| Monday, September 26th, 2011, 00:02 UTC | ||
| [00:02:08] | notlistening: | gave in and installed ubuntu-standard |
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| [00:04:12] | wagnerrp: | why cant mythtv be up and running on different hardware in about five minutes without VMs? |
| [00:04:36] | wagnerrp: | if you want portability, you create a loopback drive |
| [00:04:45] | wagnerrp: | mount it, format it, install a new userland into it |
| [00:04:53] | wagnerrp: | install mythtv into it |
| [00:04:55] | wagnerrp: | chroot, and run mythtv |
| [00:05:13] | wagnerrp: | if you want to change hardware, you copy that disk image to another computer |
| [00:05:18] | wagnerrp: | mount it, chroot it, run mythtv |
| [00:05:34] | wagnerrp: | it takes all of thirty seconds longer than the actual copy operation |
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| [00:06:20] | pyther: | Hello |
| [00:06:32] | pyther: | something bad happened... under scheduled recordings it says that no programs have been scheduled |
| [00:06:47] | wagnerrp: | check your listings, do you have any guide data? |
| [00:06:59] | wagnerrp: | check the status screens, are your tuners not connected? |
| [00:07:09] | wagnerrp: | are your hard drives not mounted? |
| [00:07:13] | pyther: | I have guid data, I have recordning rules |
| [00:07:20] | pyther: | wagnerrp: I'm almost out of space... |
| [00:07:30] | pyther: | but I thought myth would just discard some old stuff |
| [00:07:57] | wagnerrp: | it should by default, but you can disable that globally or per rule |
| [00:08:31] | pyther: | There is nothing in the system status that prompts any errors |
| [00:08:36] | pyther: | autoexpire list is populated |
| [00:08:42] | wagnerrp: | post your backend log |
| [00:10:21] | pyther: | wagnerrp: fonud this error... http://paste.pocoo.org/show/482458/ |
| [00:10:24] | pyther: | let me know if you need more |
| [00:10:44] | wagnerrp: | seems your database has been corrupted |
| [00:10:51] | pyther: | yah why though? |
| [00:10:55] | pyther: | and can I fix it? |
| [00:11:01] | pyther: | or do I have start from scratch |
| [00:11:16] | wagnerrp: | see the 'optimize_database.pl' script |
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| [00:13:32] | pyther: | wagnerrp: should I restart the backend afterwards? |
| [00:14:17] | wagnerrp: | you should not be running the backend currently |
| [00:16:00] | pyther: | wagnerrp: that seemed to do the trick, thanks |
| [00:16:08] | mzb is now known as mzb_ | |
| [00:16:10] | pyther: | what could have caused the corruption though? |
| [00:16:34] | wagnerrp: | incorrect shutdown, loss of free space during database operations |
| [00:17:41] | pyther: | hmm I don't think any of those things accord, I'll keep my eye on it |
| [00:17:52] | pyther: | I don't have anything all that important on it |
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| [00:18:08] | Shadow__X: | pyther: it wouildnt be a bad idea to jot down how you fixed it this time for future refernce |
| [00:18:39] | pyther: | Shadow__X: well I simply ran the mythtv database optimize script |
| [00:18:48] | pyther: | so I'm not really sure what got fixed |
| [00:19:01] | Shadow__X: | but did you know about the script before? |
| [00:19:13] | pyther: | No, I see what you are saying |
| [00:20:00] | pyther: | thanks again |
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| [00:20:18] | pyther: | just got home from an 8 hour (round-trip) car trip that took the whole day, I think I'm gonna relax for a bit |
| [00:25:23] | notlistening: | same problem :( |
| [00:26:51] | notlistening: | mythtv-setup.re[723]: segfault at 20 ip 039d7d00 sp bf9fdf80 error 4 in libQtCore.so.4.7.2[3862000+28a000] |
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| [00:28:21] | wagnerrp: | cant do anything about segfaults without a backtrace |
| [00:28:33] | wagnerrp: | and segfaults in the qt libraries are often out of our capability |
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| [01:21:38] | hoolio: | so i got a new plasma panel |
| [01:21:49] | hoolio: | and it needed a bit of manual zoom to get the image to fit right |
| [01:21:59] | hoolio: | how do i make those settings permanent? |
| [01:22:14] | wagnerrp: | screen setup wizard |
| [01:23:17] | hoolio: | i ran that, gave me the white corner things |
| [01:23:26] | hoolio: | they are set correctly |
| [01:23:45] | hoolio: | the myth gui size is fine |
| [01:23:49] | hoolio: | it's just playback is the issue |
| [01:24:07] | pyther: | I'm not getting any audio out of mythtv, using pulse, what steps can I take to troubleshoot? |
| [01:24:15] | [R]: | pyther: remove that crap |
| [01:24:17] | wagnerrp: | uninstall pulseaudio |
| [01:24:29] | pyther: | well that is not feasible |
| [01:24:34] | [R]: | that sucks |
| [01:24:48] | pyther: | oh gez, I'm an idiot, some how it was muted |
| [01:24:52] | [R]: | rofl |
| [01:24:53] | ** pyther facepalms himself ** | |
| [01:25:10] | wagnerrp: | plus youre using pulseaudio |
| [01:25:27] | pyther: | well to be fair pulse lets me easily switch between my two soundcards |
| [01:25:32] | [R]: | wagnerrp: you're |
| [01:25:38] | pyther: | allowing me to usually switch betwen my stereo system and headphones |
| [01:26:17] | wagnerrp: | usually stereos turn off the speakers when you plug headphones in |
| [01:26:29] | hoolio: | during playback 16:9 isn't high enough |
| [01:26:36] | hoolio: | but i can fix that using "manual zoom" |
| [01:26:46] | hoolio: | and can commit it for the duration of the playback of that recording |
| [01:27:01] | hoolio: | but i want it to be a permanent change |
| [01:27:08] | pyther: | wagnerrp: well I have a 1985 receiver that takes 1/4" headphone jack and I don't have an adapter |
| [01:27:17] | pyther: | plus the receiver generates a lot of heat |
| [01:29:31] | wagnerrp: | so, youre stuck between two bad solutions |
| [01:30:03] | [R]: | i'd just get a splitter |
| [01:35:50] | pyther: | so there is no way I can make myth work with pulse |
| [01:35:55] | pyther: | now I'm getting a ton of static |
| [01:36:27] | wagnerrp: | it works, it just doesnt work well |
| [01:36:48] | pyther: | For me it'll work for 10 minutes, then I'll get static |
| [01:37:36] | pyther: | I guess I'll just use alsa for now |
| [01:48:20] | hoolio: | wagnerrp, are you saying the screen setup wizard should do more than allow me to position the two white corners for the myth gui? |
| [01:48:58] | wagnerrp: | the screen setup wizard should set the edges for the GUI and playback |
| [01:49:34] | hoolio: | okay, i don't recall it allowing me to do the latter |
| [01:49:40] | hoolio: | i will revisit it however, ta. |
| [01:49:42] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [01:49:47] | wagnerrp: | it sets it all at once |
| [01:49:59] | wagnerrp: | it tells mythtv the draw extents of your display |
| [01:50:10] | hoolio: | oic. |
| [01:50:13] | wagnerrp: | this is.... letterboxed analog content? |
| [01:50:27] | wagnerrp: | meaning the video is a small rectangle in the center of your 16:9 screen? |
| [01:50:50] | hoolio: | recorded digital tv and playback of avis etc. |
| [01:51:02] | hoolio: | at 16:9 horizontal is ok |
| [01:51:10] | hoolio: | but there is vertical letterboxing |
| [01:51:18] | wagnerrp: | pillarboxing |
| [01:51:23] | wagnerrp: | meaning the content is 4:3? |
| [01:51:36] | wagnerrp: | letterboxing is black bars on top and bottom |
| [01:51:37] | hoolio: | no, the content is standard digital 16:9 |
| [01:51:43] | hoolio: | yes, that's what i have |
| [01:51:48] | wagnerrp: | pillar boxing is black bars on left and right |
| [01:51:49] | hoolio: | there are no bars on the left or tight |
| [01:52:04] | hoolio: | it just needs to be "taller" |
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| [01:52:29] | wagnerrp: | 16:9 digital content should have no edges |
| [01:52:41] | hoolio: | it used not to, with my old tv |
| [01:52:58] | hoolio: | with no settings changes, on this new tv, even though it is set to display at 16:9 i get letterboxing |
| [01:54:21] | hoolio: | looks like http://km.support.apple.com/library/APPLE/APP . . . 303530_1.jpg |
| [01:55:29] | wagnerrp: | my guess is your display is giving incorrect EDID data |
| [01:55:38] | wagnerrp: | telling X and mythtv it is not 16:9 |
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| [01:55:51] | hoolio: | okay |
| [01:55:58] | wagnerrp: | look into the xorg.conf settings on how to specify display size |
| [01:56:00] | hoolio: | it's connected via VGA if that makes any difference |
| [01:56:28] | hoolio: | okay |
| [01:57:13] | hoolio: | the myth gui is correct, no letterboxing there |
| [01:57:17] | hoolio: | nor at the desktop |
| [01:57:22] | hoolio: | just playback |
| [01:57:37] | wagnerrp: | the myth gui always goes full screen |
| [01:57:47] | wagnerrp: | the video playback attempts to maintain proper aspect ratio |
| [01:57:58] | wagnerrp: | if its getting incorrect information, it will maintain it incorrectly |
| [01:58:03] | hoolio: | okay |
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| [02:02:11] | hoolio: | at the moment i have simply configured myth to use that vertical strech mode |
| [02:02:21] | hoolio: | but it's actually cropping slightly vertically now |
| [02:02:30] | hoolio: | but at least it's permanent |
| [02:02:33] | hoolio: | and it was easy to do |
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| [03:11:37] | [R]: | people sending unsubscribe messages to mailing lists never cease to amaze me |
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| [03:15:28] | wagnerrp: | people sending unsubscribe messages to mailing lists, complete with four thousand lines of the daily digest, never cease to amaze me |
| [03:16:03] | [R]: | lol |
| [03:16:54] | wagnerrp: | i mean that one was far more absurd than most |
| [03:17:02] | wagnerrp: | youre talking about the one from several days ago, right? |
| [03:17:14] | wagnerrp: | there hasnt been another one? |
| [03:17:26] | wagnerrp: | f--! |
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| [03:17:29] | wagnerrp: | there was another one! |
| [03:17:52] | wagnerrp: | and he did almost the same god da-- thing! |
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| [03:19:01] | [R]: | LOL |
| [03:19:04] | [R]: | i thought you were talking about the one today |
| [03:19:07] | [R]: | when you said about the digest |
| [03:19:33] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /321352.html |
| [03:20:12] | [R]: | oh yeah, i remembe that one |
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| [04:06:34] | shawnboy: | MythTV noob here. Just got HDHomerun. I don't need to install mythtv on every frontend do I? |
| [04:06:53] | wagnerrp: | erm... the frontend is mythtv |
| [04:07:08] | wagnerrp: | mythfrontend, mythbackend, its all one big package |
| [04:07:53] | shawnboy: | I thought I had to install mythtv on one "server" to be able to record and stuff, but then I could play TV on any pc with any OS & my PS3. |
| [04:09:10] | shawnboy: | I find lots of tutorials on installing, but none so far on actually using around the house. |
| [04:10:01] | wagnerrp: | mythbackend records |
| [04:10:16] | wagnerrp: | mythbackend does have a UPNP server that can be used with UPNP compatible devices |
| [04:10:44] | wagnerrp: | such as you PS3, windows media player on windows 7, WDTVs, or any other UPNP client |
| [04:10:53] | wagnerrp: | however the UPNP interface is very much limited |
| [04:11:02] | shawnboy: | so the UPNP will be what my PS3 uses. Ubuntu clients will all need mythtv. What about if I want to play something on a Windows pc? |
| [04:11:04] | wagnerrp: | the proper way to run mythtv is to run frontends on PCs |
| [04:11:29] | wagnerrp: | if you want to use mythtv, you can find links for pre-compiled frontends on windows on the wiki |
| [04:11:36] | wagnerrp: | s/mythtv/windows/ |
| [04:12:00] | shawnboy: | so if I want to play on any pc, i must have mythtv installed. |
| [04:12:08] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/Executive_Overview |
| [04:12:18] | wagnerrp: | read that |
| [04:12:51] | shawnboy: | and on the machines that I don't want to record, just don't configure the same as the backend? I'll read that link, thanks. |
| [04:14:14] | wagnerrp: | correct, you only need to configure the backend on machines you are recording on |
| [04:14:29] | wagnerrp: | once you have one backend and the database configured |
| [04:14:40] | wagnerrp: | you can connect as many frontends to it as your network and disks can handle |
| [04:14:49] | shawnboy: | thanks wagnerrp! |
| [04:15:38] | wagnerrp: | hmm... looks like that page could use a bit of refreshing |
| [04:15:46] | wagnerrp: | seems to have several year old data on hardware needs |
| [04:16:06] | wagnerrp: | machines with 256MB of memory? 802.11b? |
| [04:16:56] | shawnboy: | For backend I have Ubuntu Lucid 10.04 with dualcore 2.2 Ghz. |
| [04:17:21] | wagnerrp: | perfectly capable |
| [04:17:33] | wagnerrp: | make sure to enable the mythbuntu ppa |
| [04:17:36] | shawnboy: | wired gigabit/sec ethernet and 54 WiFi as well. |
| [04:17:45] | wagnerrp: | the package that came with 10.04 is rather aged |
| [04:17:55] | wagnerrp: | gigabit will work fine |
| [04:18:16] | wagnerrp: | wireless is generally fine for one HD playback at a time |
| [04:18:26] | wagnerrp: | but since its a broadcast architecture, its shared bandwidth |
| [04:18:38] | shawnboy: | ok. right now I in middle of installing normal repo of mythtv but still add mythbuntu ppa? |
| [04:19:15] | wagnerrp: | if you are using the stock install of mythtv, thats a pre-release version of 0.23 |
| [04:19:48] | wagnerrp: | the mythbuntu ppa provides updated packages |
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| [04:32:16] | wagnerrp: | huh... smolt is down |
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| [05:04:45] | ** xris kicks the meta data grabber. grab my meta data! ** | |
| [05:05:28] | wagnerrp: | thats what she said |
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| [05:23:44] | xris: | heh |
| [05:24:05] | xris: | I need to figure out what debug flags I need to enable. |
| [05:24:15] | xris: | find out why it's not pulling info |
| [05:24:27] | xris: | and more importantly… stupid fruit fly in my beer! |
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| [05:48:55] | iamlindoro: | xris: I just tested your example file from earlier, metadata grabbing perfectly here |
| [05:49:10] | iamlindoro: | both artwork and textual data |
| [05:49:50] | iamlindoro: | Automated grabber detects multiple matching titles, so I highlight and do a metadata grab, pick from the two curious george series, and it's fine |
| [05:49:59] | iamlindoro: | all as expected |
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| [05:51:04] | iamlindoro: | That's with curious_george.s01e07.buoy_wonder.m4v |
| [05:51:21] | iamlindoro: | Which as wagnerrp mentioned earlier, is a supported file naming format |
| [05:52:47] | ** iamlindoro goes to bed ** | |
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| [05:54:27] | shiggity: | hello |
| [05:56:01] | shiggity: | so I finally have KDE and all that I want running on my SSD here.... MythTV incl... except for one problem: it complains of all my tuners being in use when they're not. I know I've had this problem before, but I forgot how to fix it. If anyone could help I'd be grateful |
| [05:57:34] | [R]: | what does the backend say |
| [05:57:35] | [R]: | in the log |
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| [06:01:04] | shiggity: | it says nothing about tuners and whatnot |
| [06:01:18] | [R]: | there are errors... |
| [06:01:31] | [R]: | what does the backend status page say? |
| [06:01:40] | shiggity: | yeah about not being able to connect to my db, but it connects just fine |
| [06:02:18] | [R]: | lol |
| [06:02:42] | shiggity: | hold on |
| [06:02:49] | shiggity: | it's acting up again >_> |
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| [06:06:24] | xris: | iamlindoro: subdirectory issue? |
| [06:07:04] | xris: | ah, multiple matches. will look for that menu option. there are 40+ files so I was hoping the automated thing would pick it up on its own if I set inetref in the db. |
| [06:08:15] | shiggity: | mythbackend keeps crashing |
| [06:08:18] | shiggity: | GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR |
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| [06:13:32] | shiggity: | my only issue is it claiming that all tuners are in use |
| [06:13:33] | shiggity: | >_> |
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| [07:39:28] | saintdev: | is there a way to prioritize new episodes over reruns? |
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| [07:42:31] | dekarl: | If new episodes and reruns have different flags you could give them a priority boost. Like "+1" is it has the flag "HD". But I don't know if that works (I have not verified it) |
| [07:45:37] | saintdev: | fortunately (or perhaps unfortunately?), they are both HD |
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| [07:51:14] | dekarl: | hmm, you can add a "custom priority" rule, somehow (just browsing code, not finding the list of priority knobs to twist) HD was just an example as that's a knob that I turned to +2 ;) |
| [07:52:07] | saintdev: | you should have turned it to 11... ;) |
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| [07:53:29] | dekarl: | for HD it's (from a mail): Utilities/Setup > Setup > TV Settings > Recording Priorities > Set Recording Priorities / HDTV Recording Priority = 2 |
| [07:54:28] | dekarl: | no, +2 is plenty... my HD Channels have Priority -1 and Programmes actually in HD +2... which works like a charm with the SD/HD simulcast we have over here. Only record in HD if it's broadcast in HD. (our schedules get updated to have the correct HD flag quite accurately) |
| [07:55:12] | saintdev: | dekarl: it was a joke :/ |
| [07:55:32] | dekarl: | oops (not a native speaker) |
| [07:57:40] | laga_: | dekarl: watch "spinal tap" |
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| [08:36:27] | justinh: | laga_: the volume control on the BBC iPlayer goes up to 11 :-) |
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| [08:40:58] | justinh: | gah. my dyndns account had expired |
| [08:42:50] | saintdev: | justinh: :D |
| [08:44:52] | justinh: | arghh and they've done away with the homelinux.com bit I used to like |
| [08:45:09] | justinh: | looks like free dynamic dns services are being ever more marginalised |
| [08:46:11] | saintdev: | i've always used homeip.net |
| [08:46:44] | saintdev: | it's 3 letters shorter ;) |
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| [09:05:58] | justinh: | and that's ddclient configured properly this time.. might stop my account expiring in future |
| [09:06:06] | justinh: | or I could just.. PAY. LOL |
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| [12:44:48] | GreyFoxx: | Is it sad that I don't want to reboot this? : 09:43:45 up 1989 days, 5:49, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 |
| [12:51:33] | justinh: | heh. nope |
| [12:52:13] | justinh: | I had close to a year's uptime on my backend – longest I've ever had – but I had to bring it down to service the fans & upgrade a HDD |
| [12:52:39] | justinh: | I think I might invest in a fancy 5-bay sata aby thingy |
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| [12:56:46] | wagnerrp: | apparently in discussion about all that CERN neutrino stuff |
| [12:57:10] | justinh: | oo nice my case will support something taking up 3x 5.25 bays :-) |
| [12:57:21] | wagnerrp: | an italian minister claimed italy helped fund construction of an underground tunnel between CERN and the italian detection point |
| [13:00:23] | justinh: | so what.. he's angling for charging a toll now? |
| [13:04:03] | wagnerrp: | apparently shes using it to get press, talking about how great it is weve found FTL particles |
| [13:04:35] | wagnerrp: | nevermind that we've found no such thing, we've found an interesting anomaly in the data we're not sure how to explain |
| [13:05:37] | wagnerrp: | plus the fact that if true, would overturn a century of physics |
| [13:06:02] | justinh: | heh just a bit |
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| [13:10:56] | justinh: | well it's either an anomaly in the data, or the sensing.. I struggle to understand how the hell they can detect such small particles with any degree of reliability anyway |
| [13:13:42] | wagnerrp: | well they dont |
| [13:14:02] | wagnerrp: | theres quintillions of particles being directed at the detector |
| [13:14:08] | wagnerrp: | and theyre detecting hundreds |
| [13:14:17] | justinh: | ah |
| [13:14:34] | wagnerrp: | basically, you have a big vat of completely pure water |
| [13:14:38] | justinh: | the way all the layman's terms stuff I've seen paints it, there are single particles going round |
| [13:14:56] | wagnerrp: | if nutrinos interact with any water, the water molecule is energized |
| [13:15:12] | wagnerrp: | and then give off a photon to drop energy state |
| [13:15:16] | wagnerrp: | the photon is detected |
| [13:15:44] | justinh: | duh yeah I forgot about that stuff. they've been known to use dry-cleaning fluid too |
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| [13:23:01] | seeker: | Problem with neutrinos is that the lack of charge means they don't interact with things easily |
| [13:23:28] | seeker: | And they are so small the chance of hitting an electron / nucleus is tiny |
| [13:24:52] | wagnerrp: | well that, and they apparently travel faster than light through magic tunnels dug 750mi between CERN and central italy |
| [13:25:35] | seeker: | And the point of what they have released is they have tried to take in to account the systemic/experimental error, and the sum of the two is still less than the time by which they arrived early |
| [13:26:36] | seeker: | So even if the equipment and measurement was as optimistic as possible, the particles still went FTL which is why they want another lab to verify it |
| [13:28:33] | wagnerrp: | i realize theyve done their due diligence trying to confirm they didnt screw up the test |
| [13:29:29] | wagnerrp: | but a century of theoretical and experimental work says the current model works out |
| [13:29:41] | wagnerrp: | good odds say something other than FTL travel is taking place here |
| [13:30:08] | justinh: | italian worm-hole. hold the front page |
| [13:30:18] | seeker: | The century of work doesn't mean it can't happen |
| [13:30:37] | wagnerrp: | cant? certainly not |
| [13:30:51] | seeker: | It just means we hadn't encountered the edge cases that break the current model |
| [13:30:53] | wagnerrp: | scientific theories have been overturned after much longer periods |
| [13:31:29] | seeker: | The length of time something hasn't been overturned for has no bearing on how likely it is to be overturned |
| [13:31:50] | wagnerrp: | but coming out and saying matter-of-factly "this is what happened" is just a bit quick |
| [13:32:15] | wagnerrp: | sure it does |
| [13:32:29] | wagnerrp: | the more amount of time people are testing it and doing various experiments |
| [13:32:40] | wagnerrp: | the larger the chance someone will come across such an anomaly |
| [13:32:50] | k-man: | also, one scientist I heard discussing it put it in terms like this, newtonian physcics still stands for most things, its only a small area of physics where you require a different model. this ftl nutrino thing could be like that he said |
| [13:33:04] | seeker: | I dont think that any of the scientists have said anything of the sort. They are trying as hard as they can to work out why they got the result they did |
| [13:33:16] | seeker: | wagnerrp: Only if they are doing the right experiment |
| [13:33:31] | k-man: | seeker, was that directed at what I said? |
| [13:33:42] | wagnerrp: | seeker: no, the scientists are doing things as they should, releasing their evidence, asking for possible explanations |
| [13:33:55] | seeker: | No, nothing directed at you yet :P |
| [13:34:02] | k-man: | hehe |
| [13:34:03] | justinh: | yeah it's everybody else trying to jump to conclusions before the jury comes back |
| [13:34:10] | wagnerrp: | the politician came out and talked about it as fact as she wanted to use the publicity for her own gains |
| [13:35:18] | wagnerrp: | and in the process, claimed they had built a tunnel between the two complexes, and just made herself look like a fool in general |
| [13:35:22] | k-man: | I wonder if the scientists agnoised over releasing this info – I'm sure they must have been really wracking their brains to work out what in the hell could be going on |
| [13:35:47] | seeker: | k-man: I suspect they only released it when they really hit a brick wall |
| [13:36:18] | wagnerrp: | k-man: yes, the research is covering several years of work where they tested, retested, tested some more, tested again, took a break, did more testing... |
| [13:36:35] | wagnerrp: | each time with the same result |
| [13:36:36] | k-man: | wagnerrp, ah right, interesting |
| [13:36:57] | wagnerrp: | which is why the rest of the community is actually taking the claim seriously |
| [13:37:02] | wagnerrp: | rather than outright discounting it |
| [13:37:28] | seeker: | Heard a theory that an experiment at CErn "broke" space, allowing the neutrinos to take a shortcut that isn't open anywhere else |
| [13:37:28] | wagnerrp: | they did their due diligence, trying to find problems in their measurements or methodology |
| [13:37:47] | wagnerrp: | well it is a black hole machine after all... |
| [13:37:47] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [13:38:57] | justinh: | ahh.. good article here http://mad4science.wordpress.com/tag/lhc/ |
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| [13:46:38] | k-man: | justinh, yeah thanks |
| [13:47:30] | justinh: | I seem to be learning & forgetting stuff all the time these days |
| [13:47:30] | k-man: | seeker, that doesn't sound right as they apparantly have repeated the experiment and got the same results each time |
| [13:48:57] | seeker: | k-man: What if the breaking took place a long time ago :P |
| [13:49:19] | seeker: | I.e before the first of this set of experiments |
| [13:49:20] | ** justinh blames The Doctor ** | |
| [13:49:40] | justinh: | I'd blame Sarah Jane Smith, but she dead |
| [13:50:00] | justinh: | bah. span.com is down |
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| [13:56:21] | justinh: | anybody here use something like this fella? http://www.amazon.co.uk/Icy-IB-555SSK-Dual-Ch . . . /B002BLZ8TO/ |
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| [14:18:14] | jams: | justinh- yeah they are sitting in the closet, but when i did use them they were OK |
| [14:18:22] | jams: | also made by icydock |
| [14:19:27] | justinh: | thanks jams. I'll keep em in mind for a future purchase. Should make HDD swapping much more pleasant |
| [14:19:36] | jams: | that it did |
| [14:19:43] | justinh: | especially where my myth backend is concerned, living in the cupboard under the stairs |
| [14:19:56] | justinh: | horizontally mounted, ona rack shelf.. it's a PITA to take out |
| [14:20:36] | jams: | i used them for homemade NAS, but eventually purchased some pre-fab dedicated NAS. only reason i stopped using them |
| [14:21:07] | JEDIDIAH__: | a backplane like that won't fit in most cases. a 4x3 or 3x2 backplane will though. |
| [14:21:14] | jams: | keep in mind the space you have..they can be rather deep. |
| [14:22:59] | jams: | mine barely fit. SATA was right up against the power supply |
| [14:23:16] | justinh: | really need 5x or I might aswell just use an external enclosure |
| [14:24:05] | justinh: | wonder how deep that one is compared to an optical drive |
| [14:25:21] | JEDIDIAH__: | most cases have little metal nubs between the drive bays. Those get in the way of the 5x3 backplanes |
| [14:25:34] | justinh: | easily remedied :-) |
| [14:26:26] | JEDIDIAH__: | or you could just use more than one backplane. |
| [14:26:27] | justinh: | oo, that icybox thing is actually slimmer than the sony dvd writer I got in the case |
| [14:27:10] | justinh: | in that box it's actually the 'proper' drive bays where the HDDs are in danger of fouling the mainboard |
| [14:27:30] | justinh: | to fit the last HDD I had to pull all the sata connectors out of the board |
| [14:27:46] | justinh: | er.. cables. lol. not connectors |
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| [15:09:44] | Shiggs|MB: | gah no matter what I do I can't get MythTV Frontend to allow me to enter LiveTV. My MythBackend log always say the same thing, that it can't connect to the db, but it surely can, otherwise the frontend wouldn't launch properly. |
| [15:10:07] | shawnboy: | I'm trying to use a remote frontend for 1st time, but it says it can't connect to master backend server. I've looked at wiki & guide. Suggestions? |
| [15:10:18] | Shiggs|MB: | it's giving me the all tuners in use but no recordings issue, and I don't have anything set to 'localhost' or '127.0.0.1' |
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| [15:14:03] | Shiggs|MB: | anyone? |
| [15:15:14] | shawnboy: | Shiggs|MB: wish i could help but I'm sure i know less than you. |
| [15:15:28] | Shiggs|MB: | would I need to put my config.xml into /etc/mysql? |
| [15:15:37] | Shiggs|MB: | shawnboy: thanks for the thought :) |
| [15:16:24] | Hoochster: | did you add to your database to allow remote connections? http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.1 |
| [15:16:39] | Shiggs|MB: | Hoochster: that for me or shawnboy ? |
| [15:16:50] | Hoochster: | you |
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| [15:17:09] | Shiggs|MB: | yeah it's setup properly though I'll do it again |
| [15:17:29] | Hoochster: | also if you aren't seeing the connection attempt in your backend log then you need to make sure on the frontend that in the /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt that you have the database server and password information in there |
| [15:17:49] | Shiggs|MB: | ok |
| [15:18:16] | Shiggs|MB: | I've had this working before.. but then I reinstalled my distro of choice (Funtoo/Gentoo) onto an SSD and I've not gotten it working smoothly since. |
| [15:18:42] | Hoochster: | if nothing changed on the backend then most likely it is ok, but your frontend needs to know how to access the database |
| [15:18:58] | Hoochster: | check the /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt assuming that is where yours is, possibly if not, ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [15:19:27] | Shiggs|MB: | yeah it's in both now |
| [15:19:49] | Shiggs|MB: | as well as in /home/mythtv/.mythtv |
| [15:21:25] | Hoochster: | in both now, but was it there before? the database IP, and login info? |
| [15:21:30] | Shiggs|MB: | ok so I appended though database permissions.... I also flushed all hosts to be sure |
| [15:21:50] | Shiggs|MB: | oh no... mysql.txt is in ~/.mythtv as well as in /etc/mythtv |
| [15:22:04] | Shiggs|MB: | should config.xml go into /etc/mythtv as well? |
| [15:22:38] | Hoochster: | I have it in mine, so probably so |
| [15:23:06] | Hoochster: | and do you have a pin set on your backend? if so that pin has to be set on the frontend |
| [15:23:31] | Shiggs|MB: | yeah I have a pin on the front end |
| [15:23:44] | Shiggs|MB: | how do I know if I have one on the BE? |
| [15:24:12] | Shiggs|MB: | nope same issue... just tried it after dropping those files into place |
| [15:24:33] | Hoochster: | you would have to look at the database or run mythtv-setup and look in General |
| [15:24:40] | Hoochster: | see if the pin is something besides 0000 |
| [15:24:47] | Hoochster: | if so then you need to add that on your frontend |
| [15:24:58] | Shiggs|MB: | well I now the FE's PIN is indeed 0000 |
| [15:25:01] | Shiggs|MB: | dunno about the backend |
| [15:25:07] | Shiggs|MB: | know* |
| [15:25:39] | Shiggs|MB: | oh crap wait a min |
| [15:25:44] | Shiggs|MB: | yeah the backend's PIN is 0000 |
| [15:26:31] | Hoochster: | so in the backend log when you try and access system information or something from the frontend does it show the connection at all? |
| [15:26:42] | Shiggs|MB: | Damn.. I set the PIN in the Frontend finally but I still get the tuners in use issue |
| [15:26:47] | Shiggs|MB: | yeah it connects fine |
| [15:26:59] | Shiggs|MB: | no DB errors on FE launch at all |
| [15:27:22] | Hoochster: | but you see the particular frontend make the connection in the log |
| [15:27:51] | Shiggs|MB: | yeah it's all "Connected to database ShiggsTV on 192.168.25.129" |
| [15:28:17] | Shiggs|MB: | erm backend server |
| [15:28:18] | Shiggs|MB: | not database |
| [15:28:33] | Shiggs|MB: | heh yeah the db too actually |
| [15:28:33] | Shiggs|MB: | sorry |
| [15:29:17] | Shiggs|MB: | I've removed/readded my capture cards and video source a few times now... >_> |
| [15:29:25] | Hoochster: | do you have MythWeb setup? |
| [15:29:29] | Shiggs|MB: | no |
| [15:29:41] | Shiggs|MB: | would you be able to access my setup if it was? |
| [15:29:43] | Hoochster: | have a frontend on your backend? |
| [15:29:58] | Shiggs|MB: | ya I have it all setup |
| [15:29:59] | Hoochster: | I was just gonna suggest not even trying to connect your frontend up and see if mythweb showed the tuners status |
| [15:30:02] | Shiggs|MB: | just the tuners are being retaerded |
| [15:30:08] | Hoochster: | and the backend's frontend works fine? |
| [15:30:08] | Shiggs|MB: | ok |
| [15:30:14] | Shiggs|MB: | seems so |
| [15:30:27] | Hoochster: | only have an issue when trying to access from a remote frontend then |
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| [15:31:02] | Shiggs|MB: | no... I'm trying to connect from the same machine as what the backend is running on |
| [15:31:09] | Shiggs|MB: | lemme test |
| [15:31:17] | Hoochster: | then it isn't a remote frontend |
| [15:32:05] | Shiggs|MB: | indeed not |
| [15:32:16] | Shiggs|MB: | I just tried using my laptop here, and I get the same issue |
| [15:32:32] | Hoochster: | so the database stuff we covered has nothing to do with it. So the backend system is the one you redid then |
| [15:32:40] | Shiggs|MB: | the config.xml can't be opened for writing for some reason is the only error I see |
| [15:33:27] | Hoochster: | what kind of tuners are these? |
| [15:33:34] | Shiggs|MB: | HDHomeRun |
| [15:33:47] | Shiggs|MB: | using Broadcast signal |
| [15:34:30] | Hoochster: | are you using the HDHR Id's for the tuners or trying IP? |
| [15:34:39] | Shiggs|MB: | their IDs |
| [15:35:16] | Hoochster: | and you have the latest firmware on the HDHR? |
| [15:35:20] | Shiggs|MB: | as they're automatically detected |
| [15:35:20] | Shiggs|MB: | yeah |
| [15:35:39] | Shiggs|MB: | there is newer fw, but it's for the HDHR Prime, and nothing else |
| [15:35:51] | Shiggs|MB: | the Prime is cable card version which I can't afford yet |
| [15:35:54] | Shiggs|MB: | that and cable |
| [15:37:40] | Hoochster: | I use the prime but only for Cable Card |
| [15:37:52] | Shiggs|MB: | cool |
| [15:37:54] | Hoochster: | so for the 3rd tuner you manually added it to the database with a -2 at the end? |
| [15:38:19] | Shiggs|MB: | I only have two tuners total |
| [15:38:35] | Hoochster: | and the channels since you aren't using cable card, are scanning with something like Cable High IRC? |
| [15:38:45] | Hoochster: | ohh you are saying that you aren't using a prime ok |
| [15:38:52] | Hoochster: | but still the firmware is for all HDHR devices |
| [15:38:59] | Hoochster: | if you are on old fw you need to be current |
| [15:39:36] | Shiggs|MB: | ya |
| [15:39:40] | Shiggs|MB: | well |
| [15:39:53] | Shiggs|MB: | the devs for the HDHR say that unless I have a Prime it's pointless to upgrade |
| [15:40:03] | Shiggs|MB: | unless there was an upgrade for the nonPrimes |
| [15:40:10] | Hoochster: | don't know for fact all cable providers are the same, just know from my personal experience, my original HDHR's I had to scan with Cable High IRC for channels to come in properly |
| [15:40:32] | Hoochster: | I have always been told to be on current firmware regardless, but don't know I am not the developer |
| [15:40:32] | Shiggs|MB: | ...I'm using an antenna |
| [15:40:37] | Shiggs|MB: | HDTV OTA |
| [15:40:41] | Shiggs|MB: | hence Broadcat |
| [15:40:44] | Hoochster: | ok |
| [15:40:48] | Shiggs|MB: | Broadcast* |
| [15:40:51] | Hoochster: | and the scan finds everything fine? |
| [15:40:53] | Shiggs|MB: | yup |
| [15:41:01] | Hoochster: | and when you access the hdhr from its own utility it works fine? |
| [15:41:02] | Shiggs|MB: | it finds what it can find |
| [15:41:04] | Shiggs|MB: | yep |
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| [15:42:12] | Hoochster: | being as it don't seem like you have anything on there anyways, I would drop your database, re-import the tables and redo your backend setup, something sounds like it is hosed in the setup then. if you haven't got it working since you redid the entire system, unless one of the other devs here has a better idea |
| [15:42:52] | Shiggs|MB: | yeah I've done that before, but ok |
| [15:42:54] | Shiggs|MB: | I'll do it again >_> |
| [15:43:02] | Shiggs|MB: | should I delete my .mythtv dirs too? |
| [15:43:07] | Hoochster: | entirely up to you, honestly the hdhr process is real simple |
| [15:43:19] | Hoochster: | if you have tried already no sense doing it again |
| [15:43:33] | Hoochster: | might just have to wait for someone that knows more of the ins and outs to be available and rack their brain |
| [15:43:57] | Hoochster: | there should be something in the logs though you might need to manually run the backend and frontend with more verbose to get more info on what is failing or what is tying the tuners up |
| [15:44:34] | Hoochster: | you can access the web page of the backend directly and show if it is recording something or doing something with the tuners |
| [15:45:19] | Hoochster: | http://ip.of.backend:6544 if you didn't change the port |
| [15:45:24] | Hoochster: | that should show the status of the tuners |
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| [15:47:43] | Hoochster: | why do you have multiple references to the same tuners? |
| [15:47:47] | Hoochster: | should only have 1 of each |
| [15:47:58] | Shiggs|MB: | hm |
| [15:48:18] | Hoochster: | you have 2 -0's and 2 -1's of the same id |
| [15:48:27] | Shiggs|MB: | do I? |
| [15:48:31] | Shiggs|MB: | O_o |
| [15:48:31] | Hoochster: | actually I know why |
| [15:48:47] | Hoochster: | you didn't set the virtual recording tuners to 1 |
| [15:48:56] | Shiggs|MB: | how do I Do that |
| [15:48:57] | Shiggs|MB: | ?! |
| [15:48:58] | Shiggs|MB: | :) |
| [15:49:19] | Hoochster: | I would go back into mythtv-setup and under the capture devices select Recording I believe it is and change the number of virtual tuners or whatver that number is from 2 to 1 |
| [15:49:50] | Shiggs|MB: | max recordings? |
| [15:49:54] | Hoochster: | yes |
| [15:50:06] | Hoochster: | needs to be 1, the HDHR can only handle 1 recording per tuner |
| [15:50:47] | Shiggs|MB: | new PM arrive |
| [15:50:48] | Shiggs|MB: | d |
| [15:51:25] | Shiggs|MB: | same error |
| [15:51:52] | Hoochster: | if it were me heh, I would go back into setup, delete all tuners, add each one back in, but when you add them go into the recording settings and change max recordings to 1, then go into your inputs of course and add your sources |
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| [15:53:26] | Shiggs|MB: | use quick tuning? |
| [15:53:35] | Hoochster: | I don't |
| [15:53:41] | Hoochster: | but I don't think it truly matters |
| [15:53:53] | Shiggs|MB: | input group? |
| [15:53:55] | Shiggs|MB: | leave on generic? |
| [15:53:57] | Hoochster: | defaults |
| [15:54:02] | Shiggs|MB: | k |
| [15:54:38] | Hoochster: | so your status should just show the 2 tuners when done |
| [15:54:55] | Shiggs|MB: | how's that |
| [15:54:57] | Shiggs|MB: | in the PM |
| [15:55:00] | Hoochster: | so I assume you didn't call it something? |
| [15:55:26] | Shiggs|MB: | I called Tuner 1 'Tuner1' and Tuner 0 'Tuner0' |
| [15:55:30] | Shiggs|MB: | would that cause issues? |
| [15:55:35] | Hoochster: | should look like it did before with HDHOMERUN: tuner id-0 and -1 |
| [15:55:49] | Hoochster: | no those names should be fine, but don't look like it added right |
| [15:57:42] | Shiggs|MB: | ok readded |
| [15:58:23] | Hoochster: | don't know what is going on, still not adding your tuners properly |
| [15:58:38] | Hoochster: | you might need to wax that database like I said earlier and start over, something is corrupted it seems |
| [15:58:41] | Hoochster: | shouldn't show unknown |
| [15:59:11] | Hoochster: | should show HDHOMERUN: XXXXXXXXX-0 and -1 |
| [15:59:14] | Shiggs|MB: | yeah |
| [15:59:16] | Shiggs|MB: | doing that now |
| [15:59:46] | Hoochster: | I gotta run out for a few, I'll be back in a bit, but get it looking like that with Max Recordings being 1 on each tuner, so you should end up with 2 tuners with those names idle |
| [15:59:50] | Hoochster: | and then try your frontend |
| [16:00:04] | Shiggs|MB: | k |
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| [16:10:25] | Shiggs|MB: | lol owned |
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| [16:17:25] | Hoochster: | any progress Shiggs|MB? |
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| [16:25:29] | Shiggs|MB: | well since I redid my db I can't connect to the status oprt |
| [16:25:30] | Shiggs|MB: | port* |
| [16:25:36] | Shiggs|MB: | it's really annoying me |
| [16:25:43] | Hoochster: | the backend is running? |
| [16:25:46] | Shiggs|MB: | I'm recompiling mysql |
| [16:25:48] | Shiggs|MB: | ya |
| [16:26:52] | Shiggs|MB: | I can check the Tuner Status from within the Frontend and it says 'Tuner 1 is not recording' and 'Tuner 3 is not recording' yet when I try live TV it complains of the opposite |
| [16:27:14] | Hoochster: | but the tuners show up properly now? |
| [16:27:29] | Hoochster: | hdhomerun: deviceid-0 |
| [16:27:31] | Shiggs|MB: | no I can't access that page for some odd reason |
| [16:27:39] | Hoochster: | thought it showed that via frontend status too |
| [16:27:47] | Hoochster: | but can't attest to that for sure |
| [16:28:43] | Hoochster: | actually just looking at the status just says tuner # but if you arrow down to highlight a particular tuner it should show name etc |
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| [16:36:19] | Shiggs|MB: | yeah |
| [16:37:04] | Shiggs|MB: | should I have IP address binding on? |
| [16:40:38] | Shiggs|MB: | Hoochster: |
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| [16:49:28] | Shiggs|MB: | Hoochster: |
| [16:49:29] | Shiggs|MB: | Hoochster: |
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| [17:05:15] | Shiggs|MB: | davide_: ! |
| [17:05:21] | Shiggs|MB: | may I have a moment of your time? |
| [17:06:49] | Shiggs|MB: | ... |
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| [17:24:25] | Shiggs|MB: | Can someone with MythTV working tell me their settings VERBATIM ? |
| [17:25:17] | Beirdo: | wow. People actually replied to the request for information on the tickets... |
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| [17:25:31] | Shiggs|MB: | Beirdo: would you be able to help me? |
| [17:25:38] | Beirdo: | depends |
| [17:25:39] | Shiggs|MB: | my MythTV is complaining of tuners in use when they're not |
| [17:26:15] | Shiggs|MB: | I'm running the Gentoo Git ebuild build |
| [17:27:12] | Beirdo: | can't say I've ever seen it do that |
| [17:27:19] | Shiggs|MB: | O.o;; |
| [17:27:28] | Shiggs|MB: | May I have your settings then? |
| [17:27:36] | Shiggs|MB: | I can adjust them to my on |
| [17:27:38] | Shiggs|MB: | own* |
| [17:27:53] | Beirdo: | what settings? |
| [17:27:59] | Shiggs|MB: | for MythTV |
| [17:28:38] | Beirdo: | I'm not going to go dump the settings table in my database, it's too large, and very little of it would be of use anyways |
| [17:29:03] | Shiggs|MB: | I meant like your frontend settings etc |
| [17:29:06] | Beirdo: | what you could try is going into mythtv-setup, removing all cards (there's a way to do it all at once), and put them back in |
| [17:29:12] | Shiggs|MB: | I've done that many times |
| [17:29:13] | Shiggs|MB: | >_> |
| [17:33:08] | iamlindoro: | Tuners being in use when they're not means you haven't completed setup properly |
| [17:33:26] | iamlindoro: | meaning you have not set up the tuners, then set up a working video source, then connected it to inputs |
| [17:33:35] | iamlindoro: | You've missed some step therein |
| [17:33:40] | Shiggs|MB: | yeah |
| [17:33:50] | Shiggs|MB: | I've had it working before but then I reinstalled on an SSD |
| [17:33:52] | Shiggs|MB: | sooo >_> |
| [17:34:56] | Shiggs|MB: | I've dumped and recreated at least 3 DBs |
| [17:34:56] | Shiggs|MB: | >_> |
| [17:36:00] | Shiggs|MB: | ok iamlindoro I'll delete my tuners |
| [17:36:47] | wagnerrp: | the error you are seeing typically has to do with file permissions |
| [17:36:52] | wagnerrp: | the backend cannot access the tuners |
| [17:36:59] | wagnerrp: | or cannot access the storage paths to record to |
| [17:37:06] | wagnerrp: | deleting the tuners will make no difference |
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| [17:37:28] | wagnerrp: | if you are using the init scripts to start mythbackend, this should all be taken care of for you |
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| [17:37:45] | wagnerrp: | if you are running it under your own user account, you likely are not in the 'video' group to access the tuner cards |
| [17:38:00] | iamlindoro: | That said, the "all tuners in use" when they're not *is* to do with properly setting up mythv |
| [17:38:04] | iamlindoro: | let's not conflate issues |
| [17:38:32] | Shiggs|MB: | ok |
| [17:39:02] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: ive only see that warning when ive ignored the closing message in mythtv-setup that tells me the storage paths are not writable |
| [17:39:12] | wagnerrp: | (or when my recording disks arent mounted) |
| [17:39:26] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: You can get that message any time steps 2–5 of mythtv-setup aren't completed properly |
| [17:39:37] | iamlindoro: | most often when a video source isn't attached to an input |
| [17:40:09] | iamlindoro: | Because the backend won't init the tuners and make them available, thus all tuners are in use... because there are 0 of them |
| [17:40:38] | iamlindoro: | Of course, the logs would be a lot more helpful than hours and hours of guessing |
| [17:40:56] | wagnerrp: | ah, i figured most of that would be handled by the sanity check in the scheduler, and the backend would bail completely |
| [17:41:21] | iamlindoro: | If the tuner exists, even if it's jacked up, the BE will start |
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| [17:49:38] | Shiggs|MB: | iamlindoro: well in the FE's status page of the tuners it says that none of them are recording |
| [17:49:49] | Shiggs|MB: | the logs show no errors |
| [17:49:58] | iamlindoro: | Don't tell us what the logs says |
| [17:50:00] | iamlindoro: | post the log |
| [17:50:03] | iamlindoro: | And let us decide |
| [17:50:15] | iamlindoro: | Backend log, from backend startup |
| [17:52:47] | Shiggs|MB: | I found something curious from the setup console output |
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| [17:53:33] | ** iamlindoro wonders why he can't just get the logs he's asking for ** | |
| [17:54:13] | Shiggs|MB: | You will, but I found something that might be causing my problem |
| [17:54:15] | Shiggs|MB: | hold on |
| [17:58:18] | Shiggs|MB: | why can't my other nick type? >_< |
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| [18:00:27] | Shiggity: | testig |
| [18:00:28] | Shiggity: | k |
| [18:00:42] | Shiggity: | http://pastebin.com/jbR0beFs take a look at that |
| [18:00:45] | Shiggity: | at the bottom |
| [18:02:13] | Shiggity: | and here's the backend log |
| [18:02:15] | Shiggity: | http://pastebin.com/WXhdHYY7 |
| [18:04:18] | Shiggs|MB: | ok nvm misread that end of the frontend log |
| [18:06:04] | Shiggs|MB: | iamlindoro: |
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| [18:24:48] | justinh: | Shiggs|MB: probably the 'mythtv' part of the nick :P |
| [18:25:00] | Shiggs|MB: | ... |
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| [18:42:57] | ** Beirdo yawns ** | |
| [18:43:11] | Beirdo: | why do Monday mornings just keep happening? |
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| [19:18:00] | Hoochster: | it's a consipiracy Beirdo |
| [19:18:13] | Hoochster: | one would think in all these years they would find a way of skipping Mondays |
| [19:18:42] | Beirdo: | you'd think :) |
| [19:19:15] | Hoochster: | we got some really screwed up inventors is all I can say |
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| [19:22:43] | wagnerrp: | Hoochster: but then people would just have a case of the tuesdays |
| [19:23:02] | Hoochster: | indeed, it does seem to follow anytime there is a holiday. It is like a virus |
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| [20:11:21] | wagnerrp: | why the hell are warpme's PXE images 104MB large!? |
| [20:12:05] | justinh: | hahahaha |
| [20:12:27] | justinh: | maybe he wrapped the kernel source up with the binaries |
| [20:13:05] | wagnerrp: | and _all_ the driver modules available in the kernel source |
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| [20:24:54] | Captain_Murdoch: | he could be PXE booting the whole OS into a ramdisk. |
| [20:25:49] | wagnerrp: | but then that would be at most the root partition |
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| [20:26:10] | wagnerrp: | even the minimyth installs dont claim to get that small |
| [20:30:17] | Captain_Murdoch: | wouldn't take a whole lot to get to that point even for just a normal boot-only ramdisk. the Fedora 14 one I built with dracut is over 18MB. perhaps his isn't compressed. mine would be 43MB uncompressed. |
| [20:32:09] | wagnerrp: | well... if you were having trouble loading your 104MB uncompressed image over tftp |
| [20:32:20] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: the you should be using http. :P |
| [20:32:22] | wagnerrp: | would you transition to gpxe and html downloads? or would you just compress it? |
| [20:32:32] | AndyCap: | html? ho-hum |
| [20:32:35] | wagnerrp: | seems like the latter would be much easier |
| [20:32:51] | AndyCap: | I'd say both for double amount of win |
| [20:33:16] | wagnerrp: | seems my initrd is 8.1MB uncompressed |
| [20:33:34] | wagnerrp: | and compressed, added with the kernel, im a bit south of 6MB |
| [20:33:51] | AndyCap: | 142M riplinux/rootfs.cgz |
| [20:34:09] | AndyCap: | of course that's not for everyday use |
| [20:34:18] | wagnerrp: | what is that? |
| [20:34:25] | AndyCap: | the kitchen sink |
| [20:34:44] | AndyCap: | but very handy http://rip.7bf.de/current/RIPLinuX-13.5.readme |
| [20:35:00] | wagnerrp: | ah, data recovery distro |
| [20:35:03] | AndyCap: | I guess the changelog is a better reflection http://rip.7bf.de/current/Changelog |
| [20:35:18] | AndyCap: | firefox and some other stuff as well |
| [20:35:27] | wagnerrp: | but then its like Captain_Murdoch suggested, the entire bootable linux system loaded into memory |
| [20:35:31] | AndyCap: | mm |
| [20:36:02] | wagnerrp: | IMHO... if tftp was taking too long for that |
| [20:36:15] | AndyCap: | bzip2 -9 + http |
| [20:36:29] | wagnerrp: | make a ~5MB tftp image, have it create a ramdisk, and wget the rootfs off an http server into it |
| [20:36:37] | ** AndyCap goes to check how the ipxe/gpxe war is going ** | |
| [20:37:37] | wagnerrp: | IMHO, the only reason to run gpxe and do http boots is if youre going to burn gpxe straight into the eeprom, and do away with tftp all together |
| [20:37:39] | AndyCap: | actually seeing a server with gpxe made my year btw. |
| [20:38:14] | wagnerrp: | combine it with a unique key burned into each eeprom, and use it for secure network booting |
| [20:38:37] | AndyCap: | as in gpxe in rom out of the box. ;) |
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| [20:49:04] | wagnerrp: | AndyCap: to be honest, the only use i personally would have for gpxe would be as a cheap alternative to the hardware iscsi HBA cards |
| [20:50:25] | wagnerrp: | they dont make cheap ones of those |
| [20:50:36] | wagnerrp: | they all have a storage controller, with a good chunk of memory cache |
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| [20:54:53] | Captain_Murdoch: | I switched to gpxe to get a couple of my dual-boot frontends running with Linux/nfsroot and Windows/AOE |
| [21:01:09] | AndyCap: | Captain_Murdoch: why did you go for AOE instead of iscsi? |
| [21:01:13] | xris: | iamlindoro: any more suggestions about that meta data stuff? |
| [21:01:25] | xris: | I have some verbose logs if that helps |
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| [21:12:25] | iamlindoro: | xris: suggestions about what? |
| [21:14:15] | iamlindoro: | Retrieve all details only affects items which have not been marked as processed-- When the bulk grabber cannot decide what something is from title/etc. it marks it as processed and it's up to the user to do a grab of the individual item and provide input as to which title is correct. |
| [21:14:20] | iamlindoro: | (if that's what you mean) |
| [21:14:45] | iamlindoro: | Items are marked as processed to prevent things which will never have a result from being queried over and over and over every scan |
| [21:15:03] | xris: | there were no options beyond that one |
| [21:15:09] | iamlindoro: | no options for what? |
| [21:15:16] | xris: | grabbing info about an individual item |
| [21:15:22] | iamlindoro: | Sure there are |
| [21:15:27] | iamlindoro: | highlight the item, bring up the menu |
| [21:15:37] | iamlindoro: | It's in the details submenu |
| [21:15:47] | xris: | hmm |
| [21:15:54] | xris: | will have to check that. I looked pretty hard and didn't see it. |
| [21:16:05] | iamlindoro: | The item is always present if you have a video selected |
| [21:16:09] | xris: | is there any way to manually (db?) override some of that so that it always knows which one to pick? |
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| [21:16:12] | iamlindoro: | If it's not present, you're in the wrong menu |
| [21:16:16] | iamlindoro: | No |
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| [21:16:34] | iamlindoro: | You could give it an inetref |
| [21:16:39] | xris: | I did |
| [21:16:40] | iamlindoro: | then it will know what to pick |
| [21:16:42] | xris: | it didn't seem to help |
| [21:16:53] | iamlindoro: | you gave it an inetref and didn't run an individual grab |
| [21:16:59] | iamlindoro: | Since you can't find the option |
| [21:17:11] | xris: | ah, but no way to do a bulk grab |
| [21:17:15] | xris: | after inetref |
| [21:17:24] | iamlindoro: | You can unmark it as processed in the menu as well |
| [21:17:33] | iamlindoro: | but if you're in the menu, you might as well just trigger the grab |
| [21:17:34] | xris: | 50+ shows (love those 10-minute kids shows) gets a little tedious |
| [21:17:56] | xris: | thanks. I'll poke around again tonight. |
| [21:17:59] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [21:18:31] | xris: | maybe will try renaming the parent dir to see if that helps it auto-find the correct show, too. though something tells me that won't help in this case. |
| [21:19:00] | iamlindoro: | The parent dir won't help, but the files themselves would |
| [21:19:16] | iamlindoro: | call the files "Curious George (2006) s##e## blah.ext" and it will get it right |
| [21:19:34] | iamlindoro: | (once you move them out, scan, then move them back and rescan) |
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| [21:19:57] | iamlindoro: | That will trigger a bulk update and it will choose the correct one since the title is more specific |
| [21:21:33] | xris: | ok. sounds bulky. heh. |
| [21:21:38] | xris: | is the scanner c++ or py? |
| [21:21:49] | iamlindoro: | C++ |
| [21:22:33] | iamlindoro: | It's not that bulky-- the only alternative is to pick the wrong one half the time or more |
| [21:22:48] | iamlindoro: | If it went by what you named the files, it would have chosen the wrong series |
| [21:23:04] | iamlindoro: | Instead, it detected that there were multiple too-close name matches and left it to you to make that decision |
| [21:23:32] | Captain_Murdoch: | AndyCap, AOE was ease of use, simple vblade daemon running on the server, practically 0 setup. and AOE was secure enough for my simple use case. |
| [21:24:03] | iamlindoro: | Just like if you recorded the show "Life" and named your files that way, there are probably a dozen shows by that name-- it could pick the first one it finds, or it could err on the side of accuracy over automation |
| [21:24:07] | xris: | yeah, was more thinking about what it'd take to look at other content in the same dir to help make its decision. |
| [21:24:27] | xris: | if there are 2 options but all processed files in the dir use #1, then future stuff is probably also #1 |
| [21:25:08] | ** iamlindoro goes back to work ** | |
| [21:25:09] | xris: | or prompt on the question and ask if future similar questions should be made with the same answer |
| [21:25:39] | xris: | but c++ code is too much work for me to mess with to tweak that stuff any time soon. |
| [21:26:26] | wagnerrp: | just like if you recorded the show "Life" and were disappointed when they canceled it after the second season |
| [21:27:26] | xris: | heh |
| [21:27:54] | xris: | was thinking more like the jamu config file that let you hard-code overrides like that. |
| [21:28:17] | xris: | Life was one of those, before I just bought the blu rays and deleted my recorded copies. |
| [21:30:30] | wagnerrp: | that show had quite possibly the most fantastic way of getting rid of the bad guy ive ever seen |
| [21:31:16] | xris: | I was referring to the BBC version. no idea about the one you're talking about. |
| [21:31:25] | xris: | one problem with skipping commercials is that I never learn about new series. heh. |
| [21:31:36] | wagnerrp: | there was a BBC show? |
| [21:31:49] | wagnerrp: | im talking about the NBC one, with the guy from Band of Brothers |
| [21:31:50] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, Aye. Similar to planet earth |
| [21:32:05] | kormoc: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_(BBC_TV_series) |
| [21:32:19] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [21:32:53] | wagnerrp: | the NBC one was first |
| [21:32:54] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [21:35:50] | Beirdo: | Hmmm, interesting. grooveshark.com. Got lots of old songs I haven't heard in years |
| [21:42:44] | Beirdo: | and now my ears are ringing |
| [21:43:58] | xris: | mine do that all the time |
| [21:44:23] | Beirdo: | yeah, mine is generally due to too much loud music. :) |
| [21:44:40] | xris: | wish I could say the same. could at least expect it to stop, then |
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| [22:12:13] | skd5aner: | does mythfilldatabase honor the "time suggested by the grabber" feature for SD regardless of the execution start/end times in setup? |
| [22:12:42] | skd5aner: | I'm finding that some of the crippling I see during playback is due to the excessive load mysql uses when calculating the new schedule |
| [22:13:15] | skd5aner: | I'm wondering if I should disable the suggested times and just put a window |
| [22:14:00] | skd5aner: | btw, SD as in schedules direct |
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| [22:55:28] | mattwj2002: | hi all |
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| [23:21:09] | wagnerrp: | xris: so yours is from loud music too, just from years past |
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| [23:24:36] | JMetcalf: | Hello Team, I was wondering if anyone has used the Happauge Colossus Capture card successfully with Myth... looked in the Wiki but didnt find anything |
| [23:25:04] | wagnerrp: | mythtv runs on linux |
| [23:25:11] | wagnerrp: | the hauppauge colossus does not run on linux |
| [23:25:19] | wagnerrp: | nothing more to it than that |
| [23:27:04] | JMetcalf: | ok thanks ... I guess I will still with the HD PVR for my build thanks for the quick response |
| [23:28:15] | wagnerrp: | if youre looking for something other than usb... there really is no option |
| [23:28:33] | wagnerrp: | if youre just looking to get rid of the external box, several users have broken warranty and mounted HDPVRs inside their case |
| [23:29:02] | JMetcalf: | not really USB doesnt bother me just saw the colosus so was interested... |
| [23:29:46] | wagnerrp: | yeah, the hauppauge guys cannot write drivers themselves due to NDAs regarding the encoder chip used |
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| [23:30:05] | wagnerrp: | and the fact that it is PCIe based makes it significantly more difficult to reverse engineer than the HDPVR was |
| [23:30:36] | JMetcalf: | no bandwidth issues with USB2.0 I take it? |
| [23:31:26] | wagnerrp: | of course there are, usb2.0 sucks |
| [23:32:03] | wagnerrp: | the bus claims 480Mbps total throughput, compared to the 13–14Mbps an HDPVR might see |
| [23:32:19] | wagnerrp: | but if you have multiple devices on the same bus, you very possibly will run into IO contention issues |
| [23:32:40] | wagnerrp: | and for a device like the HDPVR, where if you dont have bandwidth immediately when you need it, you lose data |
| [23:32:46] | wagnerrp: | that can be a very noticeable problem |
| [23:34:02] | JMetcalf: | hmmm... the hardware itself compresses the video... and outputs a 5Mbits/sec video stream, so I am hoping I can get away with 2 of them and a PCIe OTA tuner for a total of 3 sources |
| [23:34:39] | wagnerrp: | the chip peaks out at 13.5Mbps |
| [23:34:50] | wagnerrp: | youre likely to only see 5Mbps on standard definition content |
| [23:36:25] | JMetcalf: | ok... now am I thinking this wrong, my plan is to have a Backend that has the tuners beefed up machine, and then 3 smaller machines connected to TV in the house via Ethernet to pull content from the backend, am I tihnking the Infrastructure correctly? |
| [23:37:01] | wagnerrp: | depends on what you consider smaller |
| [23:37:13] | wagnerrp: | physically smaller, sure, since you dont need the hard drives and tuners |
| [23:37:32] | wagnerrp: | but as far as power... it takes a decent amount to decode the single sliced hdpvr output |
| [23:38:02] | wagnerrp: | for full bitrate content out of an hdpvr, youre looking at an Athlon II or Core 2 somewhere north of 2.5GHz |
| [23:38:04] | JMetcalf: | Small Form Factor Dell Optiplex machines.... Intel Core2Duo with 4GB RAM for the front ends |
| [23:38:25] | wagnerrp: | what speed? |
| [23:38:39] | JMetcalf: | 2.4 Dual Core |
| [23:39:07] | wagnerrp: | should be fine |
| [23:39:28] | wagnerrp: | if you do run into problems, you can go into the recording profiles and drop the bitrate a bit |
| [23:39:43] | wagnerrp: | you wont have any issues with the ATSC content |
| [23:42:19] | JMetcalf: | great, thanks for your help answered a lot of questions... Ill let you know how it goes, excited to start building ! |
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| [23:47:31] | xris: | wagnerrp: my tinnitus is likely from childhood ear infections, with a bit of genetic predisposition. |
| [23:48:12] | ** Korny2 wishes he could learn to like linux mint... ** | |
| [23:48:25] | hoolio: | Korny2, why? |
| [23:48:36] | Korny2: | Because I really detest unity |
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| [23:49:09] | Korny2: | I'm going to try the beta of 11.10 and see if its improved at all |
| [23:51:21] | wagnerrp: | if you hate it so, why use it? |
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| [23:52:13] | wagnerrp: | theres no need to acquire a taste, there are plenty of other blends that may already taste better |
| [23:52:20] | Korny2: | This is true |
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| [23:52:47] | Korny2: | What I fine unity failing the most at is having duel monitors |
| [23:53:38] | Korny2: | I'm sure there is a way to configure it to work better |
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| [23:57:15] | ** skd5aner considers creating a wiki page for the Colossus simply to document that there's no support in linux and therefore is not supported by mythtv ** | |
| [23:58:49] | wagnerrp: | i could lock it, and then you would have no choice but to start adding categories to the talk page |
| [23:59:11] | ** wagnerrp pokes iamlindoro ** | |
| [23:59:16] | skd5aner: | huh? |
| [23:59:28] | skd5aner: | you mean, after I create the page lock it so people don't mess with it? |
| [23:59:47] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki?title=Talk:Hauppau . . . ;oldid=41510 |
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