| Friday, September 30th, 2011, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:53] | pyther: | hmm I see it in the config, interesting |
| [00:01:57] | wagnerrp: | jya: there we go... now jack_lsp is reporting something |
| [00:02:05] | wagnerrp: | seems jack_netsource doesnt accept hostnames, only IPs |
| [00:02:23] | jya: | I'm not sure you'll get what you want with jack |
| [00:02:36] | jya: | jack seems to require RT as close as possible |
| [00:02:54] | jya: | even on my VM on a i7–2600 (3.4GHz) it's barely usable |
| [00:02:59] | wagnerrp: | yeah, it complained when it wasnt allowed to nice itself up in priority |
| [00:03:18] | jya: | With realtime priority, it's almost there |
| [00:03:26] | jya: | I had to set in /etc/security/limits.conf |
| [00:03:33] | wagnerrp: | i had messed around with it a while back between my laptop (P3 1GHz) and desktop |
| [00:03:41] | wagnerrp: | it was jerky |
| [00:03:46] | jya: | @audio – memlock unlimited |
| [00:03:47] | jya: | @audio – rtprio 100 |
| [00:03:47] | jya: | @audio – nice -10 |
| [00:03:47] | wagnerrp: | i assume thats what youre talking about |
| [00:13:53] | jya: | wagnerrp: http://pastebin.com/Mj4TJfSu |
| [00:14:39] | jya: | actually that's the patch for 0.24 |
| [00:14:44] | jya: | let me do the master one |
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| [00:18:01] | jya: | http://pastebin.com/Hr822xmg |
| [00:19:31] | wagnerrp: | thanks, ill give it a try later tonight once i stop recording |
| [00:20:04] | jya: | I'll be committing this change to master |
| [00:20:11] | jya: | it's the same code in 0.24 |
| [00:20:23] | jya: | here we have the proof that no mythtv use jack :) |
| [00:20:48] | jya: | not even the author of that code |
| [00:21:40] | wagnerrp: | hehe |
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| [00:27:37] | jya: | git isn't as smart anymore, it's unable to merge master code into fixes/0.24 due to the rename of a file |
| [00:27:40] | jya: | it used to work fine |
| [00:27:55] | jya: | I guess to many changes occurred, and it lost track of those changes |
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| [00:46:58] | jya: | hum… now that I've fixed jack, getting into the audio config screen takes forever because it starts jack automatically |
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| [00:53:12] | Gabz: | hi, i would like to know if you can turn off recording for a input i have my wii connected to the composite 1 input and the time delay by recording the channel for the time lapse makes it unusable |
| [00:57:35] | tgm4883: | Gabz, AFAIK you cannot turn off the time delay |
| [00:57:51] | tgm4883: | IIRC, that isn't mythtv introducing the delay |
| [00:58:16] | Gabz: | xawtv has no delay same with vlc |
| [00:59:17] | tgm4883: | I stand corrected |
| [00:59:34] | tgm4883: | Gabz, so you just want to set it so it won't record from that tuner right now? |
| [01:02:24] | Gabz: | well i want the delay gone so that it's useable i assume turning of the time laspe feature on that input would do it |
| [01:03:16] | wagnerrp: | Gabz: there is no "time lapse feature" |
| [01:03:23] | wagnerrp: | there is the fact that mythtv records everything to disk |
| [01:03:29] | wagnerrp: | and then the frontend reads it back to disk |
| [01:03:42] | wagnerrp: | so the frontend enforces a time delay to ensure there is actually video data to read |
| [01:03:58] | wagnerrp: | mythtv cannot be used for absolutely live content |
| [01:04:01] | Gabz: | yes what wagnerrp said ... but it sounds like i can't turn it of because that's how it's designed ? |
| [01:04:07] | wagnerrp: | you will not get it closer than around two seconds |
| [01:04:19] | wagnerrp: | there is nothing to turn off |
| [01:04:38] | Gabz: | bugger ok lucky i only spent $10 to buy the winfast 2000h then... |
| [01:04:42] | wagnerrp: | thats simply a consequence needed to make the frontend/backend split function |
| [01:04:55] | wagnerrp: | do you not have a TV you can plug the wii into? |
| [01:05:27] | Gabz: | no we only have have 24 inch monitor with dvi vga and hdmi plugs |
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| [01:05:52] | Gabz: | i can make it work with vlc just won't intergrate with the rest of the myth setup i guess |
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| [01:06:21] | wagnerrp: | you can add a menu entry that runs xawtv or tvtime |
| [01:07:33] | Gabz: | ok do you have a link to a howto or something ? |
| [01:07:51] | wagnerrp: | not off hand, you need to edit the menu XML |
| [01:08:28] | Gabz: | ok well thanks for clearing that up |
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| [01:30:50] | mattwj2002: | hi guys |
| [01:31:43] | mattwj2002: | is there any way to take mythtv recordings and burn them to a bluray video disc? |
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| [01:38:05] | larrikin: | wagnerrp: fwiw (not much..) I finally figured out that the chip in that DVB-T dongle is an Arcsoft AF9015 .. |
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| [01:40:35] | wagnerrp: | af9105 has gotten support in the last year or so |
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| [01:40:52] | wagnerrp: | i know there are several other dongles that use it |
| [01:41:23] | larrikin: | yeah, and that device is available for ~usd$10 ... |
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| [01:57:13] | mattwj2002: | how do you get mytharchive to create a new dvd? |
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| [01:57:27] | mattwj2002: | I accidently added all of my recordings |
| [02:01:12] | mattwj2002: | nvm |
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| [02:15:18] | jya: | wagnerrp: I've pushed the JACK fixes.. try using "JACK:" as device name (the default) or JACK:system |
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| [02:15:50] | ** Beirdo scratches his head ** | |
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| [02:16:50] | wagnerrp: | will do, still recording for another 45 minutes |
| [02:17:10] | wagnerrp: | the boot image for my dev box and my database live on the same mirror |
| [02:17:23] | wagnerrp: | compiling a new version of myth will likely cause enough IO to cause problems |
| [02:18:26] | Beirdo: | try.c:5: error: fixed-point types not supported for this target |
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| [02:18:37] | Beirdo: | seems I must slap this toolchain about a bit :) |
| [02:18:59] | jya: | hum, found a bug in the speaker-test bit… always play the left speaker |
| [02:19:25] | Twiggy2cents: | does mythtv-setup stop mythbackend? |
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| [02:20:15] | wagnerrp: | depends on whose mythtv-setup youre running |
| [02:20:22] | Twiggy2cents: | the real one |
| [02:20:39] | wagnerrp: | it will warn you that the backend is running, and give you the option to terminate it |
| [02:21:20] | Twiggy2cents: | But I dont have to? Basically it is recording right now and I want to look at my mythvideo sg settings. Would that be an issue that I should wait till the recordings done? |
| [02:21:42] | wagnerrp: | depends on what youre doing |
| [02:21:47] | wagnerrp: | some operations can be disruptive |
| [02:21:52] | wagnerrp: | other operations arent |
| [02:22:01] | wagnerrp: | still other require the backend be restarted before they take effect |
| [02:22:09] | wagnerrp: | hence the warning, rather than outright refusal to do anything |
| [02:22:18] | Twiggy2cents: | I suppose I should probably wait |
| [02:22:42] | Twiggy2cents: | My mythvideo sg is invalid after updating the packages |
| [02:22:45] | wagnerrp: | no harm can come from just looking at settings |
| [02:23:19] | Twiggy2cents: | but what is weird is that I can watch the videos, I just get the error if I scan for changes |
| [02:25:35] | wagnerrp: | what is the error?? |
| [02:25:40] | Twiggy2cents: | ummm |
| [02:26:03] | Twiggy2cents: | hang on. I think it is the standard path is nonexistant error. Lemme check |
| [02:27:11] | Twiggy2cents: | Failed to scan sg video hosts: darren If they no longer please remove |
| [02:27:21] | Twiggy2cents: | Come to think of it I think I might know what is going on |
| [02:27:40] | wagnerrp: | you have groups defined on a host that is not connected |
| [02:28:21] | Twiggy2cents: | yes |
| [02:28:46] | Twiggy2cents: | I dunno how it was started. I have that backend service turned off. |
| [02:29:04] | wagnerrp: | its not started |
| [02:29:08] | wagnerrp: | thats the problem |
| [02:29:19] | wagnerrp: | mythvideo thinks there are files there, because you told it so |
| [02:29:27] | wagnerrp: | but it cannot connect to the backend on that host to scan |
| [02:29:40] | wagnerrp: | its a non-fatal error |
| [02:29:50] | wagnerrp: | files expected to be on that host will not be flushed |
| [02:31:25] | wagnerrp: | it also means scanning will take significantly longer, because it will attempt to connect to that host, and have to wait for the connection to time out |
| [02:32:10] | Twiggy2cents: | do I need to restart the MBE after disconnecting the SBE to make it refresh the sg's? |
| [02:32:41] | wagnerrp: | no, the frontend reads the storage groups at time of scan |
| [02:32:47] | wagnerrp: | so you do not have to restart anything |
| [02:33:03] | wagnerrp: | further, you can only edit the storage groups for that host, while running mythtv-setup on that host |
| [02:33:14] | wagnerrp: | running it on the backend will not allow you to solve the problem |
| [02:33:18] | Twiggy2cents: | okay |
| [02:35:12] | Twiggy2cents: | Can I remove mythbackend if I am not running a backend on that computer? I cant remember if I installed that separately or not |
| [02:35:38] | wagnerrp: | you can, and you'll save all of about 3MB in the process |
| [02:35:57] | wagnerrp: | plus you'll hose up your package manager, since you deleted a file without the package manager knowing |
| [02:36:10] | Twiggy2cents: | I meant can I remove it via the package manager |
| [02:36:14] | Twiggy2cents: | safely |
| [02:36:42] | Twiggy2cents: | The only reason I would want to remove it is because the script/service that starts mythbackend is set to off and somehow it started its self |
| [02:38:46] | wagnerrp: | you had to terminate it? |
| [02:39:13] | Twiggy2cents: | yes |
| [02:39:19] | Twiggy2cents: | the SBE |
| [02:39:25] | Twiggy2cents: | It wasnt even supposed to be running |
| [02:39:53] | wagnerrp: | were it running, you shouldnt have gotten that error |
| [02:40:06] | Twiggy2cents: | It is not configured correctly. |
| [02:40:24] | Twiggy2cents: | It was a failed attempt at accessing videos on both computers |
| [02:44:49] | Twiggy2cents: | So is there any idea when trunk is going to be the next awesome major release? |
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| [02:54:32] | sphery: | wagnerrp / Beirdo : was saving it because some devs get all bent out of shape if you delete a table without a release in between--you know because of how we encourage people to downgrade and use the already-upgraded database with the old version of mythtv |
| [02:55:02] | Twiggy2cents: | sphery, did you watch terra nova? |
| [02:55:24] | sphery: | I'd prefer to push the change that removes it (have the patch ready to go)... So, having 2 agree that it should go may push me to push. |
| [02:55:40] | sphery: | Twiggy2cents: no, been really busy with work--and not near my mythtv box |
| [02:55:45] | wagnerrp: | if the code doesnt use it, theres no reason for it to exist |
| [02:55:57] | wagnerrp: | especially on something like the relatively unused database logging |
| [02:56:07] | sphery: | wagnerrp: agreed... except some devs run -fixes with trunk dbs |
| [02:56:27] | Twiggy2cents: | Man life would be rough with no pvr |
| [02:56:29] | wagnerrp: | and then they can add the table back manually and break schema |
| [02:56:58] | wagnerrp: | besides, its not like theyre doing that currently |
| [02:56:59] | Beirdo: | sphery: yeah, I'd be happy to see it gone |
| [02:57:05] | sphery: | Twiggy2cents: hehe, I'm still watching tv--just have it on my laptop. the dvr is still there, but in collection mode |
| [02:57:08] | wagnerrp: | too many changes that would have broken things |
| [02:58:01] | sphery: | well, I'll plan to push it (maybe this weekend), but this time, I'll actually mention names when people yell at me |
| [02:58:09] | sphery: | :D |
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| [03:08:09] | Led-Hed: | I have recordings that wont delete. backend logs say .mpg should be local, but it can not be found. |
| [03:08:27] | sphery: | moved from one host to another? |
| [03:08:38] | Led-Hed: | if the files dont exist thats fine, but how to I clean the recordings from the DB |
| [03:08:39] | sphery: | in an unmounted file system? |
| [03:08:51] | sphery: | if it doesn't exist you just have to delete it |
| [03:09:17] | Led-Hed: | it deletes then 1 min later it comes right back |
| [03:09:36] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Q . . . t_on_disk.3F |
| [03:09:39] | Led-Hed: | deletes from the frontend, not the db |
| [03:09:49] | Led-Hed: | sphery, thank you |
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| [03:28:52] | Led-Hed: | sphery, thanks again. I never knew of myth.find_orphans.pl. worked perfectly |
| [03:29:13] | wagnerrp: | sphery: perhaps that page needs to be revised? |
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| [03:31:48] | tlhiv_laptop: | wagnerrp: do you ever sleep? |
| [03:34:14] | wagnerrp: | i can sleep when im dead |
| [03:34:39] | tlhiv_laptop: | :-) |
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| [05:42:22] | dekarl: | lapion, might also try https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commits/fixes/0.24/ that's always up to date |
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| [06:16:22] | wagnerrp: | Beirdo: 84 transcodes and one error so far |
| [06:16:33] | wagnerrp: | failed to decode frame zero |
| [06:20:37] | Beirdo: | not bad at all |
| [06:20:47] | Beirdo: | that one, does it play back properly? |
| [06:20:51] | wagnerrp: | plays fine |
| [06:20:54] | Beirdo: | hmm |
| [06:21:23] | wagnerrp: | and frame zero is in a cut area |
| [06:21:44] | Beirdo: | interesting |
| [06:22:12] | Beirdo: | I dunno off hand, but if you keep that one around, we can debug it |
| [06:22:37] | wagnerrp: | its not going anywhere |
| [06:23:09] | wagnerrp: | especially considering those 84 transcodes freed up around 150GB |
| [06:23:17] | wagnerrp: | enough for several weeks of recordings |
| [06:25:28] | wagnerrp: | brings me to around -2.5TB on my RAID array |
| [06:26:08] | wagnerrp: | (2.5TB that should be on there, but im out of room) |
| [06:26:44] | wagnerrp: | i really need to replace that |
| [06:26:59] | wagnerrp: | honestly, im surprised i havent had problems with the old 750s starting to fail |
| [06:29:03] | lapion: | dekarl, thank you. |
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| [07:01:34] | map7_: | I'm having a lot of trouble with my remote front-ends not wanting to connect to my mythtv server, can anyone help? |
| [07:02:01] | map7_: | I keep getting the error 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' |
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| [07:20:29] | map7_: | I can connect to mysql through a frontend on the command line |
| [07:20:45] | map7_: | But it doesn't want to connect in mythtv |
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| [07:36:57] | k-man: | do you have any working fe? |
| [07:40:11] | map7_: | Yes on the backend server the frontend works |
| [07:40:37] | map7_: | I have a diskless machine which boots but doesn't not see the backend database |
| [07:41:10] | map7_: | It did at the start of the day. Seems like the only change that breaks it is the location of the overlay files |
| [07:45:42] | lapion: | map7_, did you reboot the diskless system ? |
| [07:46:15] | map7_: | Yes many times |
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| [07:47:06] | lapion: | does the diskless system have any data storage device whatsoever ? ( such as the usb stick from which it boots ? |
| [07:47:22] | map7_: | no |
| [07:47:37] | map7_: | It's just an Atom board with PXE boot |
| [07:47:47] | lapion: | are you sure the system correctly configures the network card ? |
| [07:48:02] | lapion: | ok that's not it.. |
| [07:48:17] | map7_: | It does boot into the GUI |
| [07:48:54] | lapion: | Does it use an nfs or other networked filesystem ? |
| [07:49:17] | map7_: | The thing that broke it was changing over the hard drive which is mounted in /var/cache/mythbuntu-diskless/overlay |
| [07:49:23] | map7_: | nfs |
| [07:50:19] | map7_: | I've kept my cache for diskless systems on a spare disk for ages and this is good because sometimes people fill up the cache on the thin clients |
| [07:50:26] | lapion: | if you are planning on using a diskless mythbuntu system then use an actual diskless system, run everything from ramdisk. |
| [07:50:55] | justinh: | sigh. the only problem is that the frontend can't see the database, which is easy to fix |
| [07:51:14] | justinh: | well, that & the frontend is on stupid lame hardware but nothing can be done about that now |
| [07:51:24] | lapion: | i'd use a tmpfs to store caches on |
| [07:52:09] | lapion: | no need to keep caches lying around |
| [07:52:48] | map7_: | I've tried removing all the cache files and it still has the same issue when trying to connect to the database |
| [07:53:13] | map7_: | First it says No UPnP, then I get the DB config screen 1/2 |
| [07:53:43] | lapion: | have you tried running a fe on another system ? |
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| [07:54:21] | lapion: | have you tried running a fe on another system ? |
| [07:54:37] | lapion: | map7_, see if you can ping the be ? |
| [07:54:39] | map7_: | no I haven't as my notebook has a later version |
| [07:54:47] | map7_: | I can ping the backend |
| [07:54:54] | map7_: | I can ssh to it as well |
| [07:54:58] | map7_: | from the diskless system |
| [07:55:13] | map7_: | I can even connect to the mythconverg on the command line with user 'mythtv' and my password |
| [07:55:25] | map7_: | but not through the mythfrontend setup |
| [07:56:03] | lapion: | check if the firewall is running on the fe |
| [07:56:21] | lapion: | make sure the be i set up to allow remote boxes as well.. |
| [07:56:42] | map7_: | there is no firewal on the diskless systems |
| [07:57:39] | map7_: | It's all to do with this drive swap I did this morning as I mentioned earlier. If I put the smaller drive back in it all works again |
| [07:58:02] | map7_: | It's like it will not move it's overlay/cache files elsewhere |
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| [07:59:47] | lapion: | I assume you created the correct filesystems and made sure the fe machine mounts the partition on the swapped drive at the correct location |
| [08:00:04] | map7_: | The mythtv-backend is setup for remote boxes, it's all pointing to it's IP and not localhost |
| [08:00:23] | lapion: | map7_, did you copy the fs on the original drive over to the new one ? |
| [08:01:01] | map7_: | yes I tried that using 'rsync -av /mnt/old /mnt/new' |
| [08:01:05] | map7_: | and it didn't work |
| [08:01:26] | lapion: | map7_, you either have to use gparted/parted to duplicate the fs, and grow it, opr make sure the new fs has the same UUID as the original |
| [08:02:17] | map7_: | Why does it have to have the same UUID? I changed the UUID for the mount point in fstab. Is it referenced elsewhere? |
| [08:02:33] | lapion: | otherwhise fstab will not mount the new fs on the new hdd correctly |
| [08:03:01] | map7_: | I did change my fstab and it was mounting the new drive |
| [08:03:19] | map7_: | in the correct /var/cache/mythbuntu-diskless/overlay |
| [08:03:37] | lapion: | did you simply change the uuid in the fstab or did you create a new fstab line ? |
| [08:03:58] | map7_: | I changed the uuid in the fstab directly |
| [08:04:01] | map7_: | rebooted |
| [08:04:10] | map7_: | and it broke |
| [08:04:27] | map7_: | Then I reversed that change and it worked again |
| [08:04:49] | map7_: | Then I thought maybe it doesn't like the new drive, |
| [08:04:49] | lapion: | check the mode of the original fs and chmod the files accordingly . |
| [08:05:16] | lapion: | make sure the uid's on the files/folders of the new fs are correct |
| [08:05:20] | map7_: | Yes I did it was root 755 |
| [08:05:47] | lapion: | better make a duplicate of the original fs using gparted so you can be certain everything is exactly the same |
| [08:05:50] | map7_: | should I be using rsync -av to copy? |
| [08:06:09] | map7_: | Yeah I agree, I'll try gparted |
| [08:06:47] | map7_: | It just seems really weird to me, I thought that I could just delete those cache files or move them about and it wouldn't matter. |
| [08:07:01] | map7_: | I have deleted them in the past but not moved them. |
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| [08:07:17] | map7_: | I've deleted all of them once to reset all the frontends and that worked |
| [08:07:46] | elkin: | hi, I just noticed some changes involving MythMenu... what is it and do I have to do changes to my themes? |
| [08:08:28] | ** justinh bites his lip ** | |
| [08:08:36] | lapion: | settings are all saved in the database |
| [08:08:43] | justinh: | elkin: read the commit log |
| [08:08:55] | justinh: | maybe look at the mythcenter changes that were committed |
| [08:09:40] | elkin: | justinh: any specific commit? the one about the WatchRecordings scren has no comments |
| [08:10:45] | justinh: | looks like if you're not using <triggerevent> you'll be fine |
| [08:11:14] | justinh: | god, why do we need arrow key accelerators anyway? FFS just let people with crap remotes die |
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| [08:28:40] | map7_: | lapion, I just swapped the drive back for now and it's working again, When I have time I'll try what you suggested |
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| [08:56:52] | hashbang: | morning all |
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| [09:04:14] | justinh: | honestly though, why are concessions to people with silly remotes still being made? |
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| [09:06:13] | notlistening: | Morning, any one else reporting mythweb issues since last night? |
| [09:06:26] | justinh: | what? |
| [09:06:58] | justinh: | fwiw, coming in here saying stuff is wrong is not what I'd consider 'reporting' |
| [09:07:19] | notlistening: | I update from the nightly mythbuntu fixes repo and mythweb stopped working |
| [09:08:17] | notlistening: | only an error in the access log of apache a 500 error code |
| [09:08:23] | justinh: | I got rid of the mythbuntu repo stuff & suddenly I don't have any mythtv problems |
| [09:08:38] | notlistening: | justinh what do you use now? |
| [09:08:45] | justinh: | 'an error' ? wow. that's really descriptive |
| [09:09:03] | justinh: | I build from source now |
| [09:09:12] | notlistening: | lol I have search for something more to go on and found nothing |
| [09:09:13] | justinh: | as I have done in the past. I'm never going back |
| [09:10:02] | justinh: | so this 'error' then.. what does it say in the log? |
| [09:10:52] | notlistening: | 192.168.1.82 – - [30/Sep/2011:09:56:18 +0100] "GET /mythweb/ HTTP/1.1" 500 274 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/7.0.1" |
| [09:11:14] | justinh: | that's from the access.log by the look of it |
| [09:11:20] | notlistening: | it is |
| [09:11:35] | justinh: | so look at the error.log |
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| [09:12:00] | notlistening: | nothing since the last restart |
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| [09:12:18] | justinh: | well no, not since you haven't tried to access mythweb I'll bet |
| [09:12:35] | notlistening: | I have ;) but let me try again for you |
| [09:13:11] | justinh: | also IMHO purely mythbuntu related problems should be kept in #mythbuntu |
| [09:13:40] | notlistening: | ;) okay |
| [09:13:48] | justinh: | I don't care if they take a long time to answer |
| [09:14:09] | notlistening: | lol maybe i should start building from source |
| [09:15:15] | justinh: | I dunno why anybody even sees that a nightly build of -fixes is necessary – at least not when they do away with older versions so fast |
| [09:16:07] | justinh: | that really bugged me about the -fixes repo.. you'd have certain elements installed on a box, go to install new ones.. and suddenly find they were no longer available.. so you had to apt-get update :-\ |
| [09:16:51] | justinh: | which for me defeated the object of using packages – to avoid maintaining 2 systems running the same software |
| [09:16:52] | notlistening: | yes that is a problem i think i might have had |
| [09:17:53] | notlistening: | right i am building from source |
| [09:18:11] | justinh: | so when apache gives you the 500 error, there's nowt in the error log about it? |
| [09:18:31] | justinh: | AFAIK it should report that it gave you the 500 error in access.log, but say why in error.log |
| [09:18:42] | notlistening: | nothing, there are so errors when i try to restart apache |
| [09:18:56] | justinh: | some errors when you restart apache? maybe look into that then |
| [09:23:31] | notlistening: | this is what i get [Fri Sep 30 09:55:13 2011] [warn] child process 1468 still did not exit, sending a SIGTERM |
| [09:23:35] | justinh: | GRRR. company hasn't paid my expenses yet |
| [09:23:51] | notlistening: | this is repeated about 10 times |
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| [09:32:15] | justinh: | so something is making apache hang |
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| [11:23:27] | mattwj2002: | hi guys |
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| [11:57:43] | justinh: | gah. that kde-look.org website doesn't get any better does it? |
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| [12:05:16] | BCMM: | i am considering setting up MythTV for parents. The computer in question doesn't have a TV receiver (the TV it connects to has freeview instead), and it wouldn't be used for recording live TV. Instead, it would be used to play video files, in various formats, stored on the hard disk, possibly rip DVDs and play BBC iPlayer. Would MythTV be suitable for this sort of task? |
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| [12:05:56] | dcg_: | It certainly is |
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| [12:06:16] | wagnerrp: | erm... isnt freeview DVB-S? |
| [12:06:21] | dcg_: | though I have no knowledge of BBC iPlayer |
| [12:06:56] | BCMM: | dcg_: i had a quick look at the wiki and there seem to be some solutions |
| [12:07:18] | wagnerrp: | if you want to use freeview, you need a tuner card |
| [12:07:22] | wagnerrp: | whatever blend of DVB it is |
| [12:07:22] | dcg_: | then you should be all good to go. |
| [12:07:39] | BCMM: | wagnerrp: sorry, i mean live TV would be watched directly through the TV, not using the computer |
| [12:07:46] | wagnerrp: | and recordings? |
| [12:07:47] | BCMM: | and i am not interested in recording live tv at the moment |
| [12:08:51] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is first and foremost a PVR for recording tv |
| [12:09:00] | wagnerrp: | the scheduler will not allow it to function without a tuner card |
| [12:09:05] | wagnerrp: | (although it can be a faked tuner card) |
| [12:09:11] | BCMM: | wagnerrp: i know; that's why i'm asking if it's suitable for this slightly different task |
| [12:09:40] | dcg_: | wagnerrp: having said that it works well for the task BCMM is wanting, as long as a fake tuner is configured |
| [12:09:56] | wagnerrp: | im not sure how capable the iplayer grabber for mythnetvision is |
| [12:10:00] | BCMM: | dcg_: is there a remote-control interface for browsing the filesystem? |
| [12:10:00] | dcg_: | mind you I had my system working fine without a tuner. |
| [12:10:27] | wagnerrp: | mythvideo |
| [12:10:34] | justinh: | it's not really a grabber. the iplayer stuff still has to be played in a webpage |
| [12:10:58] | wagnerrp: | justinh: yes, but the "grabber" populates a list of pages for viewing |
| [12:11:06] | justinh: | and mythtv is no longer for dvd ripping AFAIK |
| [12:11:21] | dcg_: | BCMM: there are others (like wagnerrp and justinh ) that are more knowledgeable on that.... |
| [12:11:32] | BCMM: | wagnerrp: thanks. mythvideo looks perfect |
| [12:11:35] | wagnerrp: | and at least some of the MNV grabbers set up their own pages with javascript hooks for controlling the player with the remote |
| [12:11:44] | wagnerrp: | BCMM: mythvideo isnt for browsing the filesystem |
| [12:11:49] | BCMM: | oh |
| [12:11:51] | dcg_: | justinh: I am hopeing to look at fixing the dvd ripping aspect over the next few weeks |
| [12:11:59] | justinh: | if all you want to do is that, why not just use XBMC? |
| [12:12:03] | wagnerrp: | you scan the filesystem into the database, populate those files with metadata, and then browse the content based off the metadata |
| [12:12:31] | wagnerrp: | big distinction from being a dumb filesystem browser |
| [12:12:36] | justinh: | mythtv is way too much like hard work for just being a media hub if you're not doing TV |
| [12:12:54] | wagnerrp: | especially if youre only doing it for one machine |
| [12:13:22] | BCMM: | wagnerrp: ah, i see |
| [12:13:40] | BCMM: | justinh: if it's not OT, is there something better-suited than MythTV for what i'm trying to do? |
| [12:13:50] | justinh: | try XBMC |
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| [12:14:12] | BCMM: | (which is mostly "present a disk full of video so that they can be selected with a remote) |
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| [12:14:25] | BCMM: | justinh: thanks; i'll take a look and compare |
| [12:14:28] | dcg_: | justinh: wagnerrp I would dissagree, Myself and a couple of others use it for managing movies and music, TV is a small bonus but only a bonus |
| [12:14:55] | justinh: | xbmc doesn't do dvd ripping either btw |
| [12:15:26] | justinh: | and FWIW for what you're looking to do there probably isn't any comparing to do. mythtv == loads more work |
| [12:15:45] | BCMM: | justinh: why is that? |
| [12:15:50] | justinh: | I love my mythtv, but if I wasn't interested in recording television I'd use something else |
| [12:16:00] | dcg_: | justinh: from the reading I did, myth dropped ripping only because the dev involved couldn't get ripping to work with storage groups, is that correct? |
| [12:16:02] | justinh: | why is what? |
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| [12:16:17] | justinh: | why is there no comparison? xbmc is very simple to set up. mythtv isn't |
| [12:16:22] | BCMM: | justinh: thanks; that does look a bit more like what i need. thanks for the advice |
| [12:16:37] | BCMM: | justinh: sorry, i was asking, in broad detail, what the horrible bits of setting up mythtv are |
| [12:16:51] | dcg_: | justinh: if you use a distribution like mythbuntu there is almost NO setup involved. |
| [12:16:56] | justinh: | horrible? nothing's horrible if you read the docs & have some clue |
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| [12:17:54] | dcg_: | the hardest part of setting up a mythbuntu system is configuring the tuners to work correcty, and if you read the docs, even that is trivial |
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| [12:23:24] | justinh: | mind you, I've never bothered trying to configure esoteric features of XBMC.. and I do find their setup menus kind of unweildy |
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| [12:25:17] | justinh: | oh, and I've never driven XBMC with a remote. it's frustrating enough with a keyboard |
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| [12:26:59] | remoteCTRL: | hi guys! |
| [12:27:18] | remoteCTRL: | i have a fresh installation of mythbuntu and i need help finding tv channels please |
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| [12:27:58] | remoteCTRL: | i have a technisat skystar dvb-s card and it does work, as me-tv works, but somehow i cannot figure out how to scan for channels properly in mythbuntu |
| [12:28:05] | remoteCTRL: | any help appreciated! |
| [12:29:43] | dcg_: | remoteCTRL: if you hang around for a bit someone should be able to help |
| [12:30:08] | remoteCTRL: | i really hope so cos i am slightly out of aideas... |
| [12:30:21] | remoteCTRL: | it is all complicated like hell :D |
| [12:30:53] | justinh: | really? like you haven't found even a faint wiff of a howto which tells you to scan using information to tune to a transponder ? |
| [12:31:26] | dcg_: | if you run mythtv backend setup you need to configure each option from the top down |
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| [12:35:09] | remoteCTRL: | justinh: erm... i have been trying by trail and error and i have made some educated guesses; |
| [12:35:50] | remoteCTRL: | for example selecting the right card wasnt that hatd, as dvb .. something was the only option that did not say "failed" at "probing device" |
| [12:36:00] | justinh: | sigh |
| [12:36:14] | remoteCTRL: | but then i for example get the following: error tuning to transport -> ok button |
| [12:36:28] | remoteCTRL: | programmer error: failed to handle tune complete |
| [12:36:47] | justinh: | yeah, stabbing buttons randomly probing around in the dark never gets anybody a working mythtv system |
| [12:36:51] | remoteCTRL: | so obviously i am doing something wrong and yes i would be grateful for a link to a proper howto |
| [12:37:05] | justinh: | funny, I just googled mythtv dvb-s howto |
| [12:37:14] | justinh: | found some stuff which looks pretty sensible |
| [12:37:21] | remoteCTRL: | justinh: i meanwhile understand that;) |
| [12:37:35] | justinh: | how can you even buy a satellite tuner card & not know what kind of device it is?! |
| [12:37:35] | remoteCTRL: | justinh: whats so phunny about that? |
| [12:37:50] | remoteCTRL: | it is a dvb-s device |
| [12:37:56] | remoteCTRL: | s2 even aparently |
| [12:38:19] | justinh: | so in the section where you say what card type it is... there's not much guesswork needed there |
| [12:38:45] | justinh: | and FWIW in your position I'd be trying to make sure the card is working properly before even trying mythtv |
| [12:39:18] | justinh: | because up to now you won't even know if the cabling is okay, if the LNB is good, or if the dish is even aimed right |
| [12:39:35] | remoteCTRL: | justinh: as i already mentioned it works with me-tv so i suppose it does work? |
| [12:39:56] | justinh: | ah right ok I missed that part |
| [12:40:04] | remoteCTRL: | justinh: never mind! |
| [12:40:09] | justinh: | so why not just stick with me-tv & stop bothering me? |
| [12:40:11] | ** justinh hides ** | |
| [12:40:17] | remoteCTRL: | hahaha |
| [12:41:03] | justinh: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Settin . . . or_satellite would be a good place to start |
| [12:41:16] | justinh: | sadly that page doesn't seem to cover the detail about scanning for channels |
| [12:41:18] | remoteCTRL: | well me-tv has this very peculiar thing that it frequently says "failed to lock to channel" which is annoying, you have to click the chan 5 times then in order to finally tune to it, and after that o DO want to use mythtv |
| [12:41:50] | justinh: | if that is a bug in me-tv I'd be fairly surprised |
| [12:42:02] | justinh: | you might have problems with your signal |
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| [12:42:45] | justinh: | try kaffeine or something else to be sure |
| [12:43:46] | remoteCTRL: | justinh: first of all thanks for the link, that one looks usable! and also thanks for the hint with caffeine, cos mplayer with the channels.conf also is a pain in the ... |
| [12:43:57] | remoteCTRL: | -c+k |
| [12:44:36] | remoteCTRL: | ok, i will go test this and report back, (the machine with mythbuntu is one floor up...) |
| [12:44:50] | justinh: | because if me-tv is giving you that kind of error, maybe mythtv will too |
| [12:45:02] | remoteCTRL: | justinh: well it might... |
| [12:45:12] | justinh: | knowing this one way or the other might save you a LOT of time |
| [12:45:30] | remoteCTRL: | you know about the scanning: this dialog appears to as if i really need to scan for each and every chan manually... |
| [12:45:36] | quicksilver: | channel locking is handled by the DVB drivers, irrespective of which client app you are using |
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| [12:45:44] | remoteCTRL: | justinh: doubtlessly... |
| [12:45:46] | quicksilver: | so if it's a nightmare in one it will probably be a nightmare in all |
| [12:45:57] | remoteCTRL: | gosh... |
| [12:46:02] | quicksilver: | admittedly some are worse than others in terms of presenting loads of dialog boxes and/or actuall crashing. |
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| [12:46:21] | justinh: | or they could just be using the API badly |
| [12:46:26] | quicksilver: | well that is true. |
| [12:46:46] | justinh: | personally I wouldn't trust any app called me-tv as far as I could throw it ;-) |
| [12:46:47] | remoteCTRL: | so there IS hope! :D |
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| [12:46:59] | remoteCTRL: | hahaha |
| [12:47:02] | remoteCTRL: | me neither |
| [12:47:13] | justinh: | ugh I just tried xbmc on my work linux desktop... with no proper opengl. OOOF |
| [12:47:19] | remoteCTRL: | i dont like the look and feel of it at all, and it appears to work crappy... |
| [12:47:35] | remoteCTRL: | ok gus, thanks so far, i will report back |
| [12:47:39] | justinh: | it was slower than a slug slithering through treacle, uphill with a head-wind |
| [12:50:02] | remoteCTRL: | err.. on more question: is there a way to un-maximize the mythtv-setup thing; it would make the process a lot easier if i did not have to kill the setup each time i want to have a look at the howto? |
| [12:50:32] | remoteCTRL: | justinh: quicksilver? |
| [12:50:57] | quicksilver: | do you not have another computer, remoteCTRL ? |
| [12:51:08] | remoteCTRL: | yeah but one floor down... |
| [12:51:13] | quicksilver: | can't you view the howto on a laptop screen, or print it out, or? |
| [12:51:20] | remoteCTRL: | i am at a university institute currently... |
| [12:51:27] | quicksilver: | read it on a phone even :) |
| [12:51:33] | remoteCTRL: | hehehe |
| [12:51:36] | quicksilver: | you should be able to switch virtual consoles |
| [12:51:55] | remoteCTRL: | yeah i could i have samsung galaxy tab but only with 7" screnn :D |
| [12:52:25] | remoteCTRL: | nevermind i will chew through this! |
| [12:52:29] | remoteCTRL: | thanks once more |
| [12:55:22] | justinh: | pretty sure ALT-TAB works in most linux variants still |
| [12:56:01] | justinh: | or try mythtv-setup -geometry XSIZExYSIZE |
| [12:56:05] | justinh: | simples :) |
| [12:56:52] | dcg_: | justinh: not ALT-TAB if X is running, CTRL-ALT-TAB instead |
| [12:57:30] | justinh: | OMFG.. so much wrongness in mythtv howtos out there |
| [12:57:31] | dcg_: | in some cases that may not work, you may need to hit CTRL-ALT-F1 to get tty 1 etc |
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| [12:58:56] | remoteCTRL1: | ok i found a spare laptop... |
| [12:59:31] | dcg_: | remoteCTRL1: you may want to check the last few minutes on your old login |
| [13:00:03] | remoteCTRL1: | dcg_: thanks for the hint |
| [13:01:22] | remoteCTRL: | nice, thanks, gentlemen! |
| [13:01:25] | dcg_: | you're welcom |
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| [13:11:38] | remoteCTRL1: | justinh: quicksilver, dcg_ ok guys, i am currently following this howto: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/DVB-S |
| [13:11:53] | remoteCTRL1: | and i already fail at the vfery first screen |
| [13:12:18] | remoteCTRL1: | i mark the "unconnected" press enter and NOTHING appears |
| [13:12:49] | remoteCTRL1: | Highlight "(Unconnected)" and press enter. You will see a list of DVB-S hardware myth can manage |
| [13:13:11] | remoteCTRL1: | does that mean mythtv cannot handle my card???? |
| [13:14:14] | dcg_: | I would have thought that you should at least see LNB |
| [13:14:49] | dcg_: | if you run lsmod, do you see the module for you card loaded? |
| [13:15:52] | remoteCTRL1: | dcg_: sec |
| [13:16:33] | remoteCTRL1: | dcg_: yes the mantis drivers are in the kernel |
| [13:17:18] | remoteCTRL1: | dcg_: as stated before it does work with me-tv but poorly... |
| [13:17:42] | dcg_: | hmmmm, I have not had the opertunity to play with the dvb-s stuff, so not sure what so suggest next. |
| [13:18:56] | dcg_: | if it works in one prog, that would suggest that V4L is functioning, therefore it should work with myth (I think) |
| [13:19:12] | remoteCTRL1: | dcg_: erm... i am sorry but i just lied to ytou |
| [13:19:20] | dcg_: | ?? |
| [13:19:28] | remoteCTRL1: | me-tv also says failed to get available frontend now |
| [13:19:38] | remoteCTRL1: | gimme a sec pls |
| [13:20:01] | dcg_: | try a reboot, the card may have locked up through multiple failed attempts to scan or some such |
| [13:20:30] | remoteCTRL1: | dcg_: that is just what i thought and am currently doing :) |
| [13:21:02] | dcg_: | I would suggest testing to make sure it works with metv, then reboot and try mythsetup. |
| [13:21:42] | dcg_: | it is possible that running metv could leave the card in a wierd state that prevents myth from managing the card |
| [13:22:21] | remoteCTRL1: | dcg_: same state after the reboot, still no device to choose... |
| [13:22:50] | dcg_: | oooh, have you made any notable changes since it last worked? |
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| [13:24:07] | remoteCTRL1: | dcg_: none that i knew of |
| [13:24:11] | remoteCTRL1: | gawddammit |
| [13:24:24] | dcg_: | did you do a reboot or poweroff? |
| [13:24:58] | remoteCTRL1: | dcg_: reboot |
| [13:25:20] | dcg_: | I suggest a poweroff, and disconnect the mains too |
| [13:25:23] | remoteCTRL1: | and for some reason that i dont understand lsof | grep /dev/dvb says the backend is still running |
| [13:25:27] | remoteCTRL1: | awkward... |
| [13:25:48] | dcg_: | is the backend set to autostart? |
| [13:26:36] | remoteCTRL1: | yes it is but mythtv-setup explicitly asks whether you wish to shut it down and of course i said yes |
| [13:26:58] | dcg_: | that would have restarted the backend after your reboot |
| [13:27:37] | dcg_: | when you exit mythsetup it restarts the backend also |
| [13:28:12] | remoteCTRL1: | only if iyou hit yes after leaving the setup routine |
| [13:28:27] | remoteCTRL1: | ok now i killed the backend, yet still no devices |
| [13:28:43] | remoteCTRL1: | gosh what the heck is going on?? |
| [13:28:47] | dcg_: | as far as I know it always restarts, it does not give you a choice |
| [13:29:12] | remoteCTRL1: | i use a card that is 100 compatible, i used a fresh mythbuntu install, etc |
| [13:29:28] | dcg_: | please disable backend autostart, and do a poweroff and disconnect power for 30 seconds or more |
| [13:29:28] | remoteCTRL1: | maybe but currently it is definitely not running, i killed it |
| [13:29:37] | justinh: | heh |
| [13:29:41] | justinh: | ah but did you really? |
| [13:30:00] | remoteCTRL1: | dcg do you happen to know where to disable the autostart? |
| [13:30:23] | justinh: | I mean I've seen some init scripts respawn processes |
| [13:30:29] | remoteCTRL1: | justinh: i kill -9ed it and ps aux doesnt show it anymore, so yes? |
| [13:30:30] | justinh: | sudo service mythtv-backend stop |
| [13:30:33] | justinh: | do it properly |
| [13:30:36] | dcg_: | I have seen issues with capture cards not reinitialising correctly after one prog exits |
| [13:31:01] | remoteCTRL1: | ok i get that and i had the impression that that might occur |
| [13:31:14] | remoteCTRL1: | now how do i keep the backend from starting at boottime? |
| [13:31:20] | justinh: | wha? |
| [13:31:24] | justinh: | why would you need to? |
| [13:31:37] | dcg_: | as justinh said, to stop myth, use the service. |
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| [13:32:03] | dcg_: | justinh: he needs to stop myth from autostarting for a few minutes to confirm that his card still works |
| [13:32:03] | remoteCTRL1: | hmmm... |
| [13:32:19] | dcg_: | he can't even get it to work with me-tv at the moment |
| [13:32:37] | remoteCTRL1: | there was a setting smoewhere i already saw it but how would i find it? :D |
| [13:32:50] | dcg_: | what distro are you running? |
| [13:33:55] | remoteCTRL1: | mythbuntu |
| [13:34:41] | dcg_: | give me a moment..... |
| [13:34:48] | remoteCTRL1: | sure! |
| [13:35:22] | justinh: | a setting? |
| [13:35:34] | justinh: | why can't I see what dcg is saying? |
| [13:35:34] | remoteCTRL1: | yep |
| [13:35:47] | ** justinh suspects the great big .au /ignore :D ** | |
| [13:35:49] | remoteCTRL1: | eh?? i dunno? |
| [13:35:55] | remoteCTRL1: | rofl? |
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| [13:37:09] | ** dcg_ kicks justinh for not seeing what I say :) ** | |
| [13:37:18] | justinh: | yeah I found myself becoming increasingly annoyed by newbies from .au so I put it into my irssi ignore list |
| [13:37:29] | dcg_: | remoteCTRL1: try /etc/init/mythtv-backend.conf |
| [13:37:30] | justinh: | along with .cz .pl .it |
| [13:37:33] | justinh: | etc |
| [13:37:44] | dcg_: | just comment out the start line for the time being |
| [13:37:44] | remoteCTRL1: | thagt is just rude... |
| [13:37:54] | justinh: | is it? |
| [13:37:59] | dcg_: | justinh: can you hear me now? :) |
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| [13:38:00] | remoteCTRL1: | sure as hell is |
| [13:38:10] | justinh: | I think it's rude that people don't mention folks on my /ignore list to stop me seeing one side of the conversation |
| [13:38:26] | remoteCTRL1: | do you really think it is a matter of nationality? |
| [13:38:31] | SpaceBass: | hey folks, having challenges with trying to install and configure mythicallibrarian on Ubuntu running myth 0.24 – it keeps failing to access the DB even though the credentials are correct |
| [13:38:39] | SpaceBass: | any suggestions on troubleshooting? |
| [13:38:45] | justinh: | no, but when the majority of annoying people come from foreign countries.. |
| [13:39:04] | justinh: | SpaceBass: don't use that. It's NASTY. And we don't support it here |
| [13:39:05] | remoteCTRL1: | justinh: so where are you from? |
| [13:39:19] | justinh: | UK |
| [13:39:22] | SpaceBass: | justinh, really? Is there a preferred alternative? |
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| [13:39:33] | justinh: | SpaceBass: the preferred alternative is not to use it at all |
| [13:40:06] | justinh: | because it's awfulm unapproved, and runs the risk (because it accesses the db directly instead of through appropriate bindings) of trashing your database |
| [13:40:27] | remoteCTRL1: | dcg i cannot find the mythbackend.conf |
| [13:40:48] | dcg_: | remoteCTRL1: could you please ask justinh if he would be kind enough to un-ignore those of us in .au that (I hope) have a clue. |
| [13:40:51] | SpaceBass: | justinh, hummm? well, not using MythFrontend, and would like to have access to recordings via file share with a recognizable name |
| [13:41:08] | justinh: | and anyway, why don't more people who use dvb-s hang out in here? oh yeah – because all the johnny foreign types who come in with problems & manage to get working never come back again |
| [13:41:23] | justinh: | SpaceBass: not our problem |
| [13:41:35] | dcg_: | remoteCTRL1: do you have any myth files in /etc/init (you may need to be root to see them but I don't think so) |
| [13:41:37] | justinh: | SpaceBass: the next best thing is mythlink.pl which generates symbolic links |
| [13:41:39] | remoteCTRL1: | 03:40:48 PM) dcg_: remoteCTRL1: could you please ask justinh if he would be kind enough to un-ignore those of us in .au that (I hope) have a clue. |
| [13:41:58] | remoteCTRL1: | dcg_: i misspelled it, sry, i got it now |
| [13:41:58] | SpaceBass: | justinh, sum links would work fine, thanks. I'll check out mythlink.pl ? |
| [13:42:29] | justinh: | SpaceBass: mythicallibrarian is terribly intrusive, and actually changes the database contents. Risky McRisks |
| [13:42:38] | justinh: | oh yeah and it renames files |
| [13:42:40] | SpaceBass: | justinh, thanks |
| [13:42:40] | remoteCTRL1: | justinh: isnt that the main purpose of a help channel? |
| [13:43:07] | justinh: | remoteCTRL1: yeah but very few people who know *anything* about dvb-s come in here, let alone stick around |
| [13:43:24] | remoteCTRL1: | that is a pitty... |
| [13:43:43] | remoteCTRL1: | and i am afraid i wont be among them either, cos i also dunno sh... about it...:) |
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| [13:44:13] | dcg_: | remoteCTRL1: once you are done with your setup you could look at changing that trend, maybe then justinh would be a little less grumpy :) |
| [13:45:12] | remoteCTRL1: | dcg_: ok i did it and am currently restarting |
| [13:45:26] | justinh: | just stop the service for as long as you need it stopped |
| [13:45:29] | justinh: | it's not a big deal |
| [13:45:32] | remoteCTRL1: | and i will try and do so IF i get an expert myself:) |
| [13:45:39] | justinh: | and it saves you having to doof around with configs |
| [13:45:50] | dcg_: | remoteCTRL1: if yo get your setup working you will know more than me, as I don't have a dvb-s card, and probably won't for a very long time as the australian gov has (in its wisdom) decided that only one company is allowd to provide hardware for that service |
| [13:46:05] | justinh: | dcg_: MURDOCH! :_D |
| [13:46:08] | remoteCTRL1: | whut???? |
| [13:46:13] | dcg_: | and they will not be doing a card "ever" when I spoke to them |
| [13:46:19] | remoteCTRL1: | you gotta be shittn me! |
| [13:46:19] | justinh: | Murdoch FTW |
| [13:46:29] | justinh: | same story here in the UK |
| [13:46:31] | dcg_: | justinh: hey there, can you hear me now?? |
| [13:46:35] | remoteCTRL1: | whats wrong with your blokes o'er there? |
| [13:46:35] | justinh: | one company, closed shop |
| [13:46:53] | justinh: | He's an aussie bloke, that Murdoch dude, what do you expect? ;-) |
| [13:46:54] | remoteCTRL1: | dcg it appears so |
| [13:47:10] | justinh: | SKY == evil s.o.b |
| [13:47:18] | remoteCTRL1: | ok dcg_i got it back fired up, no backend running |
| [13:47:29] | justinh: | maybe not so much evil, as monopolist |
| [13:47:37] | dcg_: | something to do with trying to control the reception of broadcasts outside there license areas |
| [13:48:03] | justinh: | something to do with trying to control how/who/when/where |
| [13:48:07] | justinh: | and how much |
| [13:48:28] | dcg_: | in short yep. |
| [13:48:49] | remoteCTRL1: | geeezzz |
| [13:48:53] | dcg_: | remoteCTRL1: so with no backend, do you get a working me-tv? |
| [13:48:53] | justinh: | thou shalt not access our service with anything but hardware sanctioned, and sold, by us |
| [13:49:00] | remoteCTRL1: | how isnt that totally illegal??? |
| [13:49:02] | justinh: | I would, if I were them, mind |
| [13:49:09] | hashbang: | B |
| [13:49:12] | remoteCTRL1: | i mean dont you have monopoly laws?? |
| [13:49:22] | hashbang: | wagnerrp: FYI, Freeview is DVB-T, Freesat is DVB-S |
| [13:49:23] | dcg_: | because it is as the gov has mandated, and the gov makes the laws |
| [13:49:34] | justinh: | conveniently brushed to one side if the price is right :D |
| [13:49:46] | remoteCTRL1: | dcg_: i again reboote4d it so now i really shut it down, just a minute pls |
| [13:49:51] | justinh: | UK gov looked into murdoch's empire.. said nah, it's not so bad |
| [13:50:14] | justinh: | penny to a pound you aren't really needing to shut down or reboot |
| [13:50:20] | remoteCTRL1: | that is so totally surreal, dude! |
| [13:50:43] | ** hashbang thinks if he wasn't using the recording functionality of MythTV, he'd probably just use a £20 DVD player from Lidl and a USB mass storage device ** | |
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| [13:50:49] | remoteCTRL1: | ya i even cut the power now, just to be sure |
| [13:51:04] | justinh: | hashbang: maybe I would too, if the UIs weren't so universally awful on them |
| [13:51:50] | justinh: | remoteCTRL1: set fire to it, to be doubly certain :D |
| [13:51:56] | justinh: | jeesh |
| [13:54:02] | dcg_: | justinh: yeah, it is a long shot getting him to do a poweroff, but I have run into that issue before with a composite capture card and a VGA capture card. |
| [13:55:03] | remoteCTRL1: | and i have also had such phenomena with other cards, believe me tv cards can be bitchy... |
| [13:55:30] | remoteCTRL1: | and gentlemen IT DID THE TRICK |
| [13:55:43] | remoteCTRL1: | me-tv currently produces output again |
| [13:56:20] | dcg_: | cool, I would now poweroff again, and run myth setup (after poweron) without running myth backend first |
| [13:56:51] | remoteCTRL1: | dcg_: i will |
| [13:56:57] | remoteCTRL1: | minute pls |
| [13:57:01] | justinh: | of course if you ran mythtv-setup under a user whose privileges were insufficient to stop mythbackend... |
| [13:58:08] | dcg_: | justinh: as he is running mythbuntu, I assume he is using the primary user setup at install time, which by design does have the right permissions |
| [13:58:25] | remoteCTRL1: | exactly |
| [13:58:50] | justinh: | I don't like mythbuntu |
| [13:59:05] | remoteCTRL1: | i do |
| [13:59:06] | dcg_: | justinh: what do you prefer? |
| [13:59:08] | justinh: | it hides stuff behind wrappers & stuff with the intention of making things easier for users |
| [13:59:09] | remoteCTRL1: | very much so |
| [13:59:17] | remoteCTRL1: | so? |
| [13:59:20] | justinh: | I like to see what's going on & be under control |
| [13:59:22] | remoteCTRL1: | isnt that nice? |
| [13:59:45] | justinh: | the problem being, when something goes wrong under the hood, as has in remoteCTRL1's case... you're sort of boned |
| [13:59:49] | remoteCTRL1: | geez dude, with these gazillions of parameters one should guess that you are...? |
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| [14:00:08] | justinh: | there aren't gazillions of parameters |
| [14:00:25] | justinh: | and mythbuntu does *nothing* to help the user with what I think are the very hardest part of getting mythtv going |
| [14:00:33] | dcg_: | justinh: I have the same issue over control, but that said mythtv needs a VERY HIGH WAF, therefore mythbuntu can be a good thing. |
| [14:00:33] | justinh: | e.g. scanning, EPG data grabbing setup... |
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| [14:01:10] | justinh: | what mythbuntu does is get the easy stuff out of the way. set up the user accounts, permissions, and the database |
| [14:01:36] | justinh: | be under no illusion that it's the answer to all our prayers |
| [14:01:52] | remoteCTRL1: | ok, gentlemen, same old, same old |
| [14:01:52] | dcg_: | I had my mother do a muthbuntu setup, (63 years old) and she only needed to ask for help twice, so it can't really be that hard |
| [14:02:04] | justinh: | even the scanning? |
| [14:02:13] | justinh: | setting up a samba share? |
| [14:02:15] | justinh: | pfft |
| [14:02:34] | justinh: | making sure the hardware works in the very first instance? ROFLMAO |
| [14:02:44] | dcg_: | why would she want to setup a samba share? samba is evil evil evil |
| [14:03:05] | justinh: | if she has a windows laptop she does her dvd ripping on... |
| [14:03:13] | remoteCTRL1: | so can you please tell me why my damned mythbuntu is still refusing to find a gawddammned lnb??? |
| [14:03:16] | justinh: | let's face it, you can't rip dvds in mythtv anymore |
| [14:03:30] | justinh: | it can't FIND the LNB. YOU configure it |
| [14:03:36] | dcg_: | no, only linux systems in the family, even on the mobile phones :) |
| [14:03:46] | remoteCTRL1: | justinh: i would like to |
| [14:03:51] | justinh: | android != linux |
| [14:03:52] | remoteCTRL1: | but i cannot choose one |
| [14:04:00] | remoteCTRL1: | nothing there to choose from, you know |
| [14:04:01] | ** tgm4883` rolls eyes ** | |
| [14:04:10] | ** tgm4883` wishes he had time here ** | |
| [14:04:12] | remoteCTRL1: | same condition that we started from |
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| [14:04:28] | dcg_: | justinh: to rip dvd's on a mythbuntu system just install your dvd ripping software of choice from the repositories |
| [14:04:31] | justinh: | well I'm out. I'm fed up talking to a wall |
| [14:04:45] | remoteCTRL1: | justinh: what wall? |
| [14:05:07] | remoteCTRL1: | look dude i am attempting to follow a howto to setup mythtv |
| [14:05:17] | dcg_: | remoteCTRL1: for some reason myth is not detecting that there is a card available by the sound of it. |
| [14:05:22] | remoteCTRL1: | but i cannot as one dialog that is supposed to appear just doenst |
| [14:05:30] | dcg_: | could you check out the logfiles please |
| [14:05:32] | remoteCTRL1: | dcg_: exactly |
| [14:05:35] | justinh: | for some reason I suspect that unless you flattened the database the settings are still there |
| [14:05:55] | justinh: | thus, you don't need to – or cannot – add the card & LNB again |
| [14:06:20] | remoteCTRL1: | justinh: then i should at least be able to change it right? |
| [14:06:28] | justinh: | I don't know |
| [14:06:41] | remoteCTRL1: | dcg_: looking for log files, one sec pls |
| [14:06:43] | justinh: | FFS, if we had only ONE frickin person who actually USES DVB-S here... |
| [14:06:55] | justinh: | but NO, they all say thanks for the help.. and bugger off |
| [14:07:08] | justinh: | and you know what, they've got the right idea. But I've tried quitting IRC before |
| [14:07:54] | remoteCTRL1: | hehehe |
| [14:08:25] | remoteCTRL1: | justinh: stop complaining dude, its no use anyways... :) |
| [14:08:40] | justinh: | stop saying dude. it's bloody annoying |
| [14:08:42] | justinh: | dude |
| [14:09:35] | dcg_: | remoteCTRL1: are there any clues in the logs? |
| [14:09:53] | justinh: | and if anybody thinks I'm uptight, you try sitting here helping all the clueless folks who walk in, day in & day out :-P |
| [14:10:06] | laga_: | dude |
| [14:10:12] | remoteCTRL1: | dcg_: i am in the backend log now and all i can see ther is the following: |
| [14:10:24] | justinh: | they all say "hey, I got this mythbuntu thing, but it doesn't work". They never say they're working through a howto & would like some points explained |
| [14:10:33] | dcg_: | remoteCTRL1: you may want to pastebin that |
| [14:10:38] | justinh: | just seems to be "I've been poking at it for hours now but it still won't work" |
| [14:10:58] | justinh: | but rather than go into #mythbuntu they come HERE.. GAH |
| [14:11:11] | remoteCTRL1: | dcg_: the whole shebang you mean? good idea, just a sec pls |
| [14:11:19] | justinh: | or they go to #mythbuntu, don't get any answer within an hour, and end up here anyway |
| [14:11:33] | justinh: | sigh. resistance, as they say, is futile |
| [14:12:06] | dcg_: | justinh: I can actually understand why people just poke, as some of the documentation is not targeted at people new to Myth, with the result that they can't bootstrap themselves anyother way. |
| [14:13:04] | justinh: | dcg_: no, if you're trying to follow official mythtv docs with mythbuntu, you're still gonna lose |
| [14:13:14] | remoteCTRL1: | do you guys know a patebin where i can upload the whole file? |
| [14:13:18] | justinh: | if you use mythbuntu you need to be following the mythbuntu docs |
| [14:13:25] | dcg_: | pastebin.com |
| [14:14:18] | remoteCTRL1: | dcg_: yeah you apparently really only can paste there, the logs are a little long for that... |
| [14:14:41] | dcg_: | give me a moment, I will check on something |
| [14:14:42] | justinh: | otherwise you'll end up in a bit of a mess because of the 'making life easy for users' stuff mythbuntu does. BTW I'm not saying that anything mythbuntu does to 'make life easier' is a *bad* thing necessarily – it just frustrates me by getting in the way – so it's not for me |
| [14:15:25] | remoteCTRL1: | justinh: what distro are you on? |
| [14:15:42] | justinh: | and FWIW if you're on that distro & running mythtv-setup – and mythbackend is NOT being stopped, you should cut it right there. Something is very wrong |
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| [14:16:37] | dcg_: | remoteCTRL1: try installing xcb, I think it should allow you to cat a file into the pastebuffer then you should be able to centerclick on pastebin to paste it all in |
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| [14:18:44] | justinh: | holy crap. how much longer is kernel.org going to be down for ffs? |
| [14:19:07] | CyberKnet: | 2 hours, 16 minutes, 25 seconds. |
| [14:19:14] | CyberKnet: | give or take 24 hours. |
| [14:19:19] | justinh: | or 7 days |
| [14:19:25] | CyberKnet: | truth. |
| [14:19:32] | sid3windr: | struth! |
| [14:19:33] | remoteCTRL1: | dcg_: there are no errors in there basically except for one: |
| [14:19:47] | remoteCTRL1: | it says it cannot start with channel "please add" |
| [14:19:58] | remoteCTRL1: | which is clear as i wanst able to scan any yet |
| [14:20:05] | justinh: | okay so they were compromised.. and had a lot of stuff to verify the integrity of.. but.. er... |
| [14:21:08] | dcg_: | that just tells us that you havn't fully configured a tuner. and mythbackend needs a configured tuner to work right |
| [14:21:11] | remoteCTRL1: | it'd be nice if there was a log for mythtv-setup |
| [14:21:26] | remoteCTRL1: | dcg_: thats why i said that is clear... |
| [14:21:28] | wagnerrp: | there is a log for mythtv-setup |
| [14:21:31] | dcg_: | try running it from a terminal, (maximized) |
| [14:21:36] | wagnerrp: | it logs into whatever terminal you ran it from |
| [14:21:53] | remoteCTRL1: | dcg_: errr... that is what i always did? |
| [14:22:06] | wagnerrp: | doubtful |
| [14:22:17] | wagnerrp: | are you running mythbuntu? |
| [14:22:21] | dcg_: | if that is the case, there should be info (ie a log) in the terminal |
| [14:22:23] | remoteCTRL1: | no output on the terminal |
| [14:22:24] | dcg_: | wagnerrp: yes he is |
| [14:22:33] | wagnerrp: | then you did not run mythtv-setup on the terminal |
| [14:22:44] | wagnerrp: | you ran mythbuntu's wrapper script on the terminal |
| [14:22:51] | remoteCTRL1: | wagnerrp: nope on xfc-terminal |
| [14:23:03] | wagnerrp: | which in turn ran mythtv-setup, and redirected its logging to some log file |
| [14:23:05] | dcg_: | good Point wagnerrp |
| [14:23:09] | wagnerrp: | try in /var/log/mythtv |
| [14:23:14] | remoteCTRL1: | i entered mythtv-setup as a command into a terminal |
| [14:23:31] | wagnerrp: | remoteCTRL: you are using ubuntu? |
| [14:23:38] | dcg_: | remoteCTRL1: try mythtv-setup.real |
| [14:23:38] | remoteCTRL1: | wagnerrp: there is a bakcen and a frontend and a welcome.log in there |
| [14:23:50] | remoteCTRL1: | wagnerrp: mythbuntu |
| [14:23:57] | wagnerrp: | yes, mythtv-setup.real |
| [14:23:59] | remoteCTRL1: | dcg_: ok i will, sec pls |
| [14:25:31] | remoteCTRL1: | yep definitely more verbosity now |
| [14:25:35] | remoteCTRL1: | says |
| [14:26:04] | dcg_: | the mythtv-setup wrapper script just does a couple of sanity checks and operations on the environment, then stops mythbackend, runs mythtv-setup, then restarts the backend and runs mythfilldb |
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| [14:26:14] | remoteCTRL1: | DiDeqCDevTree, warining: no device tree for cardID 4 |
| [14:26:28] | remoteCTRL1: | i see |
| [14:26:47] | remoteCTRL1: | the .real thing also just asked me wheter i wanted to stop the backend... |
| [14:28:05] | wagnerrp: | thats because the wrapper script outright shuts it down before mythtv-setup has a chance to warn you it is running |
| [14:28:16] | dcg_: | that is possible, after you exit setup run "status mythtv-backend " to see if it started the backend |
| [14:28:56] | wagnerrp: | it will not start the backend back up |
| [14:29:03] | wagnerrp: | however, if you let mythtv-setup terminate the backend |
| [14:29:09] | wagnerrp: | startup will see something went wrong |
| [14:29:11] | CyberKnet: | ugh. our ubuntu phone system server's network keeps falling over |
| [14:29:15] | wagnerrp: | and restart the backend behind your back |
| [14:29:57] | wagnerrp: | killing an application outside of upstart only serves to restart it |
| [14:30:15] | dcg_: | wagnerrp: that is why I asked remoteCTRL1 to prevent mythbackend from starting at boot |
| [14:30:33] | remoteCTRL1: | right! |
| [14:30:54] | remoteCTRL1: | but we executed the setup few times now, so it was surely running again... |
| [14:31:13] | dcg_: | it leaves him in control (pretty much) while he is working through his problems |
| [14:32:45] | remoteCTRL1: | geeez, i am starting to loose my nerve... :( |
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| [14:33:33] | dcg_: | remoteCTRL1: as far as the warning that you got goes I am not too sure. have you tried a quick google? |
| [14:34:47] | remoteCTRL1: | yes i am at it, 500 different issues, none of which related to mine... |
| [14:37:15] | remoteCTRL1: | so are you guys as much out of ideas as me? |
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| [14:38:45] | wagnerrp: | what warning? |
| [14:39:27] | dcg_: | remoteCTRL1: check out these two links http://support.openmedia.co.nz/mypvr/support/ . . . reeview-dth/ |
| [14:39:37] | dcg_: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/394993 |
| [14:40:06] | remoteCTRL1: | wagnerrp: DiDeqCDevTree, warining: no device tree for cardID 4 |
| [14:40:16] | remoteCTRL1: | dcg_: thanks, sec pls |
| [14:40:35] | wagnerrp: | youre trying to use DVB-S? |
| [14:40:38] | justinh: | see, this is what I mean by the stuff mythbuntu does to make life easier getting in the way :) |
| [14:41:16] | justinh: | if it all works for you, great. if not, you end up not knowing whether you're coming or going |
| [14:41:20] | wagnerrp: | DVB-S devices must have a configured DiSeqC tree |
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| [14:41:33] | wagnerrp: | even if that tree is a single branch between card and LNB |
| [14:41:57] | dcg_: | wagnerrp: he hasn't even managed to get a card configured yet |
| [14:42:07] | remoteCTRL1: | wagnerrp: dvb-s, yes |
| [14:42:13] | justinh: | heh stevie boy does a great job of keeping that one off the radar |
| [14:42:41] | dcg_: | the screen that should let him set up that tree comes up with no entries |
| [14:42:51] | remoteCTRL1: | wagnerrp: have a look ath this: |
| [14:43:09] | remoteCTRL1: | http://www.mythtv.org/w/images/thumb/c/c9/Man . . . d_diseqc.jpg |
| [14:43:15] | remoteCTRL1: | this does not appear |
| [14:43:19] | justinh: | but if you just keep going into mythtv-setup and trying to add a new tuner card... |
| [14:43:24] | justinh: | when you already have one added... |
| [14:43:28] | remoteCTRL1: | i just fall back to the scree with the "unconnected" line |
| [14:43:54] | justinh: | you'd either a) have to start with a fresh install b) drop the database & recreate it or c) delete all existing tuner(s) cards & start again from there |
| [14:44:01] | notlistening: | Why on my EPG am i missing the data for just one channel, that bloody channel i am intrested in? |
| [14:44:07] | remoteCTRL1: | justinh: i had in sum 5 attempts, as said i thought i could get this to work with a little trial and error... |
| [14:44:25] | dcg_: | justinh: it may be true that he already has a partially configured card, but if that is so there is an issue with mythsetup as it should at least allow him to delete the card |
| [14:44:30] | justinh: | we should have everybody who tries this without ever reading docs killed, honestly |
| [14:44:34] | wagnerrp: | you havent given it an XMLTV ID so mythtv can pull data for it |
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| [14:44:51] | remoteCTRL1: | totally agree with dcg_! |
| [14:45:12] | justinh: | so in the list of possible tuner cards, hit D & you should be able to delete it |
| [14:45:14] | remoteCTRL1: | wagnerrp: huh? |
| [14:45:29] | wagnerrp: | remoteCTRL1: talking to notlistening |
| [14:45:35] | remoteCTRL1: | justinh: i did that before, whats the point in that? |
| [14:45:42] | remoteCTRL1: | wagnerrp: oh, sry |
| [14:45:45] | justinh: | deleting the tuner card |
| [14:46:01] | justinh: | wipes it out. saves you having misconfigured it before & missing something you later rely on |
| [14:46:06] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v j-rod | |
| [14:46:41] | justinh: | we really need this stuff wizarded out |
| [14:46:44] | remoteCTRL1: | ok, gentlemen i did that now |
| [14:46:49] | remoteCTRL1: | now i said new card |
| [14:47:06] | justinh: | cool. from there you should be able to add the LNB |
| [14:47:12] | wagnerrp: | WTF... firefox has gotten rid of the protocol string in the URL |
| [14:47:13] | remoteCTRL1: | with the result that frontend ID does not get a proper name now but ERROR_OPEN |
| [14:47:15] | justinh: | once you've selected the correct type |
| [14:47:26] | remoteCTRL1: | this is getting sort of esotherical here... |
| [14:47:28] | justinh: | so mythbackend is again running |
| [14:47:38] | remoteCTRL1: | geeeeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| [14:47:40] | remoteCTRL1: | sec |
| [14:47:44] | justinh: | or else the user you're running as doesn't have permission to use the device |
| [14:48:05] | justinh: | or something else is using /dev/dvb/adapterX/frontend0 |
| [14:48:25] | remoteCTRL1: | hell yeah backen running again |
| [14:48:26] | remoteCTRL1: | rrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| [14:48:35] | dcg_: | remoteCTRL1: what did you find? |
| [14:48:36] | justinh: | sudo service mythtv-backend stop |
| [14:48:41] | justinh: | then run mythtv-setup.real |
| [14:49:23] | justinh: | don't just kill anything. there might be a respawn thing going on... I've seen that before – and think it MOST ILL-ADVISED |
| [14:49:55] | remoteCTRL1: | omg... |
| [14:50:31] | remoteCTRL1: | ok, no backend running, ID is proper again |
| [14:50:38] | remoteCTRL1: | still no lnb dialog |
| [14:51:05] | remoteCTRL1: | do you really think i should drop the database? |
| [14:51:32] | wagnerrp: | its unlikely to help anything |
| [14:51:40] | ** justinh agrees ** | |
| [14:51:44] | remoteCTRL1: | that is what i said... |
| [14:52:12] | wagnerrp: | who suggested dumping the database? |
| [14:52:54] | justinh: | so in this part of mythtv-setup you're *not* seeing the DiSEqC button? http://www.mythtv.org/w/images/thumb/0/06/Man . . . getS1500.jpg |
| [14:53:17] | remoteCTRL1: | wagnerrp: i dunno anymore... |
| [14:53:30] | remoteCTRL1: | i am seeing the button |
| [14:53:36] | justinh: | and when you press it? |
| [14:53:42] | remoteCTRL1: | next screen i get unconnected |
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| [14:53:47] | remoteCTRL1: | i mark it i press enter |
| [14:53:55] | justinh: | yup |
| [14:54:01] | remoteCTRL1: | and the one big nothing |
| [14:54:05] | remoteCTRL1: | then |
| [14:54:30] | remoteCTRL1: | i do not get this supid dialog where i should choose from rotor, switch, lnb |
| [14:54:37] | remoteCTRL1: | it just does not appear |
| [14:54:46] | justinh: | seems weird |
| [14:54:59] | remoteCTRL1: | and the terminal now says no device tree for card id 1 |
| [14:55:05] | remoteCTRL1: | nothing further |
| [14:55:12] | remoteCTRL1: | hell yeah it is! |
| [14:55:24] | dcg_: | remoteCTRL1: at this point I am going to bow out as it is bed time here for me, I have an early start. please hang around and let us know what solutions you find. |
| [14:55:44] | justinh: | remoteCTRL1: this is only a dvb-s2 tuner card yes? not some freaky hybrid thing? |
| [14:55:59] | justinh: | like only a single tuner card too |
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| [14:56:37] | justinh: | for stuff like this we need much better documentation |
| [14:56:38] | remoteCTRL1: | dcg_: thanks alot for helping i really appreciate it! |
| [14:56:42] | remoteCTRL1: | have a nice nap! |
| [14:56:53] | justinh: | what's in the wiki now is better than what there used to be, but FFS it's still awful |
| [14:57:21] | remoteCTRL1: | and justinh no freakin hybrid, its a technisat skystar that is being listed as 100% compatible at linuxtv.org's |
| [14:57:29] | justinh: | heh |
| [14:57:32] | justinh: | just making sure |
| [14:59:06] | remoteCTRL1: | tell you what guys, i am getting the idea that i should maybe set up the box once more cleanly, what say you? |
| [14:59:50] | justinh: | it'd be way better I reckon just to have one page detailing a simple single LNB setup – like this... rather than go into all that explaining what all the stuff is. I mean it should be clear to somebody even when they're not in front of a mythtv-setup screen what they have to do |
| [15:00:23] | remoteCTRL1: | in my opinion this should all be way easier... |
| [15:00:43] | remoteCTRL1: | like in a wizzard does that for you easier |
| [15:00:49] | justinh: | well yeah |
| [15:00:52] | justinh: | obviously |
| [15:01:03] | justinh: | but that won't suit people with complex switched multiple setups |
| [15:01:17] | notlistening: | Then myth might attract windows users aswell :d |
| [15:01:26] | justinh: | who cares, really? |
| [15:01:35] | justinh: | more users == more pain in IRC |
| [15:01:48] | notlistening: | :D especially windows users ;) |
| [15:02:07] | notlistening: | Feels i am the cause of a lot of pain :P |
| [15:02:15] | justinh: | I'd be happier if mythtv attracted fewer ubuntu users :P |
| [15:02:37] | remoteCTRL1: | hahaha |
| [15:02:40] | justinh: | the bar for entry has become too low |
| [15:02:45] | notlistening: | ;) justinh |
| [15:02:55] | remoteCTRL1: | you dindt answer the question yet what distro youre on? |
| [15:03:03] | justinh: | ubuntu |
| [15:03:05] | justinh: | for now |
| [15:03:08] | remoteCTRL1: | :DDD |
| [15:03:15] | notlistening: | why? |
| [15:03:15] | remoteCTRL1: | i can also handle debian |
| [15:03:17] | justinh: | since I switched from the packages, no more deadlocks |
| [15:03:23] | remoteCTRL1: | we mostly use it here aqt work |
| [15:03:46] | remoteCTRL1: | ok i woill clean out the box now and do a clean setup again |
| [15:03:53] | justinh: | if they pull any more stunts like Unity, I'm never updating |
| [15:03:54] | remoteCTRL1: | stupid question: |
| [15:04:17] | remoteCTRL1: | is ther actually anything in the "general" setup menu that has any influence on the card setup? |
| [15:04:25] | justinh: | remoteCTRL1: nope |
| [15:04:30] | justinh: | oh wait |
| [15:04:35] | justinh: | frequency table & stuff yes |
| [15:04:42] | remoteCTRL1: | justinh: forget about unity, use gnoe3 that ones really amazing!! |
| [15:04:59] | remoteCTRL1: | could i have done something wrong in there? |
| [15:05:03] | remoteCTRL1: | wagnerrp: |
| [15:05:06] | remoteCTRL1: | ? |
| [15:05:41] | justinh: | I made a bootable usb stick for my trip to sweden incase my laptop HDD died.. and on the laptop it comes up into unity. on a desktop machine, it comes up into Gnome |
| [15:05:45] | justinh: | I hate that |
| [15:05:55] | justinh: | remoteCTRL1: it's possible |
| [15:06:08] | justinh: | but that's why the steps are set out like that. they need to be completed IN ORDER |
| [15:06:14] | justinh: | and they ALL need to be completed |
| [15:06:16] | justinh: | completely |
| [15:06:21] | justinh: | all the way to the FINISH button |
| [15:06:38] | justinh: | skip that, you're doomed |
| [15:07:34] | justinh: | user ignores setup dialog boxes, dismissing them by blindly pressing ENTER... "do you want me to shoot you in the head now? Y/N?" |
| [15:07:55] | justinh: | BOOM. Blood splatters on the wall & floor behind the user. Whoops |
| [15:08:37] | remoteCTRL1: | which is basically what i did there... |
| [15:08:46] | remoteCTRL1: | keep pressing enter... :D |
| [15:09:29] | remoteCTRL1: | except for: |
| [15:09:34] | remoteCTRL1: | format: pal |
| [15:09:51] | remoteCTRL1: | channel frequency table: europe west |
| [15:10:58] | remoteCTRL1: | and i checked automatically fill database |
| [15:11:01] | remoteCTRL1: | #thats all |
| [15:11:12] | notlistening: | justinh, can that be a feature request |
| [15:14:56] | remoteCTRL1: | wagnerrp: justinh I FOUND IT |
| [15:15:04] | remoteCTRL1: | I AM GOING NUTS!!!!! |
| [15:15:31] | remoteCTRL1: | i just changed pal to pal-60 now i got a freakin lnb, switch, rotor dialog |
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| [16:01:30] | notlistening: | Every time i scan my channels i get new channels found, then some go missing then found some others. In the UK are channels switched in and off during the day to share bandwidth? |
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| [16:05:41] | notlistening: | Also i have to the two capture inputs on my homerun setup from two seperate souces and was hoping to see all the channels mirror in the channels list, but they are not some have two from each others only have one listing. why |
| [16:06:08] | CyberKnet: | sorry ... what was that? I wasn't listening... |
| [16:09:35] | notlistening: | ;) |
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| [16:32:12] | tgm4883: | justinh, so what should we be focusing our efforts on then? |
| [16:32:33] | wagnerrp: | HAHAHAH |
| [16:32:57] | wagnerrp: | the Ig Nobel Peace Prize went to the mayor of Vilnius |
| [16:33:25] | wagnerrp: | who showed the world that the scourge of rich people parking illegally can be solved by crushing their luxury cars with a tank |
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| [17:29:35] | wagnerrp: | oh dekarl, for shame! |
| [17:29:47] | wagnerrp: | using a webmail client with no in-reply-to support and breaking threading... |
| [17:29:49] | wagnerrp: | :P |
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| [19:01:27] | justinh: | remoteCTRL1: you changed it to pal-60?! where the hell in the world do you live? |
| [19:02:06] | ** dekarl falls off his chair... the scheduler from mtv networks is outputting the programme in an extended xmltv format :) ** | |
| [19:02:14] | justinh: | tgm4883: it doesn't matter what you do. It's unlikely a project like mythbuntu will ever satisfy me. I'll try to be less of an un-advocate if that'd make you happy |
| [19:03:18] | justinh: | tgm4883: for convenience, mythbuntu offers a lot of people an easy way to install mythtv. the majority of the stuff which can make mythtv a pig to set up (especially in Europe) is up to mythtv to fix |
| [19:04:32] | justinh: | what mythbuntu & linhes etc can't do is tell users how to scan, add lineups etc – and that these days is where the majority of users are falling down – apart from stuff where hardware doesn't work out of the box – an increasing rarity these days. Oh, and let's not forget lirc |
| [19:05:55] | jams: | heh "less of an un-advocate" |
| [19:08:28] | justinh: | and where in the world are all the GPL/CC icons these days? At this stage I'd even settle for sucky ones but those I'm finding are really beyond use |
| [19:08:56] | justinh: | looks like it's nuvola, or draw yer own |
| [19:09:19] | CyberKnet: | OSS-advocate creative types are few and far between. |
| [19:09:21] | CyberKnet: | it's a shame. |
| [19:09:31] | jams: | justinh- where i see linhes helping is 1) configure all the systems the same 2) setup of multiple systems like MBE or FE machines |
| [19:09:44] | justinh: | aye maybe |
| [19:09:46] | jams: | your right setting up a all-in-one machine is pretty straight forward |
| [19:09:57] | ** CyberKnet never looked at linhes ** | |
| [19:10:08] | justinh: | jams: try scanning DVB-S in Europe, and lining up xmltv to all the channels. Oy |
| [19:10:48] | jams: | sure..but thats outside the scope of either 1 or 2 =) |
| [19:10:54] | justinh: | it's too big a job for a small team to tackle, sorting it all out |
| [19:11:00] | jams: | yep |
| [19:13:01] | justinh: | remoteCTRL1: so what I'm not able to grasp is how changing the video standard to pal-60 made mythtv-setup aware of the stuff attached to your dvb-s tuner |
| [19:13:34] | justinh: | I thought mythtv-setup went by the device class/type to populate those options |
| [19:18:36] | dekarl: | fwiw... lining up xmltv to dvb channels is in the pipe... "just" need to figure out how to make it backwards compatible... ;) |
| [19:20:00] | justinh: | hmmm? how so |
| [19:20:53] | dekarl: | http://wiki.xmltv.org/index.php/NoLineupProposal |
| [19:22:41] | dekarl: | someone has already used the concept (on a smaller scale) http://parker1.co.uk/myth/updateid_2.0/ |
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| [19:24:28] | justinh: | oh yeah the big problem is finding unique channel identifiers for broadcast channels |
| [19:25:32] | justinh: | so the app can go "yup, that's BBC One in the North West so its xmltvid is north-west.bbc1.bbc.co.uk" |
| [19:25:33] | dekarl: | I don't understand. What problem? |
| [19:26:10] | justinh: | the problem is being able to line up scanned channels to xmltvids |
| [19:26:13] | dekarl: | Ahh, depends if someone has the national list at hand or not... (I bet it's most likely not) |
| [19:26:41] | justinh: | well, some poor chump has to maintain the lists |
| [19:26:54] | justinh: | and it'd be nicer to be able to automate that part |
| [19:27:29] | dekarl: | hmm, for DVB-T theres only a list of max 65k entries per country maintained by some national registry... |
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| [19:27:50] | justinh: | what national registry? |
| [19:27:57] | justinh: | some guy, in their spare time? heh |
| [19:28:15] | dekarl: | the people that hand out radio frequencies |
| [19:28:29] | justinh: | it's got nothing to do with radio frequencies with digital tv |
| [19:28:36] | dekarl: | and provice nice lists of all DVB-T Transmitters all over europe :) |
| [19:28:53] | justinh: | oh that stuff. that's not lining up xmltvids to channels |
| [19:29:20] | justinh: | if dvb-apps' scan util can have initial tuning files, scanning isn't the problem |
| [19:29:21] | dekarl: | sure, but once you got the list of all dvb channels you can hold that next to the list of channels a grabber supports |
| [19:29:27] | justinh: | those don't change very often |
| [19:29:48] | justinh: | I mean transponder frequencies don't often change |
| [19:29:59] | justinh: | contents of the transponders.. eesh. every few weeks in the UK :-\ |
| [19:30:25] | justinh: | this channel changes its name, another 2 channels move channel number, two disappear forever, one new channel comes along... |
| [19:31:57] | justinh: | people have been trying to think of common denominators for DVB channels which could be used to identify channels & assign them the proper xmltvid |
| [19:32:11] | dekarl: | tv_grab_uk_rt is well maintained, and Nick keeps up with his fixups very well, I bet his channel mapping solution will be equally well maintained |
| [19:32:31] | justinh: | I don't think he's reached one yet |
| [19:33:02] | justinh: | & guess who gave him the initial postcode to TV region/provider data? ;) |
| [19:33:26] | Scopeuk-AFK is now known as Scopeuk | |
| [19:34:11] | dekarl: | dumdedum... http://supplement.xmltv.org/tv_grab_uk_rt/lineups/freeview.map |
| [19:34:14] | justinh: | see, it's quite hard to tell which region a user is in, here in the UK, going by the contents of a channel table or even the output of dvb scan |
| [19:35:01] | justinh: | oh they went with serviceid after all? I was left with the impression that wasn't going to be reliable enough |
| [19:35:31] | dekarl: | I don't see the regional variants there. but they are here... http://parker1.co.uk/myth/updateid_2.0/ids.cfg |
| [19:35:40] | dekarl: | maybe it's just "what Nick receives" |
| [19:35:51] | justinh: | the snag is the regional info |
| [19:36:06] | justinh: | the regions use the same serviceids AFAIK |
| [19:36:34] | justinh: | I imagine it's also a problem for the rest of europe. mtv germany? mtv france? etc? |
| [19:36:40] | dekarl: | obviously service_id alone is not enough |
| [19:36:57] | dekarl: | (looking at the freesat.map) |
| [19:37:00] | justinh: | yeah but network_id etc aren't unique between regions either |
| [19:37:25] | justinh: | maybe the network_name could be used, but that's not stored in mythtv's channel table |
| [19:37:45] | dekarl: | if you look at the parker1.co.uk link, there's different service_ids for every regional variant. that's the way it's done in germany, too. (and I don't know of other means to achieve the wanted result) |
| [19:37:57] | justinh: | yeah for satellite sure |
| [19:38:07] | dekarl: | original_network_id + service_id are globally unique by definition |
| [19:38:14] | dekarl: | leaving mistakes aside |
| [19:38:19] | justinh: | oh! |
| [19:38:29] | dekarl: | network_id is not unique, that's correct |
| [19:38:40] | justinh: | that's what I thought it *should* be like but was pretty sure somebody said it couldn't be relied on |
| [19:39:17] | justinh: | hey ho, so there's light at the end of the tunnel. Nice :-) |
| [19:39:32] | dekarl: | well, the VDR (first big open-source DVB users IIRC) devs not knowing the difference between onid and nid didn't help either |
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| [19:39:45] | dekarl: | so theres lots of wrong information floating around :( |
| [19:39:53] | dekarl: | but yes... theres light :) |
| [19:40:16] | ** CyberKnet noticed that onid has an o, and nid does not. ** | |
| [19:40:31] | ** wagnerrp thinks the VDR users pushing 'full featured' cards is a bigger issue ** | |
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| [19:41:19] | justinh: | 'full featured' cards.. are not made anymore... plus nobody really wants to have a full-size ISA card in the box |
| [19:41:26] | justinh: | :P |
| [19:41:33] | wagnerrp: | nobody, but vdr users |
| [19:41:35] | dekarl: | ohh, full featured cards and 20 buck backends (Seagate Dockstar) |
| [19:41:53] | justinh: | and everything all in one box, running from an MFM HDD |
| [19:42:10] | justinh: | with a 7-segment LED display in the case for the win! :-O |
| [19:42:16] | justinh: | so very modern |
| [19:42:39] | CyberKnet: | if it's not nixie or VFD, it's not cool. |
| [19:43:02] | justinh: | apparently you can control VDR with your phone. Via touchtones & a dialup modem |
| [19:43:25] | CyberKnet: | nifty. |
| [19:43:57] | wagnerrp: | theres something like that on the wiki |
| [19:44:00] | CyberKnet: | For reasons that will probably incriminate me (or at least confirm my lack of intelligence) I can't even get the myth popup script to put stuff on the screen.. |
| [19:44:17] | wagnerrp: | routed through asterisk |
| [19:44:20] | justinh: | does 0.24 have that all back in? |
| [19:44:24] | CyberKnet: | I can't imagine trying to program myth over the phone though. |
| [19:44:28] | wagnerrp: | i dont think so |
| [19:44:41] | wagnerrp: | i think mythmessage didnt get added until 0.25 |
| [19:45:18] | CyberKnet: | ok, see... I didn't even know about mythmessage |
| [19:45:33] | dekarl: | over the phone? "hey sweatheart, mind to record tonights movie?", I can do that, too :D |
| [19:45:54] | CyberKnet: | dekarl: heh |
| [19:46:47] | CyberKnet: | oh. my. goodness. if I could only stop SSHing to my backend thinking it is my frontend. ugh. |
| [19:46:54] | CyberKnet: | that's what I get for running combined for so long. |
| [19:47:43] | ** CyberKnet tries to remember what his frontend's IP address is ** | |
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| [19:50:01] | CyberKnet: | so should mythtvosd work in 0.24.1 ? |
| [19:52:06] | CyberKnet: | appears not. hrmph. Well, I can wait until 0.25. Should only be a few more years :) |
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| [19:54:31] | justinh: | I only ever used mythtvosd to freak my wife out |
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| [19:56:02] | CyberKnet: | justinh: is there a better reason?? |
| [19:56:52] | CyberKnet: | honestly I wouldn't mind throwing CID up on the screen... |
| [19:59:18] | justinh: | I turn the phone ringer off if I'm gonna watch a film |
| [19:59:42] | justinh: | parents always call when I'm doing something |
| [19:59:57] | CyberKnet: | heh |
| [20:00:16] | CyberKnet: | I always forget to bring the phone to the couch so I hate getting up to see who's calling. |
| [20:01:18] | justinh: | never considered paying for CID |
| [20:01:32] | justinh: | yes, we'd have to pay for it here, so it's not worth it |
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| [20:01:53] | justinh: | it's either parents on the home phone or telemarketers who shouldn't be calling anyway |
| [20:02:21] | justinh: | in a few years home phones will be nothing but a memory :) |
| [20:02:31] | CyberKnet: | usually parents, yeah. |
| [20:02:37] | CyberKnet: | occasionally a sibling. |
| [20:03:03] | justinh: | my siblings only ever Facebook. So I don't keep in touch much |
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| [20:03:33] | justinh: | my parents started following me on Twitter. god only knows how they found me. So I got a new account |
| [20:03:50] | CyberKnet: | hah |
| [20:12:19] | wagnerrp: | because your life is of interest to follow on twitter? |
| [20:12:44] | ** wagnerrp knows full well his life is of no interest on twitter ** | |
| [20:14:11] | justinh: | depends who you follow, and who follows you ;) |
| [20:14:25] | dekarl: | justinh: lol, heard that lately, young people are not afraid of house arrest anymore, they're afraid of their parents wanting to be friends on facebook ;) |
| [20:15:42] | justinh: | I have a facebook but I don't log in very often |
| [20:16:22] | justinh: | I thought I had all the email notifications turned off, but my sister's pleas for donations to her boyfriend's parachute jump made me tempted to offer to pack the chute for him |
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| [20:17:34] | maccco: | is it possible to have stream information/signal quality and other data while watching tv? |
| [20:18:00] | wagnerrp: | F7, or alt-F7 |
| [20:18:07] | wagnerrp: | something like that |
| [20:18:14] | wagnerrp: | although ive not heard of anyone using it for years |
| [20:18:22] | wagnerrp: | i dont know if it still works |
| [20:18:25] | maccco: | lol |
| [20:18:43] | justinh: | or just use femon |
| [20:18:46] | maccco: | i would like to know sometimes if the audio is dolby digital or thing like that |
| [20:18:57] | maccco: | femon? |
| [20:19:00] | wagnerrp: | ah, no... we dont have anything like that |
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| [20:19:05] | justinh: | oh. you can't get that info from mythfrontend or femon |
| [20:19:08] | wagnerrp: | femon is 'front end monitor' |
| [20:19:29] | wagnerrp: | its supposed to give information on signal strength and signal reconstruction from the tuner frontend |
| [20:19:44] | wagnerrp: | frontend being a DVB term, not something mythtv related |
| [20:20:18] | maccco: | anyway it's not something I can see superimposed on tv |
| [20:20:32] | wagnerrp: | its not what youre looking for anyway |
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| [20:20:57] | maccco: | by the way i don't know if this is a bug or something |
| [20:21:09] | maccco: | when I start the livetv |
| [20:21:17] | maccco: | it tunes on the last channel |
| [20:21:25] | maccco: | till here it's ok |
| [20:21:38] | maccco: | if I press up arrov it starts browsing channels from channel 1 |
| [20:21:51] | maccco: | don't matter if the firts channel is 500 or seomthing |
| [20:22:34] | dekarl: | you might have to map another key als ALT+Fx is cought before it reaches the frontend (e.g. on mythbuntu) |
| [20:23:07] | maccco: | if i tune to channel 500 again it browse correctly |
| [20:23:29] | maccco: | up arrow shows me 501 |
| [20:23:29] | dekarl: | There is no display of the count of stream discontinuities anywhere, correct? |
| [20:24:10] | maccco: | signal is good, if this is what you mean |
| [20:24:39] | maccco: | looks like frontend forgets you're on channel 500 first time |
| [20:24:49] | maccco: | when you change channel it's ok |
| [20:25:47] | dekarl: | not really. basically if the capture device has uncorrectable errors the stream behind the error will carry a flag to signal "a discontinuity happend" (I didn't really understand the concept yet, but the mumudvb folks hinted that it's a good number to monitor your receiption quality) |
| [20:25:54] | maccco: | maybe frontend doesn't points its position variable to the right channel when it starts a livetv session with a channel diferent from 1 |
| [20:26:36] | justinh: | 500. pfft. when I was a lad we had three channels |
| [20:26:54] | maccco: | should I file a bug? |
| [20:27:11] | justinh: | it *always* goes back to the last successfully tuned channel |
| [20:27:21] | justinh: | well always tries to. |
| [20:27:29] | maccco: | "livetv doesn't set it's position variable to the fright channel when it starts" |
| [20:27:43] | justinh: | it's not a variable |
| [20:27:47] | justinh: | it's stored in the database |
| [20:27:53] | maccco: | wait i know |
| [20:28:06] | maccco: | the problem is only about osd |
| [20:28:29] | justinh: | you mean the up key goes down channel numbers? ;-) |
| [20:28:30] | maccco: | what happens chen watching a live tv channel and press up arrow to you? |
| [20:29:10] | justinh: | anyway. livetv. heheheheheh |
| [20:29:14] | maccco: | in my frontend it shows on the osd what's on air in the next channel |
| [20:29:26] | justinh: | you 20th century folks are so amusing :-) |
| [20:29:38] | maccco: | why? |
| [20:29:49] | justinh: | watching tv as it happens. so quaint |
| [20:30:33] | maccco: | You don't watch sports |
| [20:30:44] | justinh: | nope. and if I did I wouldn't watch them live |
| [20:31:00] | maccco: | anyway i try to explain again |
| [20:31:10] | maccco: | the frontend tunes to the right channel |
| [20:31:14] | justinh: | of course |
| [20:31:24] | maccco: | i.e. 500 |
| [20:31:45] | maccco: | if I press up arrow I expetc it to show me whatr's on air in 501 channel |
| [20:31:58] | justinh: | but it's showing you what's on channel 1 instead? |
| [20:32:00] | maccco: | it shows me what's on air on channel 1 |
| [20:32:04] | justinh: | ah that might be a bug then |
| [20:32:24] | maccco: | ok |
| [20:32:35] | jams: | maccco- do you have multiple sources? |
| [20:32:39] | maccco: | yes |
| [20:32:49] | maccco: | a double tuner card |
| [20:33:19] | jams: | do they use the same lineup? |
| [20:33:38] | jams: | or same guide data |
| [20:33:49] | maccco: | yes |
| [20:33:57] | jams: | ok then..nevermind :) |
| [20:34:10] | maccco: | ;) |
| [20:34:17] | maccco: | by the way |
| [20:34:33] | maccco: | mythtx is not very smart with this setup |
| [20:34:53] | maccco: | if i', watching something live and he has to record something |
| [20:35:12] | maccco: | he doesnt't choose the free recorder |
| [20:35:27] | justinh: | so don't use live tv. nobody who matters cares much for it |
| [20:35:45] | maccco: | it always wants to make me stop my livetv |
| [20:36:12] | jams: | maccco- yeah it's acommon complaint. There are a few tricks to use and depending on what version your using a setting to try to prevent that |
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| [20:36:57] | maccco: | justinh: i didn't know livetv was an unsupported feature ;) |
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| [20:37:24] | wagnerrp: | less unsupported, more unused |
| [20:37:40] | maccco: | i like to listen to news whiloe cooking |
| [20:38:02] | justinh: | so schedule a daily timeslot recording & just watch that |
| [20:38:43] | maccco: | :-\ |
| [20:38:55] | justinh: | there are no livetv sympathisers here :-) |
| [20:38:58] | maccco: | thank you for the help!! |
| [20:39:06] | jams: | maccco- tv settings->general-> avoid conflicts between live tv |
| [20:39:19] | maccco: | jams: thanks a lot! |
| [20:39:25] | justinh: | see the mythtv-users list for this & other discussions, done to the death. |
| [20:39:29] | jams: | also "allow live tv to move scheduled shows: |
| [20:39:35] | jams: | " |
| [20:39:37] | maccco: | now i'm going tp watch LOTR on my 100'' screen ;) |
| [20:39:48] | jams: | ok..see you in about 4 hours |
| [20:39:53] | justinh: | ah. tv screen compensation |
| [20:40:16] | mzanetti: | hi! since some time my mysql db produces a very high amount of iowaits. iostat shows that it is writing constantly with 1.5MB/s to the disk. |
| [20:40:16] | maccco: | prokector screen off course |
| [20:41:05] | iamlindoro: | jams: 4 Hours? For one movie, maybe ;) He'll be back in 12! |
| [20:41:06] | ** justinh is glad he doesn't have a prokector ** | |
| [20:41:06] | mzanetti: | anyone has any hints how to fix that? |
| [20:41:21] | justinh: | mzanetti: maybe more a question for #mysql |
| [20:41:23] | ** iamlindoro is wearing his pocket prokector right now ** | |
| [20:41:50] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: did you see my ramblings in the other channel last night? |
| [20:41:57] | mzanetti: | justinh: I blieve its more because the mythconverg db is now 7 years old and grew wuite big |
| [20:42:09] | infojunky_: | anyone here ever made a theme? |
| [20:42:14] | justinh: | infojunky_: yes |
| [20:42:16] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Yes, I saw, though I don't really have the time to look at it in the next little bit-- Your solution would be the one I would use |
| [20:42:22] | iamlindoro: | which will require a DB update |
| [20:42:37] | infojunky_: | justinh: is the hardest part getting it to work across aspects and resolutions? |
| [20:42:41] | justinh: | infojunky_: no |
| [20:42:42] | iamlindoro: | It's definitely easy to fix, I just don't know when I'll have a chance to look at it |
| [20:42:47] | iamlindoro: | Maybe sometime this weekend |
| [20:42:54] | justinh: | the hardest part is finding icons which don't suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111One!! |
| [20:42:59] | infojunky_: | ah |
| [20:43:17] | iamlindoro: | Or drawing your own |
| [20:43:20] | justinh: | infojunky_: you can't really succeed in getting themes to work at different aspect ratios without things screwing up |
| [20:43:27] | iamlindoro: | and I'm a "yes" to the original question, too |
| [20:44:06] | infojunky_: | justinh: i figured that, but if I go the distance I'll just do the theme at both 16:9 and 4:3 |
| [20:44:25] | justinh: | e.g. a 16:9 theme's square icons or circles will look squashed at 4:3, and spacing you've worked out will probably need tweaking to work at more than one aspect |
| [20:44:27] | iamlindoro: | Let us know if you still feel that way after completing one complete one |
| [20:44:38] | iamlindoro: | Given the hundreds of hours you'll spend on a single aspect ratio |
| [20:44:47] | infojunky_: | justinh: yea. just do 2 themes. one at each |
| [20:45:00] | justinh: | you say 'just'... but it's a CRAPTON of work |
| [20:45:11] | justinh: | and I know a thing or 2 about making themes |
| [20:45:16] | infojunky_: | fully aware. |
| [20:45:29] | justinh: | I did.. how many themes before mythui came along? and here I am, still slaving away on my new one |
| [20:46:01] | justinh: | IMHO you'll be doing well if you ever want to see another line of XML after the first 100 hours |
| [20:46:22] | iamlindoro: | MythUI has been around for years now and I'm still the only person to complete 100% of a theme |
| [20:46:39] | justinh: | iamlindoro: yeah well, you will keep adding stuff ;-) |
| [20:46:49] | iamlindoro: | Heh |
| [20:47:07] | justinh: | mind, I'm never gonna go down the road of theming *all* the plugins again |
| [20:47:17] | justinh: | I did mytharchive once. NEVER. AGAIN |
| [20:47:29] | iamlindoro: | Every time I get to theming some of them I inevitably suggest we drop that plugin |
| [20:47:37] | justinh: | mytharchive? ;) |
| [20:47:43] | iamlindoro: | the plugin(s) which shall remain nameless ;) |
| [20:47:49] | justinh: | mythzoneminder... |
| [20:48:06] | justinh: | mythmusic is dead to me til it's ported to mythui |
| [20:48:14] | iamlindoro: | Maybe by .30 |
| [20:48:19] | justinh: | and mythweather.. no disrespect.. can go to hell |
| [20:48:33] | infojunky_: | haha |
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| [20:48:54] | justinh: | mythnetvision is next on my list |
| [20:49:01] | justinh: | for theming, not getting rid of :D |
| [20:49:04] | iamlindoro: | It's basically the same as theming mythvideo |
| [20:49:12] | justinh: | gathered that much |
| [20:49:18] | iamlindoro: | In fact, can basically swap a couple text fields and window names and you are done |
| [20:49:21] | justinh: | I wish mythmusic was |
| [20:49:37] | justinh: | actually I wish more of mythtv was |
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| [20:49:47] | iamlindoro: | When I get around to finishing it, MythGame will be th same |
| [20:50:08] | justinh: | heh never really knew how mythgame was supposed to work, so didn't go into much detail with it |
| [20:50:09] | iamlindoro: | I've thrown more effort at the Services API/web setup this release than any plguins |
| [20:50:30] | xavierh: | To be honest, i am not surprise that the theme ae a pain to do, even the setup in mythfrontend need xml file :( at least the on coverted to MythUI |
| [20:50:31] | justinh: | emulation never held any interest for me |
| [20:51:05] | ** justinh didn't mis-spend much of his youth in arcades or on consoles ** | |
| [20:51:14] | justinh: | must be why I'm so uptight :D |
| [20:51:21] | iamlindoro: | I only use it for ScummVM |
| [20:51:36] | iamlindoro: | Whenever I get the itch to play old Lucasarts or Sierra games |
| [20:52:25] | justinh: | damn, why didn't I keep the original files I used to make the glass-wide theme? boo |
| [20:52:37] | justinh: | I prolly did but they're on a HDD in a box in the attic |
| [20:53:28] | iamlindoro: | I used to keep an svn repository of Arclight running on my BE, that was worth the effort to set up given how much things change and then change back |
| [20:53:47] | iamlindoro: | Lots of things seem to make sens until you use them for 24 hours |
| [20:53:50] | iamlindoro: | er sense |
| [20:53:52] | skd5aner: | WOW – this is definitely geek hardhacking at it's finest – bonus geek points for chosing Star Wars – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHJOz_y9rZE&am . . . yer_embedded |
| [20:54:21] | justinh: | I'm mulling a big change in the guidegrid right now, adding more rows |
| [20:54:40] | justinh: | iamlindoro: heh I tried horizontal menus for a few months |
| [20:54:55] | iamlindoro: | I still like Horizontal Menus |
| [20:54:59] | iamlindoro: | sometimes |
| [20:55:05] | justinh: | oh so do I, but not in the PBB |
| [20:55:30] | justinh: | I'd still angle for a tree style view in there |
| [20:56:01] | justinh: | but I'd put money on even if I did all the code, and made the user able to choose the view it'd be opposed |
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| [20:58:33] | iamlindoro: | Wouldn't bother me, personally |
| [21:00:24] | justinh: | I can't see the harm in having a choice of views. I mean that'll be the way the rest of mythtv is going |
| [21:04:28] | justinh: | I might just not bother with watermark icons at all |
| [21:04:31] | justinh: | I can't be arsed |
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| [21:05:15] | justinh: | everything else in my theme has been drawn from scratch. no nicking icons from anywhere |
| [21:05:29] | justinh: | apart from the fonts. I didn't draw those :) |
| [21:06:51] | justinh: | iamlindoro: oh yeah, I haz animated progress bars :) |
| [21:07:15] | justinh: | dunno why I bothered, it's not like you see em onscreen for long |
| [21:07:16] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, saw your screencap, cool |
| [21:07:43] | justinh: | think it's fair to say that 'Concept' is definitely my magnum opus |
| [21:07:58] | justinh: | and it doesn't even 'wow' or 'ooo' |
| [21:08:16] | justinh: | no shiny, just wife friendly functional. I am getting old |
| [21:09:27] | iamlindoro: | I've been screwing around with a few different notions lately, but little interest in releasing another theme publicly given the emotional toll of the commentary by both users and devs alike |
| [21:10:15] | justinh: | I've always tried to be genuinely supportive but it seems I just don't have it in me |
| [21:11:09] | justinh: | doesn't matter how many ways I try to say "I love a lot of the thing, but it just doesn't press enough buttons for the missus" it leaves a bad taste in somebody's mouth |
| [21:11:24] | justinh: | as for whether Concept will ever see the public... still up for debate |
| [21:12:14] | justinh: | iamlindoro: I still say though, frickin top marks for managing to make arclight work perfectly on my 16:9 TV run from 800x600 :D |
| [21:12:46] | justinh: | I remember you said it wasn't intentional or was never tested.. but still! |
| [21:13:39] | justinh: | awesome amount of work... such pedantic attention to detail. It'd prolly have taken me 3 years to do |
| [21:13:49] | iamlindoro: | http://www.fecitfacta.com/cadence.png and http://www.fecitfacta.com/concept.png are both actual themes in varying states of completion |
| [21:14:01] | justinh: | which is about what this one has if I remember right, one & off |
| [21:14:22] | iamlindoro: | The latter actually looks a lot better now IMO and I use it regularly, full icon set done, etc. |
| [21:14:36] | justinh: | ruh? when did you start calling it that? |
| [21:14:40] | justinh: | (oh noes) |
| [21:14:46] | iamlindoro: | the latter? It's not the name of the theme |
| [21:14:51] | iamlindoro: | just an expression of its status |
| [21:14:51] | justinh: | heh |
| [21:16:23] | justinh: | great stuff. I'm using mine every day. mrs seems to like it |
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| [21:18:04] | justinh: | I always knew when mythui changes came about I'd probably have to change my workflow for more efficiency.. but I'm set in my ways. Hack, hack... hack |
| [21:18:16] | justinh: | which is why everything's been taking so long |
| [21:18:45] | justinh: | a real designer would plan it all out at least. I just leap right in |
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| [21:18:59] | iamlindoro: | I'm currently just in a phase where writing services APIs and working on setup is a lot more fun than theming |
| [21:19:17] | iamlindoro: | Though I'm sure once more people start to work on setup, it'll become less fun for me when design by committee takes over |
| [21:20:04] | iamlindoro: | Then again, only two of us have done any work on it in six months, so maybe it'll be blissfully calm all the way through-- everyone wants web setup, nobody wants to work on it ;) |
| [21:20:07] | justinh: | yeah I imagine so |
| [21:20:13] | justinh: | haha |
| [21:20:23] | justinh: | like mythui in the beginning |
| [21:21:07] | iamlindoro: | We've got all the APIs one needs to set up non-Digital capture devices now (and digital tuners which tune by virtual channel), so I've been having fun with that |
| [21:21:10] | justinh: | I still say it's amazing how much gets done considering how few people are heavily involved |
| [21:21:20] | iamlindoro: | eg: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGAM93n4BX0 |
| [21:21:32] | justinh: | oo.. this gonna tie up with the mew xmltv stuff? |
| [21:22:10] | iamlindoro: | I have no knowledge of XMLTV so probably not, that'll take someone who knows it to get involved |
| [21:22:22] | justinh: | OMG there's sound! you speak :-O |
| [21:22:39] | iamlindoro: | Much as I despise my own recorded voice |
| [21:22:59] | iamlindoro: | No idea what happened to the first few keyframes |
| [21:24:01] | justinh: | you kidding? interest in your voice, intonation.. great v/o for on the fly.. jesus. great v/o for not on the fly. |
| [21:24:13] | iamlindoro: | kind of you to say |
| [21:24:50] | jams: | well it's no where near the quality of the linuxmce v/o =) |
| [21:24:54] | justinh: | I can actually make out what you're saying |
| [21:24:57] | justinh: | LOL |
| [21:25:24] | justinh: | yeah you'd have to work hard to keep your voice the same pitch all the way through the video like that guy |
| [21:25:36] | iamlindoro: | I'll try harder next time ;) |
| [21:25:38] | jams: | hehe |
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| [21:26:34] | justinh: | bloody hell iamlindoro whatever happens this MUST see the light of day |
| [21:27:56] | justinh: | and the next promo vid.. I know who I'd ask to voice it ;) |
| [21:30:00] | justinh: | so it was either convert mythtv-setup to mythui.. or make something totally new & kickass. heh |
| [21:30:16] | jams: | iamlindoro- or those services documented? right now i do the same thing with my app except it's a db insert. Would rather use services when possible |
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| [21:31:39] | iamlindoro: | jams: in Master, backendserverip:6544/ will give you the backend web server |
| [21:32:00] | iamlindoro: | From there, you can click the API menu item, and get a WSDL link for each service, which includes all the APIs |
| [21:32:10] | jams: | thx |
| [21:32:19] | iamlindoro: | So the API is, in most respects, self documenting |
| [21:32:27] | justinh: | awesomeness |
| [21:32:30] | iamlindoro: | in that it give you the commands, the parameters, their returns, etc. |
| [21:32:42] | iamlindoro: | But it does lack a plain english explanation, which it would be nice to put in the wiki |
| [21:32:59] | iamlindoro: | In general the commands are pretty self explanatory |
| [21:33:14] | justinh: | this is exciting stuff, I don't mind saying |
| [21:33:30] | jams: | although that means the BE must be running. Will have to change my process a bit |
| [21:33:37] | justinh: | & I don't really know my API from my ABI ;) |
| [21:35:43] | justinh: | I think I need a linux partition on my new desktop machine. see if I can get some more coding done before the new arrival in Feb |
| [21:37:34] | wagnerrp: | the only bit that isnt properly documented currently are methods that return lists |
| [21:37:49] | wagnerrp: | the list is just marked as returning a bunch of variants |
| [21:41:19] | iamlindoro: | jams: justinh: Here, as an example, is querying lineups from SchedulesDirect: http://pastebin.com/Y8DmLRsr |
| [21:42:27] | iamlindoro: | There are also content methods |
| [21:42:27] | iamlindoro: | e |
| [21:42:27] | iamlindoro: | g |
| [21:42:28] | iamlindoro: | : |
| [21:42:28] | iamlindoro: | |
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| [21:42:52] | iamlindoro: | http://BackendserverIP:6544/Content/GetVideoA . . . mp;Width=300 |
| [21:43:03] | iamlindoro: | Scale images on the BE and serve them up with the dimensions you want, etc. |
| [21:43:53] | iamlindoro: | Metadata lookup for recordings on Master's mythweb uses one of the APIs to perform looksup of shows to set the inetref/season/episode for recording rules, etc. |
| [21:44:19] | justinh: | OMG |
| [21:45:03] | justinh: | xmltv isn't far short of having a lookup thing like that, but maybe they need a helping hand there.. but once in place... kablooey |
| [21:46:08] | justinh: | I think I'll have a word with Nick. See if there's anything I can sort out – whether it be rallying troops to gather data, or whatever |
| [21:47:06] | justinh: | iamlindoro: hhahaha. I just copied video-ui.xml to netvision-ui.xml.. browse internet video seems to be ok. LOL |
| [21:48:02] | ** iamlindoro likes consistency ** | |
| [21:48:19] | justinh: | you're not kidding |
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| [21:49:20] | iamlindoro: | There are some textarea names that don't translate to both sides, but they're relatively minimal |
| [21:49:57] | justinh: | yeh well, it wouldn't be *that* interchangeable |
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| [21:50:29] | justinh: | oh crap. iplayer just royally screwed X |
| [21:51:06] | justinh: | killall mythfrontend fixed it. silly flash crap |
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| [21:51:59] | iamlindoro: | Youtube is better to test, if you're on master |
| [21:52:05] | iamlindoro: | then at least you can use the remote/regular playback keys |
| [21:52:13] | iamlindoro: | (or Vimeo, or Blip, or Dailymotion) |
| [21:52:15] | justinh: | why would iplayer have a show in their 'top picks' which is no longer available? stupid |
| [21:53:00] | justinh: | not on master on my current system. have a feeling it won't be long before I have a dev box going again though |
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| [21:54:48] | justinh: | there's still stuff on my to-do list. I wish I could come up with a good idea for reducing the amount of menu keys – but everything in all the menus is important to keep & schlopping stuff into submenus... few will be overjoyed at that |
| [21:56:01] | justinh: | stick to little things, like adding channel icon support into the PBB |
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| [22:06:22] | justinh: | ahh. with MNV there's a certain amount of fettling to do – i.e. update site maps etc |
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| [22:08:03] | justinh: | if I can get flash to play on my frontend without tearing horribly I suspect we'll use MNV quite a lot |
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| [22:37:52] | iamlindoro: | justinh: Just cron mythfillnetvision |
| [22:38:01] | iamlindoro: | and it'll keep things up to date for you |
| [22:47:39] | Twiggy2cents: | is it possible for flash to not tear horribly? |
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| [22:55:26] | justinh: | Twiggy2cents: sure it is. I've seen it on systems wih nvidia graphics hardware |
| [22:55:36] | justinh: | dunno about on linux though |
| [22:55:40] | justinh: | iamlindoro: cheers |
| [22:57:17] | Twiggy2cents: | I meant on linux |
| [22:58:35] | jams: | seems ok on my machine. it was awful but after i updated the system it went away |
| [22:58:38] | Twiggy2cents: | OT, how do you make a hyperlink that isnt a whole link? in otherwards I am on blah.com/index.html and I want a link to go to blah.com/mythweb. The issue here is that at home I go off the IP and from the outside I go off the dyndns. |
| [22:58:44] | jams: | still a cpu hog though |
| [22:58:51] | Twiggy2cents: | jams, try some hd flash |
| [22:59:27] | jams: | that only encourages ppl to keep producing it |
| [23:01:04] | Twiggy2cents: | url=/mythweb |
| [23:01:11] | Twiggy2cents: | woudl that work in a link? |
| [23:01:46] | jams: | yes |
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| [23:05:41] | Twiggy2cents: | yay thanks |
| [23:08:15] | justinh: | oh hahahahaha |
| [23:08:33] | justinh: | flash player doing iplayer tears like mad, but get this – if you bring up the settings dialog. NO TEARING |
| [23:13:24] | k-man: | what is fftw used for in the plugins? |
| [23:13:55] | k-man: | like, is it detrimental if configure says FFTW will not be compiled? |
| [23:15:46] | iamlindoro: | MythMusic visualizations |
| [23:16:08] | k-man: | ah, thanks iamlindoro |
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| [23:25:55] | justinh: | if we all club together y'know we could raise some money & put a price on Flash's head |
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| [23:33:38] | justinh: | www.buybulletsforflash.com .. raise zillions to kill adobe flash for good :D |
| [23:40:11] | wagnerrp: | sadly, flash will never go away |
| [23:40:20] | wagnerrp: | because only proprietary software can do DRM |
| [23:43:21] | wagnerrp: | and with silverlight gone, and Real and Quicktime plugins long since irrelevant |
| [23:43:51] | wagnerrp: | i dont see html5 supplanting flash, regardless of how good or bad it may be |
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| [23:48:45] | jams: | i really don't have a major problem with flash, just thats it's used for stuff when it shouldn't be. Totally killed the web |
| [23:50:11] | wagnerrp: | i dont have a problem with flash when it is used for rich animation |
| [23:50:27] | wagnerrp: | but like you said, there are a lot of instances where rich animation is not needed or desired |
| [23:50:33] | jams: | yep |
| [23:50:45] | wagnerrp: | and then theres the whole issue of ads where half a dozen flash ads killing a page on lesser machines |
| [23:50:52] | wagnerrp: | i do have a problem with flash being used for video |
| [23:51:02] | wagnerrp: | because it is complete garbage as a video player |
| [23:51:32] | Twiggy2cents: | do you have an idea how to regroup tabs on xchat? I accidentally separated this one and dont know how to get it to go back to the rest |
| [23:51:48] | Twiggy2cents: | On a side note, I just want netflix integration to linux |
| [23:51:53] | Twiggy2cents: | non flash |
| [23:52:06] | wagnerrp: | hit 'xchat' in the top left, and 'attach' |
| [23:52:14] | jams: | Twiggy2cents- xchat->attach |
| [23:52:20] | jams: | yeah what wagnerrp said |
| [23:52:20] | wagnerrp: | netflix doesnt use flash anyway |
| [23:53:18] | Twiggy2cents: | I dont pay attention to stuff that doesnt concern me. Silverlight is its own player? |
| [23:53:20] | wagnerrp: | but with microsoft abandoning silverlight, im wondering what netflix will do for instant |
| [23:53:37] | wagnerrp: | silverlight is a plugin and web framework, much like flash |
| [23:53:38] | Twiggy2cents: | I dont have an option to attach |
| [23:53:47] | wagnerrp: | but AIUI, it actually does video properly |
| [23:54:05] | Twiggy2cents: | ohh not the icon... duhhh you mean the XChat meny |
| [23:54:20] | wagnerrp: | yes, the word 'xchat' in the top left |
| [23:55:28] | Twiggy2cents: | so is there anything current that would support drm video on linux? |
| [23:55:39] | wagnerrp: | flash |
| [23:56:25] | Twiggy2cents: | So then netflix just doesn't care about linux or doesnt like flash? |
| [23:56:46] | wagnerrp: | netflix uses silverlight |
| [23:56:51] | wagnerrp: | which covers windows and osx |
| [23:56:54] | wagnerrp: | they dont care about linux |
| [23:57:04] | Twiggy2cents: | Gotcha |
| [23:57:32] | Twiggy2cents: | Good thing I have a ps3 then |
| [23:57:43] | wagnerrp: | do they still require a disk for that? |
| [23:57:47] | Twiggy2cents: | nope |
| [23:58:07] | Twiggy2cents: | I think I will dust off the Wii and put it and a tv in the bedroom just for netflix |
| [23:59:53] | Twiggy2cents: | I doubt it would be used much. A Wii is a good family console, or a drunken party console. It's not very fun for playing by yourself on. |
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