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Wednesday, August 31st, 2011, 00:14 UTC
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[01:28:13] wagnerrp: looking through my upcoming recordings
[01:28:24] wagnerrp: for a moment i thought fringe was coming back on the air
[01:28:35] wagnerrp: then... wait a minute... they moved to saturday?
[01:28:46] wagnerrp: wait a minute... that has an original air date back in april
[01:29:11] Shiggs|MB: yo mama wear pajama like osama
[01:29:13] Shiggs|MB: lol
[01:29:45] ** iamlindoro eyes Shiggs|MB and polishes the banhammer **
[01:30:08] Shiggs|MB: :P
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[01:30:27] wagnerrp: pajamas are a... bad thing?
[01:30:31] Shiggs|MB: no lol
[01:30:37] wagnerrp: i dont see how thats an insult
[01:30:41] Shiggs|MB: and omg it's only erm justdave
[01:30:42] iamlindoro: They're definitely an irrelevant thing
[01:30:45] Shiggs|MB: heh
[01:30:54] Shiggs|MB: I just like rhyming is all
[01:31:04] iamlindoro: Do it in #yomtvraps
[01:31:18] Shiggs|MB: why?
[01:31:19] Shiggs|MB: lol
[01:31:34] Shiggs|MB: lol empty channel
[01:31:58] iamlindoro: because if you're going to be in the MythTV channel, you need to be on topci, or to have spent enough time here to earn the right to be off topic
[01:32:17] Shiggs|MB: oh come on
[01:32:19] Shiggs|MB: >_>
[01:32:34] iamlindoro: Follow the channel rules. Last warning.
[01:33:23] Shiggs|MB: there's nothing about 'off topic' stuff... I'm not condoning piracy.... so I don't see how there's any issue
[01:33:27] Shiggs|MB: !rules
[01:33:31] Shiggs|MB: +rules
[01:33:34] Shiggs|MB: -rles
[01:33:37] Shiggs|MB: -rules
[01:33:39] Shiggs|MB: >_>
[01:34:02] iamlindoro: The FAQ is linked in the topic, and contains tha channel rules
[01:34:14] iamlindoro: Including a directive to remain on topic
[01:35:25] iamlindoro: It's not that hard to comply, just have discussions which are in some way related to MythTV, or at least to TV in general. This is not AOL chat, don't come here to hear yourself talk.
[01:37:25] Shiggs|MB: >_< fine fine
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[01:38:09] wagnerrp: i guess hes done needing help getting mythtv running on his gentoo box?
[01:39:42] iamlindoro: Guess so
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[01:41:53] wagnerrp: iamlindoro: how does this sound for order of comparison in the bindings
[01:42:10] wagnerrp: chanid/starttime, falling through to inetref/season/episode, falling through to title/subtitle
[01:42:29] iamlindoro: I haven't been reading the channel much the last week, comparison for what purpose?
[01:42:53] wagnerrp: like... video1 > video2
[01:43:07] iamlindoro: Inetref/season/episode should be a solid comparison for whatever purpose
[01:43:09] wagnerrp: or guide1 == recording
[01:43:17] iamlindoro: yeah... sounds good to me
[01:43:52] wagnerrp: im wondering if there should be some fuzziness on the starttime
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[02:18:47] skd5aner: anyone have sirius/xm radio?
[02:19:41] skd5aner: I ask because the login page on their site doesn't appear to be working (tried in 3 browsers – log in button never responds, enter doesn't work) and I was wondering if anyone else with an account could see if they're having the same issue
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[02:20:24] sphery: isn't that called "Web 2.0"?
[02:20:40] skd5aner: yea, js for the... loss?
[02:20:54] sphery: exactly
[02:22:43] skd5aner: sphery: btw, gigabyte shipped out my RMAd mobo today
[02:22:47] skd5aner: should get it back friday
[02:22:57] sphery: nice
[02:23:09] sphery: wasn't that something you had sent in long ago, though?
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[02:29:57] skd5aner: sent on the 10'th
[02:30:15] skd5aner: so, not too long ago, but basically have been out of commission all of August :/
[02:30:39] skd5aner: went out I think around the ~4'th
[02:31:20] skd5aner: took a while to actually issue an RMA, send it from coast to coast, then several days for them to "receive" it once they had it, a few weekends, and back coast to coast – should have it Friday
[02:33:00] wagnerrp: i generally find RMAs as time to upgrade... :)
[02:39:47] skd5aner: wagnerrp: I would agree with you – except this mobo was an upgrade last october
[02:40:05] skd5aner: if it were my frontend – which has a 3–4 year old mobo, then I wouldn't even bother with it
[02:40:12] skd5aner: I guess 3 years old
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[06:11:23] dekarl: AndyCap, wagnerrp: mythtv supports teletext quite ok, for closed captioning theres two variants, the one thats mainly used having closed captioning on a normal page in teletext which can be signalled in the PMT (teletext on PID x with captions on page y) but of course it's not... So one could mix EIT Event data (has some subtitles) with the onid:sid and guess at which teletext page the subtitles are and PMTFixup it. e.g. ARTE
[06:11:59] wagnerrp: im talking about the full menuing systems, the pre-cursor to MHEG
[06:12:03] wagnerrp: does mythtv support those?
[06:15:24] dekarl: yes, it's supported
[06:16:10] dekarl: don't know if all variants of carriage are supported, but the teletext DVB private data streams work quite well
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[06:18:11] dekarl: there were some issues with the font rendering... (think wide characters in narrow space) but I didn't care enough to look at whats with that (don't really use it)
[06:18:48] wagnerrp: yeah, we never really implemented anything like that over here
[06:18:58] wagnerrp: because... well... the internet showed up in the early 90s
[06:20:28] dekarl: if you're into preMHEG you might like RASS http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Screen_Show besically a carousel of MPEG-2 stills
[06:20:40] wagnerrp: http://www.mythtvtalk.com/ultra-fast-teletext-mythtv-15023/
[06:20:50] wagnerrp: not my care, someone elses
[06:21:15] dekarl: ahh, a page cache, very much hightech ;)
[06:21:30] dekarl: (been reading the backlog earlier)
[06:21:38] wagnerrp: high tech-ish
[06:22:15] xris: http://www.schedulesdirect.org/
[06:22:20] wagnerrp: :)
[06:23:37] wagnerrp: both channels?
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[06:24:01] xris: wagnerrp: fairly big news item
[06:24:37] wagnerrp: oh, i thought you were saying SD, as opposed to antiquated teletext
[06:24:40] wagnerrp: i thought it was a joke
[06:24:52] xris: no, just happened to past mid-conversation
[06:25:39] dekarl: meh, mc2xml is a plague
[06:25:50] wagnerrp: oh got no! i cant afford another $5/yr!
[06:25:55] wagnerrp: s/got/god/
[06:26:39] xris: dekarl: in more ways than one. though I've heard that TMS finally got MS to start figuring out how to go after them
[06:26:48] xris: wagnerrp: some people will freak out.
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[06:26:54] wagnerrp: i need my daily double caff suger free half roast foamed frappachino
[06:26:58] wagnerrp: ill have to give one of those up
[06:28:00] xris: aeropress++  :)
[06:28:07] wagnerrp: might want to change the price in the second paragraph
[06:28:14] wagnerrp: still lists $20 and $5
[06:28:29] xris: it's not sept 1 yet
[06:28:42] wagnerrp: ah
[06:28:43] xris: I was actually supposed to get that posted 3 weeks ago...
[06:28:54] dekarl: xris: you mean like they got someone to care? nice one!
[06:28:54] dekarl: It's not so easy to find people in europe that care about a clean (in the rights clearance sense) guide source because it's so much easier to just take it from dubious sources... Ohh, and don't get me into metadata sites with the aim of "pictures for your downloads" :(
[06:28:57] ** xris blames the chasing-after of the pint sized geekling **
[06:29:36] xris: dekarl: when we met with TMS at CES this year, we pointed out that they were likely off by a factor of 10 on the number of users...
[06:29:57] xris: most of us would guess that there are around 20k mc2xml users, vs the 2k they thought.
[06:30:15] wagnerrp: ouch, vs. how much for SD?
[06:30:23] xris: we peaked at just under 23k
[06:30:31] xris: vs 35k for zap2it labs
[06:31:05] wagnerrp: and its likely the usage numbers have gone up since 2007?, not down
[06:31:08] xris: we're a lot lower now. exact numbers are hard — a lot of people have memberships but don't pull data.
[06:31:20] xris: we have fewer members now than we did at the end of 2007
[06:31:52] wagnerrp: we really need to get 0.25 out, so we can see what grabbers people are using
[06:32:07] dekarl: will be interesting to see the changes in numbers once the ms guide is not fire and forget anymore
[06:32:21] xris: the only full month with lower membership numbers was the first full month we were operational in 2007
[06:32:37] wagnerrp: interesting to watch the message boards when it happens
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[06:32:40] xris: dekarl: good luck with that happening
[06:32:51] wagnerrp: when/if
[06:33:25] xris: MS could issue a takedown request with paypal for mc2xml… very easy. paypal's "corrupt" enough to listen in a heartbeat.
[06:34:54] xris: but they haven't. no clue
[06:35:37] xris: SD is stuck in a weird position. we chose not to "resell" guide data because we wanted to build grants and other support methods for the community
[06:35:38] dekarl: ohh, nobody hinted paypal that there's an account waiting to be sacked yet? ;) I though paypal handles these request quickly.
[06:36:10] xris: but we haven't had much money to put toward that because we're waiting on IRS approval
[06:36:27] xris: additionally, *most* members still think of us as just reselling the guide data
[06:36:49] xris: and all of that just confuses the IRS. our 9 month application is going on 4 years now, passed around several different desks.
[06:37:29] wagnerrp: so TMS is still giving away the data for free, SD is basically just a registration service to ensure its only used for non-commercial stuff?
[06:37:44] xris: no, TMS charges us a VERY large amount of money every month
[06:38:33] xris: TMS is about 92% of SD operating cost
[06:38:41] wagnerrp: im not understanding the accounting that makes it not a resell
[06:38:58] xris: it's all in the wording, honestly
[06:39:20] xris: it's called a "program fee".. same as buying a subscription to a nonprofit theater
[06:39:46] xris: you're not buying tickets, but you're getting the equivalent number of shows as if you bought tickets
[06:40:05] xris: plus the warm fuzzes of supporting your local nonprofit acting troupe
[06:40:42] dekarl: chicken vs. egg. the amount is likely in the 1 full time employees to clean up data scale. But without clean metadata collections it's all moot anyway.
[06:40:57] xris: SD's program fee is supposed to help contribute to development of apps like mythtv, which that TMS program data *does* help (we give accounts to developers of all supported apps so they can access the data for free)
[06:41:11] dekarl: and we got the same fun over here with the tax exemption...
[06:41:23] wagnerrp: right, or do promotions like the theming competition
[06:41:56] xris: we had plans for bigger stuff, like maintaining a crowd-sourced database of information, but right as we were getting started on that stuff, the membership numbers really started to decline and we decided to hold on to our cash so we could keep going as long as possible
[06:42:39] xris: dekarl: at this point we just want an answer. SD actually has quite a bit of money in the bank, but if the IRS denies us, we'll owe all of it in back taxes and 4 years of late payment penalties.
[06:43:40] wagnerrp: the late penalties is a bit annoying
[06:44:05] xris: right
[06:44:10] wagnerrp: i missed the mention of a couple hundred dollars in stock sales like four years ago
[06:44:14] wagnerrp: forgot all about it
[06:44:17] xris: ?
[06:44:28] wagnerrp: so when the state finally gets around to reviewing my taxes several years later
[06:44:34] xris: ahhh
[06:44:37] wagnerrp: i have to pay four years of penalties
[06:44:39] xris: personal stuff
[06:44:52] dekarl: late penalties for them letting you in the unknown? That's not fun
[06:44:56] xris: yeah, and it usually adds up to way more than the actual tax owed in the first place.
[06:45:17] wagnerrp: yeah, it was like $150 in taxes, and another $300 in penalties
[06:45:38] xris: funny how when the mistake is the other way around, they only have to pay you a tiny amount of interest
[06:46:08] wagnerrp: they will inform you of a tax error in your favor?
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[06:46:22] [R]: isn't that how it works in monopoly?
[06:46:26] wagnerrp: that seems unlikely
[06:46:27] xris: I had it happen a couple of times when I was in college
[06:47:01] xris: and later, I re-filed because I missed a couple of deductions in previous years
[06:47:20] xris: $180 or so came back as like $183 because of interest
[06:48:14] xris: but they *do* check your math for you. sometimes if the mistakes are in their favor (and presumably small enough), they fix it for you and just tack it onto your refund
[06:50:32] wagnerrp: xris: should you guys be doing a bit of evangelizing to member projects
[06:50:51] wagnerrp: looking through the projects on the site, most that have wikis seem to mention mc2xml
[06:50:57] xris: wagnerrp: probably. we've been waiting until we could kick off the grant program for real
[06:51:24] wagnerrp: also, the link to Fiddle Free TV seems to be dead
[06:51:35] xris: yeah, mythtv is really the only project that goes out of its way to actively combat the probably-illegal stuff
[06:51:37] wagnerrp: http://www.tvscheduler.net/
[06:51:47] xris: lol
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[06:52:14] wagnerrp: i dont speak japanese, but that doesnt look like a site offering PVR software
[06:52:51] xris: SD has been really lax about our newsletters. it would be nice if we could get one together that talks about stuff like mc2xml.
[06:53:04] xris: wonder if we can get some info about it from MS or TMS legal.
[06:53:57] xris: I told rmeden about that project — he'll pull it.
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[06:58:52] wagnerrp: TV Tracker 3 too
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[07:02:47] wagnerrp: oh yeah! mytinytv is an evil application
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[07:03:19] wagnerrp: i say this from a position of authority based solely on the fact that their website plays music when you load it up
[07:03:27] wagnerrp: :)
[07:05:01] xris: looks like we need an application audit
[07:05:32] xris: we did get a small bump in members recently. replaytv users switching to WiRNS
[07:06:27] xris: part of me just wants to dissolve SD and pass its operations to the mythtv foundation.. once it's approved.
[07:06:34] xris: but that creates all kinds of other questions.
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[07:10:50] xris: man, so much to do.. if only I didn't have these whole "work" and "family" things getting in the way.  ;)
[07:12:56] wagnerrp: the TV_check link is bad
[07:13:07] wagnerrp: should be http://wiki.xmltv.org/index.php/Tv_check
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[07:17:12] xris: lol. I think that's robert's own program
[07:17:31] wagnerrp: looks like the xmltv wiki moved out from underneath him
[07:17:49] xris: except.. he's in charge of that.
[07:18:26] xris: he's probably asleep (TX). I'll poke him about it tomorrow
[07:20:02] wagnerrp: two others that may need looking
[07:20:18] wagnerrp: ReplayNT brings up an under construction page, with no mention of date
[07:20:30] wagnerrp: which is odd since the domain was registered way back in '99
[07:20:49] wagnerrp: and WhatsOn just gives a 404
[07:21:02] wagnerrp: the root page is missing
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[07:21:34] xris: all of those apps still have users
[07:21:36] dekarl: yeah victory. the master backend can bind it's ip on reboot. Die upstart :D
[07:22:00] wagnerrp: im not saying they should be removed from the list
[07:22:09] wagnerrp: but perhaps there is a more correct link somewhere
[07:22:29] xris: wagnerrp: yeah. that's one reason we tried to get someone from each app onto the SD advisory council
[07:23:01] xris: unfortunately, most of them are silent on the list.. only active ones are really just mythtv people like kormoc and cesman.
[07:24:43] ** cesman heard his name... **
[07:25:05] xris: cesman: just talking about how you're really the only one on the SD advisory council who ever says anything.
[07:25:19] cesman: ah
[07:25:31] cesman: I cannot wait for CES
[07:25:40] cesman: well, at least the dinner w/ everyone
[07:25:49] cesman: making it a priority this time
[07:25:50] xris: hah. I don't believe you!  :)
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[07:26:00] ** xris might have a real-life work project to be pimping out at CES this year. **
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[07:26:21] wagnerrp: youre at Real?
[07:26:22] xris: … assuming I can ever hire anyone
[07:26:44] xris: wagnerrp: yeah, officially. though I'm basically on my own in a startup/incubation environment
[07:27:04] ** cesman should go to bed **
[07:27:21] cesman: experiment is all set up and running and work work in the morning
[07:27:36] cesman: some nights, I can stay up all night and not do anything
[07:28:42] xris: wagnerrp: mostly I just wish the brewery could grow faster. then I could retire and work on the website, brew beer all day....
[07:29:03] wagnerrp: and of course, taste test for quality
[07:29:19] xris: always
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[11:49:10] ahhughez: do I configure the music sharing directories in the back or front end?
[11:49:24] ahhughez: I can't see it in the backend config :'(
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[11:54:09] justinh: ahh my last full day in Stockholm. It's very expensive here
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[12:42:12] ** mag0o wonders how many people will complain about the $0.33 price increase for SD **
[12:42:20] mag0o: (per month)
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[13:24:03] EvilGuru: mag0o: Bringing the total to...
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[14:23:31] sid3windr: will mythfrontend run on the raspberry pi?
[14:23:32] ** sid3windr runs **
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[14:33:46] AndyCap: dekarl: nice, got to give it a try. and caching is so annoyingly obvious tv's should have had it in 95. :P
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[14:39:51] dekarl: AndyCap... what do you show after a 10 minute jump? the last version of the page from cache do you clear the cache? or should you be showing that live data from the channel the recording came from?
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[14:41:00] dekarl: for weather/news/guide I'd prefer up to date date or keeping the cache, for closed captioning I'd prefer the most up to date at the time of recording ;)
[14:42:27] AndyCap: dekarl: well, I'd say stick with the recorded regardless. :P but I'm sure that could be confusing
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[14:45:44] dekarl: hmm, having a clock "your are watching the programm from yyyy-mm-dd hh:mm" would be nice. Maybe PTS or TDT could be shown. Would be a nice tool for adjusting the recodring rules
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[14:57:03] wagnerrp: sid3windr: technically, yes
[14:57:26] sid3windr: :)
[14:57:36] sid3windr: I didn't add "well" into the question ;)
[14:57:45] wagnerrp: however it wont be capable of any form of playback
[14:58:03] wagnerrp: and youll be swapping so hard as to be unusable
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[14:58:45] sid3windr: :)
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[15:31:05] J-e-f-f-A: j-rod: did you lose power from Irene? I was out for 36 hours...
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[15:32:38] dlasher: Any PXE/NFS/Netboot experts/semi-experts present and willing to answer a question?
[15:32:45] wagnerrp: shoot
[15:34:01] dlasher: for some reason the snapshot function doesn't appear to be working. The OS boots, zero complaints about read only, but it doesn't mount the snapshot folder, and doesn't ever use it.
[15:34:15] dlasher: hence things like xorg.conf, which need to be unique per box, aren't working.
[15:34:22] wagnerrp: ... snapshot?
[15:34:23] dlasher: swear I'm missing something OBVIOUS.
[15:34:38] wagnerrp: you mean the screen capture function in mythtv?
[15:34:42] dlasher: no.
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[15:35:07] dlasher: Look here : http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Diskless_Frontend — under "Create the File System" --- 2nd paragraph.
[15:35:47] wagnerrp: oh... union overlay
[15:36:04] dlasher: pivot-root to rw nfs snapshot directory.
[15:36:27] j-rod: J-e-f-f-A: only a few power blips, no more than a second or two
[15:36:33] j-rod: otherwise, very uneventful
[15:36:53] J-e-f-f-A: j-rod, nice... Thankfully nothing 'important' was missed for my recordings. ;-)
[15:37:08] j-rod: I shut my backend down before it hit, still haven't turned it back on
[15:37:37] J-e-f-f-A: Hehehe... I shut mine down about 10 mins after the power went off – my UPS runs for 20–30 mins, but I knew it was going to be an 'extended' outage...
[15:37:38] j-rod: I'm actually debating dropping cable altogether and going all streaming
[15:37:38] dlasher: grub config : http://pastebin.com/YgVp4jrR
[15:38:08] wagnerrp: yeah, im not sure who wrote that page but it is wrong
[15:38:24] wagnerrp: "snapshot" refers to a static filesystem
[15:38:31] J-e-f-f-A: j-rod, yeah, the only channel I watch a 'ton' of shows on is USA network, and I could probably live with just Streaming those programs...
[15:38:41] j-rod: basically haven't used mythtv all summer, and I'm actually quite happy not watching any tv right now
[15:38:42] wagnerrp: while in this case, theyre referring to the union/aufs overlay where the dynamic settings are stored
[15:38:53] wagnerrp: if anything, the root mount should be considered the "snapshot"
[15:39:08] wagnerrp: second, pivot-root does not do what they are describing
[15:39:25] J-e-f-f-A: j-rod, wow! And to think, you're the one that got me jump-started in this hobby. ;-) (Your great guide, that is. ;-) )
[15:39:29] wagnerrp: when you have an initrd, you boot into the initrd, and the initrd provides the initial filesystem
[15:39:46] wagnerrp: you then mount the root and overlay in some subdirectory on that initial filesystem
[15:39:56] wagnerrp: and then pivot-root into that subdirectory
[15:39:57] dlasher: wagnerrp: with you so far.
[15:40:11] j-rod: yeah, would be kind of ironic, in some ways… :)
[15:41:11] J-e-f-f-A: ;-)
[15:41:11] wagnerrp: as to why you are having problems, i cant say
[15:41:22] wagnerrp: everything is supposed to be managed by that initrd
[15:41:34] dlasher: I should see a 2nd NFS mount, right? for the "snapshot" directory?
[15:41:38] wagnerrp: which is not documented in any manner on that page, and seems to be something fedora specific
[15:41:47] j-rod: there are two things that keep me from dropping cable:
[15:42:08] j-rod: 1) English Premiere League soccer on Fox Soccer and occasionally ESPN2
[15:42:09] j-rod: 2)
[15:42:18] j-rod: 2) NHL games
[15:42:25] j-rod: on Versus HD
[15:42:34] j-rod: (and Bruins games on NESN)
[15:42:45] J-e-f-f-A: Ah. ;-) I'm not into sports that much, but I do like many of the shows on USA Network... ;-)
[15:43:18] j-rod: EPL is solvable, foxsoccer.tv, and occasionally, espn3
[15:43:25] wagnerrp: dlasher: yes, you should see two NFS mounts, and an AUFS mount
[15:43:53] dlasher: I see a pile of little ramdisk mounts ..and nothing in the OS complains about being read only.. so it appears to be working.
[15:43:56] j-rod: NHL Center Ice would work, if not for the fact they block local market games
[15:43:56] wagnerrp: the overlay will have to be mounted to some temporary directory, and then cloned over top the root using AUFS
[15:44:13] dlasher: except that things that SHOULD be unique per machine are not.
[15:44:14] wagnerrp: you shouldnt see any ramdisks
[15:44:16] J-e-f-f-A: j-rod, Yeah, that's lame, eh?
[15:44:39] wagnerrp: those would only be used if you didnt want to store any information between reboots
[15:44:51] j-rod: a friend got the package just to watch the Bruins, rather than having to pay gobs more to get NESN, then found out the Bruins games were blacked out
[15:44:56] dlasher: I don't actually see a ramdisk, as it were — I see mount entries like this "none 1029424 2860 1026564 1% /var/lock"
[15:45:18] j-rod: it works quite well on the ps3
[15:45:26] J-e-f-f-A: j-rod, I paid for an android app to listen to a Red-Sox game when on vacation in the midwest, and I couldn't use it to listen to the game as it was blocked as a 'local' game because of my area code... lame...
[15:45:35] j-rod: just, bleah
[15:45:58] j-rod: ha. my cell still has a 206 area code, even after 5+ years living 2500 miles from it
[15:46:06] wagnerrp: vacation in the midwest?
[15:46:09] J-e-f-f-A: Hehehehe...
[15:46:12] wagnerrp: no one vacations in flyover territory
[15:46:40] ** j-rod hitting CA next week, FL two weeks after that **
[15:46:44] J-e-f-f-A: wagnerrp, visiting my mom in KS a few years back. ;-)
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[15:47:15] j-rod: anyone else going to the linux plumbers conf in Santa Rosa, CA next week?
[15:47:19] wagnerrp: dlasher: to be honest, i gave up on NFS boot like two years ago
[15:47:39] wagnerrp: since i didnt want to have to deal with such messy overlays
[15:47:40] j-rod: a cheap usb stick == way less pain and suffering
[15:47:53] dlasher: wagnerrp: I'm working on a cluster of 9 machines, it would make things SO much easier to do things like driver updates, kernel updates, etc.
[15:47:59] ** sid3windr runs nfs rw boot **
[15:48:00] wagnerrp: for independent machines with independent nfs roots, its fine
[15:48:18] wagnerrp: but when you have a shared root, with overlays... bleh
[15:48:21] dlasher: I don't want to burn the disk for 9 copies of the full OS when you don't need it.
[15:48:32] sid3windr: cow unification!
[15:48:40] wagnerrp: sid3windr: indeed!
[15:48:43] sid3windr: hardlinks ftw
[15:48:44] sid3windr: :)
[15:48:54] j-rod: also, disk space?
[15:49:05] j-rod: an hour of TV takes several GB
[15:49:18] j-rod: so you lose what, 1–2 hours of TV recording space?
[15:49:48] wagnerrp: i ended up switching to iscsi, with disk images stored on ZFS
[15:49:52] dlasher: project I'm working on may scale to 30+ machines... and trying to keep all the directories in sync /etc.
[15:50:09] j-rod: puppet :)
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[15:50:15] j-rod: or cfengine
[15:50:17] wagnerrp: i keep one root image, update that, clone it over to the other systems
[15:50:35] wagnerrp: when the systems boot up on their cloned image, they pull an overlay and reboot
[15:50:47] j-rod: so, now, central server goes down, all 30+ machines are boned, right?
[15:51:09] j-rod: (of course, if your master backend goes down, same difference, mostly)
[15:51:23] J-e-f-f-A: Anyone here know dd-wrt, since both #dd-wrt and ##dd-wrt are ghost towns? (or maybe I'm just not using the right bait...)
[15:51:32] wagnerrp: each of those cloned images only contains the few dozen KB of the overlay, plus whatever log files it accrues between updates
[15:52:16] wagnerrp: the disks are mounted in the initrd, and shows up has any standard scsi disk to the booted system
[15:52:39] wagnerrp: so the only thing non-standard in the whole setup is one init script to manage the initial pull of the overlay, and a custom initrd
[15:53:08] dlasher: I'm not following you.. that sounds like what I'm after.
[15:53:26] wagnerrp: only problem is on linux, you need to use BTRFS to make it work properly
[15:53:31] wagnerrp: and thats not exactly stable yet
[15:55:52] dlasher: this looks like exactly what I'm after (http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Fedora_Diskless_init_patch)
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[16:08:02] dlasher: if I could figure out how to make X start with an xorg.conf OTHER than /etc/X11/xorg.conf I'd be golden.
[16:08:04] dlasher: for now.
[16:09:53] wagnerrp: -config
[16:10:11] wagnerrp: but if your overlay is not being applied
[16:10:18] wagnerrp: then you have all sorts of problems besides X
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[16:12:01] jcarlos: I have just compiled mythtv from sources. I have installed it. I have configured mythbackend to run as "IP address" 127.0.0.1 using mythtv-setup. I run mythbackend. I run mythfrontend in the same machine and I get "Connection to master server timed out. Either the server is down or the master server settings in mythtv-settings does not contain the proper IP address " Am I missing anything ?
[16:12:34] wagnerrp: is your backend running?
[16:12:45] jcarlos: Yes
[16:12:58] wagnerrp: then perhaps you should chase it down and catch it
[16:13:19] jcarlos: jcromero@hipatia:~$ ps aux | grep myth
[16:13:19] jcarlos: jcromero 31981 1.2 2.1 186260 22484 pts/2 Sl+ 18:12 0:00 mythbackend
[16:13:38] wagnerrp: what port do you have set to connect to?
[16:14:06] jcarlos: Default: 6543
[16:14:23] wagnerrp: can you paste your backend logs
[16:15:07] jcarlos: Sure
[16:16:09] jcarlos: wagnerrp: http://pastebin.com/dTR8Utq1
[16:17:34] wagnerrp: do you normally run mythbackend as your own user?
[16:17:42] wagnerrp: im going to bet file permissions
[16:17:59] wagnerrp: the backend either doesnt have access to the tuner or storage directories
[16:18:09] wagnerrp: so it never properly sets up
[16:18:41] jcarlos: I have just compiled mythtv in my netbook, I'm going to collaborate in Spanish translation. This is not my home installation.
[16:19:02] wagnerrp: youre running a backend on your netbook?
[16:19:06] jcarlos: Yes
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[16:19:13] wagnerrp: what are you doing for a tuner?
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[16:19:37] jcarlos: I have no tuner. I'm using a file for this.
[16:19:43] jcarlos: My tuner is at home :-(
[16:19:53] wagnerrp: but you have a fake tuner of some sort set up?
[16:19:53] jcarlos: I'm not at home right now
[16:20:09] J-e-f-f-A: firewall perhaps?
[16:20:15] wagnerrp: physical or otherwise, there just needs to be something accessible defined in the database
[16:20:17] jcarlos: I configured with mythtv-setup a file as tuner
[16:20:39] wagnerrp: yeah, firewall could do it
[16:20:53] wagnerrp: if it has gone to the extremes of blocking loopback by default
[16:21:03] wagnerrp: dumber things have happened
[16:22:44] jcarlos: wagnerrp: "A local MPEG file used to simulate a recording. Must be entered as file:/path/movie.mpg"
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[16:22:54] jcarlos: This is an option as tuner
[16:23:16] jcarlos: "Demo test recorder"
[16:23:52] jcarlos: So I am using it as tuner
[16:27:55] jcarlos: wagnerrp: This is my frontend log: http://pastebin.com/dTR8Utq1
[16:28:20] wagnerrp: no it aint
[16:28:27] jcarlos: Is this important: Unable to determine master backend time zone settings. If those settings differ from local settings, some functionality will fail. ?
[16:29:06] wagnerrp: its a side effect of being unable to connect to the backend to check the backend's timezone setting
[16:29:22] jcarlos: I understand
[16:29:36] jcarlos: So, what could be happening ?
[16:29:46] wagnerrp: dont know, that was not your frontend logs
[16:29:50] wagnerrp: :)
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[16:32:36] wagnerrp: meaning... you pasted the same link to your backend logs, and said it was your frontend logs
[16:33:45] jcarlos: wagnerrp: http://pastebin.com/w7T8jwme
[16:33:50] jcarlos: Sorry
[16:35:29] wagnerrp: could you run your backend with --loglevel debug --verbose important,network
[16:35:55] jcarlos: Sure
[16:36:15] wagnerrp: also... 'netstat -n | grep 6543'
[16:37:03] jcarlos: The netstat command produces no output
[16:37:16] wagnerrp: you ran that with your backend running?
[16:37:35] wagnerrp: it should have listed any application connected to or listening on port 6543
[16:37:52] jcarlos: Yes
[16:37:59] jcarlos: With the backend running
[16:38:18] wagnerrp: do you have an IPv6 address on that machine?
[16:38:19] jcarlos: So it seems the backend is not listening
[16:38:55] jcarlos: Mmmmm
[16:39:05] jcarlos: It seems lo inteface is ipv6
[16:39:21] wagnerrp: try telling it to listen on [::1]
[16:39:48] jcarlos: wagnerrp: http://pastebin.com/msfCKWM4
[16:41:28] jcarlos: wagnerrp: I don't understand what you want me to do
[16:41:42] wagnerrp: instead of 127.0.0.1, listen on ::1
[16:42:02] jcarlos: In mythtv-setup ?
[16:42:09] wagnerrp: yes
[16:42:42] jcarlos: In both IPs ? Local backend an Master backend ?
[16:43:07] wagnerrp: on the master backend, both IPs must be exactly the same
[16:43:22] wagnerrp: its a simple string check that determines whether something will operate as the master backend
[16:44:12] jcarlos: I have changed the IP, but netstat has no output
[16:44:44] jcarlos: So I think I have not fixed nothing :-(
[16:44:58] jcarlos: anything*
[16:45:35] jcarlos: wagnerrp: Ups, It seems my frontend has connected !!
[16:47:54] wagnerrp: so its working now?
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[16:51:44] jcarlos: wagnerrp: It seems so
[16:51:47] jcarlos: Thanks :-)
[16:52:06] wagnerrp: theres a known issue with the ipv6 stuff
[16:52:36] wagnerrp: that on some systems, if there is an ipv6 address present, it will only listen on ipv6
[16:52:54] wagnerrp: technically, that address you put in mythtv-setup doesnt tell it where to listen, but rather tells the frontend where to connect to
[16:53:11] jcarlos: I understand
[16:53:20] wagnerrp: although i was under the impression it only affected the BSDs
[16:53:24] wagnerrp: not linux
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[16:59:55] jcarlos: wagnerrp: I'm using debian, if you want to know
[17:00:16] wagnerrp: just debian? not debian/kfreebsd?
[17:01:10] jcarlos: debian/linux
[17:01:12] jcarlos: :)
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[19:45:27] sphery: wagnerrp: well, Sony decided that rather than cut out the middle man, it's easier to cut out the end target -> http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2105 . . . al-3d-viewer
[19:45:45] sphery: I think they could have chosen a simpler name, though... Maybe the "LaForge".
[19:46:10] wagnerrp: wow
[19:46:22] wagnerrp: you know, if they HAD named it the laforge
[19:46:23] sphery: who needs glasses-less 3D TV when you can get TV-less 3D glasses
[19:46:29] wagnerrp: i think i might just have to buy one
[19:46:45] sphery: hehe, yeah, I'd be much more interested with that name, too
[19:49:03] sphery: So, it makes no sense for HP to manufacture another run of TouchPads only to sell them off at a loss, but if they make another round and try to sell them off for iPad prices, they won't sell--really, they're unlikely to sell at any price higher than the $99/$149 cut-rate price they used to liquidate their previous stock...
[19:49:33] sphery: Maybe Leo doesn't realize that making copies of hardware costs money, versus making copies of software...
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[19:58:52] mag0o: EvilGuru: $25/year
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[20:00:52] nidhoegger: hi, where can i find the mythtv gentoo ebuilds for 0.24 again?
[20:01:18] wagnerrp: https://github.com/MythTV/packaging
[20:01:38] nidhoegger: thank you!
[20:07:46] sphery: mag0o: yeah, now we have to say, "for less than $0.07/day" (instead of $0.06)
[20:08:23] sphery: I still think it's worth that extra penny--at least it was yesterday, we'll have to see about today
[20:08:47] wagnerrp: come on, we were willing to pay when it was $15
[20:08:49] wagnerrp: (per quarter)
[20:08:52] sphery: yeah
[20:09:20] sphery: they should have mentioned that--that it was still lower than initial estimated cost
[20:09:37] wagnerrp: well that was never the initial estimated cost
[20:09:54] sphery: what was it when we signed up, when it first started
[20:09:54] wagnerrp: that was just a wide overshoot, until they had a real estimate
[20:10:22] sphery: I remember them reducing the price because of the number of people who signed up
[20:10:32] wagnerrp: something to "build up the coffers" until they had a handle on how many people there would be
[20:11:02] wagnerrp: right, but when those prices were set, there were no users on which to estimate the cost
[20:12:20] sphery: heh, looking through the old threads and it's amazing how many people were whining back then... "Alternatives to Supporting schedulesdirect.org" and such. Yeah, now /that's/ taking care of the community.
[20:12:21] wagnerrp: sphery: wait, that sony HMD, you are looking directly at the screens?
[20:12:36] sphery: wagnerrp: yeah... 2 separate OLEDs
[20:12:43] sphery: 750inches worth ;)
[20:12:52] wagnerrp: but i mean, you are staring directly at the OLEDs?
[20:13:12] sphery: versus a mirror or something?
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[20:13:25] wagnerrp: yeah, many many mirrors, specifically
[20:13:54] sphery: you mean more like a DLP?
[20:14:06] wagnerrp: no, i mean more like a HUD
[20:14:47] wagnerrp: if you were unaware, a HUD is not simply projected onto that piece of glass
[20:14:55] wagnerrp: there is actually a display deep within the device
[20:14:57] sphery: never paid much attention to it
[20:15:09] wagnerrp: and that piece of glass is the last mirror, in a large network of mirrors inside
[20:15:15] sphery: heh, cool
[20:15:32] sphery: http://priuschat.com/forums/gen-iii-2010-priu . . . rrors-2.html
[20:15:36] wagnerrp: with the purpose of columnating the display, putting the focal point way off in the distance
[20:15:58] wagnerrp: aircraft put the focal point hundreds of feet out in front
[20:16:11] wagnerrp: automobile HUDs put it about a car length out in front of you
[20:16:28] wagnerrp: the idea being you dont have to refocus to see it
[20:16:37] sphery: cool, makes sense
[20:17:08] wagnerrp: if you are looking directly at the display on this thing, youre going to have to focus on something just an inch or two away from your eyes
[20:17:20] wagnerrp: that is going to be terribly stressful
[20:17:51] skd5aner: reminds me of "The Jerk"
[20:18:01] wagnerrp: thats why most of these types of units, the display is actually mounted way back by your ear, and reflected off a mirror in front
[20:18:08] sphery: hehe
[20:18:10] skd5aner: they'll be hand-writing settlement checks to cross-eyed people for decades
[20:18:28] sphery: maybe the OLED display is out of focus
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[20:19:03] sphery: or maybe it gets its 3D from an RDS approach
[20:19:16] sphery: (random-dot stereogram) so you have to focus behind it :)
[20:19:42] wagnerrp: actually, RDSs still make you focus on the page
[20:19:51] wagnerrp: but your stereo convergence extends behind the page
[20:20:36] wagnerrp: if you actually focused behind it, it would just be a blurry mess
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[20:24:29] sphery: so, yeah, seems the initial announcement was $15/3mos, but if enough signed up $20/yr – http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/283321#283321
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[20:24:50] sphery: so they acctually announced the lower price, too
[20:24:51] J-e-f-f-A: I remember that. ;-)
[20:25:08] wagnerrp: the high price was just to continue operating if like 5K users signed up
[20:25:08] nhnh: hello all
[20:25:18] wagnerrp: from the original ~40K subscribers to zap2it
[20:25:54] nhnh: quick question: are there plans to release a non-US version of the HD homeRun PRIME?
[20:26:16] wagnerrp: nhnh: to what end? no one outside the US/Canada uses cablecards
[20:26:31] sphery: I'm guessing you mean a CI/CAM HDHR?
[20:26:45] wagnerrp: they /could/ release a DVB-C/CI device
[20:26:45] nhnh: exactly sphery
[20:26:47] sphery: if so, haven't heard anything about one--but don't pay a lot of attention
[20:26:53] wagnerrp: but it would have to be completely re-engineered from scratch
[20:27:15] wagnerrp: the requirements and hardware behind a CI device are completely different from a cablecard device
[20:27:23] wagnerrp: its not a simple tuner swap like the DVB-T version
[20:27:35] wagnerrp: tuner/demod
[20:27:43] sphery: and if the HDHR DVB is an indicator, it took them how many years to release that after the HDHR ATSC/QAM was released?
[20:27:46] nhnh: ah allright
[20:28:05] nhnh: ok, thanks for you answers
[20:28:10] sphery: anyway, might want to send an e-mail to Silicon Dust and mention an interest in one
[20:28:22] nhnh: then i'm better not making any bets anytime soon ^^
[20:28:26] sphery: (and get your closest 3,000,000 friends to do the same...)
[20:28:27] wagnerrp: nhnh: basically, cablecard is a DRM implementation, so there is all sorts of code in there for handling different protection levels and restricting what devices are allowed to access it
[20:28:43] wagnerrp: meanwhile, CI is a simple conditional access implementation
[20:29:10] sphery: in theory, engineering it would be easier--especially with all the CI modules available out there
[20:29:10] wagnerrp: its more likely they would adapt it from the DVB-T version
[20:29:18] j-rod: the prius makes me cry
[20:29:19] sphery: yeah
[20:29:28] wagnerrp: than rip all sorts of stuff out of the cablecard version
[20:29:38] wagnerrp: j-rod: hybrids make me cry
[20:29:41] sphery: j-rod: ? (I'm not disagreeing, just looking for more support for my feelings)
[20:29:57] j-rod: 1) its fugly
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[20:30:07] j-rod: 2) its got squat for acceleration
[20:30:11] wagnerrp: 2) its an abomination of engineering
[20:30:15] j-rod: that's about all
[20:30:23] j-rod: that matters to me
[20:30:35] sphery: heh, and it's a huge waste of batteries
[20:30:42] j-rod: a hybrid that looks good and has some power, I have no problem with
[20:30:45] sphery: (and the materials/resources used in their productin)
[20:30:46] J-e-f-f-A: j-rod, I drove a Volt recently, it goes pretty decent... ;-)
[20:30:52] wagnerrp: j-rod: i would still have problem with it
[20:31:03] wagnerrp: J-e-f-f-A: the volt is a prius with a modestly larger engine
[20:31:04] j-rod: yeah, those are much less objectionable looking
[20:31:13] j-rod: no clue about how they drive
[20:31:35] wagnerrp: its still a dog of a car, and an affront to my beliefs as an engineer
[20:32:06] j-rod: ah, I lied, I haven't been completely tv-free this summer
[20:32:15] j-rod: I've watched quite a few back episodes of Top Gear
[20:32:21] j-rod: now *those* are cars
[20:32:22] sphery: but it's green! (Unless, of course, you get the electric blue or the candy red paint job...)
[20:32:24] J-e-f-f-A: I drove one at the GM "Main Street USA" event – it was only a corse about 1/2 mile long, but it handled well, accelerated 'fair' (about like a typical 4-banger), and seemed nice overall.
[20:32:41] ** J-e-f-f-A <3's Top Gear... ;-) **
[20:32:51] j-rod: anything less than 300hp and not a manual transmission, DO NOT WANT
[20:32:55] J-e-f-f-A: (At least the UK version... the US version stinks...)
[20:33:01] j-rod: yeah, UK version
[20:33:18] sphery: gotta get a Tesla
[20:33:24] wagnerrp: j-rod: eh? the only thing horsepower gets you is top speed
[20:33:28] J-e-f-f-A: ^ there ya go. ;-)
[20:33:39] wagnerrp: and unless youre going to take it on the track, or drag strip, top speed really doesnt matter
[20:33:40] j-rod: torque too
[20:33:50] wagnerrp: torque gets you torque
[20:33:52] j-rod: well, lets just say I have a tendency to speed
[20:34:02] wagnerrp: horsepower is just the RPM at which that torque comes at
[20:34:05] sphery: I hear steam power has unlimited torque
[20:34:06] ** J-e-f-f-A does too. ;-) **
[20:34:15] sphery: (well, maybe just limited by the container/piston :)
[20:34:25] wagnerrp: i speed too, but i dont see a need for a car that will do better than 100
[20:34:29] j-rod: acceleration, whatever. GO FAST.
[20:34:31] J-e-f-f-A: j-rod, I've been passed on 495 when i was going ~80... (woops, did I just say that?)
[20:34:45] wagnerrp: now the car that would get me to 100 in under 8 seconds would be lovely
[20:34:57] wagnerrp: but you dont need 300hp to pull that off
[20:34:58] j-rod: yeah, I rarely go less than 80 on 495
[20:35:40] j-rod: lets just say I don't want a prius. or a corolla. or a civic.
[20:35:49] J-e-f-f-A: Hehehehehe...
[20:35:57] j-rod: or anything close to that
[20:37:12] J-e-f-f-A: So Tesla Roadster is what you want... as long as your commute is <200 miles...
[20:37:20] wagnerrp: j-rod: the point im trying to make is that people want good acceleration, but unless youre doing high speed racing, ~50hp is good enough for a sedan to cruise at 90mph or so
[20:37:27] j-rod: (I drive a still mostly stock Volvo S60 R, the one with the sport kit, and frequently put the 4c suspension in 'advanced' mode)
[20:37:55] wagnerrp: so, you drop in a 50hp diesel generator
[20:38:02] wagnerrp: and a ~150–200hp electric motor
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[20:38:29] j-rod: the czech (iirc) guy with the electric motor older model bmw...
[20:38:33] j-rod: that's friggin' amazing
[20:38:44] wagnerrp: that electric motor with one or two speeds would get a 3klb sedan up to 90mph damn quick
[20:39:08] wagnerrp: and then your generator just keeps a modest battery pack topped off for long range cruise
[20:39:44] wagnerrp: i have absolutely no problem with diesel electric, weve been using it for decades
[20:40:02] wagnerrp: what i do have a problem with is that current hybrids dont want to spend the money on a properly spec'd electric motor
[20:40:25] wagnerrp: so the stick an underpowered electric motor and an underpowered gasoline motor on the same drive train
[20:40:54] J-e-f-f-A: Hehehe... I remember seeing an episode of "Pass Times" where a guy had an S10 pickup with an Electric motor... They asked their questions, and one guy asked "how much horsepower is that motor?" The guy said "It is a 10HP motor"... And then he did a burnout and about an 8-second time in the 1/4 mile... Everyone was blown away...
[20:41:01] j-rod: J-e-f-f-A: ever been on route 3, between 495 and the NH border?
[20:41:14] wagnerrp: meaning the card still has poor acceleration, the interaction between the two different types makes it finicky, and the fact that you are no longer restricting that generator to a single RPM means you lose all your efficiency
[20:41:20] J-e-f-f-A: Yeah, not that often anymore though, since my company is in Waltham now...
[20:41:32] j-rod: there are some nice stretches where you can open it up a bit
[20:41:37] wagnerrp: with a /proper/ drive train, that prius should be getting like 70–80mpg
[20:41:44] DeviceZer0: http://www.tmz.com/2011/08/18/leo-dicaprio-hy . . . .Tl6cXBhCKeA
[20:41:45] wagnerrp: but instead it gets like 45
[20:41:53] DeviceZer0: that looks like a nice hybrid ^^ :)
[20:41:55] wagnerrp: you may as well just get a cheap jetta
[20:42:03] j-rod: I like to get into triple-digits when there's no traffic :)
[20:42:30] J-e-f-f-A: ;-) Yeah, I've opened up my 73 Chevelle a few places here and there... Way back in 1986 I got her up to 140 on Hwy 99 in CA – but have only brought her up to 130 or so a few times here in New England... ;-)
[20:42:53] j-rod: haha. latest top gear I watched had a diesel-powered scirocco on it, which they heavily lambasted...
[20:43:11] wagnerrp: DeviceZer0: except thats not a hybrid
[20:43:19] wagnerrp: its an electric car, with a generator
[20:43:26] j-rod: I-90 through Montana is fun
[20:43:41] DeviceZer0: oh. i didnt look up the specs on the car...
[20:43:50] DeviceZer0: just saw that article that said it was hybrid.
[20:43:59] j-rod: tmz. *facepalm*
[20:44:04] wagnerrp: they call it a hybrid, just because thats the current buzzword
[20:44:06] ** J-e-f-f-A laughs! **
[20:44:17] DeviceZer0: ah
[20:44:22] wagnerrp: but those systems have been around for decades before they started calling them hybrids
[20:44:24] DeviceZer0: my bad guys! ;)
[20:44:24] ** skd5aner just got a speeding ticket last weekend :P **
[20:44:58] ** J-e-f-f-A has been a good boy and hasn't gotten a speeding ticket in about 6 years [ie: hasn't gotten CAUGHT]... **
[20:45:12] DeviceZer0: its quite hard for me to get a speeding ticket in my jeep lol. id really have to try
[20:45:17] j-rod: have managed to get pulled over 5 times since moving out here
[20:45:18] skd5aner: yea, 2004 was my last ticket... it was probably karma catching up to me
[20:45:43] skd5aner: DeviceZer0: it's actually quite easy to get a ticket in a jeep, I've done it
[20:45:51] j-rod: multiple warnings, finally got issued a ticket on the last one. but fought it and got out of it :)
[20:46:07] wagnerrp: yeah, 40 in a 25, while passing a school bus, in a school zone
[20:46:09] skd5aner: especially if cops are really sensitive about bumper heights, lifts, side-view mirrors, etc
[20:46:15] j-rod: so officially, my only ticket ever was way back in 1997
[20:46:23] DeviceZer0: skd5aner, im sure i could easily get some reckless driving or something...but my jeep doesnt like to go that fast lol.
[20:46:24] j-rod: that was a fun one...
[20:46:28] j-rod: driving in CA
[20:46:31] j-rod: with a WA license
[20:46:31] J-e-f-f-A: Hehehe... and my last ticket was driving on Vacation, going through Ohio, flowing with traffic, and I got beaned for going 83... Everyone else around me was going the same speed, but I was the vacationer with out-of-state plates and a pop-up trailer...
[20:46:35] j-rod: in a car with UT plates
[20:46:44] skd5aner: DeviceZer0: what year? a wrangler? 2.5 or 4 liter?
[20:47:01] wagnerrp: J-e-f-f-A: well thats your problem, you sped through ohio
[20:47:02] skd5aner: lift? bigger tires?
[20:47:19] wagnerrp: its not so bad in the cities
[20:47:27] DeviceZer0: 01 cherokee 4.0. no lift. got bigger then stock tires....and its got a shake going on...so i dont like taking it to fast lol
[20:47:33] J-e-f-f-A: wagnerrp, yeah, they hit me up for $260 or so IIRC... There was no way I would have been able to fight it...
[20:47:35] wagnerrp: but once you get outside the beltway, and into the territory of the state tax collectors, its brutal
[20:47:44] skd5aner: J-e-f-f-A: yea, Ohio was were I got my previous ticket... this most recent one was in TN – love the folks with out of state plates
[20:48:06] skd5aner: DeviceZer0: ohh, death wobble?
[20:48:11] wagnerrp: I-71 and I-75 are both brutal
[20:48:33] skd5aner: is is I-70, and any US highway in OH
[20:48:40] skd5aner: s/is is/so is
[20:49:08] wagnerrp: my parents came back I-71 from new york on the 4th weekend
[20:49:12] DeviceZer0: skd5aner, not quite. I had bad ball or u-joints...had them replaced a few months ago...but they said that they where so bad my tires wore weird and id still have some shaking....but the tires are less then a year old...so no way im getting new tires
[20:49:33] wagnerrp: counted some 41 cop cars clocking between the penn border, and the cincinnati beltway
[20:49:36] skd5aner: yea, rotating them every few thousand miles *might* help correct some of that
[20:49:58] DeviceZer0: they said the tires might get back to normalish after a while...and a alignment may help.
[20:50:02] skd5aner: but, if they're worn unbalanced now, it'll be hard for it to ever get anything but worse
[20:50:06] wagnerrp: thats like one copy every 5–6 miles
[20:50:35] DeviceZer0: yea skd5aner...but the tires are nice and have tons of life left in them...also...i dont exactly have like 400–600 for new rubber hehe
[20:50:42] skd5aner: DeviceZer0: unless you are significately out of alignment, you'd be best to wait to get new tires before doing it or you'll just end up out of alignment pretty quickly again
[20:50:45] DeviceZer0: ...so now i just avoid the highway lol
[20:51:03] DeviceZer0: yea.
[20:52:47] skd5aner: I'm just mad about my last ticket because I had cruise control on the whole time and I don't speed as much as I used to, but the limit dropped from 70 to 55 and a couple of people were driving like assess going around me then slowing down and speeding up again, then blocking both lanes...
[20:53:15] skd5aner: so I stepped on it when I had a chance to go arond them (in the mountains) and of course there was a trooper waiting around one of the corners right as I did that
[20:53:16] skd5aner: :P
[20:53:24] DeviceZer0: lol
[20:53:52] skd5aner: $236
[20:54:35] skd5aner: 2 miles from the border... I should have known better...
[20:54:38] DeviceZer0: my friend got off for speeding in his explorer due to his tires. They where slightly oversized and he claimed his spedometer had not been recalibrated and they bought it. He wasnt going super fast and it was not on the highway
[20:54:43] DeviceZer0: but he was like 10–15 over
[20:54:47] skd5aner: I always go the speedlimit within 10 miles of any state border – they're always waiting to nail you there
[20:55:00] wagnerrp: hehe
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[20:55:27] wagnerrp: i got nailed going 82 in a 65, with the cop parked 10 feet off the end of the bridge into KY
[20:55:47] skd5aner: yea, I had to put a need speedo gear in my jeep's transfer case when I put on larger wheels and regeared the axles... I used GPS for a little while to tell me my speed
[20:55:50] DeviceZer0: could you have just drove into KY?
[20:56:03] wagnerrp: eh?
[20:56:05] DeviceZer0: or do they have a leway of road to pull you over?
[20:56:19] skd5aner: he was probably clocking him as he entered the state, not leaving it
[20:56:22] DeviceZer0: like they can pull you over within 1 mile of the state line
[20:56:26] DeviceZer0: Oh
[20:56:28] DeviceZer0: yea.
[20:56:32] DeviceZer0: stupid me lol
[20:56:40] ** wagnerrp slaps DeviceZer0 a bit **
[20:56:41] DeviceZer0: didnt even consider that.
[20:56:51] DeviceZer0: ADURHURRR
[20:56:59] skd5aner: lol
[20:57:13] skd5aner: I don't know why – but picturing you actually saying that was funny
[20:57:20] DeviceZer0: lol
[20:58:26] skd5aner: so... I'll happily accept any paypal donations to anyone who's sympathetic to my plight
[20:58:48] ** skd5aner doesn't expect to see any volunteers in this century **
[20:59:17] DeviceZer0: lol
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