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| [02:15:52] | cxo: | how do i know if my mythtv has lirc support built in? |
| [02:16:45] | wagnerrp: | did you build it yourself? |
| [02:18:25] | cxo: | no, i used what ubuntu has got |
| [02:18:40] | wagnerrp: | the chances are it has lirc support built in |
| [02:18:43] | wagnerrp: | then |
| [02:29:43] | cxo: | And yup it does :) |
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| [02:35:55] | sphery: | ok, so the problem with recording a show from the start when it airs in syndication because you missed it on the original airing is that it comes way faster than you can watch it. I just noticed I have 117 Monk episodes and 54 Psych episodes recorded, already, and I just set up the recording schedules a couple months ago. |
| [02:37:14] | wagnerrp: | heh |
| [02:37:49] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i think USA burns through the entirety of NCIS about about five months |
| [02:37:58] | sphery: | hehe, wow |
| [02:38:02] | wagnerrp: | s/about about/in about/ |
| [02:39:02] | sphery: | so, I watched 2 1/2 men... definitely a different show--almost like a spin off series--but that might be a good thing |
| [02:39:24] | lapion: | is there any possibility to transcode from one storage device to the other ? |
| [02:39:47] | lapion: | I mean to get mythbackend to do so |
| [02:40:03] | wagnerrp: | transcode from one storage device to another? |
| [02:40:16] | wagnerrp: | i dont think transcode is the word youre looking for |
| [02:40:17] | sphery: | pretty sure mythtranscode always uses the same directory for the output file |
| [02:40:42] | sphery: | might be able to do it with nuvexport or, if not, could definitely do it with some other 3rd party transcoder (like handbrake or whatever) |
| [02:41:11] | wagnerrp: | are you saying you want to transcode, but to marginally improve the speed of it, you want the output to be on a different drive? |
| [02:41:32] | wagnerrp: | or are you saying you want to move content from one drive to another, but have mythbackend do it for you? |
| [02:41:51] | lapion: | It's a way to gain transcoding speed |
| [02:41:56] | sphery: | or if it's because you don't have enough space on the drive with the recording, just move the recording to the new file system |
| [02:41:59] | wagnerrp: | well no, not really |
| [02:42:13] | wagnerrp: | if you are actually transcoding, disk performance is going to be nearly inconsequential |
| [02:42:36] | wagnerrp: | unless youre talking about the lossless "transcoding" that mythtranscode is capable of |
| [02:42:59] | sphery: | and if you're just cutting with --mpeg2/lossless transcode, why worry about it's taking 3 1/2 minutes instead of 3 |
| [02:43:21] | wagnerrp: | sphery: well in that case, it would probably take like 1.5 minutes instead of 3.5 |
| [02:43:28] | wagnerrp: | but still, its a whole two minutes, who cares |
| [02:43:42] | wagnerrp: | its going to take five minutes to build the cutlist for it anyway |
| [02:45:13] | lapion: | it lowers the latency... |
| [02:45:43] | wagnerrp: | lapion: lets say youre transcoding a half hour HD recording |
| [02:46:04] | wagnerrp: | its 1080i30 MPEG2, say 3.5GB |
| [02:46:26] | wagnerrp: | so you detelecine it, recompress to H264, and end up with 1.5GB 1080p24 |
| [02:46:43] | sphery: | wow, I get 5 more Psych tonight (will have 58 by tomorrow morning), then get 5 Monk on Monday and 2 Psych on Tuesday, and 3 Monk on Tuesday and ... |
| [02:46:46] | wagnerrp: | that 5GB of disk IO is going to take you all of maybe three minutes on a modern hard drive |
| [02:46:54] | sphery: | glad that WD and Seagate do what they do |
| [02:47:02] | wagnerrp: | and yet that transcode is going to take you three hours on a modern quad core processor |
| [02:47:49] | wagnerrp: | if you write that 1.5GB file to another drive instead |
| [02:47:55] | wagnerrp: | you might shave a minute off of that time |
| [02:48:02] | sphery: | +1 on the "optimize the bottlenecks" idea |
| [02:48:07] | wagnerrp: | meaning you only take 179 minutes, rather than 180 minutes |
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| [02:52:44] | lapion: | it's also about leavind bandwidth free for recording while transcoding |
| [02:54:19] | wagnerrp: | if youre worried about bandwidth for recordings, put time restrictions on the jobqueue |
| [02:55:10] | wagnerrp: | the low disk IO found during a real transcode wont harm recordings one bit |
| [02:55:46] | wagnerrp: | the high disk IO found during a lossless transcode shouldnt harm recordings if you run at a low priority, so the IO prioritization kicks in |
| [02:56:05] | wagnerrp: | and since theyre only going to take a couple minutes anyway |
| [02:56:17] | wagnerrp: | its not like you cant simply wait until your recordings are over to queue those |
| [02:56:18] | lapion: | well it's more for the lossless transcoding.. |
| [02:57:16] | wagnerrp: | the jobqueue has a schedruntime value |
| [02:57:22] | wagnerrp: | by default, that will simply be set to NOW() |
| [02:57:35] | wagnerrp: | if you add the jobs to the queue manually, you can set it to whatever you want |
| [02:57:44] | wagnerrp: | including some time in the future after your recordings are over |
| [02:57:50] | wagnerrp: | meaning it wont run until some time later |
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| [02:59:38] | lapion: | sorry my mindset was still in dual PIII when I needed a raid scsi to keep up with the processor performance.. |
| [02:59:58] | wagnerrp: | i doubt that was the case even then |
| [03:01:09] | wagnerrp: | the old 7200RPM 10–40GB drives back then should have pushed 10–20MB/s |
| [03:01:28] | wagnerrp: | i know i had a 4200RPM bigfoot that could do 15MB/s |
| [03:01:48] | lapion: | well I was using that system the beginning of the millennium.. had a a matrox card.. could play 720p. |
| [03:02:43] | wagnerrp: | you might be able to push half real time transcoding of a DVD to xvid |
| [03:03:07] | wagnerrp: | which would have been 3Mbps read, to 1Mbps write |
| [03:03:22] | lapion: | transcoding sd to x264 went at 12fps 24fps from external drive to raid |
| [03:03:22] | wagnerrp: | at significantly reduced resolution |
| [03:03:52] | wagnerrp: | not circa 2000 it didnt |
| [03:04:38] | lapion: | mencoder tricks... |
| [03:04:48] | wagnerrp: | and youre still not doing 480p24 transcoding of x264 on a pair of P3s |
| [03:04:58] | wagnerrp: | not with any worthwhile quality settings |
| [03:05:10] | wagnerrp: | lapion: h264 wasnt even drafted until like 2003 |
| [03:05:25] | wagnerrp: | and x264 was not released until some time long after that, like 2005 |
| [03:05:36] | lapion: | o should I have halved those numbers.. yeah the originals where for an athlon 1.1Ghz |
| [03:06:27] | wagnerrp: | a single core 1.1GHz T-bird isnt going to do 12fps encoding using x264 with any worthwhile quality or bitrate |
| [03:06:56] | wagnerrp: | worthwhile for 480p (DVD) starts somewhere around 1Mbps |
| [03:06:58] | wagnerrp: | 2Mbps is better |
| [03:07:10] | lapion: | I have to look back at the xchat logfiles.. I was heavy into chatting back then.. . |
| [03:07:10] | wagnerrp: | and a t-bird wont come anywhere neat that |
| [03:07:17] | wagnerrp: | near |
| [03:07:35] | wagnerrp: | and in 2000 when you would have been using a t-bird, you were not encoding with x264 anyway |
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| [03:10:17] | wagnerrp: | in any case, unless youre using some extremely low complexity formats like huffman, mpng, or mjpeg |
| [03:10:25] | wagnerrp: | disk speed isnt going to be of significant concern |
| [03:13:49] | lapion: | well yeah like I said I was still thinking in terms of my old PIII...( bought it second hand back then for E25) |
| [03:16:16] | wagnerrp: | bah! |
| [03:16:17] | lapion: | I stopped using central heating back then. only to that box running 24/7 for xchat and I guess it was more around 2002/4 or something |
| [03:16:26] | wagnerrp: | no wonder my buildslave is running so much slower after the rebuild |
| [03:16:35] | wagnerrp: | ccache is only set to 1GB of storage |
| [03:16:48] | wagnerrp: | i know i told it to use 4GB |
| [03:17:46] | wagnerrp: | im getting like a 20% hit rate |
| [03:17:53] | wagnerrp: | when i should be at like 90% |
| [03:19:08] | lapion: | how much ram do you have in your buildslave ? |
| [03:19:19] | wagnerrp: | 4GB |
| [03:19:56] | lapion: | low swappiness ? |
| [03:20:07] | lapion: | or no swapdrive ? |
| [03:20:14] | wagnerrp: | 8GB of swap |
| [03:20:25] | wagnerrp: | i never go more than a couple hundred MB into it |
| [03:21:30] | wagnerrp: | i really should give it more, ZFS eats up whatever you give it |
| [03:21:42] | lapion: | yeah you have to make sure every process except mission critical gets swapped so you reserve more memory for building |
| [03:21:58] | wagnerrp: | more memory for building? |
| [03:22:06] | wagnerrp: | the buildslaves all run -j1 |
| [03:22:13] | lapion: | caching the build that is.. |
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| [03:34:16] | lapion: | dedicated buildslave or desktop running slave processes ? |
| [03:34:35] | wagnerrp: | isolated jail on a backend server |
| [03:38:13] | lapion: | I used to use distccd on all systems I had... |
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| [03:39:03] | wagnerrp: | i dont run enough similar systems for distcc to be worth much |
| [03:39:17] | lapion: | where are there any docs about setting up a buildslave |
| [03:39:54] | wagnerrp: | dont know, i was directed how to do so, by someone else who set up the master |
| [03:40:11] | lapion: | I ran distcc on all kind of systems.. even doing powerpc builds on intel systems.. |
| [03:40:42] | wagnerrp: | cross compilation is something ive not had much luck in |
| [03:41:08] | lapion: | distcc does n0t require identical systems... |
| [03:42:50] | lapion: | all the libraries and such are passed on by distcc |
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| [03:45:31] | lapion: | I also built x86 binaries with (macosx) ppc-distcc systems in the network.. even though this only brought the distcc build back to a crawl given the performance of microkernel systemm |
| [03:46:53] | lapion: | wagnerrp, I am going to try to sleep some more.. |
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| [04:33:45] | Beirdo: | OK, there's 6 more little hdpvr devices soldered up and tested |
| [04:34:00] | Beirdo: | I think I'll watch some House now |
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| [04:34:48] | mattwj2002: | hey guys |
| [04:34:56] | wagnerrp: | watch out for the rubberized cinder block jail cells |
| [04:35:06] | mattwj2002: | 2 programs, using 5.1 GB (1 hr 28 mins) out of 2.9 TB (2.7 TB free). |
| [04:35:08] | mattwj2002: | :D |
| [04:35:28] | wagnerrp: | ok? |
| [04:35:42] | mattwj2002: | I am up to almost 3 TB! |
| [04:35:43] | mattwj2002: | :) |
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| [04:42:31] | Beirdo: | mattwj2002: I'm almost down to 3TB used |
| [04:43:14] | Beirdo: | oooh, just under. |
| [04:43:30] | Beirdo: | 1143 programs, using 2.9 TB (1 month 11 days 18 hrs 25 mins) out of 11 TB (7.6 TB free). |
| [04:43:34] | mattwj2002: | lol |
| [04:43:42] | mattwj2002: | I am jealous! |
| [04:43:43] | mattwj2002: | :) |
| [04:44:00] | wagnerrp: | surprisingly, thats just a moderately sized mythtv system |
| [04:44:12] | mattwj2002: | wagnerrp: what about you? |
| [04:44:13] | Beirdo: | "moderately"... hehe |
| [04:44:23] | wagnerrp: | ive got somewhere around there total |
| [04:44:33] | mattwj2002: | okay |
| [04:44:36] | Beirdo: | doubt the majority have much more than 12TB available |
| [04:44:52] | mattwj2002: | 12 TB hehe |
| [04:44:56] | Beirdo: | just a few crazy people |
| [04:45:09] | mattwj2002: | Beirdo: how are you recording? |
| [04:45:14] | mattwj2002: | cable card? |
| [04:45:19] | wagnerrp: | 4.5TB of disk space directly available to recordings (but reported as 1.8TB due to ZFS quirkiness) |
| [04:45:24] | Beirdo: | I have 4 3TB drives in there.. it will likely get upgraded to 4*5TB eventually |
| [04:45:40] | wagnerrp: | plus another 5TB in an array |
| [04:45:54] | mattwj2002: | you guys sure like your TV :D |
| [04:46:00] | Beirdo: | mattwj2002: satellite (3 recievers) and OTA (2 dual tuner receivers) |
| [04:46:06] | mattwj2002: | nice |
| [04:46:31] | Beirdo: | unfortunately, I've been recording ~20h/day lately :) |
| [04:46:39] | mattwj2002: | hehe |
| [04:46:46] | wagnerrp: | baseball? or syndicated tv? |
| [04:46:46] | Beirdo: | it's such a losing battle |
| [04:46:50] | Beirdo: | just TV |
| [04:46:53] | mattwj2002: | I am dropping down to 1 cable card with dual tuners |
| [04:46:59] | Beirdo: | haven't recorded any baseball this year |
| [04:47:23] | Beirdo: | I tried to record the allstar game, but my mythbox took a vacation that day |
| [04:47:26] | mattwj2002: | the cable signal is too weak with the other hdhomerun |
| [04:47:35] | mattwj2002: | *with the hdhomerun |
| [04:47:42] | Beirdo: | sounds like you need an amp |
| [04:47:48] | mattwj2002: | I have an amp! |
| [04:47:51] | mattwj2002: | :) |
| [04:48:29] | Beirdo: | Eureka – Aprovechamiento del Agua Potable |
| [04:48:41] | Beirdo: | umm, that's not the Eureka I'm looking for! |
| [04:49:02] | wagnerrp: | something about testing drinking water? |
| [04:49:03] | Beirdo: | ONCE TV Mexico?! |
| [04:49:04] | Beirdo: | hahah |
| [04:49:10] | Beirdo: | seems to be. |
| [04:49:15] | Beirdo: | SyFy this ain't |
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| [04:51:40] | mattwj2002: | hmmm |
| [04:52:07] | Beirdo: | ahh, the apartment (or maybe just the inside of my nose) smells like soldering. |
| [04:52:32] | mattwj2002: | :P |
| [04:52:52] | wagnerrp: | the smell of burning rosin? |
| [04:52:55] | Beirdo: | and 0 failures out of 6. I think I had a good session |
| [04:53:00] | Beirdo: | yup :) |
| [04:54:30] | mattwj2002: | I need more shows to record |
| [04:54:41] | Beirdo: | took a bit to find the Windows software to program them... some idiot forgot to put it in the Start menu :) |
| [04:55:01] | wagnerrp: | no linux software? |
| [04:55:04] | Beirdo: | nope |
| [04:55:17] | wagnerrp: | whatever do all those arduino people do? |
| [04:55:20] | Beirdo: | to program the FTDI device, you have to use the 'blows software |
| [04:55:30] | Beirdo: | they don't use the GPIO on the FTDI device |
| [04:55:37] | wagnerrp: | dont they use the same amtel microcontroller? |
| [04:55:47] | Beirdo: | there's no processor on this board |
| [04:56:15] | wagnerrp: | am i thinking of the kegputer? |
| [04:56:20] | Beirdo: | I think technically now I COULD program it, but libftdi isn't up-to-date on the programming side |
| [04:56:28] | Beirdo: | yeah, you're thinking of that one :) |
| [04:57:16] | Beirdo: | I program it to turn on the GPIOs and set manufacturer and model and give it a new serial number |
| [04:57:27] | Beirdo: | takes about 10s each |
| [04:58:21] | Beirdo: | but the little Atom Windows netbook stays in there right next to my soldering area |
| [04:58:29] | Beirdo: | so no biggie |
| [05:00:49] | Beirdo: | WTF? a wire-wrap tool sells for $25–40?! |
| [05:02:31] | Beirdo: | the most difficult part of the board assembly is stripping two short pieces of wire-wrap wire (30AWG) to fix a minor mistake |
| [05:03:08] | wagnerrp: | why wire-wrap? why not just solder directly to an available joint? |
| [05:03:28] | wagnerrp: | i mean you have to have the posts there to wrap to in the first place |
| [05:09:16] | Beirdo: | I do |
| [05:09:30] | Beirdo: | but the wire-wrap tool is good for stripping the super-fine wire |
| [05:09:36] | Beirdo: | that's all I want it for ;) |
| [05:09:50] | ** wagnerrp uses fingernails ** | |
| [05:10:07] | Beirdo: | I use my side cutters... very gingerly |
| [05:10:38] | wagnerrp: | fkjndkfjnskdcjnask! |
| [05:10:44] | Beirdo: | then after, epoxy the fly-wires down so they won't budge later |
| [05:10:56] | wagnerrp: | i normally use xterms, which are middle click to paste |
| [05:10:57] | Beirdo: | yeah, I end up saying that a LOT using the side cutters |
| [05:11:10] | wagnerrp: | however currently im using putty, which is right click to paste, middle to select |
| [05:11:31] | wagnerrp: | so i keep re-selecting, and selecting the wrong thing instead of pasting |
| [05:16:49] | Beirdo: | fun times |
| [05:18:23] | Beirdo: | I need to remember to bring my needlenose pliers to the soldering station next time |
| [05:19:14] | Beirdo: | holding the end of the diode's lead when cutting it... even for half a second each... has left my left index finger feeling like I stabbed it repeatedly with hot metal. |
| [05:19:19] | Beirdo: | Oh wait. I did |
| [05:19:42] | wagnerrp: | heh |
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| [05:20:03] | Beirdo: | better that than a 1.5" hot lead flying across the room into who knows what |
| [05:20:15] | wagnerrp: | i really need a more powerful iron |
| [05:20:26] | Beirdo: | I need a smaller tip for mine |
| [05:20:39] | wagnerrp: | half the time, its not hot enough to heat up the stuff i want to do |
| [05:20:55] | Beirdo: | it's probably the cheapest Weller soldering station in existance |
| [05:20:58] | wagnerrp: | as the wires are too thick, and draw the heat away too quickly |
| [05:21:05] | Beirdo: | ahh, yeah, get a better one :) |
| [05:21:19] | wagnerrp: | its just a cheap 12W radioshack one |
| [05:21:28] | Beirdo: | that will do for most things though |
| [05:21:49] | Beirdo: | I'd hate to try surface mount with a non-regulated iron though |
| [05:22:09] | wagnerrp: | so i just end up burning off a lot more insulator than i should |
| [05:22:21] | Beirdo: | yeah |
| [05:22:22] | wagnerrp: | since im not spot heating things |
| [05:22:53] | Beirdo: | a way to minimize that... hold the other side of the wire with needlenose as close to where you're soldering as you can |
| [05:23:02] | Beirdo: | then the pliers become the heatsink |
| [05:23:25] | Beirdo: | but of course, if the iron's just not hot enough, then you get no solder joint at all, just hot pliers |
| [05:23:28] | Beirdo: | heh |
| [05:23:38] | wagnerrp: | of course that presumes ive got a desk clamp |
| [05:23:51] | Beirdo: | you know... I've never used one |
| [05:23:55] | wagnerrp: | and am not trying to hold three things in mid air using the five fingers of my off hand |
| [05:24:08] | Beirdo: | yeah, that's always fun :) |
| [05:24:38] | Beirdo: | hmmm |
| [05:24:51] | wagnerrp: | soldering stuff to a board is easy, but i rarely end up doing that |
| [05:25:01] | wagnerrp: | its usually things like soldering different connectors onto fans |
| [05:25:03] | wagnerrp: | and such |
| [05:25:16] | wagnerrp: | wiring up a different power connector |
| [05:25:17] | wagnerrp: | etc |
| [05:25:35] | Beirdo: | http://www.amazon.com/SE-Table-Magnifier-Lamp . . . p/B000SNA3HE |
| [05:25:39] | Beirdo: | That I could use |
| [05:26:03] | wagnerrp: | i prefer edge clamp stuff |
| [05:26:23] | wagnerrp: | weighted stands like that just dont have the freedom as hard mounted ones |
| [05:26:38] | Beirdo: | well, that'd be for inspecting my work (and for the fine surface mount work) |
| [05:26:43] | Beirdo: | yeah, true |
| [05:27:23] | Beirdo: | http://www.amazon.com/Fluorescent-Magnifier-D . . . /B0011DH28I/ |
| [05:27:26] | Beirdo: | there |
| [05:29:00] | wagnerrp: | nah, this are the kind of thing you need to be using... http://imageshack.us/f/291/image3kh.png/ |
| [05:30:32] | wagnerrp: | f'n steampunkers |
| [05:30:52] | Beirdo: | heheh |
| [05:31:10] | wagnerrp: | try to find a cool pair of magnification googles, and the only thing i can come up with that isnt "steampunk" is the NVGs from ghostbusters |
| [05:31:30] | wagnerrp: | and the quarter inch plastic toy version at that |
| [05:32:05] | Beirdo: | I like the desk mount ones, especially when I go to work on my stamp collection |
| [05:35:36] | wagnerrp: | i mean, why cant you find anything like this for close up viewing... http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-8X-Spectacles-Sport . . . em3a65c2613c |
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| [05:36:11] | wagnerrp: | all you get are those dorky plastic fold down visors with the single piece lens in the front |
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| [05:40:50] | xris: | wagnerrp: http://www.google.com/search?gcx=w&source . . . &qscrl=1 |
| [05:42:53] | wagnerrp: | xris: but its hard to find any that arent the plastic visor type |
| [05:43:07] | xris: | this was one of the ads that popped up when I searched: http://www.debspecs.com/Loupe-2-10x-Hands-Fre . . . 3290C69.aspx |
| [05:45:47] | wagnerrp: | im just surprised those arent the more common version |
| [05:49:13] | xris: | I suspect most use is medical or jewelry-making. in both cases you want something to protect from splatters, and in medical, something easy to wash/sterilize. |
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| [07:07:13] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: whose mess is the ReferenceCounter::DownRef log spew? |
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| [07:08:57] | Beirdo: | hehe, yours :) |
| [07:09:41] | Beirdo: | having it always logging ReferenceCounter(0) for every instance... kinda removes the usefulness of the logging completely |
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| [08:04:40] | Beirdo: | hehe, people SO don't understand the mysql/ext4 "issue" |
| [08:18:03] | Beirdo: | and bedtime |
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| [09:29:18] | Weaselweb: | how can I set mythtv to use Tmdb.py with a specific language? |
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| [09:41:09] | dekarl: | Weaselweb: hi, you are running the current development version? It should automatically use the configured frontend/backend language |
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| [09:41:59] | Weaselweb: | dekarl: no, I'm running the current stable one from gentoo: 0.23.1_p27077 |
| [09:42:12] | Weaselweb: | all I can find, is selecting the script, but not the arguments passed to it |
| [09:44:01] | dekarl: | oh, current stable is more like 0.24-fixes. I don't really know how the metadata grabbers worked back then :( |
| [09:45:34] | dekarl: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Jamu#Language_Support says that the old variant only has language support for ttvdb, but not for tmdb... |
| [09:46:28] | Weaselweb: | dekarl: ah, good to know. thanks a lot |
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| [09:47:34] | dekarl: | Weaselweb: welcome, you might try again in the "when people from the US are awake" times, the metadata devs are from there |
| [09:48:32] | Weaselweb: | ok, maybe I'll try |
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| [09:57:10] | lapion: | weaselweb do you use an analog tuner ? |
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| [09:58:33] | lapion: | if so, be aware that 0.24 has several tuning bugs |
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| [10:02:01] | lapion: | Weaselweb, several severe asnalog tuning bugs |
| [10:02:11] | lapion: | *analog |
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| [10:25:59] | AndyCap: | "What people expect out of a set-top box — particularly one they have built themselves — varies wildly." |
| [10:26:55] | AndyCap: | "some obsessed with high-end audio output and some with tacking on as many video capture cards as humanly possible" |
| [10:27:10] | Weaselweb: | lapion: well, I don't use TvRecording at all. just MythVideo for playback |
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| [10:28:29] | lapion: | works really good Weaselweb |
| [10:29:28] | Weaselweb: | lapion: I don't doubt that, but being forced to use some CI-card (maybe even CI+) and a decoder for watching isn't really worth for me |
| [10:30:02] | AndyCap: | Weaselweb: ci+ isn't really an option though is it? |
| [10:30:11] | AndyCap: | oh, decoder. never mind |
| [10:31:06] | Weaselweb: | i know there are some PC-card for using CI, but the effort isn't worth. CI+ doesn't work at all in PCs, do they? |
| [10:31:30] | lapion: | Weaselweb, no I mean that in case you only want to use it for mythvideo I would upgrade for sure, I was only warning for the problems with analog tuners |
| [10:31:40] | Weaselweb: | ah, ic |
| [10:31:51] | Weaselweb: | well, gentoo doesn't provide new ebuilds for 0.24 at all :( |
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| [10:37:49] | AndyCap: | Weaselweb: well, ci works nok, and no. CI+ will probably never work on any os I care about. :P |
| [10:42:48] | lapion: | Weaselweb, gentoo is a do it yourself os.. so go and do... |
| [10:45:53] | stuartm: | gentoo doesn't offer 0.24 packages/builds? 0.24.0 is approaching a year old, 0.24.1 is 4–5 months old |
| [10:46:09] | stuartm: | so much for Gentoo being bleeding edge |
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| [12:22:07] | sphery: | Weaselweb: Gentoo doesn't offer 0.24 builds because we now have the Gentoo ebuilds in our repo: https://github.com/MythTV/packaging/tree/master/Gentoo |
| [12:23:10] | Weaselweb: | sphery: oh, cool. th might come in handy |
| [12:23:23] | sphery: | (I think the plan is that eventually the main ebuilds will just get pulled out of our repo) |
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| [12:29:57] | wagnerrp: | yeah, cardoe has been out of the loop for a while |
| [12:30:39] | wagnerrp: | but he plans on getting a system set up that periodically pulls our ebuilds, runs their unit tests to verify, and adds them to their upstream tree |
| [12:31:11] | sphery: | Weaselweb: oh, and I forgot to switch that to the 0.24-fixes branch, so you'd really want: https://github.com/MythTV/packaging/tree/fixes/0.24/ , not the master one |
| [12:31:43] | sphery: | ah, maybe not... since there's no gentoo in there |
| [12:31:45] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: yeah, i was duplicating the mechanism mythsocket used for identifying itself |
| [12:31:50] | sphery: | so master one probably has a switch or something? |
| [12:32:07] | wagnerrp: | except, at the time i didnt want to bother actually figuring out /how/ it identified itself |
| [12:32:20] | Weaselweb: | sphery: afaics, there a ebuild for 0.24.x and 0.25.x |
| [12:32:25] | wagnerrp: | so i just left it as 0 and intended to fix it later |
| [12:32:48] | wagnerrp: | sphery, Weaselweb: all of the gentoo ebuilds are in the master branch |
| [12:32:50] | sphery: | ah, ok... just wanted to make sure I didn't cause you to accidentally upgrade to unstable/development |
| [12:33:03] | wagnerrp: | gentoo users can select which one they want |
| [12:33:10] | sphery: | cool |
| [12:33:13] | Weaselweb: | no, picking the correct version is and easy one for me |
| [12:33:14] | wagnerrp: | so there is no need to separate them out into branches |
| [12:33:30] | sphery: | good to know |
| [12:33:32] | sphery: | thanks for the info |
| [12:33:39] | Weaselweb: | btw: is upgrading/downgrading from 0.23 and 0.24 possible without db breakage? |
| [12:33:45] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [12:33:49] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is upgrade only |
| [12:33:55] | sphery: | you have to restore the pre-upgrade db backup to go down |
| [12:33:59] | wagnerrp: | if you want to downgrade, you need to do so from the database backup |
| [12:34:08] | Weaselweb: | ok, thanks |
| [12:34:08] | sphery: | which means you lose all that changed on the upgrade--including new recordings/new configuratin/... |
| [12:34:22] | sphery: | (new recordings /could/ be placed into mythvideo, though) |
| [12:34:41] | sphery: | but recording history, et. al., will be gone |
| [12:34:47] | sphery: | for those recordings |
| [12:35:42] | Weaselweb: | the only reason atm for upgrading is the mentioned better language support for movie database fetches |
| [12:36:10] | sphery: | and all the fixes in 0.24-fixes that aren't in 0.23 |
| [12:36:13] | sphery: | :) |
| [12:36:42] | sphery: | (though if you haven't noticed any problems...) |
| [12:36:58] | Weaselweb: | no, none I'm aware of |
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| [12:37:25] | sphery: | I guess maybe today I should catch up on the 142 master commits I'm behind, and maybe do some work on mythtv |
| [12:37:46] | sphery: | though I'm tempted to upgrade to current 0.24-fixes for the audio fixes |
| [12:38:36] | sphery: | and that tempts me to switch my remote backend from i686 to x68_64 (it was an Athlon XP 2400+ until just a couple weeks ago, so had to do i686) |
| [12:40:06] | wagnerrp: | oof |
| [12:40:16] | wagnerrp: | seems mediawiki ip blocking isnt doing anything |
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| [12:44:43] | wagnerrp: | the last four bad usernames were from an IP that had been banned within the last few days |
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| [12:51:39] | sid3windr: | wagnerrp: from viewing another channel's irc bot that sends out wiki activity, it seems banned ips can create usernames but not edit pages |
| [12:51:49] | sid3windr: | if that correlates with what you are seeing... :) |
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| [13:06:25] | ureds: | Quick question, which folder is channels.conf normally stored? |
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| [13:13:53] | sphery: | ureds: we don't use channels.conf... you need to use the mythtv-setup channel scanner to scan for digital channels |
| [13:17:09] | ureds: | spery: have done that, I wanted to trim out a lot of channels, does it not store them in a channels.conf after the scan? |
| [13:18:27] | sphery: | no, use mythtv-setup's channel editor to delete them |
| [13:19:03] | ureds: | ok thanks |
| [13:19:22] | sphery: | or, if you have mythweb installed/configured, go to mythweb's settings area, then select TV then Channel Info, and you can select a bunch of them to delete at once |
| [13:19:45] | sphery: | in mythtv-setup use DELETE (by default 'D') to delete them. |
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| [13:20:28] | sphery: | it's possible that the mythweb editor may not work properly... or else, the people who complained that it doesn't work properly just haven't configured mythweb properly (i.e. they haven't set a large enough post data size to allow for the number of channels they have) |
| [13:20:39] | sphery: | I haven't investigated, but some users have complained |
| [13:20:56] | sphery: | I suspect it's the latter case and it's just misconfiguration, but thought I'd warn you |
| [13:22:56] | lapion: | sphery, mythweb worked correctly to managing channels last time I checked |
| [13:23:33] | sphery: | cool... it's probably just post data size, then |
| [13:23:50] | sphery: | I've used it to set callsign on channels, but haven't done a delete through mythweb |
| [13:23:58] | sphery: | so wasn't sure... |
| [13:24:01] | stuartm: | MENU > DELETE should also be an option, although slower than pressing a delete key directly |
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| [13:24:58] | sphery: | ah, cool--didn't know we had delete in the menu for mythtv-setup stuff... it should be, though, since it's a function most users have a hard time figuring out |
| [13:25:18] | stuartm: | sphery: strictly speaking, yes the mythweb issue is config related but IMHO it should work out of the box with a standard config and not require users to have to modify their php/apache config files |
| [13:25:48] | sphery: | but how in the world could "the box" change the non-mythtv php configuration? |
| [13:25:58] | sphery: | it's up to packagers/users to fix their php config |
| [13:26:20] | lapion: | for frame grabbing analog cards myth-setup (0.24 current) doesn't scan channels at all, just confirms all channels with adding frequencies to channels |
| [13:26:27] | sphery: | though if you're saying that using the services api and not involving mythweb/php (so it just proxies the pages) is the right solution, I completely agree |
| [13:26:29] | stuartm: | sphery: we can fix mythweb to not submit all that data |
| [13:27:24] | sphery: | I like the transition all setup/config to services api approach better--better use of time (and means mythweb will never break independently of "real" setup) |
| [13:27:25] | stuartm: | e.g. ajax would allow realtime changes or javascript used to only submit changes |
| [13:28:00] | sphery: | imho, mythweb shouldn't be messing with any configuration, anyway--especially now that mythweb isn't tied to any particular mythtv or database schema version |
| [13:28:34] | sphery: | I should really add db schema check to the php bindings, too... just so that when 0.25 comes out people don't cause very bad things to happen |
| [13:28:42] | stuartm: | fwiw, we already ship mythweb with config overrides in .htaccess and php's post size limit can also be modified by the script at runtime |
| [13:29:28] | sphery: | and it can be modified /higher/ than the php-configured max size? if so, that's a terrible design, IMHO |
| [13:30:17] | sphery: | anyway, if it's as easy as adding something to the mythweb.conf, that works for me |
| [13:30:32] | sphery: | but I still think we should be ripping all that stuff out of mythweb and going with the services stuff |
| [13:30:53] | sphery: | so mythweb eventually becomes just a client and not a complete re-implementation of mythtv-setup, too |
| [13:31:06] | sphery: | (or semi-complete, as the case may be) |
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| [14:39:31] | Twiggy2cents: | http://playlater.tv/ Is this legal? |
| [14:51:30] | sphery: | heh, generally, if you have to ask, the answer is no |
| [14:52:07] | Twiggy2cents: | It seems that there is nothing that says you cant use it. Is it considered a softcam? |
| [14:52:31] | sphery: | isn't it just stealing copies of the Flash videos they put on their web sites? |
| [14:52:37] | sid3windr: | PAGE SAYS IT IS! :P |
| [14:52:41] | sphery: | i.e. in violation of site ToS? |
| [14:52:41] | sid3windr: | err |
| [14:52:43] | sid3windr: | -capslock |
| [14:53:13] | sphery: | (at least, based on http://www.playon.tv/playlater , which is where your uri redirected me) |
| [14:54:04] | sphery: | sounds to me like one of those scripts that just grabs the flash video and bypasses the site's player (and the site's ads and ...) |
| [14:54:13] | sphery: | just in windows executable form |
| [14:54:16] | sid3windr: | Is PlayLater legal? |
| [14:54:16] | sid3windr: | Yes. PlayLater is technology designed to let individuals watch legal online content whenever and wherever they like. Just like the broadcast DVR and the VCR before it, PlayLater is designed for personal use and convenience. |
| [14:54:20] | sid3windr: | :> |
| [14:54:31] | sphery: | hehe |
| [14:54:34] | sid3windr: | "whatever convinces you that you can do this" |
| [14:54:35] | sid3windr: | :p |
| [14:54:44] | Twiggy2cents: | Yeah I read that. I dont see how it would be though because the recorded file would likely have no drm |
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| [14:55:06] | sphery: | where "legal" in that context completely ignores the concept of abiding by the site's ToS which specifically says you can only use the service with their player, etc. |
| [14:55:22] | sphery: | anyway, feel free to try it out |
| [14:55:38] | Twiggy2cents: | I dont have windows |
| [14:56:00] | sphery: | then when the US Immigrations and Customs Enforcement (ICE) investigates the site and sics the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) on you, you'll know the answer to your question :) |
| [14:56:12] | Twiggy2cents: | lol |
| [14:56:46] | sphery: | (and, yes, the ICE and its DHS division are truly enforcing copyright, now--by siezing domains that are known to violate copyright laws) |
| [14:57:00] | sphery: | so the US really does have copyright police, now |
| [14:57:29] | Twiggy2cents: | I cant stand netflix on a computer. It tears as bad or worse than flash |
| [14:57:39] | Twiggy2cents: | I use it on my ps3 though and it gives good quality |
| [14:58:22] | sphery: | yeah... I watched some netflix this week--was traveling and one of the guys at the company I was working for used it to watch The IT Crowd episodes (that I had already watched) |
| [14:58:38] | sphery: | the quality was poor, it had terrible tearing and skipped a lot of frames |
| [14:59:04] | sphery: | part was probably his laptop/gpu, but it was actually Windows, so it's as good as it gets (was a Core i5 based laptop, though...) |
| [14:59:17] | sphery: | Silverlight didn't impress me any more than Flash |
| [14:59:55] | sphery: | I wonder if netflix will be switching to Flash, now--since it seems MS is going to let Silverlight die a quiet death and push HTML5/CSS3/... for web apps, etc. |
| [14:59:56] | Twiggy2cents: | Did microsoft kill development on silverlight or was I just imagining hearing that? |
| [15:00:05] | Twiggy2cents: | ohh |
| [15:00:06] | sphery: | that's the rumor |
| [15:00:21] | sphery: | they keep telling the silverlight developers otherwise, though :) |
| [15:01:41] | sphery: | "If we tell them the truth, they'll be upset for having wasted years learning/becoming experienced with Silverlight--and having to learn something else to make a living--so let's just pretend to support it until they've all had to switch to other technologies because all the companies stop using Silverlight, so there's no demand for Silverlight developers" |
| [15:02:04] | sphery: | not that MS would ever do that... just writing fiction, here |
| [15:05:46] | Twiggy2cents: | I dont know who richard stallman is but the dude is a huge ass! |
| [15:05:47] | Twiggy2cents: | http://edward.oconnor.cx/2005/04/rms |
| [15:05:48] | stuartm: | just the other day they announced plans to use html5 for some key new thing (can't remember what it was now) where it was assumed Silverlight was to be used, I think anyone who wasn't entirely delusional realised that was the nail in the Silverlight coffin |
| [15:07:53] | sphery: | Metro UI, I think |
| [15:08:01] | stuartm: | yeah, that was it |
| [15:08:12] | sphery: | which is the new Win Phone 8/"other half of Windows" UI |
| [15:08:29] | stuartm: | MS have been steadily side-lining silverlight for months now and even early Silverlight media partners have given up on it switching to Flash or HTML 5 instead (e.g. ITV's VOD platform was originally silverlight, now flash) |
| [15:08:44] | sphery: | Twiggy2cents: RMS is the guy who started GNU |
| [15:08:51] | Twiggy2cents: | ohh |
| [15:08:56] | sphery: | he's the reason we have a Free operating system choice :) |
| [15:09:19] | Twiggy2cents: | Well he is a huge ass |
| [15:09:20] | sphery: | but I will admit he's a bit of a zealot--who's made his crusade into a religion of sorts |
| [15:09:28] | Twiggy2cents: | https://skitch.com/koush/f9r4t/richard-stallmans-personal-page |
| [15:09:39] | Twiggy2cents: | There is another talking about how the death of steve jobs was good |
| [15:09:49] | sid3windr: | you should check his website |
| [15:09:49] | sid3windr: | indeed |
| [15:10:00] | sid3windr: | he's quite the ass :) |
| [15:10:58] | sphery: | hehe |
| [15:12:12] | sphery: | I guess he just has different priorities from most people |
| [15:12:47] | Twiggy2cents: | Yeah, way different |
| [15:12:56] | Twiggy2cents: | He considered a new kid a sad thing |
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| [15:34:45] | wagnerrp: | sid3windr: no, they made new pages |
| [15:34:57] | sid3windr: | they? |
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| [15:36:44] | wagnerrp: | sid3windr: the new wiki users operating on supposedly banned IPs |
| [15:36:53] | wagnerrp: | Twiggy2cents: a CAM is a Conditional Access Module |
| [15:37:12] | wagnerrp: | a piece of hardware slotted into a tuner card to decrypt subscribed channels |
| [15:37:33] | wagnerrp: | a softcam is the same thing, but in software, performed on the encrypted content after it is captured and output by the tuner card |
| [15:38:23] | wagnerrp: | the reason we disallow their use is because a softcam is under the control of the user, meaning the user can reprogram them to access whatever content they want |
| [15:38:37] | sid3windr: | wagnerrp: ah, ok – weird. |
| [15:38:37] | wagnerrp: | it has nothing to do with a "camera" |
| [15:43:01] | Twiggy2cents: | Ohh |
| [15:44:16] | sphery: | this, however, would be a soft camera: http://www.etsy.com/listing/56237914/custom-plush-camera |
| [15:44:31] | sphery: | I think those are allowed--but not sure |
| [15:44:39] | sid3windr: | hehe |
| [15:45:29] | Twiggy2cents: | Maybe not though, the user could modify it to their needs |
| [15:46:37] | sphery: | but we allow modifying--just don't support modifying for the purposes of illegal/against-ToS activities |
| [15:48:51] | sphery: | wagnerrp: do you know if mythutil functions are going to be removed from, i.e. mythcommflag, etc.? |
| [15:54:54] | wagnerrp: | i asked capt'm that when he submitted it |
| [15:54:58] | wagnerrp: | havent seen a response |
| [15:55:19] | wagnerrp: | im guessing he wants to let them sit around a while to make sure the new ones work |
| [15:56:12] | wagnerrp: | sphery: how about a 'deprecated' flag in mythcommandlineparser? |
| [15:56:36] | wagnerrp: | something that removes it from the main help, puts a big warning in the detailed help, and another big warning if you try to use it |
| [16:05:21] | sphery: | I say let's remove them and then just fix the new ones if they don't work :) |
| [16:06:10] | sphery: | again, I'm a firm believer that all "deprecated" does is delay the pain--most users won't notice--let alone do anything about-a message that says they should use a different argument if their scripts still work |
| [16:06:20] | sphery: | so only way to get them to update scripts is to break the old scripts |
| [16:06:29] | ** sphery is a "rip the band-aid off" kind of guty ** | |
| [16:06:32] | sphery: | guy, even |
| [16:07:37] | sphery: | anyway, it's not a big deal--just thought it might be something I could help with if I get some of my "must have" changes finished |
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| [16:09:54] | sphery: | oops, forgot my refs |
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| [16:25:22] | wagnerrp: | sphery: so that little patch does everything it promises? |
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| [16:33:59] | sphery: | hehe, seems to :) |
| [16:34:16] | sphery: | then again, I don't know my player code, so I'm relying heavily on hearsay |
| [16:34:44] | sphery: | but the description makes sense and taylorr and markk liked it |
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| [18:10:54] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: that guy really likes opening old threads |
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| [18:14:05] | johnf1911: | hmm, reading my scrollback hasn't enlightened me much about your discussion |
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| [18:14:11] | wagnerrp: | ? |
| [18:14:33] | johnf1911: | myth has some degree of CAM support? |
| [18:14:44] | wagnerrp: | yes, hardware CAMs only |
| [18:14:51] | johnf1911: | most interesting |
| [18:15:01] | johnf1911: | like the new hdhomerun box |
| [18:15:05] | johnf1911: | ? |
| [18:15:16] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [18:15:21] | johnf1911: | not that we can get any of that stuff in canada :( |
| [18:15:31] | johnf1911: | so my interest is more theoretical than anything else |
| [18:15:45] | wagnerrp: | mythtv has support for the HDHomeRun Prime (and has had it since the april before last), but CAMs are something different |
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| [18:15:49] | johnf1911: | some day perhaps we'll have some kind of cablecard type thing |
| [18:16:03] | wagnerrp: | CAMs are something actually built into the DVB specification |
| [18:16:17] | wagnerrp: | like how US digital cable has cablecards, DVB has CAM |
| [18:16:18] | wagnerrp: | s |
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| [18:16:35] | johnf1911: | yeah, some of them are quite locked though, right? |
| [18:16:38] | wagnerrp: | you have a decryption module that has all the crypto hardware |
| [18:16:44] | wagnerrp: | and then you have a smart card that contains the keys |
| [18:16:52] | johnf1911: | I think my friend in switzerlands card could only be used in the providers STB |
| [18:16:57] | wagnerrp: | your buy the CAM, your cable/satellite provide provides the smartcard |
| [18:17:14] | wagnerrp: | *you, *provider |
| [18:17:41] | johnf1911: | the discussion above seemed to be about new support for something, and feature removal associated with it? |
| [18:17:51] | johnf1911: | anyways, I wanted to ask you wagnerrp |
| [18:17:58] | wagnerrp: | for encrypted channels, mythtv tells the tuner card it wants decryption, the tuner card passes the signal through the CAM, it gets decrypted, and tuner card passes unencrypted content back out to mythtv |
| [18:18:03] | johnf1911: | what your final solution was for handling x264 stuff? |
| [18:18:12] | johnf1911: | if you had something |
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| [18:18:28] | johnf1911: | would really like to export stuff out of myth |
| [18:18:36] | johnf1911: | my HandBrake stuff didn't work out so well though :( |
| [18:18:39] | wagnerrp: | i gave up, and just keep everything in mpeg2 |
| [18:18:45] | johnf1911: | I have the segment files |
| [18:18:49] | wagnerrp: | i dont bother transcoding anything these days |
| [18:18:51] | wagnerrp: | segment files? |
| [18:18:55] | johnf1911: | but merging them didn't work out so well |
| [18:19:03] | johnf1911: | yes, I too the cutlist from mythcommflag |
| [18:19:06] | johnf1911: | took |
| [18:19:15] | wagnerrp: | oh, are you talking about the HDPVR clipping? |
| [18:19:24] | johnf1911: | and fed it into HandBrake, transcoding each section of the program |
| [18:19:24] | johnf1911: | yes |
| [18:19:36] | johnf1911: | so now I have a bunch of files, and needed to stick them together |
| [18:19:43] | johnf1911: | but that did /not/ go so well |
| [18:19:49] | wagnerrp: | the original recordings are TS files |
| [18:19:51] | johnf1911: | mkvmerge will stick the files together all right |
| [18:20:01] | wagnerrp: | meaning you can just concatenate them directly together |
| [18:20:13] | wagnerrp: | the problem is the time codes are wrong |
| [18:20:21] | wagnerrp: | and i never found anything that could reliably fix the time codes |
| [18:20:25] | johnf1911: | well, I'd need a way to cut them out too |
| [18:20:28] | johnf1911: | right? |
| [18:20:41] | wagnerrp: | cut what out? |
| [18:20:50] | johnf1911: | the segments of the TS that I'm interested in |
| [18:21:17] | johnf1911: | there are two basic approaches |
| [18:21:21] | wagnerrp: | the byte locations of the keyframes are stored in the database |
| [18:21:24] | johnf1911: | the better one, and the one working for mpeg2 right now |
| [18:21:31] | wagnerrp: | i was just blindly cutting at the keyframe locations |
| [18:21:37] | wagnerrp: | using simple binary IO in python |
| [18:21:44] | johnf1911: | hmm, I see |
| [18:21:58] | johnf1911: | anyways, with mpeg2 we can cut, rebuild the sections between keyframes |
| [18:21:59] | wagnerrp: | i hit a commercial, i find the nearest keyframe inside, and skip over |
| [18:22:01] | johnf1911: | and have it all frame perfect |
| [18:22:06] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [18:22:10] | wagnerrp: | exactly what i was doing |
| [18:22:27] | johnf1911: | with HD-PVR H264 recordings we have no such capatbilities |
| [18:22:30] | wagnerrp: | meaning you end up with a couple frames of commercial on either side that should have been cut out |
| [18:22:39] | wagnerrp: | yes, with HDPVR recordings, you can do exactly the same thing |
| [18:22:45] | wagnerrp: | thats a function of TS files, not of the codec |
| [18:22:55] | johnf1911: | what I tried/am trying was taking HandBrake |
| [18:23:02] | johnf1911: | transcoding the desired segments into new files |
| [18:23:09] | wagnerrp: | the problem is that TS files have a continuous timestamp within the files |
| [18:23:10] | johnf1911: | (also allowing things like ivtc and that) |
| [18:23:17] | wagnerrp: | so if you chop out chunks of data |
| [18:23:21] | wagnerrp: | now you have a gap in the timestamps |
| [18:23:24] | johnf1911: | I wanted to merge the files |
| [18:23:25] | wagnerrp: | and you need to fix the timestamps |
| [18:23:29] | johnf1911: | and that didn't go so well |
| [18:23:41] | wagnerrp: | i got everything but figuring out a way to repair the timestamps |
| [18:23:52] | johnf1911: | frame perfect, or nearest keyframe? |
| [18:23:58] | wagnerrp: | nearest keyframe |
| [18:24:10] | johnf1911: | how hard could this timestamp repair / segment re-encoding stuff really be |
| [18:24:15] | wagnerrp: | and then i would fix the cutlist so mythtv would automatically skip over those extra couple frames |
| [18:24:20] | wagnerrp: | you would be surprised |
| [18:24:20] | johnf1911: | I wonder if I could pay someone to do it, on odesk |
| [18:24:24] | johnf1911: | or similar |
| [18:24:34] | wagnerrp: | ffmpeg /should/ be able to do it |
| [18:24:40] | wagnerrp: | i just never figured out the proper command line to do so |
| [18:24:47] | johnf1911: | hmm |
| [18:24:49] | wagnerrp: | thats not true |
| [18:24:54] | wagnerrp: | i did find one command line |
| [18:24:56] | johnf1911: | well it certainly didn't handle merging my files that well :) |
| [18:25:05] | wagnerrp: | but then in newer versions of ffmpeg, that command line changed and no longer worked |
| [18:25:40] | johnf1911: | hmm |
| [18:25:49] | johnf1911: | do you have the command line you were using by any chance? |
| [18:27:42] | wagnerrp: | http://pastebin.com/9JU1W7T0 |
| [18:28:02] | wagnerrp: | that bottom one worked on some machines, not on others |
| [18:28:56] | wagnerrp: | i kicked what i had of the script over to stua rtm a couple months back, dont know if hes done anything with it |
| [18:29:13] | wagnerrp: | bei rdo fixed the problems i was having in mythtranscode earlier this year |
| [18:29:19] | johnf1911: | oh? |
| [18:29:22] | wagnerrp: | so i simply havent had the motivation to fix things properly |
| [18:29:33] | johnf1911: | mythtranscode didn't seem to do so well with HD-PVR recordings |
| [18:29:37] | wagnerrp: | issues where mythtranscode was seizing up on some mpeg2 files |
| [18:29:41] | wagnerrp: | i dont have an hdpvr |
| [18:29:44] | johnf1911: | right |
| [18:30:02] | sphery: | Q: "How do I bring up the action menu in Watch Recordings?" A: "Well, which UI theme are you using? For MythCenter-wide, you hit RIGHT with the recording selected, but that doesn't work in MythCenter. For ... Or, I suppose you can use it like it was designed and hit SELECT, but that's so slow..." |
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| [18:31:04] | johnf1911: | interestingly, handbrake disagrees with mythtv on frame counts |
| [18:31:07] | johnf1911: | by a few frames |
| [18:31:17] | johnf1911: | over a ten minute span it's maybe 6 frames or something |
| [18:31:51] | johnf1911: | if I ever get something with HandBrake working well I'll document and share it |
| [18:32:00] | johnf1911: | though cutting, rather than transcoding, would really be preferred :( |
| [18:33:49] | DjMadness: | where are the init scripts in the git version btw ? |
| [18:34:15] | wagnerrp: | ideally, someone who knows what theyre doing with video codecs would write up a library like replex but for h264 |
| [18:34:32] | wagnerrp: | so we could do lossless cuts natively, and backfill with keyframes |
| [18:34:54] | wagnerrp: | anyone familiar with the x264 folks? |
| [18:35:03] | sphery: | ideally, someone who knows what they're doing with video codecs would decide to replace or maintain replex |
| [18:35:11] | sphery: | (i.e. replex is dead... long live replex) |
| [18:35:16] | johnf1911: | it has it's own issues? |
| [18:35:25] | johnf1911: | it worked very well for me in the distant past |
| [18:35:25] | wagnerrp: | it has been abandoned |
| [18:35:38] | wagnerrp: | for open source projects, thats a pretty big issue |
| [18:35:46] | sphery: | yeah, many distros are patching it independently, but there's no real project for it, now |
| [18:36:03] | sphery: | same may happen with the time zone database, now |
| [18:36:14] | sphery: | though some--like Debian--may have to completely replace it |
| [18:36:24] | johnf1911: | oh, this I hadn't heard about |
| [18:36:53] | ** sphery hopes the Olsen case goes to trial in court so that the copyright troll's claims can be nullified ** | |
| [18:37:05] | sphery: | and I'm even willing to donate money to support Olsen in the trial |
| [18:37:51] | ** sid3windr too ** | |
| [18:37:51] | ** Beirdo yawns ** | |
| [18:37:52] | sphery: | anyway, the home page of replex and many other (critical) tools for dvb and MPEG-2 is: http://www.metzlerbros.org/dvb/index.html |
| [18:38:18] | johnf1911: | nice 404 :( |
| [18:38:22] | sphery: | exactly :) |
| [18:38:38] | johnf1911: | I assumed that was your intent |
| [18:38:39] | sphery: | the Metzler brothers lost interest in maintaining it, and no one has picked it up |
| [18:38:45] | ** wagnerrp hopes the Olsen case goes to trial, so the copyright trolls can be burned at the stake for witchcra^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H astrology ** | |
| [18:38:52] | johnf1911: | lol |
| [18:38:56] | sphery: | wagnerrp: hehe, that would be even better |
| [18:39:06] | johnf1911: | here's a commercial windows product that does it |
| [18:39:14] | johnf1911: | http://www.fame-ring.com/sk/cutting.a.ts.file.html |
| [18:39:35] | ** wagnerrp proposes the trial be held in massachusetts ** | |
| [18:42:25] | wagnerrp: | heres one |
| [18:42:39] | wagnerrp: | the only organ in your body that needs oxygen to survive is your brain |
| [18:42:53] | wagnerrp: | everything else can operate anaerobically for extended periods |
| [18:43:10] | wagnerrp: | so, dunk them in water, keep them there for a while |
| [18:43:31] | wagnerrp: | if they survive, then there is clearly no brain activity, and they cannot be right about holding the copyright over that data |
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| [18:44:39] | sphery: | wagnerrp: well, Astrolabe, Inc., is a Brewster, MA company, so maybe they will hold the trial there... |
| [18:44:53] | sphery: | maybe they'll get the Salem district court... |
| [18:45:53] | sphery: | not to mention the fact that the data is data--and probably doesn't qualify as a copyrightable collection of data |
| [18:46:15] | sphery: | it's all facts, and there's nothing creative about the compilation |
| [18:47:03] | sphery: | and Olsen DB uses a completely different format for specification of those facts, so they can't even claim copyright violation over the representation |
| [18:47:48] | justinh: | speaking of annoying downtime.. are kernel.org et al back up properly yet? |
| [18:48:23] | justinh: | lazy arse. yes, it seems to be. kernel.org is anyway |
| [18:48:37] | sphery: | looks like the source and patch downloads go to kernel.org, now, too |
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| [18:48:53] | sphery: | ah, but give 404s |
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| [18:52:23] | justinh: | sigh |
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| [18:53:13] | justinh: | "will this be committed to truck?". Oh, is that how mythtv is being delivered these days? |
| [18:53:50] | wagnerrp: | where is that? |
| [18:54:37] | justinh: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . ge=last#last |
| [18:54:51] | sphery: | justinh: well, a truck has a /lot/ of bandwidth. |
| [18:55:07] | wagnerrp: | just awful latency |
| [18:55:11] | sphery: | hehe, yeah |
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| [19:05:56] | sphery: | hehe: EITCrawIdleStart |
| [19:06:19] | sphery: | I guess that's for those who can "stomach" using EIT |
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| [19:17:29] | lapion: | hello.. |
| [19:18:21] | ibm_machine: | hi |
| [19:18:53] | lapion: | whenever I try to configure my slave system, as soon as I try to go to any option, the whole xserver or gdm restarts |
| [19:19:48] | ibm_machine: | I just entered this channel because I'm currently trying to install myth for the first time... that said I have no clue how to help you. sorry |
| [19:20:34] | wagnerrp: | lapion: 0.24 or 0.25? |
| [19:22:07] | lapion: | 0.24 on a 64 bit system |
| [19:22:32] | wagnerrp: | try forcing it to use the qt painter |
| [19:22:36] | wagnerrp: | -O ThemePainter=qt |
| [19:23:15] | lapion: | the frontend works fine, and I set it for qt.. |
| [19:23:25] | lapion: | will try it with the theme |
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| [19:23:37] | wagnerrp: | AMD graphics? |
| [19:24:41] | lapion: | nvidia |
| [19:25:34] | lapion: | same thing |
| [19:25:39] | wagnerrp: | mythtv-setup isnt doing anything that should kill X on on an nvidia system |
| [19:25:44] | wagnerrp: | can you post some logs? |
| [19:26:17] | lapion: | in the main menu I have no problems as soon as I change from next xserver restarts |
| [19:29:20] | lapion: | fatal io error client killed |
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| [19:30:44] | lapion: | wagnerrp, fatal io error client killed |
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| [19:34:50] | lapion: | wagnerrp, as long as I only press enter ( select Next or Finish ) n problem |
| [19:35:09] | sphery: | wagnerrp: any ideas on http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10083 ? |
| [19:35:33] | wagnerrp: | ah, meant to look at that one but forgot |
| [19:36:10] | sphery: | just figured since you were working on that recently you might know what's going on |
| [19:36:18] | sphery: | thanks for looking, though |
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| [19:44:57] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [19:45:09] | wagnerrp: | when im manually adding to that value |
| [19:45:20] | wagnerrp: | it only works if something was set specifically to that value on the command line |
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| [19:47:30] | DjMadness: | i see some blueray settings in mythtv, can mythtv now play blueray movies or is it just a place holder ? |
| [19:47:39] | ** [R] points DjMadness to the wiki ** | |
| [19:47:45] | wagnerrp: | yes, no |
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| [19:48:52] | DjMadness: | wagnerrp: ah okeys, so still the old workaround that is on the ubuntu website i guess then |
| [19:49:10] | wagnerrp: | huh? |
| [19:49:18] | wagnerrp: | what old workaround? |
| [19:49:37] | lapion: | wagnerrp, the solution to the program is to remove nvidia driver.. |
| [19:49:40] | DjMadness: | to extract the movies to disk |
| [19:49:57] | wagnerrp: | "can mythtv now play bluray movies": yes |
| [19:49:58] | lapion: | actually more of a workaround.. |
| [19:50:03] | wagnerrp: | "is it just a place holder": no |
| [19:50:16] | DjMadness: | oh, thats nice :) |
| [19:51:55] | sphery: | note, though, that mythtv cannot decrypt blu-ray movies, so you need to install something that can if you're using encrypted blu-rays |
| [19:52:22] | wagnerrp: | mythtv will use libaacs if you have it |
| [19:52:30] | wagnerrp: | but that requires a properly maintained key database |
| [19:52:42] | wagnerrp: | and there have been no released group keys in almost two years |
| [19:52:45] | sphery: | right, but mythtv can't decrypt anything :) |
| [19:53:13] | sphery: | then again, maybe you can use your Ultraviolet discs |
| [19:53:27] | sphery: | (though I'd assume that the online version is encrypted, too) |
| [19:53:40] | DjMadness: | well the option is there, nothing more you guys can do :) can't add legal problems to the todo list :) |
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| [20:08:08] | lapion: | wagnerrp, The only message that appeared in the log upon crashing was : fatal io error client killed |
| [20:08:26] | wagnerrp: | those appeared... where? |
| [20:08:34] | wagnerrp: | did you log using ">" or using "--logfile"? |
| [20:08:52] | wagnerrp: | or were you running in a terminal external to the X server? |
| [20:09:13] | wagnerrp: | sphery: fixed |
| [20:11:33] | sphery: | wow, that was quick--you're making me look bad |
| [20:11:42] | wagnerrp: | to be fair, it was one line |
| [20:12:02] | wagnerrp: | although i lumped some other stuff in with it |
| [20:12:13] | sphery: | heh, but while you fixed it, I turned off my dev box and called it a day |
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| [20:12:37] | sphery: | (between cancelled volleyball game due to weather and a Noah-style storm, today, it seems much later than it is) |
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| [20:16:59] | bill6502: | sphery: Just built v0.25pre-3467-ga63fc04 and tested ubuntu's upstart /without/ exporting LANG and LC_ALL ... |
| [20:17:50] | bill6502: | sphery:But the error message comes back without it. Was the setlocale intended to fix that case? |
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| [20:18:52] | sphery: | bill6502: what do you get when you run locale in a terminal (to pastebin, please) |
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| [20:21:15] | bill6502: | sphery: locale output: http://pastebin.com/q01Cb1sh |
| [20:24:37] | sphery: | then I'm guessing in the environment used by the init script it hasn't set the locale at all.... can you put the following lines in your start script and see what they output: locale; echo "LC_ALL: $LC_ALL , LC_CTYPE: $LC_CTYPE , LANG: $LANG" |
| [20:25:02] | sphery: | or upstart's environment or whatever it uses |
| [20:25:30] | lapion: | wagnerrp, no I was running setup from commandline |
| [20:25:53] | wagnerrp: | so if the X server crashed, how were you getting that log? |
| [20:25:59] | sphery: | you may still have to set the vars to set the locale--that change was just because Ubuntu doesn't necessarily set the variables, even when setlocale() returns an appropriate locale/encoding |
| [20:26:32] | lapion: | wagnerrp, when running from a vt.. |
| [20:27:58] | bill6502: | sphery: LC_ALL: , LC_CTYPE: , LANG: |
| [20:28:29] | sphery: | and nothing from the locale output? |
| [20:28:41] | sphery: | at least nothing with UTF-8 in it |
| [20:28:59] | sphery: | (the locale output from the call in the start script) |
| [20:29:22] | bill6502: | sphery: brb |
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| [20:30:42] | clydefrog: | hello mythtv-users |
| [20:32:00] | lapion: | wagnerrp, I started from tty1: DISPLAY=:0.0 mythtv-setup |
| [20:32:23] | wagnerrp: | so a terminal external to the X server |
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| [20:33:54] | bill6502: | sphery: locale and echo from upstart (mythtv-backend.conf) at http://pastebin.com/uYKQLHRr |
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| [20:34:03] | clydefrog: | Having an issue with the sa4250_ch_guid script. |
| [20:34:29] | sphery: | bill6502: yeah, seems it still has to be set in the script since it's not set in that environment |
| [20:34:46] | clydefrog: | 1: /bin: Permission denied |
| [20:34:54] | sphery: | thanks for the testing, though... will make it easier to help people configure it |
| [20:34:56] | clydefrog: | 46: Desktop: not found |
| [20:35:07] | sphery: | didn't you do modifications to the start script for it? is there a ticket or something? |
| [20:35:18] | clydefrog: | 121: Syntax error: Unterminated quoted string |
| [20:36:17] | clydefrog: | 121: Syntax error: Unterminated quoted string |
| [20:36:23] | bill6502: | sphery: Thank you. I'm going to update the wiki just a tad to get the locale from /etc/default/locale rather than 'hard coding it'. |
| [20:36:35] | lapion: | wagnerrp, yes eg. CTRL-ALT-F1 |
| [20:36:46] | bill6502: | that may be where you noticed my recommendation. |
| [20:37:06] | sphery: | ah, cool |
| [20:37:24] | sphery: | thanks for updating it... |
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| [20:47:05] | clydefrog: | getting "/usr/local/bin/sa4250_ch: 1: /bin: Permission denied" "/usr/local/bin/sa4250_ch: 46: Desktop: not found" and "/usr/local/bin/sa4250_ch: 121: Syntax error: Unterminated quoted string" when running "/usr/local/bin/sa4250_ch_guid MySTBGUID 47". Any help would be appreciated. |
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| [20:47:56] | wagnerrp: | clydefrog: are you trying to run that text file directly? |
| [20:48:18] | clydefrog: | from the terminal, yes |
| [20:48:38] | wagnerrp: | but... the text file |
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| [20:49:14] | clydefrog: | i used gcc -o |
| [20:49:55] | clydefrog: | gcc -o sa4250_ch sa4250_ch.c -lrom1394 -lavc1394 -lraw1394 |
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| [21:04:09] | justinh: | HAHAHAHA. Best linuxMCE demo. Evah? |
| [21:04:19] | wagnerrp: | ? |
| [21:05:36] | justinh: | another users ML corker |
| [21:05:45] | justinh: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FudYQ5NLb78 |
| [21:05:59] | justinh: | if my house looked like that I'd kill myself, let alone video it |
| [21:06:07] | wagnerrp: | our mailing list? i dont see it |
| [21:06:12] | wagnerrp: | what thread? |
| [21:06:26] | justinh: | 'big mythtv system' |
| [21:08:08] | wagnerrp: | if where supposed to hear him, why is he playing music? |
| [21:08:21] | justinh: | Hell, I always vacuum the livingroom floor if I'm gonna be taking photos. that house is a **** tip |
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| [21:08:40] | justinh: | if I was him I would be cleaning up & decorating before I bother installing AV gear. Heh |
| [21:08:56] | wagnerrp: | not a fan of the pretentious nudes on the wall? |
| [21:09:28] | justinh: | that isn't what I mean when I say the house is dirty |
| [21:09:33] | wagnerrp: | open wall sockets all over the place |
| [21:09:42] | wagnerrp: | AV equipment on the floor |
| [21:10:25] | wagnerrp: | he keeps calling that thing his "core" |
| [21:10:31] | wagnerrp: | is that what linuxmce calls the master backend/ |
| [21:10:37] | justinh: | yeah I think so |
| [21:10:39] | nickralph: | hi short question I have an issue with audio alternating between 5.1 and 2 channel, essentially i start my recordings a few mins before the show and if i catch a 2ch announcement or ad then mythtv does not play the audio in the main 5.1 programm anymore |
| [21:10:47] | justinh: | and if that's what they call a UI I think I'll pass :) |
| [21:11:09] | justinh: | nickralph: freeview HD eh |
| [21:11:26] | nickralph: | yes justinh |
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| [21:11:44] | justinh: | nickralph: a fix has been put into master & even backported to -fixes |
| [21:12:07] | justinh: | or was it backported – or did JYA just put it in his own branch? anyhoo... |
| [21:12:15] | nickralph: | hmm I use the mythbuntu 0.24 repo so I usually get fixes |
| [21:12:50] | wagnerrp: | so im looking at this thread, and im just not seeing any links in it |
| [21:12:52] | nickralph: | so might be in jya ? |
| [21:13:10] | justinh: | nickralph: yeah. see the freeviewHD audio thread on mythtv-users (the mailing list) |
| [21:13:12] | wagnerrp: | i dont think jya like things being put in him |
| [21:13:17] | nickralph: | ok |
| [21:13:33] | nickralph: | let me check will drop back if I need any help |
| [21:13:35] | nickralph: | thx |
| [21:13:59] | justinh: | wagnerrp: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/487282 ... richard E morton's mail |
| [21:14:13] | clydefrog: | okay, went over everything again with the sa4250_ch.c script. I am now getting "Could not find SA42XXHD on the 1394 bus! Try running again with -v and check source code for matching Vendor ID and Model ID- Add if necessary and recompile" What am I doing wrong guys? |
| [21:14:41] | wagnerrp: | oh, youre talking about the original run back in july |
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| [21:15:17] | justinh: | I just view it as threads on gossamer |
| [21:15:28] | wagnerrp: | justinh: i view those as two wholly independent threads |
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| [21:24:34] | nickralph: | fyi justinh there was another thread on mythtv-users just now with more fixes |
| [21:24:53] | nickralph: | so will just have to search if I already have the right fixes |
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| [21:32:40] | clydefrog: | any ideas? |
| [21:42:30] | AndyCap: | Uh, what? "DLNA can give much better picture quality than any Myth frontend," |
| [21:44:27] | sphery: | From: User <mythtv@marketing.dlna.org > |
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| [21:50:18] | nickralph: | hi jya justinh pointed me your way wrt to an issue of switching audio feeds on bbc freeview hd and mythtv not being able to pickup the correct audio, to be quite open I do not feel overly confident on applying patches, have the patches talked about in the users mailing list in june worked ? and in what repo could I find them |
| [21:52:18] | stuartm: | the BBC create a lot of work for everyone by not using the same streams for Freeview as those used for Freesat :/ |
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| [23:40:56] | mattwj2002: | hi all |
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