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| [00:00:38] | Guest65983: | thought it was for anyone who liked to watch TV |
| [00:00:39] | wagnerrp: | if you are going paycheck to paycheck, perhaps spending $80-$100/mo on cable isnt a wise choice |
| [00:01:04] | kormoc: | Guest65983, We just disagree on a fundamental fact that I personally don't pity people who take a more costly way to get their luxury fix over a longer term, fiscally more responsible one. That's it. I'm not going to change your mind. You're not going to change mine. There's no point in arguing. |
| [00:01:05] | Beirdo: | MythTV is not designed for tight budgets |
| [00:01:33] | Guest65983: | which is funny goiven how well it works on one |
| [00:01:38] | Guest65983: | *given |
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| [00:02:09] | Beirdo: | there is a significant initial investment required. If you can't afford it, then really, you should look at a different "solution" to the problem of how to get mindlessly entertained. |
| [00:02:34] | Beirdo: | capture devices aren't cheap. |
| [00:02:35] | sphery: | but wouldn't a $10/mo cable-co DVR work better on a budget than buying a $200+ computer and one or more $30-$200 capture cards and a few hundred in hard drives and ... |
| [00:02:39] | mycoDA: | an old PC (evan a hand me down) an a couple of tuners |
| [00:02:55] | sphery: | heh, maybe soon we'll fix that |
| [00:03:08] | mycoDA: | DVB are cheap as chips, no idea about atsc |
| [00:03:10] | sphery: | (the whole "but it works, even with a woefully underpowered system" part :) |
| [00:03:26] | mycoDA: | meh – athlon64 isnt underpowered |
| [00:03:31] | mycoDA: | nore is core2 |
| [00:03:35] | mycoDA: | *nor |
| [00:03:37] | sphery: | right, those are good |
| [00:03:46] | mycoDA: | and they are old hand me downs now |
| [00:04:00] | sphery: | but I mean that a ton of people come in here with P3 and P4 hand me downs that they shouldn't even attempt to use with MythTV |
| [00:04:08] | mycoDA: | yup |
| [00:04:10] | sphery: | or Atom-based "new-me-downs" |
| [00:04:19] | mycoDA: | tho i started learing myth on one on 0.20 |
| [00:04:28] | mycoDA: | *learning |
| [00:04:40] | sphery: | yeah, well, when 0.20 was around, that was a more appropriate choice |
| [00:05:05] | mycoDA: | point was about using what you have over spending $250 on a hdhomerun anyway |
| [00:05:13] | mycoDA: | esp if you are housebound |
| [00:05:28] | kormoc: | meh |
| [00:05:44] | mycoDA: | i personally wouldnt pay for TV with 15 channels avail, but others are worse off and couchbound |
| [00:05:44] | kormoc: | if you're housebound you don't need time shifting |
| [00:05:47] | wagnerrp: | mycoDA: the point was that even if you are just replacing a single cable box, thats a year and a half to pay off the hauppauge dual tuner |
| [00:06:10] | mycoDA: | thats a year and a half without tv |
| [00:06:19] | mycoDA: | just saying it isnt that simple |
| [00:06:20] | wagnerrp: | no, thats two months without tv |
| [00:06:43] | mycoDA: | (2011-08–30 10:05:17) kormoc: if you're housebound you don't need time shifting << everyone kjnows all the good shows are on that the same time |
| [00:06:49] | kormoc: | mycoDA, you're no worse off then before you bought the tuner |
| [00:06:51] | wagnerrp: | because in order to get a cable box with firewire support, youre talking about a $70+/mo cable bill |
| [00:07:04] | mycoDA: | plus there iwll be time when even the couch is too hard and you miss your faves |
| [00:07:12] | kormoc: | the pure fact that you can live with how you've lived for a time and save up to improve your situation |
| [00:07:29] | kormoc: | the idea that you're entitled to better then you have now no matter what is absurd to me |
| [00:07:30] | mycoDA: | we can live without electricity too |
| [00:07:39] | kormoc: | yes, and people do when they can't afford it |
| [00:07:43] | mycoDA: | was an awesome thing when it arived |
| [00:07:56] | mycoDA: | point is – not easy to go back |
| [00:08:01] | kormoc: | back? |
| [00:08:07] | kormoc: | you haven't gone forward yet! |
| [00:08:12] | kormoc: | they haven't lost anything yet |
| [00:08:15] | sphery: | So, U-verse TV... $29/mo for 6mos with DVR included and no activation fee, then it goes to normal price after 6mos, where, presumably, normal price is what a cable subscriber is used to paying, anyway |
| [00:08:16] | kormoc: | they just don't want to wait to get more |
| [00:08:35] | sphery: | and, TTBOMK, U-verse DVRs feature 4 channel concurrent recording and allow playback on any DVR in the house |
| [00:08:37] | mycoDA: | huh?? |
| [00:08:56] | sphery: | so I really think that cable-co and such DVRs are /much/ cheaper than MythTV |
| [00:09:11] | kormoc: | mycoDA, this house bound person that's currently deciding to get a hdpvr now or a cable box now hasn't lost anything. They're as they were last month, and the month previous, etc |
| [00:09:26] | kormoc: | mycoDA, they're just impatient about getting more then they have, not losing anything |
| [00:09:50] | mycoDA: | was about going from firewire to a hd homerun kormoc |
| [00:10:07] | kormoc: | mycoDA, and they can save up until they can get a hd homerun |
| [00:10:16] | kormoc: | they don't lose anything |
| [00:10:19] | mycoDA: | some people just dont have upfront cash |
| [00:10:27] | kormoc: | what part about save up don't you understand |
| [00:10:37] | kormoc: | They keep on keeping on until they can afford the switch |
| [00:10:45] | kormoc: | it's just not instant gratification |
| [00:11:10] | kormoc: | if myth drops support, just stop upgrading myth until you're able to afford the switch |
| [00:11:27] | kormoc: | it won't just magically stop working |
| [00:13:10] | wagnerrp: | and IF we do drop it, it will be handled like XvMC was |
| [00:13:24] | wagnerrp: | with a warning nearly a year ahead of time |
| [00:14:06] | mycoDA: | fair enuf |
| [00:14:32] | mycoDA: | was more worried about the foolishness comments than the dropping |
| [00:15:06] | wagnerrp: | and that would be the argument, anyone currently using firewire would be better off in the long run with a cablecard tuner |
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| [00:15:11] | wagnerrp: | (except perhaps canadians) |
| [00:15:36] | ** StevenR wonders if there's a decent tuner he can buy (dual tuner, PCI, is what I'm looking for – one that isn't usb-pci ideally) ** | |
| [00:15:38] | kormoc: | I don't recall FireWire working with most (any?) of the Canadian options |
| [00:15:53] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro thinks GreyFoxx is using it |
| [00:15:58] | kormoc: | huh, fair 'nuff |
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| [00:16:54] | iamlindoro: | His provider is, IIRC, Eastlink, which he had mentioned leaves more channels/programs non-5C |
| [00:17:17] | iamlindoro: | er most |
| [00:19:23] | likwid--_: | so, say you get hbo on your cable card, you aren't going to be able to pull hbo through myth right? |
| [00:19:32] | kormoc: | unlikely |
| [00:19:55] | wagnerrp: | for any channel not marked copy-freely, you will need to use analog capture and a cable box |
| [00:19:57] | wagnerrp: | same as before |
| [00:20:21] | likwid--_: | do regular stb dvrs let you record hbo? |
| [00:20:31] | likwid--_: | (never had one wouldnt know) |
| [00:20:39] | wagnerrp: | that depends |
| [00:20:44] | wagnerrp: | if its copy once, you can record |
| [00:21:00] | wagnerrp: | if its copy never, they generally only enable short term live access |
| [00:21:13] | iamlindoro: | http://pastebin.com/c08e6Trz |
| [00:21:14] | iamlindoro: | doink |
| [00:21:15] | wagnerrp: | tivo handles it by allowing a 90-minute rolling window to access the content |
| [00:21:35] | wagnerrp: | you can only pause for up to 90 minutes, at which point its starts slowly deleting |
| [00:21:41] | likwid--_: | ahhhhh |
| [00:21:59] | likwid--_: | ok. how it was preventing it is what i couldnt grasp |
| [00:22:13] | likwid--_: | and tivo has relationships with the cableco's to define that in code |
| [00:22:29] | wagnerrp: | tivo spent a lot of money on cable labs to get their certification |
| [00:23:06] | wagnerrp: | the hdhomerun prime has actually been production ready for over a year now |
| [00:23:19] | wagnerrp: | they submitted patches to mythtv to add support way back in last april |
| [00:23:29] | wagnerrp: | and a number of their techs have been using it since then |
| [00:23:49] | wagnerrp: | but they only got their production license from cable labs a couple months ago |
| [00:24:11] | wagnerrp: | rather than have to go through all that trouble themselves |
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| [00:24:21] | wagnerrp: | the hauppauge tuner is basically identical to the hdhomerun |
| [00:24:31] | wagnerrp: | but connects over usb and has one tuner (of three) disabled |
| [00:24:47] | likwid--_: | but the hdhomerun prime still wont let you watch hbo because theres no way to limit recording |
| [00:25:12] | wagnerrp: | yes, the hdhomerun prime will let you watch hbo, when using a cable labs certified piece of software |
| [00:25:21] | wagnerrp: | currently, the only certified software is microsoft |
| [00:25:25] | likwid--_: | oh balls |
| [00:25:29] | wagnerrp: | who spent a lot of money to get their license |
| [00:25:44] | wagnerrp: | anyone else only gets the copy-freely content |
| [00:26:00] | k-man: | What is to stop someone reverse engineering that? |
| [00:26:06] | wagnerrp: | the DMCA |
| [00:26:38] | wagnerrp: | and a whole fleet of industry funded lawyers, eager to put you in federal pound-you-in-the-a-- prison |
| [00:27:03] | iamlindoro: | Not to mention the DRM being extremely non-trivial |
| [00:28:48] | wagnerrp: | the bigger issue is that if you break the DRM, you also break the conditional access system |
| [00:29:19] | wagnerrp: | so while you're opening up the ability to access content you subscribe to through whatever application you want |
| [00:29:30] | wagnerrp: | you also open up the ability to access content you DONT subscribe to |
| [00:29:42] | wagnerrp: | and mythtv will have no part in that |
| [00:29:53] | wagnerrp: | its the same reason why we refuse to support softcams for DVB |
| [00:32:03] | likwid--_: | so whats it take to get a cable labs certified piece of software |
| [00:32:21] | iamlindoro: | For them to close their source, and spend a few million bucks |
| [00:32:25] | likwid--_: | ew |
| [00:32:35] | wagnerrp: | open source cannot implement any form of DRM, period |
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| [00:33:10] | k-man: | wagnerrp: I was just curious as to how the prevent it. I'm not advocating anyone should |
| [00:33:31] | wagnerrp: | k-man: i realize that |
| [00:33:39] | wagnerrp: | its just that if you break it a little, you break the whole thing |
| [00:33:53] | wagnerrp: | which has all sorts of legitimately illegal implications |
| [00:33:58] | wagnerrp: | besides just DMCA violations |
| [00:34:40] | wagnerrp: | likwid--_: DRM is the practice of giving the user the content, and the keys, and then somehow making sure the user cant touch either |
| [00:34:56] | wagnerrp: | the only way you can accomplish that is by keeping the application outside of the control of the user |
| [00:35:09] | wagnerrp: | if the user compiles that application, they can change the source to do whatever they want |
| [00:35:25] | wagnerrp: | including simply disabling any sort of protection mechanisms |
| [00:35:51] | wagnerrp: | everything that touches the unencrypted video must be a binary |
| [00:36:09] | iamlindoro: | Heh, guy on the SiliconDust claiming Newegg delivered his HDHR Prime, and that someone stole it from the porch, and suggesting that SD should replace it |
| [00:36:26] | iamlindoro: | because that, if true, is somehow SD's responsibility to fix |
| [00:37:29] | wagnerrp: | you know, sometimes i wish fedex/ups had the option of keeping stuff at their warehouse |
| [00:37:36] | wagnerrp: | so i could stop in any time of the day and pick it up |
| [00:37:53] | wagnerrp: | as opposed to between 6–7, after the trucks have returned, but before they close for the night |
| [00:38:45] | wagnerrp: | there was supposed to be some DX:HR announcement an hour and a half ago |
| [00:38:50] | wagnerrp: | i should check to see what it was |
| [00:38:52] | tgm4883: | wagnerrp, delivery at work? |
| [00:39:15] | sphery: | Deus Ex, something, I think |
| [00:39:33] | iamlindoro: | Human Revolution |
| [00:39:33] | sphery: | ahhh, you were talking about the lines before that |
| [00:39:46] | wagnerrp: | i mean there was some ticker in the main menu of the game that i noticed last night |
| [00:39:57] | wagnerrp: | said... something... would happen at 11PM GMT |
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| [00:42:52] | sphery: | maybe those revolting humans are up to something |
| [00:47:21] | likwid--_: | whats this tuning adapter im reading about on the sd forums in regards to the hdhomerun primes? is that required? |
| [00:49:08] | iamlindoro: | Only if your cable system utilizes Switched Digital Video |
| [00:49:27] | iamlindoro: | in which case your cable box requires a tuning adapter too |
| [00:50:21] | likwid--_: | oh. yea then no worries then. sweet. |
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| [01:04:22] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I'm thinking of changing our language check to look for UTF-8 somewhere in the variables (I'm adding a couple other variables to the check)... thoughts? |
| [01:19:35] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: if there was an issue with delivery, the sender (newegg) is responsible for filing the claim with the shipper – wonder why he isn't complaining to newegg? |
| [01:19:54] | iamlindoro: | Because he's lying |
| [01:20:23] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: you can ask UPS/FedEx to hold a package at their facitily, but you have to call after it's shipped and before it's put on the local truck for delivery |
| [01:20:59] | sphery: | skd5aner: I was told I they couldn't make the change until after the first delivery attempt |
| [01:21:05] | mycoDA: | or just retarded |
| [01:21:08] | skd5aner: | wagnerrp: for some reason, I believe UPS is a little harder to deal with in regards to that – I think they have to do a first delivery attempt |
| [01:21:17] | sphery: | i.e. after the first failed delivery attempt, they can put a note on it to leave it at the warehouse for pickup |
| [01:21:21] | skd5aner: | sphery: heh :) |
| [01:21:37] | skd5aner: | but, you can at least call and tell them not to leave it on the doorstep, which they often do anymore |
| [01:22:12] | sphery: | that's cool--it's been a while since I tried because of how much of a pain it was |
| [01:22:23] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: I had an iPod back in 2005 I sent out for repair |
| [01:22:31] | sphery: | might have to try again next time I'm a plane trip away from my scheduled delivery |
| [01:22:47] | sphery: | (annoying to get back to a stack of electronics in rain-soaked boxes on the doorstep) |
| [01:22:59] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: the repair shop sent it back via DHL |
| [01:23:09] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: and DHL delivered an empty box to me :P |
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| [01:24:03] | skd5aner: | iamlindoro: the lady from the repair company told me that this was the 4'th time a customer called in and told her that – she said she had been in contact with internal investigators at DHL who thought someone in the process was probably stealing them |
| [01:24:42] | iamlindoro: | skd5aner: Same guy now claims that someone signed it with his name |
| [01:24:45] | skd5aner: | they replaced the iPod for me, but it was pretty frustrating |
| [01:25:07] | iamlindoro: | He may not be guilty, but circumstances sure make him look that way |
| [01:25:27] | skd5aner: | yea – I still wouldn't understand why he'd think it'd be SD's responsibility? |
| [01:40:49] | wagnerrp: | sphery: go for it |
| [01:41:06] | wagnerrp: | the check was just something i threw together (apparently poorly) |
| [01:43:06] | iamlindoro: | Meh, we've all missed a null check now and again :) |
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| [01:45:40] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh, not poorly--I just thought of the extra variables after you mentioned it |
| [01:45:55] | sphery: | and, yeah, the null check isn't a big deal |
| [01:45:59] | sphery: | (but it's gone in my version :) |
| [01:46:11] | wagnerrp: | well, its gone in trunk anyway |
| [01:47:02] | sphery: | no, I mean I'm removing the null check that was added to keep it from crashing on an unset var |
| [01:47:23] | sphery: | (and not just because I would love to refuse to run in an improperly configured environment :) |
| [01:47:45] | sphery: | since I'm doing a more heavy-weight check, I'm actually switching it to use QString, so we won't need the null checks |
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| [01:59:31] | sphery: | wagnerrp: thanks for the idea for the codeset check... regardless of how often I've told people to fix their configs on list, I had never thought to actually check it and warn |
| [01:59:53] | sphery: | so glad you put one in for me to extend |
| [02:00:16] | wagnerrp: | wait, are you actually taking my idea and running with it |
| [02:00:22] | wagnerrp: | something seems... so... backwards |
| [02:00:23] | wagnerrp: | :P |
| [02:00:58] | sphery: | hehe |
| [02:01:22] | wagnerrp: | beirdo, quick, someone must have crossed the streams |
| [02:01:27] | wagnerrp: | got anything you want done? |
| [02:01:34] | sphery: | well, to be fair, I only make other people run with my ideas when my ideas involve lots of work |
| [02:01:55] | sphery: | extending this one wasn't a lot of work, so I didn't need to shop around for someone to implement it :) |
| [02:02:34] | sphery: | btw, the "test-run" DB initialization rollup is fast approaching top of my TODO |
| [02:02:41] | sphery: | (then I'll do another right before release) |
| [02:03:10] | sphery: | can't have you saying, "I don't see why we don't always do a rollup before release," anymore, after 0.25 is out |
| [02:03:45] | wagnerrp: | i mean i understand its a decent amount of work, and it makes no sense to do it after every schema update |
| [02:04:09] | wagnerrp: | but at least for the individual releases, its just something ive always found odd |
| [02:04:55] | sphery: | it's actually not much work at all |
| [02:05:03] | sphery: | just tedious testing |
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| [02:05:26] | sphery: | main reason I've never done it before was because jannau used to do it, so I was leaving it to him |
| [02:05:36] | sphery: | but now, I feel it's fine for me to pick up the responsibility and run with it |
| [02:05:58] | wagnerrp: | well thats what i mean, its tedious |
| [02:06:45] | sphery: | so, it's very high on my todo list, now, but I think dinner is just ahead of it |
| [02:07:24] | wagnerrp: | you could always whip up a cheap little application that runs against an existing database, builds a fresh new one, and compares the two |
| [02:08:03] | sphery: | I was just going to compare DB backups--since mysqldump outputs in the same order |
| [02:08:03] | wagnerrp: | just make sure the one being built is the same as the one that gets generated fresh |
| [02:08:14] | sphery: | just use diff on them |
| [02:08:36] | wagnerrp: | you can have mysqldump output structure only? |
| [02:08:47] | sphery: | yeah |
| [02:08:52] | sphery: | that's how we make the code |
| [02:09:45] | sphery: | https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/blob/master/ . . . ck.cpp#L5866 |
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| [02:10:06] | sphery: | I've updated that command a couple times... it actually "generates" the C code for us |
| [02:10:31] | sphery: | thus, not a lot of work--just annoying to test |
| [02:10:42] | sphery: | (and a bit scary to do :) |
| [02:11:17] | ** sphery grumbles about how I'm half way there, now, so might as well just generate a rollup ** | |
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| [02:20:53] | wagnerrp: | crap |
| [02:21:07] | wagnerrp: | i was thinking of reworking something the other night, and now i cant remember what |
| [02:27:14] | sphery: | heh, got the patch done |
| [02:27:40] | sphery: | but funny enough, mysqldump now does DEFAULT in caps and either jannau's did lower case or he modified it, so it looks like I'm changing way more than I am |
| [02:30:53] | wagnerrp: | i was thinking of the comparison operators in the bindings |
| [02:31:37] | wagnerrp: | the stuff that allow recordings, videos, guide data, etc... to all be compared against each other |
| [02:32:44] | sphery: | cool |
| [02:33:45] | wagnerrp: | right now, its just a simple chanid/starttime, falling through to title/subtitle if those dont exist |
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| [03:53:13] | ** sphery dedicates 10c6d570 wagnerrp ** | |
| [03:53:53] | sphery: | (and wonders if wagnerrp is going to make dinner since I did that update instead of getting dinner) |
| [03:56:40] | wagnerrp: | bah, now i have to merge in your commit before i can push this schema change |
| [03:56:44] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [04:04:01] | sphery: | hehe |
| [04:05:52] | wagnerrp: | so was this practice for the freeze? |
| [04:11:37] | sphery: | pretty much, yeah |
| [04:12:56] | sphery: | not likely to get all that much testing before the freeze, but figured it's slightly higher chance than if I don't do a dry run |
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| [04:17:17] | shiggity: | k so I'm still trying to get this annoying thing working |
| [04:17:37] | shiggity: | the database is working, since I was finally able to get mythfilldatabase to DL guide data |
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| [04:19:40] | shiggity: | though mythtv frontend is still complaining of the tuners being active albeit there being no recordings when I try and go to live tv |
| [04:20:23] | shiggity: | that and I can't write to /home/mythtv/* |
| [04:20:25] | shiggity: | >_> |
| [04:20:37] | sphery: | that usually means that none of your defined capture cards are actually usable |
| [04:20:47] | sphery: | possibly because of broken configuration |
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| [04:20:54] | shiggity: | I've redone it so many times |
| [04:21:00] | sphery: | and I still suggest you have it put recordings somewhere else |
| [04:21:09] | shiggity: | well I can't right now |
| [04:21:14] | shiggity: | so that's out of the question |
| [04:21:15] | sphery: | server data doesn't belong in user home dirs :) |
| [04:21:26] | shiggity: | well I have other choice |
| [04:21:35] | shiggity: | I don't have the money for a new HDD of the size I'd want right now |
| [04:21:56] | sphery: | well, this costs $0 -> sudo mkdir -p /srv/mythtv |
| [04:22:58] | sphery: | or, better: sudo install -d -m775 -o mythtv -g mythtv /srv/mythtv |
| [04:23:23] | shiggity: | invalid group mythtv |
| [04:23:44] | sphery: | well, whatever group your distro uses... maybe users? |
| [04:23:47] | sphery: | (after the -g) |
| [04:24:04] | shiggity: | ok that worked |
| [04:24:16] | shiggity: | lessee if I can write to it now |
| [04:24:24] | sphery: | then change your storage group to use /srv/mythtv in mythtv-setup |
| [04:25:15] | sphery: | also, this is assuming that you actually want to write recordings to the same file system that contains /srv (or, if it didn't exist before, the same file system that contains the root directory) |
| [04:25:44] | sphery: | if you have a separate disk, you'll want to mount things properly to allow using that file system at /srv/mythtv |
| [04:26:09] | sphery: | oh, and you can create subdirs for different stuff in /srv/mythtv... I have dirs for tv, videos, music, etc. |
| [04:29:00] | shiggity: | yeah it's not wrtiteable |
| [04:29:26] | westlock: | http://ioio.ca/2250log5 |
| [04:29:39] | sphery: | who's running mythtv-setup? |
| [04:29:49] | shiggity: | my user shiggity |
| [04:29:51] | westlock: | Just don't recieve the actual video with these two 2250 cards. |
| [04:30:03] | shiggity: | I think |
| [04:30:23] | sphery: | is that user going to run mythbackend? if not, you need to run mythtv-setup as the user who will run mythbackend |
| [04:30:42] | sphery: | I had assumed a mythtv user would run it |
| [04:30:51] | shiggity: | I run Gentoo btw |
| [04:32:04] | westlock: | And I might add probably not a good idea to have mysql.txt files in different directories and be sure of the one it is pulling the data from. |
| [04:32:35] | sphery: | westlock: your capture card setup is broken... it's specifying invalid inputs--seems to be mising up ivtv and dvb devices |
| [04:33:06] | westlock: | Also make sure to go through and check to make sure the front end is defined properly. Are you clicking "Custom Frontend Identifier" and is that clearly defined by the user? |
| [04:33:21] | sphery: | westlock: do a Delete all capture cards, then re-create capture cards, re-connect inputs, then try again (don't need to redo video sources or scan for channels or anything, yet) |
| [04:35:27] | westlock: | Wait !!! Your saying these things should be showing up in add new capture device area as IVTV cards. They only show as DVB the rest fail to probe. Do I have to manually enter that cause I think I have read that on occassion. I was only trying to get the digital side of these working but if I have to go the analog route with all the tuners that is fine too. |
| [04:35:54] | westlock: | Is there something else to apt-get regarding IVTV? |
| [04:37:20] | sphery: | I'm saying that the following lines make it look like you have half set up MPEG-2 and/or inputs, possibly specifying the wrong card type |
| [04:37:24] | sphery: | 2011-08–29 14:50:30.122 DVBChannel: Could not find input: DVBInput on card when setting channel 1 |
| [04:37:28] | sphery: | 2011-08–29 14:50:30.122 DVBChannel: Could not find input: DVBInput on card when setting channel 1 |
| [04:37:32] | sphery: | 2011-08–29 14:50:30.096 TVRec(5) Error: Start channel invalid, setting to '1' on input MPEG2 instead. |
| [04:37:38] | sphery: | oops, had those out of order |
| [04:38:06] | sphery: | for the digital inputs, you want DVB type |
| [04:38:34] | sphery: | for the analog inputs (if they work), you want IVTV MPEG-2 encoder card |
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| [04:38:49] | sphery: | DVB type = DVB DTV capture card (v3.x) |
| [04:39:08] | Shiggs|MB: | okay FINALLY my directories are writeable to |
| [04:39:27] | Shiggs|MB: | I'm redoing my input connections to see if I can finally progress farther |
| [04:40:08] | sphery: | good luck |
| [04:40:55] | westlock: | Okay so the thing is under /dev/devices I have adapter0 adapter1 adapter2 adpater3 directores. |
| [04:41:17] | Shiggs|MB: | sphery: thanks |
| [04:41:28] | sphery: | ok, so set it up as a DVB DTV capture card (v3.x) |
| [04:42:27] | Shiggs|MB: | I wish I could afford full blown cable and an HDHomeRun Prime with a cablecard right about now >_> |
| [04:42:37] | Shiggs|MB: | my family doesn't watch enough TV to make that worth it though |
| [04:42:43] | westlock: | Each card has two tuners and analog side and a digital side. So far as I know these cards wont do analog unless I download and make the analog drivers. I was attempting to hot shot them in there with only the digital working and see if that sufficed. Apparently I'm not affluent in recreating the input groups. I end up leaving the input groups as generic. I feel this is where I am going wrong. |
| [04:43:26] | sphery: | generic should be fine as long as you don't even set up the analog side |
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| [04:43:45] | westlock: | They are currently set up as DVB capture cards (v3.x). It is the only one that probes. But I only ever make two (2) DVB connections. |
| [04:44:09] | westlock: | I make adapter0 and adapter1 only. |
| [04:44:18] | westlock: | I feel I make error there. |
| [04:44:28] | westlock: | Should I be setting up 4 adapters? |
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| [04:45:03] | sphery: | you have 2 2250's? |
| [04:45:08] | westlock: | Correct |
| [04:45:13] | sphery: | then, yeah |
| [04:45:28] | westlock: | Okay so setup all to be dvb captures. Got it. |
| [04:45:28] | sphery: | each has 2 digital tuners |
| [04:45:33] | sphery: | yeah |
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| [04:46:20] | westlock: | I will comply with recreation of two additional adapters and do channel scans with cable and QAM(256) on them as well? |
| [04:47:13] | westlock: | Or do I only need one set of channels scanned. Having duplicates is redundent I feel. I have two sets of schedules in my web front end. |
| [04:47:50] | westlock: | But if I don't scan them I get errors because I can't start the cards because no channel is set. |
| [04:48:22] | sphery: | only one channel scan/only one MythTV video source |
| [04:48:52] | westlock: | I see so somehow through setting them up make them all go out one video source. |
| [04:49:00] | sphery: | if you've made multiple video sources, you should do Delete all video sources, then re-create one, then scan channels into it |
| [04:49:15] | sphery: | then set up your xmltvids and then run mythfilldatabase |
| [04:50:14] | westlock: | I am following you sphery. I will attempt those actions now. I am unclear on xmlvids though. Does that relate to my schedules direct RAW XML data? |
| [04:50:44] | sphery: | yes, but you can get the values off the schedules direct website |
| [04:51:49] | sphery: | westlock: ignore everything about the frontend channel editor (I recommend using MythWeb channel editor for updating your xmltvids) but this has a good description: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frontend_Channel_Editor |
| [04:51:49] | westlock: | Please Extrapolate on that procedure for me. Normally I log in there and there are very few options. One is go to line support and above the text box is a link to get a RAW feed. Otherwise I'm lost there. |
| [04:53:05] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/XMLTV_ID talks about how to get the xmltvid's from schedules direct website |
| [04:53:10] | sphery: | westlock: ^^^ |
| [04:53:36] | westlock: | Okay let me understand this. Once and only once the channel scan (cable – QAM(256) is done then go back and hit the "Fetch Channel listing source" button. Yeah I know its fabulous. Just started reading it. |
| [04:54:36] | sphery: | that may work--but you may end up with duplicate channels (which will mess things up) if your cable co doesn't provide sufficient information (or the right information) about your channels to match them with the schedules direct data |
| [04:54:58] | westlock: | Okay I'm 100% on this. I'll give the aformentioned a go. |
| [04:55:02] | sphery: | if you have dups, you'll have to fix them manually using the mythtv-setup channel editor to delete the "empty" copies of the channels |
| [04:55:19] | sphery: | and then manually fill in xmltvid for the channels that weren't properly set up |
| [04:55:38] | sphery: | or you can just manually fill in the xmltvid before ever running mythfilldatabase, and be sure it does it right |
| [04:55:43] | westlock: | Back in a few minutes after I've made changes. |
| [04:55:49] | sphery: | good luck |
| [04:55:52] | westlock: | I can fine tune the xtmlvid after correct. |
| [04:57:31] | Shiggs|MB: | bah.... the frontend still complains of tuners being active with no recordings going |
| [04:57:35] | Shiggs|MB: | all else is better now |
| [05:00:29] | westlock: | Hmm, lol I had no input connections defined for one. |
| [05:00:53] | westlock: | Either that or I just deleted them. Must have been what happened just now. |
| [05:01:29] | Shiggs|MB: | sphery: here's a new oddity: it complains of no inputs being available, but in the system status it says none of the tuners are recording |
| [05:02:11] | Shiggs|MB: | would assigning the same video source to both tuners do it? |
| [05:02:29] | sphery: | Shiggs|MB: when you go to Manage Recordings|Schedule Recordings|Program Guide, do you see any channels? |
| [05:03:16] | Shiggs|MB: | checking |
| [05:03:55] | Shiggs|MB: | yep! |
| [05:03:59] | Shiggs|MB: | I see channels |
| [05:04:10] | sphery: | then chances are your capture cards aren't actually usable by mythtv |
| [05:04:22] | Shiggs|MB: | >_> |
| [05:04:22] | sphery: | meaning that it doesn't haver permission to open devices or similar |
| [05:04:30] | Shiggs|MB: | it's an HD HomeRun |
| [05:04:34] | Shiggs|MB: | it's compatible |
| [05:05:07] | sphery: | ok, since it's not local devices, that likely means network is misconfigured or something and it can't actually talk to them |
| [05:05:14] | Shiggs|MB: | >_> |
| [05:05:16] | sphery: | not saying it's not compatible, just not usable |
| [05:05:18] | Shiggs|MB: | that doesn't make sense |
| [05:05:20] | sphery: | with the current configuration |
| [05:05:22] | Shiggs|MB: | hmm |
| [05:05:32] | sphery: | likely low level config |
| [05:05:35] | sphery: | lower than mythtv |
| [05:05:52] | Shiggs|MB: | O_o; |
| [05:06:02] | k-man: | have you tested receiving outside of mythtv on this system? |
| [05:06:26] | Shiggs|MB: | it works with Windows Media Center just fine |
| [05:06:29] | Shiggs|MB: | I've used that in the past |
| [05:06:35] | Shiggs|MB: | though I don't like the format it records in |
| [05:06:59] | sphery: | he means try a non-mythtv app on the same gentoo system |
| [05:07:02] | k-man: | but have you tested it on this OS outside of mythtv? |
| [05:07:09] | sphery: | to see if the configuration is ok to allow this system to access it |
| [05:07:31] | Shiggs|MB: | I have a friend who's got this working just fine on a comparable system running Gentoo |
| [05:07:35] | k-man: | I suppose a good start would be to test if you can at least ping the hdhr |
| [05:07:36] | Shiggs|MB: | so I'm sure it's just permissions to the app |
| [05:07:40] | Shiggs|MB: | ok |
| [05:07:55] | Shiggs|MB: | getting responses just fine |
| [05:08:17] | k-man: | and you are sure it is the hdhr's ip you are pinging? |
| [05:08:27] | Shiggs|MB: | yep |
| [05:08:28] | Shiggs|MB: | AsahinaMikuru mythtv # ping 192.168.25.109 |
| [05:08:28] | Shiggs|MB: | PING 192.168.25.109 (192.168.25.109) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| [05:08:28] | Shiggs|MB: | 64 bytes from 192.168.25.109: icmp_req=1 ttl=64 time=0.435 ms |
| [05:08:28] | Shiggs|MB: | 64 bytes from 192.168.25.109: icmp_req=2 ttl=64 time=0.132 ms |
| [05:08:28] | Shiggs|MB: | 64 bytes from 192.168.25.109: icmp_req=3 ttl=64 time=0.150 ms |
| [05:08:33] | Shiggs|MB: | and so on |
| [05:08:56] | Shiggs|MB: | should I get the latest firmware for it? |
| [05:08:58] | k-man: | that was 2 lines too many to paste to the channel |
| [05:09:25] | Shiggs|MB: | ok well it's responding fine |
| [05:10:10] | k-man: | is this a fe/be machine or what? |
| [05:10:34] | Shiggs|MB: | ya fe and be are on the same machine |
| [05:10:43] | Shiggs|MB: | it's on the machine shiggity is on |
| [05:11:21] | Shiggs|MB: | this is my laptop and shiggity is on a Core i5–2500k |
| [05:11:33] | Shiggs|MB: | MB = MacBook |
| [05:11:40] | k-man: | so were you pinging the hdhr from shiggity or from your laptop? |
| [05:11:51] | Shiggs|MB: | laptop |
| [05:11:55] | Shiggs|MB: | good point |
| [05:11:59] | Shiggs|MB: | actually |
| [05:12:06] | Shiggs|MB: | ssh'd into the i5 from the laptop |
| [05:12:41] | k-man: | it is confusing if you call each machine several names. can you just stick to the host names? |
| [05:12:59] | Shiggs|MB: | well I was referring to connect iRC nicks |
| [05:13:19] | k-man: | ok, so can you ping the hdhr from shiggity? |
| [05:13:39] | Shiggs|MB: | I just told you that I can, though I'm SSH'd into it from here on my laptop |
| [05:13:57] | Shiggs|MB: | I can try it locally, but I don't think that'd make a differnce |
| [05:14:06] | k-man: | no, it won't |
| [05:14:32] | Shiggs|MB: | should I try and get the latest firmware? |
| [05:14:42] | k-man: | I don't think that will help at this stage |
| [05:14:54] | Shiggs|MB: | ok |
| [05:14:58] | Shiggs|MB: | I know my HDHR works |
| [05:15:04] | Shiggs|MB: | I can reboot it |
| [05:15:15] | k-man: | I think you need to prove you can receive data from the hdhr on shiggity outside of mythtv |
| [05:15:38] | k-man: | I forget what the options are for doing that with the hdhr |
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| [05:16:08] | Shiggs|MB: | hmm |
| [05:17:23] | Shiggs|MB: | k-man: I can use the HDHR Config app and VLC to test signals and stations |
| [05:17:53] | k-man: | Shiggs|MB, ah ok – can you do that and verify that you can tune and watch tv |
| [05:18:01] | shiggity: | sure |
| [05:22:19] | shiggity: | haha I was just watching a clip of Texas Ranger in Spanish |
| [05:22:47] | k-man: | so on shiggity you were able to tune and watch tv from the hdhr? |
| [05:23:22] | shiggity: | yup |
| [05:23:27] | shiggity: | the config ui |
| [05:23:40] | k-man: | ok, seems like its time to test in mythtv |
| [05:23:49] | k-man: | does mythtv-setup detect the hdhrs? |
| [05:24:11] | shiggity: | yup |
| [05:27:38] | k-man: | ok |
| [05:27:47] | k-man: | and you configured them in mythtv? |
| [05:27:55] | Shiggs|MB: | yep |
| [05:27:59] | Shiggs|MB: | or so I think |
| [05:28:15] | k-man: | ok, and you did a channel scan? |
| [05:28:35] | Shiggs|MB: | yep |
| [05:28:42] | Shiggs|MB: | it finds 26 channels |
| [05:28:50] | k-man: | ok, is mythtv-setup still running? |
| [05:28:54] | Shiggs|MB: | ATSC ones since I'm using us-bcast |
| [05:28:58] | Shiggs|MB: | yes it is |
| [05:29:06] | k-man: | ok, quit that then fire up the frontend |
| [05:29:27] | Shiggs|MB: | ok it's running |
| [05:29:30] | Shiggs|MB: | the frontend |
| [05:29:36] | k-man: | and you quit mythtv-setup? |
| [05:29:48] | Shiggs|MB: | yep |
| [05:29:55] | k-man: | ok, can you watch tv? |
| [05:30:00] | k-man: | or see anything in the epg? |
| [05:30:11] | Shiggs|MB: | I can see stuff in the EPG |
| [05:30:28] | Shiggs|MB: | though it complains of all inputs in use with no recordings active |
| [05:31:17] | k-man: | what version of mythtv is this? |
| [05:31:35] | Shiggs|MB: | an ebuild from the Gentoo ebuild tree or w/e |
| [05:31:46] | Shiggs|MB: | 0.24.1-fixes |
| [05:32:20] | k-man: | ok, I'm out of ideas except for running mythtv-frontend with all the logging turned on and pasting the output somewhere |
| [05:32:58] | Shiggs|MB: | isn't the logging on by default? |
| [05:34:19] | sphery: | it always logs somewhere... but depending on your start script, that somewhere may be /dev/null |
| [05:34:36] | sphery: | you can start mythbackend with -l to specify a log file location |
| [05:35:19] | k-man: | sphery, what verbose options would be best for this case? |
| [05:35:33] | k-man: | -v channelscan,extra maybe? |
| [05:35:34] | sphery: | start with default and we can add more if we need it |
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| [05:36:02] | sphery: | much easier than trying to find important info buried in thousands of lines of excess info |
| [05:36:09] | k-man: | yeah ok |
| [05:36:58] | k-man: | Shiggs|MB, so run mythfrontend -l mythtv.log then wait till you get the error and paste log file please |
| [05:37:04] | k-man: | err... paste it to a pastebin |
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| [05:39:45] | k-man: | does gentoo do any weird stuff to how mythtv runs? |
| [05:40:09] | k-man: | like putting files in weird places, or renaming mythfrontend to something else and placing a script in the way |
| [05:40:17] | Shiggs|MB: | not that I can see |
| [05:40:45] | wagnerrp: | the only 'weird' thing it does is override $HOME to /etc/mythtv |
| [05:41:07] | k-man: | yeah that seems weird |
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| [05:42:35] | shiggity: | http://pastebin.com/y0mfk3PD |
| [05:42:43] | shiggity: | take a gander at that |
| [05:43:09] | shiggity: | I started the BE, then the FE, and It tried to load up some live tv |
| [05:43:16] | shiggity: | and I* |
| [05:43:23] | wagnerrp: | so, youre not using the init scripts? |
| [05:43:38] | Shiggs|MB: | well I am partually |
| [05:43:41] | Shiggs|MB: | partially* |
| [05:43:48] | wagnerrp: | not according to that log |
| [05:43:52] | Shiggs|MB: | ... |
| [05:45:02] | k-man: | which init scripts? |
| [05:45:10] | wagnerrp: | the ones to start the backend |
| [05:45:18] | shiggity: | shiggity@AsahinaMikuru /usr/bin $ sudo rc-config start mythbackend |
| [05:45:19] | shiggity: | Starting init script |
| [05:45:19] | shiggity: | * Starting MythTV Backend ... |
| [05:46:27] | wagnerrp: | and that will run as user 'mythtv', and log to /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log |
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| [05:49:33] | sphery: | and note that that backend log doesn't show any clients connected--meaning the frontend may not have been talking to that backend |
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| [05:50:37] | Shiggs|MB: | ok so how do we correct that? |
| [05:50:56] | wagnerrp: | can i see the log in /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log |
| [05:51:00] | shiggity: | sure |
| [05:51:06] | sphery: | so, is this a dedicated mythtv box or one that you're using for non-mythtv things? If dedicated, you could always just install a mythtv distro on it--like mythbuntu or linhes or ... Could probablby be up and running in a couple hours compared to the (how many) days you've been working to set this up :) |
| [05:51:27] | shiggity: | heh as I said before I don't have a spare HDD |
| [05:51:47] | shiggity: | this is just a separate HDD on my regular desktop machine, which will become my PVR box when I get my new laptop |
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| [05:53:46] | wagnerrp: | sphery: the logger doesnt do any form of auto-rotation, does it? |
| [05:55:21] | sphery: | no |
| [05:55:30] | sphery: | you need to rotate with a real log rotate program :) |
| [05:55:49] | sphery: | and can send a SIGHUP to daemon programs to re-open logs |
| [05:56:12] | shiggity: | wagnerrp: http://pastebin.ca/2079064 |
| [05:56:58] | wagnerrp: | pastebin.ca? i thought they were dead |
| [05:57:12] | k-man: | seems half dead |
| [05:57:15] | shiggity: | heh yeah |
| [05:57:47] | wagnerrp: | ok, that log looks fine to me |
| [05:57:50] | wagnerrp: | whats the problem? |
| [05:57:53] | shiggity: | yeah so wtf >_> |
| [05:58:04] | sphery: | no clients, though |
| [05:58:07] | shiggity: | yeah |
| [05:58:14] | sphery: | did you start the frontend while grabbing that log? |
| [05:58:17] | shiggity: | ya |
| [05:58:29] | sphery: | it must be talking to a different backend, then |
| [05:58:33] | shiggity: | strange |
| [05:58:47] | wagnerrp: | what are your master and local backend IPs set to? |
| [05:58:54] | shiggity: | the same thing |
| [05:58:55] | k-man: | could you have the mythbackend process running twice or some weird shit? |
| [05:58:58] | sphery: | or if it's not talking to any backend, you should be getting popups about how your master backend isn't running |
| [05:59:01] | shiggity: | 192.168.25.129 |
| [05:59:07] | shiggity: | k-man: no swearing |
| [05:59:07] | shiggity: | :P |
| [05:59:10] | wagnerrp: | k-man: it would try to bind to the same port, fail, and quit |
| [05:59:35] | sphery: | let's see a frontend log |
| [05:59:39] | shiggity: | okay |
| [05:59:45] | shiggity: | or wait |
| [05:59:50] | shiggity: | lemme try something |
| [06:00:13] | wagnerrp: | do or do not, there is no try |
| [06:00:42] | shiggity: | heh |
| [06:00:46] | shiggity: | I have a pin on it |
| [06:01:03] | shiggity: | maybe it's not connecting due to the pin not being sent? |
| [06:01:15] | wagnerrp: | the PIN is used for UPNP autodetection |
| [06:01:36] | wagnerrp: | the pin regulates access to the web page served up by the backend, to get the database credentials |
| [06:01:44] | wagnerrp: | the backend tells frontends how to access the database |
| [06:01:53] | shiggity: | so nothing to do with it? |
| [06:01:53] | wagnerrp: | which in turn tells frontends how to access the backend |
| [06:02:17] | wagnerrp: | no, if your frontend already knows how to access the database, it does nothing |
| [06:03:53] | shiggity: | 2011-08–30 02:03:23.539 MythXMLClient::GetConnectionInfo Failed – (606) Action Not Authorized |
| [06:03:55] | shiggity: | that can't be good |
| [06:05:06] | sphery: | you should set the SecurityPin in ~/.mythtv/config.xml |
| [06:05:16] | shiggity: | ok |
| [06:05:28] | sphery: | (actually, it should be put there after you properly answer the questions the frontend asks with mythfrontend -p ) |
| [06:05:34] | sphery: | or the first time you run mythfrontend |
| [06:05:39] | sphery: | so, try mythfrontend -p |
| [06:05:46] | shiggity: | it sees the backend fine |
| [06:05:58] | shiggity: | when I try and connect it detects the pin and then wont connect when I try |
| [06:06:06] | sphery: | not according to the backend |
| [06:06:12] | sphery: | the logs don't show any connections |
| [06:06:36] | shiggity: | I don't see a section for the PIN |
| [06:06:38] | shiggity: | in the xml |
| [06:07:06] | sphery: | something like: 2011-08–30 00:44:53.731 adding: shiggity as a client (events: 0) |
| [06:07:18] | sphery: | use mythfrontend -p |
| [06:07:21] | shiggity: | rather it detects there's a pin set |
| [06:07:31] | sphery: | it will ask for the info, then write it to the config.xml |
| [06:08:53] | Shiggs|MB: | I don't see anything different |
| [06:08:58] | Shiggs|MB: | no PIN value at all |
| [06:09:43] | shiggity: | 2011-08–30 02:04:35.634 mythfrontend version: fixes/0.24 [v0.24.1-58-g760c8db] www.mythtv.org btw |
| [06:13:33] | westlock: | Myth is failing to open my DVB cards now |
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| [06:14:05] | westlock: | Did that to me before once. |
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| [06:21:29] | westlock: | hmm have to run the thing from the orbitor. |
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| [06:29:56] | Shiggs|MB: | sphery: wagnerrp: would I need to forward any ports? |
| [06:29:59] | Shiggs|MB: | in my router? |
| [06:30:20] | wagnerrp: | are you trying to expose mythtv to the internet? |
| [06:30:26] | Shiggs|MB: | no |
| [06:32:40] | sphery: | how about that frontend log |
| [06:33:13] | shiggity: | I can't get it to log |
| [06:33:24] | k-man: | why not? |
| [06:33:28] | wagnerrp: | how are you running it? |
| [06:33:32] | wagnerrp: | from the command line? |
| [06:33:35] | shiggity: | yea |
| [06:33:43] | shiggity: | mythfrontend -l <logfile> |
| [06:33:51] | wagnerrp: | forget the logfile |
| [06:34:02] | wagnerrp: | just copy the contents of the terminal |
| [06:34:30] | sphery: | (without -l) |
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| [06:36:58] | shiggity: | ok well my database was blocking stuff, but I flushed hosts and that fixed that |
| [06:37:08] | shiggity: | still doesn't explain why my tuners are in use when they're not |
| [06:37:48] | k-man: | shiggity, can you just post the output of the frontend? it would really help |
| [06:39:12] | shiggity: | k |
| [06:41:20] | shiggity: | http://darwinanime.kicks-ass.net/mythfrontend.log\ |
| [06:41:30] | shiggity: | erm with out that forward slash heh |
| [06:42:01] | wagnerrp: | well theres your problem |
| [06:42:04] | shiggity: | wjat |
| [06:42:07] | wagnerrp: | youre trying to connect to port 3306 |
| [06:42:07] | shiggity: | what even |
| [06:42:11] | shiggity: | hmm |
| [06:42:56] | Shiggs|MB: | ok set it to 6543 |
| [06:43:00] | Shiggs|MB: | testing.... |
| [06:43:37] | Shiggs|MB: | OMG YES. except it dies due to not finding channel icons O_o |
| [06:43:50] | wagnerrp: | that wont cause it to die |
| [06:44:04] | shiggity: | mythfrontend: relocation error: /usr/lib64/mythtv/filters/liblinearblend.so: symbol mm_support, version LIBAVCODEC_52 not defined in file libmythavcodec.so.52 with link time reference |
| [06:44:37] | shiggity: | and it did it again |
| [06:44:42] | shiggity: | same output |
| [06:46:16] | shiggity: | http://darwinanime.kicks-ass.net/mythfrontend2.log\ |
| [06:46:19] | shiggity: | http://darwinanime.kicks-ass.net/mythfrontend2.log |
| [06:46:21] | shiggity: | there >_> |
| [06:46:42] | shiggity: | so close... so close |
| [06:47:34] | k-man: | no idea what that means |
| [06:47:53] | k-man: | but if I had to guess, I would say it means you have old libs lying around on your system or something |
| [06:47:58] | Shiggs|MB: | hmm |
| [06:48:09] | wagnerrp: | you had compiled manually at some point, right? |
| [06:48:14] | k-man: | but no doubt someone here will correct me on that |
| [06:48:27] | Shiggs|MB: | wagnerrp: yeah I did compile manually |
| [06:48:35] | Shiggs|MB: | how do I clean libs? |
| [06:48:46] | wagnerrp: | unmerge mythtv |
| [06:48:53] | Shiggs|MB: | ...then remerge it? |
| [06:49:01] | wagnerrp: | and then delete /usr/lib64/mythtv |
| [06:49:09] | shiggity: | and then remerge |
| [06:49:12] | shiggity: | hm |
| [06:49:14] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [06:49:29] | Shiggs|MB: | doing that now\ |
| [06:49:37] | Shiggs|MB: | wtf stupid fwd slash |
| [06:50:02] | wagnerrp: | you need to trim that pinky fingernail |
| [06:50:16] | shiggity: | ya I do haha |
| [06:50:48] | shiggity: | k remerging mythtv |
| [06:51:14] | k-man: | wagnerrp, rather than unmerge/remerge (which sounds time consuming) could he not just delete /usr/lib64/mythtv and recompile/reinstall? |
| [06:51:29] | wagnerrp: | unmerge just uninstalls the package |
| [06:51:33] | k-man: | oh I see |
| [06:51:43] | Shiggs|MB: | it's working on remerging now |
| [06:53:22] | Shiggs|MB: | I hope this works :| |
| [06:53:51] | k-man: | so do I! |
| [06:54:53] | Shiggs|MB: | |: |
| [06:54:54] | Shiggs|MB: | heh |
| [06:55:07] | Shiggs|MB: | wanna play ASCII pong? |
| [06:55:08] | Shiggs|MB: | jk jk |
| [06:55:26] | wagnerrp: | been reading bash? |
| [06:55:35] | Shiggs|MB: | no |
| [06:55:37] | Shiggs|MB: | :P |
| [06:55:55] | Shiggs|MB: | come on Sandy Bridge CPU |
| [06:56:03] | Shiggs|MB: | YOU CAN DO IT (all night long) |
| [06:56:38] | wagnerrp: | been watching the water boy? |
| [06:56:53] | Shiggs|MB: | yep xD |
| [06:56:55] | Shiggs|MB: | love that movie |
| [06:57:01] | Shiggs|MB: | I've not seen it in ages though |
| [06:57:10] | Shiggs|MB: | Adam Sandler FTW |
| [06:57:54] | wagnerrp: | rob schneider FTL |
| [06:57:59] | Shiggs|MB: | haha |
| [06:58:44] | Shiggs|MB: | yay installing |
| [06:58:48] | Shiggs|MB: | and done |
| [06:58:50] | Shiggs|MB: | running |
| [06:59:05] | Shiggs|MB: | still does the same thing |
| [06:59:08] | Shiggs|MB: | motherf..... |
| [06:59:15] | wagnerrp: | i dont know what to tell you |
| [06:59:19] | wagnerrp: | im out of my league on that one |
| [06:59:26] | Shiggs|MB: | k-man: ? |
| [06:59:29] | Shiggs|MB: | sphery: ? |
| [06:59:31] | wagnerrp: | perhaps... gcc/libc mismatch? |
| [06:59:52] | k-man: | wagnerrp's skills >= k-man's skills |
| [07:00:21] | k-man: | maybe ask on #gentoo? they might know? |
| [07:00:34] | shiggity: | it seems to be fine until it hits: 2011-08–30 02:58:59.165 MythUIHelper, Error: LoadScaleImage(/home/shiggity/.mythtv/channels/pbs_hd.jpg)Unable to find image file |
| [07:00:52] | wagnerrp: | but thats non-fatal |
| [07:01:04] | wagnerrp: | its having problems dynloading one of the video playback filters |
| [07:01:12] | wagnerrp: | specifically the linear deinterlacing filter |
| [07:01:14] | k-man: | Shiggs|MB, did you delete /usr/lib64/mythtv before remerging? |
| [07:01:31] | shiggity: | ya |
| [07:01:32] | shiggity: | I did |
| [07:01:42] | shiggity: | should I restart the backend? |
| [07:01:44] | k-man: | strace may give you some clues |
| [07:01:59] | wagnerrp: | we know what the problem is |
| [07:02:05] | wagnerrp: | we just dont know why the problem is |
| [07:02:09] | wagnerrp: | its a bad compile |
| [07:02:17] | wagnerrp: | by i cant explain how to make it not-bad |
| [07:02:19] | shiggity: | it's from the ebuild >_> |
| [07:02:23] | shiggity: | so the ebuild is bad |
| [07:02:30] | wagnerrp: | the ebuild is fine |
| [07:02:35] | wagnerrp: | the build environment is bad |
| [07:03:02] | wagnerrp: | try running revdep-rebuild |
| [07:03:02] | shiggity: | how do I improve it then/ |
| [07:03:30] | wagnerrp: | see if it picks up anything in the tool chain that may have gotten missed |
| [07:03:46] | shiggity: | workin on it |
| [07:03:48] | wagnerrp: | or look through eselect |
| [07:03:56] | wagnerrp: | try resetting the gcc build version |
| [07:04:13] | wagnerrp: | it may have been partially upgraded from one version |
| [07:05:58] | shiggity: | how do I do that lol |
| [07:06:00] | shiggity: | i"m in Eselect |
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| [07:06:09] | wagnerrp: | actually, eselect doesnt manage that |
| [07:06:14] | wagnerrp: | i dont know off hand what does |
| [07:06:26] | shiggity: | make.conf? |
| [07:06:42] | wagnerrp: | no, theres a real utility |
| [07:06:49] | wagnerrp: | because it needs to maneuver some stuff around to make it happen |
| [07:09:25] | shiggity: | i bet it's a Libavcodec issue (sorry for stating the obvious) |
| [07:12:19] | wagnerrp: | libavcodec is ffmpeg |
| [07:12:28] | wagnerrp: | but mythtv keeps its own internal copy of ffmpeg |
| [07:12:34] | wagnerrp: | that gets compiled and installed with mythtv |
| [07:13:07] | shiggity: | hmm |
| [07:16:25] | Shiggs|MB: | hm maybe if I recompile that filter? |
| [07:16:29] | Shiggs|MB: | or somehow disable it |
| [07:17:23] | wagnerrp: | if that filter is failing, likely they will all fail |
| [07:17:34] | Shiggs|MB: | hmm |
| [07:17:43] | Shiggs|MB: | from another chat: |
| [07:17:43] | Shiggs|MB: | <`Kumba> Sounds like a shared library has versioned symbols, so it's looking for the mm_support() function, version LIBAVCODEC_52, in the .so pointed by your path |
| [07:18:58] | wagnerrp: | do you have a /lib/lib32/mythtv ? |
| [07:19:12] | Shiggs|MB: | I'd think so |
| [07:19:19] | wagnerrp: | you shouldnt |
| [07:19:25] | Shiggs|MB: | .... |
| [07:19:38] | wagnerrp: | erm.. /usr/lib32/mythtv |
| [07:25:26] | Bhaal: | wagnerrp: Hey, that problem with the myth_scan script... I just tried something, I deleted the rows from the videometadata tables for the offending file... Ran the script, it successfully (And said as much) that it added the file, then it failed on the same file directly afterwards before getting any further... |
| [07:27:04] | wagnerrp: | i dont see how thats any different from what you were saying earlier |
| [07:27:42] | Bhaal: | http://pastebin.com/vHq92B53 |
| [07:28:01] | Bhaal: | Well earlier it never said it successfully added the file... |
| [07:28:05] | Bhaal: | It just failed... |
| [07:28:15] | Bhaal: | Does it add then check that it added? |
| [07:29:01] | wagnerrp: | no, it adds, and then imports the metadata from the grabber script |
| [07:29:15] | Bhaal: | Ah, right... |
| [07:29:39] | Bhaal: | So something in the metadata is killing it then... |
| [07:29:51] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [07:29:57] | wagnerrp: | the metadata is fine |
| [07:30:03] | wagnerrp: | the metadata import method is fine |
| [07:30:22] | wagnerrp: | something is preventing the object from being set up correctly during database entry creation |
| [07:30:35] | wagnerrp: | the entry is created, and then the object spawns a 'cast' attribute |
| [07:30:39] | Bhaal: | Just on that one file though |
| [07:30:51] | wagnerrp: | except when it goes to add the metadata for that cast data, it does not exist |
| [07:30:57] | wagnerrp: | and i have no idea why |
| [07:34:06] | ** justinh had fun at a bus depot til 2am this morning. stupid machines ** | |
| [07:35:54] | Shiggs|MB: | :| |
| [07:36:26] | justinh: | now to find out why mythfilldatabase hasn't run successfully for a few days. I suspect they've pulled the feed already |
| [07:36:56] | justinh: | hmm nope |
| [07:46:29] | westlock: | Can anyone else resolve this http://www.kernellabs.com |
| [07:47:04] | justinh: | apparently not |
| [07:47:25] | wagnerrp: | !url down www.kernellabs.com |
| [07:47:25] | MythLogBot: | down: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/www%2Ekernellabs%2Ecom |
| [07:47:37] | Bhaal: | wagnerrp: could it be because the actor string is blank? |
| [07:48:07] | wagnerrp: | Bhaal: no |
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| [07:49:07] | westlock: | Yeah I just tired to get my drivers for the analog side of the 2250's |
| [07:49:22] | Bhaal: | And the unicode should have cleaned up any text etc right?P |
| [07:51:03] | dekarl: | justinh: did max(endtime) change? |
| [07:52:30] | dekarl: | nvm: the xmltv-tester had issues this night too for some hours |
| [08:00:53] | Shiggs|MB: | wagnerrp: I solved my issue! I had to get rid of the lingering libs from the git installed 0.25pre build I had installed! |
| [08:01:05] | Shiggs|MB: | thanks for all your help earlier with the other issues :) |
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| [08:08:06] | justinh: | dekarl: dunno. just did a successful run maually |
| [08:08:24] | justinh: | now I'm trying to bridge my laptop's LAN & wifi connections so I can use my phone |
| [08:10:34] | justinh: | stupid windows mobile phone I was given by work – I can't figure out how to take the SIM out. Stupid HTC junk |
| [08:41:39] | Shiggs|MB: | Oi! I love my HTC Evo 3D! |
| [08:41:44] | Shiggs|MB: | don't be hatin' :P |
| [08:43:21] | justinh: | I DO hate it. It's awful. Worst phone I have EVER used in my life |
| [08:44:07] | justinh: | slow, unresponsive UI. The keyboard is harder to use than the touchscreen keyboard on my android phone – and the touchscreen keyboard on the HTC thing... UGH |
| [08:44:30] | justinh: | are you swiping to scroll or are you selecting an item to open? It can never tell the difference |
| [08:44:33] | justinh: | JUNK |
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| [08:44:54] | justinh: | oh, and with the keyboard slid out it's very easy to hit the power button. Too easy. JUNK :-) |
| [08:46:30] | justinh: | I think it might have GPS.. I'm not sure. the google maps app seemed to hang whenever I opened it. I tried to be patient & left it for 5 minutes... and nothing |
| [08:46:48] | justinh: | I won't be rushing to buy a windows mobile phone. |
| [08:46:50] | Bhaal: | wagnerrp: so is it unusual for it to spawn a cast or unusual for its data not to exist? |
| [08:47:48] | Bhaal: | Sorry I am trying to figure out whats going wrong, keeping in mind I am not a python person, but still while no one else seems to be concerned etc... |
| [08:53:30] | shiggity: | justinh: I'll give it to you that WinMo does indeed suck |
| [08:53:36] | shiggity: | Android rocks |
| [08:54:35] | shiggity: | oh and is there a reason for the latest OS X build for MythFrontEnd to hang when loading up? |
| [08:54:37] | shiggity: | O_o |
| [08:58:43] | ** justinh wonders if rebooting into linux is the answer for sharing the wired internet over wireless ** | |
| [09:05:31] | Shiggs|MB: | k so |
| [09:05:33] | Shiggs|MB: | 2011-08–30 05:03:56.412 MythXMLClient::GetConnectionInfo Failed – (606) Action Not Authorized |
| [09:05:35] | Shiggs|MB: | again |
| [09:05:52] | Shiggs|MB: | this time when running from my laptop here via the latest frontend |
| [09:06:48] | Shiggs|MB: | all the database permissions are correct |
| [09:07:42] | Shiggs|MB: | anyone? |
| [09:07:55] | Shiggs|MB: | wagnerrp: ? sphery ? |
| [09:09:33] | Shiggs|MB: | k-man: ? |
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| [09:24:36] | ahhughez: | good evening, can anyone point me in the right direction... I can work out how to get audio out via my (geforce gt520) hdmi out. Loads of refernces to ALSA but nothing 'concise'. |
| [09:24:43] | ahhughez: | can = cant |
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| [09:29:12] | shiggity: | Testing connect to backend via Windows |
| [09:29:59] | shiggity: | I suspect Mac OS X Lion being incompatible |
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| [09:33:20] | karl__: | hi, anyone here using gnome desktop with xscreensaver ? |
| [09:33:57] | karl__: | i replaced gnome-screensaver with xscreensaver to prevent it engaging when playing video |
| [09:34:12] | karl__: | now the powersave screen-off does not work any more |
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| [10:14:33] | Cervera: | Hi, I'm doing a fresh installation of ubuntu for mythtv, and I want to partition my HDD so the database will be seperate. under what is the DB located? |
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| [10:29:17] | shiggity: | and I was right. I could get the frontend connecting just fine via Windows 7 x64 + latest 32bit frontend |
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| [10:58:57] | justinh: | hrm looks like my wifi hardware doesn't like ad-hoc mode |
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| [11:17:15] | ICM^: | Hey guys. Suddenly, the font I use is -really- wide and big. Not sure what happened- I went away for a week, came back, and boom. Couldn't find anything similar on Google |
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| [11:19:09] | ICM^: | Here's a screenshot >> http://i.imgur.com/v1zDu.png |
| [11:19:38] | k-man: | icky |
| [11:19:53] | ICM^: | Yeah.. I wouldn't care too much but it makes the program guide pretty bad |
| [11:21:19] | k-man: | sorry, no idea how to help |
| [11:21:38] | ICM^: | it's cool. is there any sort of theme cache or something I could just try deleting? |
| [11:22:19] | ICM^: | though, it is doing it for any theme i try, which is strange |
| [11:23:02] | k-man: | theme caches are stored in ~/.mythtv/themecache |
| [11:23:21] | k-man: | you can delete that directory and they will be remade, but I don't think thats the problem |
| [11:23:38] | k-man: | check your screen resolution is correct and also the dpi |
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| [11:23:50] | k-man: | although i;m not sure that setting is still relevant |
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| [11:25:27] | ICM^: | I feel like the font that just about all of these themes use went poof |
| [11:26:50] | k-man: | run mythfrontend from a terminal and have a look at the output |
| [11:26:55] | ICM^: | resolution: 386x123 dots per inch |
| [11:26:56] | k-man: | it will tell you if its not finding fonts |
| [11:28:02] | ICM^: | hm. I'm not seeing anything to suggest founds weren't found |
| [11:29:03] | ICM^: | let me pastebin the output |
| [11:29:43] | ICM^: | http://pastebin.com/vkZVZJEy |
| [11:33:32] | ICM^: | is there a specific mythtv fonts |
| [11:33:36] | ICM^: | is there a specific mythtv fonts package* ? |
| [11:55:12] | k-man: | no |
| [11:55:24] | k-man: | I don;t think so |
| [11:56:21] | k-man: | ICM^, there seems to be some problems with your theme: check lines 27–30 |
| [11:56:36] | k-man: | I would think that could be part of the issue |
| [11:57:52] | ICM^: | Hm, it looked to me as if that were another theme, but I'm not sure how the structure works |
| [11:58:38] | k-man: | oh actually, they are for the OSD |
| [11:58:45] | k-man: | so that might not be the problem |
| [11:59:35] | k-man: | it says desktop video mode is 3600x1200 |
| [11:59:38] | k-man: | is that correct? |
| [12:00:16] | ICM^: | Hmmm. Would that be the resolution of my panel? And, in this case, my two panels combined? |
| [12:00:35] | k-man: | I guess |
| [12:00:52] | k-man: | are you displaying across both panels? |
| [12:00:59] | ICM^: | 1920 x 1080 + 1680 x 1050, shifted a bit so 3600 x 1050 sounds right |
| [12:01:21] | ICM^: | er, 3600 x 1200 |
| [12:01:26] | ICM^: | no, I am not |
| [12:01:39] | ICM^: | I run it windowed |
| [12:02:02] | k-man: | oh I see |
| [12:02:11] | skd5aner: | isn't dpi supposed to be 100x100? |
| [12:02:36] | ICM^: | according to the faq yes, but doesn't Ubuntu automatically startx with the proper DPI ? |
| [12:02:47] | skd5aner: | ubuntu or mythbuntu? |
| [12:02:51] | ICM^: | ubuntu |
| [12:02:53] | ICM^: | 10.10 |
| [12:03:06] | skd5aner: | no, that's a mythtv requirement, not a distro one |
| [12:03:49] | skd5aner: | I don't believe the package would mess with that on ubuntu |
| [12:04:08] | ICM^: | what blows my mind is that it was working before i left last week |
| [12:04:20] | skd5aner: | yea, that's strange |
| [12:04:35] | ICM^: | nothing really changed.. I ran through the normal Ubuntu updates but that's really it |
| [12:04:44] | skd5aner: | well, that's what changed |
| [12:05:00] | ICM^: | is there any way to see what packages have been updated recently ? |
| [12:06:06] | ICM^: | There we go. Looks like some MythTV stuff was upgraded in the update I did yesterday |
| [12:06:26] | ICM^: | that's what broke it, then |
| [12:08:06] | ICM^: | mythtv-database, mythtv, mythtv-themes, mythtv-theme-metallurgy, libmyth-python, mythtv-common, libxfont1, mythtv-backend, mythtv-theme-graphite, libmythtv-perl, mythtv-theme-arclight, mythtv-frontend, mythtv-theme-mythbuntu, libmyth-0.24–0, mythtv-transcode-utils |
| [12:09:09] | ICM^: | This might be dumb, but I'm going to try an honest reboot, and maybe that will fix it |
| [12:09:27] | ICM^: | brb |
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| [12:14:03] | ICM^: | and fixed |
| [12:14:12] | ICM^: | i should've done that like half an hour ago :P |
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| [12:15:14] | ahhughez: | how can I browse the channel guide while watching live tv? Basically I want to see what else is on... I know I can hit up and down but that is very slow. |
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| [12:15:39] | ICM^: | page up / page down, ahhughez ? |
| [12:16:08] | ahhughez: | that does 'jump ahead' or 'jump back' :'( |
| [12:16:26] | ICM^: | hmmm. What theme are you using out of curiosity ? |
| [12:16:43] | ICM^: | (I'm not an expert on mythtv for the record) |
| [12:16:48] | ahhughez: | the default... not the 'blue' one |
| [12:16:59] | ahhughez: | that makes two of us |
| [12:19:36] | ICM^: | hey ahhughez, are you on a desktop? |
| [12:19:42] | ICM^: | at least have a keyboard with a numpad? |
| [12:20:18] | ICM^: | I don't think it'll actually work, but try 9 and 3 |
| [12:20:28] | ahhughez: | hey 'm' brings up a menu and that has "Schedule -> Program Guide" which is almost exactly what I want... except its a two step process. |
| [12:20:42] | ICM^: | ohhhh, you didn't have the program guide up yet :P |
| [12:20:47] | ICM^: | I misunderstood |
| [12:21:27] | ICM^: | try S |
| [12:21:28] | k-man: | I think you can also set a key for a jumpoint straight to the program guide |
| [12:21:50] | k-man: | or maybe I'm thinking of the program finder |
| [12:22:01] | ICM^: | k-man by default the key is 'S' I believe |
| [12:22:05] | ICM^: | try that ahhughez |
| [12:22:39] | ICM^: | worked for me (I never bothered to look it up because I was, until now, lazy) — reference: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Keybindings#Watchi . . . _a_recording |
| [12:22:42] | ahhughez: | Oh you rock thanks ICM^! |
| [12:22:46] | ahhughez: | S did the trick |
| [12:22:52] | ICM^: | no problem, you made me finally look it up for myself as well :P |
| [12:24:22] | ICM^: | I wish I didn't wake up so early, the Price is Right isn't on for like 2.5 more hours |
| [12:25:11] | ahhughez: | what is "quick tuning"? |
| [12:25:45] | ICM^: | I haven't a clue |
| [12:25:48] | ahhughez: | a mate says he turned it on on the backend but cant remember what it did now... my system takes ~1.5sec to change channels.. it sucks |
| [12:26:15] | skd5aner: | 1.5 secs is probably as fast as you're going to get it |
| [12:26:38] | ahhughez: | the ps3's playtv is oober fast. |
| [12:26:41] | skd5aner: | Live TV tuning times is inherintly slow and can't be optimized much faster that 1.5 seconds |
| [12:29:57] | ahhughez: | yeah... shame myth can't buffer the channel in the background. maybe its possible if there is an event like browsing the epg "buffers" the channel they have highlighted... or if not in the epg it buffers the chan's up/down on the current chan by default... this is providing there are spare tuners about. |
| [12:30:51] | ahhughez: | its late here thanks for the help ICM^ |
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| [12:31:26] | ICM^: | I helped somebody for once :D |
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| [13:14:38] | ICM^: | Grr, V for Vendetta is on, but there's a lot of audio noise on the channel, seems to be just that channel, hard to describe the noise but it's just a loud PSSDT |
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| [14:28:54] | sphery: | trumee: newegg is having a sale on the Kill-A-Watt starting today... $8 off ($16.95 with free shipping) with promo code. (again, assuming you're in the US) |
| [14:29:54] | ICM^: | link please sphery ? |
| [14:30:09] | ICM^: | completely didn't see that in the labor day deals |
| [14:30:33] | sphery: | http://promotions.newegg.com/neemail/aug-0-20 . . . landing.html |
| [14:30:46] | ICM^: | ah, there it is, thank you |
| [14:30:54] | sphery: | under electronics and more |
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| [16:38:21] | trumee: | sphery: thanks, i am in the UK actually. Found a cheap device called energenie, http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Energenie-Energy-Sa . . . 320503970289 |
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| [16:44:36] | westlock: | (not a 10,000-channel cable lineup). Recent runs (and, yeah, we're currently between seasons, so there aren't many shows to schedule) look like: 2011-08–30 08:47:30.969 Scheduled 412 items in 0.9 = 0.03 match + 0.87 place |
| [16:44:37] | westlock: | [10:43] <westlock> http://ioio.ca/2250log6 clean install linuxmce rc1. Trying to get video on the core working first. Only recieving channel guide text. |
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| [16:47:43] | sphery: | linux mce? seems to be mythbackend 0.23 SVN 24431 + patches... |
| [16:48:11] | westlock: | Yeah and they are pinned to it. |
| [16:48:23] | sphery: | do you really need mce and want an old "always-playing-catchup" distro? |
| [16:48:48] | westlock: | I'm not sure there is anything better in home automation... |
| [16:48:57] | wagnerrp: | i wonder if all those unknown sockets are something linuxmce does |
| [16:49:14] | westlock: | I've asked. |
| [16:49:24] | sphery: | yeah, looks like they're opening connections and closing them on the client side before receiving a response |
| [16:50:30] | westlock: | I'm not convinced my adapters are all set up right and I'm confused about what the driver from kernellabs is doing regarding analog and digital. |
| [16:51:00] | wagnerrp: | if your card supports analog and digital |
| [16:51:06] | wagnerrp: | it looks like two independent devices |
| [16:51:20] | wagnerrp: | digital are available through /dev/dvb/*, analog are available through /dev/video* |
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| [16:51:38] | westlock: | Not clear on routing 2 2250's into input groups when the myth-setup truncates /dev/video1 to /dev |
| [16:51:42] | wagnerrp: | and if its a hybrid tuner, such that analog and digital are mutually exclusive |
| [16:51:49] | wagnerrp: | you need to set up input groups |
| [16:51:56] | sphery: | so the SVN 24431 is pre 0.23 release |
| [16:52:08] | wagnerrp: | no, it IS the 0.23 release |
| [16:52:19] | wagnerrp: | the actual tagged release version |
| [16:52:21] | westlock: | Ancient correct. Well not so terrible bad then. |
| [16:53:05] | wagnerrp: | although youre right, that doesnt make sense |
| [16:53:07] | sphery: | ahh, ok... I was going off http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes_-_0.23 figuring that "through the 0.23-fixes branch release of ~[24509]" meant that 0.23 was tagged at 24509 |
| [16:53:11] | wagnerrp: | since release was 24509 |
| [16:53:20] | sphery: | hehe |
| [16:53:21] | wagnerrp: | yeah, but look at the startup string |
| [16:53:32] | wagnerrp: | mythbackend version: tags/release-0–23 |
| [16:53:44] | sphery: | yeah, we tagged 0.23, then untagged it, right? |
| [16:53:56] | wagnerrp: | oh? i dont recall |
| [16:53:57] | sphery: | because we found major problems |
| [16:53:59] | sphery: | [24431] |
| [16:53:59] | MythLogBot: | SVN 24431: (branch fixes/0.23) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/37ea0207 |
| [16:54:12] | sphery: | [24509] |
| [16:54:12] | MythLogBot: | SVN 24509: (branch fixes/0.23) https://github.com/MythTV/mythtv/commit/51f1b219 |
| [16:54:30] | sphery: | no clue how to tell with git... |
| [16:55:28] | sphery: | oh, well, it's not like it's important to be able to research history... |
| [16:56:23] | westlock: | This is my exact video card and what to do with it according to LinuxMCE http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/ASUS_EN760 . . . T/HTD_Series |
| [16:56:34] | sphery: | I mean, they say, "Those who fail to learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat it." And they also say, "Repetition is the key to learning." Therefore, we have a nice closed cycle where whether we learn the lessons of history or not, we will learn the lessons of history, which means we don't need to learn the lessons of history? |
| [16:57:30] | westlock: | I'd rather be on the bleeding edge of science then perhaps we could go back and change history. |
| [16:57:51] | sphery: | so, what home automation does LMCE bring? Does it go beyond things that could be done with current MythTV and MythTV System Events ( http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythTV_System_Events )? |
| [16:58:17] | wagnerrp: | a bit |
| [16:58:19] | sphery: | or is it the "neat, but do you really need it" candy like the "follow me" that you like |
| [16:58:31] | sphery: | or the terrible UI? ;) |
| [16:59:14] | sphery: | woah, my text messages are now working--think my number is fully ported to Google Voice, now |
| [17:00:41] | sphery: | They said, "may interfere with text message delivery for up to 3 days" and it's been 2 days, 13 hours. They also told me porting the number (for the calls portion) would take about 24 hours--and it took 23hrs, 58min... They are quite accurate in their estimates. |
| [17:01:57] | westlock: | Hmm could easily write the two seconds off to lag. |
| [17:02:15] | wagnerrp: | sphery: re #10015, maybe we just need to remove the --user option |
| [17:02:37] | sphery: | heh, yeah |
| [17:02:46] | sphery: | (about 2s) |
| [17:03:15] | wagnerrp: | why is that in there anyway? |
| [17:03:24] | sphery: | mythbuntu wanted it |
| [17:03:27] | sphery: | and made the patch |
| [17:03:41] | westlock: | Where the hell is the mythfrontend log in linuxmce? |
| [17:04:00] | wagnerrp: | westlock: something to ask the linuxmce people |
| [17:04:13] | sphery: | something about some upstart of a "I'll make another system startup app" |
| [17:04:16] | westlock: | asked. |
| [17:04:57] | wagnerrp: | upstart cant manage the username an application runs as? |
| [17:05:10] | sphery: | we shouldn't be just making it so core files are always allowed, though |
| [17:06:01] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt, it just throws up a warning |
| [17:06:58] | sphery: | http://code.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7832 is all I know about it |
| [17:07:48] | sphery: | no, the patch he put on the ticket summary does prctl(PR_SET_DUMPABLE, 1), which sets the process to allow core dumps |
| [17:08:00] | sphery: | regardless of the previous environment's setting |
| [17:08:23] | sphery: | we'd need to start off with PR_GET_DUMPABLE to find the result before the set user calls |
| [17:08:27] | wagnerrp: | oh, i thought it was just testing |
| [17:08:54] | sphery: | I'll just do it--it's probably easiest and makes the people who have a broken system startup app happy ;) |
| [17:10:14] | sphery: | wagnerrp: my man page says prctl is Linux-specific... You probably don't have it on your BSD boxen, right? |
| [17:10:41] | sphery: | (just making sure I should limit it to only Linux--whereas the set user stuff is actually all posix systems, IIRC) |
| [17:10:46] | wagnerrp: | no manual entry for prctl |
| [17:11:07] | sphery: | thx |
| [17:11:24] | sphery: | I didn't want any build bots calling me out in #mythtv |
| [17:11:39] | sphery: | especially after you were talking about the rocket-based repercussions |
| [17:14:01] | wagnerrp: | http://linux.die.net/man/3/ulimit |
| [17:17:27] | sphery: | yeah, so maybe get/setrlimit are a better choice since their posix |
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| [17:18:01] | sphery: | wonder if you'd need both the dumpable and the rlimit |
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| [17:25:45] | sphery: | wagnerrp: do you know why some of the "log" output in setUser() is cerr and some is LOG()? |
| [17:27:36] | wagnerrp: | my guess is fatal vs. non-fatal errors |
| [17:27:46] | wagnerrp: | fatal ones use cerr |
| [17:27:53] | wagnerrp: | just to ensure they get written |
| [17:28:11] | sphery: | ah, I see |
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| [18:05:39] | FabriceMG: | hello, Where is the percent size font in frontend configuration on 0.25? |
| [18:07:52] | wagnerrp: | in the theme |
| [18:07:56] | wagnerrp: | same as it was for 0.24 |
| [18:08:25] | wagnerrp: | and 0.23, and 0.22 |
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| [18:11:44] | FabriceMG: | not sure for 0.23 and 0.22, I have modified this value in 0.23, no? In french , the text in very long |
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| [18:13:10] | sphery: | the Qt-font size adjustment was removed now that nearly everything in mythtv is mythui, not Qt-based text |
| [18:13:39] | sphery: | so you no longer have the ability to destroy the careful alignment and sizing work done by your theme's author :) |
| [18:17:22] | FabriceMG: | My wife will not be happy! :) |
| [18:21:29] | sphery: | sounds like your wife wants you to create a new theme, then :) |
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| [18:22:51] | andreask73: | Hi all, I just got mythlcdserver working and I was wondering if anyone knows how to configure the screens on it. I would like to change the language on the screen? |
| [18:24:49] | sphery: | doesn't changing the language in mythfrontend change it? |
| [18:25:59] | andreask73: | Ah, that could be a possibility, have to check :) |
| [18:28:50] | andreask73: | Nope, sorry, it's still in english |
| [18:29:14] | andreask73: | Could be the computers locale settings that does that though... |
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| [18:41:48] | sphery: | wagnerrp: so, rlimit isn't changed with setuid() call--only the dumpability flag, so we do need the Linux-specific code, it seems (just using setrlimit() doesn't re-enable them) |
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| [18:47:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | Gee, anyone know DD-WRT and/or iptables? It's dead quiet in #dd-wrt ... |
| [18:47:41] | sphery: | I'm starting to wonder if we should be messing with this since the kernel feels that if you change euid, dumpability of core should be disabled... |
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| [19:05:00] | devinheitmueller: | westlock: fyi, kernellabs.com is down due to the hurricane. It will be back up as soon as power is restored to the area. |
| [19:05:46] | wagnerrp: | whoops, should have put your server on 'the cloud' |
| [19:05:52] | devinheitmueller: | heh. |
| [19:05:58] | wagnerrp: | hurricanes help cloud formation, after all |
| [19:06:04] | devinheitmueller: | We have UPS, but it's not intended to keep it up for multiple days worth of no power. |
| [19:06:11] | devinheitmueller: | heh |
| [19:13:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | devinheitmueller: hehehe... with my Myth Backend on, my UPS only lasts about 30 mins... With the backend off, and it only running my network equipment, it runs for ~6–8 hours. ;-) |
| [19:14:43] | devinheitmueller: | We've got a fairly good UPS. Probably runs a couple of hours, which is usually more than enough under "normal circumstances". But yeah, there hasn't been any power for almost three days, and we're not really prepared to spend the sort of money that would require that level of reliability. |
| [19:14:57] | devinheitmueller: | s/require/provide/ |
| [19:15:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | devinheitmueller: Tell me about it... I'm fighting to get a Generator at our new building (for work), and it's going to cost about $30,000 for a 50KW generator, and another $25K to install it on the roof & cable it up... |
| [19:16:47] | devinheitmueller: | If reliability were really something we were prepared to pay for, we would just colocate at two different geographically distributed sites. The website just isn't mission critical enough though to warrant the expense at this point. |
| [19:17:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | I hear ya. ;-) |
| [19:17:08] | devinheitmueller: | People don't need to read my blog *that badly*. |
| [19:17:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | We don't? ;-) |
| [19:17:43] | devinheitmueller: | Well, it's safe to say I won't be doing any new posts anyway as long as it's down. ;-) |
| [19:20:00] | devinheitmueller: | sphery: I got some info on the HD-PVR problems with the saturation/hue/contrast controls on the new firmware. If Janneg doesn't step up to deal with it, I will do it myself in a couple of weeks once I get unpacked. |
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| [19:23:37] | wagnerrp: | i didnt think you guys were allowed to touch it |
| [19:24:29] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: $30K seems awfully high |
| [19:25:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Yeah, well, that includes the ATS and wiring – which is about 300' – hence the cost... |
| [19:25:17] | wagnerrp: | ATS? |
| [19:25:25] | wagnerrp: | automatic transfer switch? |
| [19:25:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | Auto Transfer Switch |
| [19:25:26] | sphery: | devinheitmueller: nice--good to hear, and thanks for looking into it |
| [19:25:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | yeah. |
| [19:25:44] | skd5aner: | you have a blog? |
| [19:25:45] | skd5aner: | ;) |
| [19:25:55] | wagnerrp: | skd5aner: yeah, kernellabs |
| [19:26:01] | skd5aner: | it was sarcasm |
| [19:26:06] | devinheitmueller: | sphery: in fairness, I didn't actually look into it. I just asked somebody who would know. Will still have to grab a couple of USB traces, but he told me where to look. |
| [19:26:45] | westlock: | If I needed the saa firmware is there an alternate like linuxtv ? |
| [19:27:00] | devinheitmueller: | For the saa7134? |
| [19:27:04] | wagnerrp: | 64 |
| [19:27:05] | devinheitmueller: | Pardon, saa7164? |
| [19:27:18] | devinheitmueller: | Ask wagnerrp nicely and he'll send you the blobs. :-) |
| [19:27:33] | wagnerrp: | me? |
| [19:27:37] | wagnerrp: | i dont have one of those |
| [19:27:37] | westlock: | Ya the 2250 analog stuffs. I'm almost convinced that is what I need to make these cards actually work. |
| [19:27:42] | jpabq_: | devinheitmueller: so, it is a driver problem, not a myth one? |
| [19:27:42] | skd5aner: | devinheitmueller: btw, helped a guy out here last week (as did wagnerrp) and he was looking to throw money our way for the help – I told him if he was really desperate to give money to somethign that helped mythtv, to hit up your donate page – I think he said he sent you a donation |
| [19:28:07] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: I thought you were the one with the 2250. My bad. |
| [19:28:13] | wagnerrp: | thats beirdo |
| [19:28:17] | devinheitmueller: | Doh. Sorry. |
| [19:28:49] | devinheitmueller: | jpabq_: correct – it's not a Myth issue. The new firmware changed the commands needed to adjust those controls, and the driver will need to change to match the firmware. |
| [19:28:51] | wagnerrp: | a while back, i was looking into what it would take to get the -150 stuff working with freebsd/mythtv again |
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| [19:28:59] | westlock: | Okay to clarify. I have what I believe is the digital side. I have no entries in /dev/video so that means I don't have the analog side of the driver. |
| [19:29:10] | wagnerrp: | and i think you were around when i was wondering if it would be more worth while to simply port the 7164 driver over instead |
| [19:29:13] | sphery: | wagnerrp: switching to a real kernel, perhaps? |
| [19:29:20] | wagnerrp: | but thats as far as my connection to that card goes |
| [19:29:43] | devinheitmueller: | skd5aner: I'm assuming that would be Charles Jack. That's the only donation I've seen in the last couple of weeks. Thanks. |
| [19:29:56] | skd5aner: | Yea, I think that was his username in the log "Charles" |
| [19:30:11] | skd5aner: | np :) |
| [19:30:24] | devinheitmueller: | skd5aner: Yeah, nice guy. I emailed back and forth a bit with him to thank him and find out what hardware he uses. |
| [19:30:46] | devinheitmueller: | westlock: what kernel are you running? |
| [19:31:08] | westlock: | dcerouter_1020295:/usr/bin# uname -mri |
| [19:31:09] | westlock: | 2.6.27-17-generic i686 unknown |
| [19:31:11] | skd5aner: | devinheitmueller: he was brand new to myth – so he was asking a ton of questions over 2–3 days... came into IRC with a new nick everytime, so we didn't realize for a while that it was the same guy asking questions |
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| [19:31:49] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: porting the 7164 driver to another kernel would be a PITA. There are a number of timing related issues and the firmware is finicky. It can be done, but even the Linux port took a ton of port to get working reliably (and Steven had full access to all documentation and reference driver code you possibly could imagine being available). |
| [19:32:20] | devinheitmueller: | westlock: step 1: Upgrade to a relatively recent distribution. Step 3: profit. |
| [19:32:39] | devinheitmueller: | It just isn't worth it to try to make MythTV work on such an old system. |
| [19:32:49] | wagnerrp: | the other issue is the -2250 only has one antenna input |
| [19:33:00] | devinheitmueller: | Start with a recent distro, and then at least you can be confident that you're on a reasonably recent codebase. |
| [19:33:07] | wagnerrp: | and i would either be using DTAs, which would need one input per box |
| [19:33:17] | wagnerrp: | or real cable boxes, which would need HDPVRs |
| [19:33:27] | wagnerrp: | which are supposedly supported in freebsd using webcamd |
| [19:33:34] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: yeah, the 2250 has an integrated splitter and only a single spicket. |
| [19:33:39] | westlock: | The firmware for the 2250 is included in the linuxmce 0810rc1 which should technically only work in digital |
| [19:33:41] | wagnerrp: | some sort of linux driver interpretation layer for freebsd |
| [19:34:11] | ** J-e-f-f-A throws up at the mention of linuxmce ** | |
| [19:34:21] | wagnerrp: | as a digital tuner, the HDHomeRun works well enough for a similar price that it wouldnt be worth the effort |
| [19:34:38] | devinheitmueller: | westlock: a kernel that old probably either has a backport of a recent KL 7164 tree, which probably doesn't include analog support at all (regardless of the firmware) |
| [19:35:10] | westlock: | wooooo |
| [19:36:22] | westlock: | www.ioio.ca/2250log5 is what I'm at. Whatever gets loaded for the firmware shows up there. If its digital I'd like to get it working. |
| [19:36:53] | westlock: | Almost had tv on it last night. |
| [19:37:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | "Almost" doesn't count except for Hose Shoes, Hand Grenades, and Drive-In Movies... |
| [19:37:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | *Horse |
| [19:37:53] | Beirdo: | nuclear explosions |
| [19:38:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ooh, that too. |
| [19:39:11] | devinheitmueller: | westlock: looks fine. I don't think you have a firmware problem. |
| [19:39:13] | skd5aner: | yea, always heard of "nuclear explosions" – never heard "drive-in movies" what exactly would be close about that? |
| [19:39:24] | devinheitmueller: | Try running /usr/bin/scan and see if it finds any channels even outside of Myth. |
| [19:39:44] | sphery: | OK, so is sysctl preferred over just echoing garbage to /proc/fs ? (Meaning, which approach should we use on the wiki pages?) |
| [19:39:50] | sphery: | or does it matter |
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| [19:40:43] | sphery: | I'm changing it to sysctl because that will work more easily with sudo |
| [19:40:50] | sphery: | so, nvm :) |
| [19:40:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | skd5aner: seriously? You don't know??? Think of going on a date to the drive-in and telling your buddies about it the next day... |
| [19:41:07] | skd5aner: | ha |
| [19:41:17] | skd5aner: | I guess I never had to say "almost" |
| [19:41:17] | skd5aner: | ;) |
| [19:41:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | d'oh!!! |
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| [19:47:12] | sphery: | OK, OK, on the debugging page, someone added in, "Or add the following in /etc/systl.c/10-corefiles.conf"... Shirley, that's supposed to be "/etc/sysctl.d", right? |
| [19:47:36] | Beirdo: | I believe you're right, and don't call me Shirley. |
| [19:47:41] | sphery: | hehe |
| [19:47:56] | Beirdo: | I need more coffee |
| [19:53:36] | westlock: | I have to apt-get install dvb-utils right to obtain scan. |
| [19:54:17] | devinheitmueller: | probably (depends on your distro) |
| [19:54:18] | westlock: | btw my osd is green I have guide data but my screen is blank. |
| [19:56:47] | westlock: | I've tried scan -f /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 scan -a /dev/dvb/adapter0 |
| [19:56:55] | westlock: | these just give me the help menu again |
| [19:57:03] | devinheitmueller: | You aren't specifying a scan table. |
| [19:57:45] | devinheitmueller: | Here's a decent tutorial on scanning: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Adding_Digital_Cab . . . SA/Canada%29 |
| [19:58:12] | devinheitmueller: | You will want to use us-Cable-Standard-center-frequencies-QAM256 |
| [19:58:37] | westlock: | Yes I did exactly that last night. |
| [19:58:48] | devinheitmueller: | Generate a channels.conf (which will tell you if the device is working at all), then you can run azap/mplayer to validate you see TV. |
| [19:58:55] | devinheitmueller: | Did you get a channels.conf? |
| [19:58:57] | westlock: | Also I have alot of channels listed already but this is the proper way correct? |
| [19:59:23] | devinheitmueller: | That file has the list of possible frequencies. Your channels.conf will be the subset of frequencies that actually have a valid channel. |
| [19:59:32] | westlock: | I made a channels conf yes but the output looked like |
| [19:59:36] | westlock: | [0006]:657000000:QAM_256:74:75:6 |
| [19:59:52] | devinheitmueller: | That's to be expected. Most of the channels will be encrypted and not have a real name (the name goes in the first column) |
| [20:00:13] | devinheitmueller: | Look for entries that have a valid call sign like "WNBC-DT". Those will be the "must carry" channels which are unencrypted. |
| [20:00:25] | westlock: | So scanning from inside mythtv with dvb cards is no good then? |
| [20:00:48] | devinheitmueller: | By scanning *outside* of myth to start, you can validate that the card is working properly. |
| [20:01:01] | devinheitmueller: | Once you know the card is working, any problems you run into are probably a Myth specific issue. |
| [20:01:02] | westlock: | I'll get scanning and make another channels.conf file again. |
| [20:01:12] | devinheitmueller: | The channels.conf file you have is probably fine. |
| [20:01:18] | devinheitmueller: | Post it to paste bin and I will confirm. |
| [20:01:26] | westlock: | Umm it died with then new reinstall. |
| [20:01:33] | westlock: | So Will make another one. |
| [20:01:49] | devinheitmueller: | Ok, then scan again. Post the results to paste bin and I will look at it and tell you what to try to tune to. |
| [20:02:21] | westlock: | I am thinking considering I get audio plus my program guide with all the channel data in it already and can switch channels really good that it must be a playback setting. |
| [20:02:37] | devinheitmueller: | You get audio? |
| [20:02:38] | westlock: | Okay will do. |
| [20:02:47] | westlock: | Yes matches the channels and everything |
| [20:02:47] | devinheitmueller: | As in, you're hearing the digital TV program? |
| [20:02:54] | devinheitmueller: | Ok, there is nothing wrong with your tuner. |
| [20:02:57] | westlock: | I hear all my normal stations. |
| [20:02:57] | devinheitmueller: | You using VDPAU? |
| [20:03:03] | westlock: | No |
| [20:03:09] | devinheitmueller: | What type of video card do you have? |
| [20:03:20] | westlock: | http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/ASUS_EN760 . . . T/HTD_Series |
| [20:03:39] | devinheitmueller: | Do you have the proprietary nvidia driver installed? |
| [20:03:49] | devinheitmueller: | Woah, does that say 7600? |
| [20:03:53] | devinheitmueller: | Ugh, probably too old. |
| [20:03:53] | westlock: | How can I best check? |
| [20:04:12] | westlock: | This is just for my core. Doesn't have to work well |
| [20:04:22] | westlock: | It goes headless soon after. |
| [20:04:33] | devinheitmueller: | I'm going to be everything is working if this is just a backend. |
| [20:04:50] | devinheitmueller: | You can do an lsmod and grep "nvidia" |
| [20:05:23] | devinheitmueller: | The other thing you can do is find the .mpg file on the disk written by Myth, and just try opening it in mplayer. |
| [20:05:26] | ** iamlindoro wonders which ancient version of myth linuxmce includes now ** | |
| [20:05:49] | iamlindoro: | Since it appears to still be based on Ubuntu from 2008 |
| [20:05:55] | devinheitmueller: | Sounds like there is nothing wrong with the tuner, and you've purely got a video card problem. If this isn't your frontend, I probably wouldn't waste any more time on it. |
| [20:06:12] | devinheitmueller: | If you're hearing audio, then the digital TV is being captured. |
| [20:06:28] | devinheitmueller: | I should have suspected something was up as soon as you said "I see a green screen" |
| [20:07:15] | devinheitmueller: | iamlindoro: the real annoying part he is going to find out soon enough is that he needs to run the same Myth version on the fronted. So its't not like he can have an old backend with a modern distro on the frontend. |
| [20:07:24] | devinheitmueller: | s/fronted/frontend/ |
| [20:07:25] | westlock: | Yeah well I don't have a proper openGL playback profile set up for it. |
| [20:08:20] | westlock: | The rest of them give blank screen. CPU++ CPU-- High Profile Normal etc... |
| [20:08:26] | devinheitmueller: | Ok, well you don't have a tuner problem, so my work here is done. |
| [20:09:36] | westlock: | Yeah I actually thought the 2250 tuner integration in 0810rc1 was better than in 10.04 as there the firmware was lacking. |
| [20:09:53] | westlock: | I still doubt weather the analog part of the tuner is enabled. |
| [20:10:10] | westlock: | But that shouldn't matter for obtaining a picture. |
| [20:10:13] | devinheitmueller: | That is a poor metric for evaluation. The firmware cannot be legally redistributed – something the Ubuntu people are conscious of but the linuxmce people apparently don't give a s**t about. |
| [20:10:56] | devinheitmueller: | If you don't see a /dev/videoX device, then the kernel build is probably too old. There was nearly two years between the time the digital support was added and the analog support was made available. |
| [20:11:34] | westlock: | Okay well does more modern like .24 myth support a PXE boot? Then I could use my other zoneminer machines with mythtv as well. |
| [20:12:30] | westlock: | Yeah I don't see any video devices. |
| [20:13:11] | westlock: | Thanks for the help today. |
| [20:13:27] | devinheitmueller: | np |
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| [20:24:44] | ICM^: | like every 20–30 seconds a really loud TSCH noise comes through my speakers |
| [20:24:55] | ICM^: | only during mythtv |
| [20:27:33] | ICM^: | it is quite annoying, and really makes it unwatchable — weird thing is it only happens when watching it on the same machine as the backend, when i stream it to my laptop i don't notice it |
| [20:28:05] | ICM^: | it's just like a quick, sharp, and loud TSCH noise |
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| [20:28:34] | ICM^: | didn't do it 2 weeks ago though |
| [20:31:25] | laga: | like, a chirp? |
| [20:31:25] | devinheitmueller: | ICM^: well, what changed in the last two weeks? |
| [20:31:33] | devinheitmueller: | Install distro updates? Change MythTV configuration? |
| [20:31:38] | devinheitmueller: | Install new hardware? |
| [20:31:40] | devinheitmueller: | Update Myth? |
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| [20:32:39] | devinheitmueller: | Or let me guess: "I didn't change *anything*! It just started happening all by itself!" |
| [20:33:10] | ICM^: | Hold on a minute while I get the packages that were updated |
| [20:33:12] | laga: | might be a reception issue |
| [20:33:36] | devinheitmueller: | laga: if the same recordings play back fine from his laptop, then it isn't a reception problem. |
| [20:34:15] | laga: | yes. |
| [20:34:22] | ** laga goes back into hiding ;) ** | |
| [20:34:40] | devinheitmueller: | laga: heh, no problem. :-) |
| [20:35:11] | ICM^: | mythtv-database, mythtv, mythtv-themes, mythtv-theme-metallurgy, libmyth-python, mythtv-common, libxfont1, mythtv-backend, mythtv-theme-graphite, libmythtv-perl, mythtv-theme-arclight, mythtv-frontend, mythtv-theme-mythtbuntu, libmyth-0.24–0, mythtv-transcode-utils |
| [20:35:18] | ICM^: | All were updated on Monday |
| [20:35:46] | ICM^: | on THIS (my desktop), my laptop has not been updated, which could explain why it doesn't exhibit the strange behavior |
| [20:38:47] | ICM^: | Not sure what I should do- maybe rolling back is the best solution ? |
| [20:39:33] | devinheitmueller: | ICM^: hard to say – if the database got upgraded then there's no going back... |
| [20:39:54] | ICM^: | hmmmm |
| [20:40:47] | devinheitmueller: | … others can correct me if I'm wrong on that one, but I thought that was the way the DB schema was setup... |
| [20:41:02] | ICM^: | I'm not sure how the DB schema is set up .. can the frontend be rolled back at all? |
| [20:42:42] | sphery: | if everything is running 0.24-fixes, the db schema hasn't changed |
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| [20:42:51] | sphery: | if you're running unstable/development, though, ... |
| [20:43:44] | ICM^: | the fact that my (not updated) laptop works indicates to me that i'm running 0.24-fixes only |
| [20:44:13] | ICM^: | holy s------ I just flipped to a channel and nothing but loud static |
| [20:44:25] | ICM^: | one that worked just a moment ago |
| [20:45:18] | wagnerrp: | westlock: mythtv 0.24 supports PXE boot just as well as it supports booting off a local disk |
| [20:45:28] | wagnerrp: | that is to say, it supports neither, at all |
| [20:45:55] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is not an OS or distro or anything that can manage your boot process |
| [20:45:59] | wagnerrp: | it is just an application |
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| [20:53:24] | ICM^: | very strange audio glitching |
| [20:54:16] | ICM^: | as far as i can tell, it only happens once i change the channel |
| [20:54:59] | ICM^: | if i select 'Watch TV' and don't change the channel, it's fine |
| [20:58:17] | wagnerrp: | ICM^: are you using ubuntu or mythbuntu? |
| [20:58:21] | ICM^: | ubuntu 10.10 |
| [20:58:34] | wagnerrp: | your problem is pulseaudio |
| [20:58:55] | wagnerrp: | when you change channels, you stop one instance of playback, and start another |
| [20:59:09] | ICM^: | hm. (my laptop is running crunchbang, which is debian-based) |
| [20:59:20] | ICM^: | is there any decent solution? |
| [20:59:21] | wagnerrp: | in that time, mythtv enables pulseaudio at the end of one playback instance, and then disables it again when playback starts back up |
| [20:59:51] | wagnerrp: | in that moment that pulseaudio is active, all sorts of audio from other applications that has been queued up comes pouring back out |
| [20:59:54] | ICM^: | it's not just doing the TSCCH when I change channels, it's doing it every 30 or so seconds while watching a program |
| [20:59:55] | wagnerrp: | resulting in noise |
| [21:00:28] | ICM^: | whoa. out of nowhere the audio just went to absolute static, TSSSSSCCCCCCCCCCHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| [21:00:59] | ICM^: | I have the scrollback since I started mythfrontend from the terminal, I do see 2011-08–30 17:00:02.377 PulseAudio Error: stream buffer under flow |
| [21:01:23] | wagnerrp: | are you actually having mythtv use pulseaudio, rather than ALSA? |
| [21:01:36] | ICM^: | where can I check? |
| [21:01:47] | wagnerrp: | your audio setup on your frontend |
| [21:02:19] | ICM^: | Audio Output device: PulseAudio:default |
| [21:02:32] | wagnerrp: | yeah, use ALSA instead |
| [21:02:34] | ICM^: | that's the only one in the dropdown |
| [21:02:59] | wagnerrp: | tell mythtv to scan for devices, it should disable pulse to do so and find the underlying ALSA interfaces |
| [21:03:00] | ICM^: | the next page has 'Mixer device: software', but I can change that to 'ALSA:default' |
| [21:03:57] | ICM^: | (how do I scan for devices? or should I just do that ^) |
| [21:04:41] | wagnerrp: | what version of mythtv are you running? |
| [21:05:01] | ICM^: | MythTV Version : v0.24.1-78-g8b9e5ce |
| [21:05:01] | ICM^: | MythTV Branch : fixes/0.24 |
| [21:05:07] | ICM^: | from mythfrontend --version |
| [21:05:22] | wagnerrp: | 0.24 should have some form of audio device scanner in the audio setup |
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| [21:05:32] | wagnerrp: | previous versions just had a statically populated list |
| [21:05:46] | ICM^: | How did I miss that... |
| [21:05:50] | ICM^: | ...big button... |
| [21:06:31] | ICM^: | So, now there are several ALSA items in the list |
| [21:07:24] | wagnerrp: | try ALSA:default |
| [21:07:40] | ICM^: | there actually isn't an ALSA:default in the list |
| [21:07:45] | ICM^: | there's ALSA:pulse |
| [21:07:56] | wagnerrp: | you dont want that |
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| [21:09:11] | ICM^: | I think what I might want is the ALSA:front:CARD=SB,DEV=0 |
| [21:09:20] | ICM^: | it says: HDA ATI SB, ALC889 Analog, Front Speakers |
| [21:09:29] | wagnerrp: | possible |
| [21:09:42] | wagnerrp: | that should be what 'default' is mapped to anyway |
| [21:09:51] | wagnerrp: | presuming there is a 'default' |
| [21:09:53] | ICM^: | any easy way to tell? I'm just usign analog audio plugged into the back of my computer |
| [21:09:59] | wagnerrp: | but being more specific rarely hurts things |
| [21:10:12] | ICM^: | there is no ALSA:default in the list unfortunately |
| [21:10:38] | wagnerrp: | it may simply not be set up, since your distro expects you to use pulse over top of it |
| [21:11:12] | ICM^: | it my also be ALSA:dmix:CARD=SB,DEV=0 |
| [21:11:33] | ICM^: | I'm assuming SB = South Bridge. There's another card in there that says 'GENERIC' but I'm pretty sure that's from the digital audio from my graphics card |
| [21:13:31] | ICM^: | I hear it at any rate using :front: |
| [21:13:41] | ICM^: | changed channels, no TSCCH'ing yet... I think it might be fixed |
| [21:14:18] | ICM^: | i don't want to speak too soon, but thanks wagnerrp :D |
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| [21:17:15] | wagnerrp: | pulseaudio is just an endless source of trouble for mythtv |
| [21:17:25] | ICM^: | i've heard bad things about it in general |
| [21:17:26] | wagnerrp: | if you can do without it, you are better off without it |
| [21:17:35] | ICM^: | seems to be working well now |
| [21:17:46] | wagnerrp: | and it brings nothing of use to the table for 99% of users |
| [21:17:53] | ICM^: | what exactly... is it? |
| [21:18:00] | wagnerrp: | its a sound server |
| [21:18:08] | ICM^: | how does it differ from ALSA? |
| [21:18:19] | wagnerrp: | ALSA actually supports hardware |
| [21:18:33] | wagnerrp: | pulseaudio does not support any hardware, it has to access ALSA to output audio |
| [21:18:46] | wagnerrp: | (except for things like bluetooth) |
| [21:19:09] | ICM^: | huh. |
| [21:19:30] | wagnerrp: | basically, think of it like an X server |
| [21:19:34] | shiggity: | .huh |
| [21:19:46] | wagnerrp: | applications connect to X, and tell it what to display |
| [21:20:03] | wagnerrp: | X allows multiple applications to do so, and pushes that information onto the graphics card |
| [21:20:41] | wagnerrp: | traditionally, linux audio has only supported a single application directly accessing the hardware at a time |
| [21:20:52] | wagnerrp: | sound servers popped up to work around that limitation |
| [21:21:03] | wagnerrp: | however that limitation hasnt existed for the entire time pulseaudio has existed |
| [21:21:23] | wagnerrp: | most sound cards support multiple simultaneous audio streams, that are mixed in software |
| [21:21:27] | wagnerrp: | erm... hardware |
| [21:21:44] | wagnerrp: | those cards that dont support that, ALSA has the DMIX interface that provides software mixing |
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| [21:22:45] | wagnerrp: | so pulseaudio's, and any other sound server's, primary reason for existing is no longer a valid reason |
| [21:22:56] | ICM^: | that's neat |
| [21:23:05] | wagnerrp: | there are a couple other things it provides |
| [21:23:21] | wagnerrp: | it can do network audio... but so can jack, esound, and other sound servers |
| [21:23:44] | wagnerrp: | it can dynamically redirect applications to other audio sinks... but so can jack, i dont know about the other servers |
| [21:23:54] | sphery: | and PulseAudio provides automatic conversion of a 5.1 or 7.1 or 8.1 channel audio card to a 2-channel audio device |
| [21:23:59] | wagnerrp: | it can handle per-application volume control... but so can jack |
| [21:24:06] | sphery: | (only supports stereo audio) |
| [21:24:30] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i cant believe thats true, i thought it was just our implementation that only does stereo |
| [21:24:54] | wagnerrp: | basically, everything pulseaudio can do, JACK can do, and do better |
| [21:25:05] | wagnerrp: | either the pulseaudio author didnt know of JACK, or didnt like JACK, i dont know |
| [21:25:32] | wagnerrp: | the only advantage pulseaudio does have over JACK is a fancy graphical interface |
| [21:25:44] | wagnerrp: | the one for jack is more crude and utilitarian |
| [21:26:11] | wagnerrp: | but thats because jack was designed for semi-professional use, recording studios, content creation, etc... |
| [21:26:19] | ICM^: | fascinating |
| [21:26:53] | sphery: | wagnerrp: whether it's us or Pulse, for mythtv users, it only supports stereo audio |
| [21:27:04] | sphery: | so no mythtv user should want to use it |
| [21:27:06] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [21:28:11] | wagnerrp: | speaking of jack, i should look into getting it set up again |
| [21:28:24] | wagnerrp: | i was experimenting with it on my dev box a while back |
| [21:28:45] | wagnerrp: | pumping audio to my windows desktop, rather than having to daisy chain audio from the dev box |
| [21:28:55] | sphery: | I keep saying I'm going to, but I only have stereo speakers and direct ALSA has been working fine, so... |
| [21:29:18] | sphery: | really, for me it would be most interesting for non-mythtv things, though |
| [21:30:25] | wagnerrp: | i could see JACK being interesting for mythmusic |
| [21:31:19] | wagnerrp: | allow it to connect to other frontends, and put them in a 'slave mode' |
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| [21:31:35] | wagnerrp: | one frontend controls playback, and pushes it out to the other systems over jack |
| [21:31:44] | wagnerrp: | let jack maintain synchronization |
| [21:32:12] | wagnerrp: | (being intended for audio recording and studio playback, its very good at low latency use) |
| [21:36:15] | sphery: | yeah, I first heard of it in an article about low-latency audio in GNU/Linux way back when... (late '90s?) |
| [21:42:40] | devinheitmueller: | synchronization is a PITA under Linux in particular since the drivers don't do any sort of timestamping. |
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| [21:43:37] | sphery: | wagnerrp: heh: http://www.reghardware.com/2011/08/30/intel_a . . . benchmarked/ , but note how there's no comparison to the old ION GPU |
| [21:45:10] | wagnerrp: | sphery: notice that theyre using five and six year old benchmarks on it? |
| [21:46:24] | sphery: | hehe, even better |
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| [21:46:50] | sphery: | then again, when I ran MythTV 0.24 in 2006, my old Athlon XP did fine with it |
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| [21:58:33] | wagnerrp: | sphery: apparently they abandoned their own graphics architecture for the PowerVR stuff in the old GMA500 |
| [21:58:57] | wagnerrp: | so on the plus side, they may get VAAPI support |
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| [22:10:34] | wagnerrp: | bah, he just left |
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| [22:15:37] | sphery: | wagnerrp: some of the rest of us are still interested in your reply |
| [22:15:49] | sphery: | (assuming it was a follow on to the synch thing) |
| [22:16:27] | wagnerrp: | no, user on mythtv-talk asking about support for 'ultra-fast teletext' |
| [22:16:39] | wagnerrp: | as far as i can tell, its just a marketing term for pinnacle hardware |
| [22:16:52] | wagnerrp: | i cant find that term being used outside of their lineup |
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| [22:19:44] | wagnerrp: | woo! |
| [22:20:41] | sphery: | hehe |
| [22:20:42] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: you rang? |
| [22:21:02] | wagnerrp: | <wagnerrp> no, user on mythtv-talk asking about support for 'ultra-fast teletext' |
| [22:21:02] | wagnerrp: | <wagnerrp> as far as i can tell, its just a marketing term for pinnacle hardware |
| [22:21:24] | wagnerrp: | wondering if you know what hes talking about |
| [22:21:33] | devinheitmueller: | Beats the heck out of me. |
| [22:21:39] | wagnerrp: | heh |
| [22:22:11] | devinheitmueller: | +1 for Hauppauge providing a link to the old hdpvr firmware, and agreeing to update their support site about the known issue. |
| [22:23:04] | devinheitmueller: | …. beats the hell out of random users circulating a .exe with the old driver.... |
| [22:23:05] | wagnerrp: | http://www.hauppauge.eu/boutique/fiche_produi . . . fr&num=0 |
| [22:23:29] | wagnerrp: | seventh bullet from the top |
| [22:23:36] | devinheitmueller: | I see it. |
| [22:24:00] | wagnerrp: | user claims it has something to do with not waiting for the line counter |
| [22:24:08] | devinheitmueller: | I think perhaps it's just emphasizing that the teletext screen updating isn't garbage slow like it can be on some STBs. |
| [22:24:37] | wagnerrp: | so... its marketing speak for a player that doesnt suck? |
| [22:25:00] | devinheitmueller: | Yeah, I don't know. The extent to which I've done teletext work was adding support to the em28xx driver for it. But that was pretty much writing the code and then running MTT to see if teletext pages show up. |
| [22:25:04] | devinheitmueller: | I suspect so. |
| [22:25:15] | wagnerrp: | well, good enough answer for me |
| [22:25:16] | wagnerrp: | thanks |
| [22:25:28] | devinheitmueller: | Don't take it as authoritative – just my best guess... |
| [22:25:46] | wagnerrp: | well the fact that youve never heard of it, and neither has google |
| [22:25:56] | wagnerrp: | its a good guess there is no such thing |
| [22:27:02] | AndyCap: | ultra-fast teletext isn't hard. |
| [22:27:16] | AndyCap: | just have enough ram to cache all the pages. |
| [22:27:27] | wagnerrp: | but is it actually anything? |
| [22:28:29] | AndyCap: | depends what you mean by being anything. actually caching the pages instead of waiting for page 485 to show up in the broadcast is very useful |
| [22:29:24] | wagnerrp: | but the pages are broadcast right along side the video they go with, right? |
| [22:29:32] | AndyCap: | not really |
| [22:29:42] | wagnerrp: | its not like you could have the teletext broadcast 20 minutes before the video is it? |
| [22:29:53] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: teletext can provide completely arbitrary content – like the current BBC news feed. |
| [22:29:55] | AndyCap: | http://nrk.no/tekst-tv/100/ |
| [22:30:05] | AndyCap: | it's like a primitive gopher. :P |
| [22:30:47] | AndyCap: | so in the early implementation, up to 900 (1000?) pages of text and blocky graphics. |
| [22:30:58] | wagnerrp: | oh, so this is something completely different from close captioning |
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| [22:31:13] | wagnerrp: | do we even support that at all? |
| [22:31:26] | AndyCap: | but a few pages could contain stuff relevant to the actual program, like closed captioning |
| [22:31:44] | devinheitmueller: | wagnerrp: there is a teletext page commonly used for subtitles (888), but it does much more than that. |
| [22:32:06] | AndyCap: | and the closed caption page would be broadcast more often than the others |
| [22:32:47] | wagnerrp: | ok, when he was talking page count, i figured that was just some mechanism for indexing the CC lines to properly sync them with the video |
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| [22:34:55] | AndyCap: | Oh my. learn something new every day. It actually supports pages 100 through 8FF |
| [22:35:21] | wagnerrp: | AndyCap: can you access these pages with mythtv at all? |
| [22:35:27] | AndyCap: | but pages with hex aren't used since no remotes have it. heh |
| [22:36:24] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: never looked into it. I assumed that it wouldn't be available in myth since it is a little us centric |
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| [22:41:45] | AndyCap: | and iirc in DVB the teletext data is carried in a separate PID |
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| [23:18:43] | wagnerrp: | sphery: would it be worthwhile to spit out the whole environment when logging in debug mode? |
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| [23:20:05] | sphery: | could, but some users might see it as a potential leak of info they don't want output |
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| [23:20:16] | wagnerrp: | i was thinking about that |
| [23:20:29] | wagnerrp: | but you would get usernames and IPs |
| [23:20:35] | wagnerrp: | its not like anyone would store passwords in there |
| [23:21:09] | wagnerrp: | and it would shed some light on this email from David Watkins |
| [23:21:14] | wagnerrp: | -users list |
| [23:21:49] | wagnerrp: | although to be honest, he could just change the binary name in the init script to 'env' |
| [23:21:59] | wagnerrp: | so it would spit out the environment and quit |
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| [23:24:14] | sphery: | that's actually because he already had a value for that setting, so the locale default doesn't come into play |
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