Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, September 25th, 2011, 00:03 UTC

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xavierh:

Not 100% sure but when you are watching a recording, you can activate the PIP even withou only on source

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xavierh:

s/withou/with

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xavierh:

s/on/one

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mattwj2002:

how does it work with the cable card and recording?

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mattwj2002:

I have a lot of channels that I can't receive with cablecard

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mattwj2002:

should I just delete them out of the guide?

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Beirdo:

OK, I need pizza

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mattwj2002:

well

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mattwj2002:

I just went through every cable channel I could get on my cable card

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mattwj2002:

and I was surprised

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mattwj2002:

there the program guide is cleaned up

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mattwj2002:

:)

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mattwj2002:

anyone here?

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** mattwj2002 buys Beirdo a pizza **

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Beirdo:

why thank you

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wagnerrp:

you probably need to give him an address

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Beirdo:

OK, pizza ordered

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Gumby:

hi all. is running windows in a virtual machine still the only way to get netflix in mythtv?

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[R]:

there is no way to get netflix in mythtv...

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wagnerrp:

sure there is

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wagnerrp:

its built into mythvideo

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

good point

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wagnerrp:

you receive the dvd in the mail, you place it in your dvd player

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** [R] laughs **

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wagnerrp:

success!

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[R]:

wagnerrp: except thats not netflix anymore!

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[R]:

its <insert their new stupid name>

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mattwj2002:

qwikflix

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wagnerrp:

oh bugger... its diskster or something stupid

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mattwj2002:

for something dumb like that

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[R]:

oh diSk

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[R]:

i saw a c...

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wagnerrp:

it may as well be

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mattwj2002:

lol

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wagnerrp:

people who use 'ster' in their product name are as bad as people to refer to others as 'bro'

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Gumby:

thanks for the response [R]

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[R]:

wagnerrp: im not your bro pal

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wagnerrp:

they should both be subject to compulsory tasering and sterilization

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mattwj2002:

O_o

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wagnerrp:

o_O?

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** wagnerrp gets the rubber band and scissors **

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mattwj2002:

ouch!

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[R]:

what do you do with a rubber band and scissors?

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wagnerrp:

sterilization

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[R]:

isn't that a bit extreme?

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[R]:

and i think i get it

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[R]:

but i dont quite get the scisorrs...

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wagnerrp:

snip snip

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[R]:

than why do you need the rubber band?

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wagnerrp:

you dont want them bleeding out

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wagnerrp:

you just dont want them reproducing

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

isn't there cleaner ways of doing it?

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wagnerrp:

do you have access to a particle accelerator, or quantities of fissionable material?

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[R]:

LOL

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[R]:

isn't there a chemical way?

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wagnerrp:

i suppose you could cut open an old TV to achieve the same effect

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wagnerrp:

you mean like acids?

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[R]:

i dunno

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[R]:

like some kind of pill

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mattwj2002:

geez you guys suck

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wagnerrp:

would you rather we blew?

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wagnerrp:

all you have to do is flip the switch...

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mattwj2002:

forced sterilization?

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wagnerrp:

... that is, if your swartz is strong

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mattwj2002:

:P

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[R]:

come on shwartz... come on shwartz

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mattwj2002:

well at least I got my cable card going

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mattwj2002:

:D

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mattwj2002:

I am picking up everything that I subscribe to besides a few movie channels

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mattwj2002:

I am happy

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wagnerrp:

xris, Beirdo: didnt we drop libmpeg2?

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xris:

awesome. http://forums.schedulesdirect.org/viewtopic.p . . . p=5424#p5424

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xris:

methinks the poster doth protest too much.

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prologic:

Anyone here know if it's possible to get Apple TV content streamed without the actual Apple TV device (whilst still paying for content obviously) ?

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xris:

iTunes on a mac with an hdmi adapter plugged into the tv? ;)

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prologic:

hmm

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prologic:

you can get the same content from Apple TV through iTunes itself ?

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prologic:

*sigh*

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prologic:

wish netflix and/or hulu were available to australia already :)

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prologic:

there seem to be no other decent alternatives really

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Shiggs|MB:

Okay so for anyone that's awake, I think I figured out why my mythbackend keeps crashing... it's trying to connect to my localhost vs my real local IP. Where do I change where it listens for that?

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Shiggs|MB:

i.e. Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)

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Shiggs|MB:

2011-09–23 07:04:57.274 mythbackend version: fixes/0.24 [v0.24.1-58-g760c8db] w$

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Shiggs|MB:

2011-09–23 07:04:57.278 Using runtime prefix = /usr

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Shiggs|MB:

2011-09–23 07:04:57.278 Using configuration directory = /home/mythtv/.mythtv

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Shiggs|MB:

2011-09–23 07:04:57.279 Unable to read configuration file mysql.txt

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Shiggs|MB:

2011-09–23 07:04:57.279 Empty LocalHostName.

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Shiggs|MB:

2011-09–23 07:04:57.279 Using localhost value of Shiggity-HTPC

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Shiggs|MB:

2011-09–23 07:04:57.290 New DB connection, total: 1

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Shiggs|MB:

2011-09–23 07:04:57.293 Unable to connect to database!

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Shiggs|MB:

2011-09–23 07:04:57.293 Driver error was [1/1045]:

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Shiggs|MB:

QMYSQL: Unable to connect

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Shiggs|MB:

Database error was:

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Shiggs|MB:

Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)

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wizbit:

:-S

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mattwj2002:

hi everyone

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mattwj2002:

is there any way to deal with channels not starting programs on the half hour like they should?

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wagnerrp:

Shiggs|MB: thats the same problem you were having before

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wagnerrp:

youre trying to run the backend before your database comes up

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: no, we haven't

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Beirdo:

libmpeg2 is still in use by the transcode mpeg2-mpeg2 bit

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Beirdo:

and if it's there, ffmpeg may or may not link to it as well

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Beirdo:

IIRC

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wagnerrp:

i thought that was replex

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wagnerrp:

or is replex part of libmpeg2

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Beirdo:

it has code pulled from replex, but it uses libmpeg2 to decode the frames around cutpoints

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Beirdo:

that's on my list of things I wanna change sometime

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Beirdo:

anyways, the message xris was getting *seems* to be from libmpeg2, but doesn't match the version we have captured

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Beirdo:

nice and windy out today

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Beirdo:

I was tempted to put the camping bed out on the balcony last night ... if it stays like this all day and into the night, I may well do so tonight

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wagnerrp:

but, what if it starts raining?

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Beirdo:

then I come back inside :)

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NickHu:

What do you guys think is the cheapest possible AV receiver I can get? I need to send digital audio signals to it and get 5.1 RCA out

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wagnerrp:

why not get a cheap sound card with 5.1 audio?

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NickHu:

It's the speakers that are the problem

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NickHu:

I need to get Digital out to speakers that only have analogue in

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wagnerrp:

so you currently have nothing to power the speakers

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NickHu:

No, I do

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NickHu:

I'm trying to hook my PS3 up to them

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NickHu:

My PC has onboard 7.1

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laga_:

ah, you're still on it

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NickHu:

Yup xD

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NickHu:

Looks like a receiver would be the cheapest option

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NickHu:

Seeing as I can't find anything that even has S/PDIF in

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wagnerrp:

if youre going for a receiver, why not just go straight to HDMI?

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wagnerrp:

dont even bother screwing around with SPDIF

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NickHu:

Interesting.. But what would be the advantage to that?

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NickHu:

Surely digital audio -> analogue audio is easier than HDMI -> analogue audio

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wagnerrp:

traditionally, an AV receiver powers your speakers

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wagnerrp:

so it would be replacing whatever your current 5.1 amp is

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NickHu:

So you mean, basically everything that has sound outputs into av receiver which goes into speakers?

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wagnerrp:

thats the idea

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NickHu:

I have no amp

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wagnerrp:

sure you do, it runs your speakers

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NickHu:

It's just directly from my onboard soundcard to 5.1 speaker system

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wagnerrp:

unless your speakers are powered out of an amp built into a subwoofer

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NickHu:

^That

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wagnerrp:

you're looking for an A/V processor, basically

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NickHu:

Yeah

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wagnerrp:

while a receiver is an av processor, paired with an amp

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NickHu:

How much would that set me back?

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NickHu:

Ah, I see

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wagnerrp:

the problem is the only people who want separate parts are looking for high end gear

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NickHu:

I couldn't care less about quality, I just want some surround sound

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wagnerrp:

and are looking to spend several grand on a processor, several grand more on an amp, several more on speakers...

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NickHu:

Jesus, it would be cheaper to get speakers with digital inputs

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wagnerrp:

right, im just saying what youre looking for is a niche product

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wagnerrp:

what you specifically want would be cheap, if you could find it

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wagnerrp:

the problem is finding it

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NickHu:

Hmm

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wagnerrp:

the only things designed to fit that role are designed to fit it with a lot more capability than youre looking for

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laga_:

the processor is like 40€ on ebay, from china ;)

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NickHu:

But, what kind of latency do you think this would produce? PS3 Digital Audio out -> Some sort of PCI card that has Digital Audio in -> Software decoder -> PC audio out via RCA surround?

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wagnerrp:

no clue

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NickHu:

wagnerrp: What do I type into google then? AV processor?

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wagnerrp:

you might want to root around avsforum.com

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wagnerrp:

see if they have any suggestions

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NickHu:

Also, what's the difference between Dolby and DTS?

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NickHu:

It is compression?

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wagnerrp:

different company

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wagnerrp:

'dolby' is AC3

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wagnerrp:

AC3 for broadcast is usually 384kbps

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wagnerrp:

for dvds, youre looking at 384–640kbps

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wagnerrp:

while dts is 1.5Mbps

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wagnerrp:

the SPDIF link itself goes up to about 2Mbps

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NickHu:

Apparently I want a 5.1 decoder: http://www.mineminemine.co.uk/coaxial-dtsac3- . . . r-3404-p.asp

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NickHu:

wagnerrp: Ah, so DTS is much better then?

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wagnerrp:

well, its subjective

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wagnerrp:

sometimes the AC3 track is better mastered

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wagnerrp:

sometimes the DTS track is better mastered

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[R]:

i wouldn't go as far to say better... just different

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NickHu:

It's higher bitrate, so *technically speaking* it's better right?

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wagnerrp:

and then youre still limited to whatever the limits of your speaker quality are

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NickHu:

I see

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wagnerrp:

higher bitrate just means it consumes more data, it doesnt mean its better

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[R]:

that's like saying windows is better than linux because it requires more disk space

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[R]:

:P

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wagnerrp:

you cant even say higher bitrate h264 is better than lower bitrate mpeg2

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wagnerrp:

h264 is a more efficient codec in theory, and youve stated the stream is higher bitrate

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wagnerrp:

but the encoder they used may have been complete garbage

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NickHu:

Okay

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NickHu:

Assume the source and encoder are completely perfect

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NickHu:

DTS trumps dolby?

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wagnerrp:

in that case... still dont know, never really cared enough to look into it deeply

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wagnerrp:

:)

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NickHu:

http://www.bestofferbuy.com/51Channel-DTSAC3- . . . ign=gbase_uk What do you think of this?

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[R]:

now analog

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[R]:

THAT is worse

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[R]:

:P

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wagnerrp:

thats surprisingly cheap

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wagnerrp:

all the stuff i was finding was $150 and up

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[R]:

analog makes me sad

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laga_:

NickHu: looks like the thing i linked on ebay :P

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NickHu:

[R]: *Technically* speaking analog trumps digital too :P

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wagnerrp:

[R]: if not analog, what are you using?

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[R]:

wagnerrp: lol

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[R]:

NickHu: i have this argument with the old guys at work

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[R]:

and i will not budge

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[R]:

wagnerrp: i like my signal to remain digital for the longest time possible

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NickHu:

It's just like analog watches are better than digital watches... *braces for flame*

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[R]:

wagnerrp: yes, i realize its an analog signal going to my speakers

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[R]:

NickHu: hell to the no

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wagnerrp:

well at that point, youre just talking about style

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wagnerrp:

functionally, there is no way you can consider an analog watch better than digital

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[R]:

wagnerrp++

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NickHu:

wagnerrp: They *can* be like a thousand times more accurate

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wagnerrp:

no they cant

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NickHu:

Sure they can

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NickHu:

Also, is it normal for my recording to "bleed" over 5 minutes?

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[R]:

if your channel sucks

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wagnerrp:

even a cheap $10 quartz watch from china will trump the most expensive wind-up rolex

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[R]:

myth records from X to Y in time what you tell it

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NickHu:

wagnerrp: Quartz watches can be analog

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NickHu:

[R]: I suspect it's my card being a bitch

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[R]:

that makes no snese...

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[R]:

a crappy card isn't going to make myth magically record extra

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wagnerrp:

NickHu: quartz watches can have an analog face, but they will be digital internally

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wagnerrp:

NickHu: are you using EIT or radiotimes?

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mattwj2002:

hey guys

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mattwj2002:

Comcast with a cablecard shows multiple versions of the same tv station

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NickHu:

wagnerrp: Radiotimes

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mattwj2002:

some standard definition

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mattwj2002:

some HD

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wagnerrp:

you have EIT turned off completely?

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NickHu:

[R]: It could, it could refuse to unlock

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mattwj2002:

any way to easily have mythtv prefer the HD ones?

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NickHu:

wagnerrp: No

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[R]:

NickHu: huh?

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wagnerrp:

im wondering if there are mid-program EIT updates

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wagnerrp:

that are causing mythtv to extend the recording

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NickHu:

Hmm

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[R]:

mattwj2002: just remove the ones you dont want

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NickHu:

How could I put EIT at the bottom of the priority stack?

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mattwj2002:

that was what I was thinking

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wagnerrp:

and remove them from your SD lineup so they dont get re-added

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mattwj2002:

okay

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NickHu:

And note that it seems to work perfectly if I record from mid-programme during live tv

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wagnerrp:

NickHu: just uncheck the box to enable EIT for those channels

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NickHu:

Oh, for these channels EIT is completely disabled

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NickHu:

For channels without XMLTV ids it's enabled

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** mattwj2002 huggles [R] **

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[R]:

dude

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[R]:

personal space

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mattwj2002:

lol

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[R]:

unless you are a hot chick

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[R]:

than picks or it dindt happen

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[R]:

pics*

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NickHu:

Pervert

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[R]:

lol

[17:18:21]

NickHu:

Go back to rizon

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[R]:

huh?

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NickHu:

irc.rizon.net

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[R]:

whats that/

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NickHu:

Google it

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[R]:

no thanks

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wagnerrp:

the dark side of the forc^H^H^H^Hinternet

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NickHu:

wagnerrp: It's not like it's an onion network

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NickHu:

wagnerrp: So you're saying it's possibly EIT breaking my recordings?

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wagnerrp:

NickHu: no, not if youve got EIT disabled for those channels

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NickHu:

So EIT is only in progress when tuned to a channel with EIT enabled?

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wagnerrp:

depends on how you have it set

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NickHu:

Actg

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NickHu:

Actkve s

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NickHu:

Active scan is off *

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mattwj2002:

anyone else having issues with recordings being off?

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mattwj2002:

time wise

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[R]:

if your channels suck

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mattwj2002:

Nick At Nite, TV Land, and FX

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mattwj2002:

ticks me off

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mattwj2002:

I don't think there is a solution either

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[R]:

you can set recordsings to record extra/less

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mattwj2002:

true

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mattwj2002:

can you do that on a per channel basis?

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wagnerrp:

no, its per rule

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mattwj2002:

per rule aka per show?

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wagnerrp:

no, per rule

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wagnerrp:

you can have one rule handling multiple shows

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wagnerrp:

you can have one show handled by multiple rules

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wagnerrp:

the hard padding for recording is per rule

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wagnerrp:

measured in minutes

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mattwj2002:

okay I found where to set it

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mattwj2002:

thanks

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Shadow__X:

i know this is off topic but does anyone know how i can encrypt a pdf using aes without needing adobe acrobat ?

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Seeker`:

hmm, why can't I tune pickTV+1

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Seeker`:

it gets stuck at _LMS, and recordings from it don't work

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mattwj2002:

man

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mattwj2002:

I need another cable card tuner

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mattwj2002:

:D

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mattwj2002:

I suppose it would help if I got my clear qam hdhomerun going

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justinh:

Seeker`: probably not on air right now

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justinh:

Seeker`: or this: http://www.freeview.co.uk/Resolutions/About-C . . . w-channel-44

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justinh:

stupid freeview shuffling

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EvilGuru:

justinh: Pick TV+1 leaving freeview...and nothing of value was lost

[20:43:29]

EvilGuru:

sadly. nothing was gained, either

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EvilGuru:

But there really has been nothing to replace Virgin 1/Channel One or Sky Sports news on freeview

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justinh:

leaving? Oh but we need all these +1 channels, shopping & brilliant, superb dating MHEG services

[20:44:59]

justinh:

oh wait. No we frickin don't

[20:46:13]

justinh:

Sky should be kicked off terrestrial TV full stop

[20:46:20]

justinh:

so should TUTV

[20:46:25]

justinh:

and sultana sports

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justinh:

if you want sports, get satellite or cable

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EvilGuru:

they went years ago

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EvilGuru:

replaced by espn which was in turn replaced by sky sports 1 & 2

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justinh:

tutv have gone? they were still being a waste of mux space last time I looked

[20:47:00]

justinh:

TUTV anytime crap

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EvilGuru:

sultana sports has gone, TUTV is still hobbling along in some form

[20:47:25]

justinh:

they should kill it

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justinh:

tell em to get their own muxes

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EvilGuru:

I doubt the space would be used for anything worhwhile

[20:48:36]

justinh:

it could be though. turn up the bitrate

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EvilGuru:

now that would be nice

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justinh:

make picture Q comparable to analogue TV :)

[20:49:20]

justinh:

hahahha. like that's ever gonna happen

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EvilGuru:

BBC news takes up more than its fair share of b/w considering it is a news channel

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justinh:

they don't need BBC 3 & 4 IMHO

[20:50:31]

justinh:

just put all the crap from BBC3 in the bin, and put the interesting stuff from BBC4 back onto BBC2 where it belongs :)

[20:51:08]

EvilGuru:

3 is just to try and get younger viewers...but most of them like the U$ stuff on E4 and Five

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justinh:

not sure yoof is really into teevees

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EvilGuru:

really? as they stole a crapload of plasma/lcd screens over the summer

[20:52:33]

justinh:

I mean watching television ;-)

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EvilGuru:

you're probably right

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justinh:

wonder if any of these net connected teevees are gonna be able to be reported stolen & deactivate themselves

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EvilGuru:

I wonder if they can do that

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** justinh rushes down to the patent office **

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wagnerrp:

you would have to broadcast it

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wagnerrp:

i doubt most people would hook their TVs up to the internet

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justinh:

I dunno. UIs are starting to look usable now & it's nice to have net connected features like iPlayer

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EvilGuru:

I have enough trouble trusting the PS3s in this house with net access

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Shiggs|MB:

wagnerrp: my database should be up since when I start mythbackend via a shell it works fine

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wagnerrp:

what if you manually start mythbackend after boot using the init scipt?

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Shiggs|MB:

it'll crash when I do rc-status

[21:10:42]

wagnerrp:

huh?

[21:10:53]

Shiggs|MB:

well it'll have crashed already

[21:11:10]

Shiggs|MB:

on Gentoo-based systems rc-status shows what apps in a given runlevel is running or not

[21:11:12]

wagnerrp:

crashed complaining it couldnt find the database?

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Shiggs|MB:

yea

[21:11:27]

Shiggs|MB:

well not that it can't find it

[21:11:33]

Shiggs|MB:

that it's denied access to it

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wagnerrp:

then your database is not configured for the HOME the init script is setting to

[21:11:55]

wagnerrp:

its falling back to mythtv:mythtv @ localhost

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Shiggs|MB:

ya

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wagnerrp:

which happens to be the correct database, but incorrect credentials

[21:12:11]

Shiggs|MB:

where's the file to edit so I can put in the proper IP/

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Shiggs|MB:

...

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wagnerrp:

wherever the init script tells it it is

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wagnerrp:

~/.mythtv/config.xml and ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt

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wagnerrp:

where ever ~ happens to be when you run mythbackend

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Shiggs|MB:

ya

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Shiggs|MB:

all looks on but it still doesn't seem to work when I want it to via init script

[21:14:48]

Shiggs|MB:

it's claiming empty local host name when I have my local host name set to this:

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Shiggs|MB:

#

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Shiggs|MB:

#LocalHostName=Shiggity-HTPC

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Shiggs|MB:

I have it commented out becauseit wasn't working otherwise

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wagnerrp:

so... its unse

[21:15:08]

wagnerrp:

t

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wagnerrp:

did you look at the init script?

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Shiggs|MB:

yes

[21:15:51]

wagnerrp:

did you see where it is resetting HOME?

[21:16:26]

wagnerrp:

so when HOME is now /etc/mythtv

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wagnerrp:

mythbackend is going to be looking for those files in /etc/mythtv/.mythtv/

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wagnerrp:

rather than /home/whatever/.mythtv/

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Shiggs|MB:

export HOME=/etc/mythtv

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wagnerrp:

further, if LocalHostName is unset, mythtv will simply use the machines hostname

[21:17:33]

wagnerrp:

that hostname is used as an index in the database

[21:17:41]

wagnerrp:

so different machines can have different settings

[21:17:45]

wagnerrp:

if you configure it using one hostname

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wagnerrp:

and then force it to another

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wagnerrp:

that machine will be unconfigured

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Shiggs|MB:

export HOME=~/.mythtv <== should that work?

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CSentinel:

Wondering if someone has experience dealing with a db schema upgrade hang going from 1215->1216?

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wagnerrp:

gentoo likes to store its stuff in /etc

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wagnerrp:

any reason not to leave it there?

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CSentinel:

Tried doing mythtvsetup -v all, but no luck on getting an idea of what command it is trying to run against the db.

[21:19:10]

wagnerrp:

that sounds like the UTF8 update

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CSentinel:

strace just shows the mythtvsetup stuck in a 'read'

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wagnerrp:

youre trying to upgrade from an old 0.21 or previous install?

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Shiggs|MB:

wagnerrp: there's nothing in directory /etc/mythtv

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CSentinel:

0.21 upgrade

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wagnerrp:

Shiggs|MB: is there a /etc/mythtv/.mythtv/ ?

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wagnerrp:

remember, anything with a leading period will be hidden unless you tell `ls` to show them

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Shiggs|MB:

I know

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CSentinel:

On the UTF8 upgrade I see conflicting info on whether the DB char set should be UTF8 or latin1 post 0.21

[21:20:33]

Shiggs|MB:

and there's nothing in there at all

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wagnerrp:

Shiggs|MB: because you never ran mythtv-setup to configure it

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Shiggs|MB:

I did so

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wagnerrp:

yes, against a different HOME value

[21:21:10]

wagnerrp:

so it stored elsewhere

[21:21:27]

wagnerrp:

so you need to copy those two files into /etc/mythtv/.mythtv/

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Shiggs|MB:

k

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wagnerrp:

so mythbackend, when run using the init scripts, knows where to access the data

[21:21:43]

wagnerrp:

base

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xris:

which process grabs meta data / artwork for videos?

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wagnerrp:

mythfrontend and/or mythbackend

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CSentinel:

Should the DB char set be UTF8 or latin1? I see conflicting msg posts/user forums on the subject

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wagnerrp:

mythfrontend if you do it using the UI

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xris:

oh, wait, I see. inetref isn't getting detected properly

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wagnerrp:

mythbackend if you call the backend proto to perform it

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Shiggs|MB:

wagnerrp: the files are in the proper places are it's still crashing

[21:24:48]

wagnerrp:

CSentinel: honestly, its been over a year since the last time ive heard someone having troubles upgrading

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wagnerrp:

i dont recall off hand what the procedure is

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Shiggs|MB:

shiggity@Shiggity-HTPC /var/run $ rc-status

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Shiggs|MB:

Runlevel: default

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Shiggs|MB:

metalog [ started ]

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Shiggs|MB:

netif.eth0 [ started ]

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Shiggs|MB:

mysql [ started ]

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Shiggs|MB:

mythbackend [ crashed ]

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wagnerrp:

are you done? or did the freenode flood limiter kick in?

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CSentinel:

Ok. Thanks. I left the box on an old rev for too long, just couldn't find a good window to upgrade it.

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Shiggs|MB:

I'm done

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Shiggs|MB:

I don't flood

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wagnerrp:

you just did

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Shiggs|MB:

well I got my point accross right? it's still crashing

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wagnerrp:

would have been better to provide logs of what the backend is doing that it is deciding to close

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Shiggs|MB:

wagnerrp: http://pastie.org/2591046

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Shiggs|MB:

all files are where they should be

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wagnerrp:

"Unable to read configuration file mysql.txt"

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Shiggs|MB:

I dont' see why

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wagnerrp:

either the file isnt there, or the 'mythtv' user doesnt have read permission on the file or folder, or execute permission on the folder

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Shiggs|MB:

shouldn't the init-script do it?

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Shiggs|MB:

grant permission

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wagnerrp:

all it does is change ownership

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wagnerrp:

if the owner isnt allowed permission, not much it can do

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wagnerrp:

mysql.txt is supposed to be a series of "Key=Value" pairs

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wagnerrp:

if its xml, you copied the wrong file

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Shiggs|MB:

may I see yours for an example?

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wagnerrp:

http://pastebin.com/c1SCGTPt

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Shiggs|MB:

that's exactly what I have besides the host name

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wagnerrp:

in /etc/mythtv/.mythtv/mysql.txt?

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Shiggs|MB:

yep

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Shiggs|MB:

should the dbhostname be my local IP? or local host?

[21:36:33]

Shiggs|MB:

maybe that's where I'm going wrong

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wagnerrp:

can be either, really should be neither

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wagnerrp:

better to use your network accessible address

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Shiggs|MB:

so comment it out?

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Shiggs|MB:

ok

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wagnerrp:

and make sure mysql is set to listen on the network

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Shiggs|MB:

in my.cnf?

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wagnerrp:

sounds right

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wagnerrp:

i never had to do it, my "distro" allows mysql to operate on the network by default

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Shiggs|MB:

may I see your my.cnf file as well?

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wagnerrp:

im not even certain where it is, ive never had to go digging for it

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Shiggs|MB:

should be in /etc/mysql

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wagnerrp:

no, my "distro" doesnt like stuffing everything in /etc

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Shiggs|MB:

what distro you on

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wagnerrp:

in any case, its the bottom of the page... http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html

[21:40:08]

wagnerrp:

the skip-networking stuff

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wagnerrp:

freebsd, so not a linux distro

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Shiggs|MB:

yeah I don't have the 'skip-networking' line in there

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Shiggs|MB:

and my bind-address is set properly

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wagnerrp:

then you should be set

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Shiggs|MB:

but then again I'm not someohw

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Shiggs|MB:

somehow*

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wagnerrp:

this isnt in relation to your current problem

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wagnerrp:

but more to future-proof you in the event you want to add a remote frontend/backend later

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notlistening:

Hi i am currently attempting to install a secondary backend, I have mythtv-backend installed only and when i try to run mythtv-setup I get a language selection screen and then it just closes no error am i doing something wrong?

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[R]:

what does the log say

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notlistening:

1 sec

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notlistening:

Would you like to configure the database connection now? [no]

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notlistening:

[console is not interactive, using default 'no']

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[R]:

dont paste it 1 line at a time

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[R]:

...

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notlistening:

sorry

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notlistening:

That is in the backend log

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wagnerrp:

there has to be more than that

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notlistening:

on the console i get no error from the setup, I will post it all

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notlistening:

http://pastebin.com/XvhStBeL

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notlistening:

Sorry that took some time

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** wagnerrp seems to have lost his small collection of hard drive magnets **

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[R]:

my dad hangs dead hard drives on his wall

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wagnerrp:

[R]: im more concerned the damage they could cause with me placing things near them, not knowing where they are

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[R]:

thats the adventure!

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Twiggy2cents:

by chance, are any of you guys into fish?

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Twiggy2cents:

(Aquarium type)

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[R]:

ewww

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[R]:

what kind of sick things do you do

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Twiggy2cents:

lol

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Twiggy2cents:

I have a question about the nitrogen cycle

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notlistening:

when the country selection comes us there are no languages to choose from is that an issue?

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wagnerrp:

just a minor one

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notlistening:

it should still start right?

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wagnerrp:

it usually means youre trying to run the opengl painter on a card that doesnt support it

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wagnerrp:

or something similar

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notlistening:

humm strange i can run the same version etc from one machine that i can't from the other

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notlistening:

the only difference is that I am using the most basic ubuntu virtual machine on this one and a full server on the other. This one i have only insalled the backend package nothing else and the other is a full myth backend with mysql and everything

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wagnerrp:

well theres your problem

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notlistening:

which bit?

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wagnerrp:

the one where you only chose a basic ubuntu virtual machine

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notlistening:

ohh ;)

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Twiggy2cents:

Why would you want to run a virtual machine for something that uses the system so heavily?

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wagnerrp:

the bad part there is the "virtual machine", not "basic ubuntu"

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Twiggy2cents:

So you are saying, that there is no reason to try to run myth or in general anything heavily system dependent on a vm?

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wagnerrp:

im saying there is no reason to try to run in general anything in a vm

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Twiggy2cents:

Ohh, what about a live cd ;)

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wagnerrp:

unless you need so for security isolation, or for testing/development on another OS or architecture

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wagnerrp:

you boot into a live cd, thats the whole meaning of a live cd

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Twiggy2cents:

No i mean run mythtv on it

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Twiggy2cents:

So is it possible with a lot of configuring to run mythtv on a vm?

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notlistening:

just out of interest but i guess there are components missing which in theory should not be the case if all the dependencies are met right?

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Twiggy2cents:

I know it took me a while jsut to get my fedora to pass the usb devices to my windows vm

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notlistening:

< is running myth on a vm

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notlistening:

one with sucess one without ;)

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Twiggy2cents:

Why a vm?

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notlistening:

welll i run a server that i wanted to keep seperate as i run a redmine development server off it as well and thought i would use the spare cycles for a myth server

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notlistening:

i don't want my redmine server going down when myth misbehaved all too often

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notlistening:

hence a vm

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[R]:

myth doesnt bring systems down..

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notlistening:

okay just in case [R]

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[R]:

lol

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wagnerrp:

redmine is...?

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[R]:

some stupdi game i assume

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wagnerrp:

project management web application, apache/ruby

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wagnerrp:

so... it runs on linux

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wagnerrp:

if both your applications will run on the same kernel, there is no reason to use VMs

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wagnerrp:

even if they require completely different userlands to operate

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wagnerrp:

thats nothing more than a chroot away

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notlistening:

well for me it is more for the flexibility to have a new server up and running on different hardware in about an hour

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notlistening:

myth is an after thought

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