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| [00:25:00] | notlistening: | Night all |
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| [00:42:01] | ParadoxGuitarist: | I need some help troubleshooting an hdhomerun with mythtv. I'm trying to scan channels, and at first when you scan it wasn't finding any channels. I installed the hdhomerun-config as suggested by the wiki and now I'm finding a lot of encrypted channels but when I try to view them either via xbmc or the mythtv frontend the computer ends up freezing. I'm performing the scan as cable and QAM 256 and I wonder if maybe it's a |
| [00:44:51] | wagnerrp: | ParadoxGuitarist: with time warner, everything but the local broadcast channels will be encrypted |
| [00:47:41] | ParadoxGuitarist: | yeah, which is fine, I'm just trying to get those local channels since I live by a 1000 ft hill that kills my tv reception. |
| [00:48:06] | wagnerrp: | cable and qam256 should work |
| [00:48:19] | wagnerrp: | can i see some frontend and backend logs? |
| [00:49:02] | ParadoxGuitarist: | Sure, do you know where they'd be stored? |
| [00:51:02] | ParadoxGuitarist: | nm I found one for xbmc: ERROR: ADDon: Could not locate XBMC_MythTC.pvr |
| [00:51:47] | ParadoxGuitarist: | and ERROR: PVR – InitialiseClient – can't initialise add-on "MythTV PVR Client" |
| [00:56:16] | ParadoxGuitarist: | Is there maybe a way to create a file with the listed channels from the .stream files? |
| [00:57:08] | wagnerrp: | stream files? |
| [00:58:25] | ParadoxGuitarist: | generated files for the hdhomerun tuners |
| [01:00:03] | ParadoxGuitarist: | they contain this: hdhomerun://10102525/tuner1?channel=qam256:60 . . . ;program=542 |
| [01:00:20] | wagnerrp: | mythtv does not use those |
| [01:00:36] | wagnerrp: | you have to use the internal scanner to insert channels for the hdhomerun |
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| [01:37:41] | iamlindoro: | Well, I've got myself a nice little Cocoa library for Mac OS Services going, here |
| [01:38:23] | iamlindoro: | for MythTV Services, that is |
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| [01:54:32] | wagnerrp: | hahahaha |
| [01:55:02] | wagnerrp: | officials at Creech Air Force Base know about a breach in security involving drones for two weeks |
| [01:55:16] | wagnerrp: | no one bothers to tell the network admins, until two weeks later when they read about it in Wired |
| [01:56:15] | iamlindoro: | whoops |
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| [02:11:25] | ** wagnerrp is learning new vocabulary on NCIS ** | |
| [02:11:55] | wagnerrp: | turkey vulture – 20yrs past a couger, still likes to hunt, but too old to take down the prey |
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| [03:02:30] | totalanni: | wagnerrp: do you have a moment for a couple of questions? |
| [03:02:48] | wagnerrp: | perhaps, not sure if i can answer them until you ask them |
| [03:02:57] | totalanni: | :) |
| [03:03:08] | totalanni: | i installed my hvr-2250, and its not showing up in the backend setup |
| [03:03:14] | totalanni: | i read through a few sites |
| [03:03:19] | wagnerrp: | that would be... mythtv-setup? |
| [03:03:24] | totalanni: | do i have to place a firmware in some dir? |
| [03:03:26] | totalanni: | yes |
| [03:03:34] | totalanni: | under capture card |
| [03:03:48] | wagnerrp: | do you have a /dev/dvb/adapter[01] and /dev/video[01] ? |
| [03:03:53] | totalanni: | i was using mythbuntu if that helps |
| [03:03:55] | totalanni: | sec |
| [03:04:38] | totalanni: | thanks for your time and card suggestion btw |
| [03:06:23] | totalanni: | wagnerrp: no |
| [03:06:45] | wagnerrp: | mythtv wont do anything until it can see those device nodes |
| [03:06:57] | wagnerrp: | lack of drivers or lack of firmware could be the case |
| [03:07:05] | wagnerrp: | look through your 'dmesg' logs |
| [03:07:14] | wagnerrp: | see if theres any indication of firmware issues |
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| [03:07:24] | wagnerrp: | driver should be listed as 'saa7164' |
| [03:07:32] | totalanni: | hm |
| [03:07:36] | totalanni: | sec |
| [03:07:42] | totalanni: | lemme google how to search that >.< |
| [03:07:55] | wagnerrp: | run 'dmesg | less' |
| [03:08:00] | wagnerrp: | then '/' |
| [03:08:05] | wagnerrp: | then 'saa7164' |
| [03:09:07] | totalanni: | said drive is loaded |
| [03:09:09] | totalanni: | and the card is found |
| [03:10:27] | wagnerrp: | any mention of firmware? |
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| [03:11:00] | totalanni: | wagnerrp: no |
| [03:11:11] | wagnerrp: | well i cant help you any further with that |
| [03:11:16] | totalanni: | kk |
| [03:11:17] | wagnerrp: | i dont have that card, or use ubuntu |
| [03:11:26] | totalanni: | seems like u narrowed my problem |
| [03:11:32] | totalanni: | least i know it sees the card :) |
| [03:11:34] | wagnerrp: | although a modern blend of ubuntu should have all that stuff installed stock |
| [03:11:41] | wagnerrp: | what are you running? |
| [03:11:42] | totalanni: | would u suggest any particular os? |
| [03:11:49] | totalanni: | mythbuntu |
| [03:11:54] | wagnerrp: | version |
| [03:12:01] | totalanni: | 11.04 i think |
| [03:15:57] | totalanni: | ty |
| [03:16:02] | totalanni: | a few posts mention the firmware |
| [03:16:06] | totalanni: | lemme give it a shot |
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| [03:20:19] | totalanni: | woot |
| [03:20:20] | totalanni: | it works! |
| [03:20:40] | totalanni: | do i need to setup 1 for each tuner on the card? |
| [03:20:51] | wagnerrp: | four in total |
| [03:20:56] | wagnerrp: | two digital, two analog |
| [03:21:04] | totalanni: | ic |
| [03:21:12] | totalanni: | ty |
| [03:21:18] | wagnerrp: | and make sure to put the matching analog and digital tuners in an input group |
| [03:21:26] | wagnerrp: | recall that you actually only have two tuners on it |
| [03:21:38] | wagnerrp: | each tuner can be analog or digital, but not both at the same time |
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| [03:22:53] | totalanni: | ok |
| [03:22:58] | totalanni: | there are 2 video devices |
| [03:23:06] | totalanni: | and 2 VBI devices |
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| [03:23:15] | totalanni: | under analog |
| [03:25:29] | totalanni: | i think i just need to go find some generic mythtv setup guides |
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| [03:44:04] | totalanni: | well |
| [03:44:12] | totalanni: | i got it to find QAM 256 channels |
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| [04:00:40] | Oleg_: | any of you run mythbuntu distro? |
| [04:03:37] | [R]: | do you have an actual question related to mythtv? |
| [04:06:17] | Oleg_: | not today. it's possible I'll have real questions tomorrow after I put the tv card in my comp |
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| [04:54:02] | iamlindoro: | More fun with services... http://www.fecitfacta.com/ios.png |
| [04:59:34] | wagnerrp: | More fun with commandlineparsing... http://pastebin.com/XPMK53p9 |
| [04:59:42] | wagnerrp: | arguably much less fun than with services |
| [05:01:01] | iamlindoro: | Oh, I'm not sure it's arguable ;) |
| [05:01:09] | Captain_Murdoch: | nice, to both. |
| [05:01:27] | Captain_Murdoch: | wagnerrp, I had been debating what to do about the args I was about to rip out of various places. |
| [05:01:37] | wagnerrp: | Captain_Murdoch: ill be committing this shortly |
| [05:02:02] | wagnerrp: | basically, it leaves it functional, but hidden from --help, and it spams out that warning whenever anyone uses it |
| [05:02:33] | wagnerrp: | use it, or not... up to you |
| [05:02:48] | wagnerrp: | im sure sphery would be plenty happy to see them ripped out |
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| [05:53:25] | dekarl: | wagnerrp: maybe it's just part of their employee monitoring system and they forgot to tell their employees... http://techzwn.com/2011/10/predator-drone-vir . . . tem-analyst/ |
| [05:57:49] | ** dekarl slaps a sticker on the remote kill drone control station "do not surf wiki leak on this pc" ;) ** | |
| [05:59:26] | wagnerrp: | i still dont understand why those things are all flown from halfway around the world |
| [06:00:17] | wagnerrp: | i mean even if they get priority routing on their own satellites, youre going to have awful latency |
| [06:00:32] | wagnerrp: | besides it being an egregious waste of bandwidth |
| [06:01:56] | wagnerrp: | and if its over concern of loss of control if those stations are compromised, surely they could come up with better encryption and some autodestruct mechanisms to prevent that |
| [06:02:15] | k-man: | wagnerrp, I don't think the military care about wasting bandwidth, they will just buy more if they need it |
| [06:02:18] | dekarl: | I don't think it's live control with a joystick like in the movies (with the kids controlling miniature jets) and more like playing a RTS game where you just alter the mission configuration. |
| [06:03:01] | wagnerrp: | not normally, no... but they have the ability to take direct control should the need arise |
| [06:03:02] | dekarl: | wagnerrp: I thought it was to have 9–5 jobs while at war |
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| [06:06:19] | wagnerrp: | sphery: seems the first bulldozer FXs got released today |
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| [06:27:36] | lapion: | I am really beginning to become fond of microsoft, they have really made it easy for us linux afficionados with windows 8 we will be having a hell of a lot of people switching to linux |
| [06:31:11] | lapion: | oth windows 8 will bring all kinds of n00bs and other rather irritating ppl screaming to us and driving us crazy.. in the end we might flip and the only os we'd be able to use is the retarded w8 .,,,,...,,.,,..,.,,. |
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| [06:35:11] | iamlindoro: | If it means keeping those who abuse punctuation out, I'm all for it |
| [06:41:11] | iamlindoro: | Videos browsing too... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwLaeG0KrQo |
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| [07:57:26] | kodax: | hi all, i'm running into this small issue |
| [07:59:06] | kodax: | i have two video sources, dvb and iptv; when the channels list of the first video source is empty |
| [07:59:24] | kodax: | it doesn't let me pick any channel of the second one |
| [07:59:55] | kodax: | i mean the 'watch tv' button just returns immediately |
| [08:00:08] | kodax: | any idea how i can solve this from the database? |
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| [08:29:59] | DjMadness: | I seam to be having troubles getting mythtv up and going, the backend spits out connection errors: http://pastebin.com/x37CVq3a and the frontend does the same: http://pastebin.com/3MSSL8de I have cleared the entire mythconverg database and reinitilized it. completely emptied the .mythtv folder and started from scratch etc, anyone have any suggestions ? (been working on this for a few days now) |
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| [09:12:02] | Ankhwatcher: | hey |
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| [09:33:55] | Ankhwatcher: | kodax will you be running Myth on any eternal frontends? |
| [09:34:36] | Ankhwatcher: | whoops that question was for DjMadness |
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| [09:42:19] | Ankhwatcher: | DjMadness is ypur mysql configured to allow external connections? |
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| [10:34:38] | DjMadness: | Ankhwatcher: localhost |
| [10:34:41] | DjMadness: | only local |
| [10:34:55] | DjMadness: | i am only using it for mythvideo basicly |
| [10:35:10] | DjMadness: | at this time at least, but well i am not getting that fare |
| [10:37:08] | DjMadness: | using lsof -i -n -P only the udp port is listening, no tcp |
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| [11:52:31] | DjMadness: | Trying 0.23 ebuild instead of got version now |
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| [14:04:56] | ernstp: | I'm trying to set up a remote mythtv frontend |
| [14:05:01] | ernstp: | the database connection is fine |
| [14:05:19] | ernstp: | but it's still trying to connec to the backend server at 127.0.0.1 |
| [14:05:32] | wagnerrp: | in mythtv-setup, what address did you specify for your backend? |
| [14:05:48] | ernstp: | i don't have mythtv-setup on that computer |
| [14:05:55] | ernstp: | isn't that to configure the backend? |
| [14:05:59] | wagnerrp: | no, but you do have it on your master backend |
| [14:06:10] | wagnerrp: | your master backend must be configured to listen on the network |
| [14:06:21] | wagnerrp: | however it is currently configured to listen only on the loopback address |
| [14:06:22] | ernstp: | oh I see! it get that config through the database |
| [14:06:57] | ernstp: | so I should just change the config in the database from 127.0.0.1 to 192.168... |
| [14:07:05] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [14:09:30] | iamlindoro: | by using mythtv-setup on the backend, to be clear... not by editing the DB |
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| [14:13:29] | ernstp: | iamlindoro: wagnerrp: fixed, thanks! |
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| [14:57:13] | jams: | well guess my day is done, just started a job to restripe 10TB of data and I'm going to count watching the progress bar as working |
| [14:59:40] | iamlindoro: | Oooh, I want your day |
| [15:00:34] | iamlindoro: | Just as I was sitting here thinking of becoming ill ;) |
| [15:01:19] | jams: | hehe |
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| [15:02:12] | jams: | There is one guy at work who calls in sick often. You can always tell the degree to which he is NOT sick by how many details are given |
| [15:02:30] | wagnerrp: | fewer details means sicker and he just wants to get off the phone? |
| [15:02:36] | jams: | yep |
| [15:02:56] | jams: | it's often by email, but same thing applies |
| [15:03:29] | iamlindoro: | "So I woke today to a slight tickle in my throat... then, I walked to the bathroom. Then, I looked at myself in the mirror." |
| [15:04:01] | wagnerrp: | "Then I vomited all over the mirror. I decided not to come in today." |
| [15:04:38] | jams: | not to far off |
| [15:05:58] | wagnerrp: | why cant anyone make decent, reliable system fans? |
| [15:06:26] | wagnerrp: | im finding something like half my systems have dead fans in them |
| [15:06:52] | wagnerrp: | oh, and rechargeable CMOS batteries |
| [15:10:08] | wagnerrp: | like this 120x38mm FDB panaflo? |
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| [15:10:40] | wagnerrp: | cost like $20 over six years ago, and its been running non-stop, just as powerful and silent as when it was bought |
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| [15:10:53] | wagnerrp: | but most of my PSUs have at least one dead fan |
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| [15:11:07] | wagnerrp: | every graphics card ive ever bought has had its fan die |
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| [15:17:22] | jams: | local computer store owner also complains about graphics card fans. He will try to push ppl towards buying the fanless variety, coupled with a larger case fan. |
| [15:21:04] | iamlindoro: | I didn't think there were any local computer stores left |
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| [15:37:03] | Ankhwatcher: | I didn't think they still made fanless graphics cards. |
| [15:37:11] | wagnerrp: | eh? |
| [15:37:30] | sid3windr: | why not? |
| [15:37:36] | wagnerrp: | everything up to midrange has at least some fanless variant |
| [15:37:48] | wagnerrp: | and ive actually got a fanless 9800GT |
| [15:38:01] | Ankhwatcher: | really? |
| [15:38:02] | Ankhwatcher: | wow |
| [15:38:15] | wagnerrp: | aftermarket |
| [15:38:19] | Ankhwatcher: | i have 9800gtx's and their fans are huge |
| [15:38:27] | wagnerrp: | it formerly had a fan, until it died |
| [15:38:37] | Ankhwatcher: | I had to buy a bigger case for the damn things. |
| [15:38:45] | wagnerrp: | so rather than replace the fan, or the card, i picked up a massive fanless heatsink |
| [15:39:00] | wagnerrp: | runs a bit hot, but hasnt been a problem |
| [15:44:47] | Ankhwatcher: | my graphics cards run hot compared to the rest of my components anyway |
| [15:45:06] | Ankhwatcher: | last time I measured them they were abotu 10–20 C hotter |
| [15:46:09] | Ankhwatcher: | Do you have any suggestions for a low-cost/low-power/low-space mythtv-frontend host? |
| [15:46:27] | wagnerrp: | dedicated frontend? |
| [15:46:33] | Ankhwatcher: | yeah |
| [15:46:39] | ParadoxGuitarist: | nettop computer and XBMC |
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| [15:47:07] | wagnerrp: | because xbmc would somehow have less processing needs for decoding HD video than mythtv? |
| [15:47:31] | Ankhwatcher: | my current frontend has 2x 9800GTX's and has to be forced to boot a mythbuntu usb stick to run the frontend. |
| [15:47:31] | wagnerrp: | Ankhwatcher: big old beige box, dual core AMD (athlon II), nvidia card |
| [15:47:44] | Ankhwatcher: | nah, too big. |
| [15:47:48] | wagnerrp: | in another room, with wires fed through a hole in the wall |
| [15:47:52] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [15:49:02] | Ankhwatcher: | It's a bummer the raspberry pi wont do the job. |
| [15:51:21] | wagnerrp: | if you need the box in the same room, look at a low end sandy bridge i3 |
| [15:52:32] | Ankhwatcher: | does it really take a whole pc to view hd in myth? |
| [15:52:34] | wagnerrp: | you can pick up a mini-itx system, with hdmi out, a couple GB of memory, and plenty of power for playback of anything you want |
| [15:52:45] | wagnerrp: | a whole PC... as opposed to? |
| [15:53:04] | Ankhwatcher: | a set-top box |
| [15:53:44] | wagnerrp: | are you referring to a set-top box as the form factor? or as an underpowered PC with hardware decoding? |
| [15:55:17] | Ankhwatcher: | yes |
| [15:55:59] | wagnerrp: | if you want small, mini-itx i3, http://www.mini-box.com/M350-universal-mini-itx-enclosure and http://www.mini-box.com/picoPSU-120-102W-power-kit |
| [15:56:25] | wagnerrp: | case, PSU, board, CPU, memory |
| [15:56:34] | wagnerrp: | use network boot and you can probably get by for under $300 |
| [15:57:03] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt look that pretty |
| [15:57:09] | wagnerrp: | but it will be quiet enough compared to your tv |
| [15:57:21] | wagnerrp: | and is small and light enough to be attached out of sight, behind your tv |
| [15:57:34] | wagnerrp: | you can even get VESA mounting brackets for it |
| [15:57:55] | Ankhwatcher: | sounds like a winner. |
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| [15:58:27] | wagnerrp: | note that intel graphics drivers do not have a lot of the options nvidia ones do for dealing with finicky tvs |
| [15:59:02] | wagnerrp: | for instance, you may have trouble getting it to operate at an odd resolution |
| [15:59:17] | wagnerrp: | or your TV must be on for display detection to work when starting your X server |
| [15:59:54] | wagnerrp: | if you've got to do anything special with your current box to make it work on your tv |
| [16:00:00] | wagnerrp: | you may not be able to do that with intel graphics |
| [16:00:17] | Ankhwatcher: | nope, but I was hoping to use hdmi for it. |
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| [16:07:57] | wagnerrp: | http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/jalopni . . . ble_cows.jpg |
| [16:08:19] | wagnerrp: | crazy hawaiians, what will they think of next... |
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| [16:13:52] | sphery: | one someone decides that Atom is a good thing, there's no changing their minds |
| [16:14:42] | sid3windr: | A Tom IS a good thing, I am one ;> |
| [16:14:49] | sphery: | it seems you can't do small, out-of-sight, quiet boxes without Atom |
| [16:15:06] | sphery: | hehe, a Tom is much better than Atom |
| [16:15:42] | sid3windr: | I'm quite happy with my atom in the bedroom |
| [16:15:45] | sid3windr: | it's silent. |
| [16:15:55] | sid3windr: | but I haven't gotten around to doing HD yet ;) |
| [16:16:03] | wagnerrp: | ive got like... septillions of atoms in my bedroom |
| [16:16:06] | sphery: | yeah, silent with no headroom or processing capability |
| [16:16:16] | sid3windr: | :-) |
| [16:16:25] | sid3windr: | silent is a VERY important WAF point |
| [16:16:35] | sphery: | versus silent with plenty of headroom and processing, which you get with a properly designed Core 2 Duo/Core i3/i5 system |
| [16:16:36] | sid3windr: | the one in the living room is c2d ;) |
| [16:16:40] | sid3windr: | yes |
| [16:16:41] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [16:16:48] | wagnerrp: | "silent", since any of the pre-made ones are going to come with an annoying, high RPM, 30mm blower fan |
| [16:16:50] | sid3windr: | but it can never be as silent as the one I have now! |
| [16:16:58] | sid3windr: | as I have no moving parts |
| [16:17:02] | sid3windr: | and yes, that means no active cooling at all ;) |
| [16:17:07] | sphery: | wagnerrp: you mean pre-made atom systems? |
| [16:17:17] | wagnerrp: | you have to build your own to actually get a silent one |
| [16:17:34] | wagnerrp: | sphery: yeah, because the pre-made ones all want to be like 3/4" thick |
| [16:17:39] | sphery: | ahhh |
| [16:17:41] | wagnerrp: | and that size necessitates active cooling |
| [16:18:11] | wagnerrp: | where as something 2" thick like an M350, with venting all over the place |
| [16:18:23] | wagnerrp: | can actually pull off passive cooling on a 30W Atom system |
| [16:18:24] | sphery: | So, I wonder how many people would buy a "fuel-efficient" car that has a max speed of 20mph |
| [16:18:30] | sphery: | I'm guessing all these Atom users would |
| [16:18:41] | sphery: | s/users/lovers/ |
| [16:18:52] | wagnerrp: | louvers |
| [16:19:27] | wagnerrp: | they shutter themselves against the knowledge of limitations |
| [16:19:45] | sphery: | IMHO, Atom has no business being on the Information Superhighway. Atom should take the surface streets. |
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| [17:49:34] | MrPaco: | hi there |
| [17:50:28] | MrPaco: | my recent error You should have received a channel lock by now. You can continue to wait for a signal, or you can change the channel with Up or Down, change video source (y), inputs... |
| [17:50:46] | MrPaco: | i think is for one update or something, but i dont have installed nothing. |
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| [17:53:36] | MrPaco: | if i reboot the computer i recovered the two tuners on my card |
| [17:54:00] | MrPaco: | but i cant make it work with restart backend, i need to restart the complete computer |
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| [18:19:00] | sphery: | MrPaco: that sounds like a problem with the capture card drivers and/or configuration (but most likely drivers since it's messing up the card until a reboot) |
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| [18:20:06] | sphery: | MrPaco: you will likely need to provide information about what specific card/drivers you're using for the capture card... And you're most likely to find someone else with similar configuration/knowledge of the issues with that card on the mythtv-users mailing list (because there are a /lot/ more people there than the 174 in here) |
| [18:20:30] | MrPaco: | OK, but this occur the last week only |
| [18:21:00] | MrPaco: | thank you sphery ill try it tomorrow, now i have to make the diner for my childrens :P |
| [18:21:19] | sphery: | well, if that's the case--and if you (and your distro/system) hasn't changed /any/ software--then it could be hardware failure |
| [18:21:48] | sphery: | also make sure if the cards are different, you have proper udev rules or whatever that pin them to specific video devices |
| [18:22:31] | sphery: | where "different" means that mythtv needs to treat them differently |
| [18:23:21] | MrPaco: | this problem is the same on 3 computers with 2 same card and another different |
| [18:23:56] | MrPaco: | one mine, and the other 2 from 2 friends, and with similar problem, the last week "You should have received a channel lock by now?." |
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| [18:32:25] | wagnerrp: | sphery: the initial benchmarks from bulldozer are a bit lackluster |
| [18:32:45] | wagnerrp: | i wonder if these are teething problems coming from a radically different processor design |
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| [18:36:19] | jams: | sure hope so |
| [18:36:39] | jams: | power usage was also a disappointment |
| [18:37:04] | wagnerrp: | idle power usage especially |
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| [19:05:59] | sphery: | :( |
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| [19:23:51] | jams: | hehe "couldn't upgrade database to new schema", because the version is higher then expected. |
| [19:23:59] | jams: | that cracks me up for some reason |
| [19:25:15] | sphery: | wagnerrp: did they release something besides the bulldozer FX series? if it's just FX (completely unlocked, OC'ing chips), I'm not surprised that power usage isn't great |
| [19:25:31] | wagnerrp: | just the FX ones so far |
| [19:26:20] | sphery: | yeah, I believe (hope, strongly) that we'll see much better power usage when they do the non-FX stuff |
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| [20:52:35] | Oleg_: | my tv card just arrived. time to install it |
| [20:54:40] | likwid--: | just got my hdhomerunprime today |
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| [21:00:48] | michi3: | when is 0.25 going to be released? |
| [21:01:18] | Oleg_: | oh, cool. I can connect a VCR to to the S-video input on the card? |
| [21:01:22] | Oleg_: | that's pretty cool |
| [21:02:00] | wagnerrp: | michi3: a month or two after the feature freeze goes into effect |
| [21:02:02] | Oleg_: | so, I'll be able to watch a VHS tape on my computer monitor? :) |
| [21:02:37] | michi3: | and when is this feature freeze? :) |
| [21:02:46] | wagnerrp: | about a month or two before release |
| [21:03:30] | sphery: | Oleg_: yes, you can with the HVR-1600--you wouldn't have wanted to on the HD-5500 |
| [21:03:33] | sphery: | :) |
| [21:04:01] | michi3: | ok ;)...so is 0.25 freezed? |
| [21:04:10] | wagnerrp: | not currently, but its being discussed |
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| [21:05:14] | michi3: | ok so we are talking about 2 or 3 month from now? |
| [21:05:24] | iamlindoro: | Probably not |
| [21:05:29] | iamlindoro: | Probably more |
| [21:05:29] | sphery: | Oleg_: fwiw, though, mythtv may not be ideal for "recording" vhs videos... You can do it (and there are instructions /and/ alternatives at http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/232857#232857 ), but there are many better approaches (including dd or cat) |
| [21:06:10] | michi3: | ok thx |
| [21:07:10] | sphery: | wagnerrp: why should I spend the exact same amount of money to get something that idles at the same power usage, is equally small/vesa-mountable/quiet, and is future proof. I don't need future proof /right now/... |
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| [21:07:53] | Oleg_: | vhs is a dated technology, but for fun and for nostalgic reasons, it would be fun to watch/record vhs using the tv card |
| [21:08:18] | Oleg_: | I said fun twice; seems like broken English :) |
| [21:08:30] | wagnerrp: | Oleg_: honestly, the only worth i see in recording VHS is for recovering old home movies |
| [21:08:46] | wagnerrp: | if its commercial content on VHS, trash it and buy the DVD or Bluray |
| [21:10:01] | justinh: | fun? watching VHS? hahaha |
| [21:10:31] | justinh: | if you feel that nostalgic about it, plug the VHS machine into your tv :P |
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| [21:13:41] | jams: | wagnerrp- i have been trying to convince my wife of the same thing |
| [21:13:47] | jams: | rebuy on dvd |
| [21:14:39] | jams: | she LOVES vhs for some reason..also applies to cassette tapes |
| [21:18:17] | justinh: | VHS is very... tangible |
| [21:18:30] | justinh: | like vinyl albums |
| [21:18:40] | sphery: | I'm facing a problem with my "buy the DVD if it's worth keeping" approach to TV... I love Supernatural. I would kind of like Supernatural in HDTV, so I'm stuck because I don't like anything about BluRay (except that it supports HDTV). |
| [21:18:58] | jams: | actually i see the appeal for vinyl..not tape |
| [21:19:09] | sphery: | so does Beirdo |
| [21:19:24] | sphery: | (he has a player and lots of albums) |
| [21:19:27] | justinh: | not me. I carried too much of it around for too long |
| [21:19:48] | jams: | have them..don't use them though. But i do see why some would like it |
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| [21:21:55] | justinh: | I tried capping a couple of commercial VHS tapes once. Never again. On windows, 2Ghz CPU.. framegrabber... try getting the audio in sync I *dare* you |
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| [21:22:59] | justinh: | anyway, Beirdo is grabbing all his vinyl. I guess he's only found of its sound not the format |
| [21:23:41] | wagnerrp: | who wants to carry a phonograph around on their back when they go out? |
| [21:23:53] | Oleg_: | ok, so I am running this kernel: 2.6.40.6–0.fc15.x86_64 . It will recognize the hvr-1600 card after I install it and boot the OS? |
| [21:24:11] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [21:24:23] | Beirdo: | I rip my vinyl to flac for ease of use |
| [21:24:45] | Beirdo: | the format, I do still like, and actually, on the weekend, I put on several LPs while soldering boards :) |
| [21:25:45] | Oleg_: | brb |
| [21:25:47] | justinh: | Oleg_: should imagine so. that card is hardly new |
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| [21:42:01] | Oleg_: | hmm.. I typed lspci and the card is not on the list |
| [21:43:41] | wagnerrp: | is there an HDPVR-1250 listed? |
| [21:45:17] | Oleg_: | no |
| [21:46:03] | wagnerrp: | note that lspci has nothing to do with the driver subsystem |
| [21:46:12] | wagnerrp: | it is a wholly independent hardware database |
| [21:46:53] | Oleg_: | but lspci should recognize any card that is installed |
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| [21:47:13] | wagnerrp: | no, lspci will simply enumerate anything it finds on the PCI bus |
| [21:47:17] | iamlindoro: | It will recognize *that* a card is installed, not what every one is |
| [21:47:27] | wagnerrp: | whether it recognizes it or not is a function of what is stored in its database |
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| [21:54:01] | Oleg_: | so, what should I do? Just hope that linux sees that card and run mythtv-setup? |
| [21:54:17] | iamlindoro: | lspci isn't a useful tool for anything |
| [21:54:20] | iamlindoro: | read your dmesg output |
| [21:54:27] | iamlindoro: | or better yet, pastebin it |
| [21:54:37] | iamlindoro: | then look for the presence of /dev/dvb/* and /dev/video* nodes |
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| [22:01:40] | Oleg_: | hmm... can't see any mention of the card in the dmesg output. |
| [22:02:35] | Oleg_: | yeah, I will pastebin it |
| [22:03:11] | sphery: | and lsmod output would be useful, too |
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| [22:06:16] | Oleg_: | ok, here: http://fpaste.org/kTNp/ and here: http://fpaste.org/aDeQ/ |
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| [22:10:04] | sphery: | yeah, looks like it's not detected |
| [22:10:16] | sphery: | are you sure that it's properly seated in the slot? |
| [22:10:23] | Oleg_: | I think so |
| [22:11:26] | Oleg_: | the computer case is open now, and when I touch the card, it seems to me it's properly seated |
| [22:11:46] | sphery: | using a standard kernel from a popular distribution? |
| [22:11:50] | kormoc: | lspci shows it as a unknown card or not at all? |
| [22:12:34] | Oleg_: | maybe I should try rebooting into Windows and see if Windows will recognize it :) |
| [22:13:00] | Oleg_: | kormoc, nothing at all, I think |
| [22:13:39] | kormoc: | I'd try a different slot if I was you |
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| [22:14:38] | Oleg_: | well, first I'll find out if Windows sees it, then I'll put it in a different slot if it doesn't see it |
| [22:14:59] | Oleg_: | brb |
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| [22:24:41] | Oleg_: | ok, my bad. it wasn't properly seated in the slot |
| [22:24:46] | Oleg_: | now it's recognized |
| [22:25:35] | Oleg_: | I even received the message from fedora that new hardware was installed and that I needed to install firmware for it |
| [22:25:53] | Oleg_: | and then got the message that it's ready for use |
| [22:28:37] | Oleg_: | [ 147.606182] cx18–1: Initialized card: Hauppauge HVR-1600 |
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| [22:29:18] | Oleg_: | when I run mythtv-setup, I get this: |
| [22:29:20] | Oleg_: | Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES) |
| [22:29:47] | sphery: | Oleg_: yay, glad it's working, now |
| [22:30:05] | sphery: | the access denied is a db config issue |
| [22:30:24] | sphery: | make sure every config.xml and mysql.txt on your system has proper (and consistent) information |
| [22:30:46] | sphery: | and make sure you've provided proper permissions to mythtv user on mysql |
| [22:31:26] | sphery: | see http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#modify_perm_mysql |
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| [22:43:18] | Oleg_: | hostname should be localhost? |
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| [22:47:08] | Oleg_: | it says: "Run the mythtv-setup program on your Master backend. Under the "General" menu" |
| [22:47:19] | Oleg_: | I don't see any General menu there |
| [22:48:49] | Oleg_: | people, Database Server settings should be these: |
| [22:48:56] | Oleg_: | Hostname: localhost |
| [22:49:05] | Oleg_: | Database name: mythconverh |
| [22:49:10] | Oleg_: | mythconverg |
| [22:49:18] | Oleg_: | User: mythtv |
| [22:49:24] | Oleg_: | Password: mythtv |
| [22:49:27] | Oleg_: | correct? |
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| [22:52:27] | Oleg_: | people, I am completely lost |
| [22:52:29] | Oleg_: | please help |
| [22:53:46] | hoolio: | what's up matey? |
| [22:53:55] | hoolio: | I'm no expert, but i might be able to help |
| [22:54:08] | Oleg_: | hoolio, please help me with mythtv-setup |
| [22:54:17] | hoolio: | i'll try :) what's the issue |
| [22:54:37] | Oleg_: | Database server settings |
| [22:54:50] | Oleg_: | hostname should be localhost? |
| [22:55:31] | hoolio: | is this a combined frontend/backend machine? |
| [22:55:38] | Oleg_: | yes |
| [22:55:57] | hoolio: | yeah, then localhost should be fine, generally speaking |
| [22:56:09] | hoolio: | which os? |
| [22:56:26] | Oleg_: | fedora linux |
| [22:56:38] | hoolio: | and did you get myth via a package manager? |
| [22:56:47] | hoolio: | or compiled it yourself? |
| [22:56:51] | Oleg_: | vim rpmfusion |
| [22:56:55] | Oleg_: | via |
| [22:57:08] | Oleg_: | so, yes, package manager |
| [22:57:14] | hoolio: | okay |
| [22:57:48] | Oleg_: | I get: Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES) |
| [22:57:55] | hoolio: | okay |
| [22:58:36] | hoolio: | have a look in /home/mythtv/.mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [22:59:05] | hoolio: | there should be database details in there |
| [23:00:24] | Oleg_: | I don't have /home/mythtv directory, but I have /home/oleg/.mythtv directory |
| [23:00:45] | hoolio: | cool |
| [23:01:00] | hoolio: | look in there then |
| [23:01:50] | Oleg_: | it says there: |
| [23:02:00] | Oleg_: | DBHostName=localhost |
| [23:02:05] | Oleg_: | DBUserName=mythtv |
| [23:02:10] | Oleg_: | DBPassword=mythtv |
| [23:02:16] | Oleg_: | DBName=mythconverg |
| [23:02:22] | Oleg_: | DBType=QMYSQL3 |
| [23:02:32] | hoolio: | okies |
| [23:02:37] | hoolio: | try running |
| [23:02:54] | hoolio: | mysql -u mythtv --password=mythtv mythconverg |
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| [23:03:54] | Oleg_: | it says: |
| [23:03:56] | Oleg_: | ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES) |
| [23:04:01] | hoolio: | cool |
| [23:04:18] | hoolio: | so we might need to reset the password for the mythtv account |
| [23:04:51] | hoolio: | do you know the mysql root account password? |
| [23:05:44] | Oleg_: | well, I just typed mysql -u root and now see mysql> prompt |
| [23:05:55] | hoolio: | ok, a blank root password |
| [23:06:02] | hoolio: | not ideal, but it works for now |
| [23:06:43] | Oleg_: | ok, how can I reset the password for mythtv account? |
| [23:07:34] | hoolio: | gimme a sec on phone |
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| [23:12:51] | hoolio: | update user set password=PASSWORD("NEW-PASSWORD-HERE") where User='tom'; |
| [23:12:53] | hoolio: | so |
| [23:12:56] | hoolio: | that would be.. |
| [23:13:18] | hoolio: | update user set password=PASSWORD("mythtv") where User='mythtv'; |
| [23:13:31] | hoolio: | ah wait |
| [23:13:39] | hoolio: | need to change to the mythconverg database first |
| [23:13:44] | hoolio: | use mythconverg; |
| [23:13:45] | hoolio: | i think |
| [23:14:40] | Oleg_: | Well, I ran mysql -u root < /usr/share/doc/mythtv-docs-0.24.1/database/mc.sql |
| [23:16:13] | hoolio: | oh kay, and what does /usr/share/doc/mythtv-docs-0.24.1/database/mc.sql contain? |
| [23:16:13] | Oleg_: | update user set password=PASSWORD("mythtv") where User='mythtv'; |
| [23:16:13] | Oleg_: | ERROR 1146 (42S02): Table 'mythconverg.user' doesn't exist |
| [23:17:08] | Oleg_: | this: http://fpaste.org/6W6J/ |
| [23:17:14] | iamlindoro: | user isn't a table in mythconverg-- it's a column in mysql's own db |
| [23:17:31] | hoolio: | set password for 'mythtv'@'localhost' = password('mythtv'); |
| [23:17:58] | hoolio: | iamlindoro, feel free to take over at any stage :) |
| [23:18:31] | iamlindoro: | I'll just eat dinner instead |
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| [23:18:42] | hoolio: | :) |
| [23:19:34] | hoolio: | what are you having? |
| [23:20:10] | Oleg_: | ok, mythtv-setup now says: "Warning, MythTV wants to upgrade your database" |
| [23:20:30] | hoolio: | ok, so the password issue is resolved |
| [23:20:36] | Oleg_: | yeah, thanks |
| [23:20:57] | hoolio: | do you have any other myth machines? |
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| [23:21:31] | hoolio: | np :) |
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| [23:21:46] | Oleg_: | no |
| [23:21:51] | hoolio: | is this an old mythtv database from somewhere? |
| [23:22:16] | Oleg_: | well, as I said, I installed rpm binaries |
| [23:22:20] | Oleg_: | and did nothing else |
| [23:22:23] | hoolio: | ok |
| [23:22:29] | hoolio: | yeah, then let it upgrade |
| [23:23:10] | Oleg_: | now, it shows the Main Menu screen |
| [23:23:51] | hoolio: | well that's good, i think, because it means your front end is talking to your backend |
| [23:24:04] | hoolio: | but did you go through adding capture devices etc? |
| [23:24:23] | Oleg_: | I need to go to the Capture Card menu? |
| [23:24:36] | hoolio: | run mythtv-setup |
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| [23:24:58] | hoolio: | and complete each of the screens moving from left to right |
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| [23:29:09] | Oleg_: | okay, for storage group, I need to create some new directory? |
| [23:29:22] | hoolio: | well that should probably exist already |
| [23:29:23] | Oleg_: | In that directory, recorded TV material will be stored? |
| [23:29:52] | hoolio: | depending on how myth has been packaged |
| [23:29:58] | hoolio: | otherwise yes |
| [23:30:10] | Twiggy2cents: | "default" defaultly stores tv |
| [23:30:15] | hoolio: | i'm not strong on storage groups because my distro did that all for me |
| [23:30:23] | Twiggy2cents: | That is only changed if you change it in a recording schedule |
| [23:31:08] | Twiggy2cents: | You need to go with the default storage group or make your own. They have to point to valid folders and also you need to make sure that user mythtv has full rw to it too |
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| [23:38:38] | Oleg_: | Unable to create file //.test – directory is not writeable? |
| [23:38:45] | Oleg_: | what directory is it talking about? |
| [23:39:50] | hoolio: | i dunno, try making a /tmp/.test |
| [23:39:54] | hoolio: | chmod 777 |
| [23:39:58] | iamlindoro: | You put in a blank path for a storage path |
| [23:40:37] | iamlindoro: | So it's trying to create a file called .teast in your root directory, which the user running mythtv-setup does not have permissions to write to |
| [23:40:40] | iamlindoro: | er .test |
| [23:41:25] | Oleg_: | I don't understand. I had to create a Default storage group, so I created /home/oleg/Default |
| [23:41:35] | iamlindoro: | You didn' |
| [23:41:48] | iamlindoro: | You didn't "create" the default SG... it exists by default |
| [23:41:58] | iamlindoro: | you need to add paths to be members of the storage group |
| [23:42:35] | Oleg_: | Okay, I go to Storage Directories window |
| [23:42:48] | iamlindoro: | You probably need to be reading the manual |
| [23:42:53] | Oleg_: | and it says there: "Local Storage groups" |
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| [23:50:46] | Oleg_: | I am lost |
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| [23:51:45] | hoolio: | look for some doco specific to your versions myth and fedora |
| [23:54:25] | Oleg_: | for Locale |
| [23:54:53] | Oleg_: | for Locale Settings, I can't choose ATSC format for some reason |
| [23:56:29] | iamlindoro: | Nor should you, choose NTSC |
| [23:58:57] | Oleg_: | once I am done with mythtv-setup, I need to type mythbackend, and then I need to type mythfrontend? |
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| [23:59:56] | iamlindoro: | That one way of doing it, but not the best one-- you should instead start the backend with init/upstart/systemd/whatever init system |
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