Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, October 5th, 2011, 00:07 UTC

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jya:

jm|laptop: just wait a bit for the BBC audio fix, I will work on it very soon. Just have to finish what I'm working on right now..

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wagnerrp:

TheAsp: if it has a firewire port, and that firewire port is enabled and active, it should be supported

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TheAsp:

wagnerrp: has anyone worked out the device ids? i got 6200ch working but my vendor id is much larger than the others

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TheAsp:

also, does myth support mpeg4 off of fw yet?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv cannot support mpeg4 off of firewire

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TheAsp:

ok

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wagnerrp:

because firewire devices will not send mpeg4

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TheAsp:

oh, crap

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wagnerrp:

?

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TheAsp:

my hd channels switched to mpeg4 last week

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wagnerrp:

the hell they did

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TheAsp:

yeah... my 4yo 6200 is useless now

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TheAsp:

;)

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wagnerrp:

i didnt think they were allowed to use anything but mpeg2

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TheAsp:

i'm in canada

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wagnerrp:

i was under the impression US and Canadian cable systems were compatible

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TheAsp:

welp, eastlink switched

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TheAsp:

so will they not send mpeg4 by design, or is the magic bits to send the data unkown?

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wagnerrp:

they will send whatever they get

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wagnerrp:

ive just never heard of cable boxes getting mpeg4

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TheAsp:

if you want to rape my fw port, it's all yours :)

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TheAsp:

i dont want to have to use this motorola crap

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wagnerrp:

sphery: apparently AMD has started shipping 2.1 and 2.4GHz 65W Llano parts

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GrahamIRC:

Evening all. Having problems playing HD content here and can't figure out why

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TheAsp:

What problems?

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GrahamIRC:

CPU or disks not at all stressed and happens with or without vdpau

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GrahamIRC:

like half-second pauses at random

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TheAsp:

how are you doing sound?

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GrahamIRC:

Intel I5 quad core, 8G DDR3

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GrahamIRC:

currently over HDMI

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GrahamIRC:

alsa:hw

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wagnerrp:

sphery: amusingly, they idle at lower power than some Fusion and Atom systems

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TheAsp:

GrahamIRC: do you have cpu freq scaling turned on?

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GrahamIRC:

tried with speedstep on and off, seems to make no difference

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GrahamIRC:

currently it's off

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TheAsp:

have you tried hitting it?

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GrahamIRC:

lol, too many times

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GrahamIRC:

this is the second motherboard/cpu combo I've had this problem with

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TheAsp:

do you have that extra audio buffers thing turned on?

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TheAsp:

does mplayer do the same thing?

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GrahamIRC:

yes audio buffers on

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GrahamIRC:

not tried mplayer yet....

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GrahamIRC:

DVDs are fine, just HD

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GrahamIRC:

gonna try mplayer...

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GrahamIRC:

have even tried adding "intel_idle.max_cstate=0" to kernel cmd line

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GrahamIRC:

I don't suppose you know what the mplayer switch is to get it to send out DTS?

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TheAsp:

I officially hate this cable box

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TheAsp:

(not myth related)

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GrahamIRC:

:-)

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GrahamIRC:

I've resorted to using an HDFury and HDPVR

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GrahamIRC:

mplayer looks ok so far, but I can't get it to push the DTS through :-s

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TheAsp:

oh

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TheAsp:

wait, you want dts or pcm?

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TheAsp:

if you are using hdmi you could do pcm

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TheAsp:

i know you can get it to pass the dts data raw as well

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GrahamIRC:

ah got it!

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GrahamIRC:

mplayer -fs -vo vdpau -ao alsa:device=hdmi_hw -ac hwdts

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GrahamIRC:

so now thats equiv to what myth is doing

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GrahamIRC:

i.e. vdpau and alsa:hw

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TheAsp:

ok, you can blame myth now ;)

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GrahamIRC:

time to sit back and watch for drops – usually happens within a few mins

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TheAsp:

ohh

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GrahamIRC:

hang on, something is different

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GrahamIRC:

It's not actually using vdpau cos the CPU is showing 25%

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GrahamIRC:

with vdpau in myth that's usually around 1–2%

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GrahamIRC:

I haven't even looked at HD Audio pass through yet...

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TheAsp:

what card?

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GrahamIRC:

graphics?

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GrahamIRC:

nvidia GT-520

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GrahamIRC:

has the bandwidth for HBR Audio – apparently

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GrahamIRC:

curious that the -vo vdpau switch on mplayer seems to make no difference

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TheAsp:

what does it show mplayer is using?

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GrahamIRC:

how do I check?

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TheAsp:

VO: [vdpau] 528x480 => 640x480 Planar YV12

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TheAsp:

it'll say something like that

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GrahamIRC:

VO: [vdpau] 1920x1080 => 1920x1080 Planar YV12 [fs]

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GrahamIRC:

but no cpu difference with or without the switch and much higher than myth with vdpau

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GrahamIRC:

actually even without the switch it's still using vdpau so that explains that, but not the comparatively high cpu

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GrahamIRC:

but it is playing flawlessly

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GrahamIRC:

I suppose I could use mplayer to play HD content for now but I'd rather use the Myth Internal player

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TheAsp:

try -vo xv and see what cpu it uses

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GrahamIRC:

that'll be a laugh...hang on

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GrahamIRC:

actually less cpu

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GrahamIRC:

now that I wasn't expecting

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TheAsp:

sounds like you have something weird going on there ;)

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GrahamIRC:

hmm looks like I'll have to use mplayer for now then

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TheAsp:

what wm are you using?

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GrahamIRC:

I've had the same problem on a different machine running fedora

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GrahamIRC:

err whatever comes with mythbuntu (I'm new to mythbuntu, but not myth)

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TheAsp:

wagnerrp: best gues... what do you think is going to happen when i finally get this box working and tune to one of those mpeg4 channels? :)

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GrahamIRC:

whatever it is it looks fairly lightweight

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TheAsp:

yeah, probably not the issue

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wagnerrp:

if firewire on the device is even enabled, it very likely might work

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TheAsp:

ok, so i just have to figure out how to get my device id in there

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wagnerrp:

assuming the device id is not already configured in the code

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TheAsp:

Well, it's not 0.24

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TheAsp:

Any idea whats up with my manufacturer id? This box has 0x00e48399, the identical one i had earlier tonight had 0x002c9e5f, and all the others in the file only have the last 4 bytes

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TheAsp:

model id is the same

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TheAsp:

looks like only the last 32 bits are compared

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TheAsp:

wondering if the manufacturer id is just junk

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MrKermit:

Aloha

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TheAsp:

Konnichiwa

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TheAsp:

Ahh! finally, the menu button works

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TheAsp:

6 hours later...

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MrKermit:

Congrats!

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TheAsp:

Thats like "congratulations, you have cancer"

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TheAsp:

mpeg4 channels still not coming in

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MrKermit:

"not dead yet" --Monty Python

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TheAsp:

ohh

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TheAsp:

mythtv-setup sees it

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TheAsp:

hmm

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MrKermit:

Any HDHomerun users that can clarify how to set the Starting Channel? Scan and Fetch buttons are greyed out, and the docs say not to use them.

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wagnerrp:

the starting channel is set by selecting one from the dropdown

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wagnerrp:

channels must be scanned in

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TheAsp:

sweet

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TheAsp:

myth is talking to the box

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TheAsp:

no code changes needed

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GrahamIRC:

:-)

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Twiggy2cents:

Which sg in mythvideo is the covers?

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Twiggy2cents:

Artwork?

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wagnerrp:

coverart

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wagnerrp:

artwork is the backgrounds

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Twiggy2cents:

All these tricky codenames

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Twiggy2cents:

There isnt a coverart!

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Twiggy2cents:

I have Artwork, Banners, and Fanart

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wagnerrp:

then fanart is the backgrounds, artwork is what you think it is

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Twiggy2cents:

okay thanks

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Twiggy2cents:

did that change between releases?

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wagnerrp:

could be i simply didnt recall the names

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Twiggy2cents:

Well the wiki shows coverart as a sg. And I didnt have one.

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mattwj2002:

hi all

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mattwj2002:

:D

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Twiggy2cents:

Hey wagnerrp any idea why mythvideo, presumably out of nowhere, only plays recently added videos(last month or so) and also the others are missing their fanart and coverart. The rest just error out

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[R]:

"just error out" doesnt really say anything

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Twiggy2cents:

Yeah I am getting the logs

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Twiggy2cents:

Sorry for the premature question

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wagnerrp:

Twiggy2cents: rescan your content

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[R]:

im watching a show and this guy just said 'people will be impressed with the size of the "collection"' (my emphasis)

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** [R] snickers **

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Twiggy2cents:

r

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Twiggy2cents:

Oops hang on

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Twiggy2cents:

2011-10–04 22:23:38.098 UPnpMedia: BuildMediaMap VIDEO scan starting in :/media/mythdrv/Videos/:

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Twiggy2cents:

Should that be where my videos are held?

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Twiggy2cents:

That is not what my sg is set to

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wagnerrp:

that has nothing to do with mythvideo

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Twiggy2cents:

It comes up when I open open the videos so I wasnt sure

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Twiggy2cents:

I have no clue what happened. I changed my videos sg to a null point and then rescanned, then changed back and now it works

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[R]:

wagnerrp: SCORE

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[R]:

[mythtv] Unsubscribe

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wagnerrp:

saw it

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** wagnerrp muses on a script that intercepts such emails, congratulates users on their inability to read, and promptly subscribes them to porn mailers **

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[R]:

HAHA

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sphery:

wagnerrp: nice on the Llanos...

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sphery:

I've gotten behind on my tech news (and mythtv lists and ...)

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wagnerrp:

seems its a bit behind on the price/performance curve

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oobe is now known as `0OoOoO0OoOoO0`

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Twiggy2cents:

ugh.. Its the simple things

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Twiggy2cents:

I wanted to set up either the mythtv app or upnp on this touchpad my wife got.

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Twiggy2cents:

Turns out only supported formats are mpeg-4 H.264 H.263

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Twiggy2cents:

None of my videos are in that format

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Twiggy2cents:

I will just have to wait for android to be ported to it i guess

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sphery:

wagnerrp: did you see de karl's comment about http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hongkong.ini in #mythtv?

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sphery:

is it somethign we should delete?

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sphery:

I'm not sure if he was saying that it's config for a grabber that was rejected by xmltv or what?

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sphery:

(I'm guessing he means it's in violation of ToS, though... but not positive)

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wagnerrp:

no idea

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sphery:

guess we'll have to ask him about it when he's around, sometime

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wagnerrp:

should be back in a couple hours

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wagnerrp:

sphery: oh how many times have i experienced this.... http://smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2388

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k-man:

wagnerrp, yeah – I really don't understand why the couldn't have invented round usb plugs that can be inserted in any orientation

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dekarl:

sphery, wagnerrp: I was trying to subtly hint that there are web scrapers out there that openly violate the ToS. I'm not sure about the ToS of the site behind hongkong.ini as I wasn't able to find it quickly, but in general TVxb has all the sites that got dumped from xmltv. (it seems to have other features like converting xmltv to mxf, but that's not relevant in mythtv context)

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dekarl:

the question remains what to do with it? I can flag it all for deletion if that's the way to go

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wagnerrp:

i dont really understand what it is

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wagnerrp:

i mean if its an xmltv file, that should exist on the xmltv wiki, right?

[05:43:22]

dekarl:

it's a configuration file for a windows web guide scraper

[05:43:30]

wagnerrp:

so if nothing else, its basically the same thing as us removing all the tuner pages that were supposed to be on the linuxtv wiki

[05:43:53]

dekarl:

it's more like removing all pages hinting on softcams and the like

[05:44:03]

dekarl:

might be perfectly legal, but very likely is not

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wagnerrp:

dekarl: seems tvxb has been abandoned anyway

[06:10:50]

dekarl:

hmm, the last updates to the configurations are from early 2010, maybe it's just working?

[06:11:22]

dekarl:

oh, "Development Suspended" I see what you mean

[06:12:24]

dekarl:

anyway, they collect ad money which makes it a commercial offer ;)

[06:13:21]

wagnerrp:

hahaha

[06:13:24]

wagnerrp:

i didnt even notice

[06:13:32]

wagnerrp:

i have flash disabled to block those types of ads

[06:14:13]

wagnerrp:

s/to block those types of ads/to have a stable, modestly fast browsing experience/

[06:16:01]

dekarl:

I just enabled adblock when my news sites started to run intel ads that take the whole screen hostage...

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dekarl:

wasn't there someone who wanted to collect non-EIT EPG data from OTA/SAT? Maybe just wrapping this project into a script would have worked, too http://sourceforge.net/projects/epgcollector/

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justinh:

ugh. mplayer. sheesh. if you guys run into issues using the internal player for pete's sakes report them. external player support is going away

[06:30:23]

justinh:

"Unfortunately the recording still had the same 3 seconds loss :(

[06:30:37]

justinh:

". Doofus. 3 seconds?! who's gonna moan about 3 seconds?

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justinh:

what next? Hey I set this recording up, and it went ahead just fine but the resulting file is one frame too long

[06:31:32]

justinh:

I mean, ONE FRAME!

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dekarl:

but it was a nice frame!

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justinh:

God, I'd love to see that guy's letter to Sky after he has to get an engineer out when his Sky+ PVR is 3 weeks out of warranty & he has to lose all his recordings, including PPV stuff he hasn't watched yet

[06:37:58]

dekarl:

actually his original question was not that bad "how can I avoid that in back to back recordings on the same channel"... I'd love to reply "just use padding" but that's not working with or without multirec :(

[06:39:13]

justinh:

meh. he needs MOARTUNRZ

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dekarl:

and he must turn off multirec on them?

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justinh:

I've never really run into any issues even using multirec. sure it's a small annoyance for stuff like Family Guy on BBC Three – which always seems to run 10 minutes late

[06:41:39]

justinh:

but none of this is mythtv's fault really. if TV channels showed stuff ON TIME

[06:42:44]

dekarl:

That's never gonna happen :) (Due to the wrong kind of business plan)

[06:43:01]

justinh:

advertisers should whoop their asses

[06:43:15]

justinh:

"hey, I paid for my ad to be shown at X o clock..."

[06:43:43]

dekarl:

lol, "people go pee while my ads are on because they're late!"

[06:44:08]

justinh:

I still haven't seen a satisfactory explanation from Red Bee Media who do all the BBC's playout as to why stuff ends up being shown late on a channel that doesn't generally show live material

[06:45:45]

dekarl:

Is it being shown late? Or are you just looking at a guide that is aligned to nice looking times (or similar)

[06:46:46]

justinh:

it's generally pretty late. you really couldn't set your watch by it

[06:46:55]

justinh:

5–10 minutes. every day

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dekarl:

I've just been looking at a guide that carries multiple start times (guide start, vps start...) between 1 and 20 minutes between them...

[06:47:57]

justinh:

I think it'd be worthwhile getting mythtv to look for the start signals in the DVB stuff, even if I have to lose 7 days' worth of EPG data – which to be honest is mostly just generic anyway after the 1st 7 days

[06:48:00]

dekarl:

if it's always late, couldn't the grabber adjust? (that's a topic that I've been thinking about on and off. Seeing the true PTS / recorded time stamp would be nice for that)

[06:48:34]

dekarl:

The EIT now and next are not any better in my experience

[06:48:43]

justinh:

oh in the UK it's s**t hot

[06:49:20]

dekarl:

do you get guide data via MHEG?

[06:49:30]

justinh:

something overruns, EIT gets updated – and there are headers to signify show start/end

[06:49:43]

dekarl:

that's the theory :)

[06:50:06]

justinh:

they're used as part of the TVAnytime platform, aka Freeview+, formerly Freeview Playback – for more reliable DVR operation

[06:51:01]

justinh:

they put markers in trailers now, so you can set up a series linked recording when you see a trail for something

[06:51:05]

dekarl:

if you get your guide in tva you should be using that over eit (based on reading the specs) http://sourceforge.net/projects/epgcollector/

[06:51:08]

justinh:

I WANT

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justinh:

myth can supposedly alter the scheduler based on EIT updates

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dekarl:

It can and it's even working in principle

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justinh:

but I dunno if the EIT data is updated that much. I know for sure the show start/end stuff will always be there

[06:52:44]

justinh:

might bin xmltv on BBC Three & four

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justinh:

I might even bin it all. the movie reviews are... meh. the TV show reviews often have spoilers. and they're always too long

[06:53:24]

dekarl:

might be worth a test. Mixed EIT / xmltv setup works fine over here. (selected on a per channel base)

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justinh:

I already use EIT for some channels – all the DVB radio channels, e.g.

[06:54:22]

justinh:

as for the reviews.. pfft. It's only opinion.

[06:54:52]

dekarl:

over here the consistency of EIT data between channels is non-existant as every station tries to cram the same information into the 2 given fields in another way...

[06:55:21]

dekarl:

need to check if any station is actually using the extended event descriptor for custom fields

[06:56:15]

justinh:

reminds me I seriously need to look at making myth's dvb parser capable of more PID filtering so I can save recording space

[06:56:29]

justinh:

I don't want AD or subtitles

[06:56:54]

justinh:

even the shows without actual AD seem to have an AD stream

[06:57:36]

justinh:

then again though.. dunno if anybody's ever tried listening to the AD track when ads are on...

[06:57:54]

dekarl:

ohhh, AD!

[06:58:04]

justinh:

heh

[06:58:29]

dekarl:

but the stupid STBs don't want you to dynamically add/remove channels... The have a hard time supporting dynamic PMT already

[06:58:43]

justinh:

yeah. the track which goes "Doctor Who is boring again. This episode looks like it was written by a Blue Peter competition winner. AGAIN"

[06:59:16]

dekarl:

"A globe appears in the light" "Letters fly in spelling Uni..." :)

[06:59:36]

dekarl:

mythtranscode picking the AD track sometimes when losslessly transcoding can be... surprising

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justinh:

I've never seen it do that

[07:01:59]

justinh:

might only happen when the primary stream is the wrong one

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justinh:

or the 1st stream...

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dekarl:

Does it parse the flags, like AD, at all?

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justinh:

I dunno

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dekarl:

any gotta run, the NZ community hinted that above program can pull MHEG5 guide data and emit it in xmltv format, might be worth a look

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jm|laptop:

jya: great! Thanks.

[08:02:25]

jya:

jm|laptop: I'm done with the fixes I wanted to commit, about to push. So this patch is next

[08:02:34]

jya:

are you running master or fixes/0.24

[08:02:45]

jm|laptop:

hmm not sure

[08:02:54]

jm|laptop:

MythTV Version : v0.24.1

[08:03:08]

jm|laptop:

MythTV Branch :

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jya:

i'm not too keen on back porting this to 0.24 when master/0.25 is so close

[08:10:07]

jya:

we'll see

[08:10:10]

jm|laptop:

:(

[08:11:05]

justinh:

jya: did that guy with 24-bit audio problems bump into you? his soundcard only accepts 32-bit audio apparently

[08:11:36]

jya:

justinh: myth properly handle 32 bits audio

[08:11:48]

justinh:

jya: I had a quick dip into audiooutputalsa but I couldn't see anything about myth padding bits in

[08:11:54]

jya:

actually, there isn't such thing as 32 bits audio… it's 24 bits audio encoded on 32 bits float

[08:11:57]

jya:

which is really 24 bits

[08:12:15]

justinh:

yeah 32 bit files worked fine, but trying to play 24-bit resulted in white noise

[08:12:22]

jya:

ALSA accepts either 8 bits, 16bits or 32 bits

[08:12:34]

justinh:

ah. that I didn't know

[08:12:53]

jya:

justinh: the issue must be elsewhere… because myth fully supports 32 bits output as used per alsa

[08:13:24]

jya:

i have seen cards that do handle 24 bits (3 bytes) sample

[08:13:33]

justinh:

so if he's looking for bit-perfect 24-bit file playback he shouldn't be using alsa then

[08:13:42]

jm|laptop:

jya: how close?

[08:13:45]

jya:

it's mainly USB audio card

[08:14:15]

jya:

justinh: course he can use ALSA, just that alas takes 32 bits integer in place of floats

[08:14:23]

jya:

it's pretty much the float value * 32768

[08:15:47]

jya:

jm|laptop: hopefully by the end of the day

[08:16:15]

justinh:

ok, so alsa only accepts 8, 16 or 32 bits.. so if the player is trying to do 24-bit & only passing 24 bits to alsa...

[08:16:47]

justinh:

jya: the verbose he showed me seemed to show that's what myth was doing. it'll be in the channel log somewhere

[08:16:52]

jya:

justinh: under most circumstances, ffmpeg decoding 24 bits audio pad those on 32 bits signed integers

[08:17:10]

jm|laptop:

jya: is that a 'release'? I tried v0.25pre-3437-gaa38944-dirty from git and had a nightmare :/

[08:17:15]

jya:

one possibility is that there's a bug in the alas drive

[08:17:30]

jya:

that is myth work in floats internally

[08:17:41]

jm|laptop:

but then iamstupid.com

[08:18:16]

jya:

if ALSA reports that the cards supports floats output, it will output float directly because that's what is used internally and as such is faster (you don't need to perform any conversion)

[08:18:22]

justinh:

jm|laptop: justinh: 2011–10–03 12:19:56.274 AO: Opening audio device 'iec958:CARD=EWX2496,DEV=0' ch 2(2) sr 48000 sf signed 24 bit MSB reenc 0

[08:18:25]

justinh:

[13:28:53] mxc: justinh: 2011–10–03 12:19:56.276 ALSA: SetParameters(format=6, channels=2, rate=48000, buffer_time=500000, period_time=4)

[08:18:32]

justinh:

[13:29:44] mxc: justinh: 2011–10–03 12:19:56.273 AO: Original codec was FLAC, signed 24 bit MSB, 48 kHz, 2 channels

[08:18:41]

justinh:

for jya ^^.. not jm|laptop

[08:18:51]

jm|laptop:

I'll pass it on

[08:19:22]

jya:

if the audio cards only takes 32 bits output, then myth will convert the float to S32 as required

[08:19:56]

jya:

if it opens the cards for float output, the issue is with the alsa drivers reporting incorrect data

[08:19:59]

justinh:

maybe the encoding was bad. the source was.. how shall I say.. a 'vinyl rip'

[08:20:03]

jya:

this is where the fix should be done

[08:20:06]

jya:

no myth.

[08:20:13]

jya:

no no

[08:20:25]

jya:

if you read :Opening audio device 'iec958:CARD=EWX2496,DEV=0' ch 2(2) sr 48000 sf signed 24 bit MSB

[08:20:38]

jya:

it's because the card reported supporting that format

[08:20:49]

justinh:

yeah that's what I figured

[08:21:07]

justinh:

I meant that maybe the format in the file was marked wrong

[08:21:34]

jya:

no that's not what is happening

[08:21:34]

jya:

brb

[08:21:41]

jya:

I have to hide says my kids

[08:21:50]

jm|laptop:

cute

[08:22:03]

jm|laptop:

jya: will it be in fixes/0.24 ?

[08:22:08]

justinh:

heheh

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justinh:

jya: thanks for taking a quick look anyhow. I figured if anybody'd know you would

[08:23:54]

justinh:

you're probably right about it being alsa's fault. the card in question is one of those silly esoteric 'audiophile' things – which isn't actually that good in practise. 99dB S:N for a 32-bit card is a waste IMHO

[08:25:36]

justinh:

oh FFS, my does NX keep messing up font handling resulting in no text showing up?

[08:26:00]

justinh:

s/my/why

[08:27:20]

jm|laptop:

justinh: following v4 development? Looks like there are some neat things coming up

[08:27:27]

jya:

back

[08:27:46]

justinh:

v4?

[08:27:51]

jya:

justinh: how myth is trying to open the audio card is usually unrelated to how the original format was

[08:28:13]

jm|laptop:

justinh: NX as in nomachine?

[08:28:25]

justinh:

jm|laptop: no, I just use it. I don't follow development

[08:28:40]

jya:

myth works in float internally, whenever any processing is required (like resampling, upmix, downmix, timestretch, format conversion etc)

[08:28:55]

jya:

even if the original file was 16 bits audio

[08:29:25]

jya:

when it comes to output, myth check what the cards can accept. if it accepts floats, it will use this before anything else because there's no re-conversion required

[08:29:48]

jya:

if the card doesn't support floats output, but support S32, it will use S32

[08:29:49]

justinh:

right. so if anything it'd be down to alsa incorrectly reporting what the card accepts

[08:29:56]

jya:

that's right

[08:30:36]

justinh:

it was a fun diversion for a few minutes ;)

[08:30:42]

jya:

jm|laptop: what was wrong with your'e 0.24pre bit ?

[08:30:47]

jya:

that's a mac version no ?

[08:31:20]

jm|laptop:

jya: Debian?

[08:31:45]

jya:

justinh: I see that he's using IEC958, so SNR or audio quality is irrelevant with this card

[08:32:12]

jya:

this is a digital output, that it reports float as output is weird indeed, IEC958 is S16 bits only

[08:32:30]

justinh:

yeah but still... £150 for something you're only gonna use SPDIF on.. heh

[08:32:50]

jya:

yes, it's a bit of a waste… the built-in audio chip would have been just as good

[08:32:59]

jm|laptop:

jya: my databae wouldn't upgrade and I got strange looking SQL prepared statement errors

[08:33:10]

jya:

having said that, my local audio shop, as digital "transport" CD player

[08:33:23]

jya:

like $5k for a CD player, and all it does is digital output

[08:33:29]

jya:

but it sounds nicer :P

[08:33:48]

jya:

have you run 0.25 on your system already?

[08:34:01]

jya:

you won't be able to go back to 0.24, unless you restore your database

[08:34:06]

jya:

to pre-conversion

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jm|laptop:

jya: I did that

[08:34:25]

jm|laptop:

and reinstalled from the 0.24.1 tarball on the main site

[08:34:34]

jm|laptop:

we're back to normal now

[08:35:06]

jm|laptop:

although I haven't done 0.24 fixes from git, yet

[08:35:22]

jm|laptop:

but if you're going to commit that patch I should wait until you do, right?

[08:35:30]

justinh:

always makes me laugh when people put special feet on stuff & all the crazy things hifi nuts do

[08:35:30]

jya:

sphery: is the person to ask whenever it comes down to database issue

[08:36:18]

jya:

justinh: that "transport" bit is on marble, very heavy weight on top, stabilisation bit etc.. looks quite nice actually

[08:36:57]

jya:

jm|laptop: if i commit that patch, you will have to wait for people to package a new version (debian is quite slow there) or build it yourself

[08:37:10]

jm|laptop:

jya: I am happy to build myself

[08:37:16]

jm|laptop:

I am not using the packages

[08:37:17]

justinh:

jya: prolly costs more than the studio CD recorder the master was got from

[08:37:39]

justinh:

& I bet they don't put marble slabs anywhere near those :P

[08:38:00]

justinh:

whatever makes them happy. fetishists

[08:38:02]

jya:

you look at fancy amp

[08:38:15]

jya:

with gold output, recommending silver cables etc..

[08:38:29]

jya:

internally, it's all using the same copper tracks like anyone else

[08:38:43]

justinh:

heh

[08:38:45]

jm|laptop:

and bulging capacitors?

[08:39:14]

justinh:

no, capacitors hand-made by albino dwarves

[08:41:34]

justinh:

I wouldn't care – the 'DAC' he was using is an upsampling DSP thing anyway, using $12 DACs for output

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jm|laptop:

jya: am I right in thinking the audio problem is with playback, so if the patch is applied to 0.24[-fixes?] I need only rebuild my FRONTends?

[08:47:27]

jya:

yes, the issue is in the FFMpeg code

[08:47:41]

jya:

the problem is that 0.24 doesn't use the same ffmpeg code as 0.25

[08:47:49]

jm|laptop:

not having to rebuild backends is surely a plus

[08:47:54]

jya:

so a backport may not be simple

[08:48:01]

jm|laptop:

yeah, I sort of noticed that when seeing if I could patch 0.24

[08:48:07]

jm|laptop:

jya: will gladly help you with testing :D

[08:48:45]

jya:

ahah, got an email from Microsoft about the oncoming windows 7.5

[08:48:48]

jya:

Windows 7.5: new feature number 5: Multitasking: Play music in the background and quickly switch between apps

[08:48:52]

jya:

awesome!

[08:49:05]

jm|laptop:

in the /background/ !

[08:49:09]

justinh:

without stuttering?!

[08:49:11]

justinh:

OMG

[08:49:23]

jm|laptop:

I'm totally buying it

[08:49:43]

justinh:

my vista laptop couldn't play an mp3 without borking. vista had to go

[08:50:00]

justinh:

some guy at work told me to "let it bed in for a few days"

[08:50:19]

justinh:

screw that. I buy a brand new bit of kit, I don't want to give the recently installed OS time to 'bed in'

[08:50:56]

jm|laptop:

I'm not sure an OS works quite like an internal combustion engine

[08:53:05]

jya:

"bed in" ?

[08:53:08]

justinh:

he was on about letting windows' indexing do its thing

[08:53:09]

jm|laptop:

jya: would a fiscal incentive help?

[08:53:26]

jya:

some people think you need to burn-in your speaker cables...

[08:53:41]

justinh:

I turned off all the indexing junk & it was still running like a dog

[08:53:42]

jya:

jm|laptop: my donation starting fee is around $4900

[08:53:56]

jya:

and yes it would probably help

[08:54:08]

jm|laptop:

that's rather precise – what do you have in mind? :)

[08:54:21]

jya:

I think rounding at $5k will do

[08:55:20]

jya:

to be honest, there's nothing that could make you feel as bad as people wanting you to do something for them (which you would have done for free anyway), only to find later that they made a "donation" of $5

[08:55:32]

jya:

is that what they think my effort was worth?

[08:55:45]

jm|laptop:

no

[08:55:48]

jya:

i prefer nothing by far...

[08:55:56]

justinh:

I couldn't possibly say what folks used to donate for my themes. it was generally more than $20 though

[08:55:58]

jm|laptop:

karma goes a long way

[08:56:11]

jya:

last time, someone reported to me a bug, it took me 2 days to track and fix it

[08:56:14]

justinh:

and it still wasn't enough to make me want to continue

[08:56:17]

jya:

and he sent me $20

[08:56:56]

justinh:

I think my hourly rate still worked out at something like $2 when all was said & done.

[08:57:00]

jm|laptop:

you can't put a price on a job well done :)

[08:57:21]

jya:

precisely… so don't insult me by putting a $1/hour pricetag :)

[08:57:29]

jm|laptop:

I didn't!

[08:57:34]

jya:

just ranting

[08:58:10]

jya:

i don't do it for the money… if I did, I would have stopped a long time ago, and I'm sure all the other myth dev are in the same position

[08:58:24]

jya:

nothing can buy the amount of hours and dedication they are putting in

[08:58:38]

** justinh is still waiting for the tech support pay cheque for sitting in here **

[08:58:41]

jya:

</rant>

[08:59:10]

jm|laptop:

Ah the joys of open source and collaborative development :)

[08:59:32]

justinh:

and even if people do start donating realistic amounts of money.. then it can feel like work, so you may be less inclined to do anything

[08:59:36]

** jm|laptop sports his 'Devs rule' cap **

[09:00:05]

jm|laptop:

justinh: yeah. Even a small payment makes you think you should do a 'good' job

[09:00:18]

justinh:

no, a small payment is like a kick in the teeth

[09:00:54]

justinh:

surprisingly, it does more harm than a simple "gee, thanks. you saved me quite a headache"

[09:01:51]

jm|laptop:

swmbo would be delighted if she had sound on her HD programs

[09:01:57]

jm|laptop:

"why did you switch?! It worked before!"

[09:02:22]

jm|laptop:

and worse "if you don't know how to fix it why not leave well alone"

[09:02:27]

justinh:

FWIW it's easy for anybody outside to say "well, I'd be $5 better off".. but once you're the one putting the graft in – different story

[09:02:32]

jm|laptop:

way to show my C inadequacies

[09:03:20]

justinh:

swmbo in my house doesn't care that much

[09:03:47]

justinh:

she tries to give it to me in my neck if mythtv fails at something, but I just say "how is that MY fault?"

[09:04:47]

jm|laptop:

sounds like it's M for mustn't in your house :)

[09:04:53]

jm|laptop:

swnbo

[09:05:53]

justinh:

sure, I restart the backend if it falls over.. but there's nothing I can do about a failed recording after it's failed :D

[09:06:33]

justinh:

which btw it hasn't done since I went back to building it myself. heh

[09:08:09]

jm|laptop:

iplayer has saved my bacon once or twice

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jm|laptop:

justinh: cron monitors my backend and tries CPR if it falls over

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[09:10:57]

justinh:

no use for the problem I had

[09:11:05]

justinh:

it was deadlocking

[09:12:01]

jm|laptop:

:S

[09:12:40]

jya:

oh oh.. new House is here

[09:12:46]

jya:

may postponed any backports :)

[09:13:26]

jm|laptop:

nooooooo

[09:14:02]

jm|laptop:

it's lupus. Now you don't need to watch it

[09:14:14]

jya:

I told you $5k would help :)

[09:14:42]

jm|laptop:

so you could buy Hugh Laurie?

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[09:16:03]

jya:

he probably makes $1M per episode..

[09:16:15]

jya:

takes me a full year for that

[09:24:02]

jm|laptop:

jya: if you commit to 0.25 I will try to update but I might need some handholding if it goes awry

[09:24:21]

justinh:

hand-holiding is $20 an hour extra

[09:24:42]

jm|laptop:

I meant metaphorically

[09:24:52]

jm|laptop:

I wish I'd never mentioned money :/

[09:24:59]

jm|laptop:

I was only being sarcastic

[09:27:02]

jya:

jm|laptop: what i would probably do however, is backport that fix to my special jyavenard/backports/fixes/0.24 branch

[09:27:18]

jya:

you can always use that straight in place of your 0.24

[09:27:38]

jm|laptop:

were it not for House?

[09:28:15]

justinh:

what's the problem anyway? BBC HD borked things up again?

[09:28:33]

justinh:

if I was going looking for a reason to not adpot HD...

[09:28:39]

jm|laptop:

justinh: http://ffmpeg.org/trac/ffmpeg/ticket/200

[09:28:39]

justinh:

*adopt

[09:28:58]

jya:

justinh: ffmpeg doesn't properly handle AAC audio when the number of channels change half-way

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[09:29:26]

jm|laptop:

didn't

[09:29:43]

justinh:

heh

[09:30:13]

jm|laptop:

jya: does your branch incorporate -fixes?

[09:30:32]

jya:

this branch is 0.24 + what I wanted from master

[09:30:43]

jm|laptop:

I wish I were cleverer

[09:30:47]

jya:

without breaking compatibility with fixes/0.24

[09:31:35]

jm|laptop:

do you credit yourself :)

[09:32:29]

jm|laptop:

the 0.24-fixes README is great

[09:32:36]

justinh:

hahah there's really a mythtvtalk forum user called Mike Hunt

[09:32:51]

jm|laptop:

... I don't get it

[09:33:08]

jya:

some people have a rude mind that's all

[09:33:27]

justinh:

in denmark, I doubt that is his real name

[09:33:53]

justinh:

anyway, too much despair in that forum. I have to remain away

[09:37:22]

** jm|laptop watches commits **

[09:38:50]

hashbang:

heyas

[09:40:03]

jm|laptop:

hi

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[09:52:35]

justinh:

looks like the audio fix is quite simple

[09:53:54]

jm|laptop:

.... go on

[09:54:26]

justinh:

like 3 lines

[09:54:34]

justinh:

http://git.videolan.org/?p=ffmpeg.git;a=blobd . . . 9be3c09ee59c

[09:54:54]

jm|laptop:

oh – against 0.25 ffmpeg

[09:56:55]

jm|laptop:

yes, I compiled with that patch but then had the whole database catastrophe

[09:59:40]

justinh:

so why not just try again?

[09:59:59]

justinh:

looks like backporting LATM enabled ffmpeg into mythtv 0.24 will be a bit of a pig

[10:02:14]

jm|laptop:

justinh: I will wait for jya to commit it first, I think

[10:02:24]

jm|laptop:

and/or use his magic branch

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[10:11:53]

jya:

jm|laptop: that changeset didn't apply on 0.24 ffmpeg ?

[10:12:53]

jm|laptop:

I'm not sure what you're asking me iamstupid.com

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[10:13:41]

jm|laptop:

jya: are you asking me or telling me :)

[10:13:47]

jya:

asking

[10:13:53]

jya:

hence the '?'

[10:14:43]

justinh:

the patch in that link I just posted wouldn't apply to 0.24 ffmpeg, no

[10:14:51]

justinh:

completely different code

[10:17:22]

jya:

it is...

[10:17:39]

jm|laptop:

what is?

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[10:20:18]

** jm|laptop compiles 0.24.1-fixes **

[10:24:01]

jya:

backporting this to 0.24 is going to be a bitch...

[10:24:56]

jya:

there has been over 145 commit to that code since 0.24

[10:26:09]

jm|laptop:

A challenger appears!

[10:27:17]

jya:

nah, that's way to much.. no way this will be bacported to 0.24

[10:29:04]

jm|laptop:

jya: so which 0.25 branch should I git?

[10:29:11]

jya:

master

[10:29:44]

jm|laptop:

have you committed the patch, yet?

[10:29:50]

jya:

no

[10:30:03]

jya:

because there's also much changes since the version in master

[10:30:06]

jm|laptop:

git clone git://github.com/MythTV/mythtv.git not that one?

[10:30:16]

jya:

that's not master

[10:30:18]

jm|laptop:

ah

[10:30:19]

jya:

that's just the git repo

[10:30:22]

jya:

this is not svn

[10:30:25]

jm|laptop:

maybe that's my mistake

[10:30:40]

jya:

have you already cloned the git repo ?

[10:30:57]

jm|laptop:

let's pretend I have not

[10:31:03]

jya:

if you had

[10:31:11]

jya:

you just type git checkout git

[10:31:21]

jm|laptop:

git clone -b fixes/0.24 git://github.com/MythTV/mythtv.git << I just did this

[10:31:36]

jya:

then you type

[10:31:44]

jya:

git checkout master

[10:32:34]

jm|laptop:

Switched to a new branch 'master'

[10:33:06]

jya:

amazing !

[10:33:21]

jya:

so now you're in master

[10:33:46]

jm|laptop:

I need to patch that file? I usually do this manually because my diffs usually fail because iamstupid.com

[10:34:48]

jya:

you just apply that patch

[10:37:02]

** jm|laptop backs up mythconverg database **

[10:37:31]

** jm|laptop manually edits aacdec.c **

[10:38:27]

jm|laptop:

make[1]: *** No rule to make target `libavcodec/x86/dsputil_h264_template_mmx.c', needed by `libavcodec/x86/dsputil_mmx.o'. Stop.

[10:38:30]

jm|laptop:

:'(

[10:39:08]

jm|laptop:

I did --enable-libx264 is this wrong?

[10:40:18]

justinh:

wha? why would you even need to enable that?

[10:40:52]

jm|laptop:

um

[10:42:08]

jm|laptop:

to enable H.264 encoding via x264?

[10:42:16]

justinh:

if it doesn't appear in ./configure --help it probably isn't a good idea

[10:42:28]

jm|laptop:

it does!

[10:42:33]

jm|laptop:

mythffmpeg options (These only affect the internal ffmpeg binary, not MythTV):

[10:42:45]

jm|laptop:

I figured I needed them ....

[10:43:49]

** jm|laptop tries without **

[10:44:21]

justinh:

what are you doing compiling only mythffmpeg?

[10:44:29]

jm|laptop:

I didn't realise I was

[10:44:43]

jya:

at the root of the mythtv folder

[10:44:44]

jm|laptop:

I thought it was part of the Great Compilation

[10:45:04]

justinh:

anyway, don't enable that. seen people shouted at for that here

[10:45:13]

jya:

well, you are indeed in trouble :)

[10:45:24]

** jm|laptop shakes **

[10:45:26]

justinh:

it's not even as if as myth can transcode to that format anyway

[10:45:41]

jm|laptop:

it is removed. Let us talk no more of it

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[10:45:44]

jya:

have you ever compiled mythtv before ?

[10:45:49]

jm|laptop:

jya: yes

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jya:

really??

[10:45:57]

jm|laptop:

:(

[10:46:05]

justinh:

after editing the file, go back to 'mythtv'

[10:46:22]

justinh:

then ./configure , then make... yada yada

[10:46:24]

jya:

go back into the mythtv folder

[10:46:30]

jya:

type git reset --hard HEAD

[10:46:36]

jya:

and let's start from a clean slate

[10:46:44]

jm|laptop:

jya: you're kind. Please hold.

[10:47:03]

jm|laptop:

HEAD is now at 0acff82 Consistency with other help text.

[10:47:35]

jya:

that's not the latest git

[10:47:37]

jya:

do git pull

[10:48:02]

jm|laptop:

jya: when you say 'mythtv' do you mean [/usr/src/]mythtv or [/usr/src/]mythtv/mythtv ?

[10:48:20]

jya:

i don't know where you extracted the mythtv source code

[10:48:25]

jya:

so whereever that is

[10:48:41]

jya:

say you cloned the git mythtv in the folder git

[10:48:46]

jya:

that would be git/mythtv

[10:49:09]

jm|laptop:

I was in /usr/src and it made mythtv/ for me

[10:49:48]

jm|laptop:

/usr/src# ls mythtv

[10:49:48]

jm|laptop:

authors.map checksums mythplugins mythtv README themestringstool

[10:50:43]

jm|laptop:

# git pull

[10:50:43]

jm|laptop:

Already up-to-date.

[10:51:22]

jya:

if 0acff82 is your last update, you aren't

[10:51:25]

jm|laptop:

e1fa6b4..93c00e2 jyavenard/backports/fixes/0.24 -> origin/jyavenard/backports/fixes/0.24 I think I might not have master

[10:51:38]

jya:

sigh

[10:51:41]

jya:

git checkout master

[10:51:53]

jya:

that's like the 4th time I said to do that

[10:52:43]

jm|laptop:

I'm sorry

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[10:59:03]

jm|laptop:

# git checkout master

[10:59:03]

jm|laptop:

Already on 'master'

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jm|laptop:

mythtv# git reset --hard HEAD

[11:00:49]

jm|laptop:

HEAD is now at afbbb6e Fix possible audio corruption.

[11:00:56]

jm|laptop:

jya: how does that look now?

[11:01:05]

jya:

that's better

[11:01:39]

jya:

apply this patch

[11:01:40]

jya:

http://pastebin.com/YVMnFStM

[11:01:57]

elkin:

hi, I am trying to understand the logic behing the flash player. Where does the player get the information which aspect ratio the recording is? The recordedmarkup table?

[11:01:58]

jya:

with patch -p2 inside the mythtv folder

[11:04:28]

justinh:

the unsupported, experimental flash player :P

[11:04:53]

justinh:

I think that's been fixed in master anyway

[11:05:48]

jm|laptop:

patching file external/FFmpeg/libavcodec/aacdec.c

[11:06:05]

elkin:

justinh: yes! I am on master... just wanted to know where mythweb gets the aspect ratio data from.

[11:07:05]

jm|laptop:

jya: ok – now configure make yadda yadda?

[11:07:19]

jya:

what I usually do for testing

[11:07:21]

jya:

is this:

[11:07:31]

jya:

sudo mkdir /usr/local/mythtv-trunk

[11:07:48]

jya:

sudo chown your_user_name /usr/local/mythtv-trunk

[11:08:00]

jya:

then run configure with

[11:08:07]

jya:

./configure --prefix=/usr/local/mythtv-trunk

[11:08:17]

jya:

so you can keep a separate copy of mythtv-trunk

[11:08:44]

jya:

to run it you do:

[11:09:40]

jya:

LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/mythtv-trunk/lib /usr/local/mythtv-trunk/bin/mythfrontend

[11:09:52]

** jm|laptop writes this down **

[11:10:13]

jm|laptop:

jya: I need to do the backend first though, right?

[11:11:13]

jya:

this is going to compile the whole lot

[11:11:32]

jya:

so there is no need to do anything special, just the way you start the backend

[11:12:01]

jya:

what you could do, is simply work from the debian package

[11:12:07]

jya:

and repackage it with the changes

[11:12:13]

jya:

apt-get source mythtv

[11:12:40]

jya:

then add the patch to the patch stack

[11:12:45]

jya:

and rebuild the package

[11:13:36]

** jm|laptop tinkers **

[11:14:12]

elkin:

justinh: maybe I need to rephrase, can (should?) the aspect ratio be stored in recordedmarkup?

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justinh:

how hard is it for somebody to look at the source code anyway? sheesh

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jm|laptop:

>.<

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** justinh goes back to making his non-sucky theme **

[12:20:30]

jm|laptop:

justinh: do you have a gallery of themes one can peruse?

[12:21:14]

justinh:

no. I haven't released anything for ages & the jury's still out about whether I'll bother releasing this one

[12:21:33]

jm|laptop:

what if we gave you $4900? ;)

[12:22:40]

justinh:

nah. no amount of money is worth the aggro of users emailing me

[12:23:22]

k-man:

whats that python script called for controlling mythfrontend over the network?

[12:23:49]

justinh:

python script for that?

[12:24:08]

k-man:

I think it was python, could be something else

[12:24:27]

justinh:

http://www.telemedia.ch/publ/myth-telnet.html – this?

[12:24:28]

k-man:

there was definately a script for controlling the frontend over the network

[12:24:31]

justinh:

looks a bit shoddy

[12:25:01]

k-man:

no, its a terminal mode thing

[12:25:22]

k-man:

it just intercepts the key press, and sends the appropriate network command to mytthv

[12:25:26]

justinh:

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=w . . . &cad=rja

[12:25:59]

justinh:

my google-fu is awesome

[12:26:11]

k-man:

ah, found it http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythremctl.py

[12:26:33]

justinh:

sigh

[12:27:01]

justinh:

what's wrong with using mythweb anyway?

[12:29:32]

k-man:

justinh, I don't feel like installing it just to test out the fe problem I'm having

[12:33:55]

k-man:

any ideas how I might diagnose this issue with the fe, after I enter a screen like setup/general in the fe, once I exit the screen all key presses just give me a beep (on OSX)

[12:34:21]

k-man:

but the FE is not hung as it still accepts commands over the network interface

[12:34:38]

k-man:

maybe its some sort of focus issue?

[12:36:01]

justinh:

maybe

[12:38:01]

k-man:

hmm... I should install OSX Snow Leopard and see if it happens there

[12:40:11]

justinh:

eep. upgrading OS to fix a focus issue? heh

[12:40:47]

k-man:

oh no, I mean install it in a vm. I have enough hdd space now since I upgraded my hdd on my mac

[12:42:02]

k-man:

justinh, it will also be useful for testing my build script

[13:12:02]

justinh:

wahahaha. libcec looks for a usb serial port with a certain ID

[13:13:55]

wagnerrp:

that sounds... hackish...

[13:14:11]

wagnerrp:

it runs off a USB->serial chip?

[13:15:41]

justinh:

looking at the code for clues

[13:15:51]

justinh:

seems at least some aspects of it are usb-serial

[13:18:44]

justinh:

yeah the code is looking for an available COM Port

[13:19:01]

justinh:

to give the device a name. heh

[13:20:54]

Moscherkobold:

hello, i have a problem here maybe someone can help me

[13:21:24]

Moscherkobold:

when i switch channel in livetv frontend i get the following error

[13:22:23]

Moscherkobold:

"error opening jump program file"

[13:22:31]

Moscherkobold:

here is a part of my backendlog

[13:22:32]

Moscherkobold:

http://paste.ubuntu.com/702748/

[13:23:01]

justinh:

wagnerrp: ahh. there's talk of it uploading a bootloader.

[13:24:42]

justinh:

wagnerrp: ah but then again.. they include serialport.h

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justinh:

oh no not upload ubootloader. merely starting a bootloader. heh

[13:31:47]

** justinh suspects there's a USB AVR at play here **

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jm|laptop:

>.<

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jm|laptop:

so that patch sort of works

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jm|laptop:

but for a blip every time it changes samplerate

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Moscherkobold:

any suggestion what I can do?

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** justinh doesn't use livetv so can't suggest anything **

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justinh:

wagnerrp: a photo of it being developed looks a lot like an Olimex AVR-USB-162 :-)

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justinh:

hmm can't see a binary file anywhere in thei git repo so I'm guessing bootloader mode is something to let them waggle pins directly

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justinh:

so they're sending strings to a USB serial port at 38400 baud

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justinh:

their micro must then be doing the comms, and sending stuff back to the PC

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justinh:

so it's not *that* hackish

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justinh:

HA! AVR-USB-162 indeed! :-D He asked for help on a forum about how to use the timers

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jm|laptop:

hmm

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jm|laptop:

which --arch and --target_os should I use for ppc on Linux? --arch=ppc --target_os=linux ?

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iamlindoro:

You shouldn't be using either argument

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jm|laptop:

oh :|

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iamlindoro:

./configure --prefix=/path/to/prefix --enable-proc-opts

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jm|laptop:

I'm trying to cross-compile for powerpc on my amd64

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iamlindoro:

If you try to force arch, cpu, os, you will just end up with unusable binaries

[14:53:07]

iamlindoro:

with random crashes

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iamlindoro:

why?

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jm|laptop:

because my powerpc machine is rather slow

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jm|laptop:

and my amd64 is much faster

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jm|laptop:

and I guess I'm impatient :/

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iamlindoro:

You are far more likely to produce garbage trying to cross compile

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jm|laptop:

ok

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iamlindoro:

compile it properly, with proc-opts, on the ppc, and just go for a walk or something

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jm|laptop:

:)

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wagnerrp:

wait, if you have a much newer machine to compile on, why are you even bothering running your backend on a PPC?

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justinh:

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmbecause!

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: looks like i accidentally inverted the logic on those *GrabberWorks() methods

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wagnerrp:

testing currently, should commit shortly

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lapion:

jm|laptop, running ubuntu on your ppc system ?

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lapion:

ubuntu 11.04 has a udev bug, stop the udev process

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lapion:

ubuntu 11.04 powerpc has a udev bug, stop the udev process

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jm|laptop:

lapion: Debian

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wagnerrp:

is PPC still a primary support playform?

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: weve got a ppc buildbot... is there anything in the build system for describing the system configuration so users can reporoduce it?

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TheAsp_:

wagnerrp: do you know if anyone is actually interested in my mpeg4 over firewire situation? looks like i have a working setup with the cable box... test-mpeg2 writes out h264 into an mpeg-ts stream. myth doesn't appear to like it for live tv, will try a recording when i get home.

[17:02:00]

wagnerrp:

TheAsp_: thats likely something that will only be of interest to other canadians

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wagnerrp:

down here south of the border, were rapidly abandoning firewire for cablecard tuners

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TheAsp_:

yeah, i wish

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TheAsp_:

no cablecard here

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wagnerrp:

youve contacted your cable provider and asked?

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TheAsp_:

asked what?

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wagnerrp:

if they offer cablecard?

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TheAsp_:

oh, no they dont

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wagnerrp:

so... youve asked?

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TheAsp_:

not this year

[17:04:22]

wagnerrp:

its something worth trying to push

[17:04:33]

wagnerrp:

anything you can record with firewire, you can record with cablecard

[17:04:40]

wagnerrp:

and while you get the upfront cost of the tuner

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wagnerrp:

you dont have the recurring cable box rental

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TheAsp_:

will the cabelcard tuners do mpeg4 too?

[17:05:13]

TheAsp_:

i bought the cable box

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wagnerrp:

dont know about that one

[17:05:44]

wagnerrp:

since AIUI, theyre not supposed to broadcast anything other than MPEG2

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TheAsp_:

yeah we dont have any requirments like that

[17:06:18]

wagnerrp:

digital tuners will pass on whatever comes through the transport stream

[17:06:51]

wagnerrp:

so when a tuner card advertises support for 1080i, thats a bunch of crap

[17:07:21]

wagnerrp:

they dont know or care what resolution the video is in, so long as it stays within the bandwidth constraints

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wagnerrp:

i assume the same would be the case with codec

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TheAsp_:

could be the same issue i'm having ;)

[17:08:47]

TheAsp_:

it looks like mplayer can play what i recorded

[17:09:19]

TheAsp_:

i'll screw around with it myself, but video stuff is most likely over my head

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wagnerrp:

if mythtv can record it but just not play it, submit a ticket with a sample

[17:09:51]

wagnerrp:

youre on 0.24?

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TheAsp_:

yeah

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TheAsp_:

i can try git

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TheAsp_:

just trying not to lower the WAF

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: it's a Mac G5 running Debian. The steps to getting it running are pretty much identical to the x86 ones running Ubuntu

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TheAsp_:

anyway, thanks wagnerrp

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jm|laptop:

hi kormoc

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** kormoc tips his hat **

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Beirdo:

blargh! seems my ripping box at home is down.

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dekarl:

Anybody up for applying a typo fix to unbreak the video aspect in the mythweb details? http://pastebin.com/TYDxdZU5

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wagnerrp:

i wonder if someone pointed them at our mailing list, or if they found it searching for mention of their product...

[19:33:56]

wagnerrp:

http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2011 . . . /321915.html

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wagnerrp:

!seen raptorjr

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MythLogBot:

raptorjr was last seen 305 days 19 hours 26 minutes 2 seconds ago

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wagnerrp:

wow, that long

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TheAsp:

bugger... doesn't record ;)

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TheAsp:

http://pastebin.com/1XtJkGhs

[20:13:14]

wagnerrp:

well theres your problem

[20:13:18]

TheAsp:

yeah, it's upset ;)

[20:13:36]

wagnerrp:

youre watching daytime soaps, mythtv's decency filter kicked in

[20:13:52]

TheAsp:

you weren't supposed to see that ;)

[20:14:23]

TheAsp:

It looks closer to working than I feared

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jm|laptop:

could someone please explain syntax to git a particularly commit from master?

[20:17:32]

jm|laptop:

I'm going for homogeneity

[20:17:34]

wagnerrp:

git checkout <commit>

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TheAsp:

isn't there an svn like frontend to git? ;)

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jm|laptop:

could have sworn I tried that

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** jm|laptop tries **

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TheAsp:

no, not "git" it's self

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jm|laptop:

wagnerrp: is <commit> a hash?

[20:20:22]

wagnerrp:

yes

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wagnerrp:

or a tag, or a branch

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jm|laptop:

commit b88526dcd45872b27dea639bccd4dd119b7a53a4 say I want them all to be that one?

[20:21:13]

wagnerrp:

git checkout b88526dcd4

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jm|laptop:

error: pathspec 'b88526dcd4' did not match any file(s) known to git.

[20:22:14]

jm|laptop:

I've been reading the man pages and I just don't seem to be getting it :\

[20:22:20]

jm|laptop:

I was bad enough with svn

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wagnerrp:

you have pulled a sufficiently recent version that you have that commit?

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jm|laptop:

oh

[20:22:57]

jm|laptop:

I should try an older one then?

[20:23:24]

jm|laptop:

oooh

[20:23:37]

jm|laptop:

I am in a detached HEAD state

[20:23:42]

jm|laptop:

I can build from this, can I

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wagnerrp:

i dont see that commit in the tree anywhere

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jm|laptop:

https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/b8852 . . . dd119b7a53a4 that one?

[20:24:42]

wagnerrp:

oh, thats the latest version

[20:24:49]

wagnerrp:

i hadnt pulled it down myself

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wagnerrp:

whoops

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jm|laptop:

I see

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jm|laptop:

and if I want to build a load of front and backends now I could use that commit has and they'll all be the same?

[20:25:30]

jm|laptop:

I managed to get a commit with a database schema upgrade halfway through last time, I think

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wagnerrp:

if you checkout that commit on each instance, all of your machines will be identical

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jm|laptop:

great.

[20:26:13]

jm|laptop:

thank you :)

[20:26:44]

jm|laptop:

did I mention I tried that BBC HD AAC changing sample rates fix that jya was helping me with

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jm|laptop:

and it "worked" in that audio was present – but it was very choppy as it took the new sample rate – and it seems to happen sometimes like five or six times a minute

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jm|laptop:

should I publish my findings somewhere? mythtv-users board or something?

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justinh:

board? heh

[20:28:36]

justinh:

it's a mailing list, god bless it

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jm|laptop:

ykwim though?

[20:29:05]

jm|laptop:

maybe I'll wait for jya to resurface. He was very helpful.

[20:29:27]

justinh:

well he knows the audio code inside out

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jm|laptop:

HEAD ... ah. As in the top-most part of the branch?

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jm|laptop:

... at that particular time

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jm|laptop:

crap. Just when I thought I was getting it

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justinh:

well, I've got another reason not to rush to get BBC HD :-)

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jm|laptop:

justinh: seems to be okay from FreeSat as it that doesn't use AAC afaik

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jm|laptop:

ALSA: Error opening /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/sub0/prealloc: Permission denied.

[20:52:01]

jm|laptop:

I have this error, yet my user is in the 'audio' group

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jm|laptop:

are there some alsa permissions I'm not familiar with? I vaguely remember perms of some variety in .asoundrc

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kormoc:

jm|laptop, not all hardware supports changing that, afaik you can just ignore that

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jm|laptop:

oh ok :)

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jm|laptop:

it is there, but it's root:root

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jm|laptop:

ALSA: Unable to sufficiently increase ALSA hardware buffer size – underruns are likely << it was this that worried me

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wagnerrp:

ugh... i wish you could build qt without phonon and gstreamer

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TheAsp:

i was just thinking i wish i could build myth without qt ;)

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wagnerrp:

myth is based off qt

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wagnerrp:

like... 9/10ths of the code uses Qt derived classes

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TheAsp:

i know

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TheAsp:

;)

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wagnerrp:

and the rest is ffmpeg

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TheAsp:

i've been using it since 2003ish

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wagnerrp:

lot longer than i have

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iamlindoro:

TheAsp: Why do you care if Myth is built against Qt?

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TheAsp:

not a qt fan... relax, i'm half joking anyway

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iamlindoro:

What is it you're not a fan of about it?

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iamlindoro:

I'm just trying to understand-- you're the one who said it, I'm wondering what the protest is

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TheAsp:

i'm sure my complaints are fixed now, but it was really buggy in the past

[21:08:20]

TheAsp:

i also find it ugly

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iamlindoro:

"ugly?"

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wagnerrp:

he gets defensive on these things, as most people thing Qt is just a UI framework

[21:08:31]

iamlindoro:

in what respect?

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wagnerrp:

s/thing/think/

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TheAsp:

:P

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iamlindoro:

Not defensiveness, more like a desire to correct misunderstandings

[21:09:06]

iamlindoro:

Everyone *does* seem to think it's a UI framework-- it isn't.

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TheAsp:

Yeah, same with gnome/glib

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TheAsp:

"ugly" is more of a personal aesthetic thing which is not worth arguing about

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iamlindoro:

I'll grant you whatever oyu like about aesthetics... but Qt can't be ugly in a UI aesthetic because it's not a UI toolkit

[21:10:50]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, there you go with your facts and all

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iamlindoro:

curse my dependence on facts!

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TheAsp:

i'm an emacs user... want to argue about that? :)

[21:11:34]

wagnerrp:

certainly not for our uses anyway

[21:11:54]

wagnerrp:

mythui bears no relation to any ui predispositions that qt may be designed for

[21:12:00]

iamlindoro:

Qt provides cross-platform hooks into the OSes native UI frameworks, but does not have one of its own

[21:15:12]

justinh:

ah so the dog ugly dialogs in older mythtv using 'qt' widgets were actually bare old gtk or something similarly awful?

[21:16:41]

TheAsp:

wow am i sorry i said anything ;)

[21:17:05]

justinh:

yeah well calling mythtv ugly, to the people who work on the UI... generally not a good idea anyway

[21:17:20]

iamlindoro:

We're educators :P

[21:17:31]

TheAsp:

i didn't call mythtv ugly

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justinh:

BTW your project sucks, but I've been using it for years now :D

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iamlindoro:

You called something that can't be aesthetically ugly ugly-- just addressing the misunderstanding-- if something is or was ugly, its the fault of the developer (or a difference of opinion), not the framework ;)

[21:18:27]

justinh:

oh you meant you find *qt* ugly.

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iamlindoro:

It's not a personal thing, just a desire to stamp out a misunderstanding

[21:19:10]

justinh:

there are doubtless worse things anybody could build an app with

[21:19:33]

iamlindoro:

I daresay the styling chosen for the "Qt" Setup still present in mythtv-setup has more to do with being visible from the couch than on any thought that it was gorgeous

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jya:

jm|laptop: the permission error you are seeing in the log, right after in that same log you have the command to run to fix the problem

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justinh:

iamlindoro: IMHO the fug part of it comes from the sheer... desktoppyness of the widgets is all. they're just bog-standard qt widgets aren't they? so you get whatever you get

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iamlindoro:

justinh: Well, if you look at, for example, mythdialogs in libmyth, you'll see that the styles are explicit

[21:21:25]

justinh:

I imagine nobody ever bothered making em themable cos.. well.. you're not gonna be spending much time looking at them

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iamlindoro:

line widths, drop shadow, etc.

[21:21:31]

iamlindoro:

someone "built" those styles

[21:22:26]

iamlindoro:

(and probably didn't spend a lot of time on it)

[21:22:39]

iamlindoro:

and since theming it wasn't built in to the code to start, we've just lived with it all these years

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justinh:

yeah but a basic desktop-style slider is going to look like arse no matter what style it is. filled solid rects & lines. eew

[21:23:17]

iamlindoro:

If one was so inclined, though, one could build a "old school myth" theme for any DE with the same parameters-- that's what I'm getting at

[21:23:34]

iamlindoro:

"qt is ugly" in mythtv insofar as it was written ugly

[21:23:54]

iamlindoro:

But no more or less ugly than the rest of the OS is capable of being

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justinh:

I thought there was only so much you could do with basic widgets. solid colours, some awful shading types...

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iamlindoro:

Look at the "qt" setup in Mac OS, for example, and the fact that we use a default button styling is obvious-- the buttons in old-style setup there are all aqua buttons

[21:24:41]

iamlindoro:

Oh, I don't doubt that

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justinh:

I always thought that's why it looked like it did :)

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iamlindoro:

You're limited by the greatest common factor between all the potential OS targets

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jm|laptop:

jya: good morning

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justinh:

heh. so ironic that route was taken when it's basically taken until just about now to get mythtv onto anything but linux

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jm|laptop:

jya: changing perms on the proc file worked too

[21:25:54]

jya:

you don't need to change perms on the proc file

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jm|laptop:

I don't use sudo

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jya:

you just need to increase the alsa hardware buffer size

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jya:

you do that once at boot and that's it

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jya:

put 4096 in it

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jm|laptop:

oh

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jm|laptop:

I can do that in rc scripts?

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jya:

yes, in rc.local

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jm|laptop:

great

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jm|laptop:

if I set it to 4096 it shows 0

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** jm|laptop tries other powers of two **

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jya:

go in the folder where the prealloc file is located

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jm|laptop:

prealloc_max?

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jya:

what is in the file prealloc_max ?

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jm|laptop:

it was 128

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jm|laptop:

should I increase that to 4096?

[21:31:45]

jm|laptop:

oh

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jm|laptop:

that's 444

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TheAsp:

Anyone know what _seen_sps is used for?

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TheAsp:

It looks like the firewirerecorder is only looking for mpeg2 keyframes, and is failing due to me getting h264. looks like i can take a bit out of the hdhrrecorder to handle this

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wagnerrp:

no, the hdhr recorder should look for the same mpeg2 keyframes

[21:47:28]

wagnerrp:

perhaps hdpvr?

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justinh:

or maybe dvb recorder class

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TheAsp:

is the git repository browseable?

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justinh:

should be

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justinh:

easier to clone & grep though

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TheAsp:

just wanted to check if this was already done :)

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kenni:

Hi guys, I'm trying to figure out the right approach to get mythtv to select an available physical tuner for live tv rather than a virtual multirec tuner already locked to a specific multiplex. Turning the setting for avoiding conflicts between live tv and scheduled recordings on/off doesn't seem to help. Any input?

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kenni:

Should I manually assign higher priorities to one multirec tuner per physical tuner and disable "avoid conflicts between live tv and scheduled recordings", or how do I avoid this?

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jm|laptop:

kenni: you can change source, no?

[22:13:20]

kenni:

jm|laptop: Yes, I can manually select to change the source

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jm|laptop:

oh

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jm|laptop:

kenni: if you use "show all channels in guide" or whatever it says – does that let you surf other tuners by channel?

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jm|laptop:

I take it you're hitting "Watch TV" and then get annoyed that you can only get the channels on that tuner

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kenni:

when I open up the guide I can browse all channels and select any of them, but instead of changing to the selected channel it changes to a channel on the existing multiplex

[22:16:50]

kenni:

exactly

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jm|laptop:

oh. I would have thought it would have gone and found a free tuner for that channel, if one were available

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kenni:

it doesn't

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TheAsp:

what version?

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jm|laptop:

so if you're on one tuner set to a mux, and you bash in a channel number manually that you _know_ is on another tuner it doesn't change channel?

[22:18:44]

kenni:

0.24-fixes a couple of weeks old

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** jm|laptop tries **

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kenni:

I haven't tried to enter a channel number, but I guess browsing to the channel would trigger the same code?

[22:20:18]

kenni:

(eg. browsing=selecting the channel in the guide)

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kenni:

the issue seems to get triggered when I have multiple active recordings as well as live tv, but I haven't yet figured out exactly what happens. It seems like I'm able to recreate the issue by starting one recording per physical tuner on distinct multiplexes, cancel one of the recordings and then enter live tv. Live tv will now often use a virtual tuner on a locked multiplex, rather than a completely free tuner.

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Ankhwatcher:

Does MythVideo run on the backend server and serve the frontend or does it run on the frontend? Or both?

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TheAsp:

frontend

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TheAsp:

to the best of my knowledge

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iamlindoro:

on .24 and later, parts of mythvideo's functionality are in both the frontend and backend

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iamlindoro:

the MythVideo UI is on the frontend

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iamlindoro:

the service of content is part of the backend

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TheAsp:

neat

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Ankhwatcher:

iamlindoro: so should I be able to get it to index and stream content on the backend and just choose what to play on the frontend?

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iamlindoro:

Scanning in .24 is frontend only

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Ankhwatcher:

ah, bummer

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Ankhwatcher:

my frontend crashes whenever i try and scan

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iamlindoro:

in what will become .25, scanning is available though an API, through a backend command, through a backend command line, and in the frontend

[22:38:02]

iamlindoro:

well why not provide backtraces and get the crashes fixed?

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Ankhwatcher:

My frontend is on windows

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TheAsp:

how big of a ccache does myth fill up these days?

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iamlindoro:

You're not trying to use local storage, are you? You are using video storage groups on the backend as god intended?

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Ankhwatcher:

I pointed the video storage groups existing video folders

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Ankhwatcher:

which were all on the box myth backend is now on being hosted over samba

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Ankhwatcher:

on the frontend I pointed the video folders at the samba shares and tried ^s

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Ankhwatcher:

^s is scan, right?

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iamlindoro:

I have no idea what a ^s is

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Ankhwatcher:

ctrl+s

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iamlindoro:

You scan from the menu

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Ankhwatcher:

which menu? My interface is rich in menus

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iamlindoro:

You scan by invoking the MENU binding while in mythvideo

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iamlindoro:

MythTV has a menu keybinding, which is used, and which should be used, in countless places

[22:44:18]

iamlindoro:

There is also an INFO keybinding

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iamlindoro:

Which also brings up a global menu

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iamlindoro:

You will probably want to become familiar with it, as there is likely lots of myth functionality you are missing without it

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TheAsp:

Usually m=menu and i=info

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TheAsp:

you can change it

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Ankhwatcher:

I opened up Watch video and pressed i

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Ankhwatcher:

the frontend crashed

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Ankhwatcher:

let me try that again

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TheAsp:

that is... not good

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iamlindoro:

If you are having problems even opening the menu, it sounds like you have issues deeper than just scanning videos

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Ankhwatcher:

you get used to it

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iamlindoro:

In which case you need to provide backtraces

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iamlindoro:

which you can get on windows, gdb is available there too

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Ankhwatcher:

iamlindoro: I think I need to remove my frontend and delete .mythtv and start again

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Ankhwatcher:

I think I found a more stable myth or windows then the one I am using

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iamlindoro:

worth a shot

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Ankhwatcher:

(one with icons for example...)

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Ankhwatcher:

I need more hours in my day. Is there a python script for that?

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kenni:

ohh, seems like I've hit #4989...so I guess manually assigning higher priorities to one virtual tuner per physical tuner *is* the way forward..

[22:49:35]

iamlindoro:

import 36hourday

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iamlindoro:

kenni: Just create each physical tuner with one max recording, then go back and bump each to two

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Ankhwatcher:

iamlindoro: I knew I could count on those pythoners.

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iamlindoro:

so your tuner layout will be tuner 1, tuner 2, tuner 3, tuner 1, tuner 2, tuner 3, etc.

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iamlindoro:

Then when you start live TV, you will always get a free tuner if such a thing is available

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Ankhwatcher:

well I'm going to go watch stuff on Boxee and leave myth to bang my head on again tomorrow. l8rs.

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kenni:

iamlindoro: ahh, thanks, will give it a try :)

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hoolio:

Steve Jobs died.

[23:42:24]

TheAsp:

yeah

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TheAsp:

heard that too

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TheAsp:

cant find link

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hoolio:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-05/appl . . . y-today.html

[23:43:25]

TheAsp:

detailed

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TheAsp:

;)

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hoolio:

yeah, what a crap link

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hoolio:

i just pasted it from another chat

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hoolio:

http://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&am . . . amp;oe=utf-8

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hoolio:

there, take your pick :)

[23:45:46]

TheAsp:

apple.com has a thingy now

[23:46:01]

TheAsp:

http://www.apple.com/stevejobs/

[23:46:28]

TheAsp:

where do themes get stored while they are downloading?

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iamlindoro:

~/.mythtv/Cache-mythbackend-* on the backend

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iamlindoro:

for the user running the BE

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TheAsp:

hmm... nothing will download for me. ohwell

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jya:

RIP Steve… such a sad day

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clever:

http://www.apple.com/stevejobs/

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iamlindoro:

jya: indeed, I am very curious what his last illness was... he has been sickly for a long time

[23:59:48]

jya:

Probably all linked to his cancer… amazing he lasted that long

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