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Tuesday, September 20th, 2011, 00:23 UTC

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Staticwave_Ace:

wagnerrp: ah, so no automated method

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wagnerrp:

not in mythtv

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wagnerrp:

there have been some scripts that do something similar with mplayer in the past

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Staticwave_Ace:

okay so I different question then, I have auto commercial flagging on all my recordings... but it's not running

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Staticwave_Ace:

that I can tell anyways

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Staticwave_Ace:

no commflag in mythbackend.log

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Staticwave_Ace:

hrm, I see it there actually

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Staticwave_Ace:

it's just not finding any breaks

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wagnerrp:

theres a ticket open currently that says mythcommflag is not properly accessing the video, resulting in improper commflagging

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wagnerrp:

its a fairly simple patch if you want to give it a try

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Staticwave_Ace:

hrm, link?

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wagnerrp:

http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/9997

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Staticwave_Ace:

thanks

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wjs_port:

hello, has anybody gotten one of these hdmi to component converters to work?

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wagnerrp:

like... the HDFury?

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wjs_port:

same kind of thing, $100 amazon

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wagnerrp:

why bother? just get time warner to give you a box with component outputs

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wjs_port:

not for cable. pc only has hdmi. tv only component

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wagnerrp:

so buy a different video card

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wagnerrp:

much cheaper

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wjs_port:

ion box with component ?

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wagnerrp:

get a real computer

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wjs_port:

:)

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wjs_port:

be back later

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wjs_port:

the

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wagnerrp:

sphery: yeah... im thinking no on the two and a half men reboot

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wagnerrp:

the last season or two wasnt that spectacular, and its just continuing the downward spiral

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mattwj2002:

well everyone

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mattwj2002:

I got my booster and cables

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mattwj2002:

my signal quality and symbol quality is a solid 100%

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mattwj2002:

:D

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mattwj2002:

signal strenght is only like 90 to 91%

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wagnerrp:

signal strength is largely meaningless, due to the large range of different meanings different cards give

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mattwj2002:

yeah I am get artifacts

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mattwj2002:

:(

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mattwj2002:

on certain channels

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wjs_tab:

to continue my request.. what low profile vdpau capabile component card would you recomend?

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[R]:

component card?

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wjs_tab:

component video instead of hdmi

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wagnerrp:

your ION box has a PCIe x16 slot?

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[R]:

pretty sure no vdpau cards do analog

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Korny1:

hmmm wonder if a 8400gs on a pci express x1 could do vdpau.....

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wagnerrp:

sure they do, 8 and 9 series generally came with component outputs

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[R]:

8400 does vdpau just fine

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[R]:

hrm...

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wagnerrp:

and i was corrected, some guy had a 275 in here the other day with component/svideo outputs

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[R]:

really, crazy

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** Korny1 wants to use his 16x slot for a HD controller eventually **

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[R]:

what is an hd controller?

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wjs_tab:

the box that takes cards is an asus board, not the ions

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wagnerrp:

drive controller

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[R]:

oh, lol

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wagnerrp:

x16 is overkill for (nearly) any drive controller

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sphery:

tgm4883: yes, that page--thanks

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Korny1:

but x1 is the bottleneck with 8 drives :/

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wagnerrp:

youre going to be hard pressed to find any PCIe x1 graphics cards

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wagnerrp:

there will be a couple expensive 4-display quadro cards

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Korny1:

wagnerrp: I got 1 actually :P

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sphery:

k-man: did you figure out your new db issues?

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wagnerrp:

and i think zotac may have a 9400M-based x1 card

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wagnerrp:

but thats about it

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Korny1:

JATON Video-PX628GS-LP1 GeForce 8400 GS 512MB 64-bit DDR2 PCI Express x1 Low Profile Ready Video Card

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Korny1:

passive cooling as well

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wagnerrp:

double thickness?

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sphery:

tgm4883: ah, looks like superm1 updated the file name--did you guys need to update the permissions/ownership of files, too?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: pizza? fries?

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Korny1:

oh nm

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wagnerrp:

sphery: see the video, last 10 seconds or so in particular

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Korny1:

no dvi or hdmi :P

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sphery:

oh, a video someone linked around that time?

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wagnerrp:

a video i linked

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Korny1:

I really wish ati graphics didn't look so horrible on my computer :/

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wagnerrp:

if you french fry when youre supposed to pizza, youre not going to have a good time

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wagnerrp:

from your email, you werent having a good time

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sphery:

wagnerrp: good to know about 2 1/2... I was almost at the point of disabling that rule before the whole fiasco, so I'm really ready to stop recording it

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[R]:

wagnerrp: LOL

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sphery:

hmmm... this video requires Flash 10 or later, so my 11beta isn't working

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sphery:

would be /so/ nice if Adobe would actually release a 64-bit flash

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wagnerrp:

theyre at ski school

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wagnerrp:

pizza is when your skis are wedged and you go slow

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wagnerrp:

french fry is when they are straight and you go fast

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sphery:

oh, wait, it is working

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sphery:

it's just way slow on this 'net

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[R]:

wagnerrp: did you just discover that episode or something?

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sphery:

ah, funny

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sphery:

makes a /lot/ more sense, now

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wagnerrp:

no, i havent seen that episode in about 10 years

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[R]:

lol

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sphery:

yeah, thanks for the summary--no way the video will work on this net

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sphery:

the big downside of free internet service

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mag0o:

what's that hd video clip always used for testing hardware, it's an open source movie clip i believe...

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Korny1:

hmmm thats just lovely, tried High quality on my servers front end..... now I have a complete back screen after exiting the TV show lol

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sphery:

Big Buck Bunny?

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sphery:

Elephant's Dream?

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[R]:

mag0o: elephant's dream?

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Korny1:

ANd secret key combos I should know

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mag0o:

ah, yes! thanks

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** sphery forgets the new one **

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Korny1:

rather *any

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sphery:

(which was actually a good one...)

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sphery:

much better than Elephant's Dream--which was weird and twisted

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sphery:

there's an R in it somewhere

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wagnerrp:

sphery: well you didnt see the meaningful part

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wagnerrp:

kyles little brother french fried when he should have pizza'd, and smacked into a building

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wagnerrp:

he didnt have a good time

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sphery:

hehe

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sphery:

I figured there was a crash of some sort

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sphery:

btw, did you see Bill Meek's latest post about mfdb?

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wagnerrp:

ah crap!

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wagnerrp:

i left that in there didnt i...

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wagnerrp:

son of a....

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sphery:

you were just checking to see if mfdb is still useful to anyone, I presume

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wagnerrp:

hehe

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sphery:

seems it is, so we'll have to keep it

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wagnerrp:

i was running on an install with no database

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wagnerrp:

so i was just testing to make sure the parameters were loading properly and terminating

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wagnerrp:

i removed all the print statements

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wagnerrp:

but apparently left that in there

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sphery:

I love the discussions on the list that go something like this, "My Atom box is perfect except <something>", "They make other Atom systems with <hardware to support the 'except'>", "But that's more expensive than I pay for my Atom systems"

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sphery:

it's strange--almost as if you get what you pay for...

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Korny1:

I dunno my atom boxes do what I ask of em but know thier limitations

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k-man:

sphery, yeah thanks – not sure what the issue was, but dropping the db and user and starting again from scratch and it worked fine

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sphery:

ah, maybe it was just bad grants or something

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sphery:

you know, maybe one of them was in a car and the police found him

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k-man:

sphery, possibly, or maybe I started the the be and then the fe before the backend had finished doings its thing and they got into a lock situation

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k-man:

as when I was fiddling around dropping the db hung until I realised I hadn't quit the fe and be. once I killed them off, the db dropped and everything started working

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k-man:

anyway, I think it was a user issue, not the software

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sphery:

glad you got it working

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sphery:

wagnerrp: does myth_system() allow specifying a nice level?

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wagnerrp:

not through the helper function

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sphery:

seems we use myth_nice() for jobqueue

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wagnerrp:

i dont recall if you can through the system instance

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wagnerrp:

if you want, we could add a Set[IO]Nice to mythsystem.h

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wagnerrp:

pass it through to the private functions to set it when the command runs

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sphery:

yeah... myth_nice() should work, too, so either way

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wagnerrp:

otherwise, you nice the thread, and that value gets carried through to any process that thread spawns

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wagnerrp:

sphery: did you have a look at that screenshot?

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wagnerrp:

bah! beckett needs some sunglasses

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wagnerrp:

"looks like they found... a killer hiding place"

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sphery:

which screenshot?

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wagnerrp:

the one on the 'mythpreviewgen' thread that six hours and no one had wanted to touch

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sphery:

no, just looking now

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sphery:

that beckett line--was it from near the end of last season?

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sphery:

I think I may have just watched it last night

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wagnerrp:

kate

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wagnerrp:

tonight

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sphery:

oh, haven't watched tonight's

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sphery:

gotta wait a year for that

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sphery:

so, I assume he has top set to show threads not processes, right?

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sphery:

otherwise...

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wagnerrp:

thats rather absurd, but not what im talking about

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sphery:

what was it that scared everyone off hours ago?

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sphery:

(and why didn't you all warn me? :)

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wagnerrp:

one of the applications hes running

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sphery:

oh, just saw

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sphery:

wow

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wagnerrp:

which is apparently realtime priority

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sphery:

yeah, had I seen that, I wouldn't have replied

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wagnerrp:

i was going to make some off handed comment about is broken system running 6 mysqld instances and 5 mythbackend daemons... but apparently thats how htop displays things

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wagnerrp:

it shows each thread independently

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sphery:

heh, it's called htop? that's funny--guess what the key is to tell top to show all threads?

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wagnerrp:

h?

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rxKaffee:

htop is freaking awesome, I don't know why more distros don't include it by default. could even replace top in default installs, that'd be fine with me!

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sphery:

guess it makes sense, though... you can hit h when typing the command line to save you having to type H when the program is running :)

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wagnerrp:

rxKaffee: im sure there are some implications with it being a curses application

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sphery:

anyway, that's it for me... gotta get ready for work. later all.

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wagnerrp:

it can replace top in most situations, but not for low end repair duties

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wagnerrp:

get ready for?

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wagnerrp:

pulling night shift?

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sphery:

no, like prep some stuff

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rxKaffee:

I've got front and backend running on same box here, trying to get live tv viewing through my tv tuner card. I configured my card, video source, and connector. when I go to "watch tv" it says "Please ..." and sits there a while, then eventually dumps me back to the main menu

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rxKaffee:

I've got logs on pastebin.com but I'm not sure where one session ends and the next begins... but I'm thinking at "RingBuf(/var/lib/mythtv/livetv/1001_20110919220951.nuv) Error: OpenFile(): File too small (0B)." is where i'm having my problem

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wagnerrp:

well theres your problem, youre using a framegrabber

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wagnerrp:

:)

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rxKaffee:

i have no idea what that means or how it impacts the situation. just started with mythtv today

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wagnerrp:

if you have a .nuv file, that means you are leaving mythtv up to the encoding of recordings, rather than having a card that does it for you

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rxKaffee:

ah, well it is a fairly old and crappy-sounding card

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wagnerrp:

the card captures the frames, and stores them in a location in IO space, and mythtv must capture that and compress it in real time

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rxKaffee:

conexant CX23880

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wagnerrp:

as opposed to an mpeg encoder that does all the stuff on a chip onboard

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wagnerrp:

or digital tuners, that capture a stream compressed by the broadcaster

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rxKaffee:

what can i do to make this fellow work?

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wagnerrp:

youre in the US... capturing analog cable?

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wagnerrp:

in any case, the frontend just plays the content

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rxKaffee:

in US, trying to watch antenna tv

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wagnerrp:

it cant tell you why a recording failed

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wagnerrp:

we need to see the backend logs

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rxKaffee:

its an analog tv tuner, hooked to a digital tv converter box, which's hooked to my antenna

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rxKaffee:

backend's on there too

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wagnerrp:

eech...

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wagnerrp:

get a digital tuner

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wagnerrp:

mythbackend needs the ability to change channels

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wagnerrp:

which in that setup would require an IR blaster to control the converter box

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rxKaffee:

why can't I just use my dtv remote like with traditional TV setup?

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wagnerrp:

its not worth the hassle to set up when you can just get a digital tuner, and its doubly not worth the hassle trying to deal with a framegrabber

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wagnerrp:

do you want to record shows based off a schedule? or do you simply wish to watch tv on your computer?

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rxKaffee:

I might occasionally record a show, and I realise I'd have to pre-set the channel on my external hardware to do that

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rxKaffee:

but for now i just want to get the evening news

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wagnerrp:

right, thats not how mythtv is designed to work

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wagnerrp:

and for those instances, you would be better off using VLC or ffmpeg from the command line

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wagnerrp:

if you just want to watch stuff now, check out tvtime

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wagnerrp:

it just dumps the raw frames straight from your tuner buffer into your graphics buffer

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wagnerrp:

almost no setup needed

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rxKaffee:

if I use myth, i can pause and manipulate volume from the couch though

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wagnerrp:

sure, but then myth needs control of your tuner box

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rxKaffee:

as well as utilizing the weather center, and playing back video on the hard drive right?

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rxKaffee:

tuner box doesn't do volume

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rxKaffee:

*converter box

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wagnerrp:

to change channels

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rxKaffee:

I'm not concerned with channel changing

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wagnerrp:

mythtv is

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rxKaffee:

i probably only get 1.5channel here anyway

[03:34:38]

tgm4883:

Is there a way to remove a channel from a tuner if that tuner shares a video source with another tuner?

[03:34:42]

tgm4883:

Using 0.24-fixes

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rxKaffee:

so myth equally doesn't work for playback from external VHS/DVD players?

[03:35:11]

wagnerrp:

tgm4883: generally, if you have differing lineups, you have two different sources

[03:35:21]

wagnerrp:

rxKaffee: that is correct

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wagnerrp:

you can shoehorn mythtv into that purposes

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, generally yes, but I have two DVB tuners, one of the tuners won't tune channel 6, but the rest are the same

[03:35:42]

wagnerrp:

but it is absolutely the wrong tool for the job

[03:36:13]

tgm4883:

I don't believe I can have multiple sources pull from the same SD lineup can I ?

[03:36:21]

wagnerrp:

i dont know off hand what tool you could use that would offer just dumb time shifting on an input

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wagnerrp:

tgm4883: i dont see why not

[03:36:53]

wagnerrp:

you just cant have multiple SD lineups on the same service

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, I thought I had tried to do it before, let me try again

[03:37:14]

wagnerrp:

like if you wanted two independent cable lineups, you would have to pull them from two different counties

[03:41:17]

tgm4883:

hmm, i must have remembered incorrectly

[03:41:36]

tgm4883:

although I can't seem to pull down the channels from SD

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wagnerrp:

tgm4883: for digital tuners? you never could

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tgm4883:

wagnerrp, oh?

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tgm4883:

was it always scanning?

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wagnerrp:

thats the only flaw with the plan, you have to go through the hassle of manually setting those channels up a second time

[03:42:31]

wagnerrp:

always scanning

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tgm4883:

ah ok

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wagnerrp:

SD doesnt provide us enough data to pull digital channels

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tgm4883:

any harm in killing mythfilldatabase?

[03:43:05]

wagnerrp:

nope

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tgm4883:

I accidently ran it while exiting mythtv-setu

[03:43:34]

wagnerrp:

the worst that could happen, you just have to wipe the program table and start fresh

[03:43:48]

wagnerrp:

and you lose a recording or two until you do so

[03:44:01]

wagnerrp:

but considering you were in mythtv-setup, and mythtv-setup in mythbuntu terminates the backend

[03:44:09]

tgm4883:

yea

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wagnerrp:

i dont see the likelihood of that being high

[03:44:26]

tgm4883:

I've already lost a recording due to it being on that channel

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rxKaffee:

can my sigmatel STIr4200 be used as a blaster like you menitoned?

[03:44:50]

wagnerrp:

i dont know what that is

[03:45:02]

rxKaffee:

some usb irda dongle

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tgm4883:

I don't think i've ever figured out if I should be scanning hrc, irc, or cable high

[03:45:28]

wagnerrp:

mythtv just allows the use of an external script to change channels

[03:45:28]

wagnerrp:

it does not use IR transmitters directly

[03:45:33]

wagnerrp:

users have to script that manually using the lirc 'irsend' command

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wagnerrp:

or use someone else's script found on the internet

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wagnerrp:

nearly all IrDA dongles cannot be used for consumer IR

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rxKaffee:

for what reason? this thing has kernel modules autoloaded

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wagnerrp:

because they are not designed to speak that protocol

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rxKaffee:

what protocol do you mean? it looks like they act as a standard serial port from what I've seen of them

[03:57:42]

wagnerrp:

they act as a serial data port, which is very much different from a standard serial port

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rxKaffee:

what do I need to be looking for to determine if my dongle will be able to change channels (or recieve remote input) ?

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wagnerrp:

if it could, it would be advertised as a feature

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wagnerrp:

since that is non-standard functionality of IrDA devices that they would have had to intentionally add

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rxKaffee:

I got it years ago for like 5$ new, pretty sure its a soft-device

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wagnerrp:

http://www.lirc.org/irda.html

[04:00:42]

wagnerrp:

that last line is key

[04:01:31]

k-man:

so in my recent attempts to compile mythtv on mac osx, I found I got errors if I compiled using the default clang compiler

[04:01:37]

k-man:

is that a known issue?

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rxKaffee:

ah, NO usb dongles... so I guess i can't use it as a reciever either

[04:02:32]

wagnerrp:

not unless CIR support is specifically an intentional feature

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slickrick:

i reconfigured my capture cards (IVTV) and HDHR's recently. everything i thought was working fine. today i noticed i am not getting channels above 12 anymore on my IVTV analog cable cards. i looked through the settings in mythtv-setup but i don't see anything out of the ordinary.

[04:05:19]

wagnerrp:

is it possible rogers has simply removed analog channels above 12?

[04:05:57]

wagnerrp:

did you get your ivtv cards into broadcast mode, meaning channel 13 would now be channel 64?

[04:06:22]

wagnerrp:

NTSC broadcasts have a big chunk of spectrum missing that cable can use

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slickrick:

scary you remembered it was rogers ... but yes i am wondering if thats the case.

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wagnerrp:

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slickrick:

not sure what you mean by putting them into broadcast mode.

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[R]:

lol

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slickrick:

hah ... mystery solved.

[04:07:09]

wagnerrp:

as in, for some reason, mythtv is now using the wrong channel table

[04:09:23]

slickrick:

ah, i think that may be it.

[04:09:52]

slickrick:

i am going to try some of the other settings for channel freq table.

[04:12:29]

slickrick:

thanks ... that was it. switching it to us-cable fixed it.

[04:12:34]

slickrick:

thanks wagnerrp.

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rxKaffee:

CIR emulation through SIR has had code released since 1999... why the heck hasn't this meen implemented mainstream?

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wagnerrp:

because SIR/FIR really only comes on laptops

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wagnerrp:

and even then, not on anything produced in the last several years

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wagnerrp:

no one has used it since wireless networking became common

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wagnerrp:

and CIR transceivers are plentiful and cheap

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wagnerrp:

rxKaffee: i still say if you want to use mythtv, get a digital tuner

[04:17:47]

wagnerrp:

the $30-$50 you spend on one is worth every second you spend screwing around with recording from a framegrabber with an external tuner box

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rxKaffee:

unfortunately this is a 0budget project. otherwise I probably would have bought a small used lcd tv instead. nobody wants to trade even an old small lcd tv for a 26" CRT though and the 26" had to go

[04:26:53]

rxKaffee:

takes up too darn much room

[04:27:44]

rxKaffee:

the hardware I built the box from is all stuff I had in a storage closet

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rxKaffee:

oh, my dtv box does have a coax out option, will this do the trick?

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[R]:

if you want to cry everytime you watch the horrible horrible quality crap coming out of it

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wagnerrp:

no, it works just like the coax out on your VCR

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wagnerrp:

meaning it sticks to channel 3, and you still have to change channels on the tuner box

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rxKaffee:

[R]: the stations around here broadcast crap quality anyway

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wagnerrp:

thats because youre using analog

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rxKaffee:

I just erased an xbmc setup today when I discovered they didn't have any tv softawre built in, figured mythtv would be a sure bet lol

[04:45:38]

rxKaffee:

that tvtime thing you mentioned though, looks like it can be integrated into the xbmc interface without too much hackery

[04:46:16]

wagnerrp:

mythtv is designed for scheduled recording of tv, just like every other PVR

[04:46:27]

wagnerrp:

none of them would be convenient for what you want to do

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rxKaffee:

but I want to eventually schedule shows to record when I'm not home

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rxKaffee:

as well as pause when I have to go get more beer and so forth

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wagnerrp:

yes, and youre simply not going to get that without more hardware

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wagnerrp:

you can spend $5 on a home-built transmitter, $20-$30 on a commercial transmitter, or $30-$40 on a digital tuner

[04:49:20]

wagnerrp:

it just comes down to a question of how much your time is worth

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rxKaffee:

can I lie to mythtv and tell it I only get one channel?

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rxKaffee:

I really don't need it to change them for me

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rxKaffee:

all the shows worth recording come on CBS here anyway

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wagnerrp:

you can, and you can do manual time-based recordings

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wagnerrp:

but thats simply not the purpose of a PVR

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rxKaffee:

sounds good to me

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wagnerrp:

in any case, it comes back to the second thing i said, errors with recordings require the backend logs

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wagnerrp:

you gave an error from the frontend log

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rxKaffee:

oh, I missed the url to the my pastebin I guess

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rxKaffee:

http://pastebin.com/pWkBLTph

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rxKaffee:

backend's towards the bottom half, and goes to the end

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rxKaffee:

I'm not sure how many "runs" are in that log, so there could be fixed errors near the top

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rxKaffee:

one thing that looks like a problem is NVR(/dev/video0): Unknown video codec

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wagnerrp:

how are you capturing audio? does the tuner have its own audio device? or patch through from your sound card?

[04:57:54]

wagnerrp:

if you set the channel changer to /bin/true, it will squelch the channel changing issues

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wagnerrp:

if you have the power (and you almost certainly do), go into the recording profiles and have it use mpeg4 for livetv

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wagnerrp:

its in the frontend setup, tv settings

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rxKaffee:

tuner has an audio-in port thats connected to my converter box

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rxKaffee:

how do I decide upon width/height for encoding? "Image size"

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wagnerrp:

480 high, most people use 480 or 720 wide

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rxKaffee:

is that related to the "oversample" that I used in tvtime to scale video to my display at fullscreen?

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wagnerrp:

all analog tv is overscanned by around 10%

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wagnerrp:

you use the zoom modes in mythtv to compensate

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rxKaffee:

ah, has something built into the interface, nice

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rxKaffee:

I'll just go 480x480 here then I suppso

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rxKaffee:

will a p4 2.66ghz handle "high-quality" or 4MV encoding? or would these even be beneficial through an analog capture card?

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wagnerrp:

those are just different bitrate presets you can use

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rxKaffee:

ok, got that setup

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** xris kicks his cable signal quality. **

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xris:

I may have to dump the hdhr just to be able to record.

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rxKaffee:

I also set my start chan to 3

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rxKaffee:

i don't see anything that stands out as a fatal error, but I get black screen then goes back to main menu when playing tv http://pastebin.com/aYYbaNPc

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dekarl:

sphery, tgm4883: the permissions/ownership in the rsyslog config are simply ignored because the override is gone by the time the file is opened. Looks like a downside of the dynamic filename template

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dekarl:

rxKaffee: 2011-09–20 00:25:44.039 format_to_mode() does not recognize V4L1

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wagnerrp:

v4l1 issues should not be a problem with a sufficiently new version of mythtv

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wagnerrp:

i dont know if v0.24–243 is sufficiently new

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wagnerrp:

xris: too many splits?

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xris:

one run straight into a 4-port amp

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xris:

all splits should be capped with terminators

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xris:

well, 2 runs if you count the cable modem.

[05:41:41]

xris:

I'll ask the guy when he's out here tomorrow

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xris:

might as well get a diagnostic while he's here installing the cablecard

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wagnerrp:

i actually got a letter in the mail telling me i had uncapped lines

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dekarl:

wagnerrp: was the only thing that stood out between start and end of the recording

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xris:

wagnerrp: wow

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wagnerrp:

xris: apparently they had a tech out servicing the lines in the area

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xris:

I get confused with my wiring sometimes.. have both (now unused) sat lines as well as cable

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wagnerrp:

and they were about to tell i had uncapped lines by the reflections in the broadcast line

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xris:

the satellite used to run 2 wires to each jack, so when I switched to cable I had them leave the satellite jacks exposed

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xris:

huh

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rxKaffee:

ah ha, found an update with the v4l problem supposed to be patched

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hoolio:

what's an uncapped line?

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wagnerrp:

ever seen those little nubs you screw onto an outlet?

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wagnerrp:

http://www.cablesnmor.com/bnc-terminator-75ohm.aspx

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wagnerrp:

cable isnt just an electrical signal

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wagnerrp:

its an electromagnetic transmission line

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wagnerrp:

and RF behaves strangely

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wagnerrp:

if you leave an unterminated end, the signal will reflect, resulting in an echo on the line

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hoolio:

ah yep

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hoolio:

i know that from the pre ethernet days

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hoolio:

so.. why don't you just have some of those?

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wagnerrp:

the terminator is just a small resistor which shorts the conductor against the ground, canceling the echo, but preventing too much power draw on the system

[06:00:55]

wagnerrp:

because... i just dont have any of them

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wagnerrp:

never bothered to go down to radio shack and pick up a box of them

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hoolio:

ah coolo

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wagnerrp:

so their tech picked up an echo

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wagnerrp:

traced it back to my line

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hoolio:

here i was thinking you were hacking into the matrix and they were onto you ;)

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quicksilver:

anyone who was following my phantom keypresses issue yesterday it looks like it's a "known" issue with pinnacle pctv cards

[06:08:24]

quicksilver:

although quite what random signals it's picking up and why it started now after 3–4 years of working fine I have no idea.

[06:08:52]

quicksilver:

it appears the pinnacle pctv module injects key presses straight into the kernel rather than going via the lirc layer.

[06:09:15]

wagnerrp:

thats likely only recently with the new changes in lirc

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wagnerrp:

a lot more IR drivers are doing that now

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quicksilver:

but this is quite an old module

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quicksilver:

and an old kernel

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quicksilver:

it's a 2.6.24 kernel; it's at least as old as 2008

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quicksilver:

(because that's the modification date of the files!)

[06:12:11]

quicksilver:

still, trying a much newer kernel + modules seems like an easy way to try to fix it.

[06:12:25]

wagnerrp:

thats ancient

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quicksilver:

a little discussion on the v4l list starts around here : http://threebit.net/mail-archive/video4linux/msg07759.html

[06:12:34]

wagnerrp:

more like 2007

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quicksilver:

it is apparently IR not RF as I suspected last night

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rxKaffee:

awesome, the updated 0.24 did the trick, have TV now

[06:14:34]

quicksilver:

but that's even weired because if it's IR then it doesn't have a receiver plugged in :(

[06:14:50]

quicksilver:

so it's picking up some kind of phantom interference.

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quicksilver:

bah for analog stuff.

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rxKaffee:

now, where does Radio hide?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv doesnt do radio

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quicksilver:

unless you're in a country with DVB-radio :)

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wagnerrp:

but then thats not radio

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wagnerrp:

thats TV, with no video stream

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jayrock:

hi there!

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rxKaffee:

oh, it had stuff about radio in channel selection, and my card's got radio antenna. so I figured I would get FM :/

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quicksilver:

grah. this is a 4-year old debian installation, kernel upgrade is probably going to being annoying

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quicksilver:

I bet there is a horrible udev dance too

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wagnerrp:

rxKaffee: no, thats just in reference to audio-only tv channels

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quicksilver:

I liked this system because it worked, so I didn't touch it :-/

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wagnerrp:

not FM

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quicksilver:

oh well if I have to upgrade stuff I might as well upgrade debian + mythtv too

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quicksilver:

I'm still on 21

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jayrock:

I have troubles with mythbackend. Anyone around who can support?

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dekarl:

jayrock, just ask and if someone has time and knowledge you'll get answers (might take some time though)

[06:28:25]

hoolio:

i have time, but not knowledge.

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jayrock:

haha, good for a start.

[06:29:03]

dekarl:

keep in mind that americans are likely asleep and europeans at work/school

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hoolio:

is that a general statement?

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jayrock:

was hoping for US west coast... what's a good time to come here?

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hoolio:

jayrock, just ask; what's not working?

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jayrock:

In a few words: When recording, the mpg files are sometimes not written.

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hoolio:

what tuner are you using?

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jayrock:

The TV card is ther thogh

[06:31:11]

jayrock:

Cinergy Dual T

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hoolio:

anything in the logs?

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jayrock:

The driver is dvb_usb_af9015

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jayrock:

no, the logs look ok

[06:31:58]

jayrock:

hold on, I'll paste the log of one of those recordings.

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rxKaffee:

ah cool, the wiki has an article about hacking FM into the interface http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Fm_radio

[06:33:05]

jayrock:

http://www.fpaste.org/ZOmD/

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hoolio:

Error parsing: /etc/mythtv/config.xml at line: 1 column: 1

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jayrock:

uh, right.

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hoolio:

not that i think it would be causing your errors

[06:36:24]

hoolio:

but it's curious

[06:36:29]

jayrock:

lemme check

[06:37:12]

hoolio:

also have a look at the kernel logs; myth might be having issues grabbing the tuner

[06:37:46]

jayrock:

http://fpaste.org/CTX0/ ... funny... ?

[06:37:47]

dekarl:

jayrock, can be everything and nothing. you are using the active EIT? Might be locking. It's a bit like stabbing in the dark, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1687846

[06:38:16]

jayrock:

I know it's stabbing in the dark. Was hoping of advice where to stab.

[06:38:31]

hoolio:

well line one looks ok :)

[06:38:54]

jayrock:

derkarl, it's not exactly a 0-byte recording. The file's not there at all.

[06:39:34]

jayrock:

hoolio which log exactly do you want?

[06:39:47]

dekarl:

jayrock, got to leave for work. But I'd be interested in a fix, too :D

[06:40:05]

hoolio:

grep kernel /var/log/messages

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jayrock:

thanks dekarl, cu later maybe

[06:40:16]

hoolio:

have a look at around the time you're having recording issues

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jayrock:

hold on...

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jayrock:

http://www.fpaste.org/ThsO/

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jayrock:

Note, the server is suspending when not used. I.e. it woke up for that recording.

[06:45:15]

jayrock:

I now have the server in the state where it doesn't record.

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hoolio:

do you get your null recordings if the machine is already awake?

[06:45:25]

jayrock:

yes, right now for instance.

[06:45:37]

jayrock:

note, it's nil recordings – not null.

[06:46:52]

jayrock:

what I've tried earlier is restarting mythbackend, unloading and loading down to dvb_core. I didn't notice any difference.

[06:47:15]

hoolio:

is it a usb device?

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jayrock:

yes

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hoolio:

i wonder if it might not be getting enough power

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hoolio:

is in connected to the front of the machine, or to a usb hub?

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hoolio:

is it

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jayrock:

it's connected straigt to the mb, in the back.

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jayrock:

I actually doubt it's a power issue.

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hoolio:

okay fair enough

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jayrock:

Though, I just noticed that the LED on the stick is not glowing.

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hoolio:

oh

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jayrock:

That might explain s.th.

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hoolio:

try replugging it?

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jayrock:

ok, I unloaded and loaded again. I also unplugged and plugged in the device. No change.

[06:51:33]

jayrock:

I see it in dmseg though.

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hoolio:

so at what stage would you expect to see the LED glow?

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jayrock:

I used the same device in another machine previously. Then it was glowing practically all the time.

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hoolio:

i wonder if the LED just means it's powered, or if it illuminates based on the firmware having been loaded and the device is warm etc

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jayrock:

hold on!

[06:54:50]

jayrock:

I've restarted the recording. Now it works!

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jayrock:

Led still not glowing.

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hoolio:

okay. so wtf is the led for is the obvious question

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jayrock:

OK, some progress. Possibly unplugging solves it.

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jayrock:

dunno. Let's ignore the LED for the moment.

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hoolio:

okies

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jayrock:

Is there a way I can simulate unplugging/plugging?

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hoolio:

you can add/remove the kernel module i think

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jayrock:

modprobing apparently doesn't have the same effect.

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hoolio:

but i'm not sure if that's the same thing

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hoolio:

wagnerrp would know

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jayrock:

what I did is modprobe -u dvb_usb_af9015, then modprobe dvb_usb_af9015.

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hoolio:

i think that's basically the same thing

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hoolio:

but i'm not positive about that

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jayrock:

that's what I would think.

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hoolio:

you could tail -f messages again and see what happens when you unplug vs unloading the kernel module

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hoolio:

and reloading it

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jayrock:

the kernel log talks about finding the device in "warm state". maybe it needs a "cold restart".

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hoolio:

i think warm state means that the device has been identified by the kernel and that the firmware (which lives inside the kernel) has been loaded onto the device and it's now available for use

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hoolio:

i think that's what warm means

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hoolio:

i will admit that i gave up on my usb tuner however

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hoolio:

and got a hdhomerun instead :)

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hoolio:

i had issues similar to yours

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jayrock:

ok, now the log says s.th. like: found a 'TerraTec Cinergy T Stick Dual RC' in cold state, will try to load a firmware

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jayrock:

to me it seems "warm" vs. "cold" is the main difference

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hoolio:

i think cold means the firmware isn't loaded yet

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jayrock:

hm I could try to reset the usb bus.

[07:02:20]

jayrock:

that will be fun.

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hoolio:

welll.. yeah

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jayrock:

fortunately no other usb devices.

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hoolio:

one thing you could try is to reboot the machine

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hoolio:

don't let it go to sleep at all

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hoolio:

see if that "resolves" it

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jayrock:

maybe. however that's not the wanted solution. I need S3 cause I want the machin to be up immediately. If I reboot it takes 45 seconds for my samba shares to come up.

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jayrock:

machine

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hoolio:

yeah fair enough

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hoolio:

just might help you nail down what the issue is

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jayrock:

agreed, that's why I will try it.

[07:05:01]

hoolio:

the actual tuner in your device is a Afatech AF9013 DVB-T

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hoolio:

you could google to see what kind of kernel support that device has

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jayrock:

yup.

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jayrock:

can you eloborate please.

[07:06:09]

jayrock:

it's in v4l

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hoolio:

ah okies

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hoolio:

is the in kernel revision the same as the v4l one?

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hoolio:

ie; there might be a newer firmware available

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jayrock:

what do you mean "what kind of kernel support that device has"

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jayrock:

kk

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jayrock:

I think I have the latest. checked it on the weekend.

[07:07:43]

jayrock:

but it's a little hard to know. For me at least.

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hoolio:

latest kernel or latest v4l?

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hoolio:

yeah

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hoolio:

it all depends how old the device is, if it's old enough it's probably no longer under development

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jayrock:

it's from 2009 or 2010.

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hoolio:

i have to split now

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hoolio:

yeah ok

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jayrock:

thanks so far.

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hoolio:

you should come back here and ask wagnerrp

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jayrock:

what's a good time to be back?

[07:08:36]

jayrock:

yeah.

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hoolio:

he'll have read these logs i rekon

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jayrock:

when is wagnerrp around usually?

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hoolio:

well he's in the US and i'm in AU. just trying to work it out

[07:09:35]

hoolio:

he will definitely be here in 16 hours from now, probably earlier

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jayrock:

wow that's fun. I'm in Europe.

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hoolio:

he'd be asleep now, it's like 3am there now or something

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jayrock:

16 hours, that's 1 pm over here....

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hoolio:

or you can post to mythtv-users@mythtv.org

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hoolio:

that's a very active list

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hoolio:

good luck

[07:11:17]

** hoolio waves **

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jayrock:

The reason why I didn't post it is that I didn't really know what to ask. Too many variable. Interaction like IRC is better.

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jayrock:

ok, cu later.

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hoolio:

yeah irc is better

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hoolio:

i'll be here tomorrow too, if you wanna chat more with me

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jayrock:

ok, cool

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hoolio:

cya mate

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mtrax:

any one with lirc 0.90 experience?

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mtrax:

I'd really like to get my RC back to healthy status

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laga_:

mtrax: you need to ask a real question

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donmakepce:

Using Ubuntu Natty, Mythtv 0.24. Mythtranscode is still unable to transcode UK dvb-t recordings with two audio tracks. One normal stereo track and one mono for hard of hearing. I know there is a patch to select the audio track but it requires recompiling myth etc. Is there no way to modify mythtranscode so that I can select audio track. With BBC recordings I just use DVBCUT it saves the constant mythtranscode fail

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galorin:

I have an interesting problem, and I don't know what's up, Mythtv is creating recordings, adding entries to the database, but the files themselves can't be found. It only seems to happen when the recorder needs to change multiplex. I am using the PS3 PlayTV DVB tuner, if it helps.

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Jay2k1:

does this happen with every recording or just randomly?

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notlistening:

Hi I have manage to find a bug with my set up. I have a HomeRun HD running the lastest myth version from mythbuntu repos. When i choose to do a full scan on ALL it will crashm, if I ask for TV+Radio or TV only it is fine

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notlistening:

take that back its more complex than that

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Twiggy2cents:

do you guys happen to know if I enable IEC958 does alsa still output to the analog outputs?

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Jay2k1:

galorin: does this happen with every recording or just randomly?

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wagnerrp:

Twiggy2cents: mythtv only outputs to one output

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wagnerrp:

if you tell mythtv to output to spdif, it will not output to analog

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wagnerrp:

if you want both to occur, you need to add in a split filter in your alsa chain to send it to both

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wagnerrp:

however you likely will not be able to use passthrough in that event

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Roed:

Hi, i have a problem with my mythbuntu, i installed it yesterday and everything is working but EPG. I have scanned all my channels using EIT, and it works as expected.

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Roed:

If i use program finder i can see all the programs, but if i use program guide there is nothing

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Roed:

I hope someone can help me :-)

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wagnerrp:

sphery: i just added SetNice and SetIOPrio to MythSystem, if you wanted to use it

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wagnerrp:

its not usable from the myth_system helper, only if you instantiate your own MythSystem object to manage

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galorin:

Jay2k1: sorry got called away on big emergency. Lost a Domain Controller. It appears to be random.

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Roed:

I hope you have a backup :-)

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galorin:

Yeah, but the backup didn't do fallover DHCP. Need to have a word with the consulting company that put it in. I'm a Windows admin neophyte.

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jay2k1:

hah

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jay2k1:

i operate linux servers only

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Roed:

Well i only operate Windows :-)

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jay2k1:

so, galorin, back to the important things in life

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jay2k1:

which brings me back to my question ;)

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galorin:

Yes, MythTV. Very important. My kids shows aren't recording.

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jay2k1:

all of them?

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galorin:

Well, I will try to be precise...

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jay2k1:

because i occasionally have a recording that is in the list and db and stuff, just when i try to play it, it says file not found... and it shows that grey icon next to it

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jay2k1:

which makes me wonder why it's not there

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jay2k1:

occasionally as in once a month or so

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galorin:

If we have been watching LiveTV, tuned into the multiplex, then it will record. If the recording is on a different multiplex, it creates the entry in the show list, but says the file cannot be found. It happens on a daily basis.

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jay2k1:

mine opens a popup over the livetv saying "i am supposed to record xyz in 30 seconds, what shall I do? a) back to main menu and record, b) switch to the channel and record, c) keep watching and record later"

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galorin:

I am using the PS3 PlayTV as the tuner, it has two recorders in it, frontend0 and frontend1, each has its own recording group. Each recorder is set to record two simultaneous recordings.

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jay2k1:

i guess that's what is supposed to happen in that situation and that somehow fails with your setup

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galorin:

Even when not watching livetv, it still fails.

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jay2k1:

oh wow

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jay2k1:

that means you (as in YOU) have to tune into that multiplex beforehand or it will fail?

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galorin:

That seems to be what is happening

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galorin:

I am tied into the mythtv-updates repository, so should be tracking updates for 0.24 as they come out.

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galorin:

I will have to take a look at the logs I suppose. Can't get into my mythtv box from here, probably should set something up.

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skd5aner:

galorin – how many tuners?

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notlistening:

mythbackend is sitting there using 50% or my cpu time and mysql is using the other 50% what are they doing?

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wagnerrp:

running the scheduler

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dekarl:

fighting over the cpu

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notlistening:

the system is not being used for anything

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notlistening:

thanks wagnerrp

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wagnerrp:

notlistening: the scheduler is a very intensive process, but on the largest of systems, should not be running more than a few tens of seconds

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wagnerrp:

if it /does/ run longer than that, then you have some serious problems

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notlistening:

how can i tell what is running or not?

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wagnerrp:

the backend logs

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notlistening:

What entries will give me an idea of the time taken

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notlistening:

2011-09–20 17:30:01.683 Reschedule requested for id -1.

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notlistening:

2011-09–20 17:30:03.636 Scheduled 0 items in 1.8 = 0.51 match + 1.29 place

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wagnerrp:

thats the one

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notlistening:

still the processes are running at with hi cpu usage

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wagnerrp:

can you post the last hour or so of your backend logs?

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notlistening:

Let me run it for an hour and then I will post for you

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wagnerrp:

its running 100% CPU currently, right?

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notlistening:

yeah thats right

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wagnerrp:

i want to see the logs starting from BEFORE that began, so i can tell what the backend was doing that locked up

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notlistening:

So what would you like me to do?

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wagnerrp:

just take the last hour of logs, and put them in a pastebin

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wagnerrp:

or if this has been happening for some time longer

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wagnerrp:

just some amount of logs before and after the event

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wagnerrp:

before that, youre running some fairly modern version of mythtv, corrrect?

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FabriceMG:

wagnerrp, in 0.25, where is stored picture, fanart, coverart for the frondend?

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wagnerrp:

there have been issues in the past where the backend would consume 100% cpu in some idle loop

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wagnerrp:

but those have all been fixed already

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wagnerrp:

all that were known, anyway

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wagnerrp:

FabriceMG: the frontend doesnt store such content

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wagnerrp:

those files are stored on the backend, in their respective storage groups

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notlistening:

http://pastebin.com/uZfXWBKK

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wagnerrp:

the only exist on the frontend in the theme cache

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FabriceMG:

ha ok

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wagnerrp:

thats it? just scheduler runs and then it started going nuts?

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FabriceMG:

command for delete the frontend cache?

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wagnerrp:

rm -f ~/.mythtv/themecache

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notlistening:

wagnerrp, thats it all i did was start the service

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wagnerrp:

you just started mythbackend, and it has been running 100% CPU ever since?

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notlistening:

seems so

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notlistening:

just restarted the service and mythbackend/myth has stopped using the cpu

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notlistening:

mysql not myth

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notlistening:

then they are straigh back

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wagnerrp:

run the optimization tool on the database

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notlistening:

2011-09–20 17:50:48.946 AutoExpire: CalcParams(): Max required Free Space: 1.0 GB w/freq: 15 min

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notlistening:

when it logs that the cpu time goes high

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wagnerrp:

are you recording to any remote filesystems?

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notlistening:

No just sitting there doing nothing

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notlistening:

nothing scheduled in to record

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notlistening:

but i do have it set to record to remote filesystems

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notlistening:

only just changed that but was seeing the high cpu usage before

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notlistening:

to optimise can i use mythweb to do that?

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notlistening:

just dropped to 18–20% for the backend and nothing for mysql

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notlistening:

back high again

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notlistening:

Am i just asking too much of the system?

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** xris twiddles thumbs waiting for comcast to show up... **

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xris:

notlistening: lost my scrollback. what's up?

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notlistening:

mysql and mythbackend and eating 100% of cpu time

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notlistening:

for most of the time and then occasionally stop back to 20% and 1% and then backup to 80% and 20% respectivley and I am using the system for nothing just idle after configuation

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notlistening:

it is on a low powered machine though

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notlistening:

just did this 25 times in the log

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notlistening:

2011-09–20 18:31:13.033 Reschedule requested for id -1.

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notlistening:

2011-09–20 18:31:16.239 Scheduled 0 items in 2.8 = 0.49 match + 2.36 place

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notlistening:

sorry wrong line : 2011-09–20 18:30:43.234 MainServer::ANN Monitor

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notlistening:

2011-09–20 18:30:43.310 adding: myth-backend as a client (events: 2)

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xris:

notlistening: your ARM box?

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xris:

inside of a VM?

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notlistening:

Not arm but Intel Atom

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notlistening:

Atom 330 dual core

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iamlindoro:

Then yes, you are asking too much of the system

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iamlindoro:

the Atom is not up to the task of running a reliable backend

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xris:

especially if you have mythtv inside of a VM on the atom

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iamlindoro:

Especially then

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notlistening:

:( worth a try

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notlistening:

No it seems to have settled it only uses 100% when the scheduler is running

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notlistening:

*now

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notlistening:

sitting with about 60 – 70 % idle

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iamlindoro:

Remember, not everything is multithreaded

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iamlindoro:

100% means you are screwed with many/most processes in myth

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notlistening:

Well it recorded okay a few glitches

[18:27:12]

Korny1:

you trying to make a lower power BE I'm assuming?

[18:28:22]

notlistening:

I have a system i am running as a web server and thought i would add myth onto it just to see how much i can squeeze out of it

[18:29:28]

Korny1:

WE have the exact opposite of problems, I 6 core amd that basically sits idle 95% of the time for my backend

[18:29:52]

notlistening:

could i borrow two :D

[18:30:25]

Korny1:

Are you running myth in a VM?

[18:30:36]

notlistening:

yes i am

[18:30:39]

notlistening:

are you?

[18:30:59]

Korny1:

Nope, just running ubuntu 10.04

[18:31:08]

Korny1:

Was the host OS on your box?

[18:31:17]

Korny1:

rather "whats"

[18:31:22]

notlistening:

yeah you should not have a problem ubuntu 10.04

[18:33:06]

notlistening:

I have not run it on my amd x6

[18:34:31]

notlistening:

I am using ubuntu 10.04

[18:34:48]

notlistening:

sorry 11.04

[18:37:55]

Korny1:

meh unity ruined ubuntu for me

[18:38:37]

xris:

notlistening: you would probably get better performance if you weren't running a VM, too

[18:41:30]

notlistening:

xris yeah i know that

[18:42:13]

notlistening:

Korny1, have you looked at mythbuntu

[18:42:23]

xris:

comcast appointment between 10 and 12 apparently means "will show up at 11:59:59"

[18:42:53]

notlistening:

lol xris, did you ring them?

[18:43:02]

xris:

yeah, still confirmed.

[18:43:11]

xris:

that's all I can do until noon

[18:43:22]

Korny1:

notlistening: I run mythbuntu on my front ends and used the mythbuntu to install mythtv backend on my server

[18:43:35]

xris:

comcast is a franchise, though. I call the main number, but the guy is either from the local office, or a contractor paid by the local office...

[18:44:24]

wagnerrp:

notlistening: check out tomshardware's low power desktop guides

[18:44:39]

wagnerrp:

you dont need an atom to get a low power machine

[18:45:01]

notlistening:

its a pain I have one though :D

[18:45:01]

wagnerrp:

you can get a 3.33GHz i5 system running under 25W at the wall idle

[18:45:20]

Korny1:

Depending on your motherboard atoms draw more power at idle then full chips

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Korny1:

some atom mobos are power hogs

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_stefanb:

IPTV via UDP: multicast. Are there known problems that multiple recordings randomly don't work?

[18:46:42]

wagnerrp:

the older G945 based ones certainly were (like that which came with N330)

[18:46:55]

wagnerrp:

those things were awful

[18:46:56]

wagnerrp:

they pulled like 20W all on their own

[18:47:12]

_stefanb:

I can see that the Multicast has been setup correctly, i.e. data is flowing in, but MythTV doesn't seem to record the data

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justinh:

so, it's BYE BYE mythtv 0.24

[19:01:47]

Korny1:

eh?

[19:01:50]

justinh:

myth hasn't recorded a single thing today

[19:01:57]

justinh:

not a SINGLE THING

[19:02:04]

justinh:

backend was DEADLOCKED AGAIN

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Korny1:

So hello mythtv 0.24.1 with fixes?

[19:02:46]

Korny1:

:P

[19:03:46]

justinh:

no, already said hello to that

[19:04:01]

justinh:

might even be bye bye mythtv altogether

[19:04:25]

justinh:

I mean a crappy standalone shop bought DVR is better than one which sometimes doesn't record for reasons it keeps to its ****ing self!

[19:04:42]

justinh:

wish I'd never ****ing upgraded now

[19:05:09]

justinh:

sigh. there's always master I can try with the rejigged db access malarkey

[19:05:24]

justinh:

master.. on a production system. I'd need my head examined

[19:09:18]

Korny1:

I wish I knew enough to help you :/

[19:10:17]

justinh:

I wish I'd never a) updated to 0.24 via packages or b) opted to use ubuntu

[19:11:07]

Korny1:

What were you running before?

[19:11:17]

justinh:

put it this way, I'm experiencing problems that none of the active devs could reproduce & seemingly only a handful of other people have seen – and the possible causes of the problem have been fixed in master

[19:11:46]

justinh:

I was on 0.23 built from source. on ubuntu

[19:12:04]

justinh:

but apparently most of the people experiencing deadlocks were running... ubuntu

[19:12:27]

justinh:

so. how stable is master right now?

[19:12:54]

justinh:

mind, I'm not sure it could be much worse than a whole ream of recordings not happening in a day

[19:14:06]

justinh:

course I could just nuke the BE & FE.. and install linhes :)

[19:15:32]

Korny1:

Why not! I still have my old windows 95 mentality, if its broke, nuke it and start over :/

[19:15:55]

justinh:

because moving to a different distro to solve a problem is a PITA

[19:16:43]

jayrock:

hi there. is it possible to send /memo in this channel?

[19:17:11]

justinh:

sure, if you want to annoy somebody I guess

[19:17:32]

jayrock:

it's more about dealing with different timezones.

[19:19:15]

justinh:

I mostly deal with different timezones by having some TLDs on /ignore :P

[19:19:31]

sid3windr:

most deadlocks running on ubuntu might just be because ubuntu is the most popular distro? :)

[19:20:48]

justinh:

sid3windr: maybe. losing ground though

[19:22:04]

justinh:

sid3windr: or maybe because their mysql config is borked, or they use a funky patch... or... any number of things

[19:23:04]

sid3windr:

:-)

[19:23:05]

sid3windr:

yes

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sid3windr:

but just saying it's a possibility that it's because it's most used :)

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notlistening:

justinh what capture method you using?

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justinh:

notlistening: what difference would that make?

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notlistening:

well was wondering if you had thought about using virtual machines, I do just makes rejigging easier

[19:27:24]

justinh:

at the risk of sounding very rude, you should know where you can shove that idea

[19:27:51]

justinh:

I can't do VMs anyway

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justinh:

1. not enough RAM. 2. I use real tuner cards

[19:29:12]

Korny1:

Hey HD homeruns are real tuners :P

[19:29:35]

notlistening:

like mine ;)

[19:29:35]

justinh:

I said *cards*

[19:29:44]

Korny1:

This is true

[19:29:57]

justinh:

besides, I don't know any *sane* people who run mythtv in a VM

[19:30:32]

Korny1:

lol I don't see the point personally

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skd5aner:

justinh: I'm running from source on ubuntu (not mythbuntu)

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justinh:

skd5aner: yeah I wish I'd stuck with source

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justinh:

master of my own destiny & all that

[19:34:11]

skd5aner:

backup db and apt-get remove mythtv (or whatever the package is)

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skd5aner:

the packages shouldn't have mucked with the DB I wouldn't think

[19:34:39]

justinh:

I think only a --purge would clean that out

[19:34:50]

skd5aner:

probably

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justinh:

I just need some 'me' time with BE & FE

[19:35:34]

skd5aner:

Beirdo: ping pong

[19:37:22]

skd5aner:

a 3 way... I see

[19:38:14]

skd5aner:

f'ing HD-PVR, works great for a few years, now craps out every other day :P

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justinh:

skd5aner: heh if my wife would leave the darn thing alone long enough for me to fix it properly. grrr

[19:43:38]

skd5aner:

ssh %frontend% || killall mythfrontend

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skd5aner:

"honey, it looks like mythtv broke" "ok, I'll fix it"

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notlistening:

Well insanity it high up on my list ;)

[19:44:32]

Korny1:

My wife has a book for when I want to tinker

[19:44:55]

Korny1:

Although I can say I think my backend is set for the next 6 months to a year

[19:45:36]

skd5aner:

until your mobo dies

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Korny1:

HUSH

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Korny1:

I learned that the hard time, thats why my drives are setup by UUID now :P

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Korny1:

Which I'm not sure would entirely save me in the case of a mobo failure :/

[19:46:47]

justinh:

hahahaha

[19:47:38]

justinh:

course I *know* I'm entirely stuck with mythtv

[19:48:05]

justinh:

I've invested too much time in it (initially), in theming it, helping out here, shouting at ignorant people...

[19:48:21]

justinh:

and for pete's sakes any commercial DVR is going to completely suck

[19:50:04]

skd5aner:

yea, I'm "stuck" too... dang 2004 decision which locked me in

[19:50:06]

skd5aner:

;)

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Korny1:

I didn't mind the dishnetwork on for basic functionality

[19:50:16]

Korny1:

the 722 VIP

[19:51:11]

Korny1:

I'm now spoiled with whole house DVR that hold my movies too though :/

[19:51:24]

justinh:

yeah that's a factor here too

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justinh:

it's great when it 'just works (TM)'

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justinh:

and when it does, it just goes & goes & goes

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Korny1:

My wife last night was like "I miss regular cable, you know the box will always work when I turn it on", my response was simply "how many times in the last 2 months has TV really been down?"

[19:53:05]

Korny1:

I prefaced it with "Without me tinkering with it "

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justinh:

since I updated to 0.24-fixes I've seen deadlocks almost every day

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skd5aner:

is that the only thing you did?

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skd5aner:

or did you do any OS upgrades/updates?

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justinh:

a whole week went by where nothing but recording happened... when we were on holiday

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justinh:

no other updates

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justinh:

just installed mythtv packages

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Korny1:

Try nuking the frontends first?

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justinh:

I took the lazy way out really. I was going to compile from source

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skd5aner:

sigh... I guess I ought to go update the release notes... I'm so far behind it's just not that fun when you've forgotten the context of changes around 2 months ago :/

[19:56:19]

justinh:

I thought the FE was a factor, but it wasn't powered up when the BE deadlocked today

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JEDIDIAH__:

It doesn't matter how long ago it was or for how long it was, for ever after it's "but when you leave it crashes"

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justinh:

still thankful we haven't got Sky+. When that thing goes, it takes everything you have on it with it

[20:14:29]

Korny1:

You know what really annoys me, I built my little ion atom boxes which do fine but would be better suited for a bedroom with a smaller TV for 200 bucks + a HD I can build an AMD system with a nvidia 220 graphics card for high quality vdpau for 235 :/ I really wish I had spend the extra 35 dollars :/

[20:16:07]

jams:

Korny1- that seems to be a lesson learned only by doing. Your not the only one have found that out the hard way.

[20:16:36]

Korny1:

Least I'm happy with my atom/ions, I'm lucky to have a really good video processor on my reciever

[20:16:48]

Korny1:

Makes the images look great

[20:17:26]

JEDIDIAH__:

In the worst case an ION is a cheap mistake.

[20:17:50]

Korny1:

It actually does fine with 95% of anything I do

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justinh:

my epia frontend was almost an expensive mistake, but I managed to sell it for almost more than I bought it for :D

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Korny1:

The way I figure it is i will put the Atoms/Ions in my bedrooms and build a new box for my living room with the 55" TV and use my backend for my Hometheater with a new graphics card

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xris:

wagnerrp: well, looks like all of my channels are encrypted.

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skd5aner:

doh!

[20:44:20]

wagnerrp:

you mean copy protected?

[20:45:31]

xris:

well, the device identifies them as encrypted

[20:45:36]

xris:

er, hdhr software.

[20:45:39]

xris:

and I can't play them

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wagnerrp:

of course theyre encrypted

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xris:

I get LAMc for all of them in mythtv.

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xris:

except the clearqam ones

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xris:

had to get to work so I couldn't dig deeper

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wagnerrp:

might want to ask iamlindoro

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wagnerrp:

but im betting the cablecard just isnt activated yet

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xris:

it claims to be

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iamlindoro:

web page will tell you everything

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xris:

but maybe only partially activated

[20:47:05]

iamlindoro:

Go to the summary page from the device's web page

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iamlindoro:

take a screenshot or pastebin the text

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xris:

yeah, says "success" for activation

[20:47:24]

xris:

and 3des encryption supported

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iamlindoro:

activation and authentication are different

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iamlindoro:

let me have a look at it

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xris:

I'm remote at the moment

[20:48:15]

xris:

both act and auth say "success"

[20:48:53]

xris:

auth while tuning stays "none"

[20:48:59]

xris:

(auth for specific channel)

[20:49:11]

iamlindoro:

If it's activated and authenticated, then you have a provisioning problem

[20:49:23]

iamlindoro:

But without seeing the whole summary, I can't tell you if anything else is possible

[20:49:28]

iamlindoro:

problemwise, that is

[20:50:50]

iamlindoro:

If everything is fine with the device and OOB, and activation and authentication are successful

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iamlindoro:

then it's a provisioning problem (the channels aren't properly associated with the card)

[20:51:49]

xris:

it all says "success" (ioob, etc)

[20:51:57]

xris:

oob

[20:52:08]

xris:

card has a channel list, etc.

[20:52:26]

wagnerrp:

so it took over an hour to get home today

[20:52:41]

iamlindoro:

Honestly, I don't want to go through what each and every value says-- If you want me to give a conclusive answer the best thing to do is let me look at the summary page

[20:52:45]

wagnerrp:

i get on the highway only to come to a half halfway up the ramp

[20:52:54]

wagnerrp:

turns out two miles south, the highway is shut down

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iamlindoro:

All I can say without seeing it is, if everything there were correct, it would be a provisioning/accounting problem

[20:53:23]

xris:

though the channel list is all channels, not just my subscribed ones.

[20:53:33]

iamlindoro:

and you would deal with that by calling the national cablecard activation number (877-405-xxxx) and requesting they check the entitlement for the card, then demand that they send a grand slam hit to the card

[20:53:37]

xris:

iamlindoro: there are only 3 things listed on the summary page.

[20:53:55]

xris:

activation, authorization, oob. all say success.

[20:54:00]

iamlindoro:

There are easily a dozen things on the summary page unless hauppauge has changed what it says

[20:54:26]

xris:

well, except for the tuner channel status, which is none because I'm not tuning anything

[20:54:42]

xris:

card web page.. status menu.. summary

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iamlindoro:

You want to tune a channel that you are sure is no ClearQAM, and check authorization

[20:54:53]

iamlindoro:

if it says none or unknown, it's provisioning

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xris:

iirc it said unknown

[20:55:20]

iamlindoro:

You check authorization on the channel by tuning and then going into the tuner-specific item from the summary

[20:55:28]

iamlindoro:

if unknown , you need to get the entitlement fixed

[20:55:38]

iamlindoro:

call the number on the self-install brochure, the one that starts with 877–405

[20:55:45]

iamlindoro:

do it during business hours or you're doomed

[20:56:00]

iamlindoro:

You want them to fix the entitlement for the card, and to send a grand slam hit

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xris:

iamlindoro: I didn't do a self-install

[20:56:32]

iamlindoro:

Even worse, the techs have no clue how to activate a cablecard

[20:56:51]

xris:

from the sound of things, the gal he was talking to on the phone didn't

[20:56:56]

iamlindoro:

(877) 405–2298,

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justinh:

doo de doo... uninstalled mythtv packages from the frontend... building plugins now :-)

[20:57:01]

iamlindoro:

is the number you want to call

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iamlindoro:

you will need the Host ID, Data ID, and CableCard ID

[20:57:22]

iamlindoro:

You can get those from somewhere in the depths of the CableCard menu

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xris:

is there a way to tune channels without actually displaying them? doesn't perform well over vnc. : )

[20:57:33]

iamlindoro:

(since it disappears after initial activation)

[20:57:48]

iamlindoro:

You can use hdhomerun_config to tune the channels, but I don't know the incantation off the top of my head

[20:58:13]

xris:

yeah, that pops up vlc

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iamlindoro:

No, not the gui

[20:58:21]

xris:

I have a different number in my cable card menu

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iamlindoro:

the command line tool

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xris:

though it does tell me to call to activate

[20:58:30]

iamlindoro:

Don't call the cablecard menu number

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iamlindoro:

under any circumstances

[20:58:39]

iamlindoro:

It's 1-800-COMCAST

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iamlindoro:

Call the number above, which is the cablecard activation number

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xris:

it's not

[20:59:34]

iamlindoro:

Yes, it is

[20:59:43]

iamlindoro:

Do not call the number programmed into the cablecard

[20:59:49]

iamlindoro:

The 877 number above is the one you want

[20:59:57]

iamlindoro:

I have been helping people with these issues for weeks

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xris:

877-824–2288

[21:00:10]

xris:

but I'll use your number

[21:00:24]

iamlindoro:

good luck, I'm sure you'll get it

[21:00:40]

xris:

google says it's the local comcast CS number

[21:00:53]

iamlindoro:

Which is not what you want

[21:00:56]

xris:

right

[21:01:05]

iamlindoro:

the 877–405 number is a hotline specifically for cablecard activation

[21:01:09]

xris:

where do you get hdhomerun_config? I only see the _gui to download

[21:01:17]

iamlindoro:

And during business hours has no automated system, you just get a human

[21:01:28]

iamlindoro:

hdhomerun_config is built when you build libhdhomerun

[21:03:31]

iamlindoro:

You definitely want to insist on a Grand Slam Init-- some techs don't want to do that, so you may need to argue

[21:03:51]

iamlindoro:

There are three levels-- most of them just send the simples level, which they just call a "hit" or "init"

[21:04:16]

iamlindoro:

You need to at least get a "DAC Init" and will be much more likely to be working with a "Grand Slam Init/Hit"

[21:04:17]

xris:

well at least the tech identified that I"m only getting local channels. heh

[21:04:39]

iamlindoro:

But before you fight with them about the Hit/Init you will want them to check the Entitlement/Provisioning for the card

[21:04:39]

xris:

thx

[21:04:43]

iamlindoro:

np

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justinh:

righto. that's the frontend back on source :-)

[21:08:58]

justinh:

can't do the backend.. too busy recording my wife's stories. grr

[21:09:04]

iamlindoro:

justinh: daniel firmly believes the backend deadlock issues are resolved in master-- but the resolution is an invasive set of changes that can't be backported

[21:09:21]

justinh:

iamlindoro: yeah I gathered that much. sucks to be somebody affected ;-)

[21:09:23]

xris:

iamlindoro: thanks. looks like it's in progress now. I get some things but not others.. others like hob say not-subscribed

[21:09:25]

xris:

hbo

[21:09:28]

xris:

wtf osx...

[21:09:43]

justinh:

iamlindoro: I'm gonna try a few things now I'm back on source.. that might fix it all for all I know

[21:10:00]

iamlindoro:

xris: Good (well, unless you subscribe to HBO ;) )

[21:10:06]

justinh:

failing all else I'll just have to update to master

[21:10:33]

xris:

right. :)

[21:10:36]

iamlindoro:

And if you do, same advice as above, sometime you have to be a little relentless in bugging them until they check your numbers, check your entitlement, and send an aggressive enough hit

[21:11:12]

justinh:

I don't moan about mythtv much, but I don't half get it in the neck when things go pear shaped

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iamlindoro:

Though there's a lot of terminology, cablecard issues basically boil down to "Did the card data get entered properly, did the card get entitled properly, did the card get an aggressive enough hit/firmware upgrades"

[21:11:35]

iamlindoro:

In that order, which each being dependent on the last

[21:12:09]

xris:

heh

[21:12:12]

xris:

good to know

[21:12:23]

xris:

was really worried for a bit that I'd wasted $150 on a device that would only get clearqam

[21:12:26]

justinh:

Cablecard sounds like fun

[21:12:50]

justinh:

but worth every part of the hassle if it entitles you to record what you're paying for

[21:13:07]

iamlindoro:

I put a prime in for a client a few weeks ago, and all the channels showed copy-once

[21:13:11]

xris:

on the other hand, if it works, then I can save a bunch of money on my bill, free up some plugs on my UPS, and some shelf space.

[21:13:15]

iamlindoro:

which was insane, since we're on the same feeder headend

[21:13:25]

xris:

that sucks

[21:13:25]

justinh:

assuming they don't mess around with channel lineups every 5 minutes

[21:13:29]

iamlindoro:

Until I threw a fit and got them to send a grand slam init

[21:13:34]

iamlindoro:

and everythign magically began to work

[21:14:20]

iamlindoro:

justinh: When it works, it is fantastic-- it's just getting the cable company to set it up properly. The device and working with it is a dream

[21:14:55]

justinh:

goshdarnit. I selected mythgallery to run & I've got an image dir with bazillions of images. oops

[21:16:20]

justinh:

iamlindoro: pity we can't get anything like it here, but then there isn't much on cable I want anymore

[21:16:46]

iamlindoro:

I daresay it's a lot like DVB-C with CAM, but with some additional niceties

[21:16:54]

justinh:

next package up from the one we've got is about 200 channels I don't want

[21:17:03]

iamlindoro:

(like the OOB tuner with channel map, etc)

[21:17:28]

justinh:

heh well we can't use DVB-C with a CAM here

[21:17:46]

justinh:

a) not exactly clear if it's legal to even plug a cable tuner in

[21:17:51]

justinh:

b) you can't get a CAM

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iamlindoro:

yeah

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justinh:

ruh? apparently TUTV uses nagra3 now too.. so surely that means you CAN get a CAM

[21:19:56]

justinh:

ugh. CI+ :-(

[21:23:07]

xris:

iamlindoro: still getting a ton of "not subscribed". guy told me to wait 45 mins, though

[21:23:28]

iamlindoro:

The 45 thing is a ploy to get you off the phone

[21:23:37]

iamlindoro:

When the right hit is sent, it works right away

[21:23:52]

justinh:

unbelievable. found plenty of links to illegal ways. no fair. so if you want to do it the right way in the UK.. you can't.

[21:24:49]

iamlindoro:

xris: I've heard from a ton of people who get the "it may take 45 minutes" thing-- I have never actually heard of the wait doing anything :)

[21:25:03]

xris:

yeah, computers aren't that slow

[21:25:11]

xris:

I'll call back in a bit.

[21:25:42]

iamlindoro:

The logs on the device will show an activation/authorization message when the hit is received-- thereafter, if the card is entitled properly, you'll get all your channels

[21:26:38]

xris:

guy said "it's still downloading channel data"

[21:26:51]

iamlindoro:

xris: Sadly you have to be a bit dogged depending on your degree of luck-- I got a good hit on my first phone call, on the first hit... but have had a few instances with consulting gigs where it took a few hours of phone maneuvering to find someone with a clue

[21:26:55]

iamlindoro:

hah, he's a dumbass

[21:27:00]

xris:

heh

[21:27:15]

iamlindoro:

The EMM (Entitlement Management Message) in the Hit contains the whole entitlement

[21:27:27]

iamlindoro:

tells the card what you are permitted to receive, etc.

[21:27:47]

iamlindoro:

What's amusing is that they are very proficient at turning your service off when you don't pay them-- and they do it with the same exact hit mechanism :)

[21:27:55]

iamlindoro:

They send a new EMM turning off your entitlement to channels

[21:28:02]

justinh:

heh we've had to so the same thing with our cable TV in the past

[21:28:24]

iamlindoro:

xris: Sad that one needs to become a cablecard expert just to get one activated properly

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justinh:

ach well.. on to the backend updates tomorrow when I'm 'busy' at work :-)

[21:33:41]

notlistening:

I want to get remote access to the mysql database I am running this commend and it won't work: all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"192.168.1.%" identified by "?????";

[21:34:10]

notlistening:

there is a grant at the beginning

[21:34:34]

notlistening:

it says 0 rows changed

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justinh:

remote meaning 'on a different machine' right? on the LAN

[21:34:46]

justinh:

not remote meaning over the interwebs I hope

[21:34:47]

notlistening:

yeah that is right

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notlistening:

not with that ip ;)

[21:35:16]

justinh:

you need to do that as mysql root remember

[21:35:26]

notlistening:

yes i am root

[21:35:56]

notlistening:

Query OK, 0 rows affected (0.03 sec)

[21:36:23]

justinh:

not even sure it would affect any rows

[21:36:52]

notlistening:

this user already exists with this password, and can login locally just not from my lan machine

[21:37:34]

justinh:

is skip-networking commented out in /etc/mysql/my.cnf ?

[21:37:39]

justinh:

needs to be :)

[21:37:43]

justinh:

anyway.. bedtime for me

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xris:

iamlindoro: damn. not sure this guy even knows what a grand slam init is.

[21:38:35]

xris:

so whatever the first tech I talked to did, it's been undone.

[21:38:44]

xris:

stuff worked when I was on the phone before, but now stopped working.

[21:38:47]

iamlindoro:

You could try for the happy medium and request a "DAC Init"

[21:39:08]

iamlindoro:

When all else fails, don't let them off the phone :)

[21:39:16]

iamlindoro:

Eventually they will be tired of you and escalate

[21:39:48]

iamlindoro:

And yikes for the backward slide

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notlistening:

no joy :(

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DeviceZer0:

hmm. Im checkout mythtv git...and i want to use the the 0.24 fixes branch. i did "git checkout remotes/origin/fixes/0.24" and it put me in detached head...and if i do a git pull it says im currently not on a branch...if i want to follow the 0.24 branch...what do i need to do?

[21:43:01]

iamlindoro:

DeviceZer0: git clone, then enter the checked out dir, then do "git checkout fixes/0.24"

[21:44:24]

xris:

yeah, will try DAC init next time. this time a "refresh" worked.. we'll see if it sticks.

[21:44:41]

iamlindoro:

xris: All channels you're subbed to?

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DeviceZer0:

hmm.

[21:44:51]

xris:

as many as I can easily test over a vnc connection

[21:45:01]

iamlindoro:

xris: Then I say cross your fingers and wait :)

[21:45:06]

xris:

the first time I called, they worked.. then I was testing a few minutes later and they didn't.

[21:45:07]

DeviceZer0:

iamlindoro, thanks :) that seems to have worked..i suppose why it didnt for me is because i specified to too much?

[21:45:11]

xris:

so something wasn't quite right.

[21:45:17]

DeviceZer0:

like "remotes/origin/fixes/0.24"

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iamlindoro:

xris: Yeah, sounds like they sent some sort of followup hit... so I guess we'll see

[21:45:29]

DeviceZer0:

i guess i still really have no clue what im doing with git

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iamlindoro:

DeviceZer0: I'm not sure any of the bit before fixes/0.24 is valid, since those aren't part of a branch name

[21:45:56]

DeviceZer0:

i see

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iamlindoro:

xris: You also want to make sure you're as up to date as you can be with firmware-- I am not sure how/whether/if the firmware use and install varies with the Hauppauge device

[21:47:34]

iamlindoro:

But for SD devices there's a new firmware nearly every couple of days addressing issues-- including today

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xris:

iamlindoro: yeah, I need to figure out how that'll work with the dcr-2650

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xris:

hauppauge has a firmware upgrade app, but it seems to be windows-only

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xris:

ah, even hauppauge talks about asking comcast to do a "cold hit"

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xris:

and that it can take several attempts

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xris:

nifty. looks like at least the windows side supports a tuning adapter

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, Tuning adapter for the Hauppauge on Linux will take more work-- Linux users who need to do SDV should probably just buy a Prime

[22:15:21]

iamlindoro:

(since there are no drivers to deal with)

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xris:

yeah

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xris:

may have to do that if it ever comes to that.

[22:24:25]

xris:

ok, firmware update exe doesn't work in wine.

[22:24:42]

** xris gives up until tonight **

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xris:

the last firmware version does match the Prime one, but it may be a separate build from the same date.

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sid3windr:

that firmware update working in wine would have been quite a feat

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xris:

well, figured it was worth a try

[22:34:46]

xris:

it's still just pushing stuff out over the network

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sid3windr:

oh, right, this in't a pci card, heh

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xris:

afaik even the ceton should show up as a network device

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skd5aner:

wow – I'm glad a lot of people are figuring out what it takes to get a cablecard working in these devices

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skd5aner:

I don't mind being the guinea pig sometimes, but I hate dealing with cable company tech support and I hate even more when I tend to know more than the person I'm asking for help

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** skd5aner recalls many dumb coversations about firewire, or to the tech involved, the "fire port" **

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skd5aner:

DOH! So, my HDPVR has been flaking out lately... and today I got about 3 0-byte recordings... turns out, the STB turned itself off overnight... sigh

[22:55:43]

skd5aner:

if it isn't one thing, it's got to be another

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: i wonder how much of your ability to get this to work is having worked in a headend, and actually knowing the people to talk to and the terminology to use

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xris:

wagnerrp: lol. actually, I need to make sure that the phone# and some of the terminology are on the wiki (and linked from the Prime setup page)

[23:30:35]

wagnerrp:

does the prime/dcr-2560 have infrared?

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wagnerrp:

the standard hdhomerun had an IR input

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wagnerrp:

seems not, youre expected to have one that came with windows media center

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hoolio:

wagnerrp, has jayrock been in today?

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wagnerrp:

i dont know

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wagnerrp:

!seen jayrock

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MythLogBot:

jayrock was last seen 2 hours 24 minutes 10 seconds ago

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wagnerrp:

seems so

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