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| [00:45:42] | tgm4883: | wtf!?! |
| [00:46:10] | tgm4883: | I think that is the most calm, rational thing I've ever seen iamlindoro say |
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| [00:50:48] | k-man: | tgm4883, what? |
| [00:51:04] | tgm4883: | k-man, looking at the mailing list |
| [00:51:17] | tgm4883: | he posted an email he sent to the local PBS affialiate |
| [00:51:22] | tgm4883: | or rather, the engineering guy |
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| [01:11:47] | kormoc: | Iam is a very rational, calm guy until the density of the room exceeds tolerances |
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| [01:14:35] | k-man: | tgm4883, whats the subject line of the email? I can't find it |
| [01:15:16] | tgm4883: | kormoc, yes, as I am being told now by iamlindoro himself |
| [01:15:35] | tgm4883: | I'm pretty sure the mythvideo actually is a gateway into my system so he can know all and see all :) |
| [01:16:18] | tgm4883: | k-man, Fwd: RC "Broadcast" flag (KQED, CableCard) on mythtv-users |
| [01:17:25] | k-man: | tgm4883, ah, thanks |
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| [01:18:44] | iamlindoro: | I AM FEELING SO IRRATIONAL RIGHT NOW |
| [01:18:47] | iamlindoro: | I WILL PUNCH A BABY |
| [01:18:57] | tgm4883: | lol |
| [01:19:08] | tgm4883: | nah, 1 baby seems pretty normal |
| [01:19:34] | tgm4883: | I mean, they smell funny, they cry, you have to hold them all the time |
| [01:19:35] | iamlindoro: | not when he's the first in a line of baby dominoes |
| [01:19:39] | tgm4883: | heck, I want to punch a baby |
| [01:19:56] | tgm4883: | a line of baby dominoes? |
| [01:20:05] | tgm4883: | that.... is amazing sounding |
| [01:20:13] | wagnerrp: | my mail client has failed to connect... well that cant be good |
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| [02:23:05] | sdkovacs: | Hi, I'm running 0.24.1-fixes from atrpms. I just upgraded to Centos 6, and was wondering if its still recommended to remove pulseaudio |
| [02:23:28] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [02:25:18] | sdkovacs: | thanks. now to figure out how to remove it without destroying my system. It reminds me of IE6 |
| [02:25:48] | wagnerrp: | if you are using it as a dedicated mythtv box, there wont be anything else to worry about destroying |
| [02:27:28] | sdkovacs: | i am using it as a dedicated mythtv box. I removed pulseaudio via yum. Going to reboot now. Thanks. |
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| [02:33:23] | k-man: | anyone working on or ever considered writing a mac homebrew recipe to build mythtv? |
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| [02:35:00] | [R]: | "homebrew" vs the "official" script? |
| [02:35:33] | k-man: | [R], yes |
| [02:35:38] | [R]: | and the point of that is... |
| [02:35:44] | [R]: | you enjoy reinventing the wheel? |
| [02:36:08] | k-man: | well... I have tried for over a week to make the script work |
| [02:36:12] | k-man: | it does not work for me |
| [02:36:27] | k-man: | certainly not out of the box at any rate |
| [02:36:37] | [R]: | lol |
| [02:37:08] | k-man: | also, imho, the script is re-inventing many parts of what mac homebrew does. granted the script may have been written before brew |
| [02:37:38] | k-man: | but given that there is a framework for building things from source like brew (or mac ports or others) it could be interesting to look at using it |
| [02:38:28] | k-man: | anyway, I'm currently testing if it will compile qt for me, as I am unable to make the osx-packager.pl script compile qt successfully on my machines |
| [02:41:02] | k-man: | which makes it kind of hard to compile mythtv :) |
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| [02:42:04] | mattwj2002: | hi guys |
| [02:42:15] | k-man: | hi mattwj2002 |
| [02:42:43] | mattwj2002: | anyone had any luck with the Ceton InfiniTV 4 Digital Cable Quad-tuner Card? |
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| [02:42:51] | mattwj2002: | and mythtv of course |
| [02:42:52] | mattwj2002: | :) |
| [02:43:31] | [R]: | i suggest yo uread the mailing list |
| [02:46:02] | mattwj2002: | okay |
| [02:46:09] | mattwj2002: | I see |
| [02:46:18] | mattwj2002: | it is a patch work job |
| [02:46:34] | mattwj2002: | but quad cable cards :D |
| [02:48:53] | mattwj2002: | *tuners |
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| [03:12:50] | wagnerrp: | k-man: mac homebrew recipe... thats like actually some form of build system? |
| [03:13:18] | wagnerrp: | youre not just talking about a howto on how to build mythtv manually? |
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| [03:15:29] | k-man: | wagnerrp, the former |
| [03:15:39] | k-man: | wagnerrp, mac homebrew is an alternative to mac ports |
| [03:16:10] | k-man: | for some reason the cool kids these days are using mac homebrew rather than mac ports |
| [03:16:15] | k-man: | I like to pretend to be cool |
| [03:16:40] | k-man: | fwiw, brew built qt 4.7.3 cleanly for me |
| [03:17:13] | k-man: | https://github.com/mxcl/homebrew/wiki/Formula-Cookbook |
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| [03:28:00] | mattwj2002: | hi guys |
| [03:28:11] | mattwj2002: | anyone have an HDHomeRun and happy with it? |
| [03:28:19] | wagnerrp: | yes, yes |
| [03:28:28] | mattwj2002: | :D |
| [03:28:41] | k-man: | yes, yes |
| [03:28:42] | mattwj2002: | oops |
| [03:28:57] | mattwj2002: | I mean the HDHomeRun Prime |
| [03:29:02] | wagnerrp: | nope |
| [03:29:04] | [R]: | no, no |
| [03:29:06] | [R]: | :P |
| [03:29:17] | wagnerrp: | how are you not happy with it? you dont have one |
| [03:29:29] | wagnerrp: | you should be indifferent, or not applicable |
| [03:30:44] | hoolio: | <syntax error> |
| [03:30:47] | mattwj2002: | I am really debating if I should buy one or not |
| [03:31:02] | wagnerrp: | who is your provider? |
| [03:31:06] | mattwj2002: | Comcast |
| [03:31:16] | wagnerrp: | do you have existing firewire or analog capture? |
| [03:31:24] | k-man: | where would I find the software prerequisites for .24-fixes? |
| [03:31:38] | hoolio: | apt |
| [03:31:40] | mattwj2002: | I have an HDHome |
| [03:31:41] | hoolio: | :) |
| [03:31:43] | mattwj2002: | the original |
| [03:31:46] | wagnerrp: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes_0.24 |
| [03:31:57] | mattwj2002: | I want the prime |
| [03:32:06] | wagnerrp: | so you really dont have comcast, you are recording broadcast TV through someone else's antenna |
| [03:32:46] | mattwj2002: | no I have comcast |
| [03:32:57] | mattwj2002: | I have a cable box |
| [03:33:08] | wagnerrp: | i mean... a HDHR through comcast is only going to get the local broadcast channels |
| [03:33:15] | mattwj2002: | that I can get all the channels I am paying for |
| [03:33:46] | mattwj2002: | wagnerrp: I know how the HDHR works |
| [03:33:49] | mattwj2002: | I have one! |
| [03:34:10] | mattwj2002: | but I want the prime version |
| [03:34:29] | [R]: | wagnerrp: i can be not happy with it for 2 reaesons eitehr a) i used to have it b) ive heard bad things about it c) tahts just how i roll |
| [03:34:38] | wagnerrp: | what im getting at is that you wouldnt be replacing existing hardware, like analog or firewire capture off the cable box |
| [03:34:48] | [R]: | 3 reasons* |
| [03:34:56] | wagnerrp: | if you were, then it would be no argument |
| [03:35:05] | wagnerrp: | as getting a cablecard tuner would be cheaper |
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| [04:39:25] | Beirdo: | anyone happen to have a shortwave radio in working order? |
| [04:39:53] | [R]: | why yes... i live in the 1970s |
| [04:40:19] | k-man: | Beirdo, in fact, I do at home |
| [04:40:31] | k-man: | not that I have ever listened to anything on shortwave |
| [04:40:45] | k-man: | is there anything transmitted in shortwave these days? |
| [04:41:09] | [R]: | you mean aside from spy codes? |
| [04:41:48] | Beirdo: | k-man: hehe, I doubt you could pick up the signal from Australia, but you could always try :) |
| [04:42:11] | k-man: | I have an old Sony world band receiver – used to be my dads |
| [04:42:17] | k-man: | straight out of the 70s :) |
| [04:42:18] | Beirdo: | 3.330MHz, 7.335MHz or 14.760MHz |
| [04:42:29] | Beirdo: | CHU – time signal from Ottawa, Canada |
| [04:42:55] | k-man: | I doubt I could receive it, its only a little device with a pull up antena |
| [04:42:56] | Beirdo: | with the websdr, I managed to pull in 3.330MHz from the Netherlands, which rather surprised me |
| [04:43:15] | [R]: | on a clear night sky |
| [04:43:18] | [R]: | doesnt surprise me |
| [04:43:29] | k-man: | cool |
| [04:43:31] | Beirdo: | I could hear the 1kHz tones per second, and almost hear the Bell.103 modem signals once a minute |
| [04:43:35] | k-man: | anyway, I have to go, talk late |
| [04:43:36] | k-man: | r |
| [04:43:43] | Beirdo: | and teh voice was there, but waaaay in the background |
| [04:45:08] | Beirdo: | might be able to get WWVH in AU though |
| [04:45:30] | Beirdo: | that's broadcast from Hawaii |
| [04:49:05] | k-man: | Beirdo, where do you find out which stations are available? |
| [04:49:13] | k-man: | how do I find local SW stations? |
| [04:49:50] | Beirdo: | internet searching, primarily, I guess |
| [04:50:13] | Beirdo: | Hmm |
| [04:52:24] | Beirdo: | http://bpadula.tripod.com/ |
| [04:52:28] | Beirdo: | that might help ya :) |
| [04:53:38] | Beirdo: | hehe, two recent visitors |
| [04:53:56] | k-man: | yep, got to go, i'l research later :) |
| [04:53:59] | Beirdo: | me in Seattle, and you in Sydney? |
| [04:54:36] | k-man: | wagnerrp, incidentaly, macbrew people appear to not want to build .app apps using macbrew (or at least won't accept formula into brew that do that) |
| [04:54:46] | k-man: | but it still could be a useful tool for building imho |
| [05:05:33] | Beirdo: | oooh |
| [05:05:50] | Beirdo: | CHU has moved from 7.335 to 7.850 apparently |
| [05:07:42] | Beirdo: | hmph, still don't hear it. |
| [05:26:15] | G: | hmm just noticed something interesting (and I half expected it to happen) dual boot machine, both will run mythfrontend, how do I ensure that both frontends have different configuration profiles? |
| [05:27:05] | wagnerrp: | give then different hostnames, or enforce different names using the LocalHostName directive in mysql.txt file |
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| [05:28:07] | G: | wagnerrp: you rock, thank you! :) |
| [05:28:26] | Beirdo: | wagnerrp: in python, if something returns rate, data... how do I assign the return values to functions? |
| [05:28:31] | Beirdo: | errr variables |
| [05:28:44] | Beirdo: | is it just : rate, data = load("file") |
| [05:29:29] | wagnerrp: | if load('file') returns a tuple or list with two values, that will work |
| [05:29:38] | wagnerrp: | if it returns anything else, that will fail with a runtime exception |
| [05:29:45] | Beirdo: | the return is "return rate, data |
| [05:29:47] | Beirdo: | " |
| [05:30:00] | Beirdo: | from SciPy, BTW :) |
| [05:30:01] | wagnerrp: | that will be a tuple |
| [05:30:15] | Beirdo: | gonna play with some fft type stuff |
| [05:30:55] | Beirdo: | cool |
| [05:31:43] | G: | wagnerrp: that was exactly what I needed, massive thanks :) |
| [05:34:27] | Beirdo: | OK, that worked. :) |
| [05:34:41] | Beirdo: | rate of 96000, 8793088 samples |
| [05:34:48] | Beirdo: | eeexcellent |
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| [06:28:15] | Beirdo: | chu-filtered.wav: RIFF (little-endian) data, WAVE audio, Microsoft PCM, 64 bit, 320 channels 8000 Hz |
| [06:28:25] | Beirdo: | ummm, not QUITE what I had in mind |
| [06:28:30] | Beirdo: | doh |
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| [06:28:58] | [R]: | wow, 320 channels |
| [06:29:00] | [R]: | pretty extreme |
| [06:29:05] | wagnerrp: | 64 bit? |
| [06:29:13] | Beirdo: | that is sooo buggered |
| [06:29:25] | Beirdo: | I'll get it right shortly :) |
| [06:30:06] | Beirdo: | did rfft, irfft (with a different length), appending to a list, which I then convert to an array (numpy-wise) |
| [06:30:39] | Beirdo: | but it seems that it decided it's 320 short channels |
| [06:30:51] | Beirdo: | I'm sure it's just me being an idiot :) |
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| [07:00:20] | Beirdo: | wow, this is a lot slower. Maybe it's actually doing somehting now |
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| [07:02:17] | Beirdo: | hmmm. now it says 64bit mono 8000Hz |
| [07:02:20] | Beirdo: | getting there |
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| [07:16:21] | Beirdo: | don't really need it to stay floats, thanks |
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| [07:59:51] | justinh: | seeker: cinematic pans often do look jerky to me at 24fps. heck, when I first sit down to watch a film at the flicks even the 24fps shutter rate seems a little jarring to my eyes – though IIRC each frame is shown twice so the 'refresh rate' (so to speak) is 48fps. Anyway, they have the tech.. they should increase the framerate already |
| [08:01:20] | seeker: | justinh: I agree that framerate needs to be increased. That and interlacing needs to disappear |
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| [08:39:39] | justinh: | interlacing is never going to disappear til framerates are increased :) |
| [08:40:17] | justinh: | & even when it does, flat panels still have some response time catching up to do – or otherwise why would so much motion processing be necessary? ;-) |
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| [08:50:59] | seeker: | I don't think response time is the issue |
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| [08:53:34] | seeker: | The panels update fast enough that you dont get the inherent "blending" you got with CRTs |
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| [08:58:04] | justinh: | seeker: so what *is* the issue then? are they all so bad at deinterlacing? |
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| [08:58:47] | justinh: | never looks like a deinterlacing issue when you see different parts of the picture which should be treated as one area moving at different rates / in different directions |
| [08:59:24] | justinh: | before I buy any flat panel I'd be looking very closely to see whether that stuff can be turned fully *OFF* |
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| [09:04:33] | seeker: | Most panels have a "shop" mode where everything is turned on full |
| [09:08:57] | justinh: | I'm not talking about what I've only seen in shops |
| [09:09:13] | justinh: | I'm talking about panels I've been in front of with the remote control burrowing into their menus |
| [09:09:40] | justinh: | here's hoping my CRT lasts long enough for something good enough to come along :) |
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| [10:53:11] | ahhughez: | howdy guys... should I be expecting to see mythwelcome when I exit the frontend? |
| [10:53:47] | hashbang: | justinh: sounds like what you're seeing is the "600Hz" refresh – i.e. 6 regions, each refreshing independently at 100Hz. |
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| [10:54:24] | justinh: | I think it was more subtle than that |
| [10:55:05] | hashbang: | justinh: or 10x60Hz, or whatever |
| [10:55:29] | hashbang: | justinh: I think the fancy sets will also be doing motion prediction/interpolation independently too |
| [10:58:51] | justinh: | but *why* ? |
| [10:58:52] | ahhughez: | argh this is annoying... the hard part of my acpi setup is done... I can manually set values in /sys/class/rtc/rtc0/wakealarm and then halt the system manually and it all comes back up by itself. But myth on its own fails to shut down the pooter. Any idea where I can find the appropriate logs? |
| [10:59:06] | justinh: | they must be trying to cover up inherent flaws in the display tech |
| [10:59:55] | ahhughez: | justinh, sometimes you can turn that stuff off on the tv |
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| [11:00:19] | justinh: | once you've seen it happen once, where there's a face closeup & they or the camera moves – and you catch their eye/mouth/cheek detaching from the rest of their face... |
| [11:00:47] | justinh: | I'm open to the idea it might also be an encoding artifact too tough |
| [11:00:49] | justinh: | *though |
| [11:01:25] | justinh: | it's as jarring as all the tearing / rolling shutter clips they've been showing on news channels lately |
| [11:02:12] | hashbang: | justinh: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=2 . . . 91951AAYnLWy seems to suggests it's a kludge to reduce manufacturing cost/repair |
| [11:02:56] | hashbang: | justinh: my pet hate is when interlaced footage is shown in the wrong field order. Blech. |
| [11:04:07] | ahhughez: | well I just tried "shutdown now" on mythwelcome... nothing. log location anyone? |
| [11:04:33] | seeker: | justinh: Were these problems on a LCD or plasma? |
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| [11:11:40] | ahhughez: | w00t, I just found a typo in a path..... but I still don't know if I should be expecting to see mythwelcome when I quit the frontend? |
| [11:19:24] | kugel_: | ahhughez: did you try "telinit 0"? I have one old Fedora system where telinit 0 takes the system down completely, but "shutdown" does not. I have no idea what makes the difference. (with shutdown the system stops running, but doesn't power off) |
| [11:27:53] | ahhughez: | I *think* its me who's likely stuffed this up... but logs would sure be nice. |
| [11:29:10] | ahhughez: | what user should mythwelcome be running as? mythtv? |
| [11:29:23] | ahhughez: | just wondering if I break its config by me running as me. |
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| [11:46:25] | Twiggy2cents: | Is it possible to edit metadata on recordings? |
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| [11:51:04] | ahhughez: | well, I got mythwelcome to shut down.... except it kinda just rebooted straight away! |
| [11:51:33] | justinh: | seeker: seen em on lcd & plasma |
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| [11:52:09] | justinh: | anyway I know you can turn all the processing junk off on some models, so I'll be careful to buy one where I can |
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| [12:04:07] | ahhughez: | woohoo, it shutsdown! My only remaining issue AFAIK.... is why do I not go into mythwelcome when I exit the frontend? |
| [12:04:20] | justinh: | Twiggy2cents: sure it is :-) |
| [12:04:32] | ahhughez: | because otherwise, how can I shut this down 'properly' ? |
| [12:05:35] | wagnerrp: | ahhughez: this is a combo frontend/backend? |
| [12:05:40] | justinh: | oh btw guys – haven't seen a backend deadlock in quite a while since changing my myssql config |
| [12:08:13] | justinh: | Twiggy2cents: press MENU in 'watch recordings' – go into recording options – change recording title – allows you to change title & subtitle only. I believe the master branch (which will be 0.25) allows more editing |
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| [12:17:29] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: you around? |
| [12:17:37] | wagnerrp: | (you seemed to be checking the logs earlier) |
| [12:18:08] | Twiggy2cents: | justinh, ohh, I wanted to enter an ID so I could fetch the rest. I guess I will wait for the next release then |
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| [12:19:29] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: anyway, im looking at this mythvidexport issue on the mailing list |
| [12:19:39] | wagnerrp: | and its merely faulting because the grabber script faulted |
| [12:20:02] | wagnerrp: | the grabber script is faulting because themoviedb's API doesnt know what to do with a question mark |
| [12:20:38] | wagnerrp: | im wondering what the best course to handle this is |
| [12:21:06] | wagnerrp: | i dont recall ever having any trouble with this in mythtv itself, but then its very possible ive simply never dealt with any movies that had question marks in the title |
| [12:21:30] | wagnerrp: | looking through the code, i dont see anything specific that looks like it filters out such characters |
| [12:22:35] | wagnerrp: | in any case, im thinking the correct location would be inside the tmdb.py script itself, since there is no reason some other script/api would not be able to properly handle URLencoded question marks (%3F) |
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| [13:13:24] | wagnerrp: | ugh... seems mythtv isnt the only project having problems with people running ancient versions |
| [13:14:10] | wagnerrp: | someone posted to one of the freebsd lists, struggling to get the PF firewall running on 5.5 |
| [13:14:16] | wagnerrp: | current version is 8.2 |
| [13:14:32] | wagnerrp: | i started running freebsd 5.3 way back in like 2002 |
| [13:15:13] | wagnerrp: | hes not even "still using 5.5" |
| [13:15:17] | wagnerrp: | he just started using it |
| [13:15:34] | wagnerrp: | WTF... |
| [13:15:45] | EvilGuru: | I found a Linux 2.2 box a few months back in a closet |
| [13:16:16] | wagnerrp: | did you immediately think, "hey, i should use that as my firewall without upgrading it"? |
| [13:16:19] | Korny2: | I dunno, I still run XP on my wifes laptop :P |
| [13:16:37] | EvilGuru: | wagnerrp: I thought, "lets check the uptime on this baby" |
| [13:16:52] | EvilGuru: | from the installed software/open ports it was a mail server at one point |
| [13:17:11] | EvilGuru: | but because "it might be doing something important" no one turned it off |
| [13:17:52] | wagnerrp: | Korny2: this would be like your wife was migrating from OSX to Windows, so you got a "brand new" XP machine to use |
| [13:19:22] | Korny2: | Ahh, on a myth note, is there a way to make it so that if you are recording a program and click on it in the guide it will start playing the recording vs watching live(and taking up 2 tuners) |
| [13:19:29] | wagnerrp: | my point is its absurd hes starting with such an old version |
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| [13:19:56] | EvilGuru: | I do worry about the security, as is something that old still getting updated |
| [13:20:16] | wagnerrp: | not that i am aware of |
| [13:20:36] | wagnerrp: | if you are in the guide, you are already in livetv mode, meaning you already have a tuner in use |
| [13:20:51] | wagnerrp: | if you give up your tuner to use the in-progress recording |
| [13:20:56] | wagnerrp: | you may not be able to get the tuner back |
| [13:21:18] | wagnerrp: | and you certainly would not be allowed to control the tuner in use for that recording |
| [13:23:27] | kugel_: | Hey, all, I asked yesterday if anybody knew how to set ALSA defaults — the documentation is wrong, at least for my machine/version. |
| [13:23:31] | Korny2: | This is more for my wife and simplicity sakes, like if shes watching tv and switches to a program already being recorded on a another tuner i'd rather it start playing the recording(with commercial flagging going on) then use 2 tuners to watch the same show is all |
| [13:23:54] | EvilGuru: | Korny2: Just seems a bit messy, mixing live and recorded |
| [13:24:26] | Korny2: | I got spoiled with it in my previous software I was using |
| [13:24:32] | wagnerrp: | Korny2: i understand what youre saying, it just adds a number of complications if you start mixing recordings into livetv like that |
| [13:24:44] | wagnerrp: | and so in this case, mythtv takes the safe route |
| [13:24:59] | EvilGuru: | Live tv is not worked on as heavily as other parts of myth |
| [13:25:00] | Korny2: | No problem I was just curious is all, I'll just order another HDHR :P |
| [13:25:12] | EvilGuru: | Which is understandable, as many people *never* use it |
| [13:26:53] | EvilGuru: | Saying that 0.23 or 0.24 added a feature where it remembers the last channel you were watching |
| [13:27:18] | wagnerrp: | thats been around much longer than that |
| [13:27:32] | wagnerrp: | as long as i remember, anyway |
| [13:27:50] | EvilGuru: | 0.21 used to stick me on the last channel that tuner recorded, rather than what I last watched live |
| [13:28:25] | wagnerrp: | ah, i didnt realize mythtv differentiated between the two |
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| [13:29:35] | EvilGuru: | I know it is my fault for not getting myth to use a different tuner for live stuff, but it is quite a nice addition |
| [13:31:09] | slickrick: | hi. i am trying to get my ivtv cards which are connected to regular cable working. right scanning always results in the message "failed to find any channels" |
| [13:31:25] | wagnerrp: | you shouldnt be scanning analog channels |
| [13:31:34] | wagnerrp: | pull them from your schedules direct account |
| [13:31:36] | EvilGuru: | slickrick: You want to use the s-video input |
| [13:31:57] | wagnerrp: | EvilGuru: hes actually using analog cable, not capturing from a cable box |
| [13:32:10] | slickrick: | wagnerrp: oh thanks. been a while since i reset the capture cards on this system. |
| [13:32:14] | EvilGuru: | wagnerrp: Right, I'm with you now |
| [13:32:37] | wagnerrp: | slickrick: channels are stored completely independently of capture cards |
| [13:32:38] | EvilGuru: | Is that still around? Our cable provider went DVB-C a while back |
| [13:32:52] | wagnerrp: | if you redid the capture cards, all you have to do is reconnect the old video sources with the new devices |
| [13:33:07] | wagnerrp: | yeah, some providers over here still offer analog cable |
| [13:33:16] | slickrick: | wagnerrp: yes, i did that part. i did my hdhr's first. |
| [13:33:19] | wagnerrp: | although most are doing it for an increasingly limited number of channels |
| [13:33:20] | slickrick: | then the ivtv's. |
| [13:33:35] | wagnerrp: | if you reconnected the old video source, you already have all the old channels |
| [13:33:41] | wagnerrp: | there is no reason to scan or import them |
| [13:34:09] | slickrick: | do i need to go through each input connection for the tuners and hit fetch channels from listings from source? |
| [13:34:11] | EvilGuru: | Interesting, surprised that the content providers still allow their stuff to go down it |
| [13:34:18] | slickrick: | i deleted all the cards and put them back in. |
| [13:34:30] | slickrick: | then i had redo the input connections. |
| [13:35:10] | wagnerrp: | EvilGuru: why? |
| [13:35:37] | wagnerrp: | slickrick: you only need to set up channels once per video source |
| [13:35:44] | wagnerrp: | you are using the old video sources |
| [13:35:51] | wagnerrp: | meaning you have already set up channels for them |
| [13:36:00] | wagnerrp: | you merely have to redo the input connections |
| [13:36:09] | wagnerrp: | you do not have to do /anything/ with the channels |
| [13:36:10] | EvilGuru: | Here, at least, almost everything is encrypted over cable, even stuff which is basically free to view |
| [13:36:11] | slickrick: | gotcha, thanks for the clarification. |
| [13:37:03] | wagnerrp: | many people have no desire to pay an $8-$10 cable box rental to do digital cable |
| [13:37:29] | wagnerrp: | and "digital cable ready" tvs are expensive, old, and far between |
| [13:38:13] | wagnerrp: | some broadcasters have switched over to cheap "DTAs" |
| [13:38:25] | wagnerrp: | a reduced crypto set, and standard definition support only |
| [13:38:26] | slickrick: | wagnerrp: you hit the nail on the head. i am in canada and i don't feel like renting cable boxes. i get all my HD via ATSC and the fill in the gaps with the old IVTV's. |
| [13:38:43] | wagnerrp: | but then youre still stuck with with an external box you have to change channels through |
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| [13:39:38] | Korny2: | I find myself wondering how long the HDHR prime will stay useful or if the cable companies will find a way of killing them |
| [13:40:01] | slickrick: | my cable provider really sucks (Rogers). basically they love the box rental game. i don't see them ever allowing cable cards. they are also encryption happy ... they encrypt everything, even the channels that are free. |
| [13:40:14] | Korny2: | Not literally, but figuratively |
| [13:40:15] | wagnerrp: | the HDHR Prime is useful precisely because the cable companies fear the alternative |
| [13:40:44] | wagnerrp: | the cablecard system has been in place since 2006, enforced by law |
| [13:41:02] | Korny2: | I figure what I'm going to do eventually when I get cable again is get an 3 tuner PRIME and 1 HDPVR for non copy freely channels |
| [13:41:18] | wagnerrp: | however there has been almost no digital cable ready tvs or third party sets, because of draconian requirements imposed by cable labs |
| [13:41:55] | wagnerrp: | requirements specifically designed to prevent the use of such third party devices, in favor of those cable boxes the cable companies provided |
| [13:42:06] | Korny2: | which cost WAY to much |
| [13:42:12] | wagnerrp: | in 2009, the fcc deemed cablecard a failure, and started drawing up plans for a replacement |
| [13:42:13] | Korny2: | 10 bucks or more a month from comcast I know taht |
| [13:42:28] | EvilGuru: | Do you get any choice of cable provider? |
| [13:42:53] | wagnerrp: | so in response, cable labs loosened up the requirements to get licensed, in an attempt to show cablecard was still a viable mechanism |
| [13:42:54] | slickrick: | so the only option to record the premium channels is something like the HD PVR box and an IR blaster i guess. |
| [13:42:58] | Korny2: | No they are usually local monopolies |
| [13:43:08] | wagnerrp: | which is why you see this rash of devices coming in the last year or so |
| [13:43:27] | Korny2: | But it still depends on the cable company setting the flags |
| [13:43:29] | wagnerrp: | it still took silicon dust over a year to get production licensing |
| [13:44:00] | EvilGuru: | Any satellite services available? |
| [13:44:01] | wagnerrp: | the HDHR Prime was practically ready for use early last year |
| [13:44:25] | wagnerrp: | EvilGuru: dish and directtv, both using proprietary broadcast systems and first party receivers |
| [13:44:28] | Korny2: | If comcast decides to set everything to copy once (which works for their DVRs) but not the primes it would eliminate the usefulness of the prime |
| [13:45:01] | Korny2: | Thats what I worry about |
| [13:45:05] | wagnerrp: | Korny2: and would eliminate their 'multi-room DVR' capability, as well as that on Tivos |
| [13:45:13] | Korny2: | True |
| [13:45:27] | wagnerrp: | comcast is explicitly allowing copy freely on as much as they can get away with to appease the tivo users |
| [13:45:39] | wagnerrp: | meanwhile, time warner is f--ing everyone |
| [13:46:45] | Korny2: | TW needs to go away, with all the bandwidth limitations they are trying to impose |
| [13:46:46] | wagnerrp: | slickrick: you may want to check with your cable company |
| [13:46:59] | wagnerrp: | there are no regulation in canada with respect to cablecard |
| [13:47:17] | wagnerrp: | but if they offer it, inexpensively, with shows marked copy freely |
| [13:47:22] | wagnerrp: | its a much cheaper alternative to a cable box |
| [13:47:43] | wagnerrp: | my regional cable company is getting bought out by time warner |
| [13:47:46] | wagnerrp: | i fear the future |
| [13:48:29] | EvilGuru: | Does recording the output of a cable box and then using an IR blaster work well/reasonably? |
| [13:48:52] | wagnerrp: | well enough |
| [13:49:08] | slickrick: | so do cable cards allow access to all channels you pay for, or only the 'free' channels? |
| [13:49:19] | wagnerrp: | but you need one tuner per recording, and you need a $150-$200 HDPVR if you want HD |
| [13:49:26] | wagnerrp: | in addition to the $10/mo box rental |
| [13:49:41] | wagnerrp: | cablecards allow all access to channels you pay for |
| [13:49:47] | wagnerrp: | your cable box actually has one slotted internally |
| [13:50:00] | wagnerrp: | however, mythtv will only be able to access those channels marked 'copy freely' |
| [13:50:31] | wagnerrp: | note that those markings are completely independent of what channels are broadcast unencrypted |
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| [13:50:47] | slickrick: | thats the CCI flag right? |
| [13:50:53] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [13:51:55] | slickrick: | i don't trust my cable provider. a good forum for canadian stuff had a thread about it saying they incorrectly set the flag on all channels to not allow copying. |
| [13:52:23] | wagnerrp: | theres nothing incorrect about that |
| [13:52:35] | wagnerrp: | its their choice, its a /bad/ choice |
| [13:52:44] | wagnerrp: | but thats besides the point |
| [13:53:06] | slickrick: | fair enough, but it seems incorrect to me. |
| [13:58:02] | slickrick: | my good old (and i mean old) ivtv's are working again. |
| [13:58:06] | slickrick: | onto the hdhr's now. |
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| [14:06:55] | slickrick: | which HDHR's do i need to scan each input? |
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| [14:10:38] | slickrick: | oops, i mean WITH the hdhomeruns do I need to scan each tuner. |
| [14:11:03] | wagnerrp: | you are reconnecting them to the old video source, correct? |
| [14:11:11] | justinh: | not if they all end up connected to the same source |
| [14:12:28] | slickrick: | wagnerrp: yes. |
| [14:12:42] | wagnerrp: | then you DO NOT NEED TO SCAN |
| [14:12:45] | slickrick: | but i was rescanning as some of the stations have moved freq's. |
| [14:13:19] | wagnerrp: | if you need to rescan to pick up new stations, then as mentioned, you only do it once per source |
| [14:13:26] | wagnerrp: | all channels are stored in the source, not the tuner |
| [14:13:27] | slickrick: | okay, thanks. |
| [14:13:41] | wagnerrp: | so any changes you make to the source affect all tuners linked to it |
| [14:14:05] | slickrick: | okay, i understand now. thanks for the clarification. |
| [14:22:06] | justinh: | heheheh that director presentation was fun just now. "the customer is king (but some customers will be treated as a greater priority than others)". What larks |
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| [14:30:58] | slickrick: | i'm getting these errors: http://pastebin.com/w87VQXPf in my mythbackend.log repeatedly. |
| [14:31:26] | slickrick: | seems like somethings not quite right. |
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| [14:43:00] | justinh: | uhhhh don't trim your own log output if you'd like anybody to stand a chance of helping |
| [14:43:54] | slickrick: | was that directed to me? it wasn't trimmed ... |
| [14:44:04] | justinh: | yes it was. where's the context? |
| [14:44:30] | slickrick: | the same entries repeat over and over. eg: http://pastebin.com/sf7mGKPb |
| [14:44:50] | slickrick: | well after adding my HDHR's back i see these entries repeat over and over again very rapidly. |
| [14:45:25] | slickrick: | it seems to be just for two channels. 4_1 and 47_1 |
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| [15:04:30] | slickrick: | how can i delete all of my channels and start over? i want to start fresh. i think some of the channels i have are before things changed freq's here. |
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| [15:05:15] | slickrick: | my setup is two antennas, facing completely different directions connected to two hdhr's. i get some duplication because of this. |
| [15:05:40] | slickrick: | for example off one antenna i get a station perfectly and the opposite antenna doesn't get it at all. |
| [15:06:18] | slickrick: | but thats expected as one points at toronto and one points at buffalo. |
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| [15:06:52] | slickrick: | i used to have the toronto antenna channels named xx_x and the american antenna channels named xx.x |
| [15:07:11] | slickrick: | i think its all messed up now and iwant to start over, and rescan then reorganize the channels. |
| [15:07:49] | slickrick: | will deleting all the video sources accomplish this? |
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| [17:04:35] | sphery: | wagnerrp: but shouldn't I put that 720B to better use... I mean it's such a huge waste. |
| [17:05:16] | wagnerrp: | meanwhile, mythbackend is consuming 6892 bytes... does that seem right? |
| [17:05:18] | sphery: | Oh, and btw, I think moused is FreeBSD only. Pretty sure gpm is the GNU/Linux equivalent. |
| [17:05:33] | sphery: | are you using pmap -d? |
| [17:05:40] | wagnerrp: | maybe? |
| [17:05:47] | sphery: | use it and check the shared vs writable |
| [17:05:58] | wagnerrp: | eh? |
| [17:06:25] | sphery: | or, mapped vs writable |
| [17:06:28] | wagnerrp: | oh... 0K for all |
| [17:06:38] | sphery: | freebsd? |
| [17:06:42] | wagnerrp: | gentoo |
| [17:07:45] | wagnerrp: | slashdot has been slashdotted |
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| [17:10:20] | sphery: | This is what pmap -d should show: http://pastebin.com/KGCd9t6K ... means mythbackend (on my remote backend) is using 253MB or memory, but 170MB are mythbackend-specific code, and the other 83MB are libs, etc., that are already in use by other programs. If I actually started up X, the shared would go way up, too |
| [17:11:20] | wagnerrp: | i get nothing |
| [17:11:28] | wagnerrp: | erm... maybe i have to be the same user |
| [17:11:35] | sphery: | I think you may need to be root |
| [17:11:53] | wagnerrp: | user does it |
| [17:12:00] | sphery: | yeah, it does |
| [17:12:11] | wagnerrp: | 617M mapped, 215M private |
| [17:12:32] | sphery: | wow, seems a lot for mythbackend |
| [17:12:55] | wagnerrp: | especially considering it does nothing |
| [17:12:56] | sphery: | I'll check out my dev box later today and see what it's like |
| [17:13:04] | wagnerrp: | i dont think it has recorded one show since it was rebooted |
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| [17:14:09] | sphery: | for my fluxbox, I have 147MB mapped and 2116K private |
| [17:14:15] | sphery: | and 1064K shared |
| [17:14:34] | sphery: | so, basically, fluxbox uses 2MB of incremental RAM (other than what X, etc. would use) |
| [17:14:41] | sphery: | what's your evil show? |
| [17:14:41] | bobgill: | Is there any way for me to see my MythTV scheduling (upcoming/recorded) list in CLI? |
| [17:14:50] | sphery: | bobgill: mythbackend --printsched |
| [17:15:08] | bobgill: | sweet thx |
| [17:15:25] | sphery: | bobgill: + http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythbackend#Interp . . . sched_Output |
| [17:15:28] | wagnerrp: | whoops... top is actually in kilobytes if it doesnt say otherwise |
| [17:15:29] | wagnerrp: | :) |
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| [17:15:48] | wagnerrp: | anyway, evilwm is using 388KB private, according to pmap |
| [17:15:50] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh, so 720kB... still very reasonable |
| [17:15:55] | sphery: | ah, ok |
| [17:16:13] | sphery: | last someone checked, ratpoison used 300kB private |
| [17:16:52] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Q . . . _only_box.3F + http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/230354#230354 |
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| [17:24:00] | sphery: | OK, so Samsung has switched its phone naming to use letters... M, Y, etc. They seem to be really trying to push their Bada OS (especially with the uncertainty over Android/Googorola's intentions). So, I have to wonder when we'll see a Bada S phone from Samsung. |
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| [17:32:50] | wagnerrp: | i know why |
| [17:33:25] | wagnerrp: | theyre having so much traffic surrounding a story about people with 'radio allergies' flocking to an enforced dead zone in west virginia intended for a radio telescope array |
| [17:33:57] | EvilGuru: | I love the radio allergy people, they are not just crazy, they are certifiably crazy |
| [17:34:24] | sphery: | seems responsive to me |
| [17:34:45] | sphery: | ok, maybe that was just the home page |
| [17:34:47] | wagnerrp: | now were going to subject you to a double blind stud.... wait, you might hit me with EM? no thank you! |
| [17:35:19] | sphery: | stop 2nd hand radiation! |
| [17:35:24] | ** wagnerrp has a real honest to goodness EM allergy ** | |
| [17:35:46] | wagnerrp: | looking at bright lights (like the sun) induces a sneezing reflex |
| [17:35:51] | wagnerrp: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photic_sneeze_reflex |
| [17:36:02] | wagnerrp: | (ok, so maybe its not really an allergy) |
| [17:36:04] | sphery: | people in airports should all have to go into a dark, em-infested faraday cage to use their computers and ipads and ... |
| [17:36:22] | sphery: | hehe, I never knew there was a real name for that |
| [17:36:39] | sphery: | "also sometimes referred to using the backronym Autosomal Dominant Compelling Helio-Ophthalmic Outburst Syndrome (ACHOO Syndrome)," |
| [17:36:43] | sphery: | that's just plain annoying |
| [17:38:14] | sphery: | hehe, "Dozens of Americans who claim to have been made ill by wi-fi and mobile phones have flocked to the town of Green Bank, West Virginia" |
| [17:38:31] | sphery: | dozens... that's quite a flocking |
| [17:38:51] | wagnerrp: | the first post is particularly good |
| [17:39:02] | wagnerrp: | "Just what WVa needs, a new variety of crazy" |
| [17:39:17] | wagnerrp: | "As if the hillbillies out in some of those valleys weren't batshit enough already, now they're inviting in a bunch of tinfoil-hatter paranoid schizos to stay. Expect a significant jump in alien abduction and anal probing reports (above even the current extremely high levels)." |
| [17:39:48] | EvilGuru: | wagnerrp: Wait until my company starts selling UFO abduction insurance |
| [17:40:13] | EvilGuru: | Upon confirmation of your abduction — via SETI — your family will receive a payout |
| [17:40:18] | sphery: | I like the "bad that the 'wireless quiet zone' only refers to a very narrow band of EM radiation. Hopefully they've also banned TVs, VCRs, microwave ovens, cars, police and fire transmitters and church PA systems." |
| [17:40:26] | sphery: | er, "Too bad" |
| [17:42:59] | EvilGuru: | Sigh, the HDMI 1.3 spec came out in 2006, yet neither my late 2010 monitor or GPU support the high speed feature |
| [17:43:23] | EvilGuru: | Even more annoying considering that dual link DVI ports are being replaced by HDMI ones |
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| [17:45:33] | wagnerrp: | so what? surely no one will ever need more than 1920x1080! |
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| [17:47:10] | kugel_: | Why, we might need as many as 12 computers, in the world.... |
| [17:47:29] | EvilGuru: | I think HDMI will do 1920x1200p60 |
| [17:47:50] | EvilGuru: | But I've found nothing (monitor or GPU) that will do 1440p |
| [17:47:57] | wagnerrp: | not because they want to, just because they are signal compatible with HDMI |
| [17:48:04] | wagnerrp: | erm... DVI |
| [17:48:38] | EvilGuru: | *1440p over HDMI |
| [17:49:13] | wagnerrp: | yeah yeah... i know HDMI 1.3 doubles the bandwidth of SL-DVI |
| [17:49:57] | sphery: | what do you have that's doing 1440p? is this the Apple 2560x1440 monitor? |
| [17:50:12] | wagnerrp: | there are a number of 27" monitors running that resolution |
| [17:50:14] | EvilGuru: | sphery: Dell U2711 |
| [17:50:21] | wagnerrp: | some from apple, some from dell, i think HP has some too |
| [17:50:30] | sphery: | ah, hadn't seen any from the others |
| [17:51:13] | sphery: | so what do you mean by, "But I've found nothing (monitor or GPU) that will do 1440p"? |
| [17:51:29] | EvilGuru: | sphery: 1440p60 over HDMI as opposed to displayport or dual link DVI |
| [17:51:32] | sphery: | it doesn't take a 2560x1440 input? or are you saying it won't do 2560x1440@60Hz |
| [17:51:37] | sphery: | ahh |
| [17:52:02] | sphery: | why do you need hdmi, then? |
| [17:52:09] | sphery: | why not use displayport or dvi? |
| [17:52:21] | EvilGuru: | sphery: One of my cards has one DVI and one HDMI |
| [17:52:24] | wagnerrp: | because theyre replacing DL-DVI ports with HDMI ones |
| [17:52:29] | EvilGuru: | And I have two large screens |
| [17:53:10] | sphery: | well, if you were able to get that nice monitor, shouldn't you be able to get a new video card to go with it? |
| [17:53:45] | sphery: | or are there none that have the right outputs, anymore? |
| [17:53:54] | sphery: | (at least none meaning modern nvidia) |
| [17:54:57] | sphery: | FWIW, I'm a fan of displayport--it's the lesser of 2 evils (where hdmi is the greater) |
| [17:55:29] | wagnerrp: | displayport is evil? |
| [17:55:52] | EvilGuru: | I already use the displayport on one of the screens for plugging my mac in now and then |
| [17:57:47] | sphery: | wagnerrp: well, still supports dpcp, which means it could easily be made to be less useful for FOSS users |
| [17:58:23] | EvilGuru: | sphery: Surely everything will continue to support HDMI-with-broken-HDPC for years to come? |
| [17:59:34] | sphery: | yeah, but breaking the DRM/circumventing the protections put in place by the creators/violating the DMCA/... does not make it a non-evil standard |
| [18:00:01] | sphery: | this is why--even with the existence of the SlySoft software thing--I still believe BluRay is a very big evil |
| [18:00:14] | EvilGuru: | it is no more evil than DVD |
| [18:00:24] | sphery: | dvd is also evil |
| [18:00:28] | sphery: | but bluray is more evil |
| [18:00:31] | EvilGuru: | the only really evil thing is watermarking |
| [18:00:42] | sphery: | because of the fact that they actually make it hard for legitimate users to use it |
| [18:00:59] | wagnerrp: | i see (invisible) watermarking as the only legitimate form of anti-piracy |
| [18:01:03] | sphery: | with DRM updates and key revocation, etc., that requires owners of STB BluRay players to wait for vendors to release updated firmware, etc. |
| [18:01:25] | wagnerrp: | lets the legitimate users do what they want with the content |
| [18:01:40] | wagnerrp: | but lets them track down whoever actually did violate copyright and distribute |
| [18:01:44] | EvilGuru: | wagnerrp: depends, I do not consider recording FTA TV and then sticking it on a USB stick piracy |
| [18:02:02] | wagnerrp: | for your own use? no |
| [18:02:09] | EvilGuru: | but newer watermarking techs are along the lines of "if you detect this watermark and you are not playing a blu-ray then stop" |
| [18:02:10] | wagnerrp: | for uploading to someone else over the internet? yes |
| [18:02:12] | sphery: | therefore, much more evil than DVD--where I can use my DVD player STB and never have to worry about getting home after buying the new Batman movie--after standing in line for 2 of my vacation days--only to find that I can't play the movie for another 2 weeks while I wait for an update |
| [18:02:18] | wagnerrp: | in any case, you cant watermark broadcast video |
| [18:02:32] | wagnerrp: | and you cant economically individually watermark dvds or bluray |
| [18:02:54] | EvilGuru: | wagnerrp: it is not individual, the watermark contains the original form of the content |
| [18:03:03] | sphery: | wagnerrp: and you can't economically individually watermark printers... |
| [18:03:04] | sphery: | oh, wait |
| [18:03:22] | EvilGuru: | then consumer devices will be encouraged to add in code for detecting the watermarks |
| [18:03:45] | wagnerrp: | EvilGuru: are you talking about adding a flag that would cause devices to reject the content? |
| [18:03:57] | wagnerrp: | i.e. macrovision? |
| [18:03:58] | EvilGuru: | wagnerrp: Yep, Sony has already put it on the PS3 |
| [18:04:08] | EvilGuru: | but it is a watermarked flag |
| [18:04:11] | wagnerrp: | ok, i will agree that is evil |
| [18:04:30] | sphery: | http://w2.eff.org/Privacy/printers/docucolor/ |
| [18:04:33] | wagnerrp: | i dont mind its use for tracking |
| [18:04:51] | EvilGuru: | I'm fine with tracking |
| [18:04:53] | wagnerrp: | but what you speak of is an end run around fair use laws from the 80s |
| [18:04:58] | sphery: | Yeah, it could be done at the player level--just like the printer tracking dots |
| [18:05:03] | wagnerrp: | like the DMCA |
| [18:05:22] | EvilGuru: | but the watermark is added when the disc is pressed or content broadcast |
| [18:05:36] | EvilGuru: | it is not unique, just there to allow devices to switch off and reject content when they detect it |
| [18:06:16] | sphery: | though I guess with people having an ability to read directly off the disc, they could circumvent it... |
| [18:06:30] | sphery: | unless it's done on the drives |
| [18:06:36] | sphery: | but too late for that, probably |
| [18:06:46] | sphery: | we'll get it with uv-ray |
| [18:06:46] | EvilGuru: | it will be in the decoded audio/video |
| [18:06:55] | sphery: | or maybe x-ray |
| [18:07:02] | EvilGuru: | but you've still got to figure out how to find the watermark and then remove it |
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| [18:14:27] | NickHu: | Hey guys, any idea why Myth isn't stopping recordings on time? |
| [18:14:32] | NickHu: | It always bleeds about 10 minutes |
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| [18:22:19] | wagnerrp: | do you have additional padding? |
| [18:22:26] | wagnerrp: | are you having excessively long scheduler runs? |
| [18:22:40] | wagnerrp: | was your machine IO deadlocked for some considerable amount of time? |
| [18:29:30] | sphery: | do you have ntp running (and working properly) on all mythtv hosts? |
| [18:30:28] | sphery: | do you see a warning in the logs saying, "Warning! Time difference between the master backend and this system is 600 seconds." |
| [18:31:13] | sphery: | (actually, at 300s, it should refuse to start... so maybe it was off by <300 when it was started, but is now off by 600) |
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| [18:32:52] | NickHu: | wagnerrp: Nope, it was working fine |
| [18:33:17] | NickHu: | Logs look normal, except the recording finishes about 13 minutes late |
| [18:33:21] | NickHu: | Then the next recording starts |
| [18:33:59] | sphery: | so next recording is starting 13min late, too? |
| [18:35:11] | sphery: | wagnerrp: fwiw, though, I don't think the scheduler run times had anything to do with the problems that person (was it nu tron?) was having with 2-min late start... He just started a new database, and it started recording on time--but with the same scheduler run times. |
| [18:35:28] | sphery: | and it's been /very/ common for scheduler run times to top 6min for some users |
| [18:36:55] | sphery: | NickHu anyway, if one recording ends 13min late and another begins 13min late, but all recordings are the proper length (just offset), it sounds a lot like local clock issues |
| [18:39:36] | NickHu: | sphery: They're not proper length though |
| [18:39:47] | NickHu: | It seems to only do it if I schedule two consecutive programs on the same channel |
| [18:40:04] | NickHu: | (I.e. back-to-back sitcoms on E4) |
| [18:40:06] | sphery: | then I need you to explain what "it" it's doing |
| [18:40:16] | sphery: | I know one ends 13min late and one starts 13min late |
| [18:40:17] | NickHu: | Logdumps? |
| [18:40:20] | sphery: | but when did they start |
| [18:40:24] | sphery: | when did they end |
| [18:40:39] | NickHu: | One started 6:00 on time |
| [18:40:50] | NickHu: | Ended 6:43, 13 minutes late |
| [18:41:04] | NickHu: | The other started right after, ended at 7:02, two minutes late |
| [18:41:20] | sphery: | remote backend or master backend? |
| [18:42:01] | sphery: | EIT? |
| [18:44:41] | NickHu: | Everything's completely local |
| [18:44:44] | NickHu: | And XMLTV |
| [18:45:40] | sphery: | multiple recording schedules--with the duplicates having an end late and negative start early? |
| [18:46:08] | sphery: | (possibly being override rules--which may have disappeared now that the recording completed) |
| [18:46:22] | NickHu: | They were the only two scheduled recordings |
| [18:46:40] | sphery: | meaning you have only 2 recording rules in the entire system? |
| [18:46:59] | sphery: | I'm saying multile recording rules for the same show |
| [18:47:08] | sphery: | (s) |
| [18:47:23] | NickHu: | They're single |
| [18:47:23] | sphery: | that's the only way to configure mythtv to do what it did |
| [18:47:37] | sphery: | so unless something outside of mythtv is messing with the flow of time... |
| [18:47:49] | sphery: | how many recording rules do you have total |
| [18:48:42] | sphery: | anyway, I'm guessing I'd need a --printsched from before the recordings and log files showing the recordings to tell you what happened |
| [18:49:30] | sphery: | you could check out the recordid of the recordings and see if they're referencing the recording rule you expect to have recorded them |
| [18:49:35] | sphery: | if not, it was a duplicate rule |
| [18:49:45] | sphery: | with some start/end time mods |
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| [19:00:12] | FabriceMG: | 0.25, How does the backend determine which script to use? ( movie/TVserie) |
| [19:02:06] | dekarl: | If the rule is already connected then it looks at season/episode. 0/0 => movie, */* => series |
| [19:03:00] | dekarl: | if it's not then it's tricky guesswork |
| [19:04:10] | FabriceMG: | hoho |
| [19:05:07] | FabriceMG: | tossing |
| [19:08:58] | dekarl: | I think it was written down somewhere but I can't google it right now :( |
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| [19:25:35] | BadHaggis: | Hello, is this thing on? :) |
| [19:26:48] | dekarl: | BadHaggis, ohh, you come via IPv6, very much nice |
| [19:28:06] | BadHaggis: | Tax dollars at work :) |
| [19:29:02] | BadHaggis: | Anyway, I'm looking at cutting out cable/satellite and building an HTPC with a TV tuner to run off an antenna |
| [19:30:21] | BadHaggis: | and I want it to do some light DVR work so I don't miss my favorite shows, but I'm worried that if I'm doing something else on the HTPC like watching Netflix/Boxee or playing a game that it might miss recording |
| [19:30:34] | BadHaggis: | or mess up the quality |
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| [19:35:56] | dekarl: | FabriceMG, you'll likely have to read the commit logs... e.g. https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/712bc . . . 5432d227e65a or https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commits/mast . . . mythmetadata |
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| [19:41:23] | FabriceMG: | thx dekarl |
| [19:46:22] | wagnerrp: | dekarl: and its a real IPv6 address, not like the manyu of us running tunnels |
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| [19:48:37] | wagnerrp: | to be honest, ipv6 on freenode sucks |
| [19:48:44] | wagnerrp: | their ipv6 server keeps dropping offline |
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| [20:21:06] | wagnerrp: | sphery: just when we thought it was safe to come out... http://sourceforge.net/p/skeinbash/code/ci/ed . . . n?force=True |
| [20:21:20] | wagnerrp: | a 512-bit encryption algorithm, implemented in bash |
| [20:22:28] | sphery: | wow |
| [20:23:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ooh, nice. ;-) D'oh! |
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| [20:24:19] | wagnerrp: | my bad, crypto hash, not encryption |
| [20:24:43] | wagnerrp: | to no surprise hashing its own 10KB contents takes several minutes, and 150MB of memory |
| [20:25:20] | sphery: | but I heard Skein was 6.1cycles per byte |
| [20:26:31] | sphery: | guess in bash it's maybe 6.1 gigacycles per byte |
| [20:26:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | Hehehe... |
| [20:27:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | Maybe that's from the guy that was replacing myth with a bash script? ;-) |
| [20:27:51] | wagnerrp: | perl script |
| [20:28:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | ah, close, but no cigar. D'oh! |
| [20:30:37] | sphery: | right, you replace MythVideo with a bash script and MythTV with a Perl script, of course |
| [20:30:55] | sphery: | "Finally. Now I'm no longer /forced/ to use MythVideo." |
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| [21:23:26] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, something very different between master and 0.24-fixes... -> mapped: 536816K writeable/private: 113160K shared: 0K |
| [21:23:35] | sphery: | that was immediately after start |
| [21:24:21] | sphery: | so it seems it's gone from about 250MB mapped to >500MB |
| [21:27:06] | sphery: | wagnerrp: ooops... forgot a critical piece--that 250MB was my remote backend. When I look at my master backend (-fixes version), I get: mapped: 743388K writeable/private: 274464K shared: 0K |
| [21:27:38] | sphery: | so that's using 750MB, so 536MB in master (unstable/development) master backend seems good |
| [21:28:04] | sphery: | I had no idea that the master backend used that much more |
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| [21:29:34] | sphery: | I know remote backends disable scheduler and autoexpire and such, but they're still using a ton of memory compared to mythjobqueue |
| [21:30:08] | sphery: | I just didn't know it was that much less than the master |
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| [22:22:07] | wagnerrp: | stuartm: did you know you have two different wiki accounts? |
| [22:23:10] | wagnerrp: | i was curious as to just how many users had signed up for the wiki without making a single edit |
| [22:23:23] | wagnerrp: | and there right at the bottom was user number 9, 'Stuartmorgan' |
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| [22:25:30] | stuartm: | hmm, do we know what email is associated with that? I don't remember creating that account – although I might have done it way back when we first enabled email validation and I was testing it |
| [22:26:07] | wagnerrp: | your tase address |
| [22:26:34] | stuartm: | huh, ok, that can be deleted I guess |
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| [22:26:40] | wagnerrp: | we have some 15.5K users (out of 18.7K) who have never made a single edit |
| [22:26:46] | wagnerrp: | well, you cant delete users, only block them |
| [22:27:32] | wagnerrp: | and out of those, some 6K users are clearly autogenerated, with a 10 character long random name, tied to a mail.ru or list.ru address |
| [22:27:50] | stuartm: | heh, ok, well I suppose it serves the purpose of preventing someone else from masquerading as me |
| [22:27:52] | wagnerrp: | and another 3600 with a 6 character long random name, and no email |
| [22:28:49] | wagnerrp: | its a disappointingly small pool of real wiki users, considering there are so many accounts |
| [22:29:32] | stuartm: | I thought we had a setting or mod which would delete completely unused accounts after a fixed number of days |
| [22:29:48] | wagnerrp: | although i dont understand why some bot would sit there and generate thousands of spam accounts, only to not use a single one |
| [22:29:56] | stuartm: | if it was a mod then it probably got lost in one of the upgrades/reinstalls |
| [22:30:22] | wagnerrp: | it would be a very unofficial mod |
| [22:30:39] | wagnerrp: | deleting accounts is considered "bad" |
| [22:30:54] | wagnerrp: | although i suppose if they never made any changes, there wouldnt be much harm to it |
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| [22:31:27] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: right, just the accounts which had never made a single edit after 60 days or whatever |
| [22:31:53] | wagnerrp: | i only found one such mod on mediawiki, and that involved manual transfer of all edits from one account to the other |
| [22:32:06] | wagnerrp: | i suppose something like that would be good to allow reuse of unused names? |
| [22:32:22] | stuartm: | are those 6k accounts all confirmed? |
| [22:33:26] | stuartm: | wagnerrp: aye, it would be good for that, it's a similar sort of policy enforced here at Freenode to prevent username exhaustion because someone registered ten years ago and never came back |
| [22:38:48] | stuartm: | anyway, it's kinda moot, I can't remember what plugin it was |
| [22:39:57] | stuartm: | it probably was a plugin, I installed two or three originally to deal with spam and spam-related issues such as bot created accounts |
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| [22:42:45] | wagnerrp: | none of those 9.6K accounts were authenticated |
| [22:42:52] | wagnerrp: | probably made prior to us requiring it |
| [22:43:03] | wagnerrp: | theyre all several years old |
| [22:44:19] | stuartm: | hmm, that seems to rule out the possibility that we ever had an unused account deleting plugin :) |
| [22:45:21] | stuartm: | I must be thinking of something else, one of the forums I managed way back in the day perhaps |
| [22:47:18] | wagnerrp: | the email-less block is in the 4–7K block |
| [22:47:24] | wagnerrp: | shortly after i registered |
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| [22:52:23] | skd5aner: | sphery: thought you might be interested in something I stumbled on given our DNS conversation the other day – http://code.google.com/p/namebench/ |
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| [22:55:35] | wagnerrp: | !url logs |
| [22:55:35] | MythLogBot: | logs: http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/1 |
| [22:57:02] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: well you know that program is flawed... to /ever/ recommend the roadrunner dns servers for anything |
| [22:57:53] | skd5aner: | well, if you are only basing on ping times... then other criteria wouldn't be counted right? |
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| [22:58:11] | wagnerrp: | no, but thats all you need |
| [22:58:38] | wagnerrp: | i have a shorter ping to my home than to the business RR servers here |
| [22:58:39] | skd5aner: | I mean... I wouldn't say "flawed" as much as I would say "working as designed – feature request without a patch, patches welcome" ;) |
| [22:59:35] | wagnerrp: | well thats simple, if roadrunner shows up as a winner, laugh it off and choose the next one |
| [22:59:44] | skd5aner: | yea, exactly |
| [23:00:02] | wagnerrp: | "whats this one that looks really close up here?" "oh, thats garbage data, you dont want that one" |
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| [23:33:39] | sphery: | skd5aner: pretty cool... I had seen one similar to that, but it disappeared (it polled and reported to an upstream site) |
| [23:34:03] | sphery: | reporting being a report of response times for given servers |
| [23:34:08] | skd5aner: | was it DNSBench? |
| [23:35:24] | sphery: | I was thinking it was something like dnsserverlist.org or somesuch |
| [23:36:36] | skd5aner: | ah, just ran across that name in a search when I found namebench |
| [23:37:03] | sphery: | yeah, whatever it was, the site is completely gone |
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| [23:39:11] | skd5aner: | people can share their namebench results – they go here – http://namebench.appspot.com/ |
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