Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, September 3rd, 2011, 00:02 UTC

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dkeith:

http://www.xkcd.com/875/

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wagnerrp:

skd5aner: git describe

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madsara:

Hey any good links on what users have for their mythtv boxes?

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wagnerrp:

what specifically are you looking for?

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madsara:

Just to see what people are doing, quite honestly.

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madsara:

What kind of hardware, etc.

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wagnerrp:

i mean... you design your box around your use scenario

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wagnerrp:

how do you want to use mythtv

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madsara:

Yeah, I just want to see what people have documented...

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madsara:

Like hobbyist photos.

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madsara:

Or links of tubgirl if all else fails.

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wagnerrp:

some people have shots of their machines on their wiki user profiles

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wagnerrp:

but to be honest, most computer cases, and even most HTPC cases are nothing fancy to look at

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wagnerrp:

some people use little ION systems, others use mac minis, some use gaudy home theater cases, while others simply give up and have a big PC next to their tv

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wagnerrp:

all of them look horribly out of place in their environment

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wagnerrp:

a small handful actually find cases that look decent, discretely hidden among other AV gear

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wagnerrp:

and the rest of us either hide boxes behind entertainment centers, on the opposite side of walls, on a shelf in the basement below, mounted to the inside of a cabinet, or anywhere to get ugly computer parts out of view

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wagnerrp:

me personally, ive got a big double-wide pedestal server in the basement for a backend

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wagnerrp:

and then two beige desktops to drive frontends

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wagnerrp:

one on some wire shelves directly beneath one tv, one floor down

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wagnerrp:

the other behind a big wooden entertainment center

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wagnerrp:

so back to the original question

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wagnerrp:

looking at other people's installations doesnt really get you anything, unless youre bored

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wagnerrp:

figure out what you want to record, how many and what kind of tvs you want to drive

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wagnerrp:

and then we can go from there recommending what kind of hardware to look into

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dewman:

I have a giant dl580 in the basement for my backend...LOL

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dewman:

a bit overkill, but it was cheap.

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wagnerrp:

yeouch

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dewman:

well considering the whole house is electric (heat,water,well) whats another 20 bucks a month..

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wagnerrp:

of course you do realize you could get better performance with a single $100 AMD chip, right?

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wagnerrp:

four chips, 165W TDP each

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wagnerrp:

didnt know they made anything that ran that hot

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dewman:

yeah its a 4 cpu....

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dewman:

so thats 660w

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wagnerrp:

presumably youre using a heatpump rather than a resistance heater

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dewman:

uhh...no...

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wagnerrp:

no?

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dewman:

baseboards in each room

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wagnerrp:

so hot water heat?

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dewman:

electric bill in december runs 6–7 bills

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dewman:

electric

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dewman:

water

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dewman:

we do have a fireplace, but its pretty much worthless...

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dewman:

you have to burn 60 pounds of wood each day to get the temp to 65–70

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wagnerrp:

where do you live?

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dewman:

MI

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dewman:

the tundra..

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dewman:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

is this just a very old house that you dont have a heatpump and central air?

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[R]:

growing up in nj, we dindt have central air

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dewman:

thats exactly it.....The first upgrade is windows.... then the fireplace, then central air..

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dewman:

it was 92 today.... all the kids were running around in just huggies..

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[R]:

haha

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dewman:

it felt like we were living in saint louis again....

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: looks like that SDR thing is offline

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trux:

so, rebuilt the box with gentoo...and lirc with devinput on pvr-250 works, irw sees all button presses, but mythtv only reacts to the 4-directions. Hard to use without "enter/escape". What am I missing ?

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wagnerrp:

the names for the other commands have changed, and need to be updated in your lircrc?

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trux:

names on mythtv side ? or lirc...I updated lircrc

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wagnerrp:

if they work in irw, they will work in mythtv

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wagnerrp:

mythtv simply needs to be informed of those names, through the lircrc

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wagnerrp:

specifically what file did you edit?

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wagnerrp:

path and all

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trux:

.lircrc -> .mythtv/lircrc

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wagnerrp:

thats ~/.mythtv/lircrc ?

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trux:

yes

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trux:

LIRC: Successfully initialized 'localhost:8765' using '/home/myth/.mythtv/lircrc' config

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: aww, sucky

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Beirdo:

I was looking forward to scanning the waves late at night again

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wagnerrp:

there are others available, but nothing like the range that one provides

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Beirdo:

yeah, that was by far the best example

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Beirdo:

I even pulled a weather fax off it last night :)

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wagnerrp:

all the other ones are so noisy too

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Beirdo:

yup

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trux:

thanks for the sanity check, wagnerrp

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Beirdo:

long weekends FTW

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: is there a reason a lot of these seem to be mirrors about the center range?

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Beirdo:

it could be they are just that, maybe they didn't set it up right?

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wagnerrp:

i was wondering it it were an artifact of some type of receiver

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Beirdo:

i.e. the second half may just be the alias

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Beirdo:

I didn't really look into it

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Beirdo:

http://home.slepp.ca:8901/

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Beirdo:

hah

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Beirdo:

I know him... he's the guy who runs pastebin.ca

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Beirdo:

used to be in the #asterisk channel a lot, and maybe here too

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wagnerrp:

oh? ever question him as to why its down all the time?

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Beirdo:

heh, haven't seen him around for a while

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Beirdo:

hmmm, his text says he's tuned to 14MHz band... but it's on the 7MHz band

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wagnerrp:

anyway, i assume thats you at 67.40.196...?

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Beirdo:

and not down to 7Mhz itself. crud

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Beirdo:

I think so

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Beirdo:

there

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wagnerrp:

you see how theres the dead zone in the center

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wagnerrp:

and signals are mirrored across it

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Beirdo:

put in my ham callsign (have no radios)

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** wagnerrp slaps VA3HGJ around a bit **

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Beirdo:

yeah, not completely mirrored though

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Beirdo:

I'm on an active SSB convo

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Beirdo:

quite faint though

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Beirdo:

7175kHz USB or thereabouts

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wagnerrp:

scroll down

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Beirdo:

to what?

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wagnerrp:

to that bar at the bottom of the page that tells you were all connected users are listening at

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Beirdo:

ah yeah

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wagnerrp:

so is logging into irc as 'sysadmin' any better than logging in as 'root'?

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Beirdo:

hehe, nope

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Beirdo:

listening to a radio in Renton now

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Beirdo:

it's like having my own ham radio, but no transmitter :)

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wagnerrp:

and a pretty poor set of tuning equipment

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Beirdo:

VE7FAI... from around Vancouver... talking to someone in the US

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Beirdo:

this is pretty good for the band.

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Beirdo:

heh, this one's 75miles south of Columbia, Missouri

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Beirdo:

I'd still rather have the other site up so I can listen to some shortwave rather than ham band

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jman:

hello, i was wondering if I could get some help with mythtv. The frontend does not recognise the tv card after startup until I run the mythtv-setup. Is this due to the backend starting before the tv card has been detected?

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wagnerrp:

the frontend never touches the tv card anyway

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wagnerrp:

the backend handles recordings, the frontend handles playback

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wagnerrp:

there are some known issues with how upstart manages init

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jman:

so, why would I need to start the setup to enable tv viewing?

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wagnerrp:

in that the backend is started before various drivers are loaded, or before the network comes up

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wagnerrp:

jman: no clue, considering mythtv-setup operates completely independently front the backend

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wagnerrp:

unless you tell it to close the backend when it warns about it

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wagnerrp:

s/front/from/

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Beirdo:

wagnerrp: seems this weekend is a DX contest on the ham bands

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wagnerrp:

DX?

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wagnerrp:

distance transmit?

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Beirdo:

yeah, they try to accumulate as many long distance calls as they can

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Beirdo:

and swap cards for each conversation

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Beirdo:

it's a ham thing :)

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wagnerrp:

im a bacon/pulled pork person myself

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[R]:

lol

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[R]:

i dont get bacon

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[R]:

its just fat

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Beirdo:

no it isnt

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Beirdo:

it's fat AND salt

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Beirdo:

get it right

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[R]:

lol

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wagnerrp:

theres no added fat

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Beirdo:

and the smoke flavor. have to have that

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wagnerrp:

i guess that means added sugar and salt?

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Beirdo:

yep.

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k-man:

how can you not get bacon? even vegetarians eat bacon

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wagnerrp:

oh?

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Beirdo:

mmmm, bacon

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wagnerrp:

like... tofubacon?

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wagnerrp:

is there such an atrocity?

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wagnerrp:

faken... wow

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k-man:

bacon is like the gateway drug for vegetarians

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wagnerrp:

vegetarians should have their canines and incisors removed

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wagnerrp:

clearly they have no use for them

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k-man:

http://homemadebacon.wordpress.com/2010/04/12 . . . -lamb-bacon/

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wagnerrp:

have you ever seen how they make turkey bacon?

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wagnerrp:

its... disturbing

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k-man:

no and I don't want to

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k-man:

there is no such thing as bacon turkey in australia

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k-man:

or at least, there shouldn't be

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wagnerrp:

its not so much turkey, as reconstituted turkey food product

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Beirdo:

gimme the real thing, thanks

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Beirdo:

slab of cured pork side. Thanks

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k-man:

wagnerrp, which part of "i don't want to" didn't you understand? :)

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wagnerrp:

its as much turkey as cheese wiz is cheese

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Beirdo:

or whiz

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k-man:

having seen that lamb bacon recipe, I think it warrants researching the real thing and giving it a go

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wagnerrp:

gah!

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** wagnerrp is an idoit **

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wagnerrp:

ive been fiddling with the comparison operators in the python bindings

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wagnerrp:

and have been testing them for about the last 10 minutes

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Beirdo:

forgot to save the file?

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wagnerrp:

i thought they were broken because 'FOX19 First Weather at 4' is less than 'Justified'

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Beirdo:

ummm

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wagnerrp:

for some reason, i got it in my head that higher number means lower

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Beirdo:

you must be using golf sort

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wagnerrp:

something like that

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wagnerrp:

Captain_Murdoch: have you done anything further with the command line parser and utility app?

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wagnerrp:

ive got these changes to support grouping and dependence sitting here still, itching to commit

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wagnerrp:

i havent really looked at them since posting the patches... the mechanism is still 'dirty' to my eyes, but i cant think of a better way to manage it

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wagnerrp:

Beirdo: did you ever see that stuff?

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Beirdo:

oooh, I remember that, but no, never did look at the patches

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Beirdo:

I think I was too buried in trying to get 'blows to work

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wagnerrp:

blows?

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wagnerrp:

oh, windows

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Beirdo:

might be something to look at tomorrow though

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wagnerrp:

http://www.wagnerrp.com/files/MythTV/commandlineparser/

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wagnerrp:

full copies of the cpp and header, plus an example of how to use it for mythfilldatabase

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Beirdo:

cool

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wagnerrp:

makes stuff like this... http://pastebin.com/kZshqqKZ

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Beirdo:

nice

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wagnerrp:

http://pastebin.com/kNUTECmJ

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Beirdo:

I'll try to look over it on the weekend. Likely have some ideas in there somewhere

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wagnerrp:

hahaha, i forgot i put this comment in there

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wagnerrp:

534: // we dont care about children

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Beirdo:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

the parent doesnt care if a child option has been set or not

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wagnerrp:

conversely, the child option requires one of the parents has been set

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wagnerrp:

anyway, you can define something as a parent, child, required, or blocking, of another option

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wagnerrp:

and the definitions are done using strings

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Beirdo:

neat

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Beirdo:

that should take a pile of the odd logic outta the mainlines

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wagnerrp:

reconciled after everything has been configured, just prior to parsing

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wagnerrp:

so you can say something blocks something else that hasnt been defined yet

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wagnerrp:

i think much of the code dealing with storage of links, and reconciling them afterwards, is 'dirty'

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wagnerrp:

but i honestly dont know of a better way to handle it

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wagnerrp:

interesting

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wagnerrp:

some changes got pulled in since i wrote this

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wagnerrp:

and git had absolutely no idea where to put it

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wagnerrp:

do it got it completely wrong

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wagnerrp:

so

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jason1969:

Stupid question: I have two dual tuner cards, do I have to re-scan every card for channels every time the local transmitter's channels change? Or does scanning one update all of them? Is there a way of scanning from the command line?

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jason1969:

Oh and should I shutdown the backend before I scan or not?

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wagnerrp:

no, yes, no, yes

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wagnerrp:

you scan once per source

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wagnerrp:

if your tuners are all using the same source, you only need to scan once

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wagnerrp:

if you set each of your four tuners up with its own source, reconfigure so theyre only using the one source

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wagnerrp:

there /is/ some form of command line scanner built into mythtv-setup, but nobody really uses it

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wagnerrp:

and i dont really know what it does

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wagnerrp:

the backend locks your digital tuner cards while ever it is running

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wagnerrp:

you must shut it down so mythtv-setup can access your tuner cards

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wagnerrp:

mythtv-setup will warn you as such if it detects mythbackend running

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jason1969:

ic. OK what are "unused transports" ?

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wagnerrp:

in digital television, a "transport" is the actual broadcast

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wagnerrp:

and each broadcast stream can carry multiple audio, video, and data channels

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wagnerrp:

an unused transport means there used to be something there, but mythtv has detected all of those channels have moved to a different transport

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jason1969:

After scanning I get "found 4 unused transports" (Delete|Set to Invisible|Ignore) what is the correct action?

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wagnerrp:

just set invisible

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jason1969:

Thanks!!

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wagnerrp:

either that, or 'transport' refers to 'transport stream', which is actually one audio/video channel

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wagnerrp:

unused would mean a channel descriptor, with no streams contained within

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wagnerrp:

just a tag with no actual data

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wagnerrp:

in either case, it should be set to invisible

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jason1969:

Can I assume "Conflicting DVB channels" are transmission from another mast with the same channelID?

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wagnerrp:

likely

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jason1969:

so ignoring them is also the correct thing to do unless that signal is better

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wagnerrp:

invisible, yes

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jason1969:

hm I said ignore, probably should have done invisible. I'll redo, thanks again.

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trumee_:

i am trying to setup lirc (0.8.7) with kernel 2.6.39 (on gentoo). irw is responding to the keypresses but mythfrontend isnt.

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wagnerrp:

why not lirc 0.9.0?

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trumee:

0.8.7 seems to be the stable version on gentoo

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wagnerrp:

only because 0.9.0 is a significant break in setup

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wagnerrp:

so they dont want people to inadvertently upgrade

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wagnerrp:

and not understand the consequences

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trumee:

wagnerrp: so 0.9.0 will work with mythfrontend/devinput?

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wagnerrp:

well so should 0.8.7

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wagnerrp:

if irw is picking up the keypresses

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wagnerrp:

then your lircrc is wrong

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trumee:

wagnerrp: right so i better stick with 0.8.7 then

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wagnerrp:

or mythtv is pointed at the wrong device

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trumee:

wagnerrp: 2011-09–03 16:14:40.723 LIRC: Successfully initialized '/dev/lircd' using '/home/xx/.mythtv/lircrc' config

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trumee:

wagnerrp: that is the mythfrontend log

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wagnerrp:

and the codes in lircrc match those being spit out by irw?

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trumee:

wagnerrp: no!

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wagnerrp:

well then, theres your problem

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trumee:

wagnerrp: thanks.

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trumee:

wagnerrp: is there any place i can get the devinput keymap for mceusb?

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wagnerrp:

might search the mailing list

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wagnerrp:

there have been many discussions of such over the past few months

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trumee:

wagnerrp: cheers

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trumee:

wagnerrp: got it. /usr/src/linux/drivers/media/rc/keymaps/rc-rc6-mce.c

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nidhoegger:

hi, i got a bluray drive and wanted to try playback using mythtv. i used dumphd like described in the wiki and got the decrypted data on the disc

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nidhoegger:

how exactly do i play that now?

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wagnerrp:

you have the decrypted m2ts or BDMV?

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nidhoegger:

yes

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wagnerrp:

i mean which one did you want to use

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nidhoegger:

i have dumped the whole BD, i got the BDMV folder on my HDD now

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wagnerrp:

so just make it ./Movie Title/BDMV/<video files>

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wagnerrp:

and scan for new content

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nidhoegger:

in mythvideo?

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wagnerrp:

you need to use that path in your filesystem

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wagnerrp:

and then scan for content in mythvideo

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nidhoegger:

thanks!

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nidhoegger:

another question: is it possible to play the Disc directly without dumping?

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wagnerrp:

if it only uses AACS, and you have configured libaacs to be able to handle that disk

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nidhoegger:

ive configured it and created the keydb file

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nidhoegger:

do i start it via the DVD button or what?

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wagnerrp:

does the keydb specifically contain the individual or group keep for that disc?

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wagnerrp:

s/keep/key/

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nidhoegger:

Volume Unique Key

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Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, I have a working mythutil binary with a bunch of commands implemented such as clearcache, event, resched, scanvideos, setverbose, setloglevel, systemevent, copyfile, queuejob, gencutlist, getcutlist, setcutlist, clearcutlist, getskiplist, setskiplist, clearskiplist, and message and printtemplate from mythmessage.

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Captain_Murdoch:

sorry for the delay, I've been away for a few days and just skimmed scrollback...

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wagnerrp:

no worry, it was just last night

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Captain_Murdoch:

I can probably get it in this week. I knocked out most of the easy ones I think. moving some other commands may mean moving certain functions into libs so it's a tradeoff on those and may not be worth it. I haven't auditted all binaries though to see if anything else can be moved..

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wagnerrp:

i think you misunderstand what i was asking

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wagnerrp:

i was just talking about the command line parser, and had mentioned mythutil because there were features you wanted added to the parser to use in it

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wagnerrp:

i was just wondering if you had looked at the changes i posted a couple weeks back or not

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wagnerrp:

and if you had, did they work, were there any problems, any suggestions, etc...

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wagnerrp:

Captain_Murdoch: specifically, im referring to the grouping functions

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wagnerrp:

internally, theres a lot different

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wagnerrp:

externally, you would just do something like add(...)->SetGroup("Cutlist")

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wagnerrp:

instead of the normal add

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wagnerrp:

theres also SetParentOf, SetChildOf, SetRequires, and SetBlocks

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Captain_Murdoch:

I haven't actually run your code, but did look at it when you posted the link. I could install the patch here and give it some testing and see if there are any other ideas I have. I could easily modify my code to use the grouping code if it was available. It would be nice if that support was in. that way it would show that --chanid and --starttime are required for --queuejob, etc..

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Captain_Murdoch:

can you repost the link, I lost it in the power outage during the hurricane last weekend.

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Captain_Murdoch:

I'll try to get it applied tonight or tomorrow and play with it a little while.

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Seeker`:

Has anyone ever considered changing Arclight so that the program guide uses more than half the screen? There is a vast area of nothingness atm

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** sphery thinks that the author of Arclight likes the design the way it is **

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Seeker`:

its a great theme, apart from the fact that my girlfriend dislikes the EPG being squashed into the right hand corner

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sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: BTW, wagnerrp's comment (and link to patch) were at http://irc.mythtv.org/ircLog/channel/4/2011-08-16:17:40:25

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wagnerrp:

Captain_Murdoch: im probably going to look it over once more and submit it later today

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wagnerrp:

externally, its a drop in replacement

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wagnerrp:

the various users only need to modify things if they want the new capabilities

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Ankhwatcher:

Hi, I'm thinking of setting up MythTV to watch freesat on. Will this card work with MythTV? http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B002GIPK6I . . . GQI2TM3GLHN9

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Ankhwatcher:

It is a TBS DVB-S2 High Definition Digital Satellite Tuner PCI Card HD (DVB-S2/DVB-S) Receiver – PCI

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wagnerrp:

likely not, since mythtv only supports a handful of cards directly

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wagnerrp:

what it DOES support is the Linux DVB API

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wagnerrp:

and through that, all the cards that are supported by Linux drivers that expose that interface

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wagnerrp:

!url tuners

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MythLogBot:

tuners: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardwar . . . _Information

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Ankhwatcher:

I know myth works with the Hauppage cards, but they cost about twice as much

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wagnerrp:

that project handles tuners

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wagnerrp:

so if they provide a driver for that tuner, more than likely MythTV can use it

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wagnerrp:

MythTV doesnt support the digital hauppauge tuners either

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wagnerrp:

they simply support the API

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wagnerrp:

and the linuxtv project supplies drivers for those cards that also support the API

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Ankhsis:

Sorry about that, my internet connection is having a thing

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Ankhsis:

TBS provide linux drivers: http://www.tbsdtv.com/english/Download.html

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wagnerrp:

if they provide linux drivers that use the standard DVB api, they youre golden

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wagnerrp:

s/they/then/

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dashs:

Ive hosed my db access. Access is only possible on the master backend via localhost; where is a good tutorial for making the db accessible from the lan?

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wagnerrp:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html

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dashs:

thank you

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dashs:

I did some such as given there, but it failed to work — I have changed the bind-address to 192.168.1.7 (local ip for master). Must I clear the GRANTs first?

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wagnerrp:

no, you can add as many as you want

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dashs:

ok

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dashs:

Thank you again wagnerrp.

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jhp:

I'm currently using mythtv to record MPEG2 multicast IPTV signals that I have on my FTTH connection. But their is a change that they will start encoding this, or that I have to move to a different profider that encodes everything.

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jhp:

Can MythTV handle this and decode the streams while recording?

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wagnerrp:

decode... decrypt?

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jhp:

Do I need some special hardware to be able to do this?

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jhp:

decrypt indeed.

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wagnerrp:

mythtv does not do decryption

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wagnerrp:

since the ISP inherently has control over who can access what over multicast

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wagnerrp:

there is no need for encryption to manage conditional access

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wagnerrp:

they simply regulate who is allowed to join what multicast address

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wagnerrp:

if they are implementing encryption, that means they want to implement a DRM scheme

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wagnerrp:

which mythtv cannot enforce, and thus mythtv cannot use

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wagnerrp:

youre likely going to have to get an STB, and do analog capture from it

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wagnerrp:

or... petition your ISP to not do so

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wagnerrp:

(for whatever good that might accomplish)

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jhp:

What I have heard till now is that they have to implement a DRM scheme because otherwise they are not allowed to broadcast it.

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sphery:

you can't "snoop" on multicast traffic in promiscuous mode if you're not joined on the multicast address?

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wagnerrp:

being able to snoop in promiscuous mode means the traffic is otherwise being sent to your router

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wagnerrp:

surely they dont give him a multi-gigabit router actually capable of handling all that traffic

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sphery:

that makes sense

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sphery:

I was just wondering how multicast works--since I've never used it more than just for UPnP announcements, etc.

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wagnerrp:

no, theres got to be some mechanism on their end to manage how many and what multicast addresses youre allowed to join

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jhp:

Then I am fucked.

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sphery:

language, please

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sphery:

jhp: no, it just means you have to play by your provider's rules--get one of their set-top boxes and output to an analog encoder

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sphery:

(or get 4 of their STBs and output to 4 analog encoders or ...)

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jhp:

But then you have to be able to tell the STB from MythTV that they have to switch channels on the correct moment.

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sphery:

just like thousands of MythTV users' systems do every day

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sphery:

LIRC (Linux Infrared Remote Control) can be used to send IR signals to the STB(s) based on guide data provided by your listings provider

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wagnerrp:

sphery: basically, you need multicast aware hardware through the whole chain

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wagnerrp:

the PC or STB tells the router it wants to join the multicast group (address/port)

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wagnerrp:

the router tells the upstream hardware it wants to join

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wagnerrp:

and so on up the group

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wagnerrp:

all they have to do is deny, and that deny gets passed all the way back to the source

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sphery:

interesting... makes sense, too--since video would be a huge amount of bandwidth, it can't really go out to everyone

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wagnerrp:

well it can go out to everyone

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wagnerrp:

its just a single multicast stream going out to everyone

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wagnerrp:

your router gets the one stream it requests

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wagnerrp:

and then it forwards that stream on to each device in its network that requested it

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sphery:

no, it can't go out to everyone or there would be no bandwidth left

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wagnerrp:

as opposed to each device getting its own independent copy of that stream

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wagnerrp:

its like a switched cable network

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sphery:

it can go to everyone subscribed, but I'm agreeing that it would have to work the way you describe or they couldn't fit enough channels on the links

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wagnerrp:

only the channels being actively used are sent

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sphery:

let alone leave bandwidth available for actually using the 'net

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sphery:

right

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sphery:

I understand

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trumee:

i have a weird issue on my BE/FE. I have a few directories with VIDEO_TS. On a seperate FE in mythvideo i see the videos listed directly. On the BE/FE, mythvideo is showing these VIDEO_TS movies in directorys.

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trumee:

Hope i was clear :p

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trumee:

I have few movies in the format movie1/VIDEO_TS, movie2/VIDEO_TS etc.

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trumee:

On a separate FE i am getting the desired behaviour. In mythvideo i can listings Movie1, Movie2 etc

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trumee:

However on the common BE/FE, I see 2 level directories.

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trumee:

has there been a change on how VIDEO_TS folders are shown?

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Seeker`:

trumee: no idea if i'm talking rubbish, but do you have "browse mode" enabled on your FE/BE?

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trumee:

Seeker`: yes

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Seeker`:

trumee: tried disabling it?

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trumee:

Seeker`: it makes it uglier

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trumee:

Seeker`: i get two copies of the same movie

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trumee:

Seeker`: i was wrong. With browse mode disabled, i get duplicates of ISO movies, VIDEO_TS movies display fine

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Seeker`:

trumee: sorry, thats me out of suggestions :(

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trumee:

Seeker`: no worries. cheers

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sphery:

why are users so interested in seeing old, no-longer-available-on-their-systems channel numbers on recordings after they switch TV providers?

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sphery:

a channel number is just a number... it's meaningless

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Beirdo:

because they still have meaning to them, I guess

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Beirdo:

oh crap, that's not the right way to open a 13lb box of oxiclean

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sphery:

heh, do you have an oxi clean floor, now?

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Beirdo:

I was reaching for a knife to open the bag inside the box, and the box fell on the floor and the bag split open

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Beirdo:

so the next couple loads will have floor oxiclean

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Beirdo:

hehe

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sphery:

mmmm, floor oxiclean

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Beirdo:

yeah..

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sphery:

now I'm hungry for floor pie

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Beirdo:

need to clean the apt this weekend... my goal is to rid myself of Mt. Amazon Boxes today

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skd5aner:

Beirdo: I did that 3 weeks ago – cleared out a garage bay of cardboard

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Beirdo:

and maybe the Full Circle Farm Box Tower too

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Beirdo:

if I had a garage....

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Beirdo:

hehe

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skd5aner:

Filled the entire bed of my truck, all boxes brocken down even

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skd5aner:

broken

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Beirdo:

and if I can find the flippin pins for the shelving unit, I can clean a lot more up

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Beirdo:

I hate cleaning.

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Beirdo:

boooooring

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Beirdo:

need to clean the sheets, the throw on the couch, and the one on the recliner...

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Beirdo:

bleh

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Beirdo:

why can't stuff just clean itself?

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