| Wednesday, September 21st, 2011, 00:03 UTC | ||
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| [00:04:02] | rxMokka: | good afternoon folks |
| [00:05:14] | rxMokka: | I've got "audio in" on my capture card hooked to my tv converter box, but I'm getting no sound output when I watch tv. I just tested my sound card and volume levels in firefox on youtube and I'm getting sound there |
| [00:05:40] | rxMokka: | http://pastebin.com/DHG8cQin frontend/backend logs. What do I need to investigate here? |
| [00:07:12] | rxMokka: | I'm seeing this, which seems related to audio. But I remember seeing 32000 as a default setting for the audio encoding: SampleRate: Attempted to add a rate 32000 Hz, which is not in the list of allowed rates. |
| [00:09:45] | rxMokka: | I also get no sound from the livetv program |
| [00:13:54] | rxMokka: | in capture card setup, i only have the choice of none or ALSA:default for audio device. could AlSA:default be looking at my soundcard's audio-in instead of my capture card's audio-in? |
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| [00:25:50] | rxMokka: | I have alsa module cx88_alsa loaded for the capture card |
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| [01:00:27] | mattwj2002: | hi all |
| [01:00:33] | mattwj2002: | xris: how did the install go? |
| [01:02:25] | xris: | mattwj2002: card initiation issues but I think that I got it straightened out with some help from iamlindoro |
| [01:02:33] | xris: | going to try to find time tonight to make sure it's all in the wiki. |
| [01:02:35] | xris: | afk |
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| [01:03:06] | mattwj2002: | what type of "issues"? |
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| [01:05:12] | mattwj2002: | xris did you get it sync'd up okay though? |
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| [01:07:59] | mattwj2002: | someone really should create a WinTV-DCR-2650 page |
| [01:08:00] | mattwj2002: | :) |
| [01:08:33] | mattwj2002: | I can't find any descent documentation on the wiki! |
| [01:08:34] | mattwj2002: | :P |
| [01:08:51] | hoolio: | the wiki is free to edit |
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| [01:09:11] | mattwj2002: | I would but I don't get mine until tomorrow |
| [01:09:25] | mattwj2002: | if there i documentation by then I'll create the page tomorrow |
| [01:09:33] | mattwj2002: | *is no |
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| [01:19:06] | mattwj2002: | man |
| [01:19:23] | mattwj2002: | I have yet to hear one good story with these cable cards :( |
| [01:19:56] | mattwj2002: | yeah just plugged it in and it worked after a brief talk with Comcast! *not what I am hearing!* |
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| [01:26:12] | KungFuJesus: | Hello, I have a question about mytharchive. Why do the encoding profiles have supposed bitrates that don't match the argument that gets fed to ffmpeg with -b? |
| [01:26:12] | KungFuJesus: | is there something going on with dvd author that is dumbing down to a fixed bitrate after running through an ffmpeg encode or something? |
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| [01:26:41] | KungFuJesus: | for instance, "HQ" profile has supposedly bitrate of 4121.something, but what's passed to -b is 9000k during the ffmpeg encode |
| [01:29:51] | wagnerrp: | ! |
| [01:29:56] | wagnerrp: | amazing! |
| [01:30:10] | mattwj2002: | what is amazing? |
| [01:30:20] | wagnerrp: | theyre looking at a video recording in ncis, and its just 'too fuzzy' |
| [01:30:31] | wagnerrp: | theres no magical interpolation scheme they can run on it to make out what is in the video |
| [01:30:40] | mattwj2002: | O_o |
| [01:30:45] | mattwj2002: | is that broke? |
| [01:30:47] | mattwj2002: | :P |
| [01:30:53] | wagnerrp: | it could be a picture of a woman, or one of a fuzzy pirate with a mustache |
| [01:31:06] | mattwj2002: | there is always a magical interpolation :P |
| [01:31:07] | wagnerrp: | mattwj2002: i mena... theres no 'enhance!' |
| [01:31:38] | mattwj2002: | O_o |
| [01:31:53] | mattwj2002: | why that isn't very realistic |
| [01:31:54] | mattwj2002: | :P |
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| [01:32:32] | mattwj2002: | real life you can always enhance more ;) |
| [01:32:56] | KungFuJesus: | is bitrate not an actual parameter that is passed out of the XML? I would think it's used strictly for size calculation, but then the video seems to be encoded around that rate for whatever reason |
| [01:33:39] | westlock3: | I have all the box sets for battlestar galactic seasons 1 through 4.5 but am stuggling with how to identify them with metadata by disc. For example: Season 1 disc 1 |
| [01:34:19] | wagnerrp: | meaning, you have them stored in ISOs or VIDEO_TS folders? |
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| [01:36:46] | westlock3: | Stored in .iso format |
| [01:37:41] | wagnerrp: | yeah, its a feature lacking in mythvideo currently |
| [01:37:55] | wagnerrp: | it has no meaningful way to handle a single file containing multiple movies or shows |
| [01:38:15] | wagnerrp: | best option for now is to extract them from the DVD and store them independently |
| [01:38:23] | sphery: | wagnerrp: cool... I had been wondering for the previewgen thread (that I shouldn't have replied to), but it may make sense to rework some of the code that's using myth_nice() and get rid of myth_nice9) |
| [01:38:43] | rxMokka: | I've got "audio in" on my capture card hooked to my tv converter box, but I'm getting no sound output when I watch tv. I just tested my sound card and volume levels in firefox on youtube and I'm getting sound there |
| [01:39:13] | rxMokka: | http://pastebin.com/DHG8cQin frontend/backend logs. What do I need to investigate here? |
| [01:39:43] | sphery: | you /should/ investigate getting a real analog capture card instead of using a dumb frame grabber |
| [01:40:14] | sphery: | i.e. hardware encoders are much easier to use than frame grabbers because they handle all this for you |
| [01:40:26] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i told him he should get a real digital tuner, rather than capture from an ATSC box, but... |
| [01:40:29] | rxMokka: | I've got cx88-alsa loaded for the card's sound sound device |
| [01:40:34] | sphery: | or that |
| [01:41:32] | westlock3: | How do I extract that information from the Dvd? |
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| [01:42:06] | wagnerrp: | westlock3: i mean... rip the individual episodes out to individual files |
| [01:42:12] | wagnerrp: | rather than keep them in the dvd structure |
| [01:42:45] | westlock3: | Pop the dvd in and look through the directory? |
| [01:43:32] | wagnerrp: | run the DVD, or the ISO, through a dvd ripping programs |
| [01:43:47] | westlock3: | tried looking online for tmdb number to no avail |
| [01:43:50] | wagnerrp: | pop out the bare mpeg file for each episode, and use that instead |
| [01:44:00] | wagnerrp: | there will be no tmdb number for tv episodes |
| [01:44:03] | wagnerrp: | tmdb doesnt do tv |
| [01:44:08] | wagnerrp: | thetvdb.com does tv |
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| [01:59:29] | rxMokka: | so no ideas on audio/ |
| [01:59:31] | rxMokka: | ? |
| [02:00:08] | rxMokka: | how about alternatively reducing the delay in playback from video capture? I can hook the converter box's audio out directly to my speakers |
| [02:00:25] | wagnerrp: | delay? |
| [02:02:14] | rxMokka: | yes, playback is about 2–4sec behind |
| [02:02:42] | rxMokka: | measured by audio offset (hooked direct to speakers), and by offset in response from pressing remote control's menu buttons for the converter |
| [02:03:08] | wagnerrp: | thats because you are recording to disk, and then playing back from disk |
| [02:03:13] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is not a live stream |
| [02:03:32] | rxMokka: | I'm aware of why |
| [02:03:34] | wagnerrp: | if your audio and video are offset, its because the audio is being played live, rather than being captured with the video |
| [02:04:28] | rxMokka: | I'm aware of that as well |
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| [02:04:47] | rxMokka: | I'm not having much luck finding information on getting the audio to capture |
| [02:09:10] | wagnerrp: | one of the big reasons why we tell people not to use framegrabbers |
| [02:12:28] | rxMokka: | I'm suspecting its something to do with wrong alsa devices, only one is showing in my capture card config page |
| [02:12:50] | rxMokka: | the capture port on my cx88 card is an alsa dma device |
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| [02:16:09] | xris: | mattwj2002: the big question I still have for the device is how to do firmware upgrades. so far it seems that it might require windows. |
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| [02:20:17] | xris: | grumble. backend crashed again. |
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| [02:20:25] | taylorr: | anyone have a good way of recording all pilot episodes? |
| [02:20:40] | wagnerrp: | sphery's got a power rule for that |
| [02:22:36] | xris: | taylorr: hmm, that's kind of a cool idea. |
| [02:22:42] | mattwj2002: | do you guys have any ups's? |
| [02:22:54] | xris: | I do |
| [02:22:58] | wagnerrp: | i have seven ups |
| [02:23:04] | mattwj2002: | 7? |
| [02:23:06] | xris: | on all of my machines |
| [02:23:07] | mattwj2002: | O_o |
| [02:23:12] | wagnerrp: | ... |
| [02:23:15] | mattwj2002: | you have 7 machines? |
| [02:23:17] | xris: | mattwj2002: device seems to work great |
| [02:23:17] | mattwj2002: | O_O |
| [02:23:23] | sphery: | xris: it's basically the example in custom rules editor called First Episodes (but I added a clause to get any show with a subtitle of pilot on the original air date, too) |
| [02:23:23] | wagnerrp: | whoosh |
| [02:23:44] | taylorr: | xris: not my idea :) I think Kevin mentioned on the list he sets up a power rule that records all episode with ID = EP*001 or something like that |
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| [02:24:15] | taylorr: | xris: sounds like you might get some false positives |
| [02:24:30] | mattwj2002: | wagnerrp |
| [02:24:33] | xris: | as long as you monitor the queue it'd be easy enough to kill them |
| [02:24:38] | mattwj2002: | what works well with linux? |
| [02:25:00] | wagnerrp: | 'seven ups'... |
| [02:25:08] | wagnerrp: | think about it for a second |
| [02:25:14] | xris: | mattwj2002: I'm a fan of cyberpower these days |
| [02:25:25] | mattwj2002: | lol |
| [02:25:27] | mattwj2002: | haha |
| [02:25:33] | sphery: | xris: http://pastebin.com/jQPvyCZR |
| [02:25:41] | wagnerrp: | the problem with cyberpower is you need serial ports on your machines |
| [02:25:47] | mattwj2002: | I was thinking of apc |
| [02:25:51] | wagnerrp: | the USB connections arent supported by linux/nut |
| [02:25:52] | xris: | nice |
| [02:25:55] | sphery: | xris: but like I said, it's basically First Episodes example in custom rule editor |
| [02:25:58] | taylorr: | sphery: is that First Episodes rule in 0.24-fixes? |
| [02:26:02] | xris: | wagnerrp: huh? usb works fine for me |
| [02:26:05] | mattwj2002: | but if cyberpower works better |
| [02:26:16] | sphery: | taylorr: yeah, it's been in since 0.20, IIRC :) |
| [02:26:21] | wagnerrp: | oh? maybe that's changed in the last few years? |
| [02:26:32] | sphery: | I did add the "OR program.subtitle = 'Pilot'" part, though |
| [02:26:36] | mattwj2002: | I'll buy a card if necceary |
| [02:26:49] | xris: | wagnerrp: everything I've been told by sysadmin friends is that the new cyberpower stuff works better with that than apc |
| [02:27:02] | xris: | but I rarely bother to plug in the monitor port either. |
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| [02:27:12] | xris: | I remember configuring nut for the one on my mythbox, though |
| [02:27:14] | sphery: | since a lot of networks are airing series out of order, they don't always do EP%0001 first |
| [02:27:38] | mattwj2002: | you don't configure the monitor port? |
| [02:27:40] | mattwj2002: | O_O |
| [02:27:49] | mattwj2002: | what if your not home when the power goes out? |
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| [02:29:24] | xris: | mattwj2002: then there's not much I can do about it, is there? |
| [02:29:41] | mattwj2002: | let me rephrase that |
| [02:29:52] | mattwj2002: | why didn't you configure the dang port? |
| [02:29:59] | xris: | low priority |
| [02:30:06] | xris: | little benefit to me |
| [02:30:07] | mattwj2002: | ok |
| [02:30:55] | xris: | not really sure what benefit it gives me now that I have it hooked up |
| [02:33:25] | sphery: | I unplugged all my UPS's and my network has been significantly more reliable ever since |
| [02:34:09] | mattwj2002: | lol |
| [02:34:12] | mattwj2002: | nice |
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| [02:34:42] | mattwj2002: | it must have caused noise on the line |
| [02:34:46] | mattwj2002: | or something |
| [02:35:20] | sphery: | no, they ups's just got taken out by something that tripped the internal breaker, so someone had to push a button, which is annoying when you're 1000 miles away |
| [02:35:35] | sphery: | and it happened a /lot/ |
| [02:36:04] | sphery: | whereas my PSUs seem to weather the browns and spikes without serious harm |
| [02:36:21] | mattwj2002: | hmm |
| [02:36:31] | wagnerrp: | ive never had to press the resets on my PSUs |
| [02:36:32] | sphery: | and journaling filesystems make it a lot less dangerous for the system |
| [02:36:47] | mattwj2002: | xris do you have similar problems |
| [02:36:47] | mattwj2002: | ? |
| [02:36:50] | sphery: | maybe it's a "lightning capital of the US" thing |
| [02:37:26] | mattwj2002: | Sat., WA? |
| [02:37:37] | sphery: | anyway, between those issues--and having to replace the batteries yearly--I decided that the UPS's weren't worth it |
| [02:38:38] | sphery: | and--even if you consider all failed hardware I've replaced since then--it's still less than the money I would have spent on $30/yr/UPS battery replacements |
| [02:39:24] | wagnerrp: | yeah, thats the real killer |
| [02:39:30] | wagnerrp: | batteries only last so long |
| [02:39:50] | sphery: | oh, but I meant FL for lightning capial |
| [02:40:16] | mattwj2002: | okay |
| [02:40:21] | sphery: | anyway, I wouldn't recommend my approach to anyone else--but it works well for me |
| [02:40:37] | sphery: | just call me The Gambler |
| [02:40:51] | mattwj2002: | knows when to hold them..... |
| [02:41:25] | sphery: | yeah, wish I could have come up with a good ups-related verse for it |
| [02:41:26] | wagnerrp: | you know... supercaps have around the same energy density as lead acid batteries |
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| [02:41:40] | wagnerrp: | and effectively unlimited cycle life |
| [02:41:46] | mattwj2002: | what is a supercap? |
| [02:41:57] | sphery: | LIKE THIS only bigger |
| [02:41:58] | wagnerrp: | i wonder what a couple hundred Wh of supercaps would cost you |
| [02:42:05] | sphery: | :) |
| [02:42:12] | mattwj2002: | does it have a cape? |
| [02:42:13] | mattwj2002: | :P |
| [02:42:14] | taylorr: | sphery: I got it working thanks |
| [02:42:24] | mattwj2002: | does it fly? |
| [02:43:01] | sphery: | does it blend? |
| [02:43:06] | wagnerrp: | most electrolytic capacitors have capacitance in the micro or millifarad range |
| [02:43:16] | wagnerrp: | with some gigantic ones in the low farad range |
| [02:43:17] | taylorr: | sphery: added subtitle LIKE '%Pilot%' AND program.hdtv > 0 |
| [02:43:34] | mattwj2002: | right |
| [02:43:37] | wagnerrp: | supercaps of the same size are 100x denser |
| [02:43:43] | taylorr: | sphery: otherwise it had way too many hits |
| [02:43:59] | wagnerrp: | the little things you have on the power filtering circuitry on your motherboard might be a couple farads each |
| [02:44:13] | sphery: | taylorr: cool |
| [02:44:46] | mattwj2002: | couple farads? O_o |
| [02:44:49] | sphery: | I've wondered how many there are with subtitle != Pilot that I've missed... |
| [02:45:03] | mattwj2002: | charge and throw at someone? |
| [02:45:17] | ** mattwj2002 throws one at xris ** | |
| [02:45:27] | sphery: | btw, just have to link... http://willitblend.com/ |
| [02:46:18] | mattwj2002: | I love those videos |
| [02:46:23] | mattwj2002: | have you seen the iPad one? |
| [02:46:57] | wagnerrp: | is there something in particular you want us to see? or did you just come across that page? |
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| [02:47:26] | sphery: | just linking it because of the "does it have a cape/fly/blend" above |
| [02:47:33] | mattwj2002: | no I just mean it was cool |
| [02:47:51] | taylorr: | sphery: yes, some pilots don't use pilot but if you don't require Pilot in the subtitle then you will record a ton of shows |
| [02:48:05] | sphery: | yeah |
| [02:48:44] | mattwj2002: | Family Guy I believe is an example |
| [02:49:01] | mattwj2002: | they had an actual name for their pilot episode |
| [02:49:07] | mattwj2002: | one second I'll find it |
| [02:49:57] | mattwj2002: | Death has a shadow |
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| [03:06:21] | wagnerrp: | HAHAHAHA |
| [03:06:25] | wagnerrp: | 'put it back!' |
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| [03:06:51] | [R]: | that's what she said? |
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| [03:07:10] | wagnerrp: | http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /321197.html |
| [03:07:35] | [R]: | rofl |
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| [08:39:06] | swos-: | i want to clone my PVR's Harddrive; but target drive is bigger: what is best way to do this |
| [08:40:47] | justinh: | what is best way? try google |
| [08:41:32] | justinh: | or don't use dd. make a new fs on the new hdd, mount it & rsync |
| [08:45:23] | justinh: | you're welcome. have a nice day |
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| [09:34:29] | swos-: | i want to clone my PVR's Harddrive; but target drive is bigger: what is best way to do this in windows |
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| [10:48:50] | justinh: | swos-: in windows? LOL. wrong channel |
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| [11:03:52] | k-man: | how much does ccache cache? or how does it decide when to delete old things? |
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| [11:37:16] | k-man: | what is the procedure for setting up a dummy tuner? |
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| [11:41:49] | justinh: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Dummy_Tuner ? |
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| [11:43:39] | k-man: | as it happens I can;t get that far – I get this error in mythtv-setup: http://pastie.org/2567994 |
| [11:44:30] | k-man: | and mythtv hangs at that point |
| [11:44:34] | k-man: | or at least, the gui does |
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| [11:45:30] | justinh: | it's never been officially supported though... |
| [11:46:07] | k-man: | what hasn't? |
| [11:46:13] | justinh: | bet it also hasn't been tested on a mac either |
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| [11:46:19] | justinh: | dummy tuners... |
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| [11:47:05] | k-man: | hmmm |
| [11:48:21] | k-man: | well my little plan of making a mac homebrew formula is turning into a major project |
| [11:48:29] | justinh: | infact is MBE even supported on a mac? |
| [11:48:37] | k-man: | what is MBE? |
| [11:48:45] | k-man: | mythbackend? |
| [11:49:31] | justinh: | yes |
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| [11:51:04] | k-man: | well on the osx page on the wiki it does not say it is not supported |
| [11:51:35] | justinh: | also bear in mind that if you're using master, some stuff may not work |
| [11:52:01] | justinh: | I need to look at the tickets open on master actually, to help me decide whether or not to switch |
| [11:52:22] | justinh: | see if I can balance the need for deadlock-free mythtv with whatever bugs I might run into |
| [11:52:52] | k-man: | justinh, well, at least on my homebrew compile, mythtv-setup is very broken |
| [11:53:07] | k-man: | as soon as you enter a menu to freezes |
| [11:56:05] | k-man: | hmm... what is megazoomer anyway? |
| [11:56:18] | k-man: | some sort of program to switch to full screen |
| [11:59:57] | ** justinh now wonders if he has activeEIT enabled ** | |
| [12:01:06] | justinh: | ahhh |
| [12:01:22] | justinh: | I think I do more than enough recording daily to make active eit scans pretty redundant |
| [12:03:09] | sid3windr: | only if you do recording ;> |
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| [12:51:34] | k-man: | so when I try and create a new db using master, I get some errors: http://pastie.org/2568283 |
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| [12:51:39] | grimeton: | hi |
| [12:51:52] | grimeton: | is mythtv able to stream tv from a dvb usb stick ? |
| [12:54:02] | k-man: | grimeton, do you mean can it use a DVB usb receiver for watching and recording live tv? |
| [12:55:16] | k-man: | sphery, have you any idea what might be causing this db error I'm getting? http://pastie.org/2568283 |
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| [12:57:39] | stuartm: | generally speaking a GF 210 with both HDMI and DVI output allows both to be used at the same time? My current IGP only allows one or the other, not both |
| [12:59:39] | grimeton: | k-man: yeah – i'm looking for something with a webui that allows me to watch tv over my home network |
| [12:59:55] | grimeton: | k-man: i could just stream the h.264 stream, but i want to change channels and stuff |
| [13:04:54] | k-man: | grimeton, I don't believe mythtv will let you stream live tv over it's web interface, allowing you to change channels etc (although i could be wrong on that point), but you can schedule recordings and stream them over the web interface |
| [13:05:28] | k-man: | s/will let you/is able to/ |
| [13:08:23] | grimeton: | k-man hm ok |
| [13:08:26] | grimeton: | thx |
| [13:10:16] | grimeton: | i guess the biggest problem will be the CAM stuff to make the encrypted channels work (i own an abo) |
| [13:10:47] | stuartm: | the web streaming stuff is underdeveloped, a proof of concept that was abandoned, there's actually no reason why you shouldn't be able to use livetv from the flash player if the realtime decoding is sorted out |
| [13:12:44] | stuartm: | i.e. the technical hurdle is that realtime decoding/re-encoding to a low bitrate format needs to be implemented as an integral part of mythbackend and you'd also need hardware fast enough to perform that transcode |
| [13:13:28] | grimeton: | hm yeah |
| [13:13:52] | grimeton: | i'm thinking of just streaming the plain h.264 stream without recoding (it's just local in the house) |
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| [13:50:42] | peque1: | Hey guys. I'm using a Debian as distro on my MythTV setup – 1 MBE and 4FE – and allso on the frontends are using Debian wheezy. As windows manager I'm using Fluxbox and gdm3. My keyboards works perfectly under normal use – but not while starting MythTV. The start of MythTV runs perfectly – but can not do anything when first Mythfrontend is started ! An ideas of this problem! |
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| [13:55:40] | justinh: | grimeton: just streaming? then use vlc or something not mythtv :) |
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| [14:08:18] | k-man: | peque1, could it be that mythfrontend does not have focus? |
| [14:09:21] | peque1: | You mean focus on the windows – but then should ALT+TAB work – and it dosn't |
| [14:09:42] | k-man: | I'm not familiar with fluxbox's method for changing focus |
| [14:10:12] | peque1: | Well it'll work that way when I have open 2 console |
| [14:10:16] | k-man: | peque1, does it only not accept keys for a short time? and then starts working? |
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| [14:11:09] | peque1: | No – it doesn't work at all – (only through SSH) but cannot close mythfrontend agan (unless through SSH) og hitting the powerbuttom |
| [14:11:27] | k-man: | sounds like a focus issue to me |
| [14:12:24] | peque1: | I've tried it now for 3different ASUS EEE B202, but everything works fine on my MBE or on my ION |
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| [14:32:04] | Roed: | Hi, i have just installed a new mythbuntu with a dvb-c tuner. All channels are located and working but the EPG doesn't, I have h |
| [14:33:19] | Roed: | I have selected EIT and active scanning.. If someone could help me I would be very appreciative.. Thanks |
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| [15:23:04] | ** iamlindoro wonders how the "MythMobile" guy is pulling in all the video metadata and artwork ** | |
| [15:23:20] | iamlindoro: | My guess is that he's not using the built in services API stuff to request it nicely, and resized |
| [15:23:28] | iamlindoro: | but is instead hacking the values out of the DB |
| [15:24:38] | wagnerrp: | well that is the model mythweb has set |
| [15:24:41] | sid3windr: | to the mythmobile! |
| [15:25:05] | wagnerrp: | does it look like a large bulbous armored bus? |
| [15:25:15] | sid3windr: | :D |
| [15:25:28] | sid3windr: | it's got 12 wheels but none are round! |
| [15:25:34] | sid3windr: | and very hard to start the engine |
| [15:25:43] | sid3windr: | but once it's on its way it can ram through anything ;) |
| [15:26:11] | iamlindoro: | Sounds like Mystery Men |
| [15:26:23] | wagnerrp: | Mythtery Men! |
| [15:26:38] | wagnerrp: | its like Mystery Men, but everyone talks with a lisp |
| [15:26:49] | iamlindoro: | $sql = "select basename,UNIX_TIMESTAMP(starttime) as unixstarttime,chanid,(select c.channum from channel c where c.chanid = recorded.chanid) as channum,date_format(starttime,'%a %b %D, %l:%i %p') as starttime,date_format(endtime,'%l:%i %p') as endtime,title,subtitle,description,watched from recorded where chanid=".$_GET['chanid']." and unix_timestamp(starttime) = '".$_GET['starttime']."';"; |
| [15:26:52] | iamlindoro: | nom nom |
| [15:27:10] | iamlindoro: | Why use the queries built into mythweb when you can write your own? |
| [15:27:25] | sid3windr: | ?chanid=0%20%OR%1=1 |
| [15:27:27] | sid3windr: | whee |
| [15:27:31] | sid3windr: | ;> |
| [15:27:36] | wagnerrp: | been a while since ive touched php, but im certain thats not the correct way to do substitution in queries in that language |
| [15:27:40] | iamlindoro: | And why use the services API that gets you a nice lightweight JSON object for all this stuff, and can serve you all the image content, resized, when you can stream the whole thing and resize it on a mobile device? |
| [15:28:28] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: to be fair, its written for 0.24.1, where that option is significantly more limited |
| [15:28:43] | wagnerrp: | but then you could complain about doing development against the release version |
| [15:29:08] | iamlindoro: | I am tempted to write a proper ipad app |
| [15:29:14] | iamlindoro: | which uses Services |
| [15:29:26] | iamlindoro: | Could be accomplished in a week |
| [15:29:47] | iamlindoro: | And I already wrote a Myth Utility Framework for Cocoa last weekend that implements services, at least partially |
| [15:30:45] | iamlindoro: | Queries services and translates JSON results into Cocoa objects-- basically a native Cocoa library for accessing a myth backend properly |
| [15:31:33] | wagnerrp: | yeah, when i wrote the python bindings, the data model was very much centered around the database |
| [15:31:50] | wagnerrp: | its going to require considerable changes if everything is to move into the proto and services |
| [15:32:39] | iamlindoro: | I need to add a CaptureCard service to add, remove, and modify capture devices in order to finish my little Prime for Mac OS X setup app |
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| [15:35:46] | Hoochster: | need Android app iamlindoro :) |
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| [15:44:52] | iamlindoro: | So write one, the services API is already enough to do what most people want ;) |
| [15:45:07] | Hoochster: | if only I could program! :) |
| [15:45:18] | iamlindoro: | Then you don't need it, you want it;) |
| [15:45:22] | iamlindoro: | If you needed it, you'd learn! |
| [15:45:31] | Hoochster: | lmao |
| [15:45:33] | Hoochster: | true |
| [15:45:50] | iamlindoro: | Take me-- I needed television show support in MythVideo |
| [15:45:54] | iamlindoro: | and the rest is history |
| [15:46:03] | Hoochster: | hehe |
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| [15:46:48] | wagnerrp: | i wanted to move my recordings into mythvideo, but didnt want to use his mechanism that blocked the UI for several minutes |
| [15:47:09] | wagnerrp: | followed by something along the lines of "fix it or stop complaining" |
| [15:47:12] | iamlindoro: | In fairness, that thing was just a hack, I never committed it |
| [15:47:19] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [15:47:24] | iamlindoro: | And if I wrote it now it wouldn't do that |
| [15:47:57] | Hoochster: | hacks are great till a hack becomes a hack on top of the previous hack etc etc heh |
| [15:48:06] | iamlindoro: | now there would be a busy indicator while it blocked the UI for several minutes! |
| [15:48:07] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [15:50:01] | wagnerrp: | LNBs drop the frequency to .95–2.1GHz... is that so it can coexist with broadcast television? |
| [15:50:46] | iamlindoro: | I imagine it's so the transmission method (cabling) is compatible |
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| [17:31:14] | qwebirc48134: | Question about "Waited 100ms for video buffers" messages in mythfrontend.log file....these started showing up after an upgrade to Myth 0.24....my audio and video seem to be fine but my log file is full of them....any ideas? |
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| [18:36:39] | FabriceMG: | wagnerrp, iamlindoro, If I delete ~/.mythtv/themecache directory, What is the method to display the fanart in the frontend? |
| [18:36:54] | wagnerrp: | what do you mean? |
| [18:37:21] | wagnerrp: | the themecache is just a local cache of content scaled to the current resolution of the UI |
| [18:37:30] | FabriceMG: | after delete, no fanart .... in the frontend |
| [18:37:48] | wagnerrp: | if you remove it, the UI will just take slightly longer to display the content, as it will have to pull it out of the theme, or from the backend, and scale it first |
| [18:39:16] | FabriceMG: | hum, not sure |
| [18:39:37] | wagnerrp: | thats all the theme cache is, pre-scaled content that the UI libraries can pull from |
| [18:40:11] | FabriceMG: | ok for that |
| [18:40:30] | wagnerrp: | fanart is stored on the backend, in the storage groups defined in mythtv-setup |
| [18:40:40] | FabriceMG: | yep |
| [18:40:50] | wagnerrp: | when the frontend needs it, it pulls it from the backend, scales it, and caches it in the themecache |
| [18:41:29] | FabriceMG: | but the frontend don't call the picture sometime |
| [18:41:43] | wagnerrp: | only if the picture doesnt exist to be called |
| [18:42:07] | FabriceMG: | the picture exist |
| [18:42:32] | wagnerrp: | on the backend, in the root of the fanart storage group, with the name specified in the database? |
| [18:43:41] | wagnerrp: | note that if you have multiple backends, it must be on the one that stores the video as well |
| [18:43:59] | wagnerrp: | generally, the user should not have to see any of this information |
| [18:44:11] | FabriceMG: | I have not explored into the database |
| [18:44:13] | wagnerrp: | the metadata grabber scripts specify a URL to pull the image from |
| [18:44:31] | wagnerrp: | and the frontend or backend decides where to store the image, and places it there on its own |
| [18:45:48] | FabriceMG: | If i want to delete all fanart , coverart, .... for make test with my script |
| [18:46:26] | FabriceMG: | what do i delete? |
| [18:46:59] | FabriceMG: | for reset all metadata |
| [18:47:21] | FabriceMG: | hehe , big question ! |
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| [19:02:45] | wagnerrp: | just move all your files elsewhere, and rescan |
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| [19:10:50] | FabriceMG: | I have make this and mythmetedatalookup --refresh-all , but only 2 fanart downloaded, before 80% of 288 records have fanart |
| [19:12:42] | dekarl: | wagnerrp: should one do something special when switching out metadata grabbers? like clean out all inetrefs or similar? |
| [19:13:00] | wagnerrp: | dekarl: thats an interesting question |
| [19:13:32] | wagnerrp: | one with no real answer at the moment |
| [19:13:41] | wagnerrp: | as its not something weve had to deal with as of yet |
| [19:14:11] | dekarl: | FabriceMG: 80% with fanart, was that with the tvdb/tmdb grabbers and now it's only 2 with the allocine grabbers? |
| [19:14:37] | wagnerrp: | does allocine simply not have the artwork to give? |
| [19:14:39] | FabriceMG: | no alway on tvdb/tmdb |
| [19:14:46] | dekarl: | I'm wondering what will happen when you refresh with allocine but still hacing the old inetrefs in place |
| [19:15:01] | wagnerrp: | if he remove the content, scanned, moved it back, and scanned again |
| [19:15:05] | dekarl: | ohh ok. because tmdb has fallback for imdb inetrefs IIRC |
| [19:15:10] | wagnerrp: | all metadata for all those files have been wiped |
| [19:15:12] | FabriceMG: | for the moment only on thetvdb... |
| [19:15:33] | wagnerrp: | tmdb does have fallbacks, but only in the event someone has defined the imdbid on the tmdb website |
| [19:16:22] | ** dekarl would appreciate tvbrainz ;) ** | |
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| [19:17:15] | FabriceMG: | I think there is something to do in the database |
| [19:17:40] | wagnerrp: | the metadata grabbers dont touch the database |
| [19:17:52] | wagnerrp: | its all a function of what data they provide to the grabber interface |
| [19:17:59] | wagnerrp: | the grabber interface manages all database transactions |
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| [19:18:11] | dekarl: | which database? mythtv's or thetvdb? |
| [19:18:32] | FabriceMG: | mythconverg |
| [19:19:12] | dekarl: | does the grabber get called with the correct language setting? I vaguely remember reading something about that last week |
| [19:20:05] | dekarl: | We are talking about getting artwork for original french series/movies, correct? |
| [19:20:11] | FabriceMG: | wagnerrp, I write inetref field in recorded table |
| [19:20:38] | wagnerrp: | the recorded table has nothing to do with mythvideo |
| [19:21:08] | wagnerrp: | ah, right... youre running mythmetadatalookup |
| [19:21:18] | wagnerrp: | that only does recordings, it doesnt touch video content |
| [19:21:30] | FabriceMG: | wagnerrp, yep |
| [19:21:30] | wagnerrp: | so if you wiped your video tables by scanning without any content |
| [19:21:40] | wagnerrp: | running mythmetadatalookup wouldnt do anything |
| [19:24:30] | FabriceMG: | mythmetadata work only on recordings , right or wrong? |
| [19:24:46] | dekarl: | I'm just running it on my backend, the log shows all hits |
| [19:25:10] | FabriceMG: | mythmetadatalookup* |
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| [19:26:39] | wagnerrp: | mythmetadatalookup only operates on recordings |
| [19:26:53] | wagnerrp: | for video content, use the batch loader from the 'm' menu in 'watch videos' |
| [19:27:16] | wagnerrp: | or, enable it so batch processing gets run when you scan for content |
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| [19:33:56] | FabriceMG: | scan enable (with orignal script of mythtv), delete theme cache, all file in strorage group fanart.... (saturday), and today , only 2 fanart downloaded, |
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| [21:27:51] | quicksilver: | is it possible to upgrade straight from 0.21 to 0.24.1? |
| [21:27:59] | quicksilver: | presumably the main thing is the DB migration... |
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| [21:58:16] | skd5aner: | quicksilver: yes, you can upgrade over multiple revisions |
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| [22:00:53] | skd5aner: | or, I should say, you can upgrade from a multiple-version's old release to a later/latest release without worrying about incrementally upgrading |
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| [22:02:56] | justinh: | can't help but wonder where folks will draw the line though |
| [22:03:14] | skd5aner: | ? |
| [22:04:15] | skd5aner: | brb |
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| [22:04:27] | justinh: | like now, you could probably arrive from mythtv 0.14 & update to 0.24 without problems |
| [22:04:43] | justinh: | *in theory |
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| [22:05:13] | justinh: | but at some point surely somebody is going to have to call time on old version update-ability :-) |
| [22:05:32] | justinh: | like now, you could probably arrive from mythtv 0.14 & update to 0.24 without problems – for your benefit skd5aner :) |
| [22:05:59] | justinh: | all the schema checks in the code.. I wonder how far back they do actually go |
| [22:06:11] | skd5aner: | Well, I suppose that would depend on a massive DB architecture change? |
| [22:06:51] | justinh: | I don't think there've ever been changes on the sort of scale that would affect something like that |
| [22:07:16] | skd5aner: | yea – but maybe if the embedded idea ever takes place... or if they switch away from mysql or something |
| [22:07:46] | justinh: | heh. I somehow doubt that's ever gonna happen.. until the big fans of the big ugly SQ leave or die |
| [22:08:13] | justinh: | er.. I mean massive advocates of the powerful scheduler ;) |
| [22:09:05] | skd5aner: | anyone here use xchat for windows? |
| [22:09:31] | ** justinh just ssh's in & uses irssi under screen ** | |
| [22:09:48] | skd5aner: | I can't seem to get the spell check to work |
| [22:10:09] | skd5aner: | and I'm lazy and rely on it too much anymore (and sometimes my KVM eats keystrokes :/) |
| [22:11:56] | skd5aner: | brb, let me restart the client again |
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| [22:16:54] | wagnerrp: | justinh: the idea is embedded sql, not something like sqlite |
| [22:17:03] | wagnerrp: | *embedded mysql |
| [22:18:23] | westlock3: | Is 500 MiB/sec fast for network attached storage? |
| [22:19:14] | wagnerrp: | no, thats impossible for network attached storage |
| [22:19:17] | wagnerrp: | for all consumer forms of network |
| [22:21:15] | stuartm: | and all HDD for that matter (excluding whatever funky raid configurations you might feasibly create) |
| [22:22:03] | kormoc: | newest ten SSD's are peeking at around there |
| [22:22:23] | kormoc: | (with sata3 controllers, and a few sacrificial goats) |
| [22:22:31] | wagnerrp: | only the larger, more expensive, and SATA3 versions |
| [22:23:03] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, they're fairly reasonable. $450 for 240 gigs is a lot better then it used to be |
| [22:24:07] | westlock3: | Yeah ssd is still quite expensive to go replacing 30 or 40 1TB drives with. |
| [22:24:08] | wagnerrp: | reasonable for commercial users who need 240GB of data available instantly |
| [22:24:32] | ** kormoc peers at his laptop with the 240 gig sad in it ** | |
| [22:24:38] | kormoc: | Yeah? commercial users... |
| [22:24:48] | wagnerrp: | and the clinically insane |
| [22:24:50] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [22:24:50] | stuartm: | yet still considerably more than $100 for 2TB (or whatever 2TB is selling for right now in the US) |
| [22:24:55] | kormoc: | There we go! :) |
| [22:25:13] | wagnerrp: | $70 for one of the slow ones |
| [22:25:24] | wagnerrp: | the 7200rpm ones are dropping down close to $100 |
| [22:26:47] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: figures, cheapest here are £60, or around the $100 mark |
| [22:27:05] | skd5aner: | kormoc: at $450 for 240GB, that puts it at the Feb 2000 HD prices of ~1.8 cents per MB |
| [22:27:52] | stuartm: | skd5aner: heh, that's a neat metric – SSDs are 11 years behind HDDs :) |
| [22:28:10] | skd5aner: | heh – other factors not included... just price per storage space |
| [22:28:12] | skd5aner: | :) |
| [22:28:26] | westlock3: | Here is my NAS doing rougly 500 MiB/s. www.ioio.ca/Lustre/snapshot7.png |
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| [22:29:44] | wagnerrp: | are you just copying files around between different virtual machines on the same host? |
| [22:30:17] | stuartm: | very few people actually need that speed for that amount of storage, you want the speed for frequently accessed files, a few GB is more than enough for that with larger HDDs for long term storage |
| [22:30:27] | kormoc: | westlock3, I see a progress window showing 22.9 KB/s and 11.0 KB/s? |
| [22:30:44] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: check the network history monitor |
| [22:31:00] | westlock3: | There are from snapshot1–10.png in that directory. 192.168.0.7 192.168.0.13 192.168.0.19 are raid10 external journalized ext4 Lustre filesystems while 192.168.0.10 is the combined mgs/mdt. I hit it with everything I had mostly. |
| [22:31:51] | wagnerrp: | i thought lustre ran on top of ZFS |
| [22:32:29] | wagnerrp: | no, Sun was just planning on going that direction |
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| [22:32:35] | westlock3: | No Sun has ambitions to mold it as such but it has only adopted zpools so far and split from Sun. |
| [22:33:58] | wagnerrp: | in any case, since youre clearly exceeding the limits of gigabit, and running at least channel bonding, you could claim that is slow |
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| [22:34:29] | wagnerrp: | but having no idea how anything is set up, its hard to say whether thats a good value |
| [22:35:05] | wagnerrp: | and when you start throwing around things like 'lustre', you no longer have anything you can call a 'nas' |
| [22:35:15] | wagnerrp: | the spelling is backwards |
| [22:35:24] | westlock3: | I ran about 20 dd if=/dev/zero of=/mnt/ioio/ten.out bs=4MB from six different clients against it in varying ranges of block size. |
| [22:36:37] | westlock3: | At any rate I thought I would put the heads up to the mythtv crowd that you can do NAS with luster on a single machine :) |
| [22:36:45] | westlock3: | I've been using it for years. |
| [22:37:03] | wagnerrp: | but if you only have a single machine, why mess with the complexity of lustre? |
| [22:37:14] | wagnerrp: | the whole point is that you have multiple storage backends |
| [22:37:15] | westlock3: | No storage groups here or mount points. |
| [22:37:25] | wagnerrp: | its a software SAN |
| [22:38:00] | wagnerrp: | it you just have a single NAS, then stick with NFS, or just let mythtv stream stuff |
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| [22:41:07] | westlock3: | Anyway the two seem to rock and roll very well together. With mythtv I've finally found a real purpose for my investment. Wanted to say thanks. |
| [22:41:57] | wagnerrp: | im still curious as to what networking gear you have that will push several gigabit |
| [22:45:29] | sid3windr: | hehe |
| [22:45:32] | westlock3: | I'm still confused by the actual numbers I'm doing. It is heavily bonded gigE with a layer 3 switch. |
| [22:45:44] | sid3windr: | looks like at least 4 gigE's then |
| [22:46:08] | wagnerrp: | much more than 4, id say 6, maybe 8 |
| [22:46:18] | wagnerrp: | with at least two channels to each machine |
| [22:46:30] | westlock3: | Yes on my gateway machines there are 4 gigE bonded together in bond1 and 2 gigE in bond0 |
| [22:46:34] | ** sid3windr only saw the 500MB/sec ** | |
| [22:46:39] | AndyCap: | heh, only 1000$ for a 10GB pcie card. I remember wanting 10;b for something like that |
| [22:46:48] | AndyCap: | mb.. |
| [22:47:04] | wagnerrp: | $1000? rather pricey... last i checked you could find NICs for under $500 |
| [22:47:36] | AndyCap: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833708008 |
| [22:47:38] | wagnerrp: | and maybe $100-$200 per port on a switch |
| [22:48:03] | wagnerrp: | thats two channel |
| [22:48:19] | AndyCap: | yep |
| [22:48:29] | wagnerrp: | so <$500 per channel |
| [22:48:33] | westlock3: | Nice. |
| [22:49:03] | ** AndyCap is more than happy with his dirt cheap 1GB gear though. ** | |
| [22:49:16] | westlock3: | Getting the pipe to make it all worth it priceless. |
| [22:49:17] | AndyCap: | hohum. 1Gbit that is. |
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