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Monday, October 3rd, 2011, 00:00 UTC

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rmckee:

hmmm, failing memory, failed hdd, time to upgrade the old sempron box. graphics card is PCI-E do they even make boards with that anymore ?

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wagnerrp:

?

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rmckee:

PCI Express and not PCI-e been a while since I looked into the hardware

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wagnerrp:

pci express is pci-e

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wagnerrp:

are you thinking of PCI-eXtended?

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wagnerrp:

as far as i know, no one ever made graphics cards for that bus

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wagnerrp:

primarily drive and network controllers

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rmckee:

doh, so I see in my readings, 1 x PCI-Express X 16 is the spec

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wagnerrp:

pci express is the spec

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wagnerrp:

Xn is the number of channels

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wagnerrp:

1.0 is 250MB/s per channel

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wagnerrp:

2.0 is 500MB/s, 3.0 is 1000MB/s

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wagnerrp:

all connections autonegotiate to the maximum level both sides of the connection support

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jya:

iamlindoro: weird… one minute everything worked with the new keys, the next nothing at all and I read Host key / Certificate has been revoked by your drive ? (0x7fe08c260eb0)

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wagnerrp:

most graphics cards are 16 channels (x16)

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jya:

haven't touched the drive firmware in years

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wagnerrp:

but many motherboards have slots that are physically x16, but electronically only x8 or x4

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rmckee:

ok, so sounds like the old card is still going to be ok in most mb's

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wagnerrp:

any PCIe card should function on a modern board

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rmckee:

cool

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wagnerrp:

however, an old PCIe card is likely not worth keeping around

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rmckee:

I'm sure things would have improved since this was made

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wagnerrp:

what card is it, specifically?

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rmckee:

Gigabyte GV-NX62TC128D

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rmckee:

The mythbox has not missed a beat for several years now

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wagnerrp:

anything 8-series or later will support hardware accelerated playback

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wagnerrp:

the GT200 series support hdmi audio

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rmckee:

but it's starting to struggle with several HD streams

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wagnerrp:

if you need analog output, i know my 8400 had significantly higher quality svideo than my 6200 turbocache

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rmckee:

have not upgraded the tv so still using svideo

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jya:

it looks like it's a particular bluray I tried to play that invalidated all the keys of my drive

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wagnerrp:

isnt key revocation wondrous?

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jya:

well, I tried to play a BD a friend you brought over (Pink Floyd)

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jya:

since I can't play anything at all

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jya:

Now it tells me for every disk "Host key / Certificate has been revoked by your drive"

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iamlindoro:

jya: Not exactly-- the disc can't revoke the processing keys, just require a newer one-- it's the Host Certificate that's a problem

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iamlindoro:

since most people have the same HC in their KEYDB.cfg, they just revoked the one most people use

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iamlindoro:

it means you need a new HC in the KEYDB.cfg file

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jya:

well, none of my disks work now

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jya:

ok that sounds better :)

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jya:

why would a disk that played fine a minute ago, not work now though ?

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, until you get a new HC in there (or if you are lucky and have a drive with hacked firmware like me, it'll never matter)

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iamlindoro:

Let me see if there are more HC's out there

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jya:

It's a pioneer BD-202, I've had it for at least 3 years, never touched the firmare

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jya:

http://thias.marmotte.net/2009/01/playing-blu . . . ra-gnulinux/

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iamlindoro:

Yes, he refers to the firmware I run in that post

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iamlindoro:

Alternately, if you don't have a drive with alternate firmware, you can just replace the HC

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iamlindoro:

Which I am looking for for you

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iamlindoro:

Looks like doom9 is down right now, but it does appear new Host Certs are available which should have you up and running again

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jya:

so a disk can invalidate the keys found in my drive ?

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jya:

surely, that got to be illegal

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iamlindoro:

the keys aren't on your drive

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iamlindoro:

and again, it's not a key issue

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iamlindoro:

it's a certificate issue

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iamlindoro:

a new disc can tell the drive to no longer accept the host certificate, which is provided by the application

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jya:

ok… so rephrase "a disk can invalidate a certificate "

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iamlindoro:

it's essentially an application revocation

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iamlindoro:

Which one circumvents by simply switching to a newer cert

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jya:

it's still pretty nasty.. what minute you have something that works, the next it doesn't

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iamlindoro:

Whether it's illegal... probably not in the US, dunno about elsewhere

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iamlindoro:

commercial blu-ray software gets a revocation and then launches into a "this disc requires that you connect to the net and perform an update" and then calls the mothership, gets new certs, and is off and running again

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wagnerrp:

the idea is if you are using legitimately licensed software, the publisher will release an update with a new cert

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wagnerrp:

have to protect the content from those evil customers

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jya:

well, look like I;m back using anydvd for the time being

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wagnerrp:

these are media conglomerates were talking about, the customer is always a thief

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wagnerrp:

using your purchased content in a manner they dont want you do, so they cant sell you another product to allow you to do so

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wagnerrp:

criminal...

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[R]:

libass – optional for ASS/SSA subtitle support (>= v0.9.10)

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** [R] giggles **

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wagnerrp:

at some point, the developers who wrote it squeezed out libcaca

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iamlindoro:

Don't be silly, it squirted out like it was nothing

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[R]:

ROFL

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JEDIDIAH__:

So someone like me that's never used a sanctioned BluRay player ever is in a better position in terms of key shenangians than people that are trying to "do the right thing"? That's a real hoot.

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wagnerrp:

assuming you can find a replacement host key

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wagnerrp:

isnt that always how it is though? DRM only hurts the paying customer

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JEDIDIAH__:

It only hurts Ned Flanders.

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JEDIDIAH__:

the paying customers that are the most contientious when it comes to the rules.

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JEDIDIAH__:

...normal users.

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wagnerrp:

s/conscientious/ignorant/

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sphery:

k-man: fwiw, it sounds like you're not the only one having difficulty compiling MythTV on OS X Lion – http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/4/2011-10-02:22:09:38

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jya:

sphery: I haven't been able to compile it fully either

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jya:

iamlindoro: any particular feature I should be looking for in regards to flashing the BD drive with a custom firmware?

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k-man:

sphery, oh – interesting

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k-man:

jya, do you use mac homebrew by any chance?

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k-man:

jya, also, can you paste the errors you are getting when compiling so I can see (not that I know a solution but it will be interesting to compare notes)

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jya:

k-man: Specifying which SDK to use allowed me to compile almost everything, it then failed on something .. can't remember what now

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jya:

all I use is the osx-packager script

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k-man:

I gave up on the OSX script in the end and I wrote a mac homebrew formula to compile mythtv. it compiles cleanly on both of my OSX Lion systems, but unfortunately I get issues running it

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k-man:

jya, do you specify which compiler to use?

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k-man:

I posted an email about compiling mythtv using homebrew to the mailing list in case anyone is interested

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ureds:

dcg_: Got the drivers installed ok in the end.

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justinh:

"few seconds missing in recordings" ???? Holy crap some people are very particular

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justinh:

s/particular/perculiar

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justinh:

hahaha BBC Breakfast just featured 2 kids in a healthy eating item.. called Gulliver & Zebedee

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oobe:

particular sounded right too

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hashbang:

morning all

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justinh:

morning

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justinh:

having to look at this customer'

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justinh:

duh. customer's issue of USB sticks acting flaky in one of our products. seems we've been totally stupid & put the USB connector on the main board miles away from the front panel... and having a flying lead to the front panel for the front USB socket. But the termination/protection device for the USB is on the main board, not the little usb-usb daughter board at the front panel end. DERRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[09:05:38]

justinh:

oh and one end of the USB GND is tied to chassis ground at the mainboard end but not at the front panel side. Again, DERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

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hashbang:

justinh: ouch, derrrr. :-(

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jayvee:

I'm confused about how EIT works. Currently my DVB card suffers from a problem (don't know whether it is software or hardware) where it will make the system unstable if the active EIT scan runs for about 2 weeks. Basically all forms of DVB stop working properly.

[09:30:32]

jayvee:

If I disable active EIT scan, the system is perfectly stable for weeks on end.

[09:31:23]

jayvee:

However, I don't get any EPG data. Surely if I turn the active scan off, MythTV should support passive scanning while I'm watching a channel? I'm perfectly happy to have to watch each channel at least once per week, but not even that seems to work.

[09:34:40]

frankjh:

jayvee: My mythtv uses DVB-S and EIT only works here if the channels were added using a 'full scan'. Importing channels.conf kills EIT.

[09:35:35]

jayvee:

frankjh: both active and passive?

[09:35:46]

jayvee:

surely if active scanning works, then it would have nothing to do with the channel setup.

[09:36:03]

jayvee:

I used the mythtv scanner to add channels anyway.

[09:36:32]

jayvee:

http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /277382.html <-- seems to indicate passive scanning should be working in the way I expect

[09:37:58]

frankjh:

jayvee: I did not get any EIT data, but I do not know the difference between active and passive . Scanning a single transponder did not work for me either to get EIT data. 'Full Scan' was the only thing working.

[09:39:08]

jayvee:

Well active scanning is when you are not watching TV or recording, the backend constantly polls all stations collecting data in the background. Normally that's fine except it triggers either a software bug or overheats the card after a few weeks.

[09:39:15]

sulx:

in my system EIT scanning hangs if there are visible unaccessible channels with EIT enabled

[09:39:41]

jayvee:

Passive scanning would be collecting the EIT data only from the channel you are currently recording from or watching.

[09:43:39]

justinh:

assuming the EIT data is broadcast on that actual channel. this isn't always the case

[09:44:03]

justinh:

sometimes all the data for every channel is broadcast on only one transponder

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frankjh:

jayvee: My experience is like this here http://blog.fredrikbostrom.net/2010/03/16/mis . . . lho-helsinki

[09:53:03]

frankjh:

jayvee: except that I use 0.24.1+fixes20110828

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justinh:

oh yes, hide any pertinent information users might find useful away on a blog somewhere

[09:56:27]

justinh:

the moral of the story is, don't try & import data from a channels.conf

[09:56:40]

justinh:

although, that nixing EIT is supposed to have been fixed

[09:57:19]

justinh:

that is, it's known that importing data from a .conf file means that important information is missing – information which mythtv-setup then goes looking for so it shouldn't be a problem now

[09:57:45]

justinh:

so if there are still problems importing a .conf file, you should report them

[09:58:02]

justinh:

though IMHO .conf file import should just be dropped completely

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justinh:

less to maintain :-)

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frankjh:

justinh: Not sure what you mean? This is not my blog. I posted the first link describing my problem.

[10:08:15]

frankjh:

The issue with channels.conf is visible even on the official wiki http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/EIT. However the way to fix it is not described well.

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rmckee:

Whats the best way to get shows from the likes of eztve into myth?

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justinh:

wth is eztve?

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justinh:

frankjh: I wasn't ranting about you. I'm ranting about 'people in general' who, rather than report an issue properly, or document something – just post stuff on their own blog. you may as well keep schtum

[10:29:14]

justinh:

rmckee: you can't talk about that here

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rmckee:

cool

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justinh:

if you're talking about just generally getting video content into mythtv that's easy peasy. use mythvideo

[10:33:41]

rmckee:

yeah thats fine.

[10:33:53]

justinh:

but you can't – and shouldn't IMHO – mix general video content with tv recordings

[10:34:21]

jayvee:

justinh: in this case all the channels provide EPG data (this is Australia, who as part of Freeview provide a week's worth of data, which is pretty good)

[10:34:30]

jayvee:

and it works beautifully when on active EIT scan

[10:34:31]

justinh:

i.e. your T Vrecordings show up in 'watch recordings' and video content lives in mythvideo

[10:34:34]

rmckee:

just had an extended outage due to faulty memory and disk trying to catch up on some old shows

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jayvee:

it's just that for stability reasons I would like to do it passively, and it's not working for some reasons

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justinh:

weird

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jayvee:

justinh: if the "Active EIT Scan" box is unticked, it should still gather EIT data passively, right?

[10:35:28]

justinh:

it might be that data happens to not be provided on the transponders you're using

[10:35:31]

justinh:

yes

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jayvee:

what I forgot to mention was that three channels continued to receive EIT data (and interestingly, two of those channels were on a multiplex that had 4 channels, and only two of them got EIT data)

[10:36:14]

jayvee:

so the ABC multiplex has ABC1, ABC2, ABC3, and ABC News 24

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jayvee:

I only got EIT data for ABC1 and ABC2

[10:36:33]

jayvee:

when I re-enabled the active EIT scan box, I got data for every single channel

[10:36:53]

jayvee:

even though I watch most channels at some point each week

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justinh:

yeah well.. active EIT does a crawl across all the known dvb muxes looking for data AFAIK

[10:36:57]

jayvee:

especially ABC News 24

[10:37:50]

jayvee:

and what's even weirder is that now that I looked through my mythbackend log, I could see log entries suggesting it picked up stuff

[10:37:53]

jayvee:

e.g.: Scheduled 8 items in 0.1 = 0.03 match + 0.05 place

[10:38:02]

jayvee:

and then what looks like a mythfilldatabase output later on

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justinh:

maybe you could change one or more tuners to be used on-demand only, then employ the DVB to xmltv grabber – and import that into mythtv using mythfilldatabase --from-file

[10:38:34]

jayvee:

is there such thing? if so, that could work.

[10:39:03]

jayvee:

what I was actually going to ask is if there's a program like "mythdvbscan --duration=3600" that I could run at, say, 3 AM that would force a scan

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justinh:

sure is

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justinh:

I can't remember the name of the progam though

[10:40:14]

justinh:

something like dvb2xmltv

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jayvee:

of course the ideal solution would be to fix whatever problem is causing instability, but that's way beyond my technical expertise

[10:41:06]

justinh:

nova-td500 card?

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jayvee:

1b80:e39a Afatech

[10:41:49]

jayvee:

af9013 module

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jayvee:

I think it's a af9015 chipset?

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justinh:

sigh

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justinh:

how do you people not know what tuner card(s) you have?

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jayvee:

I knew what it was, it's just that I forgot once I got it going

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jayvee:

it's like a K-World DVB USB thing

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justinh:

ah

[10:43:02]

jayvee:

I can find out precisely for you if you want

[10:43:09]

justinh:

maybe get a proper one instead :-)

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jayvee:

I do have a proper one, but it's finicky as well

[10:43:28]

jayvee:

it gets really really poor signal

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justinh:

it could even be that the problem has been fixed in a later version of driver

[10:44:01]

jayvee:

been there, done that — the module isn't included in 2.6.32 (running on Debian Squeeze) so compiled the module for that

[10:44:06]

jayvee:

also tried 2.6.38, which it ships with

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justinh:

nova-td500 used to show similar issues & they got those fixed IIRC

[10:44:14]

jayvee:

now running a 3.0 kernel, which it also ships with, same problem

[10:44:21]

jayvee:

I suspect an overheating problem in the USB card

[10:44:27]

jayvee:

and the PCI card behaves the same as well

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justinh:

heh. stupid junk USB stuff

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justinh:

stupid junk PCI stuff

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frankjh:

justinh: Mythtv has such a high complexity that even describing a problem properly is difficult. It could even be, that importing channels.conf does work now. I did an import of channels.conf some mythtv generatons ago and wanted to use EIT last week, so maybe some SQL table format changed and was not upgraded well.

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jayvee:

PCI card behaves the same == poor reception, not lockups

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justinh:

never have any problems with my trusty LR6650 cards

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justinh:

frankjh: nah. people who post tech info on blogs in order to help people are all tossers

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jayvee:

I suspect the PCI card problem is a basic electrical one (poor connections), although pulling the male-female extender out and plugging the connector further in does not improve it

[10:45:45]

jayvee:

frankjh: don't take it personally

[10:45:55]

jayvee:

(I did once, and nearly got myself banned from this channel)

[10:46:14]

jayvee:

(under a different nick, I might add)

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justinh:

it's much more helpful to post useful info in the wiki or to contribute it properly instead

[10:47:18]

justinh:

mind. having seen a few of my own wiki contributions get vandalised by people who haven't a frickin clue...

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jayvee:

sounds like we all have our beefs

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jayvee:

need moar bacon

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justinh:

I just gave up contributing to the wiki instead

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justinh:

if morons insist on getting into an editing war.. leave them to it

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justinh:

ah yes. dvb2xml was the program name

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justinh:

oofs. or maybe not

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jayvee:

hmm, not many google hits for that

[10:57:52]

jayvee:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/466573

[10:58:04]

jayvee:

I wonder if that's what I'm seeing, although it's not exactly what I've described

[10:59:04]

jayvee:

so I was assuming that passive EIT is collected during live TV and recording

[10:59:18]

jayvee:

though I watch live TV on most channels, there are some channels that I very rarely record on

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justinh:

oh wait you changed the setting & didn't start the backend again?

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jayvee:

no, I did that part correctly

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jayvee:

have a look at the link

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justinh:

ok

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justinh:

I hate reading the -users ML

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jayvee:

heh

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justinh:

insert very long quote here... blah blah blah.. me too

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justinh:

depending how the EIT data is spread out on the service, simply scheduling 'A' recording may not be enough

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jayvee:

are you in Australia?

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justinh:

it might be enough to do it from one channel, or you might have to do it with more

[11:01:44]

justinh:

no

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jayvee:

okay, you probably haven't seen our EPG output then :-P

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jayvee:

we used to only get the current program and the next one

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justinh:

in the UK you can pretty much guarantee all the EPG data will be collected by just grabbing one multiplex

[11:02:12]

jayvee:

then we had this massive campaign called Freeview

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justinh:

yes I know all about that

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jayvee:

which was basically to sell set top boxes, and all the channels were involved

[11:02:27]

justinh:

and you now get EIT EPG data

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justinh:

which is pretty reliable by all accounts

[11:02:36]

jayvee:

after that, the entire EPG data gets blasted out every minute or so

[11:02:49]

justinh:

and saves you having to rely on crappy scrapers

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jayvee:

seriously, if I open up VLC, my terminal is awash with EPG debug output

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justinh:

takes a bit more than one minute to send enough epg data for multiple channels

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jayvee:

so going by what that thread says, perhaps I could just schedule a dummy recording every week on each channel to scrape the EPG

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justinh:

or each day

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justinh:

a few minutes..

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jayvee:

yeah just 10 minutes or so each channel

[11:04:06]

justinh:

make the recordings in a group not normally visible in 'watch recordings'

[11:04:22]

justinh:

set them to make & keep only one recording before expiring...

[11:04:44]

justinh:

you don't need to do it for every channel IMHO – just one channel from every multiplex

[11:05:09]

justinh:

in some places all channels are carried on one mux – or all muxes

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justinh:

I mean EIT data for all channels is on one or more muxes

[11:05:41]

justinh:

but in other places, EIT data is spread out across them – and not always in the most logical (to us) form

[11:06:28]

justinh:

if you're getting some but not all EIT data for all channels, I suspect the latter is true for you

[11:10:03]

dcg_:

justinh: the user that had issues with video standard was remoteCTRL1

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jayvee:

well I get the whole guide on VLC even if I specify a --program

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justinh:

dcg_: yeah well I still don't believe him.

[11:10:45]

justinh:

jayvee: so open a bug report :)

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justinh:

unreported problems can't be fixed

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justinh:

you should also look into extra verbose logging – when you *think* EIT data should be being collected – i.e. during a recording, add -v eit to the backend logging & see what it spews out

[11:12:08]

justinh:

thankfully you can change logging options on the fly these days – no need to restart it

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lapion:

is there any possibllity to rerecord previously recorded episodes based on the recording profile ?

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lapion:

I recorded some episodes of a show at a low quality, and I since changed the profile to record at high quality, however I do not want to delete the old episodes until they have been rerecorded, and verified for completeness, is there any way to match duplicates based on title, description, profile, input and some other quality based criteria ?

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lapion:

btw. does anyone have any use for a livestream file for a failed channel change for analog tuner ?

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justinh:

never saw any point in different recording quality profiles personally. you either want to see it, and watch it in decent quality or not at all IMHO

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justinh:

and no, there's no way to get mythtv to differentiate between different profiles once they're recorded

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justinh:

to mythtv it's either recorded or it isn't. that's it

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justinh:

you can certainly set the stuff you've got low quality recordings of to re-record though

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justinh:

if you need a list of what you recorded with profile X you could use some mysql to find out: select title, subtitle from recorded where profile="X";

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justinh:

I didn't realise the recording profile used is even stored in the recorded table til just now. what's the point if it doesn't seem to be used anywhere?

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justinh:

though maybe playback/recording groups can use it

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justinh:

nope. playback groups can't

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jayvee:

well I've added the dummy recordings

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jayvee:

they're all in a dummy recording group

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jayvee:

but I can't figure out how to create a playback group in order to exclude it from the recording screen

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justinh:

you don't have to

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justinh:

with a group selected in 'watch recordings' press MENU. Change group filter

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justinh:

then select 'default' :-)

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jayvee:

so that's selecting the recording group, not playback group?

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jayvee:

or are they the same thing? the UI doesn't seem to imply that is the case.

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justinh:

no, recording groups are groups of recordings

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justinh:

playback groups are groups of recordings which are to be treated differently for playback purposes

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justinh:

different things seem logical to different people. video sources

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justinh:

;-)

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jayvee:

okay, I'm confused

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jayvee:

guess I'll find out what happens after 1 AM tonight

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justinh:

think of the term 'recording groups' as meaning 'categories of recordings' – where the user can define their own

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jayvee:

so recording groups is what you'd use for this case?

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justinh:

and the term 'playback groups' – as definitions of how to treat certain recordings differently – i.e. play at a certain rate, skip X amount by default etc

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justinh:

yes. use recording groups for this case

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jayvee:

ah, I get it

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jayvee:

playback groups would be if I don't mind watching commercials on certain recordings

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jayvee:

but for commercials I apply that in the channel settings, but just an example

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justinh:

yes, or if you want all you're wife's recordings to play at 2x speed

[11:54:57]

justinh:

s/you\'re/your/

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jayvee:

so the latest EIT data I get is October 11 until 11:30 AM

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jayvee:

tomorrow if I have later data than that, it's probably working

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justinh:

it doesn't harm to run a collection every day

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justinh:

schedules have a habit of changing

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jayvee:

I hope I don't accidentally watch any of the recordings

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jayvee:

there's likely to be all sorts of trash broadcast at that hour

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justinh:

you won't even see em in the list if you're done the filtering properly :)

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Ankhwatcher:

Hey, I've got another noob question: Are the storage locations (default recordings etc) actual folders on my server, or parts of the mysql database?

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justinh:

actual directories

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justinh:

only metadata is stored in the db

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Ankhwatcher:

ah brilliant

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mxc:

When i try to play 24bit flac files with mythmusic i'm only getting white noise. Same files play fine with mythffplay. Any ideas?

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jayvee:

mxc: do other flac files work fine?

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Ankhwatcher:

Is it important who owns/has permissions for the storage locations? Should they be under my account or root or is there a mythtv user that needs access to them?

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mxc:

Yes. Everything in 16bit plays fine but 24/48 and 24/96 files not. Maybe it's because of format conversation because the soundcard only supports s32_le.

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justinh:

are you sure it's not just what The Grateful Dead or whoever are supposed to sound like? :P

[12:40:21]

justinh:

Ankhwatcher: SGs should be writable by the user mythbackend runs as

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justinh:

in a lot of cases, that's the user called mythtv

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mxc:

justinh: Ok, it's Nirvana but the cd-rip sounds quite different.

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justinh:

mxc: are the files only stereo? could be an issue where something that should be being passed through or converted, isn't

[13:08:47]

mxc:

justinh: Only stereo, it's an LP-rip. The only thing I can currently imagine is that somethings going wrong when converting s24_le to s32_le.

[13:12:02]

justinh:

oh you mean it's pirated? Ha

[13:13:23]

mxc:

justinh: I've seen that mythmusic writes 4 bytes/sample to alsa. So there might be some 24->32 bit conversation in mythmusic.

[13:13:51]

justinh:

I think I remember seeing a ticket about this a while ago

[13:14:05]

justinh:

you might need to update to master to get > 16-bit

[13:16:05]

justinh:

ah no. some people are having issues playing *some* >16-bit flac files

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mxc:

justinh: No comment about pirated but you may have noticed that you can also buy hires-flacs. I'm currently on 0.24.1 and I thougt 24bit playback should work with it.

[13:17:38]

justinh:

you can also buy hi-res flacs but they're never referred to as 'LP-rips

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justinh:

'

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justinh:

FWIW 24-bit audio is a waste of time when you're talking about something that was mastered for vinyl anyway

[13:18:45]

mxc:

justinh: I on't that the source is my problem but the 24 bit and my soundcard.

[13:19:33]

justinh:

looks like you'll have to open a ticket for this, and supply a short clip of an offending track

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justinh:

incidentally what's mythfrontend saying about these files?

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justinh:

like, in the log

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mxc:

justinh: 2011-10–03 12:19:56.274 AO: Opening audio device 'iec958:CARD=EWX2496,DEV=0' ch 2(2) sr 48000 sf signed 24 bit MSB reenc 0

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mxc:

justinh: 2011-10–03 12:19:56.276 ALSA: SetParameters(format=6, channels=2, rate=48000, buffer_time=500000, period_time=4)

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mxc:

justinh: 2011-10–03 12:19:56.273 AO: Original codec was FLAC, signed 24 bit MSB, 48 kHz, 2 channels

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justinh:

all looks sensible

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mxc:

But sounds horrible

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justinh:

ow. how much does that soundcard cost? heh

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justinh:

only 99dB SNR.. a waste of bits

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mxc:

I'm trying to feed a Cambridge DacMagic with it via iec958 but the card has a ice1712 chip which also sounds nice.

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mxc:

Main problem is that if I select the wrong file it may blast my loudspeakers.

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justinh:

does spdif even support 24-bit? I'm not sure it does

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justinh:

heh apparently it can, but anything not supporting the extra 4 bits chucks them away

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mxc:

It should but I also tested the analog output of the card with the same result.

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justinh:

ow. £230 for something that uses $10 DAC chips? LOL

[13:50:52]

justinh:

well, sufficient to say, you're boned til it gets fixed

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justinh:

open a ticket, provide a short clip of a track.. and see what comes of it

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mxc:

Maybe you know a audio-player on linux which supports 24bit without downsampling so I can test the files with it.

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justinh:

are you definitely using alsa alsa, as in alsa without pulseaudio?

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justinh:

mxc: IIRC aplay will just play a file, bit for bit

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justinh:

er.. maybe not

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mxc:

Pure alsa, I try to avoid any resampling and i converted the files to wav and they played fine with aplay.

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justinh:

what about in mythmusic if you convert them to 24-bit 48k wavs?

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mxc:

Tried 24/48 and 24/96 maybe shoul also try 24/44.1

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mxc:

How do I get mythmusic to show wav files (tried but they where not shown in the db)

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justinh:

should just work with .wav fine

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justinh:

try mythtvavtest $wavfilename too

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justinh:

oo dear. just tried that here. it wasn't pretty

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mxc:

wasn't pretty?

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justinh:

didn't seem to work very well

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mxc:

The wav files didn't work either ... white noise

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justinh:

hmm. wonder if flac & wav files can be big or little-endian & that's what the problem is

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justinh:

nah. flac is always big

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justinh:

and apparently wav is always little endian

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justinh:

except when it's rifx

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mxc:

aplay shows format s24_3le

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justinh:

hahahaha http://www.reghardware.com/2011/10/03/apple_t . . . ie_playback/

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justinh:

so lemme get this straight – you buy media, but to be able to play it on a device it needs to connect to a server out there somewhere? LOL

[14:18:39]

mxc:

Converted 24/96 wav to 32/96 and it plays fine (ok some dropouts)

[14:19:06]

justinh:

prolly at the limit for the interface right there

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Ankhwatcher:

justinh: it'll never happen and I can listen to my yahoo music forever!

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justinh:

yahoo? who the hell is still using yahoo?

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Ankhwatcher:

nobody since they shut down their music service and told their users to burn all their songs to disk and rip them back at mp3s.

[14:21:20]

Ankhwatcher:

what nice people.

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justinh:

nice. generational format loss

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justinh:

do that another couple of times & the music goes mushy

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Ankhwatcher:

meh

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justinh:

mushy as in worse than high speed tape dubbing

[14:22:12]

Ankhwatcher:

I turned my music to mush trying to use my minidisk player.

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justinh:

MD was a great format for a while. it certainly had its uses for me recording my DJ sets on the move

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justinh:

but for a portable playback format.. no

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Ankhwatcher:

yeah I was trying to fit 4 albums on it and it put all sorts of crap into the music.

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justinh:

lossy compression will do that

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justinh:

especially if you're going from one lossy format to another

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justinh:

mxc: anyway why don't you just use the USB input of the dacmagic thingy?

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mxc:

justinh: usb 1.1 max 16bit 48khz

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justinh:

LOL

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justinh:

makes you wonder why they even bothered

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mxc:

justinh: 2011-10–03 16:17:14.409 AO: Original codec was PCM_S32LE, signed 32 bit, 96 kHz, 2 channels

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mxc:

2011-10–03 16:17:14.409 AO: Opening audio device 'iec958:CARD=EWX2496,DEV=0' ch 2(2) sr 96000 sf signed 32 bit reenc 0

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justinh:

ugh. it upsamples *everything* ?

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mxc:

2011-10–03 16:17:14.411 ALSA: SetParameters(format=10, channels=2, rate=96000, buffer_time=500000, period_time=4)

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justinh:

mxc: I dunno what the alsa format stuff means

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mxc:

I converted it with sox to 32bit to avoid 24->32bit conversation in mythmusic and the log is only to check format conversations.

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justinh:

http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9984

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mxc:

my soundcard supports 8–24 bit playback but even 8bit has to be given as 32bit values padded with zeros. This works fine with 16bit (cd-audio) but it seems not to work with 24bit.

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justinh:

hmm. icky

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mxc:

justinh: ticket 9984 isn't the same because 24/96 playback seems to work.

[14:37:17]

justinh:

FWIW if you're not using that card for analogue output you may aswell just pick up something cheap, 24-bit

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justinh:

if mythtv/alsa is feeding it 24-bits without the stuffing.. there's not much you can do really

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justinh:

unless you feel like hacking alsa

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mxc:

What if I get a cheap card that doesn't support 44.1kHz natively: Is 44.1kHz routed to iec958 directly or is it upsampled?

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justinh:

shouldn't matter. it's just a port stuff is shoved out to

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justinh:

unless it's something drossy by the likes of Creative it's a dumb port

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justinh:

meh. wrong again. simple. just don't buy something that doesn't support 44.1khz :)

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mxc:

justinh: maybe you could give me a hint where mythtv expands 24bit to 32bit for output. then i'll take a look at it. I think my problem might happen to everybody whose soundcard only a specific input format.

[14:47:17]

justinh:

it looks like mythtv isn't expanding the output

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justinh:

http://www.cuymedia.net/mythtv-0.24/audiooutp . . . _source.html

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mxc:

And I think every soundcard claims to play 44.1kHz but they never say how (nativle, resampled ...)

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justinh:

looking at the code it seems that the output audio format will be the same as the input format

[14:50:02]

justinh:

so it comes to myth as 8-bit mono at 16khz & goes to alsa that way

[14:50:05]

justinh:

etc

[14:50:45]

justinh:

only the video playback audio classes do any resampling/channel mapping as far as I'm aware

[14:50:54]

justinh:

and then that's only if you want them to

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wagnerrp:

so, after i tell someone that writing data to the backend requires knowledge of the backend tcp protocol, and no sane programmer would attempt to do so in bash

[14:52:45]

wagnerrp:

that someone posts a requests for bash bindings capable of talking to the backend tcp protocol

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mxc:

i logged fe-messages with timestamp and that shows that data is written as 32bit values to alsa

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justinh:

even when the input format isn't 32-bit?

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mxc:

2011-10–03 12:35:23.719 WriteAudio: Preparing 5240 bytes (655 frames)

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mxc:

655 * 2 * 4=5240

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: MythTVTalk?

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justinh:

I can't see where it'll be doing that. you'd need to talk to somebody like jya

[14:58:50]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: no, the mythnuv2mkv thread on the mailing list

[14:59:06]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Ah, I've been trashing those

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wagnerrp:

heh

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wagnerrp:

he was confused at the need to have the files accessibly locally

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wagnerrp:

surely mythnuv2mkv was capable of pulling the files from the backend for processing, and then pushing them back when finished

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mxc:

justinh: how can I reach him?

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wagnerrp:

!seen jya

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MythLogBot:

jya is here and has been idle for 10 hours 59 minutes 33 seconds

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mxc:

justinh: I'll take a look at the sources and try some debugging. Because the problem is hardware specific I don't create a ticket. With the knowledge thet 32bit playback works I got the point where to look at. Thanks for your help.

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Seeker`:

Does anyone here use a harmony one remote?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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wagnerrp:

oh, harmony ONE

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wagnerrp:

no

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Seeker`:

wagnerrp: what do you use?

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wagnerrp:

880

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Seeker`:

do you have any problems with it being incredibly slow to send keypresses?

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wagnerrp:

adjust your timeouts

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Seeker`:

in the logitech software? I did, turned everything right down

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wagnerrp:

dont know what to do other than that

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wagnerrp:

there is a bit of lag when doing multiple keypresses

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wagnerrp:

since its computer controlled

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wagnerrp:

it very deliberately sends, pauses, sends, pauses...

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wagnerrp:

and you can get multiple keypresses queued up

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Seeker`:

yeah, makes scrolling through guides / lists a nightmare

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wagnerrp:

other than that, ive not had 'slowness' problems

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wagnerrp:

use page down

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wagnerrp:

use the filtering options

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Seeker`:

yeah, was going to map something to page down. Was just wondering if there were any other bright ideas to try

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** J-e-f-f-A votes for mapping PageDn/PageUp ... especially since the 'key repeat' speed on a remote control is way too slow (compared to a keyboard for instance...) **

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wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: you ever done cutlist editing on a keyboard?

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Yeah, but not so much now that 3/4 of my recordings are H.264...

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wagnerrp:

ever notice how mythtv's key repeat speed is too slow to keep up with a keyboard?

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J-e-f-f-A:

true... ;-)

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wagnerrp:

somewhere around 5–6kps, you just start bouncing back and forth between the previous two frames

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wagnerrp:

its real trouble if youre trying to use the remote control interface

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Yeah, especially with my key repeat speed – i put it at a 1-second delay, then the highest repeat rate (IIRC, 30cps?)...

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stevieman:

Where do I find the error log for myth archive? I am trying to create some dvd's for my kids for an upcoming car trip but it dies everytime I try to create the disc. It has worked previously

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wagnerrp:

0.24 or 0.25?

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stevieman:

wagnerrp: I believe it's .24 now. .25 is still in dev right?

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wagnerrp:

correct

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J-e-f-f-A:

stevieman: Yes – but depends on what your source of MythTV is – do 'mythfrontend --version' from a shell to see for sure.

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wagnerrp:

in 0.24, the mytharchive logs should show up in the frontend logs

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stevieman:

Yep .24.20110505–1

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stevieman:

Can someone help me with the mythfrontend log. I'm having problems find the error http://pastebin.com/h94tQJRg

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wagnerrp:

why are you using a PAL display?

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wagnerrp:

and youve got a bunch of old junk files installed

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stevieman:

wagnerrp: nope no PAL

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wagnerrp:

youre running your display at 720x540

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wagnerrp:

odd, considering PAL is usually 720x576, while NTSC is way down at 720x480

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Beirdo:

is it beer-30 yet?

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stevieman:

hmmm weird, oh that might be because I for some reason had to adjust to position in Myth so part of the screen wasn't cut off

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wagnerrp:

no, its only beer-18

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Beirdo:

dangit

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Beirdo:

:)

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stevieman:

Beirdo: your 42 mins late, time to catch up ;)

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Beirdo:

heh, well, local time's 10:19am. I think I'll finish the coffee first

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stevieman:

Beirdo: Well have it your way then, he he

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Beirdo:

could use some rum for the coffee though

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Beirdo:

OK, people in my Fantasy Baseball league need to wake up... I'm sending trade requests (post-season) and no response

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Beirdo:

Oooh. Sabathia vs Verlander... That would be a good game to watch

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stevieman:

wagnerrp: Did you see anything in the log that might account for mytharchive dieing?

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wagnerrp:

looked like it was installed incorrectly

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wagnerrp:

complaining about a bunch of null images

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wagnerrp:

meaning it didnt have files to pull then from

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stevieman:

hmm, I wonder if something went wrong during the update?

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Moscherkobold:

hello, I still have troube to add channels for dvb-c analog, i think the problem is the grabber, anyone from germany here? which grabber should i use?

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wagnerrp:

huh?

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wagnerrp:

DVB-C analog... does not compute

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Moscherkobold:

I am using a sundtek device for cable, with two tuners inside, analog and digital

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Moscherkobold:

and i cant the analog part working

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wagnerrp:

you dont want to get the analog part working

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Moscherkobold:

i want

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** wagnerrp waves hand like a jedi **

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wagnerrp:

the analog functionality is not what you are looking for

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Moscherkobold:

because not all channels are available in digital

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Moscherkobold:

at least in germany :)

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wagnerrp:

if you want analog, you want an MPEG encoder card

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wagnerrp:

which that sundtek card is almost certainly not

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Moscherkobold:

not it is not an mpeg card

[17:51:14]

Moscherkobold:

but basically it is working, i can watch analog with some other software

[17:51:21]

Moscherkobold:

but with mythtv it is not possible so far

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wagnerrp:

tvtime or xawtv?

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Moscherkobold:

tvtime for example is working

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wagnerrp:

your card is what is called a framegrabber

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wagnerrp:

framegrabbers are great for viewing, which is what tvtime does

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wagnerrp:

tvtime takes the frames out of the capture buffer, pushes them to the display buffer, and thats it, its done

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wagnerrp:

for recording, mythtv has to capture those frames, encode it in real time, capture the audio somehow, encode it, and multiplex them together

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wagnerrp:

its a non-trivial process for mythtv to perform, or for you to configure

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wagnerrp:

you would be much better off trying to find a cheap used PVR-150

[17:54:43]

wagnerrp:

and using the sundtek for digital only

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Moscherkobold:

hmm

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Moscherkobold:

could you tell me what i have to do to make the analog working with my device?

[17:56:20]

Moscherkobold:

i cant find anything in the mythtv wiki or howto or whatwver

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wagnerrp:

configure it as a V4L tuner, figure out what device to capture from and tell mythtv

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Moscherkobold:

ok done

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wagnerrp:

as for getting channels, i think scanning for analog should work

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wagnerrp:

over here, we pull analog lineups from schedules direct

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wagnerrp:

i dont know if thats a possibility for XMLTV grabbers

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Moscherkobold:

someone told me that i can not perform a channel scan

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wagnerrp:

at some point in the past, it was broken

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wagnerrp:

i dont know if that is still the case

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Moscherkobold:

i was told to configure a grabber and select "fetch channels from listings source" instead of "scan for channels"

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wagnerrp:

for north american users, that is correct

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wagnerrp:

i dont know if that works for xmltv users

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Moscherkobold:

hmm i need someone who knows the right way for german users :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Moscherkobold: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/XMLTV

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Moscherkobold:

i have installed and selected the proposed grabber thing for germany

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J-e-f-f-A:

Moscherkobold: I'm from the US, so I'm afraid all I can do is Google myself...

[18:02:22]

Moscherkobold:

i think i will move to us it seems to be a lot easier over there

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wagnerrp:

Moscherkobold: its a simple function of the majority of developers being from the us or canada

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wagnerrp:

there are only... four? in england, two more in australia

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Moscherkobold:

if i perform a channel scan i get a "cant find any new channels" after some minutes

[18:05:20]

Moscherkobold:

but if i look in the channel table there are some channels added

[18:05:40]

Moscherkobold:

but without any further informations like channel name or so

[18:05:58]

Moscherkobold:

and i cant watch these channels in the frontend

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J-e-f-f-A:

Moscherkobold: From the Wiki: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/DVB-C

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Moscherkobold:

step4 is working for digital only

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Moscherkobold:

with analog there is no option to set freq etc before the scan

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dekarl:

frankjh: WRT DVB Radio, in livetv with dvbradio I get "Waited to long for video buffers. Exiting" after 20 seconds. Just tested a radio recording via fake FREEBOX, recording and playback seems to be ok. (mono 22kHz mp3 internet stream, mythfrontend didn't really like to play it up to 0.23 or thereabout)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ah, that's right – there are places in the world that still have analog... Humm — on your Analog "Capture Card" – you probably have to change the channel frequency table.

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Moscherkobold:

for scan type i can only choose "full scan" or "import existing scan"

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dekarl:

Moscherkobold: uhh, have you tried asking in #mythtv-de? (I know, crazy idea :)

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Moscherkobold:

sorry i thought there is no myth-tv de :)

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Moscherkobold:

i will try :)

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** J-e-f-f-A didn't know there was a #mythtv-de channel either... **

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Moscherkobold:

only 12 people there :)

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dekarl:

IIRC they moved from some private IRC server some months ago

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dekarl:

maybe that's because germany is VDR land?

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Moscherkobold:

hmm but vdr can not play analog at all?!

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dekarl:

All I know about VDR is what I read in their wiki regarding epg data sources

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justinh:

vdr is all in one box or else. I know that much. And the 1990s called. they want their DVR back

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justinh:

wagnerrp, Moscherkobold you cannot get channel tuning information from xmltv for analogue sources

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justinh:

Moscherkobold: in mythtv-setup an analogue scan will go through the whole of the TV band (according to what you set for your country/frequency table) to find channels

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justinh:

if you then want to use xmltv EPG data for analogue channels you will have to assign each analogue channel an xmltvid yourself. It's not fun

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justinh:

and if, you've already set up an xmltv data source for a video source in mythtv-setup without first editing the channels to add the xmltvids yourself, the first run on mythfilldatabase (which mythtv-setup itself says you should do) will insert a bunch of untuneable channels populated with EPG data. Ha

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justinh:

Seeker`: FWIW that's what bugged me the most about the harmony remote. it sucked. you can turn the intra-key delay down to as little (!) as 100msec

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justinh:

as for the reason it's a 'computer controlled' remote you'd have thought it'd be fast. Heh. OneForAll for the win

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laga_:

justinh: analog scan is gone, AFAIK

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justinh:

really?

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justinh:

heh. next up, dumping analogue framegrabbing? :-D

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Seeker`:

justinh: got mine set to 0ms atm

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Seeker`:

but that is ms on top of the 1000ms delay they have due to poor coding

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justinh:

my 515 could only have the repeat rate set down to 100ms

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justinh:

the inter-key delay could only be as little as that too IIRC – ie. between different buttons

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Ankhwatcher:

Hey, I have my movies and tv shows sorted into folders and samba'd out to the network. If I make those folders Storage Directories, will MythTV move and edit the files or just allow me to play them through Myth?

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justinh:

mythtv won't move any files

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wagnerrp:

mythtv doesnt do anything to your files other than read them

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justinh:

it can delete files in video storage groups

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Beirdo:

whoah. These demo songs have a lot of 60Hz hum in them :)

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wagnerrp:

only if you tell it to

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justinh:

if you let it :-)

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Beirdo:

in the few quiet moments, all ya hear is 60Hz

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justinh:

notch it out ;)

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Beirdo:

yeah well, it's not my recordings, I'm just noticing it :)

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Ankhwatcher:

okay sounds good

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Ankhwatcher:

the wiki phrased it like the storage groups would make the files completely unusable somehow.

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Beirdo:

Oh crap, I forgot to bring in my new Megadeth CD to rip onto the computer. I suck, it must be Monday.

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Ankhwatcher:

Beirdo: sneaky day, did you know there is one in every week? scary.

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Beirdo:

yeah, it just keeps on sneaking up on me

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rhpot1991:

crap, accidentally clicked never record for something in mythweb, any idea how I can figure out what it was an undo?

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laga_:

should be listed in the recording rules, no?

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wagnerrp:

never record, meaning he just deleted the rule

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wagnerrp:

hit the back button repeatedly?

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rhpot1991:

wagnerrp: its ajax magic

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rhpot1991:

the never record button on the upcoming recording page to be clear

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rhpot1991:

laga_: I checked there, don

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rhpot1991:

t see anything

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rhpot1991:

also long time no see laga_

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wagnerrp:

oh, those buttons only create overrides

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rhpot1991:

wagnerrp: ya

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wagnerrp:

they create new rules, rather than removing old ones

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wagnerrp:

you should be able to see it in your list of recording rules, like laga suggests

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rhpot1991:

maybe I'm safe then

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rhpot1991:

I don't see anything in there that I care about

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laga_:

rhpot1991: hai there :)

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jm|laptop:

hello

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jm|laptop:

if I compile MythTV 0.24.1 will it be compatible with my old 'svn' build?

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jm|laptop:

i.e. will the database work

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jm|laptop:

MythTV Version : 27420 MythTV Branch : trunk Network Protocol : 64 Library API : 0.25.20101127–1

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jm|laptop:

I'm worried about the API 0.25 bit

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justinh:

for best service & times of goodness, better be installed the versions of all the same type

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justinh:

sorry, I've been translating user manuals

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jm|laptop:

justinh: sure, I will upgrade my frontends in due course

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jm|laptop:

oh

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justinh:

nah seriously, better to be safe than sorry – keep all mythtv versions the same whenever possible, even down to the minor numbers

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jm|laptop:

sure

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justinh:

the library API version numbers not being the same will likely cause you problems – and database schema changes certainly will

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Twiggy2cents:

Woo Hoo for twice the tuning capability

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wagnerrp:

jm|laptop: 0.24 and 0.24.1 are protocol version 63

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wagnerrp:

your existing system will not function

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jm|laptop:

rouch

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jm|laptop:

I did it .... it seems to be working :S

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wagnerrp:

now whether the database is compatible to revert... cant tell from the given information

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jm|laptop:

I'm guessing the schema is good *phew*

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jm|laptop:

well; some parts at least

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wagnerrp:

im thinking the 0.24.1 schema is 1264

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wagnerrp:

so if you are running anything newer than that, you must run the development version

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Twiggy2cents:

wagnerrp, i just added my 2nd tuner and in mythweb it shows 3 tuners now. 2 and 3 are the same device(same exact path). If I record off of the 2nd tuner, the 2nd shows recording and the 3rd shows idle.

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Twiggy2cents:

Any ideas what I did wrong?

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wagnerrp:

the first tuner is an analog tuner?

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Twiggy2cents:

Nope

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wagnerrp:

digital?

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Twiggy2cents:

This is what tuner 2 and 3 say /dev/dvb/adapter1/frontend0

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wagnerrp:

if your first tuner is digital, you configured it wrong

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wagnerrp:

tuners 2 and 3 seem to be configured properly

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jm|laptop:

I like the confidence of devels :)

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Twiggy2cents:

I only have 2 cards defined and 2 input connections defined

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wagnerrp:

the behavior you are indicating is what happens with 'multi-rec'

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Twiggy2cents:

1 is the original and 2&3 are the new one

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wagnerrp:

one digital tuner can capture multiple streams simultaneously

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Twiggy2cents:

It is the same card as 1

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jm|laptop:

hooray for muxen

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jm|laptop:

saves me a fortune in cards

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wagnerrp:

mythtv creates multiple virtual tuners for each physical digital tuner as an easy way to make that work with the scheduler

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Twiggy2cents:

Multiple streams? Coming from the same frequency I would imagine?

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wagnerrp:

since your first physical digital tuner only has one tuner listed, then you are only able to capture one stream at a time

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wagnerrp:

yes, each physical channel can carry multiple virtual channels

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Twiggy2cents:

Your correct, is there any harm in having it set at 2 instead of 1?

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wagnerrp:

for instance around here, ABC has a weather channel, CBS carries CW, FOX has a movie channel, PBS has half a dozen different broadcasts on their one frequency

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wagnerrp:

the only harm is it can cause some confusion with livetv

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Twiggy2cents:

so 3.1 and 3.2, 12.1 12.2 12.3 sorta thing?

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Twiggy2cents:

What confusion?

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wagnerrp:

if you are using a virtual tuner on a physical already being used for some other recording or livetv session

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wagnerrp:

you will be unable to change channels outside that multiplexx

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wagnerrp:

as doing so would screw up the other user

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wagnerrp:

you can specify up to five virtual tuners per physical card

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jm|laptop:

wagnerrp: I wondered about that limit

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jm|laptop:

is it hard coded?

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wagnerrp:

soft coded in the setup menu

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jm|laptop:

is it USB1 through put or something?

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jm|laptop:

oic

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Twiggy2cents:

Gotcha, thanks

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Twiggy2cents:

wagnerrp, you and the rest of the team spend way too much time with this stuff :)

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wagnerrp:

but it is intentionally limited due to some hardware limitations of certain tuner cards

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jm|laptop:

I see.

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jm|laptop:

UK DVB-T2 "Freeview HD" currently has all the HD on one mux

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jm|laptop:

which is a godsend for single DVB-T2 card users like me

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wagnerrp:

eew

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Twiggy2cents:

I decided to try and see if my cable internet(no other services) was sending cable tv with it. Turns out it wasnt :(

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jm|laptop:

eew?

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wagnerrp:

T2 has what... 30Mbps per mux?

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jm|laptop:

ah

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jm|laptop:

wagnerrp: there is some interesting compression :)

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Twiggy2cents:

But I am not sure. All the documentation on this tuner says that it doesnt have qam, but dmesg mentioned something about qam. When searching on the cable line under any of the options except 8-vsb it had 29% signal. It found no channels though

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Twiggy2cents:

Will it read a signal if the card doesnt support qam?

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wagnerrp:

depends on how it measures signal

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wagnerrp:

what card?

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jm|laptop:

wagnerrp: tbh @720p the AAC compression for BBC HD* isn't that bad – and the file sizes are waaay lower than DVB-S2 from, say, FreeSat

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jm|laptop:

I did not experience a degradation of image quality when I moved from DVB-S2 to DVB-T2 for the same channels

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Twiggy2cents:

ati tv wonder 600 USB. linuxtv says that qam is not supported and I see nothing of it in the adapters doc's

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Twiggy2cents:

DVB: registering adapter 0 frontend 0 (LG Electronics LGDT3303 VSB/QAM Frontend)

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Twiggy2cents:

Is that generic?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: How much time are we allowing accounts before we're gonna ban them? A few probable spammers in the past couple adys

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iamlindoro:

Did we add anything to auto-ban? I know we talked about it but didn't know if you looked into it

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wagnerrp:

havent yet implemented it

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wagnerrp:

i wasnt going to ban people, but outright remove their accounts

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