagnerrp:

after getting used to portage, im a bit disappointed in ports

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prologic:

which result in a <package>#<version>.tar.gz of the build

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prologic:

hmm it's not the ports you're thinking of

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wagnerrp:

no, im thinking of bsd ports

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wagnerrp:

not crux

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wagnerrp:

freebsd is makefile based

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prologic:

CRUX's ports and pkgutils (pkgadd, pkgmk, pkddel, pkginfo) were written from scratch by Per Lidon (the original creator of CRUX)

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prologic:

but they share similaraties with BSD-style

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prologic:

and then we have prt-get (dependeciy aware frontend to pkgadd/pkgmk/pkgdel/etc)

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prologic:

eg: prt-get depinst mythtv

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wagnerrp:

ive never really had a use for packages

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prologic:

anyway ... good chat :)

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prologic:

I think you just convinced me I should go back to my original plan

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prologic:

reinstall CRUX

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prologic:

get the latest stable kernel on there

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wagnerrp:

ive got one bsd machine running my backend and servers

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prologic:

upgrade to the latest packages

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prologic:

and go nuts

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wagnerrp:

no reason to share packages with itself

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wagnerrp:

and my gentoo machines are all built off one master image

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wagnerrp:

update the master, apply an overlay, and reboot

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prologic:

yeah I've only got the 2 atm :)

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prologic:

desktop and media box

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prologic:

I wanna get a small frontend box

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prologic:

one of the Zotact boxes

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wagnerrp:

ive got three currently, and could probably clone a new images and overlay for my desktop to boot into in 3–4 minutes

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prologic:

what sort of hw you use for your frontends ?

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prologic:

http://www.zotacusa.com/products/mini-pcs/zbox

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wagnerrp:

2.6GHz AM2 X2 in a combo fe/be

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prologic:

I'm thinking about one of these

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wagnerrp:

2GHz 939 in a dedicated be

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wagnerrp:

1.8GHz 939 X2 in my dev box

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prologic:

http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Zotac . . . AD10/?kc=rss

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prologic:

hmm

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prologic:

this is what I want to use as a frontend

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wagnerrp:

why is that?

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prologic:

looks nice :)

[06:20:50]

wagnerrp:

and... thats about it

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prologic:

plus I think it's hw will be sufficient for a frontend only device

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prologic:

right?

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wagnerrp:

you would be wrong

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prologic:

really?

[06:21:11]

wagnerrp:

really

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prologic:

what's lacking?

[06:21:38]

wagnerrp:

ability to play video

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prologic:

the AMD Radeon? HD 6310 won't do?

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wagnerrp:

the dual core 1.6GHz chip will struggle with anything HD

[06:22:55]

wagnerrp:

my 1.8 is marginal as it is

[06:23:16]

wagnerrp:

HD MPEG2 will be tough, HD H264 is out of the question

[06:23:39]

wagnerrp:

in theory, the HD6310 supports hardware accelerated offloading of both of those tasks

[06:23:55]

prologic:

hmm

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wagnerrp:

in practice, it uses VAAPI, which is only experimentally supported in 0.25

[06:24:06]

wagnerrp:

and AMD graphics drivers are garbage and unstable anywayu

[06:24:25]

prologic:

true

[06:24:29]

wagnerrp:

youre stuck in the same boat as the Atom people with an underpowered CPU

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prologic:

agreed

[06:24:41]

wagnerrp:

although admittedly that CPU is nearly twice as powerful as any Atom

[06:24:47]

wagnerrp:

its still not enough

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prologic:

hmm

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wagnerrp:

but where the Atom people get nVidia graphics in the form of a 9400M or GT218m

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wagnerrp:

you get AMD

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prologic:

I have an Apple TV :)

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prologic:

I could just install linux+mythtv on that

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wagnerrp:

and if you swap out the wifi card with a crystalhd decoder.... well... it still doesnt have enough memory to be a worthwhile frontend

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prologic:

which, the apple tv hw?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, it only has 256MB of memory

[06:28:16]

prologic:

ahh

[06:28:21]

prologic:

tbh I didn't know that :)

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prologic:

well it's back to the drawing board with a dcent looking frontend :)

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prologic:

I'll go read the hw primer on the wiki

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wagnerrp:

the original ATV is a 1GHz Crofton (modified P-M), with a 7300, and 256MB of DDR

[06:29:43]

wagnerrp:

the current ATV is a 1GHz A4 (ARM A9), with a SGX540, and 256MB of DDR

[06:30:09]

wagnerrp:

meaning the current ATV is actually lower performance than the original

[06:30:37]

prologic:

wow :)

[06:30:43]

prologic:

umm dumb question

[06:30:51]

prologic:

but does mythtv need X/Xorg to function?

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wagnerrp:

what part?

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prologic:

or can it output directly with opengl?

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prologic:

the frontend part

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wagnerrp:

output directly with opengl?

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prologic:

it would be nice not to have to install X/Xorg if one can get away without

[06:31:30]

prologic:

yeah with a framebuffer driver or such

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wagnerrp:

framebuffer does have access to such hardware

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prologic:

dunno maybe it's silly

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prologic:

At least a 2800MHz CPU (for HDTV recording playback)

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prologic:

hmm ok :)

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wagnerrp:

well thats back when some people were still using P4s

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prologic:

fair enough

[06:39:20]

prologic:

[06:39:21]

prologic:

NM10 Express

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prologic:

Next-Generation NVIDIA ION? w/512MB DDR3

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prologic:

would that cut it for a frontend?

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prologic:

or "just"

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wagnerrp:

that would work... but i cant bring myself to recommend one

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prologic:

heh ok :)

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prologic:

anything you "would" recommend? :)

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prologic:

forget Zotac :)

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prologic:

they just look niceish ihmo

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wagnerrp:

something that sadly no longer exists now that nvidia got out of the embedded market

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prologic:

hmm

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wagnerrp:

youve either got your ION system, and youre stuck depending on hardware decoding

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wagnerrp:

or you use a very expensive Mac Mini or Acer Vision

[06:44:32]

wagnerrp:

or you use an i3 and suffer through intel graphics

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wagnerrp:

or you use a discrete graphics card

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[R]:

wagnerrp: my theme is on my r/w nfs share... you think myth would load faster if it was part of the r/o nbd mount?

[06:45:19]

wagnerrp:

maybe if the theme cache is

[06:47:01]

prologic:

hmm

[06:47:05]

prologic:

I could live with a Mac mini

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wagnerrp:

you have to get an old one

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wagnerrp:

the new ones went with AMD graphics

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prologic:

serious?

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prologic:

geez

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wagnerrp:

and youre back in the same place as that zotac

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prologic:

why make an embedded systems that doesn't support HD video very well :/

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wagnerrp:

they do just fine

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wagnerrp:

... we just dont have reliable linux drivers for them

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prologic:

good point :)

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prologic:

I had problems even with my current backend/frontend with quite new hw in it

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prologic:

all Intel chipsets

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prologic:

http://whirlpool.net.au/wiki/rmp_sg_whirlpoolpcs_htpc

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wagnerrp:

for a frontend only, scrap the hard drive, tuner, and optical drive

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wagnerrp:

trade the i3 for a cheaper SD pentium

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wagnerrp:

trade the big antec case for an M350 and picopsu

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wagnerrp:

the gigabyte board for some mini-itx one

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wagnerrp:

and corsair, crucial, mushkin, even kingston... i hate gskill

[06:56:56]

wagnerrp:

youll get by for under $250

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prologic:

hmm nice :)

[06:58:06]

wagnerrp:

actually, that 'budget' system, but with no hard drive, optical drive, or tuner

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wagnerrp:

case is a bit big

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prologic:

yeah

[06:59:00]

prologic:

I agree

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prologic:

and I'd go with a nice 60G or smaller SSD in it for it's OS

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wagnerrp:

quite large

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wagnerrp:

you can probably get by with 8–16GB

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wagnerrp:

my iscsi images for my frontends eat all of about 2GB

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prologic:

yup *nosd*

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prologic:

I'm pretty sure I can get that even smaller with crux+mythtv

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prologic:

and you didn't say if I could get away without X/Xorg :)

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wagnerrp:

im sure i could get it under 512MB if i actually tried

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wagnerrp:

no, you need Xorg

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prologic:

ah darn :)

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prologic:

well just Xorg then

[07:02:53]

prologic:

Xorg+mythtv

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prologic:

no window manager or de

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wagnerrp:

no window manager? why?

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prologic:

why would you need one?

[07:08:05]

prologic:

hmm

[07:08:12]

wagnerrp:

focus management, z control

[07:08:19]

wagnerrp:

why would you want to not run one?

[07:08:24]

prologic:

I'm not sure the Asrock H61M-ITX boards will fit in this case: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page . . . ucts_id=6874

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wagnerrp:

get evilwm or ratpoison or fluxbox

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prologic:

but the case sepcs form factor says 9.7" x 9.7"

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prologic:

so it should

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wagnerrp:

takes little file storage or memory

[07:08:57]

prologic:

yeah fluxbox would be ok

[07:09:13]

prologic:

but if you only intend to run the mythtv frontend and nothing else

[07:09:18]

prologic:

I see no need for a window manager

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prologic:

if it dies/crashes, just restart it automatically

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wagnerrp:

because mythtv opens internal windows

[07:09:46]

prologic:

hmm

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prologic:

point taken :)

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wagnerrp:

or if youre using mythbrowser, the webkit libraries can do similar things

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wagnerrp:

especially if using flash

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prologic:

true

[07:10:16]

prologic:

yeah you do have a point

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wagnerrp:

basically, bad things can happen, and youre talking negligible disk and memory

[07:10:25]

prologic:

guess some basic wm is required

[07:10:32]

wagnerrp:

anyway, thats a microatx case

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wagnerrp:

im talking about something like this... http://www.mini-box.com/M350-universal-mini-itx-enclosure

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prologic:

ahh yeah

[07:14:07]

prologic:

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page . . . cts_id=14572

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prologic:

perfect :)

[07:14:53]

prologic:

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page . . . cts_id=18192

[07:14:54]

prologic:

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page . . . cts_id=17726

[07:15:00]

prologic:

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page . . . cts_id=13322

[07:15:05]

prologic:

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page . . . cts_id=14572

[07:15:42]

prologic:

114+15+75+89+

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prologic:

$293

[07:16:02]

prologic:

not including shipping

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wagnerrp:

+15

[07:16:09]

prologic:

4GB of ram?

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wagnerrp:

2 sticks

[07:16:18]

prologic:

kk

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prologic:

308

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prologic:

chuck in 50 for my mate to put it to gether

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prologic:

358 :)

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prologic:

one nice look'n, small frontend that is more than capable of the job :)

[07:17:33]

prologic:

ahh shit

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prologic:

forgot the SSD :)

[07:18:02]

wagnerrp:

please watch the language

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prologic:

sorry

[07:18:44]

prologic:

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page . . . cts_id=18363

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prologic:

+75

[07:18:57]

prologic:

smallest SSD they have

[07:20:54]

prologic:

could always network boot?

[07:20:59]

prologic:

into 1GB of RAM

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prologic:

over Gbe lan

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wagnerrp:

can you even buy 512MB sticks of DDR3?

[07:21:58]

prologic:

not sure, don't think so

[07:23:54]

prologic:

not from PCGC at least

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wagnerrp:

so how would you get 1GB of RAM?

[07:25:43]

prologic:

2x 1GB sticks?

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wagnerrp:

you absolutely want pairs

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prologic:

I'm confused :)

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prologic:

I'll just get the 60GB SSD

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prologic:

could always go CF card with a 2.5" SATA adapter

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wagnerrp:

you would do better with netboot than a cf card

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prologic:

SD/micro-SD ?

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wagnerrp:

much less performance than CF

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prologic:

yeah

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prologic:

OCZ 60GB SSD it is

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prologic:

$383 in parts

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wagnerrp:

the only reason to get an SSD on a frontend is if you intend to reboot often

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Beirdo:

hey stoopid... bring earplugs to concerts :)

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Beirdo:

was a good concert, I tell ya

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wagnerrp:

sure, no one actually goes there to listen to music

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Beirdo:

ummm, earplugs at concerts do not stop you from hearing the music

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Beirdo:

just knock it down from 95dB to 70dB

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Beirdo:

and the stupid things were right beside my wallet. Forgot to grab em

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prologic:

heh

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prologic:

what concert did you seE?

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laga:

i love my earplugs. only way i survived that manowar concert

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wagnerrp:

foreigner and journey

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Beirdo:

and night ranger :)

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Beirdo:

in a very echo-y arena

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wagnerrp:

never heard of 'em

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Beirdo:

I bet you have and didn't know it

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Beirdo:

most people who lived through the 80s likely remember the song "Sister Christian"

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wagnerrp:

no... running through stuff on youtube and not recognizing anything

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Beirdo:

and the lead singer was also in Damn Yankees

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Beirdo:

so I'm sure you've heard HIM :)

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wagnerrp:

i have heard of them

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wagnerrp:

ah, nugent's band

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Beirdo:

nugent and tommy shaw from Styx

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Beirdo:

and jack blades from night ranger

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Beirdo:

and at least one other guy... it was a "supergroup" type of thing

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Beirdo:

they played Can You Take Me High Enough at the concert

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Beirdo:

Foreigner... wow.

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Beirdo:

Journey... even better

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Beirdo:

even with non-original singers for both

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wagnerrp:

i think id rather see sunday night's

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wagnerrp:

but i get the feeling they dont give a good concert

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** wagnerrp goes back to doxygen **

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Beirdo:

which one's that, I forget

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wagnerrp:

portishead

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[R]:

so suspend to ram works flawlessly on my backend

[07:52:49]

wagnerrp:

actually, thats in wamu

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[R]:

and i just tested suspend to ram on my frontend and it works, nwo to hack up a script so my diskless frontend doesnt die when it wakes up w/o a backend

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Beirdo:

ahh

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wagnerrp:

hey! i can pop my wrist again

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wagnerrp:

i think its finally back to normal after falling

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wizbit:

how can i turn off UPnP? Through Mythtv-Setup or sending a option through mythbacked ?

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wizbit:

*end

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wagnerrp:

--no-upnp

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wagnerrp:

unless youre on a shared network, its not really doing any harm by running

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wizbit:

ok thanks, i will edit my init.d script

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wagnerrp:

if you are on a shared network, well... you really should pick up a cheap router

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wizbit:

i will be getting a pfsense box soon

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wagnerrp:

are you on a university resnet?

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wagnerrp:

i mean thats the only real mythtv use scenario i can think of where one would have to worry about security to even consider disabling upnp

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wagnerrp:

the only other use would be preventing autodetection on heterogeneous installations

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wagnerrp:

which would really only be for development or testing

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wizbit:

no just at home, but i dont like the idea of mythtv being browsable on xboxes etc

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wagnerrp:

why?

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wizbit:

people can see my pr*n collection

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wagnerrp:

to be honest, i suppose the upnp server doesnt support any kind of parental control

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wagnerrp:

for that matter, neither do recordings

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wagnerrp:

only mythvideo does

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wagnerrp:

of course in 0.24, the upnp server uses the old local folder definitions for mythvideo content

[08:02:22]

wagnerrp:

so if you simply dont have that set on the backend, it wont share anything, and autodetection can remain active

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wizbit:

oh ok

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wagnerrp:

assuming youre using storage groups to define your content

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wizbit:

/usr/local/bin/mythbackend --noupnp

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wagnerrp:

no dash?

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wizbit:

i havent learnt how to use storagegroups properly yet

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wizbit:

doesnt need it

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wagnerrp:

you specify the folder your content exists in on the backend

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wagnerrp:

and thats it

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wagnerrp:

backend shares out the content to any frontend that requests it

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wizbit:

-noupnp Do not enable the UPNP server

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wagnerrp:

i could have sworn i wrote a dash in there when i rewrote that

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wagnerrp:

guess not

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wizbit:

heh

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** wagnerrp goes back to doxygen **

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: still up?

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Beirdo:

aye

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Beirdo:

sorry, was off watching crappy TV

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wagnerrp:

does doxygen have some special syntax for documenting overloaded functions?

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wagnerrp:

im wondering if i should try setting up doxygen, or just commit it and force the buildbot

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Beirdo:

not sure :(

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Beirdo:

feel free to force the buildbot

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Beirdo:

it's on my backend box, it can take it :)

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prologic:

Any AU users here? I have a problem (have noticed it for a whiel now) with Digial channels and the data I'm getting from DVB-T where TV series/episodes are all the same name and aren't uniquely identifiable

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prologic:

therefore mythtv often doesn't record an episode because it thinks it's already recoreded it

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prologic:

need to figure out a way to fix this or get around the lack of "good data"

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wagnerrp:

shephard is providing bad data?

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prologic:

shephard?

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prologic:

I don't understand

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wagnerrp:

for guide data

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wagnerrp:

shephard is an xmltv provider servicing australia

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prologic:

ahh

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prologic:

I don't believe I'm using that

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prologic:

I'm using whatever is coming off the cards

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prologic:

EFT?

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wagnerrp:

EIT

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prologic:

can't quite remember (without looking at the backend)

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prologic:

EIT

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prologic:

yeah that

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prologic:

cool I'll check out shephard

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prologic:

it's on the wiki?

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wagnerrp:

no idea

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prologic:

hmm

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** prologic googles for it **

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prologic:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Australian_TV_Listings#Shepherd

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prologic:

ok so I'll give this a go then

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prologic:

I'm guessing AU guys around here use this with "good success" ?

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[R]:

wagnerrp: schedulesdirect went up to $25... what did it used to be? $20?

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wagnerrp:

aye

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[R]:

i think i need to get an antenna

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[R]:

cox is being stupid on the QAM

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Beirdo:

OK, I think it's bedtime

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[R]:

wagnerrp: 10 is VHF?

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wagnerrp:

anything up to 13 i think

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[R]:

ffs, i thought they were supposed to switch everyhitn to UHF

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[R]:

i have 2 vhf channels

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wagnerrp:

all the digital channels initially were UHF

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wagnerrp:

but after the switch over

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wagnerrp:

many channels chose to continue using their old VHF numbers

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wagnerrp:

as VHF offers much longer range

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** [R] giggles **

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[R]:

that's what she said

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wagnerrp:

and a wider "signal", with "more power"

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[R]:

well the computer won for now

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[R]:

on a live usb image, i can suspend perfectly, but in my real syustem, it croaks

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prologic:

Q: How do you get videos on a frontend?

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prologic:

I only have TV menu item

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prologic:

hmm

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prologic:

I can't get mythtv to pick up any videos I have stored in the videos dir

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prologic:

that's it I'm reinstalling this box with crux

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KathleenLePirate:

I've just moved, which means I'm switching from basic cable to antenna and need to rescan. When I initially set it up, I had to do something less straightforward than I expected...I'm wondering if I will have to do something similar? I'm using an HDHomeRun...anyone have any thoughts on this?

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likwid--:

19700101–00:00:05 CableCARD: authentication status: authentication success, activation success

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likwid--:

its alllliiiivvvvve

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likwid--:

so they said to wait for 45 mins for channels to download to the card.

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likwid--:

i havent read anything in the forums about that

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likwid--:

is that for reals

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likwid--:

20111022–14:28:13 CableCARD: vchannel 108 (147MHz-108) access = unspecified this is just a regular encrypted channel iirc

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likwid--:

vchannel 33 (315MHz-110) access = subscribed

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likwid--:

guess thats what its supposed to look like

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likwid--:

too bad no video though

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likwid--:

hdhomerun config shows perfect signal lock.. but network rate at 0

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xavierh:

Freeview scanning: How can I know if a channel is in HD in mythtv-setup (24.1) ?

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ecksii:

Good day folks. I'm having a problem where I cannot get live TV any longer. I have a seperate backend and frontend. The frontend crashed last night and since then when I try to get to live TV I get no signal lock which eventually crashes the frontend again. No matter how often I change the channel I seem stuck on channel 304. I have and HD-PVR. I feel the root cause here is a bad entry in the tvchain table in the mysql database sinc

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ecksii:

problem persists through reboots of the backend and completely removing the ~/.mythtv directory on the frontend. I'm proposing that I stop the backend, and truncate the tvchain table in the database and then restart.

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Cogswell:

Does anyone know if a Hauppauge remote from an old PVR-150 (gray remote) should work with a HVR-1850?

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[R]:

"When resuming the machine from suspend, the NBD connection drops and the root device is lost, causing I/O errors. There is currently no fix or workaround for this."

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[R]:

well isn't that just peachy

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wagnerrp:

prologic: you must install the mythvideo plugin, define your videos dir in the Videos storage group in mythtv-setup, and do m->Scan for Videos on the frontend within media library->watch videos

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wagnerrp:

KathleenLePirate: create a new video source, map that source to the input on your tuner card, scan for channels, run mythfilldatabase

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wagnerrp:

mythfilldatabase will attempt to match the scanned channel names with those on your schedules direct account as best as it can

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prologic:

wagnerrp, none of that seemed to work with mythbuntu

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prologic:

anyway I've already blown it all away and redoing the entire box :)

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wagnerrp:

you will have to go back through the channel editor and manually fill in any missing xmltvids that mythfilldatabase was not able to match on its own

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wagnerrp:

you can find the xmltvids by mousing over them on your schedules direct account

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wagnerrp:

KathleenLePirate: you do have a digital tuner, correct? there are no longer any worthwhile analog broadcasts in the US

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wagnerrp:

xavierh: you cant, only way to tell is to watch it

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wagnerrp:

Cogswell: does the -1850 even support IR under linux in the first place?

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wagnerrp:

[R]: really? NFS and iSCSI will automatically reconnect

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Cogswell:

wagnerrp: I don't know for certain. The ir device is detected by the kernel, but I can't ever get it to detect ir events.

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[R]:

wagnerrp: yeah, thats what the post i was reading was saying

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[R]:

wagnerrp: i can get my frontend to suspend and wakeup flawlessly... but keeping my root intact is a different story... im trying to come up wit ha way to pivot, unmount it and then suspend. but its not looking good

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** wagnerrp gives up his crusade against virtualization as a fruitless endevour **

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wagnerrp:

eew... no... not going to happen

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[R]:

wagnerrp: but myth "works fine" in vmware!

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wagnerrp:

at that point, you may as well use kexec to boot into a self-contained mini-distro that just sits there in suspend, waiting on USB/ETH events

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[R]:

mmmm

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[R]:

kexec

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[R]:

that is an EXCELLENT idea

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[R]:

in reality... i really just want to throw away my current running image

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wagnerrp:

and one that will save you all of maybe 5–10 seconds on boot

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[R]:

wagnerrp: oh, it takes forever to boot

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wagnerrp:

since youre effectively rebooting at that point

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[R]:

i'll time up until the point the kernel/ramdisk are loaded

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[R]:

its like 40 seconds

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[R]:

one of the problems is im loading my kernel/ramdisk off of a flash drive, and it tseems to be insanely slow

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[R]:

it was actually faster to pxe

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wagnerrp:

at least on one of my frontends, a good 18 seconds or so is waiting for the NIC to come active so it can connect to the iscsi mount

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[R]:

ok, well now that i have an attack plan, im going to execute

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wagnerrp:

something funky with the forcedeth driver

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xavierh:

wagnerrp:thanks

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wagnerrp:

why are you loading off a flash drive? are you trying to netboot over wireless?

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wagnerrp:

or are you running one of those funky 100MB fat kernels

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[R]:

i love the ubuntu use cases

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[R]:

"Bob has just upgraded his kernel; update-notifier informs him he must reboot for the changes to take effect, and the 'Restart' button uses kexec to make this faster."

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[R]:

wagnerrp: netboot from a server that is sleeping

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[R]:

wagnerrp: but more importantly the PXE loading screen is ugly

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[R]:

with extlinux i can put up a splash much earlier than with PXE

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wagnerrp:

the pxelinux screen? or the couple lines of text where the boot rom is loading the initial application?

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[R]:

when the bootrom is loading

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wagnerrp:

bleh

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[R]:

i haven't tried giving PXELINUX a splash

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[R]:

i would assume pxelinux supports it since they all do?

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wagnerrp:

yeah

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[R]:

in theory i could move my kernel/ramdisk to my router and stick a tftp server on it

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wagnerrp:

although mine is basic white text on black background with blue highlight

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wagnerrp:

your init script is set to WOL the server?

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[R]:

yup

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wagnerrp:

s/server/nbd server/

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[R]:

and would you belive, the default mythbuntu init script actually ahd that to begin with

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[R]:

brilliant

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xavierh:

I bought a dvb-t card as my hvr 1300 wasn't working with recent kernel, just tested it with kernel 3.x.x. and its working again :(

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wagnerrp:

now you have multiple dvb-t cards

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wagnerrp:

more to record!

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xavierh:

and my new dvb-t card doesn't do hd :(

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wagnerrp:

sure it does

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xavierh:

sure ?

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[R]:

how does a tuner card "do hd"?

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wagnerrp:

the only dvb-t tuner cards that didnt do HD were antiques that literally didn't have the bus bandwidth to handle the HD content

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wagnerrp:

decade old PCI cards, and USB 1.1 devices

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xavierh:

wagnerrp: Peak PCI DVB-T TV Tuner

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xavierh:

two "usb" dvb-t on one pci

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wagnerrp:

there is nothing special about 'HD' content

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wagnerrp:

it is just a function of bandwidth

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wagnerrp:

and not a whole lot of bandwidth

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wagnerrp:

were only talking about maybe 15Mbps

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xavierh:

what about dvb-t2 ?

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wagnerrp:

what about it? a dvb-t tuner wont support it

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wagnerrp:

dvb-t != dvb-t2

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xavierh:

sorry, I reword it, I thought I needed dvb-t2 for freeview hd

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wagnerrp:

that is my understanding, yes

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wagnerrp:

but there is nothing preventing your dvb-t tuner from recording HD if someone transmits HD on dvb-t

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xavierh:

but freeview doen't do hd on dvb-t right ?

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wagnerrp:

i wouldnt know

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xavierh:

Ok thanks anyway. I know I can record hd on tnt (french freeview) as they use dvb-t not dvb-t2

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xavierh:

when I bought the new card I misread dvb-2t and dvb-t2 :)

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[R]:

wagnerrp: omg, kexec is such a great idea

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wagnerrp:

its a terrible idea, but i dont know what else to suggest if the nbd driver doesnt handle reconnection on its own

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wagnerrp:

its a lot less mess than trying to shut everything down and pivot on an active kernel

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wagnerrp:

but it will also take ~5–10 seconds extra since you have to re-init the kernel and all its drivers

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[R]:

but i dont have to do BIOS POST

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[R]:

and all that jazz

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wagnerrp:

sure

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[R]:

curious

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[R]:

it dindt reboot, but stuff did happen

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[R]:

ok well, that rules that option out... can't put my kernel on my router, let alone my ramdisk

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[R]:

i've attempted to use wake on lan by IP address before... and it seems like sometimes it works and sometimes it doesnt... vs the magic packet

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[R]:

wagnerrp: kexec is making my nvidia very unhappy

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likwid--:

hdhomerun prime.. says authenticated/activated. using hdhomeconfig on my machine i'm not getting any video out even from channels that show access = subscribed. same with the mythbox.. shows a tlam lock but no video comes

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likwid--:

anyone seen that

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[R]:

i lost a baggie :(

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likwid--:

actually even like tnt non-hd is showing cci protection at: protected-copyonce

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likwid--:

yea like everything copy once. maybe im not fully activated

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likwid--:

not getting the paid for channels either.

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likwid--:

grand slam time hopefuly.

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Oleg_:

why is Linus Torvalds against C++?

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[R]:

Oleg_: cuz its awful?

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likwid--:

i said "im supposed to ask for a grand slam hit"

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likwid--:

and now the channels previously unworking are working.

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likwid--:

woot.

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[R]:

wagnerrp: yup... that flash drive was killing me

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[R]:

wagnerrp: i switched to my compact flash, and it cut the time in half

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justinh:

xavierh: no, freeviewHD is DVB-T2. Only experimental tuner support as yet

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cxo:

So all of a sudden my remote stops working? I see the events on the console but nothing happens on the screen?

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xavierh:

justinh: thanks, will stay with sd for the time being.

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xavierh:

I configure the three dvb-t cards to the same source, Is that the way to do?

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[R]:

xavierh: are they the same source?

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xavierh:

yes

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[R]:

than yes... its the way to do it

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xavierh:

I will use eit, for now, and go back to radio time later

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xavierh:

something else I am wondering, I have bbc one bbc two, channel 4, itv1 and other channels 4 times after a scan, I am between two transponder so I would have understand twice the same channel but why 4 times?

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justinh:

maybe one or more of the muxes you can receive are in a region undergoing digital switchover

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justinh:

xavierh: you need to find out which multiplexes (transponders) are for your TV region

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xavierh:

justinh: multiplex == transponders?

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Oleg_:

linux and freebsd have the application called vdr

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Oleg_:

how good is it?

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cxo:

I just updated (with the ubuntu 0.24 ppa) and now i only see the mythtv background, no menus

[20:10:27]

Oleg_:

I suppose it's not as good as mythtv or it's just as good as mythtv?

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xavierh:

justinh: how to restrict the scan to only one transmitter?

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alec:

Hi How can I edit the menu of mythtv? Im using the wide theme and I cant find a mainmenu.xml file

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[R]:

the menu is in a seperate theme

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[R]:

by default it uses 'default'

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[R]:

its selectable in the menu

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alec:

i see

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alec:

theres quite a few menu's availble but i cant see how they link to files i can edit. there are two default, default and Default, whats the folder mapping

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[R]:

i think its the same one, 'default'

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alec:

urg forget it, ive wasted an hour on this, the default menu will have to do!

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alec:

thanks anyway

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[R]:

lol

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justinh:

xavierh: do a *tuned* scan from the BBC multiplex in your area. If you're in a region undergoing switchover it might be a better idea to forget about it for now – but you could look for the BBC mux which is broadcast in 8k at 64QAM. ukfree.tv might make it clearer

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justinh:

xavierh: a tuned scan should only allow the scan to find the other multiplexes in your region

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Beirdo:

YAWN

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Beirdo:

2pm and I'm finally ready for the day

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Beirdo:

OK, Olive Garden ads should be outlawed

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Beirdo:

I already ate, and it still makes me want to eat

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** [R] hearts the olive garden **

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justinh:

hearts? I thought only 'my little pony' hearted stuff

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Beirdo:

hehehe

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justinh:

oh wait. that was WUV, not heart. Sorry

[21:04:03]

wagnerrp:

anyone else find it downright disturbing the cult following my little pony garners?

[21:04:12]

justinh:

I always did

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Beirdo:

as long as it's young girls, I have no problem with it

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justinh:

not half as disturbing as those adults who buy 'lifelike' dolls of children

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wagnerrp:

no, like adult men

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[R]:

justinh: wtf...

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: now that is disturbing

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[R]:

justinh: you made that up

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justinh:

[R]: no I didn't

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: they remix it to gangsta rap and such

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wagnerrp:

such as... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWSgKemApbk

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Beirdo:

dude, that's f**#$$#@d up

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justinh:

[R]: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzEqYhUZAoc

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[R]:

justinh: crazy brits

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justinh:

wagnerrp: ROFLMAO

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wagnerrp:

justinh: i think thats absolutely fantastic

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laga:

trust me, the my little pony porn is much worse.

[21:08:28]

wagnerrp:

theyre supplanting their parental instinct with fake dolls

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Beirdo:

My Little Pony Gets Some?

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wagnerrp:

meaning they _dont_breed_

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[R]:

wtf, she cooked the baby!?

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justinh:

ha. I never looked at it that way

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justinh:

there's a proper scary one featuring american couples who actually treat the dolls as real – taking them out etc

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wagnerrp:

laga: the... porn?

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Beirdo:

well, I know they use fake babies to teach teens what responsibility is like when having a real one

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Oleg_:

wagnerrp, ever used the application called vdr? how good is it in comparison to mythtv?

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Beirdo:

"Is your competitor better?"

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wagnerrp:

VDR is designed to use 'full featured' cards

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Beirdo:

you really think you will get a good answer to that question?

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wagnerrp:

which means crummy UI, and standard definition content, using old european digital tv

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justinh:

Beirdo: that would be what I call a legitimate use I guess

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wagnerrp:

i wouldnt doubt if no one in the states had ever tried it

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Beirdo:

justinh: yeah, I think that use is probably a good thing :)

[21:11:52]

justinh:

but.. but.. VDR can utilise a SEVEN SEGMENT DISPLAY ! !!!111

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: didnt you fix this a long long while back?

[21:12:15]

wagnerrp:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1856009

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Beirdo:

I believe so

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[R]:

oh... speaking of seven segment display i really need to wire up my LCD

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[R]:

its been sitting there collecting dust

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justinh:

oh yeah another thing about VDR. It's all in one box or else. No client-server stuff

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wagnerrp:

can we castrate people who use 'z' in place of 's'?

[21:16:37]

wagnerrp:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1353795

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Beirdo:

yup. cut off their ballz

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justinh:

and people who use apostrophes inappropriately too?

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Beirdo:

yep

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Beirdo:

and ones that use your instead of you're... and there instead of their

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Beirdo:

illiterate teenagers

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justinh:

ruh? How come I can view ubuntu forums without being registered now? Oh man. That's going to make me even more angry now that I can read those

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wagnerrp:

cartain threads require an account, others dont

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wagnerrp:

any downloads require you be logged in

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wagnerrp:

*certain

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[R]:

i never understood forums requiring registration to download

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justinh:

I've looked stuff up on behalf of people here before & found results google gave me that I couldn't actually read

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wagnerrp:

"I am running Mythbuntu 11.04 on an Asus AT3IONT board 1.6 GHz, 4 cores"

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wagnerrp:

hehe... foolish user...

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wagnerrp:

another amusing one... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1797941

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wagnerrp:

july 2011, user thinks dual processor system with a pair of 2.4GHz Northwoods and 1GB of memory is overkill

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Beirdo:

sure is... if you are running vi

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wagnerrp:

i dare say one of those AMD APUs is more powerful than that

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justinh:

lol. when the system boots.

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justinh:

tip: it's NOT booting, doofus

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justinh:

my guess is that the RAID5 boot is broken :P

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xavierh:

justinh: ok I wiil try a tuned scan instead, cheers

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wagnerrp:

yeesh... ive heard of people wanting to use mplayer, or even vlc instead of the internal player

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wagnerrp:

but this guy is using totem, and complaining that he cant get totem to terminate after the file is complete

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wagnerrp:

uh oh... pavucontrol

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laga:

RUN

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larrikin:

I'm disappointed that my vietnam-based fox streamer does not have adequate bandwidth to allow me to watch the ads for trojanvibrations.com without stuttering..

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** kormoc blinks at larrikin **

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wagnerrp:

watch out! its a trap!

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Beirdo:

hehehe

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larrikin:

it further disappoints me that none of you seem to sympathise..

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wagnerrp:

we didnt build it, not our problem

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justinh:

somebody actually *uses* totem? God, I've not got a single file that can play

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larrikin:

that's a good point

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laga:

i didn't even understand that sentence

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wagnerrp:

i dont understand why so many people are so adamant about a background scanner for mythvideo

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laga:

ah. "yellow fox streamer" is a fishing accessoire

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justinh:

why else? so their torrents appear all by themselves

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Beirdo:

they can just cron a job to rescan

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laga:

it would be very handy to have a keybinding for copyright infringement

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Beirdo:

ctrl-alt-del?

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likwid--:

comcat lvl2 support said he wouldnt do a grandslam hit because it is worthless and that its silicon dust's fault.

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likwid--:

:(

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wagnerrp:

how would it be SD's fault?

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wagnerrp:

realtime encoding of HD content in x264 on a core2duo? thats a laugh

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likwid--:

i dunno. i dont think he likes dealing with the primes

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likwid--:

maybe ill get a different tech soon. ill just keep calling until they send hits

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likwid--:

all my premium are still encrypted and unwatchable.

[21:57:35]

likwid--:

running latest firmware. activated

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likwid--:

can get a few chans ive tried but not others.

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wagnerrp:

the webpage served by the prime should give you a list of all the channels and what ones you are allowed to access

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likwid--:

Channel List cablecard-oob

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likwid--:

?

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iamlindoro:

likwid--: You should not be getting your HDHR Prime support here-- you should be getting it in #hdhomerun

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wagnerrp:

i dont know what it looks like, i dont have one

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likwid--:

oh werd

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likwid--:

will do

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iamlindoro:

That said, your issue is probably a provisioning issue, which is the same thing I would tell you in #hdhomerun

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likwid--:

heh. right.

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wagnerrp:

new mythtv box with a 3.2GHz P4 and nvidia 9800GT.... what??

[22:01:38]

iamlindoro:

There are two parts of activation-- the accounting side, where the correct lineup is associated with your card, and the activation/authentication side, where the DAC on the card is loaded with your activation data

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likwid--:

ill just keep calling

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wagnerrp:

quite a disparity between hardware...

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iamlindoro:

If your card shows OOB, Activation, and authentication as "success" then you ahve an accounting issue

[22:02:29]

iamlindoro:

if Activation shows "none" then you have an activation issue, and need the proper hit, which will likely be a DAC Init/Grand Slame

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iamlindoro:

Slam

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likwid--:

yea it does. i had an accounting issue just getitng my regular stb working

[22:02:47]

iamlindoro:

Then you need both

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likwid--:

(all 3 show sucess)

[22:03:01]

iamlindoro:

They need to get the card authorized for your lineup, then send another DAC Init

[22:03:02]

larrikin:

similar thread in mythtv-users .. http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/486214

[22:03:02]

wagnerrp:

are there any problems a grand slam can cause, that they would be reluctant to do so?

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iamlindoro:

No

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wagnerrp:

then why refuse?

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iamlindoro:

CableLabs requires that any CableCard certified device be able to handle a firmware upgrade

[22:03:33]

iamlindoro:

they are afraid that a firmware upgrade will cause problems

[22:03:39]

iamlindoro:

because they're idiots

[22:04:02]

iamlindoro:

And even the "experts" on cablecard at comcast support still think it's black magic

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likwid--:

thanks for help. ill save the rest for hdhomerun chan. going to call regular support this time.

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wagnerrp:

so a 'grand slam' is just a 'completely wipe everything and start fresh'?

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iamlindoro:

don't call regular support

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iamlindoro:

877-405-whatever

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iamlindoro:

call that one

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iamlindoro:

regular support will just ruin things even more

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likwid--:

i thought it was an accounting error though

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likwid--:

er billing

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iamlindoro:

Only the cablecard support is equipped to handle the cablecard provisioning issue

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likwid--:

ive got success on all 3 things you listed.

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likwid--:

o

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iamlindoro:

Regular support will just act like idiots and press some buttons like a trained monkey

[22:05:39]

iamlindoro:

Cablecard support will act like idiots and press cablecard specific buttons like a well trained monkey

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likwid--:

thats promising atleast

[22:06:09]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Grand Slam is comcast specific terminology for "Force a firmware upgrade, reload the DAC, and send an EMM (Entitlement Message)"

[22:06:13]

likwid--:

and i love that phone line, a person answers without an on-hold

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iamlindoro:

yes, they however hate it ;)

[22:06:37]

iamlindoro:

really, though to get someone with even a reasonable amount of training you should be calling 9–5 M-F

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iamlindoro:

3 PM on a Saturday is third string

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likwid--:

ah

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iamlindoro:

Only way you could do worse is to call outside of business hours

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iamlindoro:

on a Saturday

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iamlindoro:

And never, ever, ever let them tell you to "wait 45 minutes for all your channels"

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iamlindoro:

because that means

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iamlindoro:

"I give up, please get off the phone"

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iamlindoro:

A hit will work immediately, or not at all

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wagnerrp:

i guess the mythbuntu guys regularly police their forums?

[22:08:27]

wagnerrp:

i just ran through a year of posts, and nothing 'questionable'

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jpabq:

Beirdo, do you have the HD-PVR killer software that you use, available somewhere?

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laga:

wagnerrp: yes.

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Beirdo:

yes, sorry, I thought I'd told ya before :)

[22:08:55]

Beirdo:

hehe

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laga:

wagnerrp: well, as far as i know

[22:09:15]

Beirdo:

http://github.com/Beirdo/hdpvr-killer

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Beirdo:

it has the schematics too (without the manual fix)

[22:10:41]

Beirdo:

I take it the package arrived :)

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jpabq:

Beirdo, yes, thank you.

[22:11:10]

Beirdo:

no problemo :)

[22:11:38]

Beirdo:

fedex ground is actually quite cheap to ship them, surprisingly

[22:12:13]

Beirdo:

and easier than getting to the post office (there's a formerly Kinko's 2 blocks from work)

[22:13:26]

jpabq:

I should have given you more money. I probably gave you enough for the shipping, but not for the labor!

[22:14:05]

Beirdo:

no biggie, soldering is fun for me :)

[22:14:36]

Beirdo:

I used to do it for a summer job, and it's a nice skill to keep around

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larrikin:

make sure you breathe in _all_ the fumes ..

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Beirdo:

the fumes aren't that toxic :)

[22:15:11]

Beirdo:

it's just burning flux

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larrikin:

no clean yes, rma no..

[22:15:39]

Beirdo:

huh?

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wagnerrp:

dont mind him... its the rosin fumes

[22:16:01]

Beirdo:

yeah, exactly

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larrikin:

rma flux is thought to possibly be carcinogenic.. maybe

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Beirdo:

and the epoxy to tack down the wires has no fumes

[22:16:59]

Beirdo:

bah to carcinogenic. everything causes cancer

[22:17:19]

wagnerrp:

cell phones will kill you long before the RMA fumes

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larrikin:

ever since my left lung collapsed, I've cut my smoking in HALF ..

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Beirdo:

I'd rather just live my life than worry about cancer. Worrying is carcinogenic.

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Oleg_:

schedulesdirect is only for US/Canada? European people have a good alternative to schedules direct?

[22:20:03]

Beirdo:

Yes, and I dunno, respectively

[22:20:10]

Beirdo:

I think it depends on which country

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wagnerrp:

Oleg_: brits get radiotimes

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wagnerrp:

there is some pay service in europe, but i dont know much about it

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Beirdo:

laga might know about Germany :)

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wagnerrp:

apparently japanese ads for Indian^H^H^H^H^H^HUncharted feature Harrison Ford playing the game

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iamlindoro:

haha

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jpabq:

Beirdo, the both work. Bummer, is more cables to deal with

[22:27:05]

iamlindoro:

I actually caught a pretty cool PS3 Ad the other day

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iamlindoro:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdWkKKSckNk

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iamlindoro:

Thought it was clever

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wagnerrp:

awww.. patchboy

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wagnerrp:

s/patchboy/sackboy/

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wagnerrp:

who's the pink haired girl, one of the final fantasies?

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iamlindoro:

yeah, XII

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iamlindoro:

er... XIII?

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wagnerrp:

i played 12, dont recall he

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wagnerrp:

but 12 was a PS2 game

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iamlindoro:

yeah, so XIII

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iamlindoro:

the latest

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wagnerrp:

ironic the chimera cheers on michael at the end

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wagnerrp:

:)

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likwid--:

anyone login to schedules direct lately and not have any lineups?

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likwid--:

when i had 2 just recently

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[R]:

i ddi like today or yesterday

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[R]:

worked fine

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likwid--:

hrmph. looks like the lineups i were using are gone now

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likwid--:

they merged them

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[R]:

wagnerrp: so im thinking about my nbd not surviving suspend problem... i ws thinking to just nfs mount a directory and then loop mount my ro root image from that

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Beirdo:

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/373493158 . . . e-of-its-own

[23:32:46]

Beirdo:

heh. it passed funding... by $1

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Beirdo:

still got 19h to pile on :)

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Oleg_:

atsc vs. dvb-t, which standard is better? and back in analog days, what standard was better, ntsc or pal?

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larrikin:

wars have been fought over these questions..

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Beirdo:

both are better.

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