Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, October 6th, 2011, 00:00 UTC

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jm|laptop:

:(

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TheAsp:

woot!

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TheAsp:

it recorded something

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TheAsp:

but then things went to hell when the scheduled recording didnt start recording

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hoolio:

http://www.apple.com/

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iamlindoro:

Hooray, local CBS has removed the broadcast flag

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TheAsp:

Whats the process for submitting a patch? File a ticket with the patch attached?

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iamlindoro:

generally speaking, yes

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TheAsp:

sweet.

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TheAsp:

it looks like the *recorder stuff was factored recently, but firewirerecorder wasn't. is that planned to happen to fw as well?

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TheAsp:

(stupid cat infront of monitor, cant see what i'm typing)

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TheAsp:

wow, it all came out good

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TheAsp:

err. refactored

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jpabq:

Steve Jobs has died.

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wagnerrp:

what is this... like the fifth time this has happened?

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jpabq:

Heh, sorry.

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wagnerrp:

no, i mean every couple months for a year, there has been a rumor floating around the internet that he has died

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clever:

wagnerrp: its on the apple site this time, enless they are playing a practical joke on us, its real

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i saw this one was legitimate

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wagnerrp:

just referring to the multiple previous hoaxes

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

dont trust everything you see on the web

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sphery:

jm|laptop: didn't read much around the comment, but if you were talking about upgrading the database to master, I have a feeling the prepared statement errors you saw were unrelated to the failure to upgrade the db and were actually harmless... In the DB-code rework, my code that prevented the db logger from logging to the db until the db table was created got removed/borked, and I just haven't had a chance to fix it.

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sphery:

in spite of all the errors you get, the upgrade will succeed... only failure to upgrade I know about right now is actually due to borked system configuration using ext4 on the file system with the mysql data--which makes db performance terrible

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sphery:

it will actually finish, eventually, but may be many hours (10's of hours) of (mostly idle) work or whatever

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sphery:

so the "fix" is don't use ext4 on mysql data file system

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jm|laptop:

sphery: thanks for your reply! After much Googling I found that it was because I had once upon a time used a very old version of mythvideo

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jm|laptop:

before two plugins became one

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wagnerrp:

and then became none

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jm|laptop:

it was a matter of removing some tables and updating a schemata table

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sphery:

I hope you did that to the 0.24 schema /before/ any part of the DB upgrade

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jm|laptop:

I think I did

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jm|laptop:

the mythtv-setup script bombed as designed

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sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/487783#487783 being the why

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sphery:

if mythvideo works, now, you did it right

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wagnerrp:

mythtv-setup script?

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sphery:

if not, clean up will be a mess

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jm|laptop:

sphery: actually I don't use mythvideo

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wagnerrp:

thats good, because it doesnt exist any longer

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sphery:

well, do you at least have mythvideo tables? mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "SHOW TABLES LIKE 'video%';"

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hoolio:

wagnerrp, how are we supposed to refer to mythvideo now?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv

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wagnerrp:

or mythfrontend

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wagnerrp:

or 'videos' i suppose

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jm|laptop:

10 tables

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sphery:

ok, you're probably good

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jm|laptop:

yay

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sphery:

even if you don't use it, if you were missing tables, it would just mean that you'd have failures some other day

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sphery:

(i.e. when we do database upgrades in the future)

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hoolio:

is there any significant usability difference?

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wagnerrp:

none at all

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hoolio:

okay

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sphery:

but merging it allowed using code/data from mythvideo in tv and other parts of mythfrontend

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hoolio:

okay

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wagnerrp:

sphery: oh?

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hoolio:

any hope of getting watchlists etc on video content?

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wagnerrp:

hoolio: you can filter by 'watched'

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wagnerrp:

or you can order by insertion date

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sphery:

wagnerrp: btw, great smbc... I've gotten behind on my comics (too busy with work), so I hadn't seen that one, yet

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sphery:

I've been saying that I get USB plugged in on the first try <50% of the time for a couple years, now--but I never knew it was because of 4D space

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jm|laptop:

I like jya

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jm|laptop:

he has afforded me marital discord

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jm|laptop:

no wait

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jm|laptop:

s/dicord/concord/

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jm|laptop:

that'll "learn" me to be clever :|

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jm|laptop:

and typos are allowed at 3am after this much wine

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TheAsp:

YEAH!

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TheAsp:

it does work

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TheAsp:

it was only livetv suckage earlier

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** TheAsp high-five's wagnerrp while he isn't looking **

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wagnerrp:

any idea why the previous recording you tried didnt work?

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TheAsp:

You mean the one that failed like 2 hours ago? i think i didn't answer the "do you want to record your scheduled show" question fast enough

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TheAsp:

or something

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TheAsp:

and everything got jacked

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TheAsp:

livetv on fw is iffy for me

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TheAsp:

but the reason it didn't work earlier today was it was only looking for mpeg2 keyframes

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TheAsp:

copied the mpeg4 out of the hdhr code and it worked

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TheAsp:

i'll put it in a ticket tomorrow

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jm|laptop:

TheAsp was annoying in Elite

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jm|laptop:

and always travelled with friends

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jm|laptop:

bah.

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TheAsp:

?

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jm|laptop:

http://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Asp_%28Classic%29

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wagnerrp:

oh, right... the HDHR can use mpeg4 in DVB-T countries

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wagnerrp:

forgot about that

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TheAsp:

oh

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TheAsp:

hah

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TheAsp:

thanks for making me feel old

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wagnerrp:

elite was long before my time

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TheAsp:

wagnerrp: well, it was in the dvb code too... looks like one was coped from the other

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TheAsp:

Is there a better way to prevent recordings on channels other than deleting it? :)

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wagnerrp:

deleting the other channels?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, if you dont want to record on them, delete or hide them

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TheAsp:

hiding doesn't seem to help

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jm|laptop:

visible=0

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TheAsp:

still schedules on them

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TheAsp:

i'm just undoing deletions now that I have my channels back ;)

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wagnerrp:

GreyFoxx: you might be interested in that ^^^^

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wagnerrp:

!seen GreyFoxx

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MythLogBot:

GreyFoxx is here and has been idle for 6 days 13 hours 24 minutes 39 seconds

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TheAsp:

died waiting ;)

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wagnerrp:

lurker...

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wagnerrp:

:)

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TheAsp:

grr

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TheAsp:

distclean isn't really distclean

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TheAsp:

nice.

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TheAsp:

http://complete.wasteland.org/~asp/firewire-h264.patch

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TheAsp:

anyway

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TheAsp:

bedtime

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jm|laptop:

hm

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jm|laptop:

Did I mention what a hoopy frood jya is?

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jm|laptop:

He's a guy who really knows where his towel is.

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jya:

you should go to bed ...

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jm|laptop:

yes, sir.

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sphery:

hehe

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jm|laptop:

I'll just rebuild this frontend

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wagnerrp:

speaking of which, i should finish that up myself

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jm|laptop:

jya: you've totally made my week

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jm|laptop:

A+++ would receive patches again

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jm|laptop:

and other such hyperbole

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wagnerrp:

you mean... he didnt send you a bobcat?

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wagnerrp:

http://xkcd.com/325

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jm|laptop:

hehe

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jm|laptop:

Thu Oct 6 04:01:58 BST 2011

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jm|laptop:

I should go to bed

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wagnerrp:

nonsense

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wagnerrp:

the day is just beginning

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wagnerrp:

get some coffee

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jm|laptop:

thanks again, jya. I shall tell my ancestors tales of your leetness

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jm|laptop:

"and lo did He make AAC not be so weird"

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wagnerrp:

well.. he only knows all that about the audio subsystem because he rewrote most of the thing a version or two back

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iamlindoro:

Your ancestors are dead, you should probably tell your descendants instead

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jm|laptop:

"you kids with your inter-cranial interfaces. Don't know you're born"

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iamlindoro:

Though this is getting weird and creepy enough that you might indeed speak with your ancestors

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jm|laptop:

iamlindoro: crap.

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jpabq:

Beirdo, what is the status of your HD-PVR reset gadget? All of a sudden I have been having an occasional issue.

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jm|laptop:

shows how much it is time for bed when I keep saying the opposite of what I mean

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jm|laptop:

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jm|laptop:

iamlindoro: I could take a dream-quest

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** wagnerrp wonders why lxml is in the 'devel' folder and not 'textproc' **

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Beirdo:

jpabq: I have parts to make a pile more

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Beirdo:

actually, I should probably make a few this weekend to have some built on hand

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Beirdo:

it works pretty well for me other than the times that the USB port decides to misbehave as well :)

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taylorr:

Beirdo: do you have to splice the HD-PVR power cable for your design?

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Beirdo:

nope

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Beirdo:

the HDPVR cable plugs into it, and then it has a cable to plug into the HDPVR

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jpabq:

Beirdo, cool. Might be interesting to integrate into Myth, such that when mpegrecorder starts spitting out "temporarily unavailable" messages, that Myth can trigger a restart of the HD-PVR.

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Beirdo:

I have it triggering from the recording started and recording ended events

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Beirdo:

(recording ended so it can cancel the reset if the recording was cancelled early)

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Beirdo:

basically, if the file is 0 bytes and not growing for a minute or so, then I power cycle it and fail the recording

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jpabq:

How much do you want for a pair?

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wagnerrp:

each only has one relay?

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taylorr:

Beirdo: you should add official support to MythTV, then you'd sell enough to live off the income

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

it has one relay on it, yes

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wagnerrp:

... for three whole days

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taylorr:

jpabq: so you believe you detect most failures with the HD-PVR?

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taylorr:

one failure for me is no audio... everything else looks great

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Beirdo:

the parts come up to just under $20/board, believe it or not :)

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wagnerrp:

taylorr: you know much about wmv3/vc-1?

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taylorr:

not really

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wagnerrp:

user complaining about problems playing it, mplayer works fine, mythtv reports all sorts of jerkiness and a/v sync issues

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wagnerrp:

but mplayer -identify listed the video as 1000fps

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wagnerrp:

wondering if that could cause the observed problems

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hoolio:

what do you guys feel will have been the legacy of Steve Jobs

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taylorr:

wagnerrp: get logs with -v playback,timestamp,extra and I'll look at them

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hoolio:

?

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jpabq:

taylorr, I wrote a patch a while back, that tags a recording to auto re-record, if it has to re-"start encoding" in the middle of the recording. It still continues recording (in case it is a sporting event), but if the show is on again, it will re-record it. While it works, it was not the best implementation, and I have never gotten around to doing it right, so have not committed it.

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hoolio:

I'm at odds with members of a list who seem to all be capitalists..

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wagnerrp:

hoolio: 'walled garden' computing

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jpabq:

Beirdo, so how much are you charging including labor? Do you take paypal?

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taylorr:

jpabq: that sounds really cool, the re-start recording in the middle of a show is annoying

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jpabq:

taylorr, yeah, I should make the time to implement that correctly.

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hoolio:

wagnerrp, care to elaborate?

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taylorr:

do you ever get no audio for a recording? TBH, I can't be for sure it wasn't broadcast that way... but given the track record with the HD-PVR I usually just blame it

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wagnerrp:

our hardware, our operating system, our approved applications

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Beirdo:

jpabq: yah, I do take paypal.

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wagnerrp:

it means you can provide a consistent and reliable platform, at the expense that users and developers are completely at the whim of what apple wants to allow

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jpabq:

taylorr, not if I have at least a two second sleep at the end of my channel change script. If I try to skimp on that sleep, then I get the random recording without playable audio --- Myth seems to think it is AAC but won't play it.

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DeviceZer0:

Hello all. Is it possible in the power rules to do something like "record <blah> except if <blah> contains <foo>" for example the show "sons of anarchy" has weird "Three-Minuet-Replays" that mythtv thinks are the show and records...Id like to not record them.

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wagnerrp:

DeviceZer0: power rules are limited only by your SQL query creativity

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DeviceZer0:

the current power rule is like: program.title = 'Sons of Anarchy' AND program.previouslyshown = 0

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Beirdo:

jpabq: gotcha in PM

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DeviceZer0:

wagnerrp, yea. Unfortunately I'm not very familiar with sql

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taylorr:

jpabq: does it play with no sound or not play at all?

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DeviceZer0:

I was thinking something like "program.title = 'Sons of Anarchy' AND !program.title = 'Sons of Anarchy' AND"

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DeviceZer0:

but I dont know enough about sql.

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jpabq:

"program.title = 'Sons of Anarchy' AND program.title not like '%replay' ..."

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wagnerrp:

try 'program.title != ...'

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wagnerrp:

or what jpabq listed

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DeviceZer0:

DOH

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DeviceZer0:

yea

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DeviceZer0:

I'm not thinking right...the ! is in the wrong spot

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DeviceZer0:

..long day

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DeviceZer0:

thanks jpabq and wagnerrp :)

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wagnerrp:

can power rules affect other rules?

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wagnerrp:

or are they all isolated by OR statements

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wagnerrp:

like... FX likes to do those replays for a lot of their shows

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DeviceZer0:

hmm. is there a seperate column?? for the show episode anme

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wagnerrp:

could you do one rule to force them to never be recorded

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DeviceZer0:

the replays are the show episode name iirc.

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wagnerrp:

episode name is subtitle

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DeviceZer0:

program.subtitle

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DeviceZer0:

i assume

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DeviceZer0:

hmm...still wants to record it. I think ill need to use jpabq's way

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DeviceZer0:

i tried !=...but iirc that doesnt work the same as like

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DeviceZer0:

yup. bingo!

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DeviceZer0:

program.title = 'Sons of Anarchy' AND program.subtitle NOT LIKE '%Three-Minute-Replay%' AND program.previouslyshown = 0

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wagnerrp:

no, logical operators require an exact match

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DeviceZer0:

thanks again guys :)

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wagnerrp:

'like' allows partial and case insensitive matches

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DeviceZer0:

yea

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wagnerrp:

% being a wildcard character

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DeviceZer0:

I knew one or the other was like that...but my sql experience is limited and i havent worked with it in almost a year

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DeviceZer0:

yea

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DeviceZer0:

the subtitles are like "<LAST EPISODE NAME>: Three-Minuet-Replay"...i suppose i dont need the last %...but i think think any show will be <something>three-minuet-replay<something>

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** iamlindoro is waiting to see how many times in a row DeviceZer0 can misspell Minute **

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iamlindoro:

I count five so far

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DeviceZer0:

lol

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DeviceZer0:

sorry. long long day

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DeviceZer0:

brain is frizzle fried.

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Chwoka:

hey, is it impossible to make a diy dvr with digital comcast or just really really hard? google isn't giving me anything resembling a striaght answer.

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DeviceZer0:

I think on that note its time for me to call it a day. Thanks again for the help.

[03:45:14]

DeviceZer0:

I had Chwoka

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DeviceZer0:

but now have FIOS

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DeviceZer0:

hdpvr + mythtv + comcast = win.

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wagnerrp:

Chwoka: pick up a HDHomeRun Prime, and you can record just about anything but the premium channels

[03:45:36]

wagnerrp:

no, no hdpvr

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Chwoka:

i don't have premium channels or hd, so i don't care about that.

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DeviceZer0:

the prime cannot record anything premium or anything flagged as no copy or w/e right?

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wagnerrp:

DeviceZer0: correct, and for most comcast users, the only things that will be flagged will be the premium stuff

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DeviceZer0:

I had comcast and a hdhomerun and got very limited channels

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iamlindoro:

On Comcast, everything but HBO and the like is copy freely

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DeviceZer0:

Not for me

[03:46:43]

iamlindoro:

And you had a QAM HDHomeRun

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DeviceZer0:

Oh well

[03:46:45]

iamlindoro:

not a prime

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DeviceZer0:

yea

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Beirdo:

too many recordings... not nearly enough time

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wagnerrp:

the standard hdhomerun cannot handle encrypted content

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wagnerrp:

completely different

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DeviceZer0:

yea

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DeviceZer0:

I now see that.

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DeviceZer0:

I just dont like that they *could* make most everything copy never or w/e

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DeviceZer0:

Also...is there a list of what providers have marked? I know they had one for QAM

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iamlindoro:

And the rest of us like having three tuenrs and perfect digital copies of everything without two format shifts

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Chwoka:

so just by an hd homerun prime, set up mythtv, and i'm set

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Chwoka:

?

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iamlindoro:

Chwoka: Extremely simplified, but yes, that's basically right... HDHomeRun Prime, get a cablecard from Comcast, get it properly activated, install mythtv, and yes, you're basically set

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DeviceZer0:

iamlindoro, whats a format shift? like reencoding? ie hdpvr encoding to mpeg4?

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iamlindoro:

The decode on the STB, the analog output, the re-encode on the HD-PVR... all introduce a quality loss

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iamlindoro:

Versus getting everything off the prime bit-perfect off the line

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DeviceZer0:

ah. yea. so prime recordings are mpeg2?

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iamlindoro:

Prime recordings are whatever the provider broadcasts, but yes, that generally means MPEG-2

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Chwoka:

is there a monthly fee for the prime or cablecard or any of that

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DeviceZer0:

or w/e the provider is pumping out?(which iirc is mpeg2 TS or w/e). Forgive me if im wrong as I dont know alot about this stuff.

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iamlindoro:

which also means they're commercial cuttable without loss in mythtv, versus HD-PVR output

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iamlindoro:

Chwoka: the Prime is a single upfront cost, a cablecard generally runs about $1–2 per month

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DeviceZer0:

iamlindoro, how about program guide. Is that able to be pulled in from the prime?

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iamlindoro:

No, you continue to use schedules direct

[03:51:36]

iamlindoro:

But you don't deal with QAM channel mapping with the prime either

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DeviceZer0:

Is it theoretically possible?

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iamlindoro:

you get the regular, logical channel numbers like using a STB

[03:51:47]

iamlindoro:

no, it is not

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Chwoka:

what is QAM

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DeviceZer0:

I thought cablecards where able to receive listing data.

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iamlindoro:

QAM is the broadcast modulation for digital cable for digital

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iamlindoro:

DeviceZer0: You thought incorrectly

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DeviceZer0:

Oh well. HDPrimes do look cool

[03:52:24]

DeviceZer0:

maybe someday Ill get one.

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DeviceZer0:

iamlindoro, most likely then.

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iamlindoro:

Cablecard tuners receive a logical channel map, but that's it... which is what allows you to tune channel 123 instead of having to scan, or remember channel numbers like 78–14, and other such nonsense

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DeviceZer0:

ah. I think I was thinking like tivo and cable cards...and that it was getting guide data from the CC...

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iamlindoro:

And since you just pull in the channel map from Schedules Direct, all the XMLTV ids are prepopulated, so there's no matching up XMLTV ids with channels and other labor intensive downsides of a regular ClearQAM tuner

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iamlindoro:

No, Tivo with CableCard phones/downloads guide data like we do

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DeviceZer0:

but now that I'm thinking...I think tivos have a monthy/yearly cost that is part of the guide data

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DeviceZer0:

yea

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iamlindoro:

they just do it for 12x the price

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DeviceZer0:

my brain is FUBAR right now

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DeviceZer0:

So the prime can do 3 records at once?

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iamlindoro:

correct

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iamlindoro:

three tuners, three simultaneous recordings, all from a single cablecard

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DeviceZer0:

that aspect is very cool

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DeviceZer0:

will 3 simultaneous records saturate your lan?

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Chwoka:

so would i be able to watch that on any computer in the house, even those without mythtv

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DeviceZer0:

I *dont* have gigabit unfortunately :(

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iamlindoro:

A single max bitrate channel will be 18 or so megabit

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iamlindoro:

so 3 will be 54

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wagnerrp:

the only need for gigabit is if youre using it sans cablecard with multirec

[03:57:16]

iamlindoro:

That said, why do people always say "I don't have gigabit" as though it was something they couldn't fix for $30?

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DeviceZer0:

People are lazy(Guilty!) and dont like "fixing" things are not broke :)

[03:58:27]

wagnerrp:

that said, its surprising your 10/100 switch from 2004 hasnt broke yet

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DeviceZer0:

Well...the prime is looking cooler then I thought. I kinda wrote it off as being like the original and only able to record a few channels in mythtv.

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iamlindoro:

Especially as you're on FIOS

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Chwoka:

wow, thanks you guys. this is WAY easier than the various contradictory sources i got from google made it sound

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wagnerrp:

well, both cases depend entirely on your provider

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iamlindoro:

which also leaves everything copy-freely

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DeviceZer0:

I use thr fios supplied router

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wagnerrp:

and what the provider encrypts and copy protects

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DeviceZer0:

some actiontec

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Chwoka:

and cheaper, too

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iamlindoro:

Chwoka: Tell us how easy it is once you've got it set up ;)

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DeviceZer0:

FIOS was super awesome with firewire...I got *tons* more channels then with comcast

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iamlindoro:

It just sounds easy-- prepare to have to do some learning to make MythTV function as you want it to

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iamlindoro:

That said, if you do the legwork to learn rather than just trying to bust through it, you will be very satisfied

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DeviceZer0:

I wont be buying a prime in the next 6 months I dont think. Possibly in the future.

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Chwoka:

it sounds way easier, i said. not easy. easier.

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Chwoka:

google made it sound sisyphean or even literally impossible

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iamlindoro:

Those are generally the opinions of those who didn't do their research

[04:01:57]

iamlindoro:

bought a device which wasn't supported under linux, didn't research their provider, hoped to do everything with junk they found in their closet, etc.

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DeviceZer0:

Is it anything like setting up a OG hdhomerun(minus the channel mapping and so on?

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DeviceZer0:

Ie...support built into mythtv. Select "HD PRIME" from the list of cards

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iamlindoro:

It is exactly like setting up the original HDHR, quite literally

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DeviceZer0:

Cool

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iamlindoro:

It's not a different device type

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iamlindoro:

it's just the same HDHomeRun device type

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iamlindoro:

then you fetch channels from the listings source instead of scan, download guide data, and you are done

[04:03:26]

iamlindoro:

The whole setup should be under 5 minutes

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iamlindoro:

(to someone who knows what they're doing)

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DeviceZer0:

yea

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DeviceZer0:

thats pretty sweet...all this new hardware and its already supported.

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DeviceZer0:

that is another cool aspect of the hdhomerun stuff it seems

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iamlindoro:

It was supported a year before it came out

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DeviceZer0:

ah

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iamlindoro:

The SiliconDust CTO and founder is a MythTV user

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DeviceZer0:

ah very cool.

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DeviceZer0:

at least ya know he will give it a fighting battle to keep support

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iamlindoro:

keep support?

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DeviceZer0:

Well i meant figuratively if there was ever a decisional to change the way it works

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DeviceZer0:

he would be there to keep linux/mythtv in mind

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DeviceZer0:

someone on "our side'

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wagnerrp:

the library is cross platform

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wagnerrp:

there is little difficulty to continue linux support

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wagnerrp:

you would have to go out of your way to make it windows-only

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DeviceZer0:

yea. I know. But linux always seems to get the shaft.

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Chwoka:

unrelated question: how easy is it to get the mythtv content recorded on one computer to be accesable to the other computers on our home network that would not be running linux?

[04:09:25]

wagnerrp:

Chwoka: install the OSX/Windows version of the frontend

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Chwoka:

would you just have to set the recorded content in a public folder and install some video-laying software?

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DeviceZer0:

anyways. Im off. Thanks for the info :)

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Chwoka:

(-playing software, and on the other comps)

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wagnerrp:

or you could do that

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Chwoka:

okay, cool

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iamlindoro:

Chwoka: That's the beauty of MythTV versus Windows Media Center-- WMC telly you what you can do with the content-- in MythTV, you tell it what to do with the content

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iamlindoro:

MythTv includes a uPnP server, you can share out the recordings, you can edit them in Myth, you can copy them off and archive them to DVD, whatever

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Chwoka:

"telly" — mythtv even works in britlund, where you have to buy tv licenses, eh?

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wagnerrp:

although we would advise against archiving to dvd

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iamlindoro:

The main reason many of us choose MythTV is the ability to control where, when, and how you consume your media

[04:11:24]

iamlindoro:

a tv license isn't a POS sale

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iamlindoro:

it's a tax

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iamlindoro:

They pay it one way or another

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iamlindoro:

Their TV system is far more open than our own

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iamlindoro:

mythtv supports worldwide TV standards-- it's usable nearly anywhere

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Chwoka:

i know i was making a joke at your typo

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Chwoka:

telly = television

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Chwoka:

so is it hard to get cablecards from comcast

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wagnerrp:

they are required by law to rent you one

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iamlindoro:

What's hard is getting them to activate it properly over the phone

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iamlindoro:

you might luck out and get it activated properly on the first try, you might spend several evenings on the phone with them to get them to do it properly

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iamlindoro:

Mostly because they're clueless, not because it's hard

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totalanni:

hey guys

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totalanni:

wagnerrp: my hvr-2250 arrives from newegg tomorrow, and im building my first mythtv backend, and suggestions/helpful tips?

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Beirdo:

Holy crap, I record too much

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dekarl:

Beirdo: morning and thanks for applying the mythweb patches! I guess you figured the height removal is to get the yellow highlight to actually match the contained picture (so one can see that it got fixed :)

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Beirdo:

yeah. It seemed to work well :)

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Beirdo:

and I found that the aspect code was still borked (/10k rather than /1M)

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dekarl:

I didn't know if it was supposed to be bigger to line up nicely with the buttons on the right or not. But as I'm no designer I opted for "make the fix easy to see"

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Beirdo:

which was messing up the aspect ratio for all customs

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dekarl:

No we only need to handle VFD :D

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Beirdo:

heh

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dekarl:

AFD... active field... like "video is shot 16:9 with 14:9 safe frame"

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Beirdo:

anyways, I'd been noticing the aspect was off... and kept forgetting to look at it

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jya:

where can I read the log of mythweb? the recording screens is now showing an empty screen

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dekarl:

It bugged me when on my new master backend I could not see any pictures on the details

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Beirdo:

I have a mix of 16:9, 4:3 and nearly 16:0

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Beirdo:

16:9

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jya:

if i edit the URL to only show a subset, then it works

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jya:

ah: PHP Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 67108864 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 75 bytes) in /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/modules/tv/recorded.php on line 148, referer: http://htpc.avenard.org/mythweb/

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Beirdo:

jya: it's a separate repo. when did it stop working?

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Beirdo:

ooooh

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Beirdo:

hahaha

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Beirdo:

yeah, it's a memory hog if you have lots of recordings

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jya:

I guess the 64M default isn't enough

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jya:

hum.. it has 128M allocated in php.ini

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Beirdo:

mine's at 128M

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Beirdo:

it's overridden in the mythweb.conf that you use in apache config

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jya:

ah let me have a look

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wagnerrp:

isnt there some option to enable paging for the 'recorded programs' screen?

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Beirdo:

not that I recall, but that would be nice

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jya:

I didn't know you could override the php settings for a particular url

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dekarl:

Beirdo: I wish one could manually slap "the content is no wider then 14:9" on recordings. It would help with old (4:3, 3:2) content in a 16:9 picture to use up all vertical space on a 16:10 screen automatically (without counting black lines which... seems to not work with VDPAU decode) Without you get the picture frame effect. (but that's something for winter time as it's spread all over the code)

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jya:

I wanted to delete all the recordings 3 years and over

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jya:

would there be a utility to do that?

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Beirdo:

dekarl: I'd like to have the autocrop stuff work :)

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dekarl:

uhh, that's would be nice, too.

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Beirdo:

jya: might be one in the wiki, haven't looked

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jya:

I have 6TB of recordings.. I think I have enough to watch for a lifetime

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: autocrop is broken?

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Beirdo:

autocrop + zoom + re-letterbox on the fly. Mmmm

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: has it ever worked?

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dekarl:

AFD enables autocrop when there is content to be cropped ;)

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wagnerrp:

sure, for software decoding

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Beirdo:

I have recordings that came from BBCA that need it every time, I haven't found the trick to it yet

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wagnerrp:

at least it used to

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Beirdo:

oh

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Beirdo:

hah

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dekarl:

yes, worked for software but not hardware last time I looked

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wagnerrp:

we dont pull the video out of the graphics card for processing if youre using VDPAU

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Beirdo:

well, there is that

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Beirdo:

need to make nuvexport do it too :)

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jya:

when does a recording actually gets deleted after you select delete in mythweb?

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Beirdo:

to do it effectively, we'd need to detect during recording/markup

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Beirdo:

and then apply the crop during transcode

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wagnerrp:

jya: when the backend decides it is good and ready to do so

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jya:

I;m still at 99% usage with 165GB free after deleted over one hundred recordings of 3–4GB

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Beirdo:

jya: should get kicked off "immediately" just like from the PBB

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Beirdo:

but that's not really immediate

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jya:

PBB ?

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wagnerrp:

if you let it delete immediately, it will unlink immediately, and then slowly delete according to your slow delete setting

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wagnerrp:

playbackbox

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wagnerrp:

'watch recordings' in the frontend

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wagnerrp:

if you have expire-instead-of-delete enabled

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wagnerrp:

deleting them will simply move them to the Deleted recording group

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** jya is learning every day **

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wagnerrp:

at which point they will be the first to auto-expire

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Beirdo:

ah yes :)

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

so many ways to do funky things

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jya:

if i untick the expire-instead of delete bit

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jya:

will the one deleted previously be deleted, or only the future ones?

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Beirdo:

the delete from mythweb just sends an AJAX request to delete, AFAIK

[06:03:26]

Beirdo:

hmm, not sure about that

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jya:

ah it has started

[06:03:33]

wagnerrp:

right, it just tells the backend to delete things

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jya:

255GB free now, 98%

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wagnerrp:

and the backend does whatever the backend wants

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Beirdo:

the backend has a mind of its own

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wagnerrp:

ah hah! fixed

[06:03:56]

jya:

ah

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jya:

doing a refresh in mythbackend, and most of them are back :P

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Beirdo:

yeah, the AJAX likely never got there or got acted on

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wagnerrp:

may as well do the second one at the same time

[06:04:39]

wagnerrp:

since there isnt going to be a lot of cache hits

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Beirdo:

I see that at times.

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jya:

that sucks...

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Beirdo:

hmmm, got 4h where I can eat. Stupid 8h fast before stupid blood test.

[06:05:47]

Beirdo:

I need to smack myself next time I book a blood test appointment for just before lunch

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Beirdo:

idiot.

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wagnerrp:

isnt that good?

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jya:

ahah

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Beirdo:

why would it be good?

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dekarl:

booking after lunch would be worse :D

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wagnerrp:

book it before lunch, and then go eat afterwards?

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Beirdo:

it means no breakfast...

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Beirdo:

no coffee in the morning

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jya:

blood test at 7–8AM are the best thing for sure

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wagnerrp:

ah

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Beirdo:

agreed. 7–8am is the best :)

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jya:

if you have one to do that is :)

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Beirdo:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

ok, lets see about getting these other jails replaced with the new base

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Beirdo:

hmmm, I want to get my analog filter design finalized so I can play with DSPs

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** jya wonder if this will fix the alsa distortion i could hear here and then... **

[06:09:08]

Beirdo:

heh, it might

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jya:

doubt it… usually it requires a restart of mythfrontend and sometimes a reboot even

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jya:

started with alsa 0.23

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Beirdo:

I really wanna play with undersampling :)

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wagnerrp:

cannot destroy: dataset is busy

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jya:

well, now that I have 6.1 audio working

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jya:

time to watch star wars

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: hmm, that sucks

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wagnerrp:

busy? theres nothing mounted there, theres nothing running there... what could you possibly be doing

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jya:

will lift the mood of the day..

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Beirdo:

fuser -m?

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wagnerrp:

wtf... it cannot possibly be busy because zfs already unmounted it

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Beirdo:

anything have it as cwd?

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

you'll have to slap it silly

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wagnerrp:

seems to have taken the second time

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Beirdo:

oooh, that reminds me... my ripping box is down, and I wanted to move my music over to an iscsi target

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wagnerrp:

what for?

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Beirdo:

so I can have it on the RAID... and where I'll be backing up from

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Beirdo:

I dunno

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wagnerrp:

im not understanding... why not just put it on the raid and NFS it out

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Beirdo:

because I'm insane :)

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Beirdo:

that would work too

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

and potentially better too

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Beirdo:

it can wait

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Beirdo:

I'll get that rebooted soon

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Beirdo:

stupid computers

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Beirdo:

screw it. rebooted.

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Beirdo:

it was at a kernel oops screen with "recursive failure fixed, but need reboot"

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Beirdo:

holy crap. 100 exacto knife blades for $20

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Beirdo:

hehe

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** dekarl loves training videos on accident prevention. "How to cross the driving surface" especially when they show how it can go wrong :D Like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgqeBcdbFJ4 **

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Beirdo:

that's a bit more than I need

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wagnerrp:

you know, those things are fake

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Beirdo:

fake?

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Beirdo:

oh, you mean the video, not the blades :)

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wagnerrp:

age restricted? oh come on... whats a bit of chainsaw dismemberment

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dekarl:

you mean they don't really push baby buggies on the street while theres a baby in it?

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wagnerrp:

i had never actually seen the first bit of that one

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wagnerrp:

i thought it was some other episode (dont know if there is more than one)

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wagnerrp:

in which they were somewhat less blatant

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dekarl:

well, it's a very graphic version of these training videos. Been told it's very funny when your teacher, who regularly runs the dull ones, puts that one in :D

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Beirdo:

hmmm, wonder if I should buy scalpels instead. exactos die fast cutting traces

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k-man:

dekarl, nice blood spatters

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k-man:

dekarl, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVRjLErrAFQ this is how not to do it

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wagnerrp:

the guy on the fork reminds me of John Cleese

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wagnerrp:

... wow

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k-man:

or this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBCosI3jx9c

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Beirdo:

there. ordered epoxy and exacto blades

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Beirdo:

amazon++

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k-man:

man the driver in that one only just escapes

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Beirdo:

NP: Stan Rogers – Barrett's Privateers

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Beirdo:

ahhh

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Beirdo:

yes, I like me Canadian Folk music :)

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justinh:

bye bye Jobs eh. wonder if that's going to make Apple more or less litigious

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wagnerrp:

i thought hes been out of the loop for the better part of a year

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justinh:

that was what was said, but was it actually the case. We'll probably never know

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justinh:

ugh. seen on my friends' feed that the death has 'affected' people. FFS he was just a guy

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Beirdo:

Hahaha

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Beirdo:

there's a fun cruise.

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Beirdo:

1 night. Seattle -> Vancouver.

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Beirdo:

$179 for the most expensive suites

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Beirdo:

hehe

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Beirdo:

unfortunately then you'd have to find a way back to Seattle

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Beirdo:

They have a 75-day cruise taht I wish I could afford though.

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Beirdo:

Seattle -> San Diego... via Russia, Korea, China, Indonesia, Papua New Guinea, Australia, New Zealand, Tahiti, Hawaii

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Beirdo:

cheapest... around $10k

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Beirdo:

next.

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Beirdo:

not to mention I don't get 75days off.

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justinh:

ha

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deegan:

Has anyone here ever built a coax distribution network using mythtv as the tv-source?

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justinh:

ugh. why would you do that? mono audio? poor quality RF modulated video? bleugh

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deegan:

Well the main idea was really to not have frontends all over the place but just be able to tune the tv for the various channels.

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deegan:

it might not be doable and i've only invested a limited time trying to figure out how it could be done.

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justinh:

the one big snag there will be that everybody will have to watch the same thing

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deegan:

well not if i use several output LNB's and such?

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justinh:

no, I mean everybody would have to watch the same mythtv frontend

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deegan:

basicly the same idea behind using several frontends. again i might be completely wrong about this but the idea would be the same of that which you see in apartment buildings.

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deegan:

ooh.

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justinh:

unless you have several frontends

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justinh:

and then you're back to square one :P

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deegan:

yea it's dumb.

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deegan:

nevermind, erase the past 2 minutes of your life

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deegan:

:)

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justinh:

not only that, the RF modulators I've seen aren't exactly dirt cheap, and they generally aren't very good

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deegan:

So it would just be cheaper going for multiple frontends.

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justinh:

if you want independent mythtv ability in each room, yes

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justinh:

you could possibly use multiple video & soundcards, remote receivers & have more than one frontend on a machine but it'll be a big PITA to set up

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deegan:

Yea totally not worth it then, the idea was of course to make it easier to use and setup. :)

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justinh:

nothing is as easy to use or setup than a dedicated frontend per viewing location

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justinh:

if you use the same hardware for all frontends it'll be even easier

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justinh:

get one working how you want it, then clone :D

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deegan:

Yea i got one working and i use my laptop as an adhoc solution when i'm not home, this is mostly something i've been questioning if its doable and if it would make anything easier. the answer seem to be: more expensive, more PITA and just not worth it.

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justinh:

we only have one TV at home. it'll be staying that way for quite some time yet

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deegan:

We got 2 so admitedly this idea wasnt really about "oh no i dont want 10 frontends" it was more the techsavy geek inside me that wondered how doable it was. :)

[11:51:35]

justinh:

it might not be too bad to host 2 frontends on one machine. any more than that is going to be a big pain

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deegan:

Whenver I'm out of town for studies i just hook up my laptop to the 100/100mbit internet connection, use openvpn to my homeserver and fire up mythfrontend to watch some tv. Works great. :)

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justinh:

heh/ must be nice to have that much upload capacity on your home broadband

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deegan:

especially useful now that hockeyseason is on again.

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justinh:

we get 2Mb here if we're lucky

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deegan:

sweden rocks when it comes to broadband. 100/100 at home, 100/100 at my study-apartment. :)

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justinh:

I was in sweden a few weeks ago. I found it very expensive

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justinh:

hotel apartment was 3-star, cost over £170 per night

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deegan:

Yea that stuff aint cheap

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deegan:

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justinh:

meals at the restaurant started at about 250Kronor

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justinh:

I was working at bus depots, overseeing a major software upgrade

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deegan:

Cool, I'm doing my cisco studies now after a few years working as a system/network administrator with linux being a "speciality" or whatever. So I hope to travel around a bit when I get my CCNP.

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justinh:

from what I heard, CCNP is kind of like write your own paycheck

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deegan:

But that's the price you pay regarding the dinner, cheap broadband and pricy food. If you're starving you can atleast google for cheap dishes. :)

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justinh:

ha

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justinh:

there was a place over the road from the hotel which was much cheaper, but I was always asleep when it was open

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justinh:

stupid late night working ;)

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deegan:

Hehe yea late night sucks, everytime i did that stuff i'd eat sandwiches and drink coffee for 2–3 days because i was never up whenever the restaurants was open. :)

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justinh:

heh. coffee & red bull were my friends

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justinh:

I don't like driving when I'm that tired though.. the trips back to my hotel at 5am were scary

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justinh:

good job there's nothing to hit at that time :D

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deegan:

I'd just sleep in my office, we had the computer room on basement level and offices where on the entry floor. :)

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deegan:

s/computer room/serverroom.

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justinh:

and the beer! jesus. like 110Kronor for a 'pint' ? Mind, at least the scenery was nice. there didn't seem to be any people I'd call overweight anywhere near my hotel

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deegan:

Where the hell did you go for pints? That sounds expensive.

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justinh:

I didn't. I saw the prices & decided my expenses prolly wouldn't cover it

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deegan:

Altough admitedly I've been away from the bar-scene for a few years so maybe that's the new price but last time I had a pint in a bar it was like 50kr.

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deegan:

haha

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justinh:

btw top tip.. if you've gone too long without sleep but really need to doze, watch old re-runs of McGyver

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deegan:

justinh: hehe nice, i've watched a few not too long ago and i dont know if it's sad or what it is but all I can say is – he's not fooling me anymore with that egg in the radiator trick.

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justinh:

I was just shocked to learn who the series exec producer was

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justinh:

or at least was credited high up.. THE FONZ :-O

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Ankhwatcher:

bah, I reinstalled my myth frontend on windows but the damn thing just wont work

[13:56:12]

Ankhwatcher:

I'm going to make a Mythbuntu usb stick and use that as a frontend instead.

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justinh:

have you tried reinstalling it?

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justinh:

:-P

[13:56:24]

justinh:

windows, I mean

[13:57:08]

Ankhwatcher:

justinh: this is the most stable this computer has been since I switched from vista to 7, you don't screw with that sort of thing!

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justinh:

hahaha this USB problem – very short USB cables don't work

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justinh:

stupid piece of crap

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Ankhwatcher:

justinh: if you want really deep sleep try Murder She Wrote

[14:02:59]

Ankhwatcher:

oh hey, this usb stick already has mythbuntu installed on it.

[14:03:02]

Ankhwatcher:

net

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Ankhwatcher:

neat

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justinh:

mount list

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justinh:

oops

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Ankhwatcher:

hey the live cd frontend on this usb stick is trying to connect to a backend at 127.0.0.1, how do I change that?

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wagnerrp:

store the proper address on the livecd

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Ankhwatcher:

...and why the hell was it set that way in the first place.

[14:16:15]

wagnerrp:

or figure out why upnp autodetection isnt working

[14:16:21]

Ankhwatcher:

ah

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Ankhwatcher:

the port might be blocked

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wagnerrp:

youre running a firewall?

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Ankhwatcher:

peer guardian linux on my server

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Ankhwatcher:

it should be open to the local range, though

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wagnerrp:

thats not a firewall

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justinh:

the backend IP of 127.0.0.1 comes from the database

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justinh:

a frontend finds out where the DB lives, to locate the backend

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wagnerrp:

oh, is it trying to connect to the backend or database at 127.0.0.1?

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justinh:

so I suspect your backend is running & isn't bound to the LAN IP of the machine

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justinh:

if what you said is correct

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wagnerrp:

yeah, that would be the same reason your win7 frontend wasnt working too

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Ankhwatcher:

I went back and changed all that stuff to point at the static ip address

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justinh:

and also why autodiscovery isn't working :P

[14:19:10]

Ankhwatcher:

but maybe I missed one

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rooter7:

I'm at a complete loss. Compile fails with:

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rooter7:

libavformat/matroskaenc.c:31:29: fatal error: libavcodec/xiph.h: No such file or directory

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wagnerrp:

if he is finding the database, then autodiscovery is working, but wrong

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rooter7:

Searched all Debian and multimedia packages, and none seem to have xiph.h

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wagnerrp:

rooter7: we dont use an external copy of ffmpeg

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rooter7:

OK.

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wagnerrp:

http://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/m . . . codec/xiph.h

[14:21:37]

rooter7:

Compile is failing for reasons I don't understand.

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wagnerrp:

if CC cant find that, then your build environment is borked

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wagnerrp:

justinh: actually, i think a backend address of 127.0.0.1 disables UPNP entirely

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wagnerrp:

meaning he couldnt have found that with autodiscovery

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justinh:

yup

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justinh:

that was my point :-)

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wagnerrp:

which also means that for some retarded reason, his livecd is running its own database and database server

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justinh:

all in one livecd with mythbackend. for many winning scenarios

[14:24:21]

justinh:

s/winning/whining/

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rooter7:

I don't have xiph.h anywhere in /usr, including the Myth build environment in /usr/local/src.

[14:25:22]

justinh:

man, this USB issue is *weird*

[14:25:37]

wagnerrp:

rooter7: what version are you running?

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justinh:

I need to borrow the USB analyser. Except I don't run windows on my desktop at work anymore. Ha

[14:26:14]

rooter7:

0.24–27420

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wagnerrp:

so youre not only building source of a release version

[14:26:39]

wagnerrp:

youre building source from like 10 months ago?

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rooter7:

?

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justinh:

"but I downloaded the tarball"

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wagnerrp:

?

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rooter7:

Should xiph.h be in the source?

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TheAsp_:

rawr. http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/10080

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wagnerrp:

it should be, but you shouldnt be building that version anyway

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rooter7:

I have no choice.

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wagnerrp:

why not?

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rooter7:

You won't like it...

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wagnerrp:

you cant install git?

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wagnerrp:

you cant download a tarball of a newer version from github?

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Ankhwatcher:

You're running Windows 2000?

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justinh:

it's on a digital watch running a 2.4 linux kernel?

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rooter7:

My patch for the R5000 does not compile in newer versions. This is a fine recording system, which I am trying to preserve, but I don't have the coding skills.

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justinh:

ooo. go straight to hell. do not pass go. etc

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TheAsp_:

heh

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wagnerrp:

youre on comcast, scrap the r5000, get an hdhomerun prime and a cablecard

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Ankhwatcher:

justinh: damn you! I am taking my $200 to hell with me!

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rooter7:

Dish Network. I might have an old backup of the source.

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TheAsp_:

Ankhwatcher: i feel the same way about my bt878 ;)

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TheAsp_:

luckily it works again

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wagnerrp:

TheAsp_: that it should burn in hell?

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rooter7:

So what is the Best recording system these days?

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TheAsp_:

wagnerrp: well, that too, obviously

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wagnerrp:

maybe you could take it out back into a grassy field, with a bat and some gangsta rap

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TheAsp_:

the channel with local news has c5...

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TheAsp_:

need that pos to record it

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wagnerrp:

c5?

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wagnerrp:

5c? firewire encryption?

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TheAsp_:

drm stuff that turns off the firewire port

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TheAsp_:

yeah

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TheAsp_:

yeah, 5c, sorry ;)

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wagnerrp:

it doesnt turn it off, it requires a device authorized to protect the DRM

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justinh:

C5 was Clive Sinclair's ill-fated electric vehicle

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TheAsp_:

the point is, it needs to die

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rooter7:

What is the Best recording system these days?

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wagnerrp:

what do you mean?

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rooter7:

Well,

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rooter7:

never mind. I'll just try to make what I have work.

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wagnerrp:

that same file exists in 0.24

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wagnerrp:

if you cant get mythtv to compile, its because whatever you did to the source broke the compile

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rooter7:

No this source used to compile. Something went wrong with the filesystem.

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rooter7:

Should have an old backup.

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rooter7:

Actually my HTPC is running fine on this... I'm trying to get a remote machine to work.

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rooter7:

... on which I've just rebuilt Debian.

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johnf1911:

is it possible that the frame numbers in a cut list, as reported by mythcommflag / the gui are not perfectly accurate?

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wagnerrp:

i have seen some funkiness from time to time on interlaced content

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wagnerrp:

but at worst, it just means the cut is off by a fraction of a second

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johnf1911:

hmm

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johnf1911:

well, I'm using the frame numbers from mycommflag

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johnf1911:

in HandBrakeCLI

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johnf1911:

which certainly seems to greatly care about frame level accuracy

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johnf1911:

given the amount of time it takes it to seek :)

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johnf1911:

I'll look at it a bit later in more detail

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wagnerrp:

time it takes to seek?

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johnf1911:

yes, it takes it like, a few minutes to seek 20 minutes into a 30 minute long 720p recording

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johnf1911:

seeking to a specific frame number

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wagnerrp:

usually video editors build a frame index when you first load mpeg files specifically for that reason

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johnf1911:

makes sense

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wagnerrp:

should take around a minute or two for a ~3GB half hour recording

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wagnerrp:

but after that, seeks are instantaneous

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wagnerrp:

nearly so, anyway

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johnf1911:

stop frame is relative to start frame

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johnf1911:

not absolute

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wagnerrp:

no, theyre all absolute

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johnf1911:

no, in Handbrake

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johnf1911:

so I'll need to subtract

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wagnerrp:

dont know about handbrake

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johnf1911:

yeah, it's cool

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Ankhwatcher:

This MythTV plugins screen should really show some mouse-over text explaining what they do.

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johnf1911:

the source of the problem wasn't on this end

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wagnerrp:

this an h264 recording?

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johnf1911:

yes

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johnf1911:

from an HD-PVR

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wagnerrp:

Ankhwatcher: what mythtv plugins screen?

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Ankhwatcher:

wagnerrp: in the Mythbuntu Control Centre

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wagnerrp:

well... that would be something for mythbuntu to do

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wagnerrp:

we dont maintain that

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Ankhwatcher:

okay

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Ankhwatcher:

What does MythBrowser do anyway?

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wagnerrp:

its a web browser, for mythfrontend

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tgm4883:

Ankhwatcher, that makes sense, file a bug here http://launchpad.net/mythbuntu and if I get some free time I'll fix it

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johnf1911:

wagnerrp: why did you ask?

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Ankhwatcher:

tgm4883: I can't argue with that. Will do.

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wagnerrp:

johnf1911: just an assumption, considering if it were mpeg2, you should be using the internal transcoder

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wagnerrp:

just a sanity check to make sure you werent doing something foolish and completely unnecessary

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wagnerrp:

:)

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wagnerrp:

is handbrake keeping them as mpeg transport streams?

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Ankhwatcher:

wagnerrp: where I come from we call that "level 1 tech support"

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wagnerrp:

or are you remuxing them?

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johnf1911:

I'm outputting them into mkvs

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johnf1911:

then I'll use the merging feature of mkvmerge

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johnf1911:

I wish there was a way to cut the h264 files :(

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wagnerrp:

ah, just curious

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wagnerrp:

i was working on a GOP cutter a while back

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wagnerrp:

something that would cut at the keyframes, rather than cut anywhere and fix the resulting gaps

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wagnerrp:

and then re-do the cutlist to account for the remaining frames

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johnf1911:

hmm, there are some scripts for that on the website

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johnf1911:

ah, that could be decentish

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wagnerrp:

but i could never find something to reliably fix the timecodes in the transport stream

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wagnerrp:

so many players would just sit there ticking away the minutes of no data

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Ankhwatcher:

tgm4883: Are you happy with this bug report? https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/869325

[16:38:14]

wagnerrp:

or worse, outright fail when you try to seek within it

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Ankhwatcher:

so my mysql database does not have the default name for a myth database, Do you think that would break the frontends?

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Ankhwatcher:

(external frontends)

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wagnerrp:

Ankhwatcher: mythtv uses upnp for auto-discovery of the backend by remote frontends

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johnf1911:

wow

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wagnerrp:

the frontend finds the backend, and gets the database address, name, and login credentials from it

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johnf1911:

does that mean I don't need mysql.txt and that on the frontend any more?

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johnf1911:

and since which release?

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Ankhwatcher:

wagnerrp: so that's a no then

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wagnerrp:

Ankhwatcher: assuming youve got everything configured properly, no

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wagnerrp:

johnf1911: not exactly... that auto-discovery is only performed once, after which it writes out a mysql.txt and no longer has to do it

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wagnerrp:

you /could/ delete that file every time you close mythfrontend

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wagnerrp:

and have it do auto-discovery each time

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wagnerrp:

but... why would you want to...

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johnf1911:

oh, intereresting

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wagnerrp:

all mythtv applications, the perl and python bindings, and mythweb are all capable of this auto-discovery in some manner or another

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Ankhwatcher:

wagnerrp: if you're mythbackend was a laptop that kept getting different ip addresses...#

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wagnerrp:

Ankhwatcher: then you would have an improperly configured backend

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Ankhwatcher:

well anyhow, how can I check on upnp to see if it is working?

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wagnerrp:

when you configured your backend, did you use '127.0.0.1' or 'localhost' for anything?

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Ankhwatcher:

the local and master backends are set to 192.168.1.2

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wagnerrp:

and the database?

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Ankhwatcher:

in mythtv setup

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Ankhwatcher:

where is that setting?

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wagnerrp:

first thing you configured when you first ran mythtv-setup

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wagnerrp:

hence forth stored in ~/.mythtv/config.xml and ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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Ankhwatcher:

ah

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Ankhwatcher:

I'll go look

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Ankhwatcher:

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Ankhwatcher:

that it?

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wagnerrp:

theres your problem

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wagnerrp:

if upnp auto-discovery is working

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wagnerrp:

the backend is telling each frontend to connect to their own local database

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Ankhwatcher:

ah grand

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Ankhwatcher:

what is the command to stop the backend?

[17:05:45]

Ankhwatcher:

sudo mythbackend stop?

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wagnerrp:

probably something to do with 'service'

[17:06:19]

wagnerrp:

i dont use mythbuntu

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Ankhwatcher:

neither do I

[17:07:15]

wagnerrp:

of course you do

[17:07:21]

wagnerrp:

you were just complaining about mythbuntu control center

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Ankhwatcher:

nope that something I installed to solve problems caused by not using mythbuntu

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wagnerrp:

you are running ubuntu?

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Ankhwatcher:

kubuntu

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wagnerrp:

you are running packages from some repo?

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Ankhwatcher:

all the mythbuntu components are in the ubuntu general repositories

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wagnerrp:

so... you are using mythbuntu, even if your base distro was not their installer

[17:09:06]

Ankhwatcher:

When is a cow not a cow? When it is also a duck!

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wagnerrp:

the mythtv packages in the general ubuntu repositories are those produced by the mythbuntu project

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Beirdo:

when it's a steak.

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wagnerrp:

along with all their helper utilities and wrapper scripts

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Ankhwatcher:

Beirdo: touché

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Ankhwatcher:

is it cool for DBPort to be set to zero? Does that just mean it used the default mysql port?

[17:11:36]

Beirdo:

OMG, I recorded 21 shows yesterday

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Ankhwatcher:

Beirdo: you monster!

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Beirdo:

it should use the default if set to 0, IIRC

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Ankhwatcher:

good good

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Ankhwatcher:

If I haven't completely broken this system by Sunday I'll be recording the Japanese Gran Prix in HD. I'm a litle nervous about how much space it's going to use.

[17:14:24]

Ankhwatcher:

okay so I have edite config.xml and restarted mythtv-backend

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wagnerrp:

did you ever configure a pin in mythtv-setup?

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Ankhwatcher:

fyi: sudo service mythtv-backend restart

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wagnerrp:

an empty pin means disable auto-discovery

[17:15:45]

wagnerrp:

a pin of 0000 means allow anything

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Ankhwatcher:

yeah I saw that so I set it to 0000

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wagnerrp:

ok, is your database configured to listen on the network?

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wagnerrp:

likely true since your backend is working after changing the address of the database

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Ankhwatcher:

yeah I've successfully connected to it with manually entered settings before

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wagnerrp:

have you connected to it from a remote machine?

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Ankhwatcher:

yes

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wagnerrp:

meaning... have you GRANTed access to those other IPs

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wagnerrp:

then you should be set

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Ankhwatcher:

I should probably change my grant settings

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wagnerrp:

you can test it by going to http://192.168.1.2:6544/Myth/GetConnectionInfo?Pin=0000

[17:18:05]

Ankhwatcher:

at the moment any whitelisted ip address could connect to that database

[17:18:47]

Ankhwatcher:

that worked

[17:19:11]

Ankhwatcher:

how to I grant to 192.168.1.0/24?

[17:19:16]

Ankhwatcher:

how do I grant to 192.168.1.0/24?

[17:19:51]

wagnerrp:

GRANT ALL ON mythconverg.* TO 'mythtv'@'192.168.1.%' IDENTIFIED BY 'mythtv';

[17:20:18]

Ankhwatcher:

where mythtv is the username?

[17:20:51]

wagnerrp:

and password

[17:21:09]

wagnerrp:

first is username, second is password

[17:21:10]

Ankhwatcher:

ah

[17:21:12]

wagnerrp:

mythtv is the default for both

[17:21:24]

Ankhwatcher:

not on my system :)

[17:23:31]

wagnerrp:

well then you can change it for both

[17:23:45]

Ankhwatcher:

yep

[17:24:00]

Ankhwatcher:

grant is run from within the mysql console right?

[17:25:04]

wagnerrp:

yes

[17:25:39]

Ankhwatcher:

great, that worked. now how do I delete my idiotic universal grant?

[17:26:41]

Ankhwatcher:

why isn't grant on the list of mysql commands? weird[6~

[17:27:36]

Ankhwatcher:

ah I need to revoke

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Ankhwatcher:

sorted

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Ankhwatcher:

now to go fight with my frontends

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Ankhwatcher:

"Found one UPnP Backend" thanks wagnerrp!

[17:55:47]

Ankhwatcher:

anyone happen to know how to get MythFrontend to go fullscreen on the second monitor under windows?

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justinh:

the japanese gran prix? is that some gameshow involving septegenarians?

[18:51:37]

Ankhwatcher:

justinh: asians live longer. And boy can they drive.

[18:54:00]

wagnerrp:

in other news, astrologers shut down the international timezone database

[18:54:16]

justinh:

?

[18:54:19]

TheAsp_:

uh

[18:55:01]

wagnerrp:

some company that sells astrology software claims the timezone database includes their copyrighted historical information

[18:55:09]

TheAsp_:

nice

[18:55:16]

wagnerrp:

sued the guy who maintains it

[18:55:20]

TheAsp_:

haha

[18:55:23]

TheAsp_:

url?

[18:55:25]

wagnerrp:

shutting down the mailing list and official mirror

[18:55:40]

TheAsp_:

I need a zone updated ;)

[18:55:53]

wagnerrp:

http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.time.tz/4133

[18:56:04]

** TheAsp_ verifies it's not april 1st **

[18:57:04]

wagnerrp:

of course... it seems odd that the timezone databases are hosted on a national cancer institute server

[18:57:53]

TheAsp_:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tz_database

[18:57:56]

TheAsp_:

named there

[18:58:07]

TheAsp_:

wait...

[18:58:18]

TheAsp_:

yeah

[18:58:24]

TheAsp_:

maintenance section

[18:59:47]

wagnerrp:

it will be interesting to see what happens when the combined might of a full two thirds of the world descends upon this little company

[19:01:59]

justinh:

er.. copyrighted historical information? isn't there a pretty simple equation to work out what the time was anywhere in the world?

[19:02:38]

TheAsp_:

it's a bit more complicated than that

[19:02:42]

TheAsp_:

but it all adds up to facts

[19:02:48]

TheAsp_:

and facts cannot be copyrighted

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iamlindoro:

not when Single states in America, for example, decide to not observe daylight savings... or only half the time... or only single counties

[19:03:14]

TheAsp_:

you can be sued for it, but good luck ;)

[19:03:19]

wagnerrp:

plus you have states and countries switching between different time zones

[19:03:21]

justinh:

time will tell whether facts can be copyrighted or not

[19:03:29]

wagnerrp:

or switching between DST or not

[19:03:34]

wagnerrp:

or when they enact DST

[19:03:35]

TheAsp_:

oh, i'm sure they will be copyrightable within 2 years ;)

[19:03:41]

justinh:

or rather, this case will decide it

[19:03:43]

wagnerrp:

or addition of leap seconds and leap years

[19:04:05]

TheAsp_:

time is messed up. humans can't agree on anything

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justinh:

humans. destroy all humans

[19:04:20]

wagnerrp:

justinh: actually, US courts have already decided facts cannot be copyrighted

[19:04:23]

TheAsp_:

not when people like this have internet access: http://www.timecube.com/

[19:04:59]

wagnerrp:

and the work of transcribing those facts into a database does not constitute a creative effort that would allow for a copyright

[19:05:03]

TheAsp_:

wagnerrp: didn't they decide you have fair use rights too?

[19:05:35]

wagnerrp:

you do have fair use rights

[19:05:44]

TheAsp_:

yeah, good luck using them though

[19:05:54]

justinh:

haha. I thought David Icke was a nutter

[19:06:11]

wagnerrp:

the problem is getting around that pesky DMCA to exercise those rights

[19:09:07]

justinh:

is there a version of that cube thing written in intelligible English?

[19:09:18]

TheAsp_:

uhh

[19:09:24]

TheAsp_:

would you want one? :)

[19:09:39]

wagnerrp:

cube thing?

[19:09:45]

wagnerrp:

oh, the link

[19:10:47]

wagnerrp:

justinh: i would be happy with a background that didnt make me want to murder small animals

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[19:13:18]

Solaris444:

hi guys.

[19:13:34]

Solaris444:

I'm having strange trouble recording.

[19:13:50]

Solaris444:

Sometimes shows record just fine, other times they mysteriously do not.

[19:14:02]

Solaris444:

No file appears to be created, despite the show saying it has been recorded.

[19:14:16]

Solaris444:

I have the logs on hand if it will help.

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[19:28:53]

lapion:

Solaris444, where you watching (analog) live tv when recording started ?

[19:29:08]

Solaris444:

its a dual tuner card

[19:29:14]

Solaris444:

and, no, the card is dvb

[19:30:18]

lapion:

hmm that's strange I only have problems with analog...

[19:30:42]

lapion:

I record up to 3 streams at the same time on my dvb card

[19:31:08]

lapion:

allmost never have problems with dvb records

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Solaris444:

there is an analog capture card, but it's not in use.

[19:45:27]

Solaris444:

Yeah, I have no idea what is causing the problem.

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justinh:

ahahahaha http://code.google.com/p/cec-arduino/

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Solaris444:

Hi justin. I've got some logs I was wondering if you could help me interpret.

[20:18:02]

justinh:

analogue. livetv. colour me not interested :-)

[20:18:11]

Solaris444:

Recording.

[20:18:14]

Solaris444:

dvb.

[20:18:16]

Solaris444:

Not analogue.

[20:18:46]

Solaris444:

Some shows are failing to record with zero byte files.

[20:18:52]

Solaris444:

Even though they show as recorded.

[20:19:09]

justinh:

been there. done that. went back to mythtv built from source. hasn't happened since

[20:19:16]

Solaris444:

?

[20:20:02]

Solaris444:

Well... question. Is it possible to press the record button on the remote once a show has started from livetv and have it record?

[20:20:11]

justinh:

sure it is

[20:20:11]

Solaris444:

I just want to understand what has happened is all.

[20:20:18]

Solaris444:

Yeah, that's what I thought.

[20:20:47]

justinh:

anyway all livetv is a recording

[20:21:03]

Solaris444:

yes, but kept in separate places in the file system

[20:21:14]

Solaris444:

and in separate database tables.

[20:23:48]

justinh:

in different tables? I don't think so

[20:23:59]

Solaris444:

No?

[20:24:07]

Solaris444:

Well anyway...

[20:24:09]

Solaris444:

http://pastebin.com/w1X6b6qa

[20:24:43]

Solaris444:

For some reason, "The Footy Show" shows as recorded, but there are no files in the recordings directory.

[20:24:59]

Solaris444:

The show started at 21:30

[20:25:45]

justinh:

there's nothiing illuminating in that log

[20:25:52]

justinh:

you need at least -v record

[20:35:23]

Solaris444:

-v record?

[20:35:38]

Solaris444:

Also, why does it say that "recording already exists"?

[20:36:49]

justinh:

set mythbackend to log with -v record

[20:36:56]

justinh:

using 'mythbackend -v record'

[20:37:03]

Solaris444:

ah ok.

[20:37:10]

justinh:

if it's already running its logging option will be changed accordingly

[20:37:18]

Solaris444:

nice.

[20:37:35]

Solaris444:

So if I call that when it's already running it will automatically switch huh?

[20:37:41]

Solaris444:

wish more programs did that.

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lapion:

Solaris444, make sure the directory has the correct uid or gid and the correct filmode bits set..

[21:06:33]

Solaris444:

It does lapion.

[21:06:38]

Solaris444:

Other recordings have worked.

[21:06:48]

Solaris444:

That was my first thought too.

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lapion:

make the backend is running with the correct user rights

[21:07:29]

Solaris444:

it appears to be

[21:07:48]

Solaris444:

it's not that all recordings fail.

[21:07:49]

Solaris444:

only some.

[21:07:52]

Solaris444:

and I can't tell why.

[21:08:03]

lapion:

make sure the volume that the system is mounted rw..

[21:08:22]

wagnerrp:

josef__: general suggestion, any modern dual core processor should do

[21:08:36]

justinh:

hahahaha. I'm starting to wish I'd not deleted Challenge TV from my lineup http://bullseyecontestants.tumblr.com/

[21:08:43]

wagnerrp:

'modern' being measured in terms of performance

[21:08:47]

lapion:

try using mplayer to playback the files...

[21:08:50]

wagnerrp:

Atoms and Arms need not apply

[21:09:21]

justinh:

and raspberrypi thingies

[21:09:28]

wagnerrp:

thats an ARM

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josef__:

wagnerrp: ok thx

[21:10:16]

wagnerrp:

justinh: these are photos from the 80s?

[21:10:36]

lapion:

laters Solaris444

[21:10:44]

Solaris444:

thanks lapion

[21:10:53]

justinh:

wagnerrp: yes

[21:11:13]

Solaris444:

wagnerrp: Any idea what could cause some recordings to fail with non-existent files?

[21:11:23]

wagnerrp:

what type of tuner?

[21:11:24]

justinh:

Solaris444: get logging with -v record

[21:11:31]

Solaris444:

ok.

[21:11:33]

Solaris444:

will do.

[21:11:36]

justinh:

your log shows nothing interesting

[21:11:40]

wagnerrp:

why would someone put up a page to make fun of people from 25yrs ago?

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justinh:

wagnerrp: because we brits find that kind of thing funny

[21:12:14]

wagnerrp:

of course theyre going to look old and dorky, styles change

[21:12:20]

justinh:

even though at the time we probably thought those people looked ordinary

[21:12:27]

wagnerrp:

... now if they were people dressing like that today ...

[21:12:38]

justinh:

the glasses have come back, I'm afraid

[21:12:58]

justinh:

big plastic jobs with massive brightly coloured rims. Oh god

[21:13:37]

wagnerrp:

yes, because people want to pay $100 for $0.25 worth of designer plastic

[21:14:11]

justinh:

Solaris444: all kinds of things can cause recordings to fail. tuning failures, file system snafus.. you name it. backend deadlocks...

[21:14:19]

justinh:

mysql slowness...

[21:14:26]

justinh:

sunspots...

[21:14:31]

Solaris444:

well, in this case it appeared to say "recording already exists".

[21:18:10]

wagnerrp:

did your backend crash just after attempting recording?

[21:18:20]

justinh:

no it didn't

[21:18:23]

justinh:

it just carried on

[21:18:42]

justinh:

unless the log has been doctored

[21:18:47]

wagnerrp:

i mean it crashed, restarted, and refused to record, thinking it was already recorded

[21:20:46]

justinh:

nah doesn't look like that's the case

[21:20:54]

justinh:

there's not enough time between log entries

[21:21:19]

justinh:

starts recording & then 5 seconds later it thinks the file already exists

[21:22:04]

justinh:

if I didn't know any better I might theorise that it's a threading issue of some sort

[21:23:56]

justinh:

wow. google finds something for that.. from back in 2005

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justinh:

Solaris444: I'm going to look in my old logs

[21:27:29]

dekarl:

justinh: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1687846 <- data collection thread

[21:27:58]

Solaris444:

thanks justin.

[21:28:00]

Solaris444:

reading now

[21:28:46]

justinh:

yeah I was seeing "recording already exists" around failed recordings

[21:29:06]

justinh:

that was last year though

[21:30:10]

justinh:

oh look, a 'me too' thread.

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justinh:

Solaris444: are you using active EIT btw?

[21:31:14]

Solaris444:

i think so.

[21:31:29]

Solaris444:

It's the only listings system available in my region.

[21:31:33]

Solaris444:

Or was last time I checked.

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justinh:

good points in that thread about tuner timeouts though

[21:32:06]

justinh:

you might want to try increasing the timeout a couple of secs

[21:32:12]

Solaris444:

ok sure.

[21:32:30]

Solaris444:

tuner timeout is set in the myth-setup interface?

[21:32:49]

Solaris444:

also, suitable tuner delay for Nova-T-500?

[21:32:56]

Solaris444:

i have it as 50 milliseconds.

[21:33:27]

justinh:

50ms? that's way too low for any dvb tuner methinks

[21:34:32]

justinh:

Solaris444: yeah you really need -v record logging on

[21:34:33]

wagnerrp:

heh

[21:34:39]

wagnerrp:

try 1–4 seconds

[21:34:49]

wagnerrp:

im surprised we even allow tuner timeouts that low

[21:35:15]

iamlindoro:

tuner timeout != tuner delay

[21:35:22]

iamlindoro:

two different settings

[21:35:24]

justinh:

what might be happening is that myth is giving up before the tuner is even ready – but most of the time you're getting lucky

[21:35:31]

iamlindoro:

Almost nobody should be using tuner delay, period

[21:35:50]

Solaris444:

iamlindoro, the tuner delay setting specifically recommends it for the card in question.

[21:35:59]

iamlindoro:

Only for old, buggy drivers

[21:36:16]

Solaris444:

ah ok.

[21:36:22]

iamlindoro:

Unless you encounter tuning failures, which you shouldn't on anything modern, you should not use it, ever

[21:36:31]

Solaris444:

alright.

[21:36:41]

iamlindoro:

And if you do encounter tuning failure, you should contact the v4l-dvb project to have them re-fix the driver

[21:36:45]

Solaris444:

so, tuner timeout setting is in mythtv-setup?

[21:36:46]

** iamlindoro has been meaning to remove that one **

[21:36:59]

Solaris444:

ah ok.

[21:36:59]

iamlindoro:

tuning and channel timeouts are in mythtv-setup, yes

[21:37:19]

justinh:

signal timeout & channel timeout. signal timeout is for scanning only I think

[21:37:52]

Solaris444:

Thanks. I'll set -v record on the backend.

[21:38:03]

justinh:

you said that like an hour ago

[21:38:23]

Solaris444:

justinh, I'm not at the premises where the backend is, and I don't have remote access.

[21:38:34]

TheAsp:

uhh

[21:38:40]

justinh:

meh. what do I care anyway? my recordings are working fine at the moment

[21:38:43]

justinh:

:D

[21:38:45]

TheAsp:

if you click on the screen while downloading a theme, the selected theme changes

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iamlindoro:

signal and channel timeout both affect scanning and tuning

[21:40:45]

justinh:

Solaris444: I've run into a few issues with 0 byte recordings. some were related to how many times myth goes to get the tuner frontend. that was fixed, so shouldn't affect anybody running 0.24. I've had backend deadlocks when I was running ubuntu mythtv packages – and now I'm back on source.. no deadlocks... and it appears the deadlocks have been fixed in master by rejigging the db communications

[21:41:12]

Solaris444:

*nods*

[21:41:15]

iamlindoro:

signal timeout is the amount of time to wait between tuning a frequency and seeing a valid signal, channel timeout is the delay between successful signal lock and the desires program being found

[21:41:53]

justinh:

ah. it's been ages since I've had to look at that stuff. haven't scanned for a very long time

[21:41:59]

justinh:

technically ;)

[21:42:41]

wagnerrp:

you know, it has been a while since ive heard anyone complain about the protocol deadlock

[21:43:26]

wagnerrp:

i wonder if that is finished

[21:44:01]

justinh:

well, for me it is. all I did was remove the packages & build my own mythtv from source

[21:44:08]

justinh:

0.24 source I mean

[21:44:38]

justinh:

which I find utterly confusing – unless it's something to do with running code compiled on a different version of distro.. but then.. wha?

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justinh:

I was seeing it generally a couple of times a day most days

[21:45:26]

justinh:

not at all when I was on holiday, which was weird

[21:45:51]

wagnerrp:

only a single backend?

[21:45:55]

justinh:

yup

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wagnerrp:

you didnt have any frontends to connect and screw around with stuff to get into that deadlock

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justinh:

that's what I started to figure, but there were times no frontend was connected all day & I'd come in to find the backend deadlocked

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justinh:

and the only other thing that changed around moving away from the packages was system uptime. getting on for a year.. but I needed to put a new HDD in

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justinh:

even then I can't really relate any of these things to mythbackend suddenly being rock solid

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justinh:

I turned off active EIT after I'd been back on DIY built mythtv for a couple of weeks, so it likely wasn't that either

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justinh:

it was a strange affair

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justinh:

when it got to be a daily occurence is when it became frustrating. you tend to start thinking about going out & buying a DVR. Reason kicks in after a while though. You realise that no shop bought DVR can even begin to compare to even a buggy mythtv install

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justinh:

so maybe for TV... but what about the rest of your media? all those dvd rips you toiled over? the home videos? sigh :-)

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iamlindoro:

hahahahahahahaahahahahahaha

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iamlindoro:

h

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iamlindoro:

ah

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iamlindoro:

ah

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iamlindoro:

aha

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iamlindoro:

ha

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iamlindoro:

hah

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iamlindoro:

a

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iamlindoro:

whoops

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iamlindoro:

WMC + Prime.... you change the mobo... and your recordings stop working

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wagnerrp:

something you find amusing?

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wagnerrp:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

of course, if you change the mobo, windows stops working too

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wagnerrp:

assuming it doesnt outright bluescreen

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wagnerrp:

it will still reset your authentication

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wagnerrp:

perhaps necessitating a call to microsoft

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iamlindoro:

yeah, but your recordings are gone permanently

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wagnerrp:

no, theyre still there on your hard drive

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wagnerrp:

you just cant use them... :)

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iamlindoro:

ever

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iamlindoro:

again

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iamlindoro:

hahahaha

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wagnerrp:

has someone run into this trouble in #hdhomerun?

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iamlindoro:

on the SD forums

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wagnerrp:

its just like the DVR you rent from the cableco!

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wagnerrp:

any problems and youre f---d

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iamlindoro:

enormously amusing to me

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wagnerrp:

why is the largest thread in the linux/mythtv folder about using the Prime in Windows?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Overflow? ;)

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iamlindoro:

WMC users having lots of issues, Myth users are a minority, but also have very few issues

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skd5aner:

What universe do I live in that Newegg sells naughty Halloween costumes?! – http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA0190000UH0

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iamlindoro:

model not included

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wagnerrp:

neither are pants, it would seem

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: over the last couple years, newegg has been trying to branch out as an amazon competitor

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wagnerrp:

they sell all sorts of crap now

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skd5aner:

I guess I just always go there and either search directly or click on the computer parts category I need – I never really have browsed around

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skd5aner:

I found that when an old high school friend posted that on facebook trying to decide if she wanted to buy it for a halloween party

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wagnerrp:

interesting halloween party

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skd5aner:

yea... needless to say, she lives about 2500 miles away so I'm pretty sure I won't find out what she picks out... although, with facebook... you never know anymore what people are going to post

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wagnerrp:

Keith Vance needs english lessons

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jams:

that was pretty hard to parse

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sphery:

how can newegg become an amazon competitor? I mean, really, what do eggs--old or new--have to do with non-computer stuff?

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TheAsp:

what does the amazon have to do with books?

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