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| [16:22:56] | MMlosh: | sphery, one-line question for the tuner locking – is that locking physical tuners, or virtual? (do I need 5 calls, or 1)? |
| [16:23:10] | skd5aner: | sphery: thanks just found it |
| [16:23:18] | sphery: | MMlosh: ummm... good question |
| [16:23:36] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i would hope locking the virt locks the whole physical |
| [16:23:41] | wagnerrp: | but i really dont know |
| [16:24:02] | sphery: | in reality, multirec was implemented wrong, and there should be one card with 5 virtual inputs, but for some reason it was made with 5 virtual cards and 5 virtual inputs |
| [16:24:33] | sphery: | since tuner locking happened before multirec, and since multirec makes virtual cards, I'd think that it may actually require 5 locks... not sure |
| [16:24:42] | wagnerrp: | mythtv automatically assumes each input cannot be used independently |
| [16:25:02] | sphery: | yeah, that might be enough to make it see that the other virtual cards aren't usable |
| [16:25:26] | sphery: | my recommendation would be to see what trial and error say--they tend to know a lot more details than me |
| [16:25:49] | skd5aner: | is mythffmpeg always installed when mythtv is installed? |
| [16:26:09] | skd5aner: | and, does nuvexport look for mythffmpeg? |
| [16:26:27] | MMlosh: | ok.. I'll try.. if the tuner's "lock LED" comes off, it'll be the right way |
| [16:26:28] | wagnerrp: | yes, dont know |
| [16:26:32] | wagnerrp: | oh look, ive got a ticket |
| [16:27:45] | sphery: | MMlosh: well, it will mean that mythtv's starting a new recording using that card won't affect the radio recordings--but mythtv could very well try to start a recording, have it fail, and cause messed up recording schedules where you end up with unimportant shows succeeding and important ones failing |
| [16:28:05] | sphery: | so you need to make sure that mythtv never tries to use that tuner |
| [16:28:26] | MMlosh: | sphery, the system has only one tuner.. which glows any time mythtv is running |
| [16:28:44] | sphery: | easiest way is to remove all capture cards except for one multirec one, then lock one virtual tuner on that multirec set, then try to start Live TV and/or recording |
| [16:29:01] | MMlosh: | I sometimes need that usb port for other purposes.. it's my fault if I forget to replug it.. or turn on the computer at all |
| [16:29:11] | sphery: | (and by that I mean remove from mythtv--not from the computer) |
| [16:29:19] | MMlosh: | heh.. sure .. I know |
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| [16:32:22] | sphery: | wagnerrp: hehe, I was just thinking about the effect that the "proper" implementation of multirec would have on MythTV--where proper means there exists only one capture card and multiple virtual card inputs... It turns out it would make Live TV behave like the majority of users want. |
| [16:32:56] | sphery: | i.e. when you start Live TV and tuner 1 is locked to a mux with 4 other virtual inputs free, Live TV would pick tuner 2, which is not in use |
| [16:33:10] | ** sphery thinks we should fix the design ** | |
| [16:33:37] | sphery: | (though it's way down on my list of things to do because, for one thing, testing it and knowing I did it right would be very hard for me) |
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| [16:34:25] | sphery: | it would also make MMlosh's question a moot point (since there would be only one capture card to lock)... And skd5aner would be happy because his Live TV would work the "intuitive" way. |
| [16:34:38] | sphery: | :) |
| [16:34:59] | MMlosh: | sphery, you mean.. livetv would use the tuner that is already locked to that freq... and use different tuner if not? that would be really great |
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| [16:35:50] | sphery: | no, I mean if physical card 1 is in use and you start Live TV, Live TV would always use physical card 2--meaning you could watch anything on any mux |
| [16:35:53] | MMlosh: | sphery, will that involve ability to switch to a channel from a different mux? simply pressing the numbered key on the remote? |
| [16:36:07] | sphery: | though it does mean if a 3rd request comes in and you only have 2 physical cards, they wouldn't get Live TV |
| [16:36:18] | sphery: | (not even on the same muxes that are available) |
| [16:36:37] | MMlosh: | oh.. that behavior would be better.. but I sure would end up with all tunners on same freq by an accident |
| [16:36:52] | sphery: | i.e. Live TV makes use decisions by card... recordings make use decision by input |
| [16:37:24] | MMlosh: | Which means I'll probably put a layer between mythtv and tuners anyway... If I ever decide to touch my setup |
| [16:39:01] | sphery: | yeah, even as it is, when you're watching Live TV, you likely end up with multiple tuners on the same mux |
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| [16:40:24] | sphery: | because if you start Live TV, switch tuners so you can switch off the mux that's in use, then the recording that locked the tuner on the first mux ends and a new recording starts on the mux you're currently watching in Live TV, it will use the other tuner--the one you switched off of so you could gain control of the physical tuner so you could switch to a different mux |
| [16:40:43] | MMlosh: | sphery, one more idea – would having one tuner per mux help? |
| [16:40:58] | sphery: | one physical tuner per mux? |
| [16:41:01] | MMlosh: | yes |
| [16:41:10] | MMlosh: | it's not hard for dvb-t |
| [16:41:10] | sphery: | if so, then yes, that will help for recordings |
| [16:41:39] | sphery: | but you really need one physical tuner per mux + one physical tuner per Live TV session if you want Live TV users to be able to change to any channel on any mux |
| [16:41:40] | MMlosh: | I would need to create separate "source" for each mux.. and such |
| [16:41:58] | MMlosh: | oh... right.. livetv sessions can't switch inputs |
| [16:42:03] | MMlosh: | so livetv would... suck |
| [16:42:30] | MMlosh: | I ment – configuring only channels from one mux per the source |
| [16:43:01] | sphery: | or, as you said, you could put a layer in there where MythTV uses some "script" that tunes the appropriate channel on the appropriate mux using one of your 4 "always-locked-to-one-mux" cards |
| [16:43:12] | MMlosh: | so.. using something stupid like dvblast under mythtv and stream would still provide better resuts |
| [16:43:26] | sphery: | where this "script" may actually need to be a V4L virtual tuner--or, at minimum, an IPTV type approach |
| [16:43:57] | MMlosh: | that's what dvblast does.. recieves a mux, splits it and broadcasts on the net |
| [16:44:35] | MMlosh: | maybe I could try it.. if it can broadcast all the ( radio + tv ) streams, it + wget would be a way to go |
| [16:44:39] | sphery: | yeah, that would be a good way of doing it if you have one card per mux and want a simple Live Tv interface |
| [16:44:41] | wagnerrp: | http://www.thespacereview.com/article/1893/1 |
| [16:45:26] | sphery: | if you do set it up, please document it on the wiki--a /lot/ of users would like that, and I'd much rather recommend that approach than the "break your MythTV setup by prioritizing Live TV over recordings" approach that we have been "recommending" |
| [16:45:58] | sphery: | MMlosh: no need for wget for mythtv, though--we have an IPTV interface that works with, at least, vlc's streaming server |
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| [16:47:00] | MMlosh: | sphery, I mean wget + dvblast for the radio recording thing.. I might never do |
| [16:47:40] | MMlosh: | it would be a good way to test if the 5-per-hardware-tuner limit is hardware or sanity type |
| [16:47:53] | sphery: | yeah, that's true |
| [16:48:13] | sphery: | trying to find a wiki article that would be the perfect starter for setting up such a config |
| [16:48:17] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: does nuvexport automatically look for mythffmpeg? |
| [16:48:17] | MMlosh: | also: dvblast does not take priorities.. it can duplicate any streams.. serve everyone |
| [16:48:22] | wagnerrp: | sphery: you would find that link amusing... your proximity to such things and all |
| [16:48:38] | sphery: | reading |
| [16:50:13] | sphery: | wagnerrp: wow, I could help them out--gotta make a call |
| [16:50:58] | MMlosh: | sphery, All that would be needed is mythtv's ability to parse EPG from dvblast's streams.. (probably mpeg-ts with an epg pid?).. or extra tunner, only for epg collection |
| [16:53:54] | sphery: | or just use the xmltv eit grabber |
| [16:53:57] | sphery: | whatever it is |
| [16:54:22] | sphery: | then use mythfilldatabase --file to import the data from the resultant xmltv file(s) |
| [16:57:51] | skd5aner: | Beirdo: ah, it looks like master is set to look for ffmpeg or mythffmpeg, but it has not be backported to 0.24-fixes... is that correct |
| [16:59:10] | sphery: | MMlosh: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Multiple_Recordings_with_VLC is the page that's a good starter for how to (it's using vlc, but I guess dvblast is an updated/more-integrated approach to do the same) |
| [16:59:23] | MMlosh: | sphery, yes.. pulling epg from web would help.. if there was a usable source |
| [16:59:47] | sphery: | MMlosh: the xmltv eit grabber pulls it from the eit data in the stream and writes it to an xmltv file |
| [17:00:29] | sphery: | so you'd run that against your locked-to-a-mux capture card to create an xmltv file with listings for that mux, then do the same for the other 3 or however many muxes, then just run mythfilldatabase --file to import those files |
| [17:00:56] | MMlosh: | sphery, will that work with dvblast's ip stream... |
| [17:01:09] | MMlosh: | oh.. you think dvblast will let the grabber touch the tuner? |
| [17:01:13] | sphery: | used to be called tv_grab_eit, but there have been many other implementations since, and I don't remember the current name |
| [17:01:28] | sphery: | yeah, you'd have to run it on the physical tuner |
| [17:01:59] | sphery: | not sure if the programs would like that much--but, in theory, if each knows of only one mux and if the drivers allow multiple opens, it should work |
| [17:02:36] | sphery: | i.e. you won't have to worry about one tuning to a different frequency if you have a separate channels.conf for each mux/tuner |
| [17:02:38] | MMlosh: | the program includes eit in the iptv streams.. it's only the matter of getting it from there.. |
| [17:03:02] | sphery: | and if that's the case, you could just make a nice tv_grab_dvblast program :) |
| [17:03:19] | wagnerrp: | sphery: if you 'QString host;', and then push host into a database query without defining it, what should it be? |
| [17:03:21] | MMlosh: | yeah.. that would probably work... |
| [17:03:23] | wagnerrp: | '' or NULL? |
| [17:03:40] | sphery: | (though if you wanted, you could integrate it into mythtv's iptv code--assuming it's a reasonably "standardized" format for the data) |
| [17:03:43] | sphery: | wagnerrp: NULL |
| [17:04:09] | MMlosh: | unless there is ready-made tv-grab-vdr that would pull EPG from vdr's text-cache (vdr is simpler media center) |
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| [17:04:30] | MMlosh: | I would want to change how EIT is processed anyway.. they cram up everything in the title here... |
| [17:04:32] | sphery: | which is why since danielk's changes to the database code, we're needing to change all sorts of QString() to QString("") or do as he does and just check it in the INSERT statement |
| [17:04:48] | sphery: | (with a ternary operator checking for null and using '' or the value) |
| [17:05:06] | MMlosh: | "Match duplicates by title" would quite help in those conditions.. I end up with dupes.. no matter how it's set |
| [17:05:18] | sphery: | tv_grab_dvb is one of the implementations that got eit |
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| [17:05:45] | sphery: | it's not maintained, anymore, though, so doesn't seem to be the current one |
| [17:05:49] | sphery: | http://bryars.eu/projects/tv_grab_dvb/ |
| [17:06:26] | wagnerrp: | sphery: yeah, looking at #10040, which is one of those cases |
| [17:07:18] | sphery: | wagnerrp: is that the jobqueue one? |
| [17:07:27] | sphery: | if so, I don't see how NULL is getting into a not null column |
| [17:07:29] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [17:07:33] | MMlosh: | heh.. he is an IPv6 SAGE like me... |
| [17:07:34] | sphery: | now if he's saying the insert fails... |
| [17:07:52] | wagnerrp: | SAGE? |
| [17:08:32] | wagnerrp: | so isNull? |
| [17:08:39] | MMlosh: | that's the highest rank in the certification |
| [17:08:42] | sphery: | wagnerrp: http://pastebin.com/9YdKUzqK ... note the "NO" for "Null" for hostname |
| [17:08:56] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i didnt think that table supported NULLs either |
| [17:09:11] | wagnerrp: | but if its failing the insert instead, the code is still broken |
| [17:09:15] | sphery: | I thought it was /supposed/ to be written as '' so that any host could pick it up |
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| [17:09:30] | sphery: | yeah, but would be nice to have a proper description there or something |
| [17:09:37] | sphery: | maybe at least a log showing the failure |
| [17:09:52] | wagnerrp: | right, it should be an empty string |
| [17:09:54] | sphery: | anyway, I didn't get a chance to send a reply asking if it's an insert failure |
| [17:10:04] | wagnerrp: | specifically, the jobqueue is searching for an empty string |
| [17:10:35] | sphery: | (though danielk has a "fall back to '' for any null columns if the insert fails hack in our code, now, so it shouldn't fail--it should just insert with '' and write a log message saying that the code needs fixing) |
| [17:10:57] | wagnerrp: | im all for the quick fix now |
| [17:11:08] | wagnerrp: | rather than digging into something im going to be replacing in a couple months anyway |
| [17:11:37] | sphery: | yeah, just changing hostname to be initialized as QString("") needs done now |
| [17:12:23] | sphery: | if it's using QString()... but by my reading there is no possible way the behavior he describes could happen with a valid DB schema |
| [17:12:32] | MMlosh: | which reminds me, that I was unable to persuade 0.24 from the repo to transcode to mpeg4.. I ended up with nuppelvideo |
| [17:13:04] | sphery: | MMlosh: it's MPEG-4 video codec in the NuppelVideo container |
| [17:13:07] | wagnerrp: | MMlosh: thats mpeg4 |
| [17:13:25] | wagnerrp: | anything but lossless mpeg2->mpeg2 will result in a nuppelvideo file |
| [17:13:40] | sphery: | just like you can put mpeg-4 in avi or in any of a number of other containers |
| [17:13:42] | MMlosh: | ah.. thanks for clarification |
| [17:13:44] | wagnerrp: | you really dont want to use mythtranscode for anything but lossless |
| [17:13:50] | sphery: | agreed |
| [17:13:53] | sphery: | transcode is a waste of electricity |
| [17:14:03] | MMlosh: | thanks for letting me know... |
| [17:14:16] | MMlosh: | too bad ffmpeg does not get timing right from the mpeg-ts streams |
| [17:14:35] | sphery: | and until Germany replaces the Black Forest with the Silicon-Panel Forest, our world can't afford to waste electricity. |
| [17:14:47] | MMlosh: | and also creates gilberish.. even oh -sameq.. |
| [17:15:20] | sphery: | MMlosh: if you are transcoding and want a "mp4" file for playback on an iThingy or whatever, you should look at nuvexport |
| [17:15:39] | mycosys: | mplayer is good for transcoding if u must |
| [17:15:44] | sphery: | which will actually transcode from NUV or MPEG |
| [17:17:27] | wagnerrp: | our world cant afford for germany to replace the black forest with the sand forest |
| [17:17:38] | wagnerrp: | it takes too much energy to melt and purify that stuff |
| [17:18:02] | MMlosh: | sphery, yes.. I am currently using mencoder... even though deprecated, it creates nice x264 files |
| [17:18:03] | wagnerrp: | with subsidization, bulk silicon panels are a solar battery |
| [17:19:12] | wagnerrp: | s/with/without/ |
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| [17:40:50] | Steeltip: | hi @ all |
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| [17:48:49] | sphery: | hello |
| [17:49:17] | sphery: | wagnerrp: solar battery? how? |
| [17:49:24] | sphery: | (is this a good thing?) |
| [17:50:28] | wagnerrp: | sphery: meaning... with all the energy that goes into refining and building it, you dont get all that much more energy out of it |
| [17:50:42] | wagnerrp: | so as an energy producer, its not that good |
| [17:50:46] | sphery: | ahhh, yeah |
| [17:51:09] | wagnerrp: | but, it does let you run detached from the power grid for years or decades, with decent power generation |
| [17:51:22] | wagnerrp: | making it more like a battery technology than power generation |
| [17:51:48] | sphery: | agreed... and the only change subsidization makes is making it more affordable, right? |
| [17:51:55] | wagnerrp: | the only reason it is an all economical is due to heavy subsidies and favorable power exchange rates |
| [17:52:04] | sphery: | ok, cool |
| [17:52:08] | wagnerrp: | s/an/at/ |
| [17:52:19] | sphery: | wasn't sure what you meant, but now I understand--and completely agree |
| [17:52:51] | sphery: | I've heard even wind turbines have a huge production energy cost compared to lifetime power generation |
| [17:53:13] | wagnerrp: | dont know anything about their costs |
| [18:00:22] | Steeltip: | Is there anyone , who would be so kind helping me getting my new dvb-s card running under mythtv ? I have the following problem, mythtv seems to find channels since i compiled and installed the latest v4l driver, but when i start livetv in frontend it quits immitiately, thats the last output : http://pastebin.com/1YsspSDw |
| [18:00:56] | sphery: | what's the backend log say? |
| [18:02:47] | Steeltip: | Oh no |
| [18:03:05] | wagnerrp: | the log says "Oh no"? ive got to see this |
| [18:03:23] | Steeltip: | permissions denied for video storage, ... i am a shame now, sorry for disturbing |
| [18:03:28] | Steeltip: | :) |
| [18:04:07] | sphery: | hehe, no problems--just glad it was an easy fix |
| [18:08:26] | Steeltip: | cani recive EPG via DVB-s ? |
| [18:09:32] | sphery: | we support EIT, if your provider sends it, you can use it |
| [18:09:47] | xris: | yay, comcast appt on tuesday for the cablecard |
| [18:10:14] | sphery: | I think most DVB countries tend to provide EIT data |
| [18:10:41] | sphery: | xris: so did the tuner arrive yesterday or something? |
| [18:10:44] | xris: | yeah |
| [18:10:46] | sphery: | nice |
| [18:10:48] | xris: | works for qam |
| [18:11:06] | xris: | silicondust software sees it as an hdhr prime |
| [18:11:28] | xris: | looking forward to eventual removal of both bulky cable boxes |
| [18:11:29] | sphery: | yeah, will be nice to finally get the cablecard support, though |
| [18:12:06] | sphery: | It sounds like the cable company didn't make it as easy as for some |
| [18:12:15] | Steeltip: | my epg , doesnt seem to fill up with data !?! do i have to do something manually ? |
| [18:14:25] | wagnerrp: | sphery: cehck out #10040 |
| [18:14:35] | wagnerrp: | wonder how he got his that way |
| [18:15:56] | xris: | sphery: oh? |
| [18:16:15] | xris: | I just told them I have windows media center. :) |
| [18:16:58] | xris: | which technically I do. I assume it's in windows 7 somewhere. just means I'd have to fire up vmware. |
| [18:17:32] | wagnerrp: | depends on your version of 7 |
| [18:17:53] | wagnerrp: | home premium and ultimate come with it, the lower end and business grades do not |
| [18:18:05] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, that's definitely broken... https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . ck.cpp#L6319 is valid as of schema 1280, and 1281 didn't change hostname :) |
| [18:18:49] | xris: | wagnerrp: ah, mine's probably pro |
| [18:19:07] | sphery: | Steeltip: if you enable EIT (on the video source and the channel) and set at least one capture card to be used for EIT collection, it should just work--though it may take a long time to initially populate the listings |
| [18:19:44] | xris: | oh well. I should be able to test easily enough with the hdhomerun software and vlc. |
| [18:20:01] | sphery: | Steeltip: also note that we have a checkbox allowing you to select "Active EIT scan"--meaning it makes use of your tuners when they're not otherwise in use to scan various muxes for EIT data. If you don't enable that, we only collect EIT data on the channels you're currently watching/recording |
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| [18:22:08] | sphery: | wagnerrp: if you'd like to recommend he fix it, you can have him run: ALTER TABLE jobqueue MODIFY hostname varchar(64) OT NULL default ''; |
| [18:22:18] | sphery: | er, NOT |
| [18:22:33] | sphery: | ALTER TABLE jobqueue MODIFY hostname varchar(64) NOT NULL default ''; |
| [18:23:02] | sphery: | though, if it were me and if I couldn't explain how that column got to be nullable, I wouldn't trust any part of the schema and would actually do a partial restore |
| [18:23:20] | sphery: | (that way mythtv creates a new, valid schema, then I just restore data into it) |
| [18:28:18] | Steeltip: | playCtx, Error: Attempting to setup a player, but it already exists. |
| [18:28:23] | Steeltip: | what does that mean ? |
| [18:29:10] | sphery: | I'd recommend you try a reboot--that may just be because of the config errors you had before (and a reboot will fully reset everything--hardware and software) |
| [18:29:35] | sphery: | if that doesn't help, you may have a different configuration error somewhere in your input connections and/or disecq config |
| [18:30:11] | sphery: | you can check to make sure you configured right by looking at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/DVB-S |
| [18:30:14] | Steeltip: | hm?, ok , see you and thank you very much for givving me hints |
| [18:30:19] | sphery: | good luck |
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| [18:36:00] | sphery: | Why do analysts claim that HP's $100 Touchpad firesale proves that tablets aren't a failed concept and that the Touchpad could have a future... The demand was for a $100 touchscreen toy with reasonable hardware, not for a Touchpad. And, since HP took something like a $200 loss on each one at that price, it's not like they could save the Touchpad line by continuing to sell them for $99--after all, their CEO isn't Milo Minderbinder. And ... |
| [18:36:06] | sphery: | ... even once prices are such that you can sell a nice touchscreen display in a computer for $99, it's not like there's going to be a lot of profit margin in that. |
| [18:37:45] | sphery: | (where the $200/touchpad loss is only considering hardware costs) |
| [18:38:14] | justinh: | gah. backend deadlocks. same time today as yesterday :-\ |
| [18:38:24] | justinh: | wonder if the frontend can be causing em |
| [18:38:37] | justinh: | no deadlocks when we were on holiday all week last week |
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| [18:41:19] | sphery: | same time, like to the minute (maybe a cron thing?) |
| [18:41:29] | sphery: | or same time, like "during viewing hours" |
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| [18:44:04] | justinh: | sphery: the latter |
| [18:56:47] | wagnerrp: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9S75Rfva9O8 |
| [18:56:51] | stuartm: | sphery: right, it's the notebook fiasco all over again, people went crazy for them when you had the first Asus and Acer models at between £100–200, so every manufacturer started releasing their own version but started pricing them > £200 and didn't find the demand, instead of understanding that their pricing was the problem the industry just announced that netbooks were fad that had come and gone |
| [18:58:36] | sphery: | yeah... I assume you mean, specifically, the netbooks? |
| [18:58:55] | ** skd5aner received his HP touchpad yesterday (finally) ** | |
| [18:59:00] | sphery: | ah, yeah, 2nd time you said netbook |
| [18:59:12] | sphery: | skd5aner: I'm impressed you were able to get that order in |
| [18:59:16] | stuartm: | no matter what Apple thinks, a tablet is not a replacement for a computer, it's a portable web/photo/video browsing tool and as such it needs to priced much cheaper than a far more capable laptop to sell in volume |
| [18:59:25] | skd5aner: | sphery: took about an hour to do on that Saturday... |
| [18:59:30] | stuartm: | sphery: typo :) |
| [18:59:36] | skd5aner: | sphery: on the SMB website] |
| [18:59:46] | sphery: | yeah... most of what I've heard is that tablets seem to be used primarily as a diversion |
| [18:59:47] | skd5aner: | sphery: constantly reloading, etc |
| [18:59:58] | sphery: | i.e. it's something to play with when you're sitting around waiting |
| [19:00:07] | sphery: | or something to play with during commercials while you're watching tv |
| [19:00:23] | sphery: | it's not something you actually use to "Create"--in spite of the Apple ads that claim otherwise |
| [19:00:23] | stuartm: | Apple can charge £400+ because people buy into the branding, like £100 for Levi jeans when you can buy equally well made ones for less than half that price |
| [19:00:27] | Korny2: | Commercials? |
| [19:00:59] | sphery: | Korny2: it's something that people who use AppleTV have to put up with since they don't have a cool DVR like MythTV :) |
| [19:01:13] | skd5aner: | I saw that the "Windows 8" based tablet OS will also not run traditional software and will require an app store |
| [19:01:33] | skd5aner: | well, I should say, won't run software that would run on a standard Windows OS platform |
| [19:01:42] | stuartm: | as someone eloquently put it, if Apple put their logo on dog shit and called it an iTurd they'd sell thousands of the things at whatever price they asked |
| [19:01:52] | sphery: | skd5aner: yeah, though I've heard that the Win8 tablet/phone UI puts Apple's to shame--and this was from a site that's about as anti-all-things-Microsoft as they get |
| [19:01:56] | Korny2: | Apple fanboys are silly |
| [19:02:24] | skd5aner: | stuartm: which is usually enough in-and-of-itself to turn me off from the majority of apple products |
| [19:02:26] | sphery: | skd5aner: they actually said it's proof that Apple is resting on its laurels and hasn't made any significant change to iOS (other than the name ;) since it was first released |
| [19:02:48] | sphery: | pretty much all they've done is add features that /should/ have been in the first version (things like copy/paste and multitasking and ...) |
| [19:02:58] | Korny2: | Things android did first? |
| [19:03:14] | skd5aner: | sphery: why change something the majority of the consumers aren't clamoring for? I mean... people will take apple stuff at any maturity level and think it's perfect |
| [19:03:25] | stuartm: | skd5aner: the hardware isn't fast enough, you probably won't see really fast hardware in that form factor for years, if they permitted any windows app to run then all you'd ever hear about the Windows tablets is "It doesn't run XYZ very well" which would be enough to kill sales dead |
| [19:03:52] | justinh: | ARGHHH gnu.org is still playing "muh, we got haxx0r3d" |
| [19:03:53] | skd5aner: | yea, I think it'll be an ARM platform |
| [19:04:08] | justinh: | how long have they had to change all their frickin keys?! |
| [19:04:15] | sphery: | skd5aner: true--business wise, apple has done all the right things... but that doesn't mean it's good for the consumer. It will be nice, if Win8's interface is really that much improved, to finally have some competition so that the industry progresses |
| [19:04:45] | skd5aner: | I'm still fimly in the android camp – although I have some reservations and mild complaints |
| [19:04:52] | skd5aner: | er, firmly |
| [19:05:18] | Korny2: | I'm still waiting for a drastic improvement over my current phone :/ Just a regular evo 4g :/ |
| [19:05:32] | sphery: | and, yes, I'm completely discounting Android, "the iOS for people who are too sensible to pay Apple prices," since it's taking the typical approach a lot of GNU/Linux-based projects take--the approach where they're trying to create something "as good as" (never aiming to do better nor redefine) |
| [19:05:43] | stuartm: | justinh: the idiots are paying the price for giving everyone who asked an account on the servers and failing to enforce strict rules preventing the re-use of keys etc |
| [19:06:04] | skd5aner: | sphery: yea, that's true to an extent I suppose |
| [19:06:11] | justinh: | stuartm: how long have their essentials been offline? it's a bugger to find any mirrors |
| [19:06:35] | justinh: | I heard about it last week or so.. I'd have expected maybe a couple of days not this |
| [19:06:42] | stuartm: | justinh: but I hestitate to say that knowing that we're not exactly enforcing the strictest of policies on the mythtv server |
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| [19:07:30] | sphery: | skd5aner: besides, Android is a murky mess of licensing and other issues since Google forked the Linux kernel, forked Java (without any licenses, etc.), and didn't use any POSIX'ly-correct system design, but built their own from the file system up |
| [19:07:57] | skd5aner: | sphery: why do you think they just bought 18000+ patents? :) |
| [19:08:12] | stuartm: | justinh: a few days I guess, and yes, it's a surprise it's taking them so long to sort out – again probably a question of insufficient backups and they can't restore whatever they've got because they don't know if it was tainted |
| [19:08:12] | skd5aner: | defense baby! |
| [19:08:43] | sphery: | if they were just doing to do a ground-up design, why did they have to steal Java to do so instead of creating their own language--or using one or more of the /many/ languages Google has created |
| [19:09:25] | stuartm: | Google Android has some pretty serious issues, namely Google, I'm looking forward to some of the forthcoming non-Googly forks |
| [19:10:02] | justinh: | I look fwd to having a non-stock phone rom that doesn't bloody crash |
| [19:10:06] | sphery: | yeah, Googorola is likely to be the end of the "we all trust Google to do their closed development and then gift the OS to the world" approach |
| [19:10:59] | sphery: | imho, Android is more like public domain software with a Google copyright than Free software |
| [19:11:13] | sphery: | if they want to call it Free, they should have an open development process |
| [19:11:43] | justinh: | I'd rather have a phone OS which is properly tested. I care not whether it's open |
| [19:12:19] | justinh: | ooo, crashes when you use the GPS? Ha! |
| [19:12:23] | sphery: | justinh: +1... I have an Openmoko Freerunner and a Blackberry Pearl. I've never used the Freerunner as a phone, and my Blackberry phone works great. |
| [19:13:11] | sphery: | of course, since the whole world thinks it's ios vs android, I'm starting to think I may be getting an android in the future--after RIM folds--as the lesser of 2 evils |
| [19:13:24] | justinh: | that said, my phone hasn't rebooted for a few days. it didn't seem to like Movistar much |
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| [19:13:59] | sphery: | (and with the hope that I can eventually replace the OS with a nice debian-based distro with phone apps--which are, admittedly, a bit, er, not ready for primetime, yet) |
| [19:14:57] | Korny2: | Ugggg Unity sucks :/ |
| [19:15:08] | justinh: | yup |
| [19:15:09] | Korny2: | Sorry random thought |
| [19:15:17] | ** sphery wonders if Korny2 is really Linus ** | |
| [19:15:38] | stuartm: | OT for a minute, but does anyone have anything bad to say about http://www.ebuyer.com/255836-lg-ips226v-pn-21 . . . d-ips226v-pn |
| [19:15:39] | sphery: | http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/linus-dit . . . nome-so-what |
| [19:16:06] | stuartm: | since I'm thinking that it's not a bad price for a 22" LED IPS monitor |
| [19:16:19] | Korny2: | Its only 22"? |
| [19:16:46] | stuartm: | it's a monitor, not a TV |
| [19:17:50] | stuartm: | I don't want to have to sit 5' away just to be able to take in the whole picture ;) |
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| [19:18:20] | stuartm: | and it's an improvement on my current 19" monitors (although I only plan to replace one for now) |
| [19:18:24] | Korny2: | meh I sie 2 feet from my 24 :/ |
| [19:18:26] | justinh: | ahh ftp.gnu.org is up.. |
| [19:18:35] | Korny2: | sie = sit* |
| [19:18:56] | Korny2: | Is that a 16x9 or 16x10 |
| [19:19:37] | stuartm: | 16x9 |
| [19:19:50] | stuartm: | it's 1920x1080 |
| [19:20:11] | Korny2: | I actually like the 16x10s for desktop stuff, it seems like more use able space 1920x1200 :/ |
| [19:20:44] | sphery: | 16:10s are getting hard to find |
| [19:20:53] | Korny2: | I know, and it makes me sad |
| [19:20:55] | sphery: | I prefer them, too, for all but TV |
| [19:21:26] | stuartm: | 16x9 is better for my usage, since I'll be developing/testing mythfrontend and themes on it |
| [19:22:17] | Korny2: | You know the ONLY feature I truely miss from my previous DVR software is having recorded TV and archived videos on the same screen under * recordings |
| [19:22:19] | sphery: | Korny2: btw, stuartm had mentioned this (very appropriate) comment about Ubuntu + Unity: http://forums.theregister.co.uk/post/1164387 |
| [19:22:39] | stuartm: | though I'm concerned about getting a monitor which might actually produce accurate colours since I'll then see how bad Terra actually looks ... |
| [19:22:50] | Korny2: | lol |
| [19:23:06] | Korny2: | I'm not looking foward to 12.04 :/ |
| [19:23:45] | justinh: | hrm. not sure I'm up to doing LFS |
| [19:24:05] | justinh: | I just want a totally small footprint (for downloads) LAMP server setup |
| [19:24:45] | sphery: | stuartm: btw, did you see my question in #-theming? http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/3/2011-09-10 ... I wanted to make sure I'm taking the right approach before fixing the OSD menu. My understanding is that I can't "fix" it the way http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/490922#490922 guys want for the same reasons that arrow-key accel won't work elsewhere in mythtv |
| [19:25:06] | sphery: | (and feel free to answer in #mythtv-theming, if you prefer--I'm in both channels) |
| [19:26:23] | Korny2: | Is there a way to not consider mythcomflag as a job, I have 6 core backend, but I don't want to a limit of 3 jobs incase I have 3 user transcode jobs going all at once :/ |
| [19:26:37] | sphery: | I'm thinking converting the OSD to use mythscreenstack, then having users use select/back to go into/close sub menus is the right solution since any other would bring arrow key accel back to all mythdialogbox (unless I created an OSD-only exception, but then it would constrain OSD-related mythdialogbox design) |
| [19:27:30] | sphery: | Korny2: no, it always counts... |
| [19:27:46] | sphery: | if the transcodes are that important, you can run them unqueued? |
| [19:28:18] | stuartm: | sphery: honest answer time, yes I saw it, I tend to agree that especially with the OSD it's easier but that conflicts with my earlier position on the subject, I was hesitating to answer because I hoped someone else would make the call ;) |
| [19:28:42] | sphery: | hehe |
| [19:28:57] | Korny2: | I could yes, I just try to automate as much as possible, if there was a way to set specific jobs to only run during specific times that would work too |
| [19:28:58] | sphery: | well, I will answer on list with the generic reasons against accel |
| [19:29:28] | stuartm: | it _could_ be done based purely on the layout chosen for the list, vertical – left/right accel, horizontal – up/down, grid/other – no accel |
| [19:29:31] | sphery: | I would also consider implementing a "proper" menu container for the OSD if you don't mind a new mythui widget type |
| [19:29:51] | sphery: | and we could do that |
| [19:30:30] | sphery: | My main complaint with arrow key accels was a) having a setting (as you said, we should either do it or not) and b) the fact that it was inconsistent across different parts of mythtv |
| [19:31:27] | sphery: | where even in the same mythdialogbox, I could use it for only some things, depending on whether they were standard buttons or checkboxes... |
| [19:31:28] | justinh: | if they've been killed off elsewhere, kill em some more |
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| [19:32:17] | stuartm: | sphery: I don't especially like the idea of allowing the list layout to be interrogated since that invites people to start writing special behaviour crap like arrow accel in new stuff but failing to make the behaviour consistent, however if it's a choice between that and a fight over arrow acceleration in the OSD I'd rather pick more serious issues to my battle over |
| [19:32:32] | sphery: | hehe |
| [19:33:05] | sphery: | well, I think actually making back work the way people expect--i.e. just getting rid of the sub menu--would be a big help toward getting people to accept it |
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| [19:34:04] | justinh: | aww.. if you're gonna be able to go back a level there, how about in any of the main UI popups too? |
| [19:34:04] | wagnerrp: | 2' is awfully close for a monitor |
| [19:34:11] | sphery: | and that could be done through changes we probably need to make, anyway--just making it use a mythscreenstack |
| [19:34:11] | wagnerrp: | im usually not in arms reach of mine |
| [19:34:40] | justinh: | sphery: speaking, as you were, of consistency ;-) |
| [19:34:49] | sphery: | justinh: exactly! |
| [19:35:18] | justinh: | currently hitting 'back' 3 levels into a popup menu just dismisses the popup |
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| [19:35:34] | justinh: | kinda frustrating but I know why it's like that so I don't moan ;) |
| [19:35:35] | stuartm: | justinh: I've been thinking about that, mark added callback stuff to mdb so it could be used everywhere, and I have to say that it might be better if we convert the other uses to behave the same as the OSD |
| [19:35:46] | sphery: | right now, in the OSD, BACK just dismisses the entire OSD--meaning if you have info displayed and bring up the menu and hit back, it also dismisses the info screen |
| [19:36:00] | justinh: | heh |
| [19:36:13] | wagnerrp: | Korny2: im working on a rewrite of the jobqueue that intends to allow that |
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| [19:36:36] | justinh: | so anyway, how comes all these 'serious' distros have such a large footprint? we currently ship (at work) a 700MB ISO & the powers that be are complaining |
| [19:36:38] | sphery: | stuartm: but we would still use screenstacks, right? |
| [19:36:53] | wagnerrp: | not separate queues of separate types |
| [19:37:04] | sphery: | the callbacks just being instead of the if button = 0 do this else if button = 1 do that? |
| [19:37:18] | wagnerrp: | but a dynamic scaler, based off what the jobqueue has determined from experience a certain job needs |
| [19:37:23] | wagnerrp: | and what the system still has left to offer |
| [19:38:23] | sphery: | I'm givin' it all she's got, mythbackend! |
| [19:38:32] | Korny2: | wagnerrp have you checked out Sagejobque, its a plugin for sagetv that had a lot of cool features that I used |
| [19:38:40] | Korny2: | When running sagetv |
| [19:38:42] | sphery: | we may have to change mythbackend to mythcaptain... it would sound better that way |
| [19:38:46] | wagnerrp: | havent heard anything about it |
| [19:39:20] | justinh: | sagetv.. wooo.. very 1980s |
| [19:39:23] | Korny2: | It had some things I didn't like it about it as well, like a custom scripting language :/ |
| [19:39:26] | westlock3: | Samsung LN40D550K1F New set. Matches the downstairs one almost. Audio problems solved upstairs. Still have some overscan problems with text being cut off the bottom of the picture when in "Full" in mythtv. |
| [19:39:27] | Korny2: | 80's? |
| [19:39:29] | justinh: | well it looked very 1980s anyway :D |
| [19:39:31] | sphery: | is that the one google bought? |
| [19:39:35] | Korny2: | yes |
| [19:39:37] | sphery: | what ever happened with that? |
| [19:39:42] | sphery: | is it dead or ? |
| [19:39:47] | Korny2: | Its dying a slow death |
| [19:40:03] | sphery: | hehe... but soon we'll see it with android integration |
| [19:40:05] | Korny2: | Software still works, but you can't buy licenses any more or hardware |
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| [19:40:35] | wagnerrp: | Korny2: i dont intend to change the automatic recording processing much from how it currently is |
| [19:41:00] | wagnerrp: | each recording will be allowed to run one task at the start of recording, and one task at the end |
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| [19:41:24] | sphery: | don't worry... Google will convince Logitech to make a bunch of cheap boxes to sell to consumers, and they won't sell, and Logitech will end up with warehouse next to their Revue warehouse |
| [19:41:39] | wagnerrp: | but it will all be done per recording rule |
| [19:42:06] | wagnerrp: | nothing as SJQ does where you set up rules where certain types of shows do certain things |
| [19:42:36] | wagnerrp: | its cleaner and more predictable the way mythtv handles it |
| [19:43:21] | wagnerrp: | each task will have a window it can run during, defined per host |
| [19:43:52] | wagnerrp: | and will allow tasks to be defined as disk intensive or cpu intensive |
| [19:44:03] | Korny2: | Can jobs be offloaded to secondary backends? |
| [19:44:10] | wagnerrp: | they can currently |
| [19:44:38] | Korny2: | I haven't fully delved into the job queing yet, more reading for me it seems |
| [19:45:31] | wagnerrp: | each mythbackend and each mythjobqueue runs one instance of the jobqueue |
| [19:45:32] | wagnerrp: | in the future, the jobqueue will be removed from the backend, running only in the external daemon |
| [19:46:01] | Korny2: | Thats kinda how SJQ works, you can run it on anybox really |
| [19:46:34] | Korny2: | The backend controlled it but you could install the software on anybox(windows or linux) |
| [19:46:44] | Korny2: | with appropriate paths of course |
| [19:46:51] | justinh: | how many jobs do users really need to be able to do? |
| [19:47:10] | justinh: | we already know transcoding is pretty much a waste of CPU power |
| [19:47:23] | wagnerrp: | justinh: lets say you want to run transcoding to a couple different formats, for different portable devices |
| [19:47:39] | wagnerrp: | transcoding is a waste of power for storage, but it makes perfect sense for compatibility |
| [19:48:01] | justinh: | hmmm] |
| [19:48:04] | Korny2: | The only time I even care about jobs actually is when watching semi live TV on multiple tvs on different channels |
| [19:48:13] | justinh: | eh? |
| [19:48:47] | justinh: | like HD on SD frontends perhaps? |
| [19:48:57] | Korny2: | No for commercial flagging |
| [19:49:27] | Korny2: | If it didn't count as a job, I'd only ever run 1 job at a time |
| [19:49:30] | justinh: | might've known |
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| [19:51:31] | justinh: | oh come now debian... just how big is a 'minimal' install anyway? grrr |
| [19:51:38] | Korny2: | lol |
| [19:51:53] | Korny2: | Is there such a thing? |
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| [19:53:35] | justinh: | seems not |
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| [19:57:15] | justinh: | heh. over 600MB |
| [19:57:25] | justinh: | how the hell is a basic linux install that big? |
| [19:57:36] | justinh: | that doesn't even have a GUI or anything else |
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| [19:58:52] | ** wagnerrp needs a cheat sheet for these things ** | |
| [19:59:24] | wizbit: | ace :D |
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| [20:04:43] | stuartm: | justinh: because 'basic' includes a whole bunch of crap that isn't really needed, by anyone |
| [20:05:17] | justinh: | heh apparently |
| [20:06:06] | justinh: | the VM I've been using is packing up nicely at under 200MB though |
| [20:06:12] | justinh: | maybe it's all those docs |
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| [20:10:04] | stuartm: | docs are huge and the tools to create those docs you never read are even bigger (lots of fonts) |
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| [20:11:11] | sphery: | wait, there are docs in a GNU/Linux system? crazy--I thought people just had to ask how to use the tools on IRC or mailing lists or fora? |
| [20:11:15] | justinh: | yeah why does a non-gui install even need fonts? |
| [20:11:33] | justinh: | or font libs? |
| [20:15:28] | ** wagnerrp wonders if he just got called a tool ** | |
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| [20:30:19] | NewBuntu81: | hi all! Recently, my frontends have been auto skipping (commercials) and going too far. Is there a way to set a maximum skip, such as 3 minutes? |
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| [20:34:31] | wagnerrp: | no, but there is a setting to make it cowardly refuse to skip beyond a certain length |
| [20:35:26] | sphery: | there's a way to change the commercial detector so it doesn't mark as a commercial any break longer than X seconds, but that setting may be going away |
| [20:35:50] | wagnerrp: | im talking about the 10-minute thing |
| [20:35:50] | sphery: | and you'd have to re-run detection on recordings to benefit from changing it |
| [20:35:59] | wagnerrp: | if it says the commercial is over 10 minutes long |
| [20:36:03] | wagnerrp: | it just wont do anything |
| [20:36:54] | sphery: | ah, yeah, that is a playback thing |
| [20:37:10] | sphery: | thought it was ignored at detection, not at playback |
| [20:37:27] | sphery: | anyway, might be disappearing |
| [20:38:14] | sphery: | seems to default to 1hr (meaning, for all intents and purposes, disabled) |
| [20:42:30] | NewBuntu81: | wagnerrp: where is the setting to make it refuse to skip beyond a certain length? |
| [20:43:13] | sphery: | frontend playback settings |
| [20:43:21] | sphery: | Maximum commercial skip (secs) |
| [20:45:48] | stuartm: | has to be in the top 5 of silly settings |
| [20:46:17] | sphery: | stuartm: yeah, I want to remove it |
| [20:46:51] | sphery: | I'm pretty sure I'll do it when I push my patch that changes the editor to allow you to skip on the flag list without importing the flag list as a cut list |
| [20:47:18] | sphery: | a secondary part of it is extending the progress bar in the editor to allow themers to show the flag list |
| [20:47:47] | sphery: | at which point, people would be able to just bring up info and see that it skipped 1/3 of the show |
| [20:48:18] | sphery: | (or would see that when they skip and it shows the "skipped 21:39" dialog with the progress bar |
| [20:49:06] | sphery: | then a skipcommback and they'll be back before where they were) |
| [20:49:26] | sphery: | was thinking there was a patch that added a minimum to match the max |
| [20:49:34] | sphery: | I must have closed that ticket, already, though |
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| [21:00:38] | sphery: | stuartm: ah, seems you closed it... It was #5863. Last time we discussed it, I asked if I could remove the max setting, too, but people seemed to want me to change it from the current default (3600s--meaning basically disabled) to "a reasonable value", but everyone had their own definition of reasonable... http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/4/2011-07-25:14:46:43 (and continued at 19:48) |
| [21:01:45] | sphery: | er, no, it was almost exactly a year before that discussion that I was told to use the reasonable defaults |
| [21:02:28] | sphery: | Jul 29 and Aug 8, 2010 if you have logs |
| [21:03:23] | wagnerrp: | stuartm: after a mindless rant by James Cobban, im reminded of the 'x' when running in windowed mode |
| [21:03:45] | wagnerrp: | 'x' behaves like 'esc', meaning it backs you out of the menus and finally closes the application |
| [21:03:52] | wagnerrp: | meaning we have to be catching and handling it in some manner |
| [21:03:59] | wagnerrp: | why not just close the application directly? |
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| [21:10:19] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: I'm not familiar with that, if we are handling 'x' then it's a jumppoint and not one that should be bound by default |
| [21:11:11] | stuartm: | oh, you mean the window managers 'x' – well that's even stranger, since I've never noticed special handling for that |
| [21:12:43] | stuartm: | I assume 'x' sends a signal to the app, I can't remember even looking at signal handling stuff |
| [21:13:34] | wagnerrp: | yeah, the top right corner 'x' |
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| [21:15:37] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: I can look at it, but right now I can't say anything useful about it |
| [21:16:40] | wagnerrp: | its been like that for years |
| [21:16:51] | wagnerrp: | likely for the very reason hardly anyone ever uses it |
| [21:16:58] | wagnerrp: | no rush, just found it curious |
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| [22:22:33] | sphery: | wagnerrp: Hehe, when the President cancels the Constellation program, what do you do? Rename it, er, start a new program called the Space Launch System, which may or may not look a lot like the Constellation's Ares V rocket. |
| [22:22:58] | wagnerrp: | and make the same god damn mistakes as last time |
| [22:23:24] | sphery: | which mistakes? |
| [22:23:26] | wagnerrp: | but no, i dont blame NASA |
| [22:23:42] | wagnerrp: | its not their fault, they are required to make the same mistakes, as mandated by congressional orders |
| [22:23:49] | wagnerrp: | SRBs |
| [22:23:52] | sphery: | ah, yeah |
| [22:24:08] | sphery: | those aren't ideal--but they are currently man-rated, which gives them a huge leg up over "from scratch" tech |
| [22:24:25] | wagnerrp: | no, theyre junk |
| [22:24:27] | sphery: | at least NASA says they plan to convert to liquid-fueled boosters in time |
| [22:24:32] | wagnerrp: | theyre dirt cheap, and theyre disposable |
| [22:24:37] | wagnerrp: | but we shouldnt be using either |
| [22:24:43] | wagnerrp: | theyre horribly inefficient |
| [22:24:54] | sphery: | boosters in general, you mean? |
| [22:24:55] | wagnerrp: | theyre simply not capable of carrying anything outside of LEO |
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| [22:25:03] | wagnerrp: | no, solid rockets |
| [22:25:17] | sphery: | well, only the 2 boosters are solid |
| [22:25:29] | wagnerrp: | the solid rockets are cheap, but you make up for it in fuel and structure cost |
| [22:25:41] | sphery: | the 5 main engines (same model as the shuttle used--but 5 instead of 3) are liquid fueled |
| [22:25:54] | wagnerrp: | as opposed to liquid rockets, where the fuel is relatively cheap, but the engines are expensive |
| [22:26:04] | wagnerrp: | so, you do what the shuttle attempted |
| [22:26:15] | wagnerrp: | you make very efficient rockets, you recover them,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, you reuse them |
| [22:26:21] | sphery: | yeah, throwing away 5 of the liquid engines per launch is, er, regrettable |
| [22:26:48] | sphery: | but IMHO, it's better than no US space program |
| [22:26:49] | wagnerrp: | except now weve got 35yrs of metallurgical and autonomous flight knowledge to actually pull it off |
| [22:27:52] | sphery: | thought it was funny, though--and I'm wondering if a certain man is getting very upset in his not-quite round office when thinking about how NASA may be directly contradicting his orders |
| [22:28:17] | wagnerrp: | contradicting how? |
| [22:28:20] | sphery: | (including his demand, er, challenge, to use something new and high-tech rather than recycled shuttle/apollo tech) |
| [22:28:51] | sphery: | because it's basically Constellation--which was cancelled |
| [22:28:52] | wagnerrp: | he rescinded the old order, and then gave basically the same order, with a different (and dumber) target |
| [22:29:25] | sphery: | rescinded the constellation concellation order? |
| [22:29:58] | wagnerrp: | no, he gave a different, similar order |
| [22:31:35] | sphery: | ah, the Apr 15 thing... |
| [22:32:21] | wagnerrp: | it really just pisses me off something i read a few days ago |
| [22:32:35] | wagnerrp: | something along the lines of "of course theyre using solid rockets, theyre so much more powerful" |
| [22:32:45] | sphery: | hehe |
| [22:32:55] | wagnerrp: | well no sh**, of course theyre more powerful, because you have to carry 5x the amount of fuel to get you up there |
| [22:33:15] | wagnerrp: | i mean people just dont realize that, solid rocket motors will /barely/ get you into orbit |
| [22:33:32] | wagnerrp: | it can be done, but your payloads will be so small, its just not worth it |
| [22:34:30] | sphery: | yeah |
| [22:34:55] | wagnerrp: | the shuttle weighed some 4M lbs fueled |
| [22:35:22] | wagnerrp: | and like 2.3Mlbs of that was the SRBs, which only fired for around two minutes of the eight minute launch |
| [22:36:11] | sphery: | I think their estimates of initial launch capability of 70 tons with a possibility of increassing that to 130 tons is dependent on their ability to convert to liquid-fuelled boosters |
| [22:36:12] | wagnerrp: | you could have replaced those SRBs with two sets of four SSMEs, strapped onto the sides, drawing off the main tank |
| [22:36:25] | wagnerrp: | and you could likely get away without any extra fuel beyond that main tank |
| [22:37:23] | wagnerrp: | theyre high enough up when they detach, that you might even get them back to shore with an unpowered parawing |
| [22:38:29] | wagnerrp: | the real problem is two fold |
| [22:38:46] | wagnerrp: | they ran those SSMEs so hard, with old materials tech, that they had to be rebuilt after each flight |
| [22:39:11] | sphery: | interesting--I didn't realize that |
| [22:39:12] | wagnerrp: | and it was just a static bell nozzle, designed for use at very high altitude, but being used all the way down at the ground |
| [22:39:19] | wagnerrp: | so launch performance was pretty terrible |
| [22:39:29] | wagnerrp: | like 360s at launch, compared to 450s in vacuum |
| [22:40:08] | wagnerrp: | that was the whole purpose of the aerospike, you get like 430s all the way up |
| [22:40:15] | sphery: | wow, and the SLS is using 5 SSMEs on the central first stage |
| [22:40:21] | sphery: | which means down to the ground, again |
| [22:40:39] | wagnerrp: | but the problem with the aerospike is the very design means you cant have strap on anything |
| [22:41:11] | wagnerrp: | well, since theyre doing independent stages, those 5 SSMEs will operate at a much smaller envelope |
| [22:41:24] | wagnerrp: | so they could better tune then for atmospheric operation |
| [22:41:31] | sphery: | ah, that's true |
| [22:41:33] | wagnerrp: | get them up to maybe 400s on the ground |
| [22:41:55] | wagnerrp: | they were just way overexpanded on the ground to allow for efficient vacuum operation |
| [22:42:05] | sphery: | their using basically Apollo J-2X engines on the upper stage |
| [22:42:08] | sphery: | they're |
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| [22:42:44] | wagnerrp: | i dont know why they dont use another de-rated SSME (RD-25) |
| [22:43:05] | sphery: | yeah, no idea why they chose the new ones derived from the apollo program |
| [22:43:07] | wagnerrp: | i mean its a LH2/LO2 engine |
| [22:43:13] | wagnerrp: | with maybe 75% the power |
| [22:43:20] | wagnerrp: | these things are all going to be discarded |
| [22:43:34] | wagnerrp: | so you make it all the same thing, you use the same production line, and get better economy of scale |
| [22:43:47] | sphery: | maybe they want to make sure that all those trips to the Hollywood parts dealers to try to figure out Apollo tech, again, weren't a waste |
| [22:43:51] | wagnerrp: | plus they dont have to retool everything to an engine not built since the early 70s |
| [22:44:09] | sphery: | are the upper stage engines also discarded? |
| [22:44:26] | sphery: | is it just using an orion capsule on top of a 2-stage rocket or something? |
| [22:45:16] | wagnerrp: | theyre all being discarded |
| [22:45:20] | wagnerrp: | its got to be three stage |
| [22:45:31] | wagnerrp: | youre not going anything interplanetary on a 2-stage with SRBs |
| [22:45:46] | sphery: | oh, yeah, this is supposed to be deep-space rocket |
| [22:45:50] | sphery: | forgot that part |
| [22:47:31] | wagnerrp: | the smaller bits of NASA are doing wonderful stuff |
| [22:47:33] | sphery: | seems that's the thing changing the capacity from 70 to 130 tons--they plan to eventually add an (Ares V) Earth Departure Stage... The initial design is the 70 tons to LEO design. |
| [22:47:45] | wagnerrp: | its these big projects |
| [22:47:47] | sphery: | at least based on wikipedia info |
| [22:47:53] | sphery: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Launch_System |
| [22:48:16] | wagnerrp: | theyre very public, so the politicians get involved for face time, and you end up with people with no technical background making decisions for non-technical reasons |
| [22:48:39] | sphery: | yes, that is probably the main problem with government-involved projects like this |
| [22:48:45] | sphery: | (same happens with DoD) |
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| [22:50:20] | sphery: | wikipedia also lists it as having 1 solid engine??? |
| [22:50:42] | sphery: | I'm guessing I'll have to wait a bit to find out more real details |
| [22:51:01] | wagnerrp: | might be a GTO booster |
| [22:52:05] | wagnerrp: | youve got that whole range from ~1000km to ~20000km thats pretty nasty |
| [22:52:21] | wagnerrp: | you let satellites shut down when theyre in there |
| [22:52:26] | wagnerrp: | and you simply dont want people in there |
| [22:52:43] | wagnerrp: | so you push through that as fast as possible, and then turn on electric drives for deep space |
| [22:53:10] | wagnerrp: | but you're just talking all that much extra payload theyre wasting by using solid fuel |
| [22:54:43] | sphery: | wow, based on the wikipedia-posted schedule of flights, this is going to be a very expensive program |
| [22:55:35] | sphery: | like one flight in 2017, 2nd flight in 2021, then one flight a year through 2032... 13 flights in 16 years |
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| [22:55:54] | sphery: | (per-launch cost will be high, that is) |
| [22:57:43] | Twiggy2cents: | yay for nikita and supernatural! |
| [22:57:55] | wagnerrp: | thats what happens when you take high efficiency engines that were going to be expensive, but it was alright because they would be reused |
| [22:58:00] | wagnerrp: | and make them disposable |
| [22:58:39] | sphery: | Twiggy2cents: yeah, finally back! |
| [22:59:17] | Twiggy2cents: | I havent even read the plot yet. I would rather be completely surprised |
| [23:00:11] | sphery: | Terra Nova--the next big sci-fi show to be cancelled--has finally made my listings, so I can make a schedule for it |
| [23:00:49] | Twiggy2cents: | Is that the Jurassic Park looking show? |
| [23:01:06] | wagnerrp: | thats the problem with time travel, you know how its going to end |
| [23:01:12] | wagnerrp: | theyre all going to die horrible deaths |
| [23:01:16] | sphery: | yeah, Earth is destroyed, so they go back in time to when it wasn't destroyed |
| [23:01:24] | sphery: | but now they have to contend with dinos |
| [23:01:28] | wagnerrp: | (otherwise there would be evidence of their existence in the past) |
| [23:01:33] | wagnerrp: | whoops |
| [23:01:49] | Twiggy2cents: | Silly people could of gone to a time when man still thought they were on top... |
| [23:01:53] | sphery: | no, because this is the first cycle of time |
| [23:02:02] | sphery: | you don't think it's been done before do you? |
| [23:02:19] | sphery: | you sound like one of those people in the BSG future |
| [23:02:21] | wagnerrp: | they did it before |
| [23:02:56] | wagnerrp: | in order for them to have done it, they would have already done it |
| [23:03:02] | wagnerrp: | and if they did it, and were successful |
| [23:03:12] | Twiggy2cents: | paradox much? |
| [23:03:22] | wagnerrp: | there would have been evidence of a major civilization back then |
| [23:03:50] | sphery: | yeah, the whole time paradox thing is fun--you can take any side of the argument and no one can prove you right or wrong |
| [23:04:07] | sphery: | but it's funny because many act like they have such proof |
| [23:05:39] | Twiggy2cents: | My side is that if you do it you are stuck in a loop. (Referencing a Fringe episode) If you look at time as a fluid then it is safe to say that if you went back in time you would be stuck repeating it forever. |
| [23:06:00] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh, I'm sure the Terra Nova (civilization--not Hollywood) designers will prove to have thought of that. So, they'll go back in time /but/ will only colonize the part of the planet that is now in the Gulf off the Yucatan--where the comet hit earth 65M years ago, so that after they're done with their civilization it will be wiped off the face of the earth |
| [23:06:21] | sphery: | so they can say that there's no evidence that they didn't succeed because that part of the planet is gone :) |
| [23:06:25] | Twiggy2cents: | I suppose though that that would mean there were more than one of you in time. I dunno I get these good ideas on it and then lose them because it quickly spirals into confusion |
| [23:07:49] | sphery: | A friend of mine professes verses from his own bible of time travel... It's fun to listen to his arguments on it. |
| [23:10:25] | Twiggy2cents: | Thanks for the heads up with Terra Nova. I just added it to my schedules |
| [23:11:11] | Twiggy2cents: | The show begins in the year 2149.... Great now we know to much about our future |
| [23:11:31] | Twiggy2cents: | Obviously the left traces of life behind, We know when the world is going to end |
| [23:15:10] | Twiggy2cents: | Mythtv is a bad thing.... I had series end and that opened up free time. Now I can choose to record new series that takes up my free time. Can I sue if I get fat and have health problems from watching too much dvr'ed tv? |
| [23:15:14] | Twiggy2cents: | :-P |
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| [23:15:34] | wagnerrp: | you can sue for your purchase price |
| [23:15:53] | Twiggy2cents: | lol |
| [23:16:17] | Twiggy2cents: | Well in that case I better get total reimbursement of the purchase price of the software |
| [23:19:46] | sphery: | Twiggy2cents: fwiw, you might be interested in creating an inactive, "First episodes," custom recording rule to alert you of new series |
| [23:20:28] | sphery: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/188789#188789 |
| [23:21:39] | sphery: | that said, I've added a new clause to catch episodes on original airdate with subtitle pilot because any more a lot of shows are aired out of order--so their programids won't match the First episodes example. |
| [23:22:20] | sphery: | http://pastebin.com/5WxSybtE being my SQL |
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| [23:24:02] | ** iamlindoro watches *and* develops MythTV and manages not to get fat ** | |
| [23:24:25] | sphery: | hehe, I just realized that the example SQL uses DAYOFYEAR(), which means that if the series premiere of a show that originally aired on day 253 of 1961 happens to air on day 253 of 2012, it will be flagged as a a new series by the rule |
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| [23:25:07] | sphery: | maybe this is how those old shows keep coming back... Dr Who, Battlestar Galactica, The Bionic Woman, ... |
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| [23:28:08] | ** wagnerrp watches *and* develops MythTV and manages not to get fat(ter) ** | |
| [23:30:51] | ** sphery goes to the kitchen to make a salad out of guilt ** | |
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| [23:31:44] | Twiggy2cents: | thanks sphery I will look into that later |
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| [23:35:04] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: you need to take that cablecard discussion elsewhere... the threading has gone too deep, i can no longer see the message subjects |
| [23:35:05] | wagnerrp: | :) |
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| [23:35:47] | mattwj2002: | hi all |
| [23:35:48] | ** iamlindoro promises to break threading every message from now on ** | |
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| [23:38:05] | mattwj2002: | well guys I ordered the WinTV-DCR-2650 today |
| [23:38:15] | wagnerrp: | seriously, its rare to ever see one get that long before someone pipes up with a broken email client |
| [23:38:41] | mattwj2002: | hopefully I get it soon |
| [23:39:04] | wagnerrp: | or branch it off into some losely related tangent |
| [23:39:54] | wagnerrp: | by the way, i unmuted that wiz bit guy earlier today |
| [23:40:05] | wagnerrp: | apparently you muted him way back in may when he was being drunk and retarded |
| [23:40:55] | mattwj2002: | xris are you here? :) |
| [23:41:16] | iamlindoro: | just as long as we're okay with me re-muting him the next time he does it |
| [23:41:21] | iamlindoro: | which will be the next time he speaks |
| [23:41:25] | iamlindoro: | since he's dustybin |
| [23:41:31] | wagnerrp: | oh? |
| [23:41:33] | iamlindoro: | yep |
| [23:41:36] | wagnerrp: | didnt know he changed his name |
| [23:42:05] | iamlindoro: | yup |
| [23:43:16] | wagnerrp: | i just thought he PM'd me at random among the voiced in the channel |
| [23:45:48] | xris: | mattwj2002: sort of here. what's up? |
| [23:47:11] | mattwj2002: | I ordered a WinTV-DCR-2650 |
| [23:47:12] | mattwj2002: | :D |
| [23:47:44] | mattwj2002: | did yours come today by any chance? |
| [23:49:17] | xris: | yesterday |
| [23:49:29] | xris: | you were gone by the time I commented about testing it with QAM and it working fine. |
| [23:49:35] | mattwj2002: | nice |
| [23:49:40] | xris: | silicondust software sees it as an hrhr prime with 2 tuners |
| [23:49:40] | mattwj2002: | does it work well? |
| [23:49:47] | mattwj2002: | how is the quality? |
| [23:50:03] | xris: | it's digital. just the raw signal, same as a normal hdhr |
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| [23:50:07] | xris: | cablecard appointment is next tuesday |
| [23:50:10] | jm|laptop: | hello :) |
| [23:50:16] | k-man: | hi jm|laptop |
| [23:50:20] | mattwj2002: | appointment? |
| [23:50:25] | mattwj2002: | the guy needs to come out? |
| [23:50:27] | jm|laptop: | where is a channel marked as HD in mythtv, please? |
| [23:50:38] | jm|laptop: | I have a channel that *is* HD but not showing so in listing |
| [23:50:39] | xris: | $30 vs me driving an hour each way to pick up the card. |
| [23:51:09] | mattwj2002: | an hour really? |
| [23:51:12] | xris: | jm|laptop: comes from wherever you get your data |
| [23:51:15] | mattwj2002: | ouch |
| [23:51:21] | jm|laptop: | I have four DVB-T2 HD channels, three show HD |
| [23:51:23] | xris: | mattwj2002: in traffic, yes. without, maybe 40 mins |
| [23:51:31] | jm|laptop: | xris: oh, Freeview EIT :/ |
| [23:51:39] | mattwj2002: | who is your provider? |
| [23:51:44] | k-man: | jm|laptop, what country are you in out of interest? |
| [23:52:07] | xris: | jm|laptop: just saying, that's where mythtv gets the hd flag.. from mythfilldatabase (and where it gets it). |
| [23:52:19] | jm|laptop: | k-man: UK |
| [23:52:45] | jm|laptop: | xris: could I force it in the database? |
| [23:53:05] | xris: | probably. I don't know the exact field name. but it shouldn't make a difference, iirc it's just an informational field. |
| [23:53:33] | jm|laptop: | I can't find the field, either. It's just useful for when scanning 'upcoming recordings' to make sure it's grabbed the HD version |
| [23:53:56] | jm|laptop: | doesn't seem to be in `channel` |
| [23:54:27] | sphery: | it's per-program |
| [23:54:30] | wagnerrp: | jm|laptop: just because the channel can be HD doesnt mean the actual content is HD |
| [23:54:38] | sphery: | as even HDTV channels show non-HDTV content |
| [23:54:43] | wagnerrp: | it could be SD, it could be SD upscaled to HD |
| [23:54:44] | jm|laptop: | wagnerrp: granted. Some are upscaled. |
| [23:54:46] | sphery: | (upscaled old content, for exmaple) |
| [23:54:47] | jm|laptop: | sphery: okay, thanks |
| [23:54:51] | xris: | jm|laptop: what wagnerrp said. better to trust the show's on hd flag |
| [23:54:53] | jm|laptop: | it's showing none, though :/ |
| [23:55:01] | xris: | but EIT likely doesn't store that. |
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| [23:55:12] | sphery: | jm|laptop: best bet, though, is to find out if your EIT data contains such information and fix the EIT parser to insert it |
| [23:55:15] | jm|laptop: | xris: it does for the other three HD channels :S |
| [23:55:29] | sphery: | (I'm assuming you're not using XMLTV data since I know the xmltv parser will handle it) |
| [23:55:34] | jm|laptop: | sphery: where might I find eit dump? |
| [23:55:43] | jm|laptop: | no, eit |
| [23:56:04] | sphery: | so you're saying it shows up on programs on the other 3 HDTV channels? |
| [23:56:10] | jm|laptop: | yes |
| [23:56:17] | jm|laptop: | also the description has [HD] |
| [23:56:24] | jm|laptop: | e.g. Dermot O'Leary presents the sixth set of auditions as judges Louis Walsh, Kelly Rowland, Tulisa Contostavlos and Gary Barlow continue their star search across the country. [HD] |
| [23:56:34] | sphery: | is that in the description itself? |
| [23:56:38] | jm|laptop: | yes |
| [23:56:48] | sphery: | or is that in the hdtv field and mythtv adds it after the description in the screen/page you're looking at? |
| [23:56:57] | jm|laptop: | it goes on "(Widescreen, Subtitles Available, Stereo) " |
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| [23:57:00] | jm|laptop: | um oh. |
| [23:57:02] | sphery: | (where "that" in the hdtv field would be a 1) |
| [23:57:13] | ** jm|laptop looks for that table ** | |
| [23:57:26] | sphery: | jm|laptop: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "SELECT COUNT(*) FROM program WHERE hdtv = 1;" |
| [23:58:18] | jm|laptop: | 659 |
| [23:58:38] | sphery: | OK, then we are handling it, so it means that the channel for which no shows are marked is not actually transmitting that info |
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| [23:59:17] | sphery: | it's possible that there's an EIT fixup for your EIT provider (in MythTV) that notices "(HDTV)" at the end of a description or something, and then fills in the hdtv flag if it's there |
| [23:59:27] | sphery: | or there may actually be some field in EIT to specify it |
| [23:59:30] | jm|laptop: | SELECT COUNT(hdtv) FROM program where title LIKE "the x factor" AND hdtv=1; |
| [23:59:30] | jm|laptop: | 0 |
| [23:59:57] | jm|laptop: | I could write a nast-e script for it |
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| [00:00:56] | sphery: | jm|laptop: best wold be an EIT fixup... see mythtv/libs/libmythtv/eitfixup.cpp |
| [00:01:09] | sphery: | assuming there's something, somewhere, in the data you can use to figure it out |
| [00:01:48] | jm|laptop: | SELECT COUNT(*) FROM program WHERE description LIKE "%[HD]"; |
| [00:01:49] | jm|laptop: | 147 |
| [00:02:19] | jm|laptop: | SELECT COUNT(*) FROM program WHERE description LIKE "%[HD]" AND hdtv=0; |
| [00:02:20] | jm|laptop: | 80 |
| [00:02:22] | jm|laptop: | :/ |
| [00:02:32] | sphery: | then it may actually be signalled in the EIT |
| [00:04:24] | sphery: | and you might be able to make an m_ukTitleHD regexp and add it to EITFixUp::FixUK() |
| [00:04:25] | jm|laptop: | not sure I'm clever enough to make an EIT fixup |
| [00:04:30] | sphery: | and catch the rest |
| [00:04:48] | jm|laptop: | and I'm mildly scared to rebuild my mythbackend |
| [00:04:57] | jm|laptop: | as I went off-piste and did a svn |
| [00:04:58] | sphery: | it would be very like the m_bellPPVTitleHD one |
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| [00:05:19] | sphery: | (meaning there's a nice example whose pattern you could follow) |
| [00:06:32] | jm|laptop: | golly |
| [00:06:44] | sphery: | "did a svn"? |
| [00:06:54] | jm|laptop: | built a branch of some variety :) |
| [00:07:08] | sphery: | you mean a git, right? (You're not still using the old subversion repo, but are using git, right?) |
| [00:07:09] | jm|laptop: | scared me silly and now I have to build all my frontends from that tarball too |
| [00:07:21] | sphery: | what distro? |
| [00:07:24] | jm|laptop: | sphery: probably git :D |
| [00:07:41] | jm|laptop: | MythTV Version : 27420 |
| [00:07:41] | jm|laptop: | MythTV Branch : trunk |
| [00:07:43] | jm|laptop: | oh. |
| [00:07:45] | sphery: | that's svn |
| [00:07:54] | jm|laptop: | it was a while ago |
| [00:07:57] | sphery: | [27420] |
| [00:07:57] | MythLogBot: | SVN 27420: (branch master) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/3958daf4 |
| [00:08:13] | sphery: | that's unstable/development code as of Dec 2, 2010 |
| [00:08:18] | jm|laptop: | ack |
| [00:08:23] | jm|laptop: | well; it's actually quite stable |
| [00:08:30] | sphery: | you likely want current 0.24-fixes as of today |
| [00:08:39] | sphery: | which distro are you using? |
| [00:08:45] | jm|laptop: | I think I tried that and the NP was too high |
| [00:08:57] | jm|laptop: | sphery: Debian, but not packages |
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| [00:09:48] | sphery: | ahh, was going to say if it's ubuntu, they have a nice repo with current 0.24-fixes (or, if you don't mind failed recordings and spending way too much time following the mailing lists and commit messages, master/unstable/development code) |
| [00:10:00] | jm|laptop: | :S |
| [00:10:11] | jm|laptop: | I can't remember even why I went off-piste |
| [00:10:44] | wagnerrp: | piste? |
| [00:10:46] | jm|laptop: | something to do with my cards no doubt |
| [00:10:56] | jm|laptop: | wagnerrp: release, or whatever |
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| [00:11:23] | sphery: | anyway, you should probably consider upgrading to 0.24-fixes (which is stable /and/ newer than yours) |
| [00:11:24] | jm|laptop: | you've been very kind and validated in trying to make me do the right thing; but I fear I'm probably going to do a database hack :( |
| [00:11:33] | sphery: | http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ has new locations |
| [00:11:36] | jm|laptop: | sphery: I think I tried and the protocol was too old/new |
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| [00:11:49] | sphery: | "Stable: If you'd like to get the 0.24 stable branch, do this:" is what I recommend |
| [00:11:53] | jm|laptop: | I'm probably wrong |
| [00:12:03] | wagnerrp: | sphery: lot of people running that version, final revision before the migration to git |
| [00:12:09] | sphery: | if you have 27420, you have DB version 1264, which is current version for 0.24-fixes |
| [00:12:25] | sphery: | and protocol version only matters /between/ systems |
| [00:12:29] | jm|laptop: | Network Protocol : 64 |
| [00:12:38] | sphery: | meaning if you put current 0.24-fixes on /all/ of your systems, it will work |
| [00:12:44] | jm|laptop: | sure. |
| [00:12:57] | jm|laptop: | iirc the db upgrade script failed |
| [00:12:59] | jm|laptop: | or scared me |
| [00:13:05] | jm|laptop: | Library API : 0.25.20101127–1 |
| [00:13:53] | sphery: | technically, though, 0.24-fixes is using proto version 64, too, so you'd be ok |
| [00:14:02] | sphery: | never noticed it's proto 64 and db 1264 |
| [00:14:04] | jm|laptop: | I'll bear it in mind :) |
| [00:14:37] | sphery: | but there are >300 bug fixes in 0.24-fixes /since/ 0.24 was released and you're using what may well be pre-0.24 code |
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| [00:15:45] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes_-_0.24-fixes shows 319 fixes through July 12 (so there's a good 2months in addition to those) |
| [00:16:12] | jm|laptop: | sphery: I'm sold. When I have time to backup properly, I'll give it a shot. |
| [00:16:31] | sphery: | looks like 0.24 final release was 27163, so you're basically running 0.24 without any fixes |
| [00:16:47] | sphery: | (and since it's trunk, you may well be running with experimental/not-complete code, too) |
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| [00:17:00] | sphery: | anyway, just a recommendation |
| [00:17:14] | sphery: | wagnerrp: thanks for the explanation--I thought I had seen that version before |
| [00:18:14] | jm|laptop: | hmph. |
| [00:18:45] | jm|laptop: | So having manually set hdtv=1 to a few test program[me]s it's still not showing as HD in 'Upcoming Recordings' in mythweb |
| [00:18:54] | jm|laptop: | maybe I should have mentioned mythweb before now |
| [00:18:59] | jm|laptop: | :S |
| [00:19:49] | sphery: | you mean the yellow "HD" icon in mythweb? |
| [00:19:56] | jm|laptop: | text, but yes |
| [00:20:10] | sphery: | yeah, <span class="hdtv_icon"> text :) |
| [00:20:15] | jm|laptop: | ja |
| [00:20:29] | sphery: | that should be done off of the program.hdtv flag |
| [00:20:34] | jm|laptop: | oh. |
| [00:20:39] | sphery: | but note that your EIT may be changing it out from under you |
| [00:21:11] | sphery: | i.e. EIT will either run all the time if you enabled active eit collection or runs whenever you're watching Live TV or recording shows |
| [00:21:29] | jm|laptop: | interestingly |
| [00:21:59] | jm|laptop: | having set hdtv=1 manually, it now has (HDTV, Widescreen etc.) in the program popup |
| [00:22:07] | jm|laptop: | but still not yellow HD |
| [00:22:09] | jm|laptop: | quizzical. |
| [00:22:17] | sphery: | did you force a refresh |
| [00:22:20] | sphery: | Shift-F5 |
| [00:22:25] | sphery: | might be the cache monster |
| [00:22:41] | jm|laptop: | nup |
| [00:22:45] | ** jm|laptop codelooks ** | |
| [00:23:24] | jm|laptop: | 363 if ($show->hdtv) |
| [00:23:24] | jm|laptop: | 364 echo '<span class="hdtv_icon">HD</span>'; |
| [00:23:45] | ** jm|laptop wonders where to parse debug ** | |
| [00:24:31] | jm|laptop: | lol print_r($show) does it |
| [00:24:46] | jm|laptop: | [hdtv] => 0 |
| [00:25:17] | ** jm|laptop wonders if mythweb caches ** | |
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| [00:27:59] | jm|laptop: | weird. |
| [00:28:18] | jm|laptop: | :q1 |
| [00:28:21] | jm|laptop: | oopz |
| [00:28:59] | sphery: | [jm@laptop ~]$ |
| [00:29:07] | jm|laptop: | hehe |
| [00:29:30] | sphery: | actually, "E488: Trailing characters" would be more accurate |
| [00:31:36] | jm|laptop: | yep, shift error |
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| [00:36:16] | jm|laptop: | ooooooh |
| [00:36:28] | jm|laptop: | something is caching something somewhere, I think |
| [00:36:36] | jm|laptop: | maybe not |
| [00:36:44] | jm|laptop: | the very last listing for ITV1 HD is now showing HD |
| [00:37:34] | jm|laptop: | kormoc: do you cache listings somewhere? |
| [00:40:28] | wagnerrp: | kormoc? |
| [00:40:54] | jm|laptop: | he's lead dev on it, no? |
| [00:41:06] | wagnerrp: | on what? |
| [00:41:12] | jm|laptop: | mythweb |
| [00:41:39] | wagnerrp: | yes, but nothing should be getting cached |
| [00:42:17] | jm|laptop: | k |
| [00:42:54] | jm|laptop: | just odd how after manually marking them as hdtv=1 the very newest program listings are 'working' |
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| [00:44:16] | jm|laptop: | k I'm lying |
| [00:44:20] | jm|laptop: | others are working now |
| [00:44:44] | jm|laptop: | you guys have been great as usual – I'm off to bed I think as it's |
| [00:44:46] | jm|laptop: | Fri Sep 16 01:44:46 BST 2011 |
| [00:44:47] | sphery: | remember, anything you change may be overwritten at any time, too |
| [00:44:53] | jm|laptop: | sphery: I know :) |
| [00:45:02] | sphery: | ok, good luck with it |
| [00:45:08] | sphery: | and good night |
| [00:45:22] | jm|laptop: | sphery: I'll take all your advice on board re: .cpp and 24-fixed |
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| [01:08:02] | westlock3: | Okay so what settings do I have to change to get my new samsung to display properly in LiveTV? |
| [01:08:11] | westlock3: | I've tried almost everything here. |
| [01:08:39] | k-man: | westlock3, how is not displaying properly? |
| [01:09:05] | westlock3: | The "Full" image is too tall and the tickers on most stations gets cut off for example. |
| [01:09:25] | sphery: | is it letterboxed before you say Full |
| [01:09:45] | sphery: | Full is a zoom mode that zooms 4:3 TV to show only the 16:9 portion |
| [01:09:55] | sphery: | cutting off top and bottom |
| [01:10:24] | sphery: | I guess it would be letterboxed and pillarboxed |
| [01:10:30] | westlock3: | I'm running 1920x1080 in my NVidia control panel. |
| [01:10:50] | sphery: | i.e. you should use Full zoom for a 16:9 show in a 4:3 signal |
| [01:11:23] | westlock3: | No it is not letterboxed before I push "W". Looks square. |
| [01:11:25] | sphery: | and over in the UK, they often send 14:9 in their 4:3 signals, so for them, you'd use Half zoom |
| [01:11:42] | sphery: | square but going to the top and bottom of tv? |
| [01:11:47] | sphery: | if so, you don't want a zoom |
| [01:11:50] | sphery: | zoom is magnify |
| [01:12:26] | wagnerrp: | westlock3: are you using vdpau or opengl? |
| [01:12:29] | sphery: | if you really want short and fat people on your TV, you can stretch the 4:3 picture to take up the whole screen by telling MythTV to treat the 4:3 picture as if it's a 16:9 aspect picture |
| [01:12:33] | westlock3: | So then for LiveTV half my pixels are useless? |
| [01:12:41] | sphery: | in which case you do MENU|Aspect Ratio|16:9 |
| [01:13:18] | sphery: | er, MENU|Video|Change Aspect Ratio|16:9 |
| [01:13:34] | westlock3: | unless I purchase HD channels or content is that correct? |
| [01:14:24] | westlock3: | I am using vdpau |
| [01:14:24] | sphery: | but if it's a 4:3 video image in a 16:9 signal (i.e. the black pillars on the sides are part of the video), you'd have to do a manual zoom and stretch it left right and not vertically |
| [01:14:29] | sphery: | and I don't think mythtv supports that |
| [01:15:39] | sphery: | westlock3: out of curiosity... what do you get from: xdpyinfo | grep -B2 resolution |
| [01:16:15] | westlock3: | screen #0: |
| [01:16:16] | westlock3: | dimensions: 1920x1080 pixels (903x508 millimeters) |
| [01:16:17] | wagnerrp: | westlock3: do you need to use vdpau? can you use software decoding and opengl? |
| [01:16:18] | westlock3: | resolution: 54x54 dots per inch |
| [01:16:22] | sphery: | and which source are you using for tv? ota, cable, satellite? |
| [01:16:59] | sphery: | ok, your X is configured properly, so that means that MythTV is "doing the right thing"--i.e. displaying the video how the video asks to display it |
| [01:17:13] | westlock3: | I'm using Cable television with a basic cable lineup that includes no HD channels. I run a EN210 Asus video card. |
| [01:17:27] | sphery: | how are you capturing? |
| [01:17:46] | sphery: | is this Clear QAM |
| [01:17:49] | sphery: | or analog? |
| [01:17:54] | wagnerrp: | westlock3: if you have enough power to run the software decoder, mythtv will scan for black bars, and automatically scale |
| [01:18:05] | westlock3: | I run 2 wintv2250 cards. |
| [01:18:22] | sphery: | so that would mean digital capture of clear qam? |
| [01:18:37] | tgm4883: | when creating metadata overrides in mythvideo for tv shows, should I be doing the overrides for ttvdb.conf or tmdb.conf? |
| [01:18:53] | westlock3: | Where do I adjust the software decoder? |
| [01:18:56] | wagnerrp: | tgm4883: i dont know what either of those files are |
| [01:19:07] | westlock3: | That would mean I recieve analog stations more or less over cable. |
| [01:19:11] | wagnerrp: | westlock3: the same place you turned on VDPAU, just put it back how it was |
| [01:19:11] | ** tgm4883 looks ** | |
| [01:20:04] | sphery: | westlock3: the auto-zoom maintains aspect ratio |
| [01:20:13] | westlock3: | I simply selected the Vpdau-Normal setting. That is all I did. |
| [01:20:18] | wagnerrp: | tgm4883: the tmdb/ttvdb grabbers never used those |
| [01:20:26] | sphery: | the problem you have is that you're getting 4:3 aspect video and want to display it stretched to 16:9 |
| [01:20:27] | wagnerrp: | jamu used a different file for storage of its overrides |
| [01:20:43] | wagnerrp: | and while i think i may have used those in mythvidexport, it would have only been in 0.23 |
| [01:20:50] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, according to this ttvdb has an override option http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Ttvdb.py |
| [01:21:12] | sphery: | there is a /very/ ugly solution you can use, but it will affect /all/ video played by mythtv--meaning that if you have any 16:9 DVDs you play or whatever, they'll be displayed with letterboxing (very wide and short) |
| [01:21:17] | wagnerrp: | it does? |
| [01:21:31] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, it can it seems |
| [01:21:38] | tgm4883: | perhaps it doesn't by default |
| [01:21:43] | tgm4883: | which may be my issue |
| [01:21:50] | ** wagnerrp checks ** | |
| [01:21:52] | westlock3: | I see. So how do I get a 16:9 source then or capture it as such or do I need a better cable package for that. Okay what is the ugly solution? |
| [01:22:12] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, under "user configuration file" |
| [01:22:14] | sphery: | westlock3: In mythfrontend settings, Utilities/Setup|Setup|TV Settings|Playback, there's a setting: Video aspect override: When enabled, these will override the aspect ratio specified by any broadcaster for all video streams. |
| [01:22:25] | westlock3: | I just got all my metadata working for all my recorded iso files. TV shouldn't be that much different. |
| [01:22:37] | sphery: | westlock3: if you use that, you will get short and fat people, but they'll help take up the unused space on your screen |
| [01:22:54] | westlock3: | kk I have to go grab pizza and beer. back in a bit. |
| [01:23:01] | sphery: | the other option is to use Full zoom (or Half zoom for a nicer compromise) and cut off top/bottom of the image |
| [01:23:21] | sphery: | Half zoom was actually designed for people with wide screen TVs and square/4:3 content |
| [01:23:24] | ** tgm4883 goes over to westlock3's house ** | |
| [01:23:52] | sphery: | tgm4883: this is a jamu thing? |
| [01:23:59] | tgm4883: | sphery, is it? |
| [01:25:21] | sphery: | hmmm... guess jamu had overrides in jamu.conf |
| [01:26:06] | tgm4883: | sphery, yea it's odd |
| [01:26:09] | tgm4883: | sphery, if thats' |
| [01:26:18] | tgm4883: | sphery, if that's not right, where do overrides go? |
| [01:26:42] | sphery: | are you on 0.24-fixes? |
| [01:26:44] | sphery: | or master? |
| [01:27:06] | tgm4883: | 0.24-fixes |
| [01:28:07] | sphery: | I think for that, you'd use Jamu--I don't think MythVideo 0.24 does any automatic/background metadata grabbing, and I'm 99.99999998% positive that 0.24 doesn't do any metadata grabbing for Watch Recordings |
| [01:28:20] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Jamu for Jamu stuff |
| [01:28:30] | tgm4883: | sphery, so heres the thing |
| [01:28:34] | sphery: | talks about overrides |
| [01:28:59] | tgm4883: | This is for a show series that I have ripped to individual episodes and stuck in the videos SG |
| [01:29:12] | tgm4883: | I've conformed to the naming guidelines |
| [01:29:20] | tgm4883: | I've done this with 2 shows |
| [01:29:36] | tgm4883: | Modern family has downloaded all the show info and screenshots, art etc |
| [01:29:52] | tgm4883: | Parenthood has downloaded show info for some show from the 1990's |
| [01:30:27] | sphery: | so sounds like with jamu, you'd use Parenthood_override section in jamu.conf |
| [01:31:32] | sphery: | tgm4883: btw, did you see dekarl's findings on the syslog configuration in Ubuntu with master? There are some permission problems and the config file needs renamed to something that comes before 50-default.conf (like 40-mythtv-rsyslog.conf) |
| [01:32:32] | tgm4883: | I didn't see that |
| [01:32:46] | wagnerrp: | what do you know... it does define overrides in those files |
| [01:33:55] | tgm4883: | Vindication! |
| [01:34:53] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, does the lookup happen on the backend now or the frontend in 0.24-fixes? |
| [01:35:06] | wagnerrp: | depends |
| [01:35:25] | wagnerrp: | if you run the scanner or call lookup manually from the frontend, its done in the frontend |
| [01:35:36] | wagnerrp: | if you use the backend protocol command, its done on the backend |
| [01:35:48] | tgm4883: | ok, so then I should make the overrides on both |
| [01:35:53] | sphery: | tgm4883: log file is at http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/1/2011-09-09:04:16:49 (complete with someone's UTF-8 char that messed up the log bot :) |
| [01:36:17] | sphery: | tgm4883: [04:54:24] for the summary |
| [01:36:57] | sphery: | tgm4883: really, you'll get all the importan info reading from 4:54 to 5:13 |
| [01:37:06] | sphery: | (short section) |
| [01:39:03] | sphery: | So, I'm starting to wonder if I no longer remember which movies I've seen because I've seen more than some critical number of movies and had an "out of memory" error or if I'm just getting old and getting bad memory... I used to never forget which movies I'd seen/not seen, but here I am watching a movie I recorded that I've seen but that I forgot I had seen. |
| [01:40:11] | tgm4883: | sphery, got it, and that is for 0.25? |
| [01:40:20] | sphery: | tgm4883: yep, 0.25 only |
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| [01:40:34] | tgm4883: | ok |
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| [01:41:05] | sphery: | I'd appreciate your just updating the wiki page with the changes--or at least sending me a copy of the config Ubuntu uses and I'll update the page |
| [01:41:18] | tgm4883: | will do |
| [01:41:42] | tgm4883: | I'll dig into this in a bit, going to try this ttvdb override then eat dinner |
| [01:41:45] | sphery: | I figure if we keep that wiki page in line with Ubuntu's config, it will make things easier for our large percentage of users who are running mythbuntu |
| [01:41:51] | sphery: | cool |
| [01:42:26] | sphery: | so, for my own knowledge, who's calling this ttvdb.py script? is it when you hit W in mythvideo or is it being run automatically? |
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| [01:44:04] | sphery: | I haven't really dug into the metadata stuff, yet, since I don't archive shows, so I don't move them to MythVideo and 0.24 doesn't have the built-in metadata support for watch recordings, so I don't use that, really (I've actually put a few pieces of artwork in place manually, but never set up jamu) |
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| [01:45:50] | tgm4883: | sphery, I assume it's being run when you select mass metadata update |
| [01:46:54] | sphery: | would that be the "Retrieve All Details" thing in MythVideo? |
| [01:46:59] | sphery: | guess I've never actually chosen that |
| [01:47:11] | tgm4883: | sphery, yep |
| [01:47:14] | sphery: | it sounds like it's basically the all videos equivalent of hitting w on one, though |
| [01:47:21] | sphery: | didn't realize that was in 0.24 |
| [01:47:24] | sphery: | pretty cool |
| [01:47:32] | tgm4883: | sphery, well hitting W on each one doesn't work for TV shows |
| [01:48:02] | tgm4883: | for instance, I do it on episode 1 of parenthood, and it shows up as "Parenthood (2010)" |
| [01:48:12] | tgm4883: | not with episode name and description |
| [01:48:18] | sphery: | ahh |
| [01:48:30] | sphery: | ok, another question--is Parenthood worth watching? |
| [01:48:34] | tgm4883: | and I must have done the override incorrectly, as it didn't gather the right show again |
| [01:48:38] | tgm4883: | it must really like the 90's |
| [01:48:48] | sphery: | I started Modern Family this summer--and it was great--but haven't started Parenthood, yet |
| [01:48:53] | tgm4883: | It's not the worse thing I've seen, the wifey likes it |
| [01:49:03] | sphery: | cool |
| [01:49:15] | tgm4883: | It's more drama than comedy I would say |
| [01:49:21] | tgm4883: | I'm only a few episodes in though |
| [01:49:39] | sphery: | ah, yeah, it's an hour-long show--I was thinking it was a half-hour comedy |
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| [02:04:51] | wagnerrp: | modern family was great, and then they started advertising for apple |
| [02:05:40] | sphery: | hehe, yeah |
| [02:06:13] | sphery: | any more, though, it's actually fun to see product placement ads in good shows--get to see who's paying for your good TV |
| [02:06:41] | wagnerrp: | but that wasnt product placement |
| [02:06:51] | wagnerrp: | that was a whole show dedicated to the glorious ipad |
| [02:07:03] | wagnerrp: | the whole friggen thing |
| [02:08:36] | sphery: | I assumed that was a paid-for-by-Apple thing |
| [02:09:23] | wagnerrp: | they never said anything as such |
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| [05:19:48] | wagnerrp: | sphery: version 3.x... why would have thought! |
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| [05:24:07] | sphery: | hehe |
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| [06:54:13] | westlock3: | Hey can blue ray dvd's be played over mythtv? |
| [06:54:29] | [R]: | its in the wiki |
| [06:54:39] | westlock3: | okay |
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| [07:17:43] | dekarl: | sphery: EIT signals what is going to be transmitted in the ComponentDescriptors which get parsed around here https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . ptors.h#L369 Might be worth to get jm|laptop to pastebin what dvbsnoop thinks of the EIT events (do they contain the descriptors or not) |
| [07:17:43] | dekarl: | tgm4883: with the new rsyslog config writing more log files, it might be nice to add them to the apport hook, too. |
| [07:25:28] | dekarl: | sphery: and we are not handling Stream_content=0x05 (H2.64/AVC), Component_type=0x80–0x83 => 3D compatible HD, widescreen |
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| [11:57:03] | justinh: | well, here goes phase 1 of the backend HDD upgrade. the big rsync |
| [11:57:54] | justinh: | incidentally today I powered up the backend's monitor & among other onscreen dialogs saw a HDD space warning about / only having about 2GB free. which must've been very old. maybe my mysql install is poorly now |
| [11:58:10] | justinh: | which would go a long way to explain the backend deadlocks |
| [12:01:40] | justinh: | I think part of this disk rearranging should be making a new partition for mysql |
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| [12:19:33] | quicksilver: | big rsyncs? ah, memories of the days before lvm :) |
| [12:19:39] | justinh: | ah and to make things even more fun my new 3TB HDDs don't work with the USB sata adapter I bought ages ago. boo |
| [12:19:55] | justinh: | quicksilver: I'm replacing HDDs, not adding |
| [12:20:10] | justinh: | had the current ones in for about 2 years now. time to change |
| [12:20:49] | quicksilver: | yes. |
| [12:20:50] | justinh: | lucky I have a desktop machine with a spare sata port.. pop the 3TB HDD in, boot into linux... format, mount & rsync away |
| [12:20:59] | quicksilver: | I always use lvm when adding hdds. |
| [12:21:04] | quicksilver: | replacing, I mean |
| [12:21:12] | justinh: | don't see the point in lvm |
| [12:21:12] | quicksilver: | it means you can do it all live and online and it's easier :) |
| [12:21:25] | quicksilver: | the point of lvm is it makes it easier when you add/remove/replace/reconfigure disks. |
| [12:21:37] | justinh: | I've got to take the box out of its house to do the hardware swap anyway |
| [12:22:02] | justinh: | you lvm guys.. you're evangelical to a fault :-P |
| [12:22:06] | ** quicksilver shrugs ** | |
| [12:22:25] | justinh: | lvm won't make what I'm doing any faster or easier or anything else |
| [12:23:37] | justinh: | reminds me.. better check my network connection is still gigabit. stupidbuntu live cd only have me 100M when I booted up |
| [12:23:52] | quicksilver: | I think not having to rsync is easier than having to rsync, but it's not really worth arguing about :) |
| [12:23:54] | k-man: | i've written a brew formula to attempt to build mythtv – it fails for me, but i'd be interested to know if it works (or how it fails) for other people with macs, anyone want to give it ago? |
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| [12:24:40] | heinzie80: | hi, anyone available for help? Can't get my setup to work.... I See "format_to_mode() does not recognize V4L1" message in backend log.... |
| [12:24:47] | justinh: | quicksilver: I might look into it, but I know bugger all about lvm & can't see how it'd help |
| [12:24:55] | heinzie80: | sorry if I am doing something wrong, I am new to IRC, please let me know if I am doing something inappropriate |
| [12:25:18] | justinh: | plus I'd likely need to be doing all this on the backend anyway.. which isn't an option right now.. hence doing the sync over the network :-) |
| [12:26:14] | Twiggy2cents: | heinzie80, the mornings(in us times) are slow on here. If you come back in about 8 hours there is a lot more activity in here. Also you could try the mailing list. |
| [12:26:41] | justinh: | heinzie80: you can also try putting the whole of the log into a pastebin on pastebin.com, paste the resulting URL here & get folks to have a look |
| [12:27:20] | justinh: | but from the line you just pasted it looks like your kernel has no V4L1 support & the mythtv version you've got relies on V4L1 not V4L2 |
| [12:27:59] | quicksilver: | so here is a weird issue. My recordings occasionally jump back 10 minutes. |
| [12:28:07] | quicksilver: | it's as if there are phantom IR codes coming in |
| [12:28:10] | quicksilver: | or phantom keypresses. |
| [12:28:16] | justinh: | so you can either use a slightly older kernel where V4L1 is not deprecated, or use a newer mythtv 0.24-fixes – which if I remember right is set up not to use V4L1 calls |
| [12:28:24] | quicksilver: | I disabled lirc, I think, and it still happens |
| [12:28:35] | heinzie80: | Thanks guys, I've noticed it's kinda slow on this channel. Will come back in 8 hours or so... And I will take a look at pastebin... |
| [12:28:35] | quicksilver: | anyboyd got any smart ideas how to check what's happening? |
| [12:28:35] | justinh: | quicksilver: weird. vnc or anything going too? |
| [12:28:39] | quicksilver: | justinh: nope |
| [12:28:51] | quicksilver: | I'm wondering if my PS/2 keyboard port is knackered and generating phantom keys |
| [12:28:55] | quicksilver: | but that's a bit weird |
| [12:28:55] | justinh: | quicksilver: seektables ok? |
| [12:29:16] | quicksilver: | justinh: well, in the menu it will occosioanally move selected item |
| [12:29:23] | justinh: | ahh – you could check with one of the X keyboard monitoring wotsits I suppose |
| [12:29:24] | quicksilver: | and in liveTV it occasionally switches channel |
| [12:29:29] | quicksilver: | so I'm sure it's phantom keys of some kind |
| [12:29:37] | quicksilver: | have switched the keyboard to a different one... |
| [12:29:45] | quicksilver: | and I think i've disabled lirc. And it still happens! |
| [12:29:47] | heinzie80: | @justinh: How can I check whether my kernel has V4l1 support? |
| [12:29:55] | heinzie80: | I am using the latest mythbuntu.... |
| [12:30:04] | justinh: | heinzie80: it won't have then |
| [12:30:09] | quicksilver: | justinh: that's a good idea. I'll fire up xev and see if it registers anything. |
| [12:30:35] | justinh: | heinzie80: I suspect your tuner card is too crappy, and has old or just rubbish drivers |
| [12:30:58] | justinh: | what *is* the tuner you're trying to use, heinzie80 ? |
| [12:30:58] | heinzie80: | It's an old one indeed.... Hauppauge 150 |
| [12:31:08] | justinh: | should be ok |
| [12:31:17] | justinh: | I suggest asking in #mythbuntu then |
| [12:31:34] | heinzie80: | yes but it's even more quite in there.... |
| [12:31:36] | justinh: | they know more about what their distro does than anybody |
| [12:31:48] | justinh: | try their forums too |
| [12:31:55] | heinzie80: | I will go there in 8 hours.... |
| [12:31:59] | justinh: | again, even slower... |
| [12:33:28] | heinzie80: | Justinf, can you advice me in what distro to use? |
| [12:33:51] | justinh: | mythbuntu should just work with that tuner card |
| [12:35:19] | heinzie80: | Ok, I'll stick with mythbuntu then..... |
| [12:35:29] | heinzie80: | Thanks for your help |
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| [13:53:18] | Seeker`: | bah, my backend now occasionally refuses to tune some channels, needs a reboot to get it back |
| [13:53:21] | Seeker`: | nothing in dmesg |
| [13:53:29] | Seeker`: | or anything obvious in the backend log either |
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| [14:00:13] | westlock3: | How do I get to the "Utilities" section? |
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| [14:06:34] | westlock3: | 16:9 override rocks. |
| [14:06:46] | westlock3: | Solved my alignment issues. |
| [14:11:29] | justinh: | had to start my rsync again, thanks to my son's meddling. heh |
| [14:12:38] | quicksilver: | well at least rsyncs restart without wasting work :) |
| [14:12:43] | Seeker`: | justinh: what did eh do? |
| [14:13:16] | justinh: | he grabbed the mouse from the desk & just kept hitting the buttons & moving it around. sooner or later he was gonna close something |
| [14:13:23] | Seeker`: | ah |
| [14:13:28] | Seeker`: | how old is he? |
| [14:13:36] | justinh: | 13.5 months |
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| [14:13:44] | Seeker`: | fair enough |
| [14:13:53] | Seeker`: | can't really be expected to know better :P |
| [14:14:27] | justinh: | so far only the "OMG DANGER" 'Noooooooooooooooooo' seems to stop him in his tracks. anything else he carries on regardless |
| [14:14:36] | justinh: | so if it's not dangerous... er... |
| [14:14:54] | justinh: | like he can tell the difference |
| [14:15:16] | justinh: | oh well, I will try & do important stuff while he's still awake ;) |
| [14:15:39] | Seeker`: | screen + close the terminal? |
| [14:15:44] | justinh: | you can imagine the 'fun' we had with him helping assemble the toy chest we just bought |
| [14:15:51] | justinh: | I'm lazy. it's grsync |
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| [14:17:34] | justinh: | now, if my usb sata adapter supported these new disks properly I'd prolly have just done it all in the cupboard where the backend lives |
| [14:18:40] | justinh: | but it doesn't so I'm stuck with this way. Still means I need to buy a new adapter, or at least bring the connections out somehow |
| [14:30:53] | iamlindoro: | tgm4883: Hitting W on TV shows absolute does work |
| [14:31:19] | iamlindoro: | tgm4883: If Your parenthood got picked up as a Movie, which it sounds like it did, then you have a file naming convention issue |
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| [14:32:13] | iamlindoro: | You can provide a filename, path and logs when you press W and I can tell you where your issue lies |
| [14:32:24] | iamlindoro: | But "W" is the same exact thing as fetching details in the menu |
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| [14:42:49] | westlock3: | iamlindoro your pretty good with metadata scripts right? |
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| [14:48:05] | snwblind: | hi, i'm having some problems on getting mymote on iphone to work. I've enabled network remote control interface from the fronted and tried netcatting and telnetting the port 6546 and got through from another computer succesfully. Problem is that mymote finds my backend and frontend but gets stuck on "Connecting…" screen. Any good ideas what i might be missing and is there anything else that needs be done to get the remote control w |
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| [14:49:40] | iamlindoro: | westlock3: I wrote the infrastructure/myth code that uses the metadata scripts, and their specification. I didn't write the scripts. |
| [14:50:15] | iamlindoro: | ie, I'm the one who dictated what the script format should look like, how they should operate, etc., and wrote the code to make myth use them |
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| [14:59:52] | westlock3: | Interesting information. That would be why I saw reference to you trying different metadata grabbers for different movie databases for alternative content. Is there anything written for grabbing metadata content for adult content? |
| [15:01:24] | westlock3: | Here is an interesting picture of my mythtv setup. http://ioio.ca/snapshot11.png I still have a few more dvd's to backup. |
| [15:03:02] | iamlindoro: | westlock3: We have never had anyone volunteer to write an adult movie grabber-- but as I said to you in channel the other day, if you write one, and it's compliant with that source's terms of service, I have no problem with integrating it |
| [15:03:46] | iamlindoro: | Since we have no automatic way of differentiating adult content with regular movie content, it would probably need to be invoked from the menu or a keystroke versus running automatically, but it's better than nothing |
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| [15:05:34] | westlock3: | Well analysis takes a bit. I've already started collecting scripts. Implementation and coding well thats a ways down the road but there should be some hack eventually. For the few titles I have It would be just as easy to search online and cut copy and paste. |
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| [15:05:59] | ** iamlindoro shrugs ** | |
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| [15:06:18] | iamlindoro: | I'm not here to convince you to do it-- if you feel the desire to do it, do so, if you don't, don't |
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| [15:06:42] | stuartm: | iamlindoro: I know an awful lot of effort has gone into automatically differentiating TV from Films etc by context/metadata, but maybe there's room for a user-toggable 'type' e.g. TV, Film, Adult, Home Video |
| [15:07:53] | westlock3: | The script itself tmdb.py or whatever it is does not look that complex or long for the most part. |
| [15:08:14] | iamlindoro: | stuartm: There is definitely room for it, though I am not sure I want to bolt it on to the existing schema versus writing a newer, better one |
| [15:08:49] | iamlindoro: | westlock3: the tmdb script doesn't look complex because most of the real work is in the bindings, which contain the "meat" of the interaction with the TMDB API |
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| [15:16:28] | FabriceMG: | iamlindoro, hello, I work on Allocine APIv3, 1 script for movie and 1 script for television, the backend use the command "-D" for the Fanart, Converart ...? |
| [15:17:55] | iamlindoro: | Artwork doesn't have its own command line |
| [15:18:24] | iamlindoro: | Read the Universal metadata format page and comply with it to make your script work |
| [15:18:45] | iamlindoro: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV_Universal_Metadata_Format |
| [15:18:53] | FabriceMG: | yes sir |
| [15:19:13] | iamlindoro: | That page shows you what exact format to follow, which command line switches to use, etc. |
| [15:19:22] | FabriceMG: | yep |
| [15:19:36] | FabriceMG: | I make , I make |
| [15:19:37] | iamlindoro: | So.... do that. |
| [15:21:04] | dekarl: | iamlindoro: been thinking about if it's a good thing to extend the image types to the kinds provided here: http://fanart.tv/ |
| [15:21:25] | dekarl: | would be an easy addition as they use the tvdb series id as primary key |
| [15:23:23] | westlock3: | Yeah there is alot I'm not seeing by just reading the tmdb.py. Otherwise I see most of the other grabbers out there for xmbc use pretty much the same type of fields to pull metadata. I just don't see where to change the lookup url/address to start inputing different data. Where do I find the application programming interface? |
| [15:25:00] | westlock3: | Perhaps better to look at the giantbomb directory for a better example. |
| [15:25:06] | dekarl: | westlock3: you'll have to ask your data source for their API |
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| [15:26:38] | westlock3: | Most are just scrapper scripts. Some pull information from excalibur films, adultdvdempire or the iafd.com site. The last might be the closest to having an api. |
| [15:26:57] | iamlindoro: | westlock3: dekarl is correct-- we don't care how you interact with the source, we just care that you output the XML in the correct format |
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| [15:27:55] | dekarl: | westlock3: you pick your grabber at the frontend und "grabber and datasources" in the configuration menu |
| [15:28:02] | iamlindoro: | dekarl: Adding an image type is a single line in a header file, adding support to actually grab them and use them significantly more-- I'd be fine with adding support for an image type if someone turned up with a patch to pull in the image urls in the grabber |
| [15:28:36] | iamlindoro: | (ie, I don't want to have a totally separate grabber just to bolt on another image type, it would need to be integrated into the existing one) |
| [15:29:41] | westlock3: | http://code.google.com/p/xbmc-adult/ << There is where some examples are that would have to be adapted. |
| [15:31:39] | dekarl: | iamlindoro: I agree, it should be an extension of the existing grabber. But then I've never even looked at Python code.... So don't hold your breath. |
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| [15:34:02] | westlock3: | http://code.google.com/p/xbmc-adult/source/browse/#svn%2Ftrunk There – Looks like I've found some reading material for today. |
| [15:34:47] | iamlindoro: | westlock3: None of that is going to be useful in any way for our grabbers |
| [15:35:10] | gabrielht44: | hola, please, i need help. my PlusTV (PVR-TV 305U) the sound don't work |
| [15:35:17] | iamlindoro: | Our grabbers are not remotely related to XBMC scrapers |
| [15:35:48] | iamlindoro: | You need to read and understand our metadata format, and then read an understand a given site's API, then use the API to transform the resulting data into XML compatible with our metadata format |
| [15:35:52] | dekarl: | westlock3: you do realize that they are scraping from websites likely violating the ToS? |
| [15:36:01] | iamlindoro: | ^^ And yes, that's a problem for us too |
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| [15:36:54] | gabrielht44: | I use Ububtu 10.04 and I probe all in XML (line, sound, etc) |
| [15:37:47] | dekarl: | might be easier to talk to iafd or excalibur about using they're data. Maybe they're open to the idea of having they're catalogue nicely handled in media centers |
| [15:39:34] | westlock3: | The iafd.com people are all for it but that data is exacting and mostly incomplete. This will take some research. |
| [15:41:51] | MP44: | Hi guys, does anybody know where the magic happened in udev on ubuntu 11.04? |
| [15:42:04] | MP44: | soryy, for dvb-t |
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| [15:42:50] | MP44: | I can create my own rules by I would like to prevent dvb/adapter[0–9]/dvr[0–9] to be created |
| [15:45:58] | justinh: | grrr another backend lockup :-\ |
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| [15:49:45] | justinh: | oh wait. stupid lircd |
| [15:50:03] | justinh: | nothing but trouble ever since I switched to STUPIDLOODYBUNTU |
| [15:51:00] | justinh: | I touch nothing, I update nothing automatically – and yet – once in a blue moon lirc decides not to work, or mythfrontend doesn't start automatically.. or... a/v sync is all to hell... or something else. all apparently random |
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| [16:11:18] | qwebirc25547: | Looking for some help with VDPAU. When I use the VDPAU Normal or VDPAU Slim profile I get audio glitches where you'll hear maybe half a second of audio from about 5–10 seconds in the past. This is happening on two different frontends and it even happened while playing a DVD. If I go back to CPU+ or Slim it's fine but won't play HD content. Any ideas? |
| [16:12:02] | qwebirc25547: | The log file shows all kinds of "Waited 100ms for video buffers" |
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