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Monday, September 19th, 2011, 00:11 UTC

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lowone:

mattwj2002: yup no multirec with cablecard... the cablecard will pull a channel map for you to tune against. the wintv is a silicondust derivitive and works well.... it took me 5 hours over 2 days ending in a email from comast teir2 to my local office to get my cablecard entered into the head end system to finally work

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mattwj2002:

oh my lowone

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mattwj2002:

what was the problem?

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wagnerrp:

dekarl: do you forsee any problem with replacing all the --[dont-]refresh-<whatever> options with a single --refresh?

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wagnerrp:

(one last check before i commit this thing)

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lowone:

local office's cablecard/checkout people did not enter the cablecard into the local head end system... they had only added it to my account for billing

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lowone:

my local office's "self install kit" is pretty good to, they just handed over the bare cablecard and nothing else!!

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lowone:

other offices apparently have actual kits to hand out with manuals and instructions and not dumb~ so maybe you will have better luck!

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xris:

lowone: wow. another reason I guess I'm glad I'm just paying for the guy to come out.

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wagnerrp:

i think sphery french-fried when he should have pizza'd

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mattwj2002:

xris are you going to have him just hook it up to windows media center?

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mattwj2002:

or his he going to hook it up to mythtv?

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xris:

mattwj2002: apparently I don't have media center with win7 pro, so I'll have to do mythtv or to my mac

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mattwj2002:

you should

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mattwj2002:

did you go to programs

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[R]:

wagnerrp: HAHA

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mattwj2002:

Programs and Features -> Turn Windows features on or off

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mattwj2002:

Programs and Features is under Control Panel of course

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mattwj2002:

:)

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xris:

too much work to boot up windows now to check

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mattwj2002:

Windows 7:

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mattwj2002:

• Home Premium

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mattwj2002:

• Professional

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mattwj2002:

• Enterprise

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mattwj2002:

• Ultimate

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mattwj2002:

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_media_center

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xris:

ah, cool

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xris:

then maybe I'll use that.

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wagnerrp:

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/153300/ . . . i-instructor

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lowone:

the cablecard activation stuff all happens inside of the wintv/prime's web interface.. you dont really need anything else

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lowone:

if ti works it will give you "activation success" on the webpage

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lowone:

and the channel lineup link should give you your channel lineup

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wagnerrp:

sphery: i have to say, i dont think ive actually seen you angry... like... ever

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xris:

it has a web interface?

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lowone:

if either of those don't happen, then mythtv/mce/etc will be useless anyway

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lowone:

yup

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xris:

prime is actually network. the hauppauge one uses a direct-connect kind of pesudonetwork with usb. it doesn't actually get an IP

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wagnerrp:

the ceton actually gets a real IP

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lowone:

wintv is a computer facing usb network card <--> 2 tunner prime

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wagnerrp:

its a full multicast implementation, and can be bridged onto the local network for remote use

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lowone:

then you can turn on bridgeing to share it out to the rest of oyur network if you want

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mattwj2002:

how hard is that to do in linux?

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wagnerrp:

very easy

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wagnerrp:

you just make a bridge device, and add the two networks to it

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wagnerrp:

assuming you can get them to both exist on the same subnet

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wagnerrp:

otherwise, youre going to have to set up as a router, which is really not much more complex

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xris:

lowone: you sure?

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lowone:

thats what the silicon dust forums have said... with the sd folks confirming it

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lowone:

and you use the sd driver package for it~

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xris:

yeah, it works like an hrhr prime as far as the SD software is concerned

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xris:

I just couldn't see a way to directly connect to it network-wise

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xris:

dmesg looks like it's pulling something over ipv6

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xris:

oh weird. maybe there *is* something here. I have an eth1 that I don't actually have.

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mattwj2002:

:)

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mattwj2002:

xris I am jealous of you

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mattwj2002:

you have your wintv box all ready

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mattwj2002:

I probably have to wait like 2 weeks

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wagnerrp:

well he did buy it like a month and a half ago

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mattwj2002:

good point

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mattwj2002:

I hate to wait for stuff like this

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lowone:

lots have had stocking issues with both... i came back from a vacation and saw it in stock on newegg and ordered my prime with 1day delivery and had it in hand 25hrs later.. was nice tell the part where you ahve to talk to comcast

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xris:

I didn't want to pay the full price of the prime. and don't need 3 tuners.

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mattwj2002:

yeah honestly that I think is going to be worse part

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xris:

hmm, looks like it has an IP, but no idea how to see what it is

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mattwj2002:

ifconfig ?

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mattwj2002:

oops

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mattwj2002:

arp -a

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** wagnerrp chuckles **

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mattwj2002:

assuming you have talked to for a while

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mattwj2002:

:)

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wagnerrp:

"CPU performance for Atom"

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mattwj2002:

hey that was a crack at me was it? :P

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wagnerrp:

is your name Josu Lazkano?

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mattwj2002:

no

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wagnerrp:

then no

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mattwj2002:

I was only kidding wagnerrp ;)

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xris:

mattwj2002: thanks. arp works. I forget about these things.

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wagnerrp:

yeah... matt... josu... just doesnt seem like a viable nickname

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mattwj2002:

your welcome

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xris:

looks like it comes up as one number below the IP it gives to the system

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mattwj2002:

what type of address?

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mattwj2002:

169?

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mattwj2002:

what is the first number?

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xris:

192.168.142.*

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k-man:

any idea why the make install of the perl and python libs would make the files read only after installing them?

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xris:

wonder what it would do if I had a 192.168 network

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wagnerrp:

why wouldnt they be read only?

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wagnerrp:

specifically, why would you want to write to them?

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xris:

644, no? or do they go 444?

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mattwj2002:

I don't know how you guys feel about used hardware...

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k-man:

wagnerrp, in my homebrew formula for compiling mythtv, it fails when it re-installs the libs because the old libs were read only

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mattwj2002:

but the original hdhomerun with dual tuners is selling used for $65 on Amazon.com

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wagnerrp:

i cant say ive noticed my files being read-only

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lowone:

xris, would depend on what netmask your using for your network and its network~ as long as they are isolated it wouldnt have problems

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k-man:

so i'd only want to write to them when re-installing over top, and homebrew's goal is to not use sudo or similar

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wagnerrp:

at least the python files, there really is no installer

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k-man:

wagnerrp, its ok, I haven't dug into it yet, I just wondered if someone knew something obvious that I didn't

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wagnerrp:

we just have a little definition file that tells the python installer what to do with the files

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xris:

lowone: right. just wondering what it would do if its setup *would* conflict… but I guess most home users wouldn't.

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wagnerrp:

in which case, it would be the python installer that is deciding to make those files read-only

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k-man:

wagnerrp, thanks, I'll dig into it further

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k-man:

wagnerrp, here's the error I get: http://pastie.org/2555320

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k-man:

acually, if I chmod the file, then make works after that... where does that file come from originaly?

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xris:

packlist? http://search.cpan.org/~yves/ExtUtils-Install . . . /Packlist.pm

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xris:

autogenerated by Makefile.PL

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k-man:

are packlists created read only for some reason?

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xris:

beats me

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k-man:

thanks xris

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xris:

mine is 644

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k-man:

strange

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k-man:

mine comes out 444 – anyway rebuilding to check

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k-man:

xris, http://pastie.org/2555380

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k-man:

so the packlist must be created at some earlier point?

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xris:

dunno

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vontrapp:

Quick question, I have myth running on a single OTA source, but there is one channel (CW) that is available on two streams, one is a substream on channel 4, and the other is the actual CW stream in full HD

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vontrapp:

Problem is, the regular full CW channel is flaky and will crap out at any hint of a storm, but the 4-subchannel is very stable, but not HD

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vontrapp:

is there any way to have myth check the signal before recording and 'choose' which channel to record from?

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notlistening:

when i run ssh myth-backend -XY mythtv-setup the setup facility tries to run mythbackend stop as root which i don't have the password for is there a way to specify which user it run as?

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vontrapp:

notlistening: why not ssh as the user you want?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv-setup runs as whatever user you started it as

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[R]:

vontrapp: no

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wagnerrp:

it doesnt try to `su` to root

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vontrapp:

also, X and Y do the same thing, but Y is without encryption. You just need one or the other, not both

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notlistening:

humm well when i login as the user i want it asks for login password which it wont accept

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notlistening:

to stop the service

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wagnerrp:

yep, thats not mythtv-setup doing that

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vontrapp:

[R]: :( ... any interest in hacking that feature? I could help some, but probably not for a few months yet

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[R]:

vontrapp: that would unnecessarily complicate the scheduler

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notlistening:

wagnerrp, what is doing that?

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wagnerrp:

vontrapp: the 'hacking' would be building your own high gain antenna to point at the transmitter

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[R]:

wagnerrp++

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wagnerrp:

notlistening: mythbuntu?

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vontrapp:

as it is, I can't enable that channel at all even though 60–70 % of the time it would work, and lots better

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vontrapp:

wagnerrp: good point ;)

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notlistening:

I just adthe mythbuntu repos to a ubuntu server so maybe

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wagnerrp:

then you arent running mythtv-setup, you're running mythtv-setup

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vontrapp:

notlistening: well then, after you ssh as root, run 'sudo -u <user> mythtv-setup'

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iamlindoro:

I'm gonna go hack myself some dinner

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wagnerrp:

notlistening: when you use the mythbuntu packages, you aren't running mythtv-setup the mythtv application, you're running mythtv-setup the shell wrapper around mythtv-setup.real

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iamlindoro:

then I'm going to hack the dishes

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iamlindoro:

then I'm going to hack myself a big ol' crap

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wagnerrp:

the shell wrapper is the one requiring root access

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iamlindoro:

"You keep using that word... I do not think it means what you think it means."

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wagnerrp:

not what i think it means? inconceivable!

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vontrapp:

well thanks guys. gonna be moving out of this apartment into a house soon (like a few months) anyway, so I'll be thinking about my antenna situation...

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wagnerrp:

there are sites that sell tuneable bandgap filters, that allow you to mix multiple directional antennas together

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vontrapp:

might not even need a better one as I'll be moving away from right across the street from an airport

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notlistening:

wagnerrp, running the script .real solved the issue

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notlistening:

now it freezes as I scan for channels :D

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wagnerrp:

.real isnt the script, its the real mythtv-setup, renamed from its original file

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wagnerrp:

mythtv-setup is the wrapper script

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notlistening:

wagnerrp, thats what i meant ;)

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notlistening:

could it be a homerun issue?

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notlistening:

It is a virtual machine ssh, low powered atom problem

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Twiggy2cents:

is a scaling cpu bad on a mythtv FE?

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wagnerrp:

virtual machine ssh low powered atom problem... that made no sense

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wagnerrp:

Twiggy2cents: only if you are using hardware decoding, and the graphics chip runs off your main system memory, and the memory bus downclocks with the CPU

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Twiggy2cents:

That is what I figured

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notlistening:

The ssh connection is not updating the screen even though it is still running due to cpu power on an single core of an atom machine

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wagnerrp:

your backend is on a single core atom?

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notlistening:

dual core really but virtualbox limits access to the 4 virtual cores

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wagnerrp:

you are running your backend, on a virtual machine, on an atom processor

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notlistening:

I am just playing

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Shadow__X:

wow

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Shadow__X:

and i thought my c2d machines have been showing their age

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xris:

Shadow__X: honestly, once you hit that 2Ghz mark to play HD, there isn't a huge reason to upgrade

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notlistening:

Oh they are Ion Atoms so they do HD fine

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Shadow__X:

xris: oh sure, i meant performance wise while working with vm among other things. So hearing someone run a backend of mythtv on a vm on an atom just really opens my eyes to what some people see as acceptable performance

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xris:

heh

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xris:

dunno. not much performance required out of a backend these days if it's not actually encoding anything.

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xris:

scheduler query would be horribly slow, but you rarely notice that.

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Shadow__X:

i agree but commflagging will be painfully slow on hd

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wagnerrp:

xris: until the scheduler query gets so slow that it disrupts recordings

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Shadow__X:

i can get away with live commflagging now on my 3ghz c2d

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Shadow__X:

i as most people here rather not have an underpowered machine

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xris:

Shadow__X: yeah, but if you don't record much, you might not notice

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Shadow__X:

perhaps, i know i do not record nearly as much as most of the higher use guys and i feel it at times

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xris:

speaking of commflagging.. I really need to find out why some of my recordings never get into the commflag queue

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xris:

or watch much, I guess...

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xris:

these days I get about 4 hours/week to watch tv.

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notlistening:

Channel scanning crashed just after this HDHRSH(12108575–0) Error: Set request failed

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notlistening:

eno: Resource temporarily unavailable (11)

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fleixius:

Anyone recommend a decent theme? I'm getting tired of the default wide.

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[R]:

thats why there is a theme chooser

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[R]:

pick one, if you like it, stick with it, if not, try another

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wagnerrp:

'default wide' is just the fallthrough options for any theme that doesnt define them

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wagnerrp:

its not a real theme

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** xris likes arclight **

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notlistening:

Can't finish a channel scan :(

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fleixius:

If I have 3 tuners and Im currently watching live TV on one, will myth auto select a tuner that is not being used

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notlistening:

if you are watching through myth and they are all configured

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fleixius:

They are all configured but I was just watching livetv, and a scheduled show came up asking if I would like to watch it as it records. I kindly said no, then ti changed the channel and started watching it

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fleixius:

I'll have to re-look at my configurations

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notlistening:

At the end of the scan it run this 1000's of times HDHRSH::TunerSet() Failed. Trying qam_16:634166670

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wagnerrp:

notlistening: if youre not sure, you generally try to confirm its a bug over here

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rseward:

Does anyone know why the mythtv upnp server rewrites file extensions to .txt ?

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wagnerrp:

is it actually rewriting the extension? or is it just defaulting to a text MIME setting because it doesnt know what the file is?

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notlistening:

wagnerrp, humm power cycled the homerun and it worked

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wagnerrp:

that happens occasionally

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wagnerrp:

ive had to do it maybe twice, others have had to do it more often

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notlistening:

i was running an old beta firmware until just

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notlistening:

part of the learning expereince

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k-man:

my homebrew formula now compiles a runnable mythfrontend executable

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k-man:

theres still a few issues with some file permissions I have not resolved yet though

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notlistening:

wagnerrp, on further investigation the problem is still there

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notlistening:

it drops into a loop each time trying to set the homerun to a channel and the only way to get it to continue is to power cycle the homerun

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Shadow__X:

hey guys just a head up i shaved off a few degrees by switching from artic silver 5 to artic cooling mx 4

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Shadow__X:

and its easier to spread

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k-man:

I prefer vegemite

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wagnerrp:

remind me in five years when my current tube runs out

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Shadow__X:

i have heard of people using toothpaste

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Shadow__X:

i reapplied the thermal compound on my gpu from factory compound to as5 and it was worse than stock

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Shadow__X:

now the gpu is running 4 degrees cooler even with the fan spinning slower

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wagnerrp:

fan? whats that?

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k-man:

wagnerrp, you run a fanless system?

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Shadow__X:

:)

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wagnerrp:

graphics cards, yes

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Shadow__X:

just to recap the convo from ealier, you are able to run a hauppauge wintv in linux with mythtv? or is the hdhr prime still a better bet

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wagnerrp:

the DCR-2650 and HDHR Prime are the same thing

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: i was running fanless on my other system for a while. Not by choice though the fan had seized :(

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Shadow__X:

its interesting to see how hot that 8400gs got

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** wagnerrp 's 8400gs came fanless **

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Shadow__X:

if i can recall correctly i say it hit 190 or so

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wagnerrp:

yeah, sounds about right

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Shadow__X:

the size of the heatsinks are much different

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Shadow__X:

yours runs at 190?

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wagnerrp:

those things are rated for operation well past boiling

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notlistening:

is there not a silicon issue there?

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Shadow__X:

whats the cap around 100C?

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notlistening:

think so

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wagnerrp:

you dont destroy hardware by overheating it

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wagnerrp:

at least not in the near term

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wagnerrp:

the problem is stability

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wagnerrp:

as you heat up, you start to lose accuracy

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wagnerrp:

bits flip when they shouldnt

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wagnerrp:

on a CPU, this is fatal

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wagnerrp:

on a GPU, you get some visual artifacts

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wagnerrp:

beyond that, even though they are far larger and far more powerful than CPUs, they are much simplier

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wagnerrp:

so its easy to make them operate stable at higher temperatures

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wagnerrp:

100–110C is not uncommon for graphics cards

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wagnerrp:

above that, you start to run into issues

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wagnerrp:

hell, one of the ways to "fix" the xbox360 after a RROD was to lock it up under full power and clog the vents

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wagnerrp:

it would heat up to ~200C or higher

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wagnerrp:

and the solder would reflow

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wagnerrp:

fixing the system

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Shadow__X:

yes but that issue is caused by poor heatsink design?

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Shadow__X:

it flexes the board

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wagnerrp:

the heatsink was insufficient

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wagnerrp:

so the board would heat up too much

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wagnerrp:

and too many heating and cooling cycles at that temperature would flex the board and damage the solder joints holding the CPU in place

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wagnerrp:

so the fix is to heat the system up sufficiently that the solder reflows and repairs the joints

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Shadow__X:

so thats why most of the kits designed to "fix" the issue make it harder for the board to flex?

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Shadow__X:

also ultimately wouldnt the system fail if you keep heating up the system to reflow the solder?

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wagnerrp:

if you stop the thermal flexing, you stop the damage to the solder joint

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wagnerrp:

why would it?

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wagnerrp:

the only things you could really damage would be hard drives and thermolytic capacitors

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wagnerrp:

youre not hitting temperatures hot enough to destroy any of the solid state stuff

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Shadow__X:

oh ok. I would think the constant reflowing to fix the issue would cause other problems

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Shadow__X:

i ask because i am clearly not sure

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wagnerrp:

well youre not /constantly/ doing it

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wagnerrp:

i mean one reflow means the system is as good as new

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wagnerrp:

meaning its several months to a year or more before you have the same problem

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Shadow__X:

but eventually it will happen again right? I know on my 360 i already had that issue and used the towel trick (awful thing to do) and now it seems to work again but was unsure if i should do anything further so i can prevent it from happening again

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notlistening:

I am amazed there is not more termal protection on the systems

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notlistening:

which would stop you fixing but please

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wagnerrp:

notlistening: if the 360 had thermal protection such that it would shut down before it reached a temperature where flexure would be a problem, no one would be able to use it

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wagnerrp:

say what you want about the games and performance of that console, but the mechanical design is awful

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Shadow__X:

i thought the newer ones were a lot better. The heat issue was due to microsoft being too cheap on the design.

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Shadow__X:

or atleast thats what i seems to remember reading somewhere, all of that can be completely wrong

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wagnerrp:

that console should have been about twice the size it was

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wagnerrp:

with 3x the heatsink, and an internal power supply

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wagnerrp:

actually, that console should have been exactly the size it was, but just one unit

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Shadow__X:

that is starting to sound like the ps3, in some aspects anyway

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wagnerrp:

exactly

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wagnerrp:

youve got a big huge console

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wagnerrp:

why the f--- do you give it a power brick

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[R]:

wagnerrp: thats what she said

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wagnerrp:

its not like its mobile

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wagnerrp:

its not like you can pick it up and use it without the power brick

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Shadow__X:

i was going to mention that i have seen my friends ps3 endure through 90f+ summer heat and still keep chugging along without an issue

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Shadow__X:

the 360 power brick is large in itself

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wagnerrp:

because it has a huge heatsink

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wagnerrp:

and an internal powersupply, with a fan

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wagnerrp:

did you know one of the failure modes for the 360 was the power brick overheating?

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Shadow__X:

yes

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wagnerrp:

a lot of people had to suspend it so it would cool sufficiently

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Shadow__X:

yup

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wagnerrp:

from a design standpoint, the physical console was a terrible failure

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Shadow__X:

yes

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Shadow__X:

the new one doesnt have the cooling issues though, right?

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wagnerrp:

i havent heard much

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wagnerrp:

is there still an external supply?

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xris:

notlistening: bugs at http://code.mythtv.org — otherwise we lose them

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Shadow__X:

apparently so

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Shadow__X:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-media/produ . . . &index=0

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Shadow__X:

ah the new one has a big vent on the side so that seems to help

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dekarl:

wagnerrp: The only problem I see lies in the refresh of today which might cancel recordings in progress. But that would be just consistent with EIT, don't know about SD. But I do like the idea of removing more of the options for micro management.

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dekarl:

Maybe it's time to fix the actual refresh of currently running recordings :)

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dekarl:

The refresh of current programs should be triggered more often for the slow (1-2–3 hours) grabbers already due to the new defaults for the running time being all day instead of shortly after beginning of a calender day. I'd say go ahead, it's making it consistent.

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k-man:

when I press play on a recording, it can take a number of seconds before it starts, is there some way to get mythtv to show some visual feedback so I know it received the button press and is working on playing the recording?

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hoolio:

mine says "please wait"

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k-man:

hmm... I wonder why mine does not

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xris:

k-man: what version?

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k-man:

.24.1

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k-man:

using mythcenter theme (in case thats relevant?)

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xris:

I thought there used to be a sort of splash page that it put up for that. maybe it depends on the theme?

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hoolio:

I'm using mythcenter too

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hoolio:

24.1

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xris:

I haven't noticed it in arclight, but haven't been looking either

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k-man:

I'll have to look into it a little when I get home

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hoolio:

although now i think about it i can't be sure whether it says "please wait" in mythvideo or recordings

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k-man:

I currently rely on the hdd light – if its solid, I can be fairly sure it received my keypress

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k-man:

hehe

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hoolio:

:) well that works

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hoolio:

is it a slow machine?

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k-man:

not particularly

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k-man:

its not too long I have to wait, only a second or two – but enough for me to wonder if it did in fact receive the keypress

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hoolio:

yeah ok

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cesman:

xris, regarding the ceton

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cesman:

xris: configure as usual (step in mythtv setup), after exiting, run the ceton perl script by ron fraizer, the mythfilldatabase

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cesman:

xris: you can ping me later should you have any other questions

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xris:

we were just curious how cable card stuff has been working for people. the cc for my dcr-2650 should show upon tuesday

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xris:

maybe I'll have some time tomorrow to poke around in the wiki about the hdhr prime

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dekarl:

wagnerrp: I just looked at your commit. I don't know what scripts it will break, but I don't see much gain. Wouldn't it be better to simplify the options to just a binary "refresh all or do the default grab"?

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dekarl:

I need to go and look at the archives, but I vaguely remember that SD is on its way to host the data themselves allowing to add better caching (e.g. like the datalist.xml.gz works for static xmltv guides). Which leaves XMLTV (as EIT doesn't use mythfilldatabase) where it's not a problem to refresh all (unless it's a web scraper that doesn't implement any caching and backoff and should be replaced by a variant of shepherd or eve

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stuartm:

dekarl: that was certainly the plan earlier, but with subscriber numbers dropping it may be that they no longer have the money to spend on the hardware/bandwidth

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justinh:

any news on what's going to happen to uk_rt ?

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justinh:

so far I'm just assuming 'no news == good news' :-)

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EvilGuru:

I doubt the new owners know about it

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EvilGuru:

if it doesn't make headlines or the balance sheet all is probably good

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justinh:

hmmm

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lapion:

wagnerrp, I might have found a new hint on the channel changing problem, if I am watching tv, and a recording of a different channel is started, and the channel is changed while watching, the recording shows up in the recordings list, the size grows in the list, however there is no file to be found anywhere, and playback is not possible.

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k-man:

so i've written a brew formula to build mythtv on mac OSX, would anyone care to try it out?

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prologic:

What's the key to skip commercials/ads ?

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justinh:

esc

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prologic:

eh wtf ?

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prologic:

:)

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justinh:

you should really read the 'daily use' section of the manual in the wiki

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sid3windr:

haha

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sid3windr:

esc works, you won't see the ads

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sid3windr:

:p

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prologic:

lol guys really funny

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prologic:

and it's not in the daily use guide I ton'd think

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prologic:

but I did find it anyway :)

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prologic:

Home/End

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prologic:

:)

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prologic:

one more question

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prologic:

how does one get PIP working ?

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prologic:

I think I'm missing something, but not sure what

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prologic:

C B N keys don't do anything, I have setup the two adapters and sources in the backend

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veehexx:

hey all – is anyone using an AMD Fusion system for a BE??

[12:39:57]

wagnerrp:

veehexx: the problem is lack of power

[12:40:10]

wagnerrp:

the scheduler needs power, it doesnt need it frequently, but when it does, it needs a lot

[12:40:19]

veehexx:

yeah, thats what im thinking.

[12:40:33]

veehexx:

it's going to be a split BE/FE setup (BE on 24/7)

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veehexx:

the atoms seem hit and miss on how well they'll run.

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wagnerrp:

a fusion system could probably handle a few dozen channels, and a couple tuners

[12:41:32]

wagnerrp:

its more powerful than a fusion, but only by maybe 30%

[12:41:54]

wagnerrp:

but if you have a large cable lineup, youre likely going to run into problems at some point

[12:42:13]

wagnerrp:

anyway, you can get full desktop systems to idle awfully low

[12:42:24]

veehexx:

i have 3 tuners (2 have multiplex ability) and generally have 1 HD (1080) and 1 SD any any one time.

[12:42:36]

wagnerrp:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/25w-performance-pc,2551.html

[12:42:57]

veehexx:

but it wouldnt be unheard of to have 1080p, SD recordings, and liveTV at once.

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veehexx:

money right now... fusion + 8gb ram can be had for £105. the i3 systems are more like £200 area.

[12:44:14]

stuartm:

8GB would be overkill for a dedicated BE

[12:44:29]

veehexx:

the hardware is going to be dual purpose...

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veehexx:

most of it all at idle usage. mythtv BE going to be the main CPU consumer.

[12:45:51]

justinh:

aria.co.uk has 4GB ddr3 for £13.99 today

[12:46:03]

justinh:

13.99 GBP for 4GB DDR3.. sheesh

[12:47:32]

veehexx:

eclipse do 8gb DDR3 for £30 (generic 1066 stuff)

[12:47:46]

veehexx:

problem with aria is P&P. elcipse is local to me.

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stuartm:

I'd suggest that even if you have an extremely powerful system it's better all around to hide the channels you will never ever watch and in any lineup you'll get plenty of those e.g. it could shopping, religion, pop music, telesales, sport, children's programming etc, depending on your personal tastes of course

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justinh:

aria is about 10 mins away from me :)

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veehexx:

thats what i currently do, stuart – i've got about 1/4 of the channels actually listed.

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stuartm:

that will give the scheduler an easy time and make browsing the channel guide easier, EIT data will also get updated more quickly for the channels you care about

[12:48:51]

veehexx:

the rest are not visable.

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justinh:

hmm that reminds me I never got around to patching the program finder to only search visible channels

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veehexx:

i know transcoding will take a hit moving from an E6550 to fusion, but i dont overly care about speed.

[12:49:35]

justinh:

wonder if anyone else did

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veehexx:

anyway.... whats the actual recording load on a myth BE? is it all offloaded so it just get written to the HDD?

[12:51:08]

veehexx:

or is it cpu intensive?

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justinh:

the scheduling can be cpu intensive

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stuartm:

recording is negligible

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justinh:

if you're not transcoding/commflagging or encoding in software, (i.e. using digital TV or analogue hardware encoders) backend load ave is pretty low

[12:52:23]

veehexx:

what would the effect be of slow scheduling though? sounds to me (a user!) like it'll just take more time todo the task.

[12:52:53]

justinh:

massive blips in system load can affect other things that need to take place

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stuartm:

we were demoing recording multiple channels on an old P2 or was it a Celly 900Mhz? justinh, what was that machine again?

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justinh:

e.g. an atom system acting as a backend, the scheduler runs.. and causes a jerk in playback on a remote frontend

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veehexx:

ah

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justinh:

stuartm: athlon 800

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stuartm:

veehexx: scheduling would just be a little slower that's all and probably not significantly so

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justinh:

we demoed a very reliable 800Mhz athlon serving to 2 other frontends & a local frontend

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stuartm:

justinh: heh right, figured it was somewhere in that ballpark

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justinh:

still got it somewhere. it's in my attic now

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veehexx:

ok, and just to be clear... when you say 'scheduling', you mean recording scheduling (matching 'record at anytime'/repeats), and EIT scheduled updates?

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justinh:

yes

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stuartm:

I've still got the laptop that was used as a frontend, iirc a Turion 1.6Ghz

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stuartm:

of course those were the days before HD

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veehexx:

also, scheduling = the less programs set to record = the less load?

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justinh:

not necessarily

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justinh:

I sometimes miss the expo get-togethers

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justinh:

AFAIK there still hasn't really been a UK linux gathering since the last LRL

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stuartm:

I don't think there has really been any gathering at all in years, the last time more than a couple of US developers got together was for SD (ignoring those that work together)

[13:10:01]

stuartm:

with Janne gone there's less likelihood of a European meet up

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laga_:

where.. is janne actually?

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k-man:

when I start mythbackend on this new install on my mac, it seems to get stuck on 2011-09–19 20:48:09.788 Upgrading to MythTV schema version 1226

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stuartm:

laga_: left to work on one of the ffmpeg forks full time

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laga_:

stuartm: oh. interesting. which one?

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stuartm:

k-man: stuck? How long did you leave it?

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laga_:

stuartm: full-time as in "paid work"?

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k-man:

a long time – and it was a new blank db

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k-man:

and here is the frontend long: http://pastie.org/2557441

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stuartm:

laga_: dunno, I didn't follow the whole mess, but he was one of the group that made the initial decision and effectively revoked commit access for the other devs

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stuartm:

laga_: no, he's not getting paid as far as I know, but I've not spoken to him since he stopped working on MythTV

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justinh:

wonder what's happening over there now then

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laga_:

ah, that one. okay

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stuartm:

k-man: sphery is our DB guru, you might have to ask him, but try to get a log with -v database

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k-man:

so I must have left it for over 2 hours like that

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k-man:

stuartm, yeah, I did, http://pastie.org/2557449

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k-man:

sphery, are you awake?

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justinh:

this LFS stuff continues to be er.. fun

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justinh:

so if libav the fork of ffmpeg or is it ffmpeg renamed and the current ffmpeg the fork? It's confusing

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k-man:

it seems its not able to create tables or something

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k-man:

show tables of mythconverg only lists 1 table: schemalock

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justinh:

ah. libav is the fork

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k-man:

and I just did a create table test; and it just hung after that

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k-man:

strange

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stuartm:

justinh: easier to view them both as forks, since neither one can really claim to be the original, it split right down the middle with one side owning trade marks, the other assets like the website etc

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justinh:

ah

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laga_:

lulz were had, i suppose

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justinh:

I've been told all this before I think but I keep forgetting

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stuartm:

justinh: I just stayed away from it, too depressing

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justinh:

yeah I find it very sad when projects come to stuff like that

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stuartm:

the same old stupid cycle of ego and people who think they can do better leading to a division of effort etc

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stuartm:

what you end up with is two or more weaker projects, developed at a slower pace instead with talent ultimately wasted

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justinh:

depends who stays with which project

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k-man:

it must be mysql in a funny state as I am able to create and drop other db's with tables

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k-man:

but drop database mythconverg hung also

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stuartm:

put it this way, would anyone have got commit privs in the first place if they weren't capable? Open source projects live or dies on the number of active developers, you need a healthy number to keep momentum

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stuartm:

k-man: :/

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stuartm:

anyhow, not much good comes of discussing it, this same conversation has been had by many people, many times before

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stuartm:

It's even included people who have agreed that forking projects can be detrimental and who have then gone on to do it anyway because they feel that their situation is somehow different

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k-man:

ok, got it working

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k-man:

must have been some weird issue with the db the first time I created it it. I dropped the db and user and started again from scratch and its working now

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k-man:

is there likely to be any interest in a homebrew recipe for building mythtv on osx?

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stuartm:

well I've done it now, I've ordered the new monitor ... hopefully I won't be disappointed

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k-man:

as an anternative to osx-packager.pl

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k-man:

stuartm, what monitor?

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stuartm:

LG IPS226V-PN

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stuartm:

my first IPS monitor, even if it is eIPS

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stuartm:

and three inches larger than my existing screens

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k-man:

what is IPS?

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k-man:

oh, as in the model of monitor

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stuartm:

better LCD tech than the cheaper TN

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k-man:

I see

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stuartm:

k-man: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/TFT_LCD

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stuartm:

it has much more accurate colour and better viewing angles

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stuartm:

thanks to the miracle of LED backlighting it should also use less watts than one of my current 19" screens too

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wagnerrp:

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wagnerrp:

tttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt ttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttually 24-bit

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k-man:

is there an fe setting to force it to connect to a specific be?

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k-man:

but still only 1080p resolution?

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stuartm:

but it's not a purchase I can really justify on any grounds, my current monitors do their job just fine, it's more of a 'I just want it' situation :)

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wagnerrp:

crap!

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wagnerrp:

i dont get it, some machines have no problem running xchat remotely, others crap out hard

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wagnerrp:

stuartm: what i was trying to say, it goes beyond poor color reproduction, most TN panels are only capable of 18-bit color

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wagnerrp:

6-bit per channel

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k-man:

wagnerrp, use irssi instead

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stuartm:

wagnerrp: aye, I knew that, although I couldn't seem to find anything on IPS color, or specifically e-IPS when researching – I figured it wasn't too important as it's still going to be better than my current gear

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k-man:

I'm frustrated that monitor manufacturers don't offer much that is higher than 1080p resolution, unless you want to pay through the nose

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stuartm:

I assume that all IPS screens are 8bit channel, except for P-IPS which is 30bit overall (not sure how that breaks down)

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k-man:

anyway, time for bed, night all

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skd5aner:

qwikster?????

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stuartm:

well 10bit per channel obviously .... but

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: maybe its just me, but anything with 'ster' in the name is bound for abysmal failure

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JEDIDIAH__:

Ah yes... the international justice league of super acquaintances...

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JEDIDIAH__:

naming your company after a spoof from SpongeBob is not cool.

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wagnerrp:

thats from spongebob?

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JEDIDIAH__:

It was a JLA/Superfriends spoof

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wagnerrp:

that sounds like all sorts of awful

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JEDIDIAH__:

that's what I thought when I saw the qwikster email (all sorts of awful). Thought it was spam, malware, or a spoof at first.

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justinh:

heh. this might take some time: Running /sources/gcc-4.5.2/gcc/testsuite/gcc.c-torture/compile/compile.exp

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skd5aner:

Yea, I just don't get a spin-off... last time I checked, earning a huge brand reputation, then tarnishing it, then dumping it into a no-name brand wasn't necessarily a great business model

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wagnerrp:

theres speculation they want to split it apart, so they can independently negotiate streaming content from their purchased DVDs

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Korny2:

uggg I just saw the netflix article, are they stupid?

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JEDIDIAH__:

I think without having their purchased DVDs to fall back on, they have no negotiating position.

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Korny2:

I meant their name.... but that too

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Roed:

Hi, i have just installed mythbuntu and is trying to setup EPG. I can search for programs in program finder, but when i go to program guide it just says Unknown (Unknown) Do someone know what i am doing wrong? Thanks in advance

[17:23:52]

wagnerrp:

are you running EIT or XMLTV?

[17:24:25]

Roed:

EIT

[17:26:40]

wagnerrp:

active or passive scan?

[17:26:41]

wagnerrp:

did you scan your channels using mythtv's scanner? or import a channels.conf?

[17:26:55]

Roed:

I scanned them with the scanner

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tgm4883:

sphery, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Rsyslog_Configuration is what you wanted me to update right?

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Roed:

wagnerrp, its like they somehow are not connected.. its strange

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wagnerrp:

Roed: if you are using passive scan, the eit only gets updated as you are recording

[17:35:00]

wagnerrp:

if you are using active scan, the backend should automatically start scanning for data after it has been idle for five minutes

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Roed:

Where can i put it to active or passive?'

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Roed:

wagnerrp, if its the option "Use DVB card for active EIT scan" it is enabled

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skd5aner:

wow, the "webmyth2" app for WebOS and touchpads is quite a nice mythtv tablet app

[18:07:33]

skd5aner:

https://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packa . . . man.webmyth2

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stuartm:

Roed: EIT takes a while to be collected – it only starts running 5 minutes after you start the backend and can take anywhere from 20 minutes to a couple of hours depending on the number of channels

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skd5aner:

http://code.google.com/p/webmyth2/

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Roed:

stuartm: ohh, well ill try waiting then to see what will happen

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Roed:

Thank

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Roed:

you

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ikevin:

hi

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dekarl:

stuartm: true, but on the other hand the manual refresh being always for the full time range shouldn't really be a problem for the TMS servers. => no problem to reduce the mfdb refresh to a full refresh.

[19:11:30]

stuartm:

dekarl: right, I wasn't suggesting otherwise just responding to your comment about SD's plans for hosting the data

[19:11:52]

stuartm:

Roed: how is it going (or not)?

[19:18:53]

dekarl:

btw, one week of swedb on amazon s3 (with just simple caching) costs <9USD http://translate.google.de/translate?hl=de&am . . . vslutat.html

[19:21:15]

iamlindoro:

Someone remind me to thank devin for throwing fuel on the fire

[19:21:37]

iamlindoro:

How many times do we have to tell people that a) they can submit patches, and b) we're rewriting setup the be more like they keep demanding?

[19:22:07]

iamlindoro:

It's as though users think we've been beaten to the point of mental retardation and can't think of ways to improve the channel scanner

[19:24:02]

mag0o:

gdiaf?

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iamlindoro:

Nah, he doesn't need to DIAF

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mag0o:

:)

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iamlindoro:

we just need a little more patience out of users and a chorus of "Yeah!!" every time someone suggests an obvious improvement to the channel scanner UI becomes frustrating after a while

[19:24:59]

iamlindoro:

Too many chiefs, not enough indians

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iamlindoro:

We're *not* going to rewrite the Qt scanner UI, we *are* going to write the web channel scanner UI which will incorporate a lot of usability improvements, what we need is not idea men, it's do-the-work men

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dekarl:

iamlindoro: I hope it's ok that I keep telling the european crowd that the DVB scanner will not improve lots unless there someone from DVB land who cares and codes ;)

[19:26:26]

iamlindoro:

dekarl: Probably true, though I know daniel has at least some interest in DVB scanning, and I've fixed a few obvious bugs here and there

[19:26:39]

iamlindoro:

but I stop short of major work on DVB scanning for fear of breaking it and never knowing

[19:27:39]

iamlindoro:

Also because there's a fairly substantial chunk of the standard that remains un-or-partially-implemented

[19:27:55]

iamlindoro:

That's the kind of work daniel loves, but only so many hours in the day

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dekarl:

true, and it's not so easy to understand...

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dekarl:

ahh, I appreciate that he started the conversion to UTC usage... there's only so many hours a day...

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EvilGuru:

iamlindoro: What is missing from DVB scanning?

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dekarl:

EvilGuru: from the top of my head... with patches theres Unicable support, Network_ID override support. without patches theres multiple transponders with the same transport...

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dekarl:

and missing handling of hardware that doesn't autodetect some parameters... always good for discussion if the driver or the application should handle that :(

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quicksilver:

I'm having trouble with phantom key presses

[20:52:24]

quicksilver:

I've replaced my keyboard, and I *think* I've disabled lirc entirely

[20:52:39]

quicksilver:

but they're still happening. xev shows them as presses on the Up arrow key

[20:52:50]

quicksilver:

any bright ideas how to diagnose further?

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wagnerrp:

roommate playing a trick?

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wagnerrp:

got any small devices attached to a spare USB port?

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quicksilver:

nope. the only thing attached to USB is the new keyboard

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quicksilver:

(but this problem existed before I got the new keybaord)

[20:55:06]

quicksilver:

and the IR itself, but that's inside the case

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quicksilver:

mind you it would be a good idea to pull that connection too

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quicksilver:

didn't think of that :)

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skd5aner:

is lircd running?

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quicksilver:

skd5aner: I killed it.

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skd5aner:

ps aux | grep lircd

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quicksilver:

so, no, it's not.

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skd5aner:

yea, but... just triple checking that it isn't running

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quicksilver:

and I moved the mythtv lircrc out the way too

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quicksilver:

yup, checked it a few minutes ago

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skd5aner:

does it happen outside of mythtv or system wide?

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quicksilver:

not 100% sure

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quicksilver:

I don't use this system for anything else

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quicksilver:

could kill mythtv and leave just xev running in an xterm

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skd5aner:

would tell you if it's a problem that's affecting everything or just mythtv... if it's just mythtv, it's likely lirc or some other weirdness

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quicksilver:

will try that when wife finishes watching TV then :)

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stuartm:

if xev sees the events then it's not mythtv

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stuartm:

it's a weird one though – wired or wireless keyboard?

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quicksilver:

this one is wireless USB however, it's new

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stuartm:

some wireless keyboards might be susceptible to radio interference which is interpreted as an 'up' key ... it's a long shot but if it's not reproducible with a wired keyboard that would rule it in or out

[21:01:42]

quicksilver:

when I first had this problem it was a wired PS/2 keyboard

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stuartm:

quicksilver: so not that then

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quicksilver:

I have even wondered if my PS2 port is malfunctioning

[21:03:43]

quicksilver:

but that's a weirdly specific mode of failure

[21:03:50]

quicksilver:

it's always the same keypress...

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quicksilver:

stuartm: is there any way to find out if the phantom presses are coming via the USB subsystem or the PS2 keyboard one?

[21:06:27]

stuartm:

you could cat /dev/input/by-id/{select device}

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quicksilver:

there is only one device in /dev/usb/ – that is, /dev/usb/hiddev0

[21:06:52]

quicksilver:

I think that eliminates the possibility that my IR receiver is cheekily pretending to be a keybaord

[21:07:49]

quicksilver:

yup, the only things in /dev/input/by-id/ are things associated with this wireless keybaord/mouse combo

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stuartm:

quicksilver: latest kernels translate IR events direct to key-presses

[21:08:07]

quicksilver:

latest? I'm on 2.6.24

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stuartm:

iirc 2.6.36 up, but distros could feasibly have backported that feature

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quicksilver:

I do have a spammy Pinnacle PCTV which complains about RF interference all the time with messages like the following:

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quicksilver:

Pinnacle PCTV: unknown key: key=0x39 raw=0x39 down=0

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quicksilver:

however that has always happened ever since I got the card

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quicksilver:

(which is years ago)

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stuartm:

hmm, wonder what key 57 maps to

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quicksilver:

some are 0x55, too

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quicksilver:

but that's all

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wagnerrp:

oh josu lazkano... why do you post screenshots of you running sasc?

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stuartm:

#define KEY_SPACE 57

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quicksilver:

so 0x55 = 85 = KEY_ZENKAKUHANKAKU

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stuartm:

oops, 0x37 is 55

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quicksilver:

apparently. (wtf)

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stuartm:

#define KEY_KPASTERISK 55

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skd5aner:

ZENKAKUHANKAKU – of course, I've been looking for that key

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quicksilver:

OK. Things to try : (1) run xev in an xterm to eliminate mythtv from the equation

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skd5aner:

I need to bind that to... uh.... mythhuludance

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quicksilver:

(2) is there something I can run on a text VT?

[21:14:04]

quicksilver:

a program which displays what keys are pressed

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skd5aner:

does it ever happen when the keyboard and/or mouse are not plugged in?

[21:15:14]

quicksilver:

I don't know the answer to that either. Can try certainly.

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iamlindoro:

User encounters issues running backend on ION systems, playback pauses during previewgen runs, news at 11

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: did you look at the screenshot? theres all sorts of fail there

[21:20:16]

wagnerrp:

actually, is htop showing an instance of the application for every individual thread?

[21:20:41]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: I didn't look at the screenshot

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iamlindoro:

oh jeez

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iamlindoro:

yeah, some illegal fail

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wagnerrp:

according to htop, he has six instances of mysqld, five of mythbackend, five more of mythfrontend

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wagnerrp:

on top of the sasc stuff

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iamlindoro:

and dropbox dicking around too

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wagnerrp:

and 372 processes...

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wagnerrp:

thats like three times what you should expect on a normal system

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wagnerrp:

perhaps four

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skd5aner:

hmmm, never used htop before... I kinda like it

[21:25:15]

skd5aner:

interesting... it shows 3 mythfrotends running for me :/

[21:25:43]

skd5aner:

whereas ps only shows the one

[21:27:22]

skd5aner:

top only shows the one too

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wagnerrp:

they do all have the same memory usage, which is why i was thinking it might be showing separate threads

[21:27:33]

skd5aner:

but htop shows 3 pids for mythfrontend

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wagnerrp:

threads do get their own pid

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skd5aner:

yea, probalby what's going on

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skd5aner:

threading

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wagnerrp:

likely the dozens of others for each application are all in idle loops or blocking

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wagnerrp:

and not using enough CPU to show up

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wagnerrp:

is it showing a ridiculous amount of processes?

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skd5aner:

mine?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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wagnerrp:

hes showing 372, which is absurd for anything besides a large application server with hundreds of preforked daemons

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skd5aner:

not particularly, besides those threads I discussed

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skd5aner:

tasks: 48, 107 thr; 1 running

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skd5aner:

48 tasks, 107 threads I assume

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wagnerrp:

yeah, that sounds normal

[21:30:34]

wagnerrp:

100 tasks sounds normal, even 150 tasks isnt abnormal

[21:30:37]

wagnerrp:

but 372???

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skd5aner:

that was my fe/be... he, my mbe/server has 49/123... very close to th same

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wagnerrp:

odd, top registers 98, but htop only 69

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quicksilver:

OK, now running xev in an xterm, have killed the frontend, will see what I see in the next 10 minute

[21:36:10]

quicksilver:

there we are. that didn't take long

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quicksilver:

keysym Up

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quicksilver:

so it's definitely not LIRC/myth related

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quicksilver:

I wonder if it could be those bonkers pinnacle cards tho

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quicksilver:

stuartm: OK there does seem to be a correspondance between those pinnacle TV log messages and my phantom keypresses

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quicksilver:

so suspicion falls firmly on that driver now

[21:54:38]

quicksilver:

I wonder why it only started happening recently after having the cards for 2 years tho

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stuartm:

is there anything connected to the IR on those?

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stuartm:

have you updated the driver/kernel recently?

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quicksilver:

nope

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quicksilver:

but of course the RF environment in my home might have changed to tickle them

[21:57:32]

quicksilver:

I haven't changed any software at all..

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quicksilver:

(I'm only guessing they are RF remotes but since they don't require line of sight that seems likely?)

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** quicksilver will search module docs to see if it's possible to turn off that subsystem entirely **

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stuartm:

RF remotes would be unusual, generally the devices require an IR receiver on the end of a long cable be plugged in and then placed somewhere in the line of sight

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stuartm:

but I've no experience of Pinnacle cards specifically

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skd5aner:

quicksilver: this is the kind of problem that just drives me up a wall... no rhyme or reason for something really rediculously annoying

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saintdev:

is anyone else having strangeness with schedulesdirect's suggested times?

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saintdev:

it will suggest a time 2 days in the future, which myth will then change to be only one day in the future. after that runs the next day, it will suggest a time a couple hours later. then that run will suggest a time 2 days later...repeat.

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mattwj2002:

hi all

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mattwj2002:

I have good news

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mattwj2002:

I get my box on Wednesday

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mattwj2002:

:D

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** mattwj2002 dances **

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wagnerrp:

you did it wrong

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wagnerrp:

its 'i have good news everybody'

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mattwj2002:

I did?

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mattwj2002:

oh

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mattwj2002:

:P

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wagnerrp:

and then you have to follow it up with terrible news

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mattwj2002:

lol

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stuartm:

heh, so TLS 1.0 is broken, lets see how many years it takes for everyone to support/switch to TLS 1.2

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mattwj2002:

like mythtv is being purchased by Microsoft and the source code is being copy protected?

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mattwj2002:

:P

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stuartm:

wagnerrp: e.g. "I have good news everybody – You're all fired, but I'm getting a promotion"?

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wagnerrp:

but youre the owner, you dont have anything to be promoted to

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mattwj2002:

:P

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stuartm:

mattwj2002: I'd love for a company to pay me £££ for the rights to my code, of course it doesn't revoke the GPL requirement ...

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wagnerrp:

it would be... 'good news everybody! i sold out to <competitor>! im rich but youre all fired!'

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mattwj2002:

:P

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stuartm:

oh ... wait I've just realised that working on MythTV isn't going to make me rich, crap, that's the last few years wasted then

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wagnerrp:

oh, its 'everyone', not 'everybody'

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wagnerrp:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubert_J._Farnsw . . . cterizations

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ace__:

hello all, I was wondering if there's some way to check the "resolution" of my channels

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Staticwave_Ace:

i.e. check which are HD

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wagnerrp:

you can record each, and then analyze the resultant video

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